balance

[ruby pond]

can anyone tell me what spell this is?

[livid jay]

trinket

[ruby pond]

oh LOL thx

i was losing my mind, just dropped it

[red mantle]

There's no way

[tough bobcat]

There's a way. We had ppl doing about the same dmg on tangles as our tanks. Some of them did the same dmg overall in 20 wipes as the guy that had to leave after about 8 wipes

[lofty depot]

did u remind them to kill the tangles

maybe they didnt hear u the first itme

[pale swan]

anyone know a bug in Eco 2nd boss with the spears ? we got like 8 stacks in 3 sec on 17s

[lofty depot]

gotta do the tech

[pale swan]

i did and we got 8 stacks in 2 secs

[lofty depot]

ven diagram and walk out of ur circle into theirs

[pale swan]

it was insane

[lofty depot]

hmm

maybe they fix tech

[pale swan]

it was even without the tech

you just get insane stacks in 2 sec

it's a bug or something

8 stacks in 2-3 sec

not doable

[scenic mist]

ye

stacks came every .5 second instead of 5 sec

[pale swan]

[scenic mist]

tech didnt work either

[craggy sonnet]

doesnt work anymore

[lofty depot]

rekt

[drifting nova]

what in the multi cent company is this

[round oracle]

have to face them

[vale latch]

lily+para or para+ritual forge for m+?

[lofty depot]

lily

[drifting nova]

so we've gotten to the terrorism part of the season it seems

[delicate perch]

Your fault for doing a minigame

Log off keystones

[teal sphinx]

log into d4

[delicate perch]

Seasons already over they cooked too hard with Druid

[teal sphinx]

how can you cook too hard when pulv is still good

[delicate perch]

No it’s just too good

Season journey and lillith done that’s enough content

[obsidian jetty]

too good (clearing same pit as spiritborn, who cleared 150 on release)

[delicate perch]

Spirit born cranking too but the entry to clear the season content was insanely low for Druid

Fun for a few days though

[scenic mist]

got fixed

[craggy sonnet]

i love how they brick and fix stuff like this without any mention whatsoever

[scenic mist]

they have no budget

poor guys

we pay sub in gold

16M javelin hit is kinda crazy

[craggy sonnet]

we got crushed by this earlier today in a 12 as well

first i just thought you somehow get double stacks now when moving in the other spear radius

[scenic mist]

lmao ye we thought the same

so round 2 nobody moved

i was the lock in the screenshot above
sent every defensive + pot + big healthstone

nothing could be done tho

[craggy sonnet]

did you already run another eco?

or just read the wowhead post

wanna know if they fixed the moving into other javelins radius

[covert burrow]

Hey guys, is anyone online for/up for a bit of logs analysis? I've rerolled to balance maining this tier as a raidlead in my guild, I've noticed my output is certainly lower than both the other druid and the majority of my team and I would like to improve my performance. I've read the guides and tried implementing as much as possible but I've only noted minor improvement. Would anyone be willing to lend me a hand please?

[craggy sonnet]

you can just post it and usually people take a look.
and if you get @lofty depot to rip through your stuff its gonna be somewhat thorough as well and maybe hurt a little

[covert burrow]

Thank you for the info, can't get better if people are holding back on improvements, as long as it's constructive and informative then I'll happily take on all the support I can get

[scenic mist]

this

[lofty depot]

👀

[scenic mist]

cast more

plan your movement

ditch haste for raid

[potent cargo]

swap to bm hunter

[lofty depot]

waiting on lolg

waiting on jets to score

these are dire times

[scenic mist]

log will come jets wont

[lofty depot]

interception 😛

[covert burrow]

So I'm currently progressing Araz, I've taken the logs of todays progression and got our best 5 pulls (i'm trying to change cooldown placement for getting pillars down) but feel free to request anything else you would like to see. I don't have many kills as balance as I'm having to cover as resto

[lofty depot]

oof ball hit ground

[covert burrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RXVtx4kqfNA1BTZr?boss=3132&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&modal=fight-selection&fight=8.14.15.17.20.21&cutoff=3

[lofty depot]

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED 4 MORE POINTS

[scenic mist]

mmmh going full st build for araz

bold choice

[lofty depot]

ok jsut as a precaution... u do no damage on araz for most of the fight cuz u hold cds for amp

[covert burrow]

Done but hectic due to fight needs like dodge patterns in intermission

[lofty depot]

the lines are pretty easy

[scenic mist]

this isnt the right opener

[lofty depot]

yea ur build kinda sus

spamming starfall, but no AK is definately a choice

[scenic mist]

(right one is in pins)

[covert burrow]

I'm not sure I fully understand it, took it primarily from highest performers on single target fights

[lofty depot]

well araz isnt a st fight

[covert burrow]

Sorry, I'm not fully familiar with acronyms, what is AK?

[lofty depot]

astral kindling

its the talent under twin moons, it adds time to ur dots

[scenic mist]

this is the opener you're looking for

[covert burrow]

Ahhh nice, thank you

[lofty depot]

which right

u should be looking at talents per fight

not "i think i should play st"

cuz its just wrong

[covert burrow]

What if compositionally my team can provide more than enough multi target damage, is it still not worth me going full ST?

[lofty depot]

u seem to either be forgetting half these pulls or idk doing something

[craggy sonnet]

actually the correct choice if you push pre 2nd intermission

[lofty depot]

like some of them are sending double ca

and some arnt

[scenic mist]

it is but then how do you explain pressing starfall that much ?

