balance

[timber raft]

and go incarn on higher keys

[obsidian jetty]

you can literally do whatever you want when you first hit max lvl

[lucid olive]

They for sure logged out in those talents

[obsidian jetty]

just get some loot, and have fun

[lucid olive]

Yeah just play whatever talents you want

[dense steeple]

dwilkz have played some voke too

feelycraft talent tree

[obsidian jetty]

there are alot of ppl running voke in M+, it's not a mistake. But not all are "legit"

like I said, I'm going through and see ppl do like first boss with keeper, then zoning out swappign talents

and some are actually running voke entire key

[lucid olive]

Sure

[obsidian jetty]

some are just completely lost in playstyle

but it's not "Everyone is running it" either

[timber raft]

i just was looking at murlok.io and probably 5 boomies i clicked on that were keeper

were convoke

[lucid olive]

Pick some talents and vibe with it, consider swapping around when you start pushing high

[timber raft]

but to be fair murlok can be innacurate sometimes

[lucid olive]

Yeah I wouldn't use data aggregation sites like that

Notorious misinfo spreader websites

[lofty depot]

"let me use a product that is innacurate sometimes"

hmm

[obsidian jetty]

for all you know, 1 guy played voke by mistake, 5 guys copied 1 guy, then 100 guys copied 6 guys, and now you're seeing the result of that

[timber raft]

yeah thats why i came and asked because i was like wtf if tettles is telling me to go incarn why tf are these tards using convoke

not that tettles is like the goat or anything but hes better than me lol

[lucid olive]

Shouldn't use that word

[timber raft]

sorry lol

[timber raft]

hey better than me being in a +16 with no clue what my tier set does!

[lucid olive]

Surprised that word goes through automod

[dense steeple]

if it didnt mustard would be banned

[timber raft]

i didnt even think about it tbh thats my bad

[dense steeple]

valid word to use

class discord is like work

[lucid olive]

Nah they can differentiate if it's part of the word or not right

[dense steeple]

you dont say shit you wouldnt put in an email to your boss

[dense steeple]

i dont think so

[lucid olive]

Yeah who knows

It was a fun day when typing night got you timed out

Going into the other channels and asking what the best race for druid is..

[lofty depot]

well its not like theres a good way to say use this in m0s and use this in 10s and use this in 15s

and its also not like u couldnt just cat weave in boomkin and time a 10

so

[dense steeple]

i miss ban roulette

[lucid olive]

We had one little over a week ago

[dense steeple]

ah man i missed it

[lucid olive]

But it was timeout roulette

[dense steeple]

anyone notable get got

[lucid olive]

Bicotti I think

[dense steeple]

rip

[lucid olive]

It was in a thread in this channel you can probably find it

14d ago

[dense steeple]

too high effort

im crashin

raid is starting to hurt me today

im not seeing big obvious mechanic

[delicate perch]

out of 99.9% of the white names, he is one I would trust lmao

[timber raft]

yeah im new here i didnt know

last time i played boomie was in bfa

[obsidian jetty]

You're allowed not to trust me, that's why I stay white named

I am wrong sometimes. I don't think I'm wrong about convoke

voke sucks ass in AoE, it just shoots random wraths and surges

[timber raft]

nah i believe you now

[delicate perch]

ya but in the case of keeper in keys you have a lot of experience in playing it so surely you've tested diff talents enough

[timber raft]

bring back full moon convoke

from SL

[obsidian jetty]

I have not tested voke, but I did 1v1 some random boomy who was playing voke and won. I also had like 7iL on him 💀

[delicate perch]

❌

[timber raft]

did people not like that lol?

[delicate perch]

random boomy found the difference

[timber raft]

fuck timewalking is sweet

[odd osprey]

what does this mean? so is there something else than sunfire/moonfire affecting mastery amp?

[lofty depot]

people dont like it no

[obsidian jetty]

you get x% amp always, y% amp when MF is up, y% amp when sunfire is up

the sheet number just shows one of the numbers, so it's inaccurate

[odd osprey]

so the extra amount from lycara is a gain regardless of dot application?

[obsidian jetty]

no, it gives 6% mastery, but it doesn't show giving 6% mastery

so ppl asked if it's bugged

[lofty depot]

was gonna say doesnt it only show like 3% or half w.e it is

[odd osprey]

thanks for the explanation!

[tight elk]

So. I'm having a HELL of a time with my action bars. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to set them up so that they feel natural.

[lofty depot]

you mean binds or

post them, were good at this

[tight elk]

I'm genuinely considering getting a 9 key mouse lol

[delicate perch]

x for frenzy regen is actually a warcrime

there is no shot you press it that often

[tight elk]

authors note: Starfall is not on the bars because I have a barswap macro assigned to shift3

it's a macro that shifts me into bear form, then casts it

[delicate perch]

there is still no shot you press it that often

[tight elk]

It's a last resort defensive

[delicate perch]

unlesss....

[lofty depot]

why are we bar swapping?

why are we playing on mobile?

[tight elk]

I bar swap between single target and multi-target.

[lofty depot]

again

why

[delicate perch]

wait what

[lofty depot]

ur literally not using 6

change the bind and put starfall there

what

[tight elk]

bar compression. It's easier for my brain if the rotation is the same key presses regardless of st or mt, I just have to go "oh, 3+" shift 3.

[delicate perch]

what do you do in a key where you use both

[tight elk]

I'm still debating what should be in 6, since it's a recent addition. Healthstone? Who knows.

[lofty depot]

what hapens when adds spawn on a boss

[tight elk]

I press shift 3

[lofty depot]

u then have to bar swap then press different

then bar swap back to st

u know thats just dumb right

like objectively

[tight elk]

nah it's incredibly useful

[delicate perch]

that feels kinda insane no

way more brain power to swap bars

[lofty depot]

its not useful

not even in the slightest

[obsidian jetty]

it's just more button presses to accomplish the same goal is all

[tight elk]

it started when I was playing ret, and the rotation was two different sets of abilities.

[lofty depot]

ret rotation problems

[delicate perch]

ah that makes a LOT more sense

[obsidian jetty]

like imagine if weaver became good and you ahd to fall and surge in both

[delicate perch]

[obsidian jetty]

then you'd have to relearn your binds

[lofty depot]

u also jsut dont need this on ur action bars

[obsidian jetty]

or if you're playing keeper, and have to fall, then surge at the end, you're adding more buttons, and likely downtime to your rotation

[tight elk]

it's easier for me to think "1, 2, 3, 4, 5" instead of "1, 2, 3, 6, f1" for different rotations. shift 3 simplifies it.

