balance

[jaunty blaze]

[fringe estuary]

Should i change 5 targets

?

[delicate perch]

I for one am shocked that a trinket that does not give haste, is not simming well for an EC 5 target 5 minute sim

[muted citrus]

if you want to take the antenna at least pug the boss this week first

its a hero trinket

[delicate perch]

take it first then pug it so you blast the boss

[muted citrus]

sick and twisted shit occurring up here

[delicate perch]

you're in #balance what did you expect

[muted citrus]

true

[fringe estuary]

i like dis

[delicate perch]

[fringe estuary]

Is antenna nerfed tho?

Maybe that was a while back.

[delicate perch]

no, it's just not overly good for a spec that doesn't value crit as much as haste/mast

if you simmed keeper it would most likely be different

(and ST)

[drifting nova]

if you run from the orbs yes

[lyric kettle]

[nocturne osprey]

should i take staff?

[delicate perch]

5.3 and the staff is 0.1% what kinda sim is this

[nocturne osprey]

i have crafted maybe thats why idk

[potent cargo]

Begone broccoli

🥦

[muted citrus]

i like 2 have fun

[potent cargo]

Have fun catching some hands

[livid jay]

pvper pvping

[potent cargo]

Rude

[royal zenith]

fun is not allowed in #balance

[livid jay]

exactly

this is the place of eternal despair

[ionic surge]

I thought that was my bedroom

[livid jay]

you're a druid

[royal zenith]

you wish

[livid jay]

you sleep in the dreamgrove

[muted citrus]

catch my arms around u when i hug u or smth idk

[potent cargo]

None of that

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-shadow-boxing-ufc-george-buford-gif-4693322529853327449

[muted citrus]

i could beat you up

[potent cargo]

Ain’t you like 45kg soaking wet

[potent cargo]

Yep getting smoked on site

[pallid bay]

[potent cargo]

Catch me coming out the a gap

Hit stick

[sudden flame]

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-striker-tackle-ouch-gif-12631350

[muted citrus]

im going to get tossed like the football

[sudden flame]

what does boomie sim?

[potent cargo]

Not enough

[pallid bay]

5.9 maybe

6 if you're cheating perhaps

[sudden flame]

i dont even sim 5.8 on feral

[pallid bay]

you or a max sim

[sudden flame]

me

[jade flume]

I dont even sim that much as resto gg

[obsidian jetty]

this is what 90% of 10-13 pugs look like

[tiny ridge]

are the boots more worth than a mythic chest?

i already have them on normal raid

[obsidian jetty]

prly not, but a robot would know better

[tiny ridge]

i dont belive in elon

[potent cargo]

You should he’s a great guy

Employs lots of h1bs

Worldly guy

[jade flume]

Padder smh my h

[tiny ridge]

i dont belive u ur fake rapper

[ionic surge]

Assuming I sleep was your first mistake

[potent cargo]

I’m the goat

Ain’t nobody bigger

[tiny ridge]

maybe rick ross

or dj khaled

or u cant eat them both

WTf

[potent cargo]

Easy

Elon knows what’s good

[tiny ridge]

"(

🙁

ill cry

[drifting nova]

find god

and repent

for that heresy

[tiny ridge]

?

[bronze torrent]

It is Weapon-Wednesday ...

Guess as I have the crafted staff with Ascension I will take Myth track gloves?

Simm says the same

[drifting nova]

read yo messages

[jade flume]

Ye i would take gloves

For weapon you would preferably get fractilus 1hander eventually

[bronze torrent]

Yeh the kris.

We will get there eventually

Thx

[dire osprey]

what do u sim again for salad/dimmy antenna miss %

[pallid bay]

20-30

[odd osprey]

another prio question on EC ST, convoke usage; this sentence includes multiple rules in one. Please confirm if i got it right since i'm confused after the first 'OR'.

use convoke when ALL of below are true:

• current AP < 40.
• CA/Incarn active will last for 4+sec, OR it's unavailable and the next one will come after at least 30sec from now on.
• the current active eclipse will last for 4+ sec.

This seems most logical to me, but the final condition starts with 'AND' and could be read as if it's a part of the latter condition of the second one - like, as if the eclipse situation isn't a condition by itself.

[jade flume]

Id interpret it the same way, below 40 ap is just so you dont overcap

But where do you play ec st with convoke

[digital cape]

can you link the m+ kotg build please

[odd osprey]

fair point but it's a part of prio list that i need to translate

and somehow it's the default checked choice so i guess optimal EC ST build does include convoke

while EC as ST itself is not the major option at all

[pallid bay]

you can translate it like that yeah

[odd osprey]

thanks for the comments!