[lofty depot]

hes progging so not a choice

(i was gonna try it this coming week :P)

[craggy sonnet]

if you want to contribute at all in the intermission phase, then you play aetherial kindling

[covert burrow]

free procs of starfall or starsurge, gain more value because starfall costs more ap

[lofty depot]

well yea that implies u dont want ot press starfall during intermission

[craggy sonnet]

thats why i put the glorpy guy

[covert burrow]

That and having to position to do knocks so cannot face the mobs

[covert burrow]

definitely cannot afford to press starfall during intermission, I do hold convoke for it however

[scenic mist]

where did you get this idea of playing cosmos ?

[lofty depot]

i mean u should only be doing like 2-3 knocks

[lofty depot]

what do u mena, u cant afford to press starfall during intermissions

[covert burrow]

That's why I'm here for support lol

[craggy sonnet]

i think these are just last season talents?

[covert burrow]

Yeah, I do 4 knocks over the entire fight

[craggy sonnet]

not playing astronomical impact either

[scenic mist]

this would be a typical st build

[lofty depot]

i mean its w.e. jsut 1 more than usual

why cant u afford to press starfall
please explain

[scenic mist]

this is your build

[covert burrow]

Pillars don't die at the correct rate if I'm not full single targetting one
intermission only

[craggy sonnet]

then assign your dps differently?

[lofty depot]

that means u can assign people differently

where 1 is short u can also have multiple range move

[vital hound]

[craggy sonnet]

you can also freely swap your target to wrath (not that you are doing anything more than beans dmg)

[lofty depot]

which guide did u read

<@&114146878353833984>

loser

[delicate perch]

I'm rich login

[vital hound]

[covert burrow]

I can't remember if it was wowhead or icyviens or took a combo of both

[craggy sonnet]

i thought you just sprinkled some different screenshots in between your log rage

[lofty depot]

ok, so read dreamgrove.gg

[covert burrow]

lol nah, I'm not that guy

[lofty depot]

but yea ur opener is the old version

[craggy sonnet]

meant arctic

[covert burrow]

Ahhhh, that would be part of the reason I can't seem to get above green logs

[lofty depot]

also curious u said ur comp does damage to adds

yet ur dotting them

[craggy sonnet]

nah, its not that big

[covert burrow]

Trying different things over the night

[lofty depot]

well i can look into ur damage on different

[vital hound]

is this forgeweaver

[lofty depot]

u dont need to moonfire them

[vital hound]

we're discussing

[lofty depot]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[vital hound]

ignore the adds

st boss

log off and catch up on a book between cds

[lofty depot]

riperino

thats crazy

[craggy sonnet]

you legit gonna do absolute shit dps if you play AK for intermission and then st boss

[vital hound]

🗑️

[lofty depot]

but yea legit, ur dotting in intermission so often

cuz u dont have kindling

[covert burrow]

Tank died and I had to take the mob outside in the burn phase

[lofty depot]

u should be looking up talents before hand not cooking

[craggy sonnet]

i havent looked particularly how far you've gotten in these araz pulls

but its useless to look at your log number

[lofty depot]

what server are u

[covert burrow]

Silvermoon

[craggy sonnet]

if you didnt reach the dmg amp

or if you are sending in intermission and dont have for amp

[covert burrow]

We've just started to see the second intermission today

[lofty depot]

thats purple not green

meh plexus blue

[covert burrow]

Those are my healing logs

[vital hound]

plexus is rng

log

[craggy sonnet]

healer log

donkey

[covert burrow]

lol

[vital hound]

plexus is literally just kill timer rng

[lofty depot]

hmm

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

THERES A BLUE ONE AT THE BOTTOM

DONKEY

[craggy sonnet]

277K HEALING

DONKEY

[lofty depot]

YEA

[vital hound]

🫘

[lofty depot]

HES BLASTING

[craggy sonnet]

????

[lofty depot]

so did u start at healer or

do they craft 1h?

cuz thats sseems like a choice as well

[covert burrow]

Can't say for certain, I just wanted something versatile until I was able to get the soulbinder weapon on myth

[lofty depot]

why havent we crafted bracers week 500?

[lofty depot]

well that staff is beans for boomkin in raid

[covert burrow]

Because they are myth track with BiS secondaries

[lofty depot]

but u craft staff for crest effenciency

[lofty depot]

theyre not

and "bis" secondaries at 707 isnt bis

so its bad

ur missing an embell

[covert burrow]

Moonkin is haste>mast>crit>vers?

[vital hound]

no

[lofty depot]

which u also didnt craft here

[lofty depot]

well 1. its never haste > mastery

[covert burrow]

yes, was 14 crests short to craft it today

[vital hound]

go read dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

2. its not mastery > haste > v> c either

[covert burrow]

Sorry, thinking about resto stats lol

[lofty depot]

need to go change that and sim it as well

ok so uhh

plexus

thats a lot of fun global

u know u dont need to bear form then roar right

u can just press roar

[covert burrow]

That bear would likely be a defensive one based on the missing globals before it

[covert burrow]

Taking a read through it now

[lofty depot]

u dont trees outside of eclipse

ur wasting globals inside the buff

ur doing this a lot

ur slammign ur asp at the end of eclipse

seems like ur just using for fun

u dont need to spend asp

its ur ability to move effectively

[covert burrow]

What is "this" or the problem with it?

[lofty depot]

overrrrrrr

[lofty depot]

sending a surge at the end of eclipse

ur spending to 0

like always

[covert burrow]

I think I was doing that trying to focus on maintaining this

[lofty depot]

when u should be floating asp

[lofty depot]

well in most of those cases u ahve starlord at 3 stacks

generally speaking ur starlord is 3 stacks throughout ur eclipse

because u send 3 surges at the start

then the buff lasts til ur eclipse ends

then u dump again at the start of ur eclipse

and repeat

[covert burrow]

So the issue I sometmes have is overcapping AP when using starfire to get into eclipse so I spend and it messes with my starlod

[scenic mist]

should look like this

[lofty depot]

the picutre i sent

u arent capped

its ok to send 1 at the end

but there was multiple times u were sending more than 1

obviously plexus has timings ur running

but the starlords when theyre good, look fine

ur sending sending asp at bad times

this both effects ur ability to move

and ability to do damage inside ur cd timings

[covert burrow]

So I should only really be sending asp when entering an eclipse to maintain starlord, about to overcap while in an eclipse or are required to move

If I'm required to move while not in an eclipse, do I still hold asp?

