balance

[vale pebble]

u can do good combo

only thing they are good for

[lofty depot]

Titles cool, I'm a contract killer

[jade flume]

I use famed so people know im a gamer when i join 2/8m run on 690 evoker

[vale pebble]

contract killer is good

[dreamy locust]

Give some mage-tower type rewards for M+ glad

[vale pebble]

first week

[lofty depot]

It should say week 0 contract killer tho, surely that looks good

[vale pebble]

u get it

[eager raft]

First week? Or are you a fraud?

[dreamy locust]

Gatekeep some dope t-mog/glad mount type shit

[lofty depot]

?

[dreamy locust]

10x better than titles

[vale pebble]

yea they need to gatekeep some cool shit

[lofty depot]

I did it in like 1/3 the pulls tettles/gamz did 🙂

[vale pebble]

then everyone will smash their head into it

[eager raft]

how many pulls was that

[vale pebble]

ok but he was doing it on 2k viewers

[lofty depot]

Like 77

[vale pebble]

whos the real winner here

[eager raft]

nice I took less

[lofty depot]

I had like 20

[lofty depot]

Hunter, didn't ask

[eager raft]

Did it on Druid

[vale pebble]

yea it took me less too

[eager raft]

I don’t think it was possible on hunter first week

[vale pebble]

just so u know

while first timing a spec

[lofty depot]

Probably did it after 400 people did it so u knew what to do

[vale pebble]

i didnt look at a single person and no

[lofty depot]

Not u chicken ur goated

[dreamy locust]

okay, sight-reading kyveza is not like

[eager raft]

I didn’t watch anyone else do it

[dreamy locust]

Some mythic raid boss type shit

[lofty depot]

We're talking about respectable

Grr

[vale pebble]

it was more fun than

[eager raft]

my kill time was like 11 mins tho lmfao

[vale pebble]

legit any mythic boss lowk

[dreamy locust]

Im just saying, we talking about watching kyveza

[eager raft]

I just camped bear form for every mechanic

[vale pebble]

tat shit was peaaak

[lofty depot]

[vale pebble]

ah

[dreamy locust]

Even doing kyveza, takes like 1 pull to learn

[vale pebble]

watching is bad yea

[dreamy locust]

Big red line 1 shot you

[lofty depot]

But yea tbf, first week kyveza was pretty fun

Good content

[dreamy locust]

1 pull to learn jumpy minigame

[lofty depot]

Now I make fun of my raiders that die to ghosts on nexus

[eager raft]

Week 1 kyveza most twitch viewers I’ve ever had

(12)

[dreamy locust]

I love spriests and mages dying for using channeled spells on ghosts

PEAK

Getgud

[vale pebble]

yea these random little

bugs that oneshot u are very fun this raid

i got dismounted 3x back to back on dimensum

very fun

[lofty depot]

What's cool is a hunter running u over with claw

Some peak gameplay

[dreamy locust]

Did you hit a boulder lmao? I never seen or heard dismount bug

[vale pebble]

no

when u mount up the first time

u just get dismounted

very fun

[dreamy locust]

Crazy, we didnt run into that at all, only people running off like 0.1 before mount cast finish

[vale pebble]

something with non dragonriding mounts

[lofty depot]

Use flight form?

[vale pebble]

we think at least

[plain aurora]

Soul hunter question, im asking on behalf of a feral druid, is the balance rotation just:
keep dots up, dump int SF, and fill with Starfire

[dreamy locust]

You cant use flight form first one, unless they fixed it

[lofty depot]

Or r u still priest

[vale pebble]

we all stopped using them and now we have no problems

[lofty depot]

Or dragon

[dreamy locust]

Id be stuck in place

[jade flume]

Is flightform actually working now

[vale pebble]

evoker

[dreamy locust]

Doesnt work first, works 2nd

[jade flume]

Dont wanna wipe first p2 pull

[dreamy locust]

As of like, monday

[vale pebble]

priest was 3 tiers ago

or 4

[lofty depot]

In the most generic form yes, but also Starfire is your biggest damage ability not Starfall

[dreamy locust]

For some reason druid form doesnt let you move on the first flight, but 2nd one you on ground and works

Idk why

[wicked shuttle]

Ya the issue with flight form is it won’t break the stun

[dreamy locust]

The 2nd fly, Im ZOOMING

[jade flume]

Ok, ty

[dreamy locust]

until I gotta get my orb, then im last

but before that.....

[jade flume]

Being there 2s early would be nice

[lofty depot]

It's gonna be so fun seeing people fail the orb flying

[vale pebble]

its not

[lucid olive]

i assume there are specific spellIDs flagged to break the stun but flight form's skyriding abilities are different

[dreamy locust]

We had people who died like double digit on flying, I dont get how,

[vale pebble]

its either

[dreamy locust]

I did an orb, never once a problem, its like, same thing everytime

[vale pebble]

mount bug or funny rocks

[vale pebble]

r u doing first2?

[lucid olive]

isnt the mount bug just people pressing a movement input while casting the mount

[dreamy locust]

No, but I learned them

Once you learn laser they pretty simple

[lucid olive]

swear i never had it bug i just press mount and hands off keyboard

[vale pebble]

what laser

[dreamy locust]

Like I dont hate if someone die learning first ones getting bugzapped

[lofty depot]

I practiced all of them to see how hard, and sure there's 2 that are like 1-0 second on getting to the ring. But the rest are giga easy and they'll still fuck it up

[vale pebble]

those are 3 and 4

[dreamy locust]

The dimensius beam

[vale pebble]

laser doesnt impact 1 and 2

rocks impact 1 and 2

[dreamy locust]

Idk what you mean first 2, like the first 2 orbs straight down? Those ones like

fly under the beam

[vale pebble]

er

[lofty depot]

U have to stay under beam but hea

[jade flume]

The orbs that u go straight down are hard

[vale pebble]

i

[jade flume]

The other ones are easy

[lofty depot]

The left prob

[vale pebble]

ive not noticed a laser a single time

[jade flume]

I never failed mine at least

[vale pebble]

its nowhere near close to ur flight path

[dreamy locust]

If you like, fly straight to ring from orb, you can get bug zapped

Im pretty sure

[vale pebble]

na

[lofty depot]

Ye

[dreamy locust]

For the first down ones

[vale pebble]

i go straight to it

maybe left one is diff idk

i do right one its go straight

unless im legit delirious

could be

[dreamy locust]

Do you skip

the up ring

cause I think that also works

[vale pebble]

yea ofc

[dreamy locust]

but people learning go up, and eat a beam

Until they know wtf they doin

[lofty depot]

u still have to fly a little out

Then up

[vale pebble]

u go ring 1

go down

go around rock

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[vale pebble]

take ball go circle

and ur 0s on debuff before u hit

[dreamy locust]

We were like, half way through p3 prog, we had someone not doing orbs, asking why they died

"Did you fly through ring to refresh buff?"