[pallid bay]

i think this is really just a too direct translation of the APL

buff.ca_inc.remains>4|buff.eclipse_solar.remains>4

[odd osprey]

i'm fine with the sentence itself being robotic

[pallid bay]

this is the APL condition right
the current active eclipse will last for 4+ sec and CA is unavailable and the next one will come after at least 30sec from now on.

CA wont be ready within 30 sec so you should use convoke but only if you have more than 4 seconds left of eclipse

[odd osprey]

apparently that does not include the ap<40 part but yeah

[pallid bay]

yeah prob not, your translation is fine though and prob makes more sense

[ebon sail]

I'll caveat this with, I know it's not a specific MDT route sim input that I'm simming. I'm running a patchwerk, 5 boss, 1 minute, lastest sim. Having looked at a few of the top M+ boomies, they seem to be running another trinket with Azhiccaran. With only one or two running Araz trinket.

The sim i've used puts araz at 710 ahead of Azhiccaran at 723. I feel like getting araz at hc will be harder (since almost everyone wants it) compared to getting azhiccaran at 710 when I can chain run ECO M+.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x4PySbRpqpEiKwrjwKtteF

Am I missing something (beyond running a route specific sim)?

[cloud citrus]

22.64mil dps

strong

[jade flume]

Wth bamkins already simming 20mil single targit

[jaunty blaze]

Nerf immediately

[ebon sail]

I'm asking about M+ not ST.

[jaunty blaze]

I mean you start off your post with "i know my sim isnt optimal" what do you expect to read

[ebon sail]

Hopefully a nudge in the right direction regarding the general consensus of trinket choice in M+.

[jade flume]

Id help you but idk brother

But with trinkets people play whats available to them

[pallid bay]

so the issue with your sim is that it will favor any on-use trinket really since the majority of that sim will be in cooldowns

making it basically useless except for that one pull where you fight 5 mobs with both CA charges ready

[jaunty blaze]

Generally 2 minute trinkets arent that preferable for m+

[soft jungle]

Does anyone know if a macro if its possible to get a macro like this to work?

/cast [known:Convoke the Spirits]Convoke the Spirits; [known:Fury of Elune]Fury of Elune

Ive gotten it to work with FoN and WoE and Im guessing thats because they share the node.
But what about getting to work where there isnt a shared node? Like Convoke vs Fury of Elune

[pallid bay]

what you have should work in both scenarios

if you talent both it will cast convoke

[soft jungle]

I cant get it to work with Fury of Elune, just Convoke

[severe hollow]

Even if you don't have convoke?

[pallid bay]

its probably because of the covenant spell if i had to guess

go slands and swap covenant perhaps

[severe hollow]

That does sound likely yea, are you nightfae

[soft jungle]

Yeah I belive im still Nightfae

[sudden flame]

nice game

[glossy jungle]

where is your mage 👀

[soft jungle]

Just to confirm, swapped out of Nightfae, now it works. Cheers! Wouldve never figured that out

[craggy sonnet]

And it is also something that like never happens in a sim, right? Is this just a guess for when to use convoke outside of ca? Like why does this have to be in the prio

[craggy sonnet]

Blizz do be stupid with this coding stuff

[analog bloom]

is parapodia any good if u don't have antenna ?

[craggy sonnet]

Hmmmrmrm..
What were you playing? Incarn? Raid gear?

[craggy sonnet]

In raid? Not really. In m+ it's quite giga

But like, you play what you have

[vital hound]

raid gear dreamgrove talents ya

[craggy sonnet]

Did you double pump?

Don't you guys make me actually look at the apl for this, ples

[pallid bay]

well its good to safeguard against w/e weird sims people are throwing at it i guess

and for actual gameplay anything goes

[vital hound]

just bosses

but not really

double felt low impact

single felt good

[steel charm]

why is my sim saying upgrading shoulder only is better than upgrading shoulder and chest (chest from 717 > 723, Shoulder from 710 > 723, so can afford both) lol

[lime swallow]

man vault with my dudu has been absolute garbage so far

[craggy sonnet]

But is this based on anything? I can't really think of a scenario where you would do this on a sim. Not sure it belongs in the guide if it's not tangible

[lime swallow]

(btw the only myth track i have is legs 🙂 )

[craggy sonnet]

Clipping incarn gotta be bad idk

[vital hound]

yea

felt

shit

with incarn

might do a run later with convoke

become a prio monster

[craggy sonnet]

[lime swallow]

is signet any good for us ? or does it not line up with anything

[craggy sonnet]

Signet is fine if you do not have access to araz forge

But it could be worse than even normal forge (you would have to sim that)

[versed garnet]

hey guys, why do we suck in raid so hard?