[lofty depot]

yes

[lofty depot]

uhh spending asp outside of eclipse is bannable

ur also just playing supper conservative

[craggy sonnet]

usually if you are caught outside of eclipse, you refresh sunfire or something

and get mad

[lofty depot]

like miss be casting bearform that much

[covert burrow]

Lol, loving the sound of that

[scenic mist]

the core of the boomie gameplay is to not get caught in this situation

use wildcharge

use dreamstate to enter quickly in eclipse

[covert burrow]

Right, I think i'm regularly finding myself in this situating which is causing some big issues for me

[covert burrow]

I'm not gonna lie bro, I've got no idea what that is

double wrath?

[lofty depot]

learnign the fights and ultimately learning the class is all part of that

[snow elm]

did they fix the ecodome 2nd boss spear thing where you just stay at one stack?

[scenic mist]

talent that gives you two lightspeed casts after leaving an eclipse

[craggy sonnet]

you can also spend somewhat more aggressively early in an eclipse to get value out of "Balance of All Things" but make sure you are not fricking yourself for upcoming movement or are not gonna be able to build your starlord once it drops

[lofty depot]

ye

[snow elm]

:[ how am i supposedd to stay alive now

[scenic mist]

kill the spear ?

[craggy sonnet]

so they did fix that

[snow elm]

no way

[craggy sonnet]

unlucky

[covert burrow]

Right, so like the others are mentioning it's learning where exactly is a good place to drop asp circumstantially in a fight?

[scenic mist]

100% arctic says they fixwed cause we said it earlier btw

[covert burrow]

Thank you for the clarification!!

[lofty depot]

yes

most of it is prepping for movement / mechanics

[covert burrow]

So its worth overcapping to get into an eclipse? (well its better to not ever be in that situation in the first place lol)

[lofty depot]

knowing when u cna dump and have time to spam wraths

[lofty depot]

i didnt say that

[scenic mist]

btw @covert burrow this is approx 15k too much haste

[lofty depot]

i said u can press a surge at the end of eclipse if ur gonna over cap

[covert burrow]

Thank you! What are the other pain points for my stat weights?

[lofty depot]

which is gonna be another fun learning problem

[craggy sonnet]

you do not want to overcap almost ever

[lofty depot]

because learnign with 1s wrath and 1.5s starfire is far different than 1.5 wrath and 2s starfire

[covert burrow]

Ah yes, I remember you mentioning that I press 2 regularly which is big bad

[scenic mist]

haste in kotg is the big nono
the rest you just sim (the sim will also tell you to get rid of haste)

[lofty depot]

that means ever

[covert burrow]

That's like the bottom of the APL however so I thought maybe other things trumped it

[lofty depot]

well if u think about it thats what ur doing the most

is the bottom of the apl

[covert burrow]

Thank you, I'll probably change the stat weights of the neck but will consult the sims first to be sure

[scenic mist]

neck, karesh ring, weapon

[covert burrow]

Definitely valid lol, that's why I'm here chatting to y'all as I could clearly use the help highlighting the key things to think about while in an encounter

[covert burrow]

Thank you for the advice

[lofty depot]

ur also not generating enough asp

[covert burrow]

Is there any clear way to find out what "enough" is?

[lofty depot]

without looking at r1 log then looking at urs

no

[scenic mist]

comparing yourself to other logs

[lofty depot]

but its just a feely thing

[covert burrow]

Also are these coming from wowanalyser?

[lofty depot]

ye

u casted 9 more wraths than me, and ur fight lasted 2 more minutes

[somber bear]

pretty off topic question but, today when i logged in one of my key binds just stopped working, can't even rebind it to something else, Alt Q. Has this ever happened to anyone else?

[lofty depot]

hm

[covert burrow]

Your burst windows are miles ahead of mine lol

[covert burrow]

That is definitely pretty shit lol, so I'm falling behind on the ABC?

[lofty depot]

well ur doing the burst wrong

so it will be higher

[lofty depot]

yea

[covert burrow]

Definitely, I'll practice what you sent over on the dummies

[lofty depot]

like right thats 300 asp ur missing

thats 9~ surges

which sureeeeeeeeeeee like all our damage is in cds

its still just missing casts

[scenic mist]

not when you butcher the cd window tho

[covert burrow]

I'll definitely be keeping a closer eye on the filler for sure from here on

those excessive bear forms probably play an integral part of it

[lofty depot]

meh

like 80% of our damage is inside ca

but ur talking about adding damage

miss me ever pressing bear 8 times in 7 minutes

[scenic mist]

1 bear per fight on average isnt excessive

[lofty depot]

healer getting reported

[lofty depot]

8 might be

[covert burrow]

It fluctuates on prog especially if a healer dies

[scenic mist]

this 8 bear pull surely is the anomaly

[lofty depot]

well it was on plexus

[scenic mist]

[covert burrow]

I'll usually always bear when running to lessen the requirement for the healers

Running in intermission that is

[scenic mist]

when you could run as a cat

https://tenor.com/view/fast-car-gif-22098603

[covert burrow]

With reclear team I run the risk of eating shit and dying lol

[lofty depot]

Tell at them to play better

[scenic mist]

tell your holy paladin to play faith and beacon you

or you'll bench them

[lofty depot]

True

[scenic mist]

fuckers playing virtue

i cant

[covert burrow]

lol

[lofty depot]

Like I'm not in raid needing eeler

[scenic mist]

ikr

[lofty depot]

I mean it is a talk to hpal problem

They think ur tanking

If they beacon u, they r1

If they're gamer

[covert burrow]

Is that just a general rule for balance druids?