"whats that?"

[vale pebble]

xd

[lofty depot]

Lol

[vale pebble]

yea no

that checks out

[dreamy locust]

Some people just vibe

[lofty depot]

I figured if they wanted to make it easier, they would make you grabbing orb refresh it

[pallid bay]

im vibing every fight (actually know basic mechanics)

[jade flume]

Tbh its not that crazy to not know u have a buff. People just assume rings are only for flight charges regen

[dreamy locust]

Some people just know what to do, but no idea what they are doing

Or why

[jade flume]

Unless u do orbs you never really have to worry about that

[dreamy locust]

But they all talking about how watch this epic walk off fly strat to save 1 second

and then a bunch of people dying

not knowing their buff running out

[lofty depot]

Lol, like skipping rings

[dreamy locust]

Yeah, 2nd fly, you like walk off and go straight

skip 2 rings

[jade flume]

It is kinda epic tbf

[lofty depot]

Then the lil gups can't fly

[jade flume]

But one time i did it i barely made it to platform

[dreamy locust]

https://tenor.com/bfpmi.gif

[jade flume]

Because ring gave me 2 charges instead of 4

[lofty depot]

Press dash before ring dork

[dreamy locust]

2nd fly, 2nd set of orbs, timing super tight, spooks me

[jade flume]

Im dashing on cd buddy

[dreamy locust]

Never died but seen debuff at 0sec a bunch

[lofty depot]

Well then u know why

[dreamy locust]

Also rings seem to give random amounts of vigor

[jade flume]

[dreamy locust]

No idea why

[jade flume]

Thats what im saying

I either go to full or 2 bars

Roll the dice angel

[dreamy locust]

No consistency to it, sometimes I needed to use 3 vigor recharge for 2nd fly,

sometimes none

[leaden birch]

so thats why I got stuck in flight form?

[tiny ridge]

shape of ur heart

[dreamy locust]

I tried multiple times first flight dimensius mythic

Could never move

oh you mean like not mounting

Yeah we encountered that "bug" plenty, people just canceling and run off xd

unless they hit a rock tho

[leaden birch]

I tried flight form yesterday

and my guy was just stuck

[dreamy locust]

Yeah, always happens first flight

can use 2nd flight tho

[leaden birch]

interesting

so always mount normally for first flight, but then flight form the to the 2nd platform

[dreamy locust]

Yep

[pallid bay]

u can even be travel form and it'll automatically pop you into bird when u get the buff

[leaden birch]

pog

[paper ember]

How skewed are parses when it comes to total class parses? For example is a 100 parse on a class that only has 2000 parses less impressive than a 95 parse on a class that has 6000 parses?

[jaunty blaze]

no?

[pallid bay]

yes

if you play dead spec

[paper ember]

Only asking because it seems to be a popular argument that some people only parse high on lower volume classes because there isnt as much competition (if that makes sense). So for example a 95 parsing boomy compared to say an 80 parsing arcane mage.

[pallid bay]

its just way less likely a lot of good players are playing it

and then you're more likely to rng yourself a 100

[lofty depot]

Well u could say like most frost mages are shit, but there are the savants of frost mage that parse high because they are good

Choechoi being said frost mage

[spark anchor]

a higher sample size just normalizes the data more

[paper ember]

That was my innitial thought as well

[normal pilot]

talking about 100 is entirely diff from talking about 95 v 80

[spark anchor]

it’s definitely an argument that can be made but with how current wow is, it doesn’t have a huge amount of basis

[spark anchor]

this too

[normal pilot]

an 80 parsing mage claiming he's just as good as a 95 parsing balance is full of shit

[spark anchor]

is the static charge oversimming thing fixed?

[normal pilot]

idk what's that

[spark anchor]

it has giga high uptime in siam

sims

smth smth icd

[normal pilot]

oh. has nothing to do with icd it's just not dropping stacks from all events

[spark anchor]

46% in sims and i’ve yet to see anything past 35, 28ish is avg

[spark anchor]

interesting ok

[normal pilot]

how did ppl come up with icd

[spark anchor]

napkin math says it’s still decent but

[normal pilot]

it's sometime wild the random shit ppl make up about bugs

[spark anchor]

there was the icd change

i think we just assumed blizzard fucked smth up at that point

[normal pilot]

isn't belt dead in a week or w/e

[spark anchor]

p much

[lofty depot]

Game is dead

[paper ember]

Even if theres a substantial amount more arcane mages than balance? At what point does the mage become better than the boomy? When they hit 95?

[normal pilot]

there is not substantial more to make up top 5% vs top 20%

[spark anchor]

you can pretty much read parses at face value

[normal pilot]

any thought of comparing a 80 to 95 is dumb

[lofty depot]

Mage players better than boomys nt

7 defensive, hits none of them, blinks through mechanics does t even have to play game. Parses 80, smh

[normal pilot]

i guess if you really really really cared you could try to figure out the statistical equivalence

[leaden birch]

math is hard

[paper ember]

So Im not crazy for telling guildies they are wrong in thinking our warlocks and mages are doing fine when they are doing the same or less dps than me in pretty much every fight.

[lofty depot]

Ur class being tuned as ur 80 parse to boomys 100 comes into play no?