[hidden thorn]

Anyone has post about the best mm+ trinket for moonkin ? I actually have para antenna mythic and a lily HM don't know wich one to play

[lime swallow]

i got araz heroic but it doesnt sim high

for m+ that is

right now with dungeonroute the trinkets that sim are parapodia and arakara

[delicate perch]

I'm blasting maybe a skill issue

[versed garnet]

i mean rating is low in generall, im blasting too... compared to my guild

[delicate perch]

[versed garnet]

you play myth raid with guys that are blasting? i cant rly compare because i raid with literally elders

[craggy sonnet]

para antenna mythic is v good. lily is the best active option if you need to that for certain pulls idk

[pallid bay]

can run a sim without cds i guess, i havnt really looked at if its possible to happen otherwise now

for the guide it makes sense, if you're not paying attention or are unsure about killtime you could very well send a CA and then have convoke come up before boss dies

[jade flume]

What if ca comes up in 20s but boss dies in 15...

[maiden pasture]

how have you managed to have a convoke off CD before CA is the real question

[craggy sonnet]

yes, but then you would just say something about end of fight, no?

[craggy sonnet]

no idea .. thats why im saying how does this happen realistically

[pallid bay]

no idea i didnt write it, havnt checked the APL

simply offering possible scenarios

[jade flume]

I mean its shrimple

U use ca and then convoke comes off cd after

[maiden pasture]

that sounds far from shrimple

if you've desynced them i wouldnt be worried about whether ur in solar eclipse or not for ur convoke its already cooked 😭

[jade flume]

What if you used your ca and then instantly died

So you get rezzed and convoke

[maiden pasture]

then FF it still

[jade flume]

Shrimple

[pallid bay]

if it bothers either of you or you think it should be written in a better way you are free to come up with a suggestion of rewording and sims showing its not needed

or you can harass gamz

cause i have no interest

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

[maiden pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-black-cat-big-eyes-big-eyed-cat-cute-gif-14459530881087846518

[broken valve]

raid is full single target ( except soul hunters ) even on mythic right?
for example, soulbinder, during adds, i keep single target, and relay on classes with cleave to take them down? or am i expected to go aoe?

[maiden pasture]

if ur struggling with aoe u can play more aoe on soulbinder

but moonkins only strength this tier is doing ST damage

[pallid bay]

aoe is for the most part unnecessary as boomkin yeah

[maiden pasture]

so ideally ur only hitting one target

[broken valve]

not really struggling anywhere, i am being trial for a guild tonight and i wanted to know what we should be doing

[maiden pasture]

loomithar follows the same idea, if you only hit the boss you will parse better / do more damge. but if your guild needs more tangle damage you suck it up and swap to them

[broken valve]

yea, gotcha! thx guys ❤️

[maiden pasture]

it all depends on what ur guild needs

play for killing the boss not for parse in every raid

[craggy sonnet]

the only exception is araz where you tend to play aetherial kindling and then can consider starfalling most of p1 while the echo is up

as well as intermission of course

[vital hound]

whats the query for this gif

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bJH4XzJFBPk.gif

[maiden pasture]

just yoink gif and move on

[vital hound]

[maiden pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1113588372418605168/1372656708211441736/IMG_7374.gif

[sudden flame]

story behind the gif is sad, the cat is completely paralyzed and can't move so they have to manually feed it

[maiden pasture]

aw 🙁

[pallid bay]

Real ore?

[sudden flame]

ye im like 95% sure

[vital hound]

thats nice story

because cat still thriving

and getting foods

[pallid bay]

she a cutie

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-food-eating-cat-eating-gif-1320502635529344444

[maiden pasture]

do u have any pets dsune

[pallid bay]

yea

[maiden pasture]

cato or doggo

aww

[maiden pasture]

insaine aura

also nip mousepad

[pallid bay]

his name is boss

[maiden pasture]

HOLY

[pallid bay]

[sudden flame]

[pallid bay]

bro a model

[maiden pasture]

someone give his photographer a raise

[pallid bay]

[vital hound]

cool dog

[vital hound]

thats fucking mint

[jade flume]

Is the nexus king trinket working for bamkin in sims

Curious if its better than soleah

[jade flume]

Yeah but would be nice to sim it tbh

Im curious how good it actually is

[vital hound]

yea probably

just dont want to even

consider playing it

ngl

[jade flume]

I kinda do

Better than soleah garbage

[vital hound]

why tf you playiong soleah

[jade flume]

Its all i have

[pallid bay]

its like

barely better

0.5% or something

its much better to prepull it

[jade flume]

Yeah i will do that once i have useable trinkets

Still missing weapon and voidcore and araz and...

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e24Zm1bxHxE23Q8vszqGwP

base is playing antenna

[jade flume]

If its better than antenna then thats pretty good

[sudden flame]

is this the healing someone gives you 12k int trinket?