[lofty depot]

u could literally press shift 3 for starfall

instead of bar swapping

ARE U TROLLING

[lucid olive]

6 is too cursed keybind for me

Furthest I go is 5

[obsidian jetty]

I do not have 6 bound

[lofty depot]

yea stop at 5

[dense steeple]

I go up to 7

[lofty depot]

use t g f v as well

[obsidian jetty]

5 is travelform

[paper ember]

1-6 bis

[dense steeple]

But on god that guy needs to use one button

[lucid olive]

Typhoon is 5 and it stops there

[lofty depot]

flare is 5

[dense steeple]

Typhoon is E

[paper ember]

Pretty sure typhoon is 4

[obsidian jetty]

phoon is shift+mousebutton

[tight elk]

I can't spam shift 3??? shift+ casts are cooldowns and situation. 1-5, f1-4 are rotation, with f2 being self-heal

[dense steeple]

Idk man you got a lot going on

[lofty depot]

the point was that ur bar swapping with 1 button for 1 button

and could just use 1 button for starfall and not

[dense steeple]

1-6 is easy, then Q,E,R,V,B,F,G,T

[lofty depot]

like ur adding button pressing for no reason

[lucid olive]

Shift 3 is entangling roots

[obsidian jetty]

you can do w/e you like, it's your experience. Just bar swapping is inefficient. You're injecting downtime into your rotation.

[lofty depot]

ur convoluting "aoe rotation" with 1 button

[tight elk]

I have not found that shift 3 has slowed me down in the slightest. My issue is my rotation feeling clumsy regardless of whether it's single target or multi target.

[lucid olive]

Bar swapping macro? Doesn't your bar swap auto when you shapeshift or

[lofty depot]

post a log

[lucid olive]

Yeah idk your shits bricked gg go again new character

[tight elk]

all the current ones are from me one buttoning it lol

[lofty depot]

...

[dense steeple]

Its clumsy cause youre pressing shift 3 for a global and its not doing any damage

[tight elk]

But all my guildies are passing me now so I gotta actually learn how to play boomy.

[dense steeple]

Plot twist boomy is trash

[tight elk]

it doesn't cause a gcd?? it just swaps.

during cast, while running, whenever, doesn't matter.

[dense steeple]

So you never press it at the same time you can press a spell?

Ever?

You always big brain press it during a cast

To be ready for the next

[lofty depot]

i wont believe ur not losing time doing this

i promise ur not effcient

u might think it is

but its not

like im so confident

[tight elk]

or when I'm moving and cant cast. I'm not even at the point where I can do my rotation properly because it feels like my hands are constantly flying back and forth trying to remember which spell I need to be pressing.

[dense steeple]

If youre moving you can still cast

There are 4 spells you can cast while moving

All of them do damage

[tight elk]

and the 3 is moonfire, which I can press shift+3 during my gcd. I've been doing this since wrath man.

[dense steeple]

Youre feeling like youre flying back and forth because youre swapping between 3 sets of bars

[lofty depot]

well going from 1 button to actually playing would be clunky sure

[obsidian jetty]

play the game more then

[lofty depot]

play the game and post a log

[dense steeple]

Keep in mind once you post a log

Arctic will be able to tell exactly when youre shifting bars

With like 99% accuracy guaranteed

Because its so dreadfully inefficient

[tight elk]

all my logs are single button assist right now man lmao I'm just trying to do LFR and training dummy to set the buttons up but nothing feels right.

[lofty depot]

go do araz lfr

log it

post it

[dense steeple]

Its not going to feel right ever if you insist on keeping 3 buttons per bar

[lofty depot]

its crazy weve played since wrath and have 6 button action bars

[dense steeple]

Because a boomkin has 5 mainline rotation buttons without including any utility or cds

Does naguura still do rotation guides

[tight elk]

look up Dinobots. if there's any, feel free

[dense steeple]

Cause shes the most wholesome help hes gonna get

What realm

[tight elk]

oh right, stormrage

[dense steeple]

Your best parse on plexus after 4 kills is 19%

That feels like not even one button

[tight elk]

they kill me as a ritual sacr4ifice to down the boss.

[dense steeple]

I would also like to preface what Arctic is about to do is not to bully you. You say you want to get better, and i promise he will want to help you get better

[lofty depot]

she likely has one from before

jsut read the guide

theres a video in there

[lofty depot]

well when did u stop using 1 button

cuz i could assume these are all 1 button

[tight elk]

today, basically.

[lofty depot]

well then theres no point in me looking at this

[tight elk]

like i've been saying

[lofty depot]

i said go do araz lfr

so like

would be curious if 1 button said to press urge outside of eclipse

silly blizzard

this some crazy shit

[dense steeple]

Ima be real I think fract a better measure

I dont give a fuck about how he decides to pad

But i don't orange parse so you would know better

[lofty depot]

when do u switch to aoe on fractilly

[snow elm]

is there a reason fluid form doesnt switch me to moonkin form when i wrath starfire

only human form

[lofty depot]

u need to finish the cast

because friction

[lucid olive]

It shifts you at the end of the cast, and the Wrath/Starfire casts are not benefitting from Moonkin Form buff

[timber raft]

wait a second how many starfalls can i have going at once

[lucid olive]

20

You're never hitting that number

[timber raft]

real?

[lucid olive]

Yes

[timber raft]

so i just spam that in aoe over surge?

[lucid olive]

Yes

[timber raft]

i didnt realize it went over 1 stack LOL

good thing i realized at 74

[lucid olive]

That is why every guide says use Starfall on AOE and Starsurge on 1 target

God bless

[lofty depot]

i will be using starsurge at 2t

thanks

[dense steeple]

Homeboy doesnt even know st rotation he said that

[timber raft]

yo starfall is fucking op

[dense steeple]

Shouldve seen Stix

Slam 11 stack starfalls like a god

[lofty depot]

ahh the classic

(its not btw)

its actively shit

[timber raft]

timewalkings beg to differ

[lofty depot]

yea thank god the game is balanced around timewalking and level 74

[timber raft]

LOL

uhh so for eclipse do i always want to be in lunar?

or like solar ST, lunar AOE?

or like alternate or what

[dense steeple]

This

[lofty depot]

depends if ur playing elunes chosen

[dense steeple]

Unless youre playing ec, then always lunar

Good night good luck

[lofty depot]

and really depends on if ur hitting that many stargets

[timber raft]

gotcha ty

[lofty depot]

while doing world quests and shit, i spam wrath regardless

[timber raft]

i just wanna get used to it

[lofty depot]

sure, its just cringe to cast starfire

[timber raft]

as a previous tbc boomkin enjoyer

i have to disagree

also do i want to be multidotting in aoe or nah

[lofty depot]

read ur mastery

[lofty depot]

and ur allowed to have a wrong opinion

[timber raft]

quags eye+skull of guldan

oh baby you can pump out the starfires

[lofty depot]

but generally u want to dot things that live longer than 6 seconds

obviously that can be hard in w.e. levels ur at

but thats the idea

[timber raft]

how do i got about doing that exactly?

[lofty depot]

about what

[timber raft]

like aoe dot everything? then proceed regular

[lofty depot]

yes

generally ur moonfire while being gathered

sunfire when theyre concentrated in a group

[obsidian jetty]

mf while things are gathering, sunfire the second they are gathered so you only have to sunfire once ideally

[lofty depot]

then slam cds or enter eclipse

[timber raft]

wait so sunfire gets applied to everything?

and moonfire is just a few?