[scenic mist]

just banter
this tier virtue is very strong, it's a hard ask for the holy to play faith
but generally speaking boomkin is the most squichy spec in the game

[karmic root]

For KOTG raid build, are we sending CA when only at 2 charges? I've read the prio, just not really understanding boomy in raid very well.

[scenic mist]

2-1-2-1

pull 2min 4min 6min

[covert burrow]

Ah nice lol, Well thank you all for all of the support, I have a lot to review and work on!

[lofty depot]

Also depends on fight

And kill time

[scenic mist]

no WAY

kill tome

is this death note v2 ?

[lofty depot]

Kill ashitaka

W.e that shit means

Probably French for monkey

[scenic mist]

noway you dont know what death note is

[lofty depot]

I don't watch anime

[scenic mist]

neither does my mum

she still knows who Goku is

i guess

[scenic mist]

saying this as a high ground when it's actually a self report, somehow

[craggy sonnet]

real?

[scenic mist]

i'd call her to ask but it's 4.33 am

might not get the answer i'm looking for

[lofty depot]

goku is my childhood so i know it

just like aang and spongebob

[scenic mist]

ang be that bald guy ?

[lofty depot]

yea with the arrow

[scenic mist]

that's oliver queen tho

[lofty depot]

no he has a bow

[scenic mist]

it checks out

my bad

[potent cargo]

idk why he use a bow

why not ar15

[scenic mist]

didnt come in green

[stone ledge]

finally in the 100m surge club

[lofty depot]

gj buddy

[craggy sonnet]

im so undergeared its not even funny

[cursive ridge]

does our Starfire and Starfall do damage to the void emissary?

[craggy sonnet]

uhh, the affix?

[cursive ridge]

yah

[craggy sonnet]

i would think so?

[cursive ridge]

it just doesnt seem like it does, hard to tell, but if u think so then that would make sense to me too

[stone ledge]

You want to hard swap to it

Just cleave the other mobs with the starfire

[craggy sonnet]

i definitely do not want to do that tho :3

[lofty depot]

i will not hard swap to them

i also wont be doing keys under 12

[stone ledge]

People not swapping to it are why they are still doing 10’s haha

[lofty depot]

@craggy sonnet whats the cyclone bind

[delicate perch]

well people doing 12s and above don't need to deal with it

[silk shard]

is there a mastery DR?

[lofty depot]

theres an everything dr

u dont think about it, the robot will tell u what gear to wear

[silk shard]

got it

[dapper wing]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QM6VGYThjdBZ9PJ3?fight=26
Anything like big (or small) that jumps out at anyone that looks over this. Anything that I'm doing wrong (The logs are of the opposite platform so p2 is fucked log wise)

[lofty depot]

1. TELL YOUR RAID LEADER TO SEEK HELP

make this rat do the first one

[dapper wing]

lol

[lofty depot]

also, tell gecko i said hi

[dapper wing]

will do

[lofty depot]

THERSE NO SHOT

they make u do 1 and 3

[dapper wing]

yep

1 and 3

[lofty depot]

WHEN U HAVE 2 SHAMANS

[dapper wing]

I'm utility bitch

I get 1 phase where I don't press a single utility button outside of innervate and that's damage amp

[lofty depot]

huh

i mean idk what u need wind ruhs for during amp but sure

its criminal the healer isnt pressing it at 0:15

[dapper wing]

we don't, that's why I'm not pressing anything

So outside of raid leader seeking help and changing mrt
Utilize the master shapeshifter talent

[lofty depot]

do u not have a logger on ur platform

should fix that

[dapper wing]

nope. Both of our loggers are on the other side. I'm going to personal log tomorrow

[lofty depot]

thats toxic

[dapper wing]

We didn't know it was bugged till today (Or atleast I didn't)

[lofty depot]

its not "bugged" its a range thing

happens on a lot of platform bosses

[dapper wing]

yeah happened on rasza too

[lofty depot]

yessem

theres a lot of like little gaps

its just doding lines i assume

[dapper wing]

or having to 180 or spirits

[lofty depot]

180 👀

[dapper wing]

okay not 180, turn like 90 and not being able to hit

[lofty depot]

seems like ur not wild charging the move

[dapper wing]

could just position better

sometimes do, sometimes don't, will do more tomorrow

[lofty depot]

are u bear forming claws

[dapper wing]

only the one after damage amp unless I'm already low

[lofty depot]

hm

[livid jay]

wait till you find out about the newest utility we discovered yesterday

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/d020e57d-e45c-4f23-b904-d0b0fbefba4f

[timber raft]

ive come around to elune

spamming the fury of elune is pretty nice

[mild iron]

Can I play orbital strike with signet of the priory flame?

[jaunty blaze]

You can yeah but why would you

[mild iron]

Because trinket is 2 mjn

[round field]

You can if you want to

But its bad

[jaunty blaze]

Just because it lines up better doesn't make it better

[mild iron]

Ok

[jaunty blaze]

But you can Sim and find out

[obsidian jetty]

whirling can just be held for 2m, that's why whirling is just better

super flexible

the orbit beam is fun tho

[mild iron]

I dont know why but the cool downs dont line up despite both being 2m

[delicate perch]

what cooldown is 2 minutes

[mild iron]

Priory signet

[delicate perch]

ya, but what balance druid cooldown is 2 minutes

[maiden pasture]

Convoke

Orbital strike

[delicate perch]

[mild iron]

Incarn when specced into orbital strike should be 2m

But when I use it

Always ends up being shorter

[delicate perch]

are you using it as keeper for some reason

[mild iron]

Keeper of the grove? Yea

[delicate perch]

your first cast will have a 1:45 so you either hold and insta send when it's back or you'll perma run into that issue

but also just don't use bozo trinkets and wait with whirling if needed

[mild iron]

Am I supposed to play lunar hero?