[normal pilot]

well "fine" depends on your guild

maybe you're just in a guild where +/- 20% is jsut fine

[lofty depot]

If u beat locks, mages, or ele's those players are generally playing worse

[leaden birch]

I feel like the difference between my purple vs orange parse sometimes just comes down to getting lucky with mechanics

[paper ember]

Thats what I was thinking. Like an 80 parse for mage could be the same dps at 100 for boomy

[leaden birch]

or else I'm in bear

[spark anchor]

just compare parses if you really want

like to a certain point though

it’s very easy to tell if someone’s not pulling their weight i feel

[lofty depot]

Well I actively make fun of people "trying to parse" and doing less damage than me

[normal pilot]

it sounds more that you're wrong for your guild and you need to find another more suited to how much you like to try to perform

[dreamy locust]

Its just too generic a statement anyways, Doing same dmg as you on what fight, on a kill? or on wipes/prog

[lofty depot]

All of them

All of it

[paper ember]

D.) All of the above

[normal pilot]

yeah generally if you're parsing 95% and the rest of your guild are 15-20% below you, you're prolly just better/better geared

[spark anchor]

find a new guild

[dreamy locust]

Boomy is just as good or better than them on certain fights

[lofty depot]

Yea surely

[spark anchor]

being at the perma top of ur guild is just giga stagnating

esp as yucky boomie

[dreamy locust]

Like you doing frac and saying lock is doing same dps as me is a self report

[spark anchor]

soulhunters

[lofty depot]

What about u doing loomithar and lock doing same?

[dreamy locust]

well then its different

ya see,

Thats why I said it depends and you guys said all of them

[lofty depot]

Well i say all of them, cuz I can actively do better on all the fights

So yes, all of them

[exotic perch]

boomy isnt even bottom tier st dps anymore either

its solidly upper pack on fract

[lofty depot]

Sure, but there's only 1 st fight

[lucid olive]

holy are we still discussing parsing

its been 4 hours

[maiden pasture]

Are we still having a discussion

Legit

I used it for a distraction from work earlier

[dreamy locust]

Some guy asked about if his mages and locks are shit if they doing same dmg as him

Which answer is.... it depends

[exotic perch]

i just hopped in to actually complain about our lack of aoe to ST

[lofty depot]

Nah, they're shit

[exotic perch]

but i will wait

[lofty depot]

Doesn't depend

[dreamy locust]

It does depend

[maiden pasture]

Yeah answer is who tf cares how other people perform, either find a guild where your happy with everyone's performance or suck it up

Don't come complaining in a class discord

[paper ember]

You could argue on pure ST like frac boomy can hold their own against some class like locks. But not arcane mages. The second ads come into play is all over for us 🙁

[lofty depot]

I mean, u can

If fight ends at 450, it's giga for boomkin

[dreamy locust]

Top boomy and arcane mage parses

[paper ember]

Yeah

[dreamy locust]

are like equal on fractilus

[exotic perch]

lmao never seeing that again

with turbo fract is gonna die at like 345

and everyone but ele shamans will be sad

[lofty depot]

345 is fine

Hold 2m

[exotic perch]

shit prob even closer to 330 looking at logs

guilds are already killing him at 415

[dreamy locust]

Can we stop hating on anyone except bm hunters? Its just swept under the rug, easiest spec in the game to pilot got buffed to do best ST in game

and we just supposed to accept it, revolt

[lofty depot]

Yea get mad

Unsub

[paper ember]

Shut the sub down tbh

And discord

all of it

[dreamy locust]

If wow token didnt exist, I would have stopped playing WoW years ago at this point

Quality isnt there for a 15'er

[maiden pasture]

Nothing is swept under the rug

BM is OP and everyone knows it lol

It's gonna be funny to see how fast people kill dimensius with turbo and full raid buff

Dead before 1st devour

[dreamy locust]

Hold damage guys, hold damage

hold it

[maiden pasture]

Push P1 before 2mins even come up

[dreamy locust]

Dimensius p1 needs a push timer, and shared health with p3

[pallid bay]

BM deserves it..

[dreamy locust]

But they didnt do it cause gallywix was so shit, they needed an enclosed p3 to tune it well

QUOTE me

BM deserves the guillotine

[eager raft]

on god

been oppressed since bfa

deserves its time in the sun

[dreamy locust]

Amirdrassil was like

2-3 hunters perma

Im pretty sure it was pretty good in nerubar too, Just other broken stuff got stacked cause hunter raid buff

Hunter players bout to sandbag sims and tier lists, and give you a manifesto on why the 40 yd full uptime 3 button spec needs to sim as high as low mobility casters

[lucid olive]

omg why spec sandbag sims

[dreamy locust]

Can't believe em

[exotic perch]

dw we can just paywall our sims

[bright tinsel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DpPTtq1L9hwNC3ZY?fight=21&type=damage-done

[maiden pasture]

you're doing old opener

[bright tinsel]

sincerely, thank you for helping me identify mistakes

[maiden pasture]

since u last got given advice

the opener has changed

[bright tinsel]

lmao - i was wondering why i was seeing earlier treants in some logs

whats the tldr

[jaunty blaze]

press treants press ca press surge twice press convoke press ca

[maiden pasture]

check the latest pin

[bright tinsel]

so we don't care about treant buff for the buffed surges or

[maiden pasture]

you do

[jaunty blaze]

you do and you have it

[maiden pasture]

you are cancelling ur first dryad by pressing CA again

which gives u the 2 surges

and it will already be at max damage from convoke

[bright tinsel]

my brain trying to do the 10s v 12s math

ah so activating the 2nd CA gives you the buffed surges?

[jaunty blaze]

you dont run the full 12s of the first ca

so it doesnt matter

yes it does

[bright tinsel]

this is so funny to me lol. i popped in here, got some knowledge, made some improvements, aaaaaaaaand we're back to "you're doing it wrong"

[lofty depot]

Gj

[dreamy locust]

Doing it right just working on out-dated info

[bright tinsel]

fine with me though, i just wanna do better

[dreamy locust]

But its not even bad, just slight optimization

[bright tinsel]

were we aware of that interaction? or how did we arrive at the optimization

[jaunty blaze]

simmed better

[dreamy locust]

Make computer try new thing, number go up

[bright tinsel]

love it

[maiden pasture]

not that big a deal tbf, ur using info that you get given its good

[bright tinsel]

about how many seconds left on CA1 will there be when we send CA2?