[lofty depot]

if u have the aoe talent

[timber raft]

oh gotcha

im gonna be pulling everything in m+ with starfall lmao

[lofty depot]

thats not how starfall works

[timber raft]

wait really how does it work

[lofty depot]

hits things in combat

[timber raft]

i see a giant aoe

[lofty depot]

(for the most part)

[timber raft]

what about dawnbreaker on the boat at the start

will i just pull all the extra guys on the edge?

[obsidian jetty]

it hits stuff in combat, those mobs are in combat, so yea it hits them

[timber raft]

good god

so im gonna get raped

[obsidian jetty]

but they just sit there and fight eachother

[lofty depot]

can he say that?

[timber raft]

they dont cast on you?

[obsidian jetty]

they do slam some casts sometimes

[timber raft]

monkaS

[lucid olive]

That talent doesn't exist anymore

It got replaced with Sunfire and it's auto unlocked for moonkin

Okay that last part is wrong

But improved Sunfire was removed

[tight elk]

so anyway, before I do it, could you post a screencap of your action bar?

[obsidian jetty]

Ppl always hate on my binds tho

[upper anvil]

i have many questions

[tight elk]

I don't. None of my business

[glossy jungle]

🤢

[lofty depot]

i ment the moonfire he said a few

[tight elk]

do you run kotg at all?

[lofty depot]

the only change in that is E being trees

but yes

#showtooltip
/cast [known:205636,@cursor] Force of Nature;
/cast [known:202425] Warrior of Elune;

[tight elk]

you keep fury of elune in kotg too?

[lofty depot]

my binds dont change based on the hero talent

so T is and will always be fury of elune

if we play it on keeper

[tight elk]

Okay shoot. That's part of what messes me up between the two I think, the build I'm using doesn't have fury on keeper

[lofty depot]

well neither does mine

[tight elk]

so then T is blank in that case?

[lofty depot]

yes

[obsidian jetty]

you should be pretty consistent with what's on what bind

otherwise you'll never get used to it

[hot sable]

Ok what do I put raidbots on for M+ sim?

[obsidian jetty]

you can have things like WoE/tree on same bind since you will never have both (unless they change the tree.) Same with moons/foe

[lofty depot]

read the faq

[hot sable]

thanks

[lofty depot]

actually T is also moons

but we dont use that either

[tight elk]

that's the other part that f ucks me up I think.

[lofty depot]

what

[primal orchid]

quick question after the first opening, when i got the 2 CA again aprox?

[tight elk]

how starfire and wrath change priorities between keeper and elune. Although I guess I could just swap where starfire and wrath are and it'd be functionally the same.

[normal pilot]

pretty much ya

[tight elk]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gaWCrBHVNtZ61pKA?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=39

[normal pilot]

one uses blue filler other uses yellow filler

[tight elk]

i was trying to keep the bars as identical as possible, by spellcast, and not by spell function. I've only been raiding as a boomkin for like 3 weeks lol

[lofty depot]

ull gain one at like 1:30ish and ull use that solo with convoke at 2m

then ull have another charge back at like 3m which u dont use

then u get the next one back at like 4m which u then double ca

bet u swapped there

thoughts

[tight elk]

where between starfalls?

[lofty depot]

starfires

but ye

[tight elk]

i was probably avoiding a ball on the floor

[obsidian jetty]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/gaWCrBHVNtZ61pKA/3-LFR+Forgeweaver+Araz+-+Kill+(4:26)/Dinobots/standard/timeline

nah, just alot of dead gaps

movement looks like this

[tight elk]

let me see if I can remember

[primal orchid]

tyy

[tight elk]

does it show when I go over power? cause I do that I feel with high frequency.

[obsidian jetty]

click "astral power usage"

[tight elk]

ultimately moving moonfire and sunfire over and wrath/starfire around made that feel a lot better, which was the primary issue. Now I just need to figure out like

also I moved moonkin shape to my 1 on every cast bar besides moonkin because like, that's the one I'm spamming to start anyway. Save a spot on my other bars.

now I just need to figure out where the cooldowns feel best

[craggy sonnet]

You did play other specs before, yeah?

Why are you not using the same set of binds?

[tight elk]

of druid? No.

[craggy sonnet]

No not druid

But why not use the same bind for say wings on pally and celestial alignment on boomie

[lofty depot]

in general right like my cds are on C for any class

major spam 1-3... big dam spender button r

[craggy sonnet]

Like I wouldn't even have to think about where to put my CD buttons on other specs

[lofty depot]

and it just goes throughout the stuff

[tight elk]

I've done prot/ret as my base for every expansion. The layout for them works well enough for hunter, shaman, and to a lesser extent mage, which I played before paladin. I tried doing the same thing here but it just does not jive in druid.

[lofty depot]

if u set up mage

it was pretty easy for me to find the buttons for mage swapping from boomkin

[tight elk]

when I last played mage, mp5 was still a thing

[craggy sonnet]

So what are your binds for CDs on ret

They do have enough like 30s buttons no?

Which you can map over to trees or fury of elune etc

And CA is just wings

Convoke is divine hammer or whatever

[tight elk]

anyway, closest I got is sE as my primary dps CD, f2 as a healing CD, I'm adding 6 as my healthstone, since it's just far enough out that I don't fat finger it ever, but close enough that I only gotta move that extra inch. Also Q and shift Q is CC. E is where things start to get weird. Usually, my E is for any abilities I need to place, but swapping between KOTG and Elune has made it both a drop skill and the free casts CD. Then fury of elune i still don't know for sure where to put. f1 is taunt, hunters mark, a few others, but nothing really feels like it fits with druid. Maybe brez since I can't really accidentally cast it?

f4 is big damage button, but elune's CD is too low for it. f4 is the one I usually set up a CD around. F and sF are movement. sR has always been kind of a wildcard

so far middle mouse works well enough for elune though, it needs to be cast too often for it to be on one of the "slow cast" buttons, and I don't have room on my main bar for it.

[craggy sonnet]

To me, all of these are weird but it's personal preference

I was specifically asking about your offensive CDs on ret

Not the entire odyssey

[tight elk]

I just boot goof on ret tbh. Prot is where I give a shit.

[craggy sonnet]

Aight.. you were mentioning ret earlier that's why I thought

[tight elk]

ret was the original st/mt swap when you had to change between using like, hammer of the righteous and crusader strike and... whatever the two finishers are, st and mt ones.

[craggy sonnet]

Where is your tyr's then

[tight elk]

I do it on my enhance shaman too, but that's why it was brought up at all. To explain why I have s3 barswap

[craggy sonnet]

Your bastion of light

Yea, I mean your barswap doesn't work based on what talents you play as boomie

But you do you

[tight elk]

my R is free, so we'll see if I just keep starfall on R

[craggy sonnet]

It's legit a single button you need

[tight elk]

anyway. tyr is on E, one other thing that's different is ardent defender is on sQ since I don't have 2 dedicateed CCs. I don't run with bastion of light. My interrupt is always `

[still bronze]

Is anyone able to explain this to me? Why would starsurge hit multiple times I feel like I'm missing something here.