[delicate perch]

for keys or raid?

keys you can play w/e but I don't think OS is better

unless you're doing some meme pulls around it

[mild iron]

I was playing treant in both

[delicate perch]

ya you play trees in raid, but OS in m+ sounds kinda cursed

whirling you can send one charge then wait ages and use it on a good pull etc

[mild iron]

Are you saying the signet is bad?

[delicate perch]

it's not bad but you could get lily which is a better cd for whirling

a 2m trinket with 1:30 cds

[sudden flame]

[mild iron]

I have just come back to this season and the first two trinkets I got were signet and mage loom

[pliant trellis]

do you know if ECODOM is fix ?

[delicate perch]

it is

did some earlier

[pliant trellis]

thanks !

[maiden pasture]

What in the world is mage loom

[delicate perch]

you heard em

[sweet igloo]

Antenna probably lol

[lofty depot]

Well 2m trinkets in m+ aren't very fun to play around

Lily is fine

[odd osprey]

anyone know why the eclipse system is named in such a weird way?

was comparing among all the diff language versions and most of em use the "eclipse (solar/lunar)" format

while nobody calls it that way - it's solar eclipse and lunar eclipse

and somehow the only two languages that adopted this right format are russian and chinese

am i communist now

Taiwanese one is even weirder, they made a whole new name to call eclipse

[maiden pasture]

its just wow tooltip shenanigans does it really matter

half of them dont even say what the spells actually do

[odd osprey]

nah but i'm wondering why they're not changing the name / translation

[maiden pasture]

probably just different teams working on doing the wording for different languages

[vale pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/media-iv-text.gif

[odd osprey]

maybe there's a weird guideline

idk

[vale pebble]

its because

thats what its called

in different languages?

[odd osprey]

yeah, have fun entering eclipse (lunar)

it's not even space efficient

nor it's a state of a single spell

eclipse, solar eclipse, lunar eclipse all got diff spellid

its a joke

[fossil hemlock]

Of all the things to get riled up over in this game, this is one of the weirder ones

[maiden pasture]

some random design guy decided in the english they will both be called eclipse with brackets, some random design guy decided in a different language it would be called solar eclipse / lunar eclipse

[vale pebble]

the

[maiden pasture]

its not that deep

[vale pebble]

english one

has both of them btw

[odd osprey]

at least gamz didnt sleep in class

[odd osprey]

[fossil hemlock]

They're interchangeable

[vale pebble]

one is

[fossil hemlock]

Don't think too much about it

[vale pebble]

a title

one is an adjective to the eclipse

[odd osprey]

should be standardized imo but yeah what am I

[fossil hemlock]

I mean it's just language

Language is weird

[vale pebble]

the eclipse

which eclipse

the solar eclipse

[odd osprey]

it's worse in my language cause it's called "Solar and Lunar Eclipse (Sun)"

like what was the guy drinking

[fossil hemlock]

🤖

[vale pebble]

so

[fossil hemlock]

Imagine thinking blizz have actual people assigned to do translations

[vale pebble]

why did u have a crashout over this

[odd osprey]

i should be working for them...

[fossil hemlock]

They wouldn't pay you for it

[odd osprey]

had a usual mental breakdown translating compendium

[fossil hemlock]

It's a waste of money when people are "satisfied" with it

[odd osprey]

it's done btw

yeah just like all the other fields i find them fun

[pallid bay]

bro asks about a translation and entire chat gets riled up on why he cares

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

[jade flume]

If theres solar and lunar eclipse

When are we getting terrar eclipse

[maiden pasture]

Don't add more eclipses

Remove them all

[drifting nova]

fun fact, the plural of wrath isnt even wrath

so they've done it wrong there

[sudden flame]

now are we gonna talk how the solar eclipse should be the lunar eclipse icon and lunar eclipse should be the solar eclipse icon

lunar eclipse moon gets more orange/red solar eclipse moon gets darker fix the game blizzard

[jade flume]

How can there even be a lunar eclipse though

Moon is tiny and sun is big

Its gotta be made up

[sudden flame]

you mean solar eclipse smh

[jade flume]

Both are made up

[sudden flame]

boomkin mains can't get it right blizzard devs can't get it right

its truly over

[jade flume]

Im resto main smh my h

Part time bamkin

[sudden flame]

rank one nexus king boomkin

[jade flume]

All bamkins already quiteded

[royal zenith]

there's zero incentive to play this class

[leaden birch]

I play this class because my guild needs mark and I don't want to learn feral

[jade flume]

Is lunar eclipse the one where sun is between earth and moon

[jade flume]

Not worth to learn feral anyways

[loud kettle]

If sun is between moon and earth we are very dead

[sudden flame]

i hate you

[jade flume]

Hate god not me

[drifting nova]

you can zoom into the moon

cant zoom into the sun

moon bigger

[leaden birch]

[dire osprey]

damn i wonder what kind of important and meaningful discussion is going on today.. oh..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[dire osprey]

what about sonar eclipse

[jade flume]

Not sure, i dont know any sons

[onyx basin]

no, that's called the apocolypse

[lilac wadi]

is there an aura, like this one (Starfire Alerter: https://wago.io/rrtAyRQjF) that works with lunar eclipse too? Can't find it

[pallid bay]

there's an unorthodox version in my pack wago.io/OiBalance

[lucid olive]

Nice ad

[coarse grove]

I think Kyoraku was a plant

[pseudo merlin]

patreon link?