[jaunty blaze]

4-5?

something like that

[bright tinsel]

i know thats not going to be consistent given variance in like AP generation or whatever

[lofty depot]

It's not about how much left CA u press

[jaunty blaze]

doesnt rreally matter

[lofty depot]

U press it after convoke

[bright tinsel]

alright i like that

[lofty depot]

U get 3-4 surges in trees

[bright tinsel]

i probably should visit this disc more often than once every 3 weeks

[grand radish]

Anyone have any advice for massive pulls like first pull on ara-kara or first murloc pull on gambit where tanks typically take a long time to group everything up and dont do a great job of establishing solid aggro in the frirst 5-10 seconds and a moonfire could be enough to rip?

Do we just afk for a few seonds basically, or try to prio enemies closer to tank?

[leaden birch]

if the tank uses an ability you shouldn't pull off with moonfire I feels

[bright tinsel]

can you peep my talents. im seeing on archon that people are playing soul of the forest and crashing star instead of touch of the cosmos.

[grand radish]

I get a lot of just heroic throws and running, or equivalent

[bright tinsel]

im sure the direct response will be "stop replying to me and just sim it"

[leaden birch]

yeah they gotta tclap

maybe just wait until they do, I dunno

[jaunty blaze]

the response is dont look at archon

simple as

[lucid olive]

no

[leaden birch]

just check dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

That be true

Archon shit place to get info

Just look at warcraft logs

[maiden pasture]

not saying we should have it but i like how warriors have an announcement channel

u just check it for any updates, move on

[lofty depot]

Check the pins for updates and move on

[maiden pasture]

what did i tune into

[verbal mural]

i had the same thing in timewalking.. was really weird lol

[dreamy locust]

Just kinda depends on your tank and comp, I usually just dot a few things after dismount, run behind lieutenant and shadowmeld

[vagrant hawk]

Hi, I have a question about aoe, rotation. If i am in eclipse, have 3 starlord stacks, and my ap is at cap, or about to cap, do i use starfall? Or use starfire and wait for starlord to drop off and only then use starfall

[dreamy locust]

Dont really need to dot every flying shit mobs, just get on all the important stuff

[jade flume]

@pallid bay ok im not playing that trinklet agane 💀

[normal pilot]

don't cap AP, starlord is nowhere near important that you'd cap AP for

[vagrant hawk]

ty

[bright yarrow]

playing again today again balance since season 2

is it normal that starfall isnt anymore nr.1 dmg? or am i playing wrong? I Play EC this was a m+ 10 Dawnbreaker i have 704 ilvl 2p tierset

[pallid bay]

💀

[jade flume]

my cell didnt save so i couldnt find debuffs on people

got hit by an orb -100% haste

ye gg go next

[pallid bay]

[tiny ridge]

0 dmg in this shit dungeon

[sudden pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gamer-fleet-game-monkey-gamer-monkey-gaming-gif-2303523178656026764

[paper ember]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-back-gif-8275005

[grand radish]

Lieutenant?

Biggest/scariest mob in the pack?

[lofty depot]

Yes, but in your case Starfall is very low.... Guess it is a dawnbreaker but that seems far too low for my liking

[lofty depot]

Yes and no, lieutenant is the biggest and scariest, but not every big mob is a lieutenant

[upper anvil]

Robot has me at 20k haste. So starfire is fast ans feels good. But starfall being lower then starfire is a shame

[lofty depot]

Well, tierset make Starfire do damage

Old tierset made Starfall do dam

Starfall need buff, but they don't want to cuz op spell

[lofty depot]

Justify LSU or ole miss, go

@potent cargo u too

(this is next level tech, gotta get public perception)

[jade flume]

@pallid bay https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/44?boss=3134&metric=bossdps&class=Druid&spec=Balance

we locked in

they keep laughing at me when i need on items for bamkin though...

[lofty depot]

Holy

[exotic perch]

needs items

is 718

hmm looq

[lofty depot]

Damn he's not even padding on platform.

Ethical raider

[exotic perch]

lol i had to go see the platform dmg ye

barely tank level

nvm not even that its way worse

[pallid bay]

constructed alternatively

[lofty depot]

Ele sham doing less

[jade flume]

im 721 in resto

[exotic perch]

i play resto so much more then anything else nowadays lol

just heal keys all the time

ill get my mythic kills in a few weeks when i get off the bench

[queen pulsar]

whats that site called again where you can see the timers where people are using CE

[jade flume]

lorrgs.io

[queen pulsar]

ty

[vagrant prawn]

@lofty depot Im leaning ole miss kiffin is mad the lsu LB is saying his daughter but im pretty confident in the over

[lofty depot]

I got told that LSUs defense is legit while they've played a washed leg way Florida team.... While also not scoring shit aswell

I think it's under and ole miss tho

Something like 30-24, or 28-24

Anyway I like the lane kiffin drama

[covert coyote]

hell yea go sports

[upper anvil]

Ah good ol college football

[lofty depot]

College football fun

[exotic perch]

it doesnt matter man ohio state is prob gonna win it all

[lofty depot]

Cope

[exotic perch]

and i say that as a michigan fan

[lofty depot]

OSU winning against Michigan finally, so they can't win the natty

[upper anvil]

If only my uni was good

[exotic perch]

nothing i love more these last 4 or so years is beating osu

[lofty depot]

Prefer FSU or georgia

T knight my goat, miss him everyday 😭

[maiden pasture]

is this real lore btw

havent seen anyone do this

[pallid bay]

i forgor that they changed it and just went travel form

and then got transformed into bird and didnt have mount button

[maiden pasture]

i havent seen anyone use travel form for first flght

[exotic perch]

p sure you cant

need a dragonriding ability to break stun

[lofty depot]

Uhhh

[vagrant prawn]

@lofty depot the kiffin drama is hilarious just saw a tik tok of his daughter calling him her wallet

[pallid bay]

yeah that prob sucks

i tried in story mode

you're just like stuck

very wonky

[lucid olive]

so you can press stag form too early and wild charge off the platform and get transformed into bird mid air?