[obsidian jetty]

voke casts surge, with keeper 4p, surge cleaves, goldrin is in there as well, you can click the dropdown arrow and see more info

[still bronze]

thank you 🙂

[lost violet]

got antenna in mythic yd, is it still the best in m+/raid, i see many use the eco domes together for m+.

[lofty depot]

can be annoying in m+

but yea

[tropic dove]

what are you guys using for the m+ sim in simc? 8 bosses 1 min?

[scenic mist]

No

See FAQ part in compendium guide in pins

[vagrant dew]

quick question guys. how bad is boomie st dmg in m+? my tank complains that i basically do tank dmg in boss fights. am i cooked or is boomie just that bad in m+ boss fights?

playing 15-17s btw

[livid jay]

if u have cd's you should be doing significantly more than tank damage

[upper anvil]

well are you doing tank dps

and how much is said tank dps

[vagrant dew]

the question is, is it worth to put all cds in bosses, most of the time 2 incarns or keep the blast the packs later. not sure what is more time gain

[upper anvil]

why would you not use cds on bosses?

[vagrant dew]

standard warri tank dps, no brewmaster thingys 😄

[upper anvil]

youll usally have cds up by the time next pack, unless you just pop them when boss is at like 10-20%

[vagrant dew]

ofc i would use em. but if boss is at like 15% why spend incarn when you are not at 2 stacks

at boss start if incarn is up i use it.

[upper anvil]

depends but normally you can get 2 incars in and have another one up after boss for packs

you can even get 2 in in like a 12-14, i dont see why you couldnt in 15-17s

[limpid grotto]

Going into Nexus King M in a couple days, we haven't had any pulls on it, anything to note/optimization boomy wise going into it

[tight skiff]

If a boss has no urgency to die, you might be better off saving your 2nd incarn to use on trash instead, like HOA first boss

[upper anvil]

you should totally post a log

[vagrant dew]

hm i will need to check it. but i never cap out on incarns and use em all the time. thats why i was wondering. probably using 2 sets per boss most of the time.

[upper anvil]

even if we ignore the 2 incar thingy, you shouldnt be doing tank dps for the whole fight or after the fight ends

assuming the prot warrior liek bursts for 4m, he for most part isnt sustaining that and usch unless im wrong

[vagrant dew]

let me check if i can find a log real quick

[delicate perch]

ya if you're legit doing tank damage you are doing a lot wrong

cds or not

[upper anvil]

Get artic to do his wisdom. Im just curious and want to see log lol

[vagrant dew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gwzP3YNMyrZv7qdL?fight=1&type=damage-done

that was arakara yesterday. first boss was really bad from my side. 3rd boss was fine because i put like 3 incarns into it

[limpid grotto]

what the fuck is this comp

on a 15

lmao

[upper anvil]

Ah yes 3 druids. Now which ones you

[vagrant dew]

xD necat is me

ye comp was scuffed 😄

[upper anvil]

The other boomie almost topping you is concerning

[vagrant dew]

i know

tbh that was a overall a bad key for me

[craggy sonnet]

then post a good key

[obsidian jetty]

just seeing alot of downtime

plan movement better

EC is a uptime spec, you want to always be casting as much as you can

[vagrant dew]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NKzP3k7WZYVwpG8j?fight=1&type=damage-done

taht one should be better

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ly1aFDxAWNpXcmdz?fight=2&type=damage-done

or this one

[upper anvil]

Am I blind or do I see no incar

Or woe

[craggy sonnet]

why are we dotting the add and refresh on boss during incarn?
FoE should be the gcd before you incarn.
I guess you forgot to press pot or wasnt ready

this is 2nd boss ara btw

[upper anvil]

Ah there's incar. I blame phone site

Should fury of elune before incar

[craggy sonnet]

and you are generally refreshing dots a lot, i guess cause you are caught off guard by movement

[vagrant dew]

ye forgot pot, but FoE before Incarn is a good tipp, dunno why i allways pressed it after

[craggy sonnet]

you didnt on the next incarn fwiw

[upper anvil]

Macro pot to incar ezpz

[vagrant dew]

ye just using movement time for refreshes if no surge rdy

[craggy sonnet]

nah, macro is lazy

[upper anvil]

I mean make a cd macro button separating

[craggy sonnet]

yea i mean .. plan it better

[upper anvil]

Not like acrual pot into incar everyrime

And bind trinkets to it. Is very nice imo

[tropic dove]

Im sorry, but i really dont understand that

[craggy sonnet]

anyways .. its a lot of cancelling and refreshing dots

thats gonna tank your dps

[scenic mist]

In the channel pins, you will find a link to Compendium which is a Druid guide
On this guide there is an FAQ section at the bottom
On this section is described how you should sim for m+

[craggy sonnet]

you also munched your dreamstate stacks with WoE

or well .. maybe you actually CA'd 2s before eclipse ended

[tropic dove]

gotya, thank!

[vagrant dew]

ok ye, that is something i need to work on. thanks.

[craggy sonnet]

also you really wanna make sure to refresh before pressing incarn

dotting inside is quite bad for EC

also araz is not really a good trinket

[vagrant dew]

ok so most of my problems come from bad refreshes and poor movement planning. got it. will work on that

[vagrant dew]

what would you recommend?

[upper anvil]

I like para

Lily isnt bad either

[craggy sonnet]

if you wanna play on use lily

even signet is prolly better

but im not 100

[upper anvil]

Should sim it

And play whatever the bot says

[vagrant dew]

but why is araz bad as a trinket choice? isnt that much mainstat in cds good? and lily is doing the "same" but shorter cd, so probably more uses in cd windows?

what do you guys use to sim m+?

[round field]

Ec isnt a very bursty spec

Big on use trinket not very value

[upper anvil]

Lily is secondary stat not primary

[craggy sonnet]

this

[vagrant dew]

what fight style etc. should i use to sim m+?

[craggy sonnet]

you are losing out on a perma main stat trinket

to play forge

which does require you to play around 2mins for a 30s trinket window but only 16s cd duration and does not give you any special scaling like it does for kotg tier

[vagrant dew]

true makes sense

ok last question, any tipps to sim m+? like patchwerk and do 3 sims with 1 3 and 6 targets and go from there? or use dungeon slice?

[craggy sonnet]

you cant even sim dslice anymore

you either just go standard 1t5min patchwerk

or do a dungeon route sim

which is explained somewhat in the dreamgrove faq

make a route in keystone.guru

export it for simc

put it in the footer box of the expert mode

[vagrant dew]

ok nice, will check on that this afternoon if i got some more spare time

the patchwerk 1t5min sim says that lily is 21,4k dps increase

so i will go for that for m+ in the future. its like 0,5% increase, not that much, but every little thing counts 😄

thank you guys very much, now i got some points where i need to improve

❤️

[silk tapir]

is lycara's teaching broken? whether im at my first mastery dr or not, with 2 pts i only get 3% mast

[delicate perch]

blizz is broken

[silk tapir]

classic

[pallid bay]

its working as intended

[jade flume]

Was it intended to be buggened

[sudden flame]

6% mastery stat is in total 3% mastery value for boomkins

[jade flume]

6 <> 3

[sudden flame]

It’s like oi said it’s not bugged it’s just how the stat sheets show it, is bad

[craggy sonnet]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-mastery-works-world-of-warcraft

[silk tapir]

wildly poor wording. thanks for responding though

[craggy sonnet]

whats poor wording?