[pallid bay]

banned from patreon

[coarse grove]

yah, gotta use Oi's OF link instead

[pseudo merlin]

[leaden birch]

if I get mereldar's toll again this week

I'm rerolling

[drifting nova]

wdym its a great trink

got it yday

[leaden birch]

pls no

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-school-school-bell-ringing-the-bell-gif-22150054

[drifting nova]

holy shitballs keys are doomed

[jade flume]

In what way

[round field]

i think ur the problem

[drifting nova]

I JUST WANT VAULT

[round field]

ur a pig

do ur own key

[drifting nova]

fuck that noise

tanks dont exist

[uncut roost]

Have you tried healing or tanking

[jade flume]

I get declined all the time too ngl

[drifting nova]

the fuck they wanna join someone elses key

[round field]

tank it urself

[jade flume]

Its rough out there

[drifting nova]

when they cna do their own

[leaden birch]

i surprisingly don't get declined that often on my boomkin

[drifting nova]

1decline and like 100delists, and that 1 decline was a +3 10 like

it's not like I havnet done the eky

[round field]

id decline you too kekkers dw

[drifting nova]

seasons dog

[leaden birch]

aren't yall like giga io

[round field]

no?

[uncut roost]

[drifting nova]

I've +3 on all 10 keys aside from 1

[round field]

i do like

12s

[drifting nova]

lke the fuck more do I need

[round field]

cause they give crests

[jade flume]

Hell nah, keys are demon

[drifting nova]

only here for 4 10keys for vault thats it

[jade flume]

I havent even done all 10s i think

[drifting nova]

spending an hour in this hellhole simulator

[leaden birch]

I installed this at the start of the season

[drifting nova]

logging off, uninstalling, bad season

hopping on any other game

[wise hare]

see you tomorrow

[round oracle]

got like 95% accept rate as boomie to anything

[drifting nova]

rather bash my head into ultimate team for 6hours

atleast I'd get into games

[uncut roost]

Silksong or Hades 2!?

[jade flume]

I got like 10% accept rate ggs

[drifting nova]

was thinking bout getting hades, played a little of the first on gamepass but idk

only 25

[jade flume]

Need those last 2 ilvls...

[round oracle]

might have something to do with that you dont even have all the 10s done at this point

[drifting nova]

puggable keys should be pegged to vault

fight me

[jade flume]

Not all keys should be done though

I think its a good thing

[drifting nova]

I do tho? so it's not that

[wise hare]

i mean

even if you have done all 10s

you still are shit score

and wont be taken

[round oracle]

ye

[wise hare]

cause there is 99 other ppl applying

with higher score than you

[drifting nova]

hence why peg vault to puggable keys

[jade flume]

But im a blaster tho

[round oracle]

yeah its not just a spec thing at that point

[wise hare]

why would that random not take the 3.4k score dps

[drifting nova]

but thatd never happen

[wise hare]

over you

[calm perch]

hero ritual forge or voidcore?

[drifting nova]

I've seen so many dogshit 3.4 dps

it's not even funny

[wise hare]

doesnt matter

for the random in the tool

you look worse

[drifting nova]

imagine if tanking wasnt so god damn awful

I'd tank

[wise hare]

if your score is lower

[drifting nova]

bad dungeon pool

count bad

[jade flume]

What about score of the heart

[fair mist]

living with a champ track forge since week 1 and all the sudden.... all the glory.

[jade flume]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Looqd

Man ive even timed a 12 somehow

[jade flume]

Big

[leaden birch]

brother

another comically bad trinket

thats is 4 weeks in a row of trash trinkets

actually gonna kms

[jade flume]

Dont pick it tho

[leaden birch]

fuck else do I pick tho

it's a socket week

unless, I take heroic araz

zzz

i'm just gonna reroll fdk

my fdk does 1 dungeon a week and gets better vault shit

[drifting nova]

post 10rating but pre title rating is the same but people never realise

[wise hare]

doesnt matter

they wont check

like you have to understand they see bigger number

they click invite

its that simple

[lofty depot]

Need spire

[round field]

nick how are u getting ragebaited by kekkers in the big 25

[leaden birch]

I was considering the spire for m+

[wise hare]

wait this is kekkers

i didnt know

[lofty depot]

Smh

[round field]

[round oracle]

:DD

[wise hare]

well that makes sense now

[jade flume]

Kekkers has a point tho

[drifting nova]

bout to chain int some keys as tank at this rate

could I do higher than 10?

do I want to? fuck no

it's a literal waste of time

unless you're going for title

[jade flume]

On god kekkers

[drifting nova]

every key from 11 to whats the highest 18?

[round field]

wrong

[drifting nova]

is the same

[round field]

12 good

[drifting nova]

mad if you disagree

12 does fuck all

great so you can chain int 12s

all day

[round field]

gives me more cresties

[jade flume]

Aint no way i go into 12 with pugs

[hearty compass]

How much miss chance do you put in to simulate the antenna?