[lofty depot]

What about lane kiffin being in Sydney Thomas dm's

[maiden pasture]

yeah when i travel formed i was just like GG stuck

[lofty depot]

Fuggn goat behavior

[sullen wadi]

is there a new bug with our 4p? second stack of dryad's favor disappearing for no reason

[pallid bay]

uh u prob can

[lofty depot]

Probably melee'd something

[sullen wadi]

huh? what do you mean

[lofty depot]

Post a log and I'll show u

[sullen wadi]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NDGVZP1raWnkbHF2?fight=last&type=auras&source=8&ability=1236807&translate=true

second event

[maiden pasture]

be a dol and test it for us

[exotic perch]

pls test

this is hilarious

[maiden pasture]

this one

[lofty depot]

First buff got removed by melee

[maiden pasture]

yeah

its gone somewhere

or

[lofty depot]

2nd one got removed by surge

[normal pilot]

unlucky foiled by /startattack

[maiden pasture]

the one at 2:30

[lofty depot]

Well he lost the 23s one too bud

Which is even funnier

[lucid olive]

lol i'll terrorize some dimensius pug after raid..

[maiden pasture]

holy

[sullen wadi]

in this a joke?

[pallid bay]

big melee

[normal pilot]

bonk

[lucid olive]

no

[sullen wadi]

like

[maiden pasture]

[sullen wadi]

out of words

[lofty depot]

Not a joke no

[lucid olive]

you need to back off from the boss hitbox

when your 2nd dryad is about to die

[lofty depot]

Or remove /startattack from ur macro

[lucid olive]

and then spend it and go into the stack for your side for the knock after

[exotic perch]

enjoy the bugs of moonkin!

[lucid olive]

well startattack wont do shit

you wait for your dryad to die without casting for half a gcd and your character wacks it

[normal pilot]

smh should've been weidling a staff

baited by guides telling you to use dagger

[lofty depot]

Kek

[lofty depot]

That one was removed fine

[maiden pasture]

ah

ye my b

[pallid bay]

this didnt work

but you could wild charge -> human -> travel form

you also dont get auto shifted to flight form

[glacial spindle]

I'm trying to run a sim to find out which boe ring would be the biggest upgrade for me but struggling with the entropy ring it is showing -8% dps which doesn't seem like it's taken any stats into consideration

[lucid olive]

yeah this is what i was skeptical about

[pallid bay]

i did though..

[lucid olive]

press the + on the item in top gear to change the stats on it

[craggy charm]

With the latest opener change ~3 weeks ago, when do our first 2 buffed star surges go out? I’ve noticed when popping my 2nd CA after convoke, I have around ~2 seconds left on my first set of dryads. Does popping my 2nd CA despawn the first set or dryads? Or should I count ~2 seconds in my head and then send my 2 buffed star surges? Haven’t fully wrapped my head around it yet.

[lucid olive]

Spawning a 2nd Dryad kills your first one and gives you the 4pc

[pallid bay]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2567243805?t=02h27m02s

[lucid olive]

huh

i never had that happen

and i've pressed travel form too early several times and had to natty mount

[pallid bay]

https://streamable.com/t2rfv2
https://streamable.com/nz0gs0

[craggy charm]

Perfect, thanks for the clarification. Another question, on Araz, when do you guys start your ramp during the burn? I noticed when I wait until all the pylons are destroyed and he’s attackable, I miss the 2nd set of buffed star surges by a couple seconds. I’m assuming that means I just start my ramp 2-3 seconds earlier?

[glacial spindle]

I don't have the ring yet I mean I want to buy one but trying to decide which stats would benefit me most. Doesn't show on top gear. I am trying to run it on the droptimizer

[exotic perch]

so it doesnt auto turn you into bird

[pallid bay]

sometimes

[lofty depot]

That means u should be pressing CA earlier

The amp is 12 seconds long, so on the count down press it 1-2 seconds earlier

I was sending CA when the last pylon got to 10%

[unborn lion]

guys i need serious help, simulation, with Raibots, the results are worse every day, my dps is pitiful, my god

[lofty depot]

U sim and it gets worse everyday?

Can u show an example

[lucid olive]

can add the item in top gear

[unborn lion]

i simulate up tu 3 or 4 times, and nothing is worse man

[lofty depot]

Well first u said it gets worse daily, now u say nothing is worse

As stated, link the sims

[lucid olive]

thats a picture not a link

[dreamy locust]

close

[unborn lion]

this is the last one it is a mess

oh ok

[lofty depot]

What's the over under hes simming st with all that haste

Gotta have like 25k there

Also, 710 belt beating disc. Surely means simming wrong shard

[unborn lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gpRtj4WEYLwMMYSHLixkmM

[lofty depot]

EC st, that's refreshing

[dreamy locust]

M+ build/talents, ST sim

Its giving you correct info

Just not that useful

[lofty depot]

Yea seems if u were looking for st upgrades in your m+ build

[unborn lion]

yes is for m+

[lofty depot]

Learn how to do a dungeonroute sim or continue to do what ur doing :/

[unborn lion]

lol

[lofty depot]

What's so funny

[dreamy locust]

or do a 5target -5min to compare

lazyman route

[lofty depot]

What the

[unborn lion]

learn how to do dungeonrute sim or continue to do the sema thing

[lofty depot]

I don't see the problem

[dreamy locust]

Your sim isnt pitiful, its normal to be bad in aoe build on ST

which is what ur asking it

[unborn lion]

could some one explain me how to learn dungeonrotu sim, or where i can learn

[lofty depot]

Read the FAQ in the compendium

[unborn lion]

yes in looking for aoe in M+

[lofty depot]

Well m+ isn't only aoe

But again go read the compendium

Is shrimple

[unborn lion]

the last key, my dps total was 4.26, and tank was 4.13, bro that make fell like s

[lofty depot]

Ur likely not playing correctly

[unborn lion]

the last season my io was 3345

[lofty depot]

Is that a lot for u

[dreamy locust]

number cool, 4mil bad play

playgooder

[scenic mist]

@pallid bay help, going commando

[lofty depot]

Ur io has nothing to do with ur play I promise

[pallid bay]

abort

[lofty depot]

There were fotm rerollers slamming 18s trying to figure how why they did no dam

[unborn lion]

oh yes you are right

[lofty depot]

This is unacceptable

[spark anchor]

you could get to 3.5k last season asleep

[unborn lion]

this season i feel bad brother

[spark anchor]

even easier now

[lofty depot]

This season?