[silk tapir]

the multiple uses of mastery in tooltips and gear

[craggy sonnet]

no its all the same really

the only misconception is that the % shown in your specs mastery "ability" is equal to your mastery% as you would understand it from other stats

since there is this extra conversion from mastery points which is your actual percentage based on stats from gear and effects to your specs mastery "ability"

[pallid bay]

kinda is poorly worded tbf

talent says mastery %

[silk tapir]

the fact you had to quote ability is what im talking about.

[pallid bay]

character panel says mastery

if you hover it says "mastery: astral invocation"

[craggy sonnet]

yea, the only place where its technically wrong is your character panel

[pallid bay]

nowhere is it explained that mastery =/= mastery astral invocation

[craggy sonnet]

everything else is consistent

yea, thats true

its just missing this one link

but its not poorly worded, just never worded 😄

[plucky valley]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-black-cat-zoomies-cat-zoomies-gif-14689681662136345500

[sweet junco]

Hello 👋
I was wondering what the raid weapon set is worth ?
Is (2) Set : "Shards of the Void" worth it ?
I have the Mythic Dagger and the Heroic Trinket.

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[sweet junco]

I'm mostly wondering about the set bonus, as I have the "Astral Antenna" and "Araz's Ritual Forge" Trinket.

[pallid bay]

the set isnt worth that much for us

rather there are better options

mainly forge and antenna

[sweet junco]

ok

thank you 😀

[lofty depot]

Ok, so sim it

The sim will tell u if the trinket and that of the 2 set is better than your current set up

[sweet junco]

Yes that's right, no matter the sim config it doesn't take the "Diamantine Voidcore" Trinkiet or the set bonus.

[lofty depot]

Ok, then it's not very good then

[sweet junco]

Too bad, one set less 😄

Thank you again for your comments. 👍

[broken valve]

if i were to max this out and replace my crafted weapon, what embellishment should i give to my wrists/waist?
i dont think its mentioned in wow head or compendium ( unless i missed it )

[lofty depot]

It definitely gives options of embells

[broken valve]

ah i must have missed them then. sorry. will look it up and come back if i still cant find it

thx

[jade flume]

Can just do topgear sim and put both embelishments

Either vers or crit depends on your stats

[craggy sonnet]

Just do duskthread lining

[strong grove]

I read through the history and I saw this was asked a number of times. I have a feeling running Elune on M+ is a bit harder on 10-12 keys because hunters and frost dks wipe everything out before we dot. Isn't keeper "easier" given the trees cast moonfires?

[craggy sonnet]

If you are out scaling 10-12s, why don't you just move up in level?

Does it matter if you are undertiming a key by 30s more or less?

[round field]

But voidcore sims higher than antenna for me

[ionic surge]

relying on trees to cast moonfire is a mistake, you can't guarantee they'll use it on the mobs that matter and you usually dot before the pack is fully stacked and starts to die out anyway

[maiden pasture]

with what miss chance

[round field]

0

[maiden pasture]

[ionic surge]

Iqni is fucked in the head and in sims

[maiden pasture]

gotta be ragebait

[round field]

Last time i simmed

[ionic surge]

Can't help him

[round field]

2 weeks ago

It was like

[ionic surge]

Or he's simming 723 voidcore with 704 antenna

[round field]

Margin

I did mythic droptimizer

I dunno

[strong grove]

got it so basically I should just git gud and get used to elune's chosen

ty

[ionic surge]

You can play KOTG if you want, but its less of a hassle to press moonfire and then just spam two buttons rather than to play keeper in keys

[drifting nova]

bc he's not thats not the question, read clanker, read

[round field]

Wdym git gud

Ec is 5 times more braindead

[drifting nova]

and fun

more fun

[craggy sonnet]

If you have bursty specs in a party that outscales the content, they are just gonna mow down the little shitters

[drifting nova]

so eitrher play with shitter specs (like they are doing with you)

or accept the bottom damage number

[craggy sonnet]

I mean, you can usually also play good and finish with good overall. But I am mostly referring to "these specs kill the adds so quickly, should I respec to get some more of the pad myself"

Just doesn't matter

At that point

[drifting nova]

fdk nerf WHEN

thats what I'm waiting for

[vagrant cove]

I cant speak for this guy, but I farm 12's on my destro warlock even though I heavily outscale it simply because it's the easiest key level for the highest source of gilded crests when reset happens (as everything 12 and above still give 20 crests anyway). So I imagine he's probably farming crests which is why he's asking, but if he's pushing and asking then I got no clue lol

And definitely do agree with you, if its dying that fast why bother changing because it doesn't matter in the end

[craggy sonnet]

No yeah, I get why you would play these keys ofc.
But I don't think you have to necessarily adapt to them to somehow try to get an edge over specs doing their thing. If it's easy, then just have fun doing whatever you like. If you want to push yourself, move up higher and the issue is gonna resolve itself

[vagrant cove]

100%

Also whilst im in this discord, is balance played the same way in M+ as it was last season with elunes chosen? I haven't played since then, need another alt as my last alt I made a week ago is now 3300 io and kinda closing in on a gear wall

[scenic mist]

yes

[vagrant cove]

Thankyou

Any idea why the voidglass kris is not working in my sim?

I dont really understand what this means

[paper ember]

You dont have an OH

[vagrant cove]

Yep that'll do it lol thankyou

[calm perch]

Hey im running dreamgrove in raid and im having a hard time knowing when to AOE cause alot of mobs die before the starfalls even hit (EX Forgeweaver) Should i be casting starfall when the adds are alive, and should i be swapping to lunar eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Well if starfall isn't going to do damage to the adds, u shouldn't press it

[craggy sonnet]

uhhhm, on specifically forgeweaver you can run a build with Aetherial Kindling and stuff to be able to effectively perma starfall in the intermission and that also allows you to perma starfall while an echo is up (since you can dot that and extend)

[lofty depot]

If ur not able to hit multiple targets thru lunar, it's likely not worth it

[craggy sonnet]

but idk how thats looking on non mythic atm

prolly not worth

[lofty depot]

I mean, I don't go into lunar on mythic

[craggy sonnet]

but you are never swapping to lunar in this raid basically

[lofty depot]

So if ur not doing it in mythic, ur sure as shit not doing it in heroic

[craggy sonnet]

i havent said anything about lunar

[lofty depot]

Did I say u did

[craggy sonnet]

idk

[lofty depot]

Read his last question

[craggy sonnet]

for some reason felt like you were talking to me as well

[lofty depot]

Fuggn clanker

[craggy sonnet]

no u

[calm perch]

okay am i supposed to be starfalling when mini adds are going down (the ones that go to pillars)?

[craggy sonnet]

again idk if you are talking about mythic or nah

in heroic the echo also just explodes right?