[jade flume]

Ye

[sudden flame]

crazy stuff

[jade flume]

Its actually 19.6k int

If the tooltip is correct

[pallid bay]

yeah its literally just a on-demand proc trinket

double-on use

[jade flume]

If i pool it for nexus king

I guess i just regrowth 15s into burn for another proc right

Even if im deepsin

[pallid bay]

yea

[jade flume]

Gonna just try it today i guess, if i get to dps something

[craggy sonnet]

I have a somewhat working apl..
Oh, already linked

But it's just worse to play it compared to only prepull cheese

And equip another decent trinket

The prepull thing is worth like 2% in a 5min sim or something ridiculous

[acoustic silo]

Our free regrowth procs we cast would trigger it yeah?

[jade flume]

Ye but i dont have decent trinket

[craggy sonnet]

Funnily enough you would want to cancel the insta regrowth

You have soleah

That's good enough I think

[jade flume]

Yeah i cant do the prepull thing with soleah

Since it goes on cd

[craggy sonnet]

Oh

Yea

We had this before

Go farm db crystal

Or something

[jade flume]

Nah im not entering dungeons until 2026

On my druid at least

[craggy sonnet]

Ha, aight

[jade flume]

(i probably will for turbo boost ngl)

[craggy sonnet]

(As if your guild wouldn't require you fill your vault)

[jade flume]

They dont

[craggy sonnet]

Real?

[jade flume]

We already cleared the raid two times nobody cares what we do

[craggy sonnet]

Is it one of those they don't but they do type of things?

[jade flume]

Nah its just not prog anymore

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, after prog ye sure

Yeyeye

[cold root]

Quick question: is it better araz normal or lily hc in m+? I've simmed them and araz is a bit lower (30k) but on liquidarmony and other websites the araz normal seems showed as better

[craggy sonnet]

Lily is better

Araz blows I think for ec m+

Unless you are playing kotg

[cold root]

i'm playing ec in m+

[delicate perch]

wtf is liquidarmory

[cold root]

i don't know. it shows here now on raider io:

[pallid bay]

bloodmallet+

[jade flume]

How does the apl thing use the nk trinket. Do you regrowth after you fall out of eclipse? Or just do it at the end of eclipse to still save 1 dreamstate by precasting starfire

[cold root]

i've checked also murlok io, top balances are not using araz a lot in m+

was just curious btw. I'll try them both and see

[delicate perch]

I would not try araz as ec personally

[lofty depot]

It doesnt

[jade flume]

The custom thing that dsune linked does tho

Ok it seems to regrowth between starfires

[craggy sonnet]

then you are looking not at the top simming one?

oh actually you are

nvm

ye its still precasting starfire

and then rg

for the eclipses you are gonna press trees in

[jade flume]

Yeah, hopefully they let me bamkin on some noober boss so i can try it

[craggy sonnet]

and otherwise right before trees in double CA window

right before CA in single CA window

[lofty depot]

Can't tell cuz mobile, does that do the buff precombat

[jade flume]

It did ye

[lofty depot]

Curious

[craggy sonnet]

and then just refresh for double CA when the buff is running out

it pandemics

[jade flume]

I wouldnt be playing that trinket long term just until i can yoink antenna/voidcore

But everyone wants these so until vault gives me more than a socket we keep it

[craggy sonnet]

i think it should work out naturally to have two debuffs when double ca window comes up

but if you are moving timers around

maybe have to hold for one tree

[lofty depot]

Dinar gang

[craggy sonnet]

and then you need to aggressively spend somewhat later in the fight even without trees

[lofty depot]

Also, the heroic one is fine

[craggy sonnet]

to end the fight without debuff

[jade flume]

I do have hc voidcore but no weapon

I wonder if thats an angel maybe

[lofty depot]

Also u can legit just do the precombat cheese and get enough value if u don't want to do all that

[jade flume]

Yeah but i have soleah(still)

[craggy sonnet]

voidcore could be good enough

[jade flume]

Will sim voidcore 710

[lofty depot]

How about u get good trinkets, thoughts

[craggy sonnet]

interesting thought

[jade flume]

Im not a dps so i dont get those

[craggy sonnet]

gahh

[lofty depot]

That doesn't make sense

[craggy sonnet]

i have good logic gate in vault

[jade flume]

I got the omega one

Today

For bamkin

[craggy sonnet]

but also voidglass staff .. kinda want that thing for mplusi (maybe even for resto)

[jade flume]

U got the kris already?

[craggy sonnet]

no

[jade flume]

Yeah that staff is nice then with voidcore

[lofty depot]

Staff dropped yesterday, gm wouldn't give cuz it had avoidance and I don't use it in raid

Smh

[jade flume]

But yeah haste is sadness for boomer

[craggy sonnet]

what a bum

[lofty depot]

Cringe level of minmax

[round oracle]

yikes

[craggy sonnet]

hmmm

stupid staff

[jade flume]

Maybe we loot kris today then voidcore stonks go up

[craggy sonnet]

would require crafting some other embellishments too

i alr have m antenna

i dont have voidcore stonks on boomie

[round oracle]

voidcore bad even with kris

[lofty depot]

So true, don't believe his propaganda

[craggy sonnet]

what are you saying

it sims on par with realistic antenna

??

give any other trinket

thats close

[round oracle]

realistic antenna 0% miss chance u mean?