[round field]

so i have to do less keys

[jade flume]

Already have to solo a 10

[drifting nova]

keys above 11 shouldnt be puggable

make it harder

[round field]

wdym

its piss easy to do 12

[drifting nova]

brother I cant get into 10s

the fuck you think I'm going to get into 11s

I'd be 100 years old

[round field]

even with shitters who dont know where dps buttons are on their keyboard

[jade flume]

I almost depleted 10 gambinto yesterday

[drifting nova]

just lemme do vault and I can gtfo this game

[jade flume]

And i was doing like 2mil overall on pres evoker

People are straight up handless

[drifting nova]

hell at this poin

give me a 4group of those npcs

for story dungeons

in a 10

ezpz

people think that they stopped doing 10s they are gods

maybe if like 20s dropped actual myth gear

[jade flume]

Life isnt fair straight up

[drifting nova]

but theres still no reward post 10

actually all been gaslit by blizzard into thinking there is

[leaden birch]

my boomy has some crazy application stats

[drifting nova]

dont even want to know mine

[leaden birch]

I just got lucky tbh

i blasted a 15 eco early on in the season

I just slam eco domes for my weekly vaults

[drifting nova]

almost got my tank killed first streets boss

with shadowmeld

didnt think itd work

and he got targeted with interrogation

[lofty depot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1285513767219888200/1422612652613439621/image.png?ex=68dd4ec7&is=68dbfd47&hm=67856953da8607d5974737c9ab042ba5b2591b6cfb04333a525aa4f2ed039c64&

is that my bis??? for eeler?

[uncut roost]

You a tree now

[jade flume]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[drifting nova]

is it just me or are tazavesh dungeons balls for overall

[lofty depot]

well streets is balls for overall

[drifting nova]

sure, but both

seem bad

compared to every other dung

[craggy sonnet]

Murlocs are dying pretty fast .. Ramp too slow

[drifting nova]

back to the delist simulator for another 30mins

[lofty depot]

am i eeler now

i have to swap all my crafts to mastery vers to wear this fuggn ring

[uncut roost]

You jinxed me, I got one too

[lofty depot]

mage got nothing

tragic week

i suppose its fine..... on durid but still

[uncut roost]

My warlock got a socket, but we have a healer out this week

[craggy sonnet]

what about dis makes you eeler?

[lofty depot]

has leech

thats big

[craggy sonnet]

noob, crafted all vers mast to begin with

[lofty depot]

crit was better >

[craggy sonnet]

barely if at all

was also wearing hc alpha ring like week1 or 2

[lofty depot]

blud thinks i didnt sim it

[craggy sonnet]

would have died 0.1 times less with vers

[ornate geyser]

how come i cant sim dungeon slice as a boomie?

any recommendations how to sim for m+?

[fossil shard]

1target 5 min patchwerk

or mdt sim

[ornate geyser]

whats mdt sim?

[fossil shard]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

[ornate geyser]

thanks!

[lofty depot]

because u were never supposed to

[steady jewel]

is haste really the worst stat for KOTG

[fossil shard]

it's not great

[lofty depot]

yep

i have too much :/

[jaunty blaze]

yikes

[steady jewel]

Wasn't haste/mastery like the stat priority in recent years? I'm a resto druid but have just been looking at balance out of curiosity

[lofty depot]

well times change

[steady jewel]

yeah for sure

and it looks like elune's chosen is still haste and mastery?

[lofty depot]

ye

[steady jewel]

is there a massive difference between kotg and elune's chosen in raid? as a resto druid who stacks haste/mastery would it be fine to go elune's chosen in a raid if needing to flex?

[fossil shard]

for soul hunters sure

[frigid rover]

does the crafted ring tech still work if you craft it twice with different stats?

[lofty depot]

theres less of a difference if u run different stats in raid using keeper rather than playing ec

[fossil shard]

no

fixed

but you can craft two rings

[steady jewel]

ok thanks

[toxic scarab]

ST wise yes there is a big difference

[steady jewel]

gotcha

[wet cloud]

This is where I'm sitting, granted I have crafted neck/ring where I should have a bit higher mastery. Plus my other ring is myth collapsing stars, really bad luck with jewelry this time around.

Crit 11k
Haste 9.7k
Mastery 22k
Verse 12k

[jaunty blaze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[fossil shard]

LMAO BEAT ME TO IT FUCK

I was looking for it

[jaunty blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laughing-gif-4061075348667817765

[craggy sonnet]

with high haste? doubt it

[normal pilot]

just run top gear with ec build from compendium, then run one with kotg build and compare

[craggy sonnet]

ec st apl is sandbagged tho

[lofty depot]

fix it then sandbagger

[normal pilot]

he's resto flexing it doesn't matter

[lofty depot]

restos flex?

i thought that was just mattiu

[craggy sonnet]

flexes enough for all the restos

[wet cloud]

the only fights favorable to EC in raid is soul hunters and maybe soulbinder if you a gamer

[drifting nova]

just bin kotg

fixed

[wet cloud]

god I wish

[drifting nova]

just bin the bad spec

SIMPLE

[wet cloud]

EC boring too

[drifting nova]

hold your tongue

[wet cloud]

"lets remove half the rotation of a spec and call it a hero tree"

[drifting nova]

the bad half, yes

[normal pilot]

what rotation did they remove?

[wet cloud]

still bad design

[lofty depot]

soulbinder if u play in a pug and have 0 dps

but even then, keeper >

[drifting nova]

aint nobody like pressing wrath

it's not even green

[wet cloud]

you so right

can we have a glyph pls

[drifting nova]

(yes I'm old)

[wet cloud]

the wiggly green wrath

[drifting nova]

and old lightning bolt for shamans

an actual ball

[wet cloud]

there are two old lightning bolts at this point

the projectile that traveled, original and the first rework that was an actual lightning bolt

also what are these dudes doing in there

[drifting nova]

got araz on my blood dk

I should not but I could

[jade flume]

Chilling

[green brook]

hey quick (potentially bird brained question): Is jastor still working, or are the sims just broken on it. Heard such a mixed bag of information from guildies and reviewing logs

[craggy sonnet]

it bugs out between pulls

gotta re-equip it after every wipe

[round field]

wrong

[maiden pasture]

Fuck jastor

[round field]

mine always works

[craggy sonnet]

sure bud

[maiden pasture]

If you have jastor equipped still you stink

[drifting nova]

just dont wipe

[maiden pasture]

I don't make the rules

[green brook]

tell my vault or forgeweaver to drop me an Omega ring already then @maiden pasture

looks like this discussion is equally all over the place as everywhere else

[drifting nova]

what level is the raid renown

idk if I missed 1

[junior violet]

Generally speaking, hero track Voidglass Kris & Diamantine Voidcore vs 720 crafted & a myth track Azhiccaran Parapodia... is the Shards of the Void set bonus enough to offset a 10 ilvl drop in the weapon slot?