[lofty depot]

Echo dies fast in heroic yea, mythic u don't kill for a while

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, then its prolly just go full ST and dont care angle

idk

can try to snipe some dream burst wraths on the add spawns

[calm perch]

okok thank you, i am going into myth forge soon but i just swapped form healer

[strong grove]

friends are farming 10-12, pugging 13-14 is basically standing in dornogal getting ignored/declined in keys

[drifting nova]

wdym the current system is perfect /s

[craggy sonnet]

on myth as i said, you play aetherial kindling and can basically perma starfall once the echo is up (or weave in surges to push boss more, depends what your raid is going for)

[vagrant cove]

No idea why they didnt just make it so each level of key continues to increase gilded earn by 2 per level

[lofty depot]

Same reasons +20s don't drop mythic gear

Cuz fuckem that's why

[scenic mist]

they just don't want a spammable way to get myth track

spammable as in multiple times inside the same reset

[drifting nova]

hence failed system

[lofty depot]

+20 is very not spammable

hardmode was a decent idea

[scenic mist]

it is spammable as in you can do it infinitely if you are good enough

[scenic mist]

true

[radiant onyx]

Is it worth going EC for Mythic Soulbinder?

[scenic mist]

what is your goal ?

[white sandal]

I did for progression as the guild was having issues killing the adds fast enough during intermission

[timber raft]

Mythic soulbinder is the freeist boss in there

I killed it with a pug multiple times now

[lucid olive]

booyaka

[jade flume]

Adds are basically the only thing to wipe u there. So if u need aoe dmg or you wanna pad you can send EC

[timber raft]

People just need to focus the phaseblades

And you will kill it lol

[jade flume]

But if you overkill adds anyways might aswell send keeper for some boss dam

[timber raft]

Pop a defensive easy

[tepid mountain]

So when cds are down u are just eclipsing spaming wrath keeping 3 stacks up and dots up right? M loom parsing

[gentle scroll]

just faceroll between CDs. Your doing tank (bad) damage anyway.

[tepid mountain]

It isn't worth it to dot the web adds id assume?

[gentle scroll]

the outside one

since it will exist long enough

or be a scumbag and just dont switch 🙂

[tepid mountain]

Send starsurge here pls loom pov

[maiden pasture]

bro wtf

[jade flume]

Lmao

[round field]

No

[scenic mist]

so keeping crest cap for the first 2 weeks of turbo

[gentle scroll]

In 30 days I wont have a need for crests

[jade flume]

Why not

[scenic mist]

my main is 721 ilvl
to get full post turboboost ilvl i still need to spend 570 gilded
i currently have 10 left
to get 560 gilded i need 7 weeks
only 4 weeks before uncapped

i doubt you won't need crests by then

[lofty depot]

U'll need 30 crests per item which 30x14 isn't 90

[gentle scroll]

Ah true. Forgot about the bump

[scenic mist]

that is only if you are already 723 on everyslot but 2 720

[jade flume]

Is that with crest reduction on all items

[scenic mist]

no crest reduction past 723

[lofty depot]

Well sure but that's bare minimum

[jade flume]

Is there none?

There was last time

[scenic mist]

crest reduction is when you already have a higher ilvl item in that slot for your warband

[lofty depot]

And still, even if u have just hero gear

[jade flume]

Ye obv, you upgrade on alts

[lofty depot]

Ur still fully upgrading that

[scenic mist]

so you could up on an alt to get reductino on main

[lofty depot]

Cuz there's no cap

[jade flume]

2-3 items per char

[scenic mist]

who cares, better to farm everything on main, faster

[jade flume]

Im just gonna save some crests and just split upgrades on alts

So i dont have to farm dumbass dungeons as much

The worst thing is i cant just buy my weapon day 1

[lofty depot]

Delve slam

[jade flume]

Gotta pray for them vaults

[lofty depot]

I will be getting Kris next week in vault

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/somebody-clip-that-please-jacob-clip-it-record-it-save-the-clip-gif-21139718

[jade flume]

Same

[lofty depot]

So uhh

[deft bough]

Keeper is kinda nice for just nuking the phaseblades

[lofty depot]

Btw, doing mythic raid with a bunch of aotc andys is quite possibly more mental illness than m+ers

[fossil shard]

Lmao bello got his back blown out gg

Was lovely to see

Guy was throwing absolute noodles

[lofty depot]

I might have to stop helping friend guild

[lofty depot]

Me watching MLB < me watching cfb film

Surely it's Philly's year

[wise mist]

For the dryad 4p, do I need the starsurge to land on target before CA runs out?

Or is it based on when I cast it?

[lofty depot]

When u cast

[wise mist]

thanks

[craggy sonnet]

So, we thinking first dinar quest is on 21st?

[scenic mist]

we know so, dont we ?

[craggy sonnet]

Do we?

[scenic mist]

ok no we dont

[craggy sonnet]

It's not stated in the paragraph on what's coming with the 21st

I was already expecting them to not uncap crests based on the last bluepost and that at least was actually right

Idk why it's not just clearly communicated

[lofty depot]

Feel like it's said more coming Oct 21

Means specifically that

[scenic mist]

there is a specific paragraph about oct 21st additions tho

and it doesnt mention dinars

[lucid olive]

hero and myth track increase on patch release

everything else 21st

read blue post

[scenic mist]

where did u read this

like screenshot it

no dinars mentioned

no date mentioned

only thing that could make you believe that dinars are released on 21st is dumbdumb wowhead post title, but they have no clue

i DO believe dinars will be released on 21st tho, just sayin' there is no bluepost talking about it unequivocally

[craggy sonnet]

Yeah same. But it's not clear at all

Just like they made you believe crest unlock would come with the track extension

[lofty depot]

Skill issue

[scenic mist]

did u kill fractillus yet ?

[craggy sonnet]

Damn, now it's getting personal

[scenic mist]

[mental plover]

I do believe only the 1st paragraph is october 7th

And everything under the 21st comes with it

[scenic mist]

cant be

last paragraph is about crafted matrix

and crafted matrix are mentioned in 1st paragraph too

as an oct 7th release

[craggy sonnet]

I think it is just objectively not clear. Anything else is purely conjecture

[scenic mist]

[mental plover]

Fair nuff

Could also be a drop on the 7th and we dont get our 3rd til the 21st

[scenic mist]

mentions a quest that will give 3 insta

[craggy sonnet]

At least that much is known

[lofty depot]

So many weeks ago

We're progging nexus

[scenic mist]

where are you on the boss ?

[lofty depot]

Uhhh we got to p2 like 5 times

[scenic mist]

p2 as in after platforms or true p2 as in dragon spawn ?

[lofty depot]

Where are we.... Uh the same 5 people die to the same Lazer line up on 2 and 3 soak and yea idiots

[craggy sonnet]

You are really dependent on your whole raid for that p1

[lofty depot]

Nah, platforms easy

P2 as in first ball drops

[lofty depot]

I don't feel like it

[scenic mist]

this is p3 wdym

like dragon is dead ?