[craggy sonnet]

very much that

[lofty depot]

No 20%

And it simmed 10k less

[craggy sonnet]

you mean within variance

[lofty depot]

"on par"

spit

[craggy sonnet]

yo momma

[jade flume]

10k isnt even 0.0001% (i pipe)

[craggy sonnet]

grrrr

still want that staff

couldnt it just been kris

much easier

[jade flume]

The thing with voidcore is that i can actually get it

I wont get antenna until everyone+alts get it

So its gg

[round oracle]

who told him you won't use it in raid tho

[lofty depot]

Some numpty

Ethical btw >

[paper ember]

Went from champ to mythic Kris last night. Stonks were made.

[craggy sonnet]

getting rewarded for running champ kris

no way

i would have sit yo ass on the bench

i swear

week 6 champ weapon

is criminal behavior

[paper ember]

Thats what happens when you’re top tier /flex

[round oracle]

thats some real sandbagging

the effect not even remotely that good

[paper ember]

In my defense I was going to craft wep if it didn’t drop this week 😂

[craggy sonnet]

yea, you'd be in jail already

no more defense needed

[round oracle]

choosing to do no dmg for 6 weeks

[jade flume]

Maybe he was pumping

[paper ember]

I’d say I was doing pretty well for still having champ mh and jastor still lol

[lofty depot]

So not pumping

[paper ember]

Averaging over a 90 parse in mythic right now 🤷🏼‍♂️

[livid jay]

[dire osprey]

champ wep this deep into the tier

is diabolical

my RL woulda perma benched me if i wouldnt have atleast a hero wep from m+ before we started mythic

[livid jay]

how many bosses have u killed?

[delicate perch]

1

[eager raft]

hello cavey

[delicate perch]

hello 🙂

[round oracle]

he has 5 and only averaging over 90 because killed plex with mythic kris today

x)

[paper ember]

5/8

[paper ember]

No I didn’t get mythic Kris till our last pull last night 😉 lol

[round oracle]

my bad then gj

[paper ember]

[eager raft]

imagine how much better it coulda been with a non champ weapon tho

Thoughts?

[round oracle]

indeed

[paper ember]

Valid

[eager raft]

I have a crafted weapon and my average is 9

[paper ember]

What’s your secret sauce

[eager raft]

being incredibly bad https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/94543124

[paper ember]

Idk, you’ve killed hunters and I haven’t. Better then me confirmed

[eager raft]

Check mate

I recommend never playing this miserable spec on that miserable boss

[pallid bay]

how do u play araz

who has the log

[eager raft]

skip 2min cd usage so u can double send amp

[pallid bay]

which one is u

[pallid bay]

but how do u play the double send

[pallid bay]

cotti

[jade flume]

I saw krona do like 12mil on it yesterday...

[eager raft]

ca trees surge surge convoke ca surge surge surge surge surge surge surge surge

[eager raft]

I bet he didn’t spend 30% of the fight out of range of the boss because no one else in his guild soaks puddles

[jade flume]

I dont think he did

[eager raft]

We are not the same

[vale pebble]

cottlerx

[celest narwhal]

You have a spreadsheet for top parsers?

[paper ember]

My Araz log is one of my worse ones. (this is from last week)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vkRqFVjH38BK9nMy?fight=13&type=damage-done

Our kill last night I tried squeezing both dryads into double damage and messed it up lol

[vale pebble]

is it updated?

[pallid bay]

ye

[vale pebble]

big

[pallid bay]

median performance

[celest narwhal]

Where da heck did u find that at

[pallid bay]

NA gg

[jade flume]

He made it

[delicate perch]

[paper ember]

Its tought out here fr

[dire osprey]

hey i see myself on there

[pallid bay]

solid 91

[eager raft]

add me to ur little spreadsheet

[paper ember]

How did you guys play araz?

[eager raft]

I single targetted tf out of that boss last night

got r1 boss dam all specs I’m the goat

[dire osprey]

soul hunters? 🙂

love that boss 🙂

[scenic mist]

What is this

And where am I

[dire osprey]

on the NA list surely

[scenic mist]

Racism against current cats surely

Wait for me to get voidglass

Surely next week vault

[pallid bay]

you're on the watchlist

[scenic mist]

[maiden pasture]

Bigmaya nowhere to be seen gg

oh its median

gg im at 89

[maiden pasture]

1839

bombaclaaaart

[dire osprey]

[scenic mist]

[jade flume]

Wheres looqd

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/looqd?metric=dps&spec=Balance&class=Druid

Fake sheets...