Ur actively not playing correctly

U get 3300 io not dotting things?

[spark anchor]

that’s a new opener if i’ve ever seen it

[lofty depot]

There's like 15 mobs in the first pull of priory, and we're just not dotting them

[spark anchor]

he’s cooking

[scenic mist]

not having SI on the p1 gate timing

i'm terrified

[lofty depot]

Then we pressed CDs and went afk

[unborn lion]

lol, dont mistreat me guys,, lol

[lofty depot]

Sometimes harsh reality is good

When u say things like "the last season my io was 3345" as coming from authority

Time to break u back down to a clay ball and forge u into a pretty vase

[unborn lion]

no no, im no like that

[ebon sail]

I've downloaded MDT, downloaded a route from raider.io for my key level, pressed import then export, copied the string.

How do I now input this into Raidbots to do a specific route M+ sim?

[normal pilot]

paste it into footer in expert mode

[lofty depot]

Idk this is so jumbled and random it feels like ur pressing buttons for fun

Like every 12 seconds there's more spamming dots

Like ur out of combat and slam a foe into dotting

[pallid bay]

yeah rough

[glacial spindle]

Lmao 😄

[ebon sail]

Thank you.

[lofty depot]

Seems like a read the guide angle

U need to be dotting

Which means, dotting. Mobs before your CDs, not during

You need to be casting more starfires, there's like a million gaps everywhere in your casting

And I promise ive never casted that many regrowths in my life

[glacial spindle]

100% boomkin healing parse

[lofty depot]

These also don't stack

U can also just press dash to get into car form, u don't need to carform then dash

[scenic mist]

finally i can play the minigame

[lofty depot]

Only 50m?

[tiny ridge]

ok the game is officaly dead

[scenic mist]

no amp

just p1

[tiny ridge]

i thought after the turbo will b e dead but looks like it happend so early

[scenic mist]

wdym

[lofty depot]

And so?

54m,.lock in?

Hm gotta find the peak

Gotta be like 58

[scenic mist]

crappy mk stuff

[lofty depot]

Ur gear is fine what

[glacial spindle]

Is it worth to buy a boe belt at this point ready for the delve belt nerf?

[lofty depot]

Why not just craft one?

[glacial spindle]

Don't have access to raid I ended up using on wep/bracers and ring

probs not the most optimal but filling gaps in gear where I had s2 stuff

[lofty depot]

U don't need access to raid to craft one

[tiny ridge]

3k rio priest cant time 10

[lofty depot]

Maybe cuz ur in their group

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

Recurring problem, hmm

[upper anvil]

artic whos your team for ncaa

[tiny ridge]

so 20 ilvsl above me shadow priest cant do dmg like me?

i dont even have 4 set

he also used 6 tempered potion

i did 0

[lofty depot]

Harder class

[upper anvil]

my fault, ncaa football*

[lofty depot]

Ur new tier set isn't actually worth that much

[tiny ridge]

i was playing on my lock

[lofty depot]

Well then it's definitely cuz u were there

Hard carry

[tiny ridge]

?

[lofty depot]

?

[upper anvil]

?

[tiny ridge]

3k ppl cant time 10

gg

20 ilvl priest died 2 times on first pull xD

not even huge pull

guy told me im so toxic

bcs i said his friend doing less dmg than 20 ilvls less warlock with 2 set

[scenic mist]

@lofty depot comin' for u

118 right ?

to beat

[lofty depot]

ye

well mine wasnt 118

mine was 111

[tiny ridge]

not possible to pug 90% are boosted

[lofty depot]

that probably implies youre 90% boosted

[tiny ridge]

yeye random people boosting me

not the 3k priest who doing less dmg then 20 ilvsl lower warlock

priest with potions and everything 4set vs 2set 690 lock

[scenic mist]

@lofty depot are you playing with an aug

tell the truth

[lofty depot]

no

[bright yarrow]

Hi how do is use 4p in m+ do i wanna stack to 5-6 or just use asap?

couldnt find any reasonable explanation 🙁

[lofty depot]

press foe on cd

[vital hound]

118 is silly business

[bright yarrow]

so i dont play different than before? 😄

[lofty depot]

nop

[bright yarrow]

ok

[lofty depot]

well technically u should be pressing and or prio-ing starfire damage

but nno not really any different

[slim root]

I just started playing my druid since last season & was reading up on some stuff on wowhead and what not. The opener for KotG is listed as Wrath - Wrath - dots - FoN - CA - surge - surge - convoke - CA.

I was just wondering, what is the reasoning for using both CAs in the opener?

[lofty depot]

to get more buffs on the buffed surges

[slim root]

Ahhh gotcha

[lofty depot]

higher int on buffed surges from araz, trees buff still active, ca earlier

[slim root]

Right, thank you!

Do you save your CAs and do it all over again once everything is back up?

[lofty depot]

depends on fight time

typically u do a different sequence at 2m

which is ca surge surge trees convoke

which is explained in the compendium

[quiet crystal]

[modern totem]

What key level do you typically swap from KotG to EC? Just did a 13 ara Kara and felt like stuff was dying too fast still.

[quiet drift]

+2s

[lofty depot]

acquire more crit

[quiet crystal]

[ebon sail]

When i copy an mdt string into the footer of expert mode, what option do I choose for the bit above. It's still saying patchwerk 1 target 5 mins.

[lucid olive]

the string will overwrite the fight type you selected

[ebon sail]

Thanks, good to know.

How many weeks is it until turbo week?

[upper anvil]

2

[ebon sail]

That's good, pondering between taking hc araz for raid, or mythic azzhiccaran. I guess if turbo week isn't far, at least I can always get hc araz in 2 weeks.