[lofty depot]

I feel like if the morons would look around for Lazers and not at the bosses hit box they would do stuff

[craggy sonnet]

How do you die p2

[lofty depot]

Oh, I suppose that's p3 yea

My bad

[scenic mist]

especially since there is no damage check on boss hp what so ever now

[lofty depot]

Yea no shit

Trying to find a way to not run 2 warlocks on dimmy

Cuz the one we can sit dies on cooldown

We sat him for nexus

[craggy sonnet]

What's the cd on that one?

[neat horizon]

lookin through logs and chat but not seeing a definitive answer. loomithar orbs. we dottin' them sons of bitches before we blow into em or do we just wrath em

[lofty depot]

5 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

If you switch, you dot

[lofty depot]

Kill the far one

[craggy sonnet]

If you don't have to because it blows up regardless then the better

[lofty depot]

Speaking of which

Frost mage so fun

[scenic mist]

it's 100% feasible

[lofty depot]

I can target swap

[scenic mist]

just move the warlockless group closer to the center after big orb soak

[lofty depot]

Yea just gonna be cringe p1 running me thinks

[craggy sonnet]

Damn, advanced tech

[scenic mist]

have gravities closer to the center too

[lofty depot]

Ywa need to find a guild that runs 1

Cuz I'm in favor of not rewarding people's lack of care

[scenic mist]

cant you be that guild ?

[lofty depot]

Lol yea, surely wr 700 is the techy guild

[scenic mist]

i got a bad news for you

96 public logs of guild killing dimmy

none with less than 2 destro locks

[golden coyote]

I'm kind of brain dead when it comes to AoE. I do decent ST damage but my Soul Hunter's is comparably trash. Could someone look at the log and help my smooth brain understand what I'm doing wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nBP62dvLzhy8aTAj?fight=26&type=damage-done

[scenic mist]

CMON DUDE YOURE NOT PLAYING KINDLING

i won't look further

like actual wtf

you lose 60% of your dmg here

[craggy sonnet]

Starts with wrong talents, yea

[golden coyote]

Oh shit.

[craggy sonnet]

You are playing ST talents

[golden coyote]

Of course. I knew I was casting MF and SF way more tahn other parses.

[flint oriole]

Guys is there a way to sim my char and jt tells me what should i craft or farm for
Higher dps ?

[craggy sonnet]

In a council fight

[golden coyote]

How stupid

[scenic mist]

this is what you're looking for

[craggy sonnet]

You can do droptimizer sims

[scenic mist]

this is you

[craggy sonnet]

But make sure to do multiple runs with different stats or do those by manually adding them in your too gear sim

[lofty depot]

That's badass

That's goat behavior

[golden coyote]

Yup. I told you I'm smooth brained. Thank you for pointing out the obvious

[craggy sonnet]

Took arctics stellar amp cook and took it way too far

[scenic mist]

[lofty depot]

Wayyyyyy too far

Then again, was gonna play goldrinn too 🙂

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[flint oriole]

So i need to click every single items to see wich one is better ?

[scenic mist]

goldrinn on a no surge fight ?
what is this cooking

[lofty depot]

? Surges proc it

From 2p

[scenic mist]

l

m

a

o

[craggy sonnet]

You don't click anything in droptimizer

[lofty depot]

Btw casting these loses u dreamstate stacks

[craggy sonnet]

But it's simming worse on 3t

[lofty depot]

I wrath at 2, wrath dots

[lofty depot]

Yea ik

But not on 1

[craggy sonnet]

Goldrinn in m+ tho

[mental plover]

I might be crazy but i think they changed the post

[scenic mist]

yeah cause prio dmg is kinda interesting there

[mental plover]

When it came out it said things were gon happen on the 7th

[scenic mist]

not on soul hunters

[mental plover]

And others 21

Now its all just 21

[lofty depot]

U just Sunfire at 6, why r u pressing it here

[sonic crag]

Lmk if this works out so I dont have to roll back to it

[lofty depot]

U actually pressed it at 3 and 6 so it should be at like 12

Because u didn't run kindling

But it's still giga early

[mental plover]

Everything is coming on the 21

[lofty depot]

Uhh it's likely just worse lol

[golden coyote]

Yea. I'm guessing I was moving for something but didn't realize I still had WoE

[lofty depot]

Probably have to send wind rush

[sonic crag]

Surely double boomie instead then right?

[lofty depot]

Was gonna say if ur moving, u have woe so either not comfortable with the buttons or not paying attention

[lofty depot]

Yea totally

[golden coyote]

Smooth brain. Not paying attention.

[lofty depot]

Should fix that

[restive wadi]

is it worth using champion dagger + crafted offhand or just make the 720 staff?

[lofty depot]

Craft staff

Also, sim it

[sonic crag]

With the 3 weekly % buff and turbo boost, I guess its fine to play, just suboptimal

[lofty depot]

Yea, depending on raid u could be gaining like 6% dam

Maybe more idk the math on ilvls

[sonic crag]

Damage stops a thing already now, guessing cds can be redistributed

[restive wadi]

do we still keep cyrce's circlet?

[sonic crag]

Can keep it in your bank

[lofty depot]

Until u have a replacement sure

[lofty depot]

Yea gonna start getting really cooked

Pushing at 5m no one have cds

[sonic crag]

We're still on Nexus King atm though. Slow and steady

[lofty depot]

Or just stop picking up the stars

That's what 35% of the damage

Ezpz

[eager raft]

don’t waste your time

you could pull a thousand times and you’d still not have a chance of consistently beating the devour

[sonic crag]

Reckon it gets changed similar to how raszageth got changes?

Usually takes until Hall of Fame is full for those bigger changes right?

[lofty depot]

Lol how many guilds have killed dimmy

154 jesus

It's fineeeee soon surely

[vital hound]

Wr200 is currently 30% p3 ish

[sonic crag]

148

[lofty depot]

Hof closes Oct 14 surely

[sonic crag]

Raider io*

[lofty depot]

Or 7th

[vital hound]

Ya 7th

I reckon

Or week of

[lofty depot]

Think maybe they push it the week after idk

[vital hound]

Hall of Participation

[sonic crag]

So people can play Legion Remix right?

[lofty depot]

In 2 weeks sure

[sonic crag]

Was boomie any fun in Legion? I cant recall

[eager raft]

I think it’ll fill during the first turbo boost week and close on the 14th

But there have been a lot of kills this week

[golden coyote]

Thanks guys. Instantly better from the talents obviously. Appreciate the feedback.

[lofty depot]

1. Yes it was
2. Legion remix isn't legion classic. U play as a retail boomkin with some funny artifact weapon

[copper gate]

Which guide is more accurate for rotations and openings icy veins or wowhead? Or neither

[lofty depot]

Neither

Dreamgrove.gg

It's not a rotation, it's a prio list

[copper gate]

Awesome will check this out thank you!!

[sonic crag]

What talents does it use? I can see its got 5 artifact traits to pick from on weapon but is that with modern talent trees?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[sonic crag]

[boreal brook]

Any tips or tricks on how to optimize KotG in keys?

[lofty depot]

Dont

[boreal brook]

Don't optimize?