[maiden pasture]

does it seperate by spec

mayb not

who knows

[livid jay]

looking at median perf is toxic!!

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/e6789daa-123d-4d2d-9864-1046cfb7e9d4

[pallid bay]

thats all specs though

[pallid bay]

i actually might need to rethink it

cause initially i was thinking

warlocks mages

[dire osprey]

terrorists win

[pallid bay]

they would show up as like 2/8 on one spec

6/8 on another

so i just combined them

[jade flume]

Resto bringing me down yet again

Gg

[maiden pasture]

[paper ember]

List is invite only

[livid jay]

you even see me decide ok im not going bear im just moving two steps to the front

my ele did not like that

[pallid bay]

you're chilling here though

[jade flume]

I hate feral bitchass spec

[pallid bay]

which is questionable

[maiden pasture]

tbf

[pallid bay]

cause its like this view

[maiden pasture]

i just boost too much and have to bear form every one

[jade flume]

Ye i only did nk as feral i think

[dire osprey]

gg

conclusion: feral bad

[maiden pasture]

dunno how complicated but could u add extra columns for the specs on each class

just so u can see multi-speccing on the sheet

[pallid bay]

yeah i sat here thinking exact same thing

sounds annoying though

[round oracle]

identical to my kill last reset

[pallid bay]

and this script does not like me already

[scenic mist]

Parse 0 as a 2/2 feral on dimmy killing my median

Help

Not Even showing in the pic

[jade flume]

What even is a median

I feel like nobody actually knows

[scenic mist]

Real question or ?

It’s the value above and below which you have half the sample

[jade flume]

You lost me on the value

I just assume its a cooler word for average

[scenic mist]

It’s not

0 parse would bring average lower than it brings median for instance

[livid jay]

one 0 parse brings down your average but doesnt bring down your median more than a 10 parse does if your average is like 50

[scenic mist]

Median isn’t symmetric value wise

It is symmetric volume wise

Mean is the opposite

(Mean as in average)

[pallid bay]

1-4-9, 4 would be median

[scenic mist]

4,66 would be mean

[pallid bay]

1+4+9/3

[tardy turret]

dumb question - when should I be using Starfire? 3+ mobs? never?

[pallid bay]

think looq just baited us all to explain elementary school math though

[scenic mist]

As kotg 3+
As EC (with lunar calling) always

[jade flume]

Its at least high school or

[scenic mist]

I do like to take baits

[tardy turret]

Ok that's about what I thought - appreciate it

[jade flume]

Tbh i did forget what it was

[pallid bay]

i dont even know what elementary entails

[scenic mist]

Dividing was peak elementary ig

Euclidian

[livid jay]

dividing by hand still one of the hardest thigns i ever did in maths

[scenic mist]

You mean “how many 6 are there in 22” ?

Not that hard Tbf

[pallid bay]

3 and change

[paper ember]

Time to calculate the median grade you learn what median is.

[pallid bay]

gg liberal

[jade flume]

0 but theres 2 2s

[livid jay]

no this shit

[sudden flame]

my 10 parse really hurting me rn

[pallid bay]

[scenic mist]

Convoluted way to divide by 2

[maiden pasture]

bro

how long ago

did u go to school

[pallid bay]

1324 is 600x2 50x2 12x2

😎

[jade flume]

Well i finished uni like 4 years ago

Im an old man

[pallid bay]

no one saw that

[sudden flame]

do you have a sheet from last tier

[pallid bay]

or that

[scenic mist]

1324 is just 662x2

[sudden flame]

and is it per partition or overall the tier

[pallid bay]

maybe i can go back in history

[livid jay]

did u just edit that twice

[pallid bay]

thats what i wrote

[pallid bay]

absolutely not

[livid jay]

[pallid bay]

[scenic mist]

With more letters

[pallid bay]

they're actually numbers

gg

[scenic mist]

Is just

Were letters

[jade flume]

Hemoglobin is powerhouse of the cell or sth

[pallid bay]

right but you used more

ggx3

[scenic mist]

But same number of letters as I wrote ig

[pallid bay]

is it

[scenic mist]

Did you edit a 3rd time

Lmao

[pallid bay]

for sure not

[scenic mist]

Surely

[pallid bay]

actually didnt

it was u who wrote is just

old man

[scenic mist]

Okay I’m just going crazy then

[maiden pasture]

only 3 years for me 😎

but i did a masters so mayb same age

[eager raft]

wcl uses some custom ass definition of median

[pallid bay]

how so

[jade flume]

They dont know what a median is either...