[wet cloud]

no

[obsidian girder]

should be the runes from soulhunter today for NA

[drifting nova]

it is for resto (yes i'm salty I lost the wep yday)

[upbeat flume]

I see no updates on https://www.dreamgrove.gg/raids/manaforge_omega?roles=Balance%2CDPS for moonkin specs

that just not happening this season?

[golden coyote]

Help me pick my vault. I've currently got a hero track antenna and champ track head tier piece. My vault has a the myth track antenna and a myth track helm I could catalyze. The helm cat'd and upgraded is a 1.2% upgrade and the antenna a 0.8% upgrade.
I'm thinking I take the antenna because I only regularly can PUG 2/8 so I have one vault chance a week at the specific trinket. A myth helm has 3 vault chances + a plexus kill. Am I over thinking? Should I just zugzug and picked the bigger upgrade today?

[wet cloud]

consider that dinars are coming soon

[golden coyote]

Good point.

[lofty depot]

"soon"

[wet cloud]

^

just having antenna is most of the power anyway

[golden coyote]

Also if I jsut got off my lazy butt and tried to farm a hero track from mythic +, I would come out ahead.

[wet cloud]

If you had hero track, it would likely be much less of an upgrade

did you sim them at max ilvl

[golden coyote]

Yea at 723

[wet cloud]

what is your other trinket

[golden coyote]

hero rituaal

[wet cloud]

I'd get antenna then

[wet cloud]

the champ track helm is skewing your decision when you should just farm out a hero one

[maiden pasture]

Craft a ring

Wear a hero track ring

[green brook]

I have a crafted ring

and hero options

jastor still sims better

[maiden pasture]

If it sims 1k better but you lose the stam it's not worth it

And having to deal with the bug not worth it

[green brook]

for a .8% dps difference you may be right

[wet cloud]

1k dps increase anyway is extremely minor and can be attributed to sim variance

[green brook]

Its nearly a 1% difference, which really isnt the end of the world

[craggy sonnet]

what hero options?

[green brook]

I have two myth rings in vault and one crafted

but I have 704 signet of the false accusor in bags rn

and myth whispers of karesh and radiant necro band in vault

kinda just trying to figure out what I will do once I down salad bar with the guild as we progging him rn

maybe use a dinaer on his neck piece to unfucky my secondaries so I can not worry about the mastery loss as much

[lofty depot]

U can't use dinar on neck

It's weapons, trinkets, and assuming bonus loot for the boots

[restive wadi]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/balance/talent-builds-pve-dps#keeper-of-the-grove-raid-builds-council is this up to date?

[fossil shard]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

swap to going there instead

[lofty depot]

If u want builds u go look at the fight itself and then copy talents

Warcraft logs is ur friend

[fossil shard]

can also look at warcraft logs and/or lorrgs

yeah

@lofty depot did you nado some people last night

[restive wadi]

lorrgs?

[fossil shard]

https://lorrgs.io/

lorrgs = when did top logs press "x"

[lofty depot]

Yes

And meele be killing them

Like I got a be in range and cast

These fucks just cleave yeyayeyayeaya

[fossil shard]

LOL

[elder finch]

hey guys, im new to balance, and a wow scrub as it is, but im finding myself getting lost in my rotation while in m+ trying to track my eclipse, I.E im finding myself casting un-needed wrath's and losing proper GCD's on starfire/starfall... i looked on WAGO for a clean eclipse tracker, but it seems they are more set up to track lunar and solar eclipse, would they work for elunes chosen to only track luna eclipse?

[shadow canyon]

https://wago.io/T6s27CUPI

This ones pretty easy to use.

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-yuck-ew-gif-17355783

[shadow canyon]

It works for EC. It will show you when you are not in eclipse and will light up once you've successfully entered your lunar eclipse

[fossil shard]

https://wago.io/OiBalance

bis

[elder finch]

is that one i heard about that takes your haste into account to alert when to start casting wraths?

[fossil shard]

you bet

[elder finch]

i may be a scrub, but I don't want to remain a scrub! thanks!

[green brook]

Me when I remember

@elder finch in the balance Druid compendium there is a section which has several weak aura packs like the one provided by Arctic Burner. They come down to preference and flavor of which aesthetic works best. I suggest you give a few of them a try from the links provided in the additional section

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

[lofty depot]

OiBalance is objectively the best one tho

[elder finch]

the one he gave is doing the trick! i now have a bar that is easily to follow vs me looking for a buff in a mess of buffs

i just went to the cleave pvp training dummies and i can hold 9-10m dps vs the 5-6m i was struggling with

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive boss was harder btw

[silk shard]

yall get anything nice in your vaults?

[elder finch]

i had to look at a VoD to figure out what i was doing and found i was chasing my tail with eclipse

[lucid olive]

yeah

[lofty depot]

Pvp dummies bad

[elder finch]

my struggles first started with not ensuring i was moonfiring all the targets

[silk shard]

yeah, keeping moonfire up is important

[elder finch]

yep! so much lost resources

[silk shard]

with EC that's how you're proccing extra FoEs too

[lofty depot]

It sounds like u need to do the basic stuff so then u can do damage

H, u be skipping the basics

[drifting nova]

can we make pi baseline