[lofty depot]

dinars dont come in 2 weeks

[upper anvil]

dinars is later

[ebon sail]

dammit!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uTQuvMFUZqm8tbiV3uEBwj - saying it's come up with errors, but I'm not sure why as I've copied the string straight from MDT into the footer box.

[normal pilot]

you need to get the MDT sim weakaura

or use keystone.guru

[lucid olive]

think its enough mast or

[loud kettle]

no

i hear mastery gets better the more you have of it so

you're missing out on some real value

[lucid olive]

i could probably drop some more haste for mastery..

[lofty depot]

whats ur crit/vers

gotta be 10k ish

[loud kettle]

double mastery boe or bust

[unborn lion]

Thanks you guys i get better numbers, and i learn to use MDT, for sim, thanks you again

[quiet crystal]

MORE

[unborn lion]

not much more, that i want, but much better

[quiet crystal]

Mug's moxie jug out performing voidcore and weirdname ecodome trinket or bust

[ebon sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dsWstgve1DQLdxJaruY155 - interesting that antenna is ranking high for me. This is a HOA route taken from Raider.io weekly routes. Is there another M+ instance that would be more advisable to run a sim on?

[spark anchor]

i don’t think that’s a route sim

doesn’t seem like it worked

or ur wearing cloth gear

[lofty depot]

u linked the weakaura into the footer

and not actually the route it self

[lucid olive]

[ebon sail]

I copied the mdt sim string from Raider.io into MDT. I have the MDT sim weakaura downloaded, clicked on simC export route.

[lofty depot]

which is actually kinda crazy it works

well u didnt copy it correctly

so

[lucid olive]

then you didn't copy it from the export route

[lucid olive]

cause what you put in expert mode starts with !WA2

[lofty depot]

cuz u copied the weakaura here

[ebon sail]

Ok it' didn't actually copy 😛

[lucid olive]

sorry for laughing but that's hilarious

[lofty depot]

smh

expert being toxic

[ebon sail]

It's all good, I laughed at it myself.

[scenic mist]

so this is what a discussion between experts looks like

[lucid olive]

yes

[loud kettle]

yea peak knowledge transference

[scenic mist]

i can feel it

i'm getting elevated

by the second

[ebon sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89Vfo4vy8D9noYkAxpi6tU- still gives antenna a fairly high spot.

[lucid olive]

link busted

[scenic mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/89Vfo4vy8D9noYkAxpi6tU

removed the - at the end

i'm an expert too

[ebon sail]

😛 this is not my moment lol

[scenic mist]

no antenna miss chance %

who do you think you are ?

Arctic ?

[ebon sail]

I don't recall missing many. Guess I'll try 20% and 40%

[scenic mist]

check you log from a key

there are 2 antenna buffs

compare them

[ebon sail]

Honestly, I've never logged a key before.

[scenic mist]

can check on details

if you've done a key recently

[ebon sail]

I'll try and log the next key I do.

Interesting though that 2nd ranking behind antenna, is 710 ulduar trinket with azhiccaran.

[lofty depot]

not upgrading items do be a choice

[quiet crystal]

👀

We're in a cost of valorstone crisis

[spark anchor]

in keys u have a 0-5% chance miss rate

and most of the time the orbs u miss had no meaning anyways, as in they spawned while travelling/mobs died

[ebon sail]

Fixed. Lily beats the ulduar trinket now but not by much. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKxApApAzCJJCAapKG8n56

[normal pilot]

ppl tend to overexaggerate the miss rate

"missing" during downtime like RP/flight/etc. isn't really a miss and doesn't matter

you don't actually have 30-40% effective miss rate on dimensius like some ppl claim

[scenic mist]

7/13 on dimmy p1

that's ~45

bumps and spreads and soaks and gravity

[normal pilot]

it was bugged in simc for a while where it was proccing way too often and ppl just looked at that and made shit up but that's been fixed since then

[round oracle]

always 3 antennas on the ground when pulls end in m+

[scenic mist]

average missrate huge on dimmy

[eager raft]

I looked at a lot of logs and was seeing anywhere from 20-50% miss rates

[lofty depot]

make theyre bad

[eager raft]

I wasn’t looking closely enough to see if those misses occurred during or just before cooldowns

[round oracle]

always this same scam

[lofty depot]

<@&114146878353833984>

[eager raft]

thyme save us

Please thyme we need you

[normal pilot]

was it free nitro

[lofty depot]

some elon thing

didnt read it all

[round oracle]

free money by giving money

[eager raft]

Elon + crypto

moron dog whistle

[ebon sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKxApApAzCJJCAapKG8n56- 5% antenna miss rate. I have noticed that the ulduar trinket may still be be a bit bugged, it's buff was continually resetting at full stacks even when not in combat.

[normal pilot]

necromantic focus?

that just never resets and procs off any hots you may have going as well

you could even take the trinket off and the buff stays

well never resets from anything other than just timing out

[spring palm]

Hi! I'm asking for help. I can't sim in Dungeon Slice. It says the class isn't supported. How can I sim to be more reliable in M+?

[lofty depot]

read the FAQ in the compendium

[ebon sail]

Interesting.

[normal pilot]

what you do is prepull equip nexusking, swap to feral, load up swarms, swap to resto, flourish, swap the balance, regrowthx2, swap in necromantic for instant 10stack, then swap in your real trinket before pull

[ebon sail]

Sounds pretty convoluted :P, surprised if that works, that they haven't bothered to fix it.

[lofty depot]

theyre working on midnight

[normal pilot]

it's not really worth their time

[lofty depot]

no time for tww bugs

[normal pilot]

fixing bugs doesn't sell more game copies

[jade flume]

Someone asked for 20s extendo gg

[normal pilot]

make sure you pre-pull build swarm so it'll buff your sunfire & moonfire

[spring palm]

where i can find it?

[wise hare]

read his name

[lofty depot]

read my name again

[spring palm]

wallera?

[lofty depot]

wallahi

[wise hare]

cant make it any more obvious

[ancient radish]

so is the nexus trinket more dps

even if its like 20k more?

[lofty depot]

[wise hare]

problem?