[scenic mist]

I believe they take the median or if odd sample size and the mean of the 2 center values if even sample size

Could be wrong

[maiden pasture]

if odd sample size u just take the middle

[jade flume]

Wait, if i had 2 parses then median is average

[pallid bay]

yeah

[jade flume]

I knew it was the same thing

[maiden pasture]

if even sample size u take halfway between 2 middles

thats how median works

[jade flume]

And u guys gaslighted me

[pallid bay]

if even its add middle divide by 2

[pallid bay]

[jade flume]

Never gonna trust dreamgrove agane

[scenic mist]

Literally in the copy pasta

To not trust Sune

What did u expect

[eager raft]

According to my math my median should be about 4 points higher than wcl has it

[scenic mist]

Historic parse or today’s ?

[eager raft]

I assume it’s historic

[maiden pasture]

ink

link

[eager raft]

But if it’s today’s I’d expect it to be lower

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/94496414?

My math has my median at 88.5

[pallid bay]

i have to wait for ctrl+f to finish

[eager raft]

Wcl has it 84.7

[scenic mist]

Show maths

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-lazy-lazy-manul-sleep-gif-26516029

[scenic mist]

Did u count every kill or just best

[vale pebble]

its all

[eager raft]

did every kill

[scenic mist]

I know, just checking

[eager raft]

I’m at work so I’m about to take a picture of my monitor

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-gif-22066197

[paper ember]

Dont forget to turn your flash on for extra brightness

[maiden pasture]

this is the average of ur medians, its giving u slightly more because i assume its not using integers only

med perf average is just the average of ur medians for the fights

[eager raft]

AH

That explains it

[maiden pasture]

so the average of these

[eager raft]

Average of medians

Roger that

[scenic mist]

[eager raft]

Still think that’s a weird way for them to choose to do it

But now I understand

[scenic mist]

Use all star points instead

[dire osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-burrito-burrito-gif-27664931

[scenic mist]

@pallid bay

[vale pebble]

the sheet will not have that much purpose then will it now

[jade flume]

Warcraft logs already has all star points ranking

[jade flume]

Gg my phone just got hacked

[vale pebble]

he has ur credit card information

[jade flume]

Couldve just asked

[vale pebble]

he doesnt need to

[eager raft]

I’ll pass but thanks!

[maiden pasture]

its weird to take median and then after median take average ye, but it's also w.e

[eager raft]

Ye doesn’t matter really

They should delete my logs from the first couple weeks when I didn’t know how to play my spec tho

[deft crown]

what is point when we replace DISC? Myth track belt with socket?

[maiden pasture]

when your sim tells you to

myth track without socket often sims higher alreayd if you get a good one

[deft crown]

yeah i mean, generally a hero track belt sims higher, but i wasnt sure if sim actually considers the DISC proc

[maiden pasture]

you can see on a sim if it does

[deft crown]

oh then i must be blind, gotta check that again, thanks

[maiden pasture]

here for example in my quick sim

[dreamy locust]

Or reworded, noob prog, farm player GG

[sand shell]

Hi, astral antenna is better than azhicar trinket ?

[dreamy locust]

Wlogs needs to add an avg prog kill performance number, because who tf cares how much dmg you do on farm bosses

can I get an amen

[maiden pasture]

who cares if you padded on a prog kill

[dreamy locust]

You think you gotta pad to parse well on prog?

[maiden pasture]

i think there are often a number of fights where playing for parses and playing in the most efficient way to kill the boss are not the same

[eager raft]

🤨

[dreamy locust]

Sure, but prog parses, is like 5x better info than regular farm parses, neither of which mean good player

Its just a cursory glance tool

[maiden pasture]

wanting to see prog logs can be valuable but its not a perfect metric, there is no perfect numerical metric for how someone performs as a player

[eager raft]

dude is just yapping

[dreamy locust]

I am a yapper, but im yappin the gospel

[scenic mist]

This

Hence most of the time boss dmg parse is the most relevant metric

But not always, like OAB

[pallid bay]

Prog parses for me is like

[maiden pasture]

ye

loomithar too

[pallid bay]

Yeah u get 25

Or 100

[scenic mist]

I’m feral this tier so…

[eager raft]

on prog your parse is against like 30 other people max idk if you understand how it works man

[scenic mist]

[maiden pasture]

both specs dont want to hit the tangles either way

or

[scenic mist]

Ye

I do precisely 0 dmg to tangles

[maiden pasture]

we killed nexus king

im not in for dimmy

i have respecced

[scenic mist]

Gz

[maiden pasture]

i will not be playing cat spec anymore

[scenic mist]

Sadge

[maiden pasture]

this was like 1.5 weeks ago now tbf but ty

2 more raid night and dimmy is deadge

[scenic mist]

1.5week late gz

[pallid bay]

Idk if u're on farm for a while

[scenic mist]

Ddos the other Druid

[pallid bay]

And can't get good parses

Gg

You're not him

[maiden pasture]

the resto

[scenic mist]