[uncut roost]

Don't play KotG in keys

[boreal brook]

I didn't ask if I should play it, I asked for tips to optimize it 😅

[frank sequoia]

how do yall handle moonfire on big m+ pulls, ex: first pull of priory?

are we ensuring every mob as moonfire on it or just spread as much as possible while grouping then pop cools and go into normal rotation?

[craggy sonnet]

Damn, blue class in disguise?

[boreal brook]

Nah, just my guild's discord

[sonic crag]

You could disable details

That'll help you enjoy kotg in keys

[craggy sonnet]

I figured cause you are obv a farseer

[boreal brook]

Idk, I keep seeing the warlock chaos bolt build that is a drop to overall, but much better prio

And I play with a lot of indiscriminate aoe classes,

I just wanted to try it and see how it felt, but try it to the best I could knowing it would be lower overall

(also not swap haste on and off gear between content while progging mythic raid)

[craggy sonnet]

@obsidian jetty is one of the few I know have played mainly kotg in keys

[sonic crag]

You have big burst prio damage if you play it like in raid, but not having played it in keys at all this season I reckon there's a struggle on when to starfall in cds while not losing too much AP to spend the buffed surges

Also, if its anything like my Soulbinder experience, when you send cds on fresh adds, you might get aggro

[lofty depot]

Press it a lot

[boreal brook]

Yeah, that makes sense. Even on soulbinder I pushed my big surges a few seconds so that didn't happen.

I think in m+ you'd mostly only have your big surges 12+ seconds into the pull, probably 18+ if you're predotting everything

[lofty depot]

As the giga Chad of the soulbinder log I could...... Help u

[sonic crag]

Probably make sure you dont waste your big cds, so plan ahead where you can send surges on big prio mobs. Then just aoe as you usually do, but feel rather weak during it

[boreal brook]

Any help is appreciated! What advice would you drop?

[sonic crag]

Copying your cds got me killed the first time. But I'll dm about another boss to see if im doing anything wrong if you don't mind

[lofty depot]

Should tell ur tanks to play the game better

[boreal brook]

💀💀💀

[lofty depot]

I cooked something this week, but we killed too fast

Giga Chad single CAconvoke on opener

[sonic crag]

I do, and if they dont like it they can speak to guild HR

Hello I'm guild HR

[lofty depot]

Tbf id assume I'd have to look into recruities logs of doing it then make some decisions

[boreal brook]

https://puu.sh/KBoMt/78b48bafa4.png

Yeah, I've been sending that too

Then the double CA for big ad spawn

[lofty depot]

Ye

[sonic crag]

That's actually 5head

Double CA or not in lust doesn't matter right

[lofty depot]

Lust doesn't effect our damage pretty much at all

[sonic crag]

We gain nothing from it but maybe a smoother experience

[craggy sonnet]

Nothing at all

[sonic crag]

1 extra cheeky Wrath inbetween

[craggy sonnet]

How bout you sim with and without lust in a 1min window

[sonic crag]

🫡

[boreal brook]

This might be the min/max of the century, but if you have antenna it's so much easier to get 3+ stacks for the double CA 2m in than it is on pull. Kite orbs for ~15s before cds. It feels really good when the stars align

[sonic crag]

8,785M DPS with Lust
7,826M DPS without

[lofty depot]

have u not been doing that 🙂

[sonic crag]

Variance was 1min 8 sec without and 52 sec with

I shouldnt do quick sim

copy="no lust"
override.bloodlust=0

Would that work?

[craggy sonnet]

i think so

[sonic crag]

If so, it's 10k diff

[craggy sonnet]

you can also just put vary_combat_length=0in your expert mode header if you want to have fixed length in a quick sim

[craggy sonnet]

then it didnt, i guess 😄

[sonic crag]

Yeah I just found that 1 after I went through all the other options hehe

Yeah it just enables or disables for both with the override

8,622M Lust
7,688M No lust

[craggy sonnet]

so thats still a 20% diff in the actual lust window

i'd say thats not nothing

[sonic crag]

Yeah, but I'd say you want to know the effect to the first 25 seconds then

13,53M w/o
14.97M with
First 25 seconds

Still pretty decent

[high orchid]

Weird question, Sims are saying antenna is shit for me but i see every balance using it. Is it just bad on sims but S tier in practice? Got an LFR Forge and Mythic Parapodia rn

[nova ocean]

Wats ur miss rate in ur sims

[high orchid]

Lemme double check

[craggy sonnet]

how about you just link the sim 🙂

[nova ocean]

No thats to easy that way

[high orchid]

Nvm i'm fucking dumb. had miss rate at 80% for some reason

No wait

40%

i had it at 40% miss

[nova ocean]

I was guessing like 50 lol

[high orchid]

What miss should I be simming it at?

[nova ocean]

But ya 40 is real high

[craggy sonnet]

depends on the fight i guess

[nova ocean]

Like 20 or less unless it's a shit fight

[high orchid]

We have nexus and dim left for prog so what % would you say is ideal for those

[nova ocean]

Dim is gonna probably be high like wat u had it at it's not good on that fight

[inland stump]

sim that to 90% bro (kidding)

[high orchid]

So would parapodia and forge (if i can get a higher ilvl one) just be the play for those 2?

[craggy sonnet]

you always play forge

[high orchid]

I mean i still use the LFR one so i figured that out pretty quick

[craggy sonnet]

but hell, you should really try to get one at higher than lfr

[high orchid]

I run normal/heroic/mythic every week just super unlucky

Our guild hasnt had a single one drop on any difficulty this entire season

anyway ty for the help 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

wcyd

[sonic crag]

Just get lucky and roll it from timewalking box for a champ version

But it'll show up in your vault next time. I promise

[high orchid]

I got a 2 vault coming up this week so praying

[bronze tartan]

does it make any sense to play KOTG in M+?

or is that just not something you do

[craggy sonnet]

its not something a lot of people are doing at least

but it is also prolly a bit under-explored

whatever thats worth

[bronze tartan]

I was thinking it might be useful for doing a bit more dmg on bosses

[digital berry]

nothing is really stopping you from doing that but i personally would rather reroll

kotg in m+ doesnt sound enjoyable whatsoever

[bronze tartan]

mmm yeah I don't mind EC though, although I find that lots of classes seem to contribute more to the key than I do

tho im not running too high keys, around the 12 range, and in raid with kotg I do pretty well

tho. shaman, warlock, arcane mage all look pretty strong rn

[digital berry]

yeah I mean we are not very strong this season

you will unfortunately contribute less then others, but tbh we have been very very strong in m+ for ages so whatever

[bronze tartan]

at least I'm still having fun out dpsing most guildies on shorter fights xD

in manaforge

[jolly dock]

im being forced to offspec for a raid im doing and i've never really played balance was wondering if its ever okay to just rip a convoke no CA or Force

[craggy sonnet]

not really

[jolly dock]

im assuming prolly just hold the CD anyways

should I wait for a force to come up or both a force and a CA

[craggy sonnet]

both

[exotic perch]

you can pretty much plan them out

[craggy sonnet]

unless end of fight shenanigans

you never CA without trees

and you never convoke without CA