[jade flume]

Its like 100k dps on 5min sim supposibly

[lofty depot]

uhh u have to do some stuff

[jade flume]

For nk trinklet

[lofty depot]

no sir, sorry sir

[wise hare]

good

i just died on nexus cause i didnt get healed for 15s

i check parties

[ancient radish]

is there a way to sim it

[wise hare]

all healers went to the left

ah yes

i love pugs

[lofty depot]

uhh

[uncut roost]

Shoulda went left

[lofty depot]

sune posted it, but like understand its an increase if regrowth people

so unless uw ant to actually try and do the mechanic

[wise hare]

You can sim it by adding this to the Base Player box in Expert Mode or somewhere after the Base Actor in Advanced (assumes 710 ilvl int buff and consuming with double regrowth before normal precombat sequence):
set_custom_buff=nexusking_precombat_cheese,stat_value=17361_intellect,duration=12

assuming we are talking about the healer trinket yea?

[ancient radish]

yea

[wise hare]

to my knowledge this should work

[ancient radish]

oooo so you dont use it through out the fight

just pre pull

[wise hare]

i mean you can

[normal pilot]

you can do that too

i think technically it's better you just need to ewave in regrowth before cds or something

[wise hare]

lets be real

[wise hare]

i couldnt bother enough

[normal pilot]

ya tww is over

even old man nick is past it

[wise hare]

i dont even know what parsing is anymore

all these young kids

[lofty depot]

old man nick

cant parse so doesnt try

[wise hare]

tbf i just dont have the gear

i barely sim like

5.3m

[lucid olive]

told my raidlead to get ready for 1 min pull timers on farm

tyvm

[lofty depot]

10% worse, so u can parse 90 surely

[wise hare]

oh yea

but thats not even parsing

thats like bare minimum

tomorrow gonna be first week into mythic again

[lofty depot]

are u in a dad guild

[wise hare]

4/8m

with irl friends for fun

[lofty depot]

oh not even

sick

[ancient radish]

are you able to link the sims instead of the screenshot pretty please. im trying to figure out how to sim it myself

thanks!

[wise hare]

but i just joined so idk

iam not allowed to prog as a trial apparently

[lofty depot]

well the number stays the same regardless lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e24Zm1bxHxE23Q8vszqGwP

but sure

its u doing the mechanic and how that will change

[ancient radish]

u da best, thank you!

[wise hare]

so isnt boomy pretty decent on soul hunters?

[lofty depot]

middle of hte pack, sure

[wise hare]

ah yes

i love playing a dead spec

[lofty depot]

i didnt have trouble doing the dispell soak shit

pretty free movement

just wildcharge the pull in when u have ire

ezpz

[wise hare]

yea

[lofty depot]

ooh were no longer middle

[wise hare]

i feel like we suffered for enough

rav frenzy era made us too op

[lofty depot]

can u call ur friend john blizzard and fix it?

[wise hare]

now we had to suffer for 2 addons

[normal pilot]

no such thing as enough

that's gambler's fallacy

[round oracle]

so good aoe spec

[wise hare]

now we can go back

[normal pilot]

it's all dev roulette pure random

[lofty depot]

i mean were venthyr lite right now and dogass cuz they were scared for us to be decent at all

[wise hare]

iam back too

so boomy as to be good

[lofty depot]

"we"

fuggn poe andy

[wise hare]

[normal pilot]

wtf addons

[wise hare]

its ok ill hop on midnight beta in a few month and look at us pumping

then we get nerfed cause we cant be too op

and then we suffer

again

[lofty depot]

wheres the jund picture

[lucid olive]

german slang

[glossy jungle]

all of those prog encounters for that tier favoured us so well too, because you pushed boss to a certain % then waited for 3 minutes for healer cds

[normal pilot]

wait really

[lucid olive]

i love it when i open LFG and see "fresh nhc" on a normal raid

yeah germans say addon for expansion

[normal pilot]

is this like calling druids dudu

[wise hare]

yea

[normal pilot]

what do you call addons then

[lucid olive]

also addons

[wise hare]

addons

[lucid olive]

its very confusing

[wise hare]

germans are stupid

it is what it is

tbh all the boomy eras i played where alright

legion was cool, bfa was mostly cool, SL was nice

[round oracle]

its been fine always

[wise hare]

i skipped df

hah good one

[lofty depot]

fake

[lucid olive]

DF season 1 was cool

[wise hare]

its fine to the point where we end up spamming starfall and moonfire on st cause its better dps

[lucid olive]

then it went off a cliff

[wise hare]

i love legion

[lofty depot]

preach

bfa empowerments with legion would be goated

[wise hare]

true

idk i liked having 95% crit rate on my surges and them actually hitting like a truck

then you get a proc chain of oi legendary

and you just sit in starfall and cast like an idiot

[normal pilot]

legion was before blizz decided having fun in aoe was bad

[lofty depot]

god bring me back

[wise hare]

bring back placeable stacking starfall

please

[lofty depot]

cant even do it in legion remix

fucking tease

[round oracle]

chain proc to get super fast pulsar

[lucid olive]

problem now is you can't really tune starsurge to hit like a truck because there are like 10 talents that increase your AP gen

[exotic perch]

you know what made that awesome too nick

[lofty depot]

didtn have pulsar

[exotic perch]

not having to be in an eclipse

[wise hare]

yes

god

[exotic perch]

if you got chain procs you just used em without worry

[lofty depot]

surely they remove it after ebing in the feedback post multiple times

surelyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[wise hare]

i love parsing on argus

and watching your first 10 surges not crit

gotta go wipe the raid rq

[lofty depot]

or ur tank take the mastery buff to the middle and not range

little rat fuck

[wise hare]

lmao

[round oracle]

i just wanna drift and nf blink

[wise hare]

i genuinly did not like

convoke in sl

[round oracle]

or displacer beast

[wise hare]

i think it sucked ass

[lucid olive]

it still sucks

[wise hare]

the whole side of convoke was ass

[round oracle]

it sucks yeah

[wise hare]

you were just a weak beta if you didnt play rav

[lucid olive]

but man

[wise hare]

lets be real

[lucid olive]

300 stack pulsar in sepulcher

that was mint