I mean
I’m not even trying on bosses like souldbinder and araz
No way I’m padding

[pallid bay]

The parses themselves mean very little

[dreamy locust]

I mean I like looking at prog logs and parses, when you just glancing at like apps before you start log delving

[jade flume]

Parses are life

[maiden pasture]

if ur looking at prog logs thats already delving into logs

[dreamy locust]

On paper, would you rather take someone who gray parses all of prog and 99s farm, or a 60-70 prog parser who just stops caring for farm and never improves

[pallid bay]

Neither

[dreamy locust]

I mean, you need to look at more than their damage number to actually take a look at someone

[eager raft]

neither are relevant

[dreamy locust]

Its definitely relevant and easy to diagnose some players from a glance

Nay-sayers

[pallid bay]

Not if they avg 60

[maiden pasture]

at face value high logs overall tell you someone can, if needed, play their spec well on a dummy. and you need that as a skill.

prog logs tell you if they can do it in prog environment AND also can tell you if they are willing to play for the sake of prog and not parses

but at the point where ur looking at prog logs, ur already looking into them

[dreamy locust]

You are being pedantic saying "its all looking at logs"

There's a big difference of how much you look into someones logs

[ionic surge]

Looking at prog logs is without a doubt more effort than 99% of people will put in when checking someone's profile

[dire osprey]

lets be real if ur grey parsing every prog kill ur prob not getting 99s on rekills

anyway

[vale pebble]

[dreamy locust]

Theres a lot of players like that, dps monkeys who either dying or pink parsin

But often just floor

[eager raft]

kinda just depends when u kill it on prog

[ionic surge]

This

[vale pebble]

usually its

first into 2nd

then decide

[maiden pasture]

if ur parsing 60-70 on farm thats not "not caring" thats just playing ur spec wrong

[dreamy locust]

That's just not true at all xd

[maiden pasture]

even if u dont care for parsing, if u know how to play ur spec ur often averaging 95+ without doing any weird parse stuff

[eager raft]

?

[vale pebble]

it for sure is not caring

[dreamy locust]

Plenty of fights are about cd timings or how much pie on certain things you can get on farm

Literally just dont care about those things on farm

who care boss die

[vale pebble]

if i dont care i go in hold down 1 2

and get a blue

[maiden pasture]

ur going into raid week after week playing ur spec incorrectly and shouldnt be taken seriously because you claim you can play it right you just dont care

[vale pebble]

who cares

[eager raft]

but the point was that that player looks more attractive from a recruiting pov

[dreamy locust]

a 70 parse on farm does not equate to playing a spec wrong

[vale pebble]

but yes id rather take 2nd

or take first bench him on prog

[pallid bay]

Obviously it can all depend on what boss it is

[eager raft]

why would you want to recruit someone who puts in zero effort on rekills and farm just because they lucked into a 95 on farm

[maiden pasture]

its also just not a real scenario, taking it to extremes when both of those players are shit XD

[dreamy locust]

Because farm is useless doggy boring content

[maiden pasture]

the answer is reject them both

[pallid bay]

But if you're 70 parsing loom plexus fractillus soul hunter

[dreamy locust]

Who cares how you perform on it

[vale pebble]

let them not play farm imo

[pallid bay]

Consistently

[vale pebble]

and they chill on some other game

until 1month before prog

plenty of ppl like that

that will just care way more on prog if they are let to do that

[dreamy locust]

I feel like with this take you dont look at apps much, plenty of players

with these kind of logs

[eager raft]

you have to rekill bosses to get back to the boss you’re progging on

[drifting nova]

extend

[vale pebble]

ok but he means on farm not prog

[drifting nova]

you donkey

[dreamy locust]

I played boomy with a normal weapon for mythic soul hunters 2nd kill

boss just flopped over

and we wanted another range

Most farm is a joke

[eager raft]

He means any kill other than your first kill

[jade flume]

If u parse 70 ur a noober straight up

[ionic surge]

Yea no, you can press every button on cd and get 95+ on farm if you know what you're doing, timings help you get 99s-100s but thats it

[pallid bay]

Real talk

[vale pebble]

@jade flume 🔬

[jade flume]

I am resto noober so it checks out

[pallid bay]

Gg

[eager raft]

if someone gets a 95 on their first kill, then 65 for the next 5 weeks of reclearing to get back to prog boss that player is dog shit

regardless of their first kill

[dreamy locust]

[dreamy locust]

[pallid bay]

Idk if u don't care about parses

And don't care about your performance

And don't care about farm

[dire osprey]

[pallid bay]

Why tf you playing

[eager raft]

like I said from the start the dude is just yapping

[ionic surge]

Maybe his prog lasts 3 months who knows

[eager raft]

Just typing words and pressing enter

Zero thoughts

[dreamy locust]

I mean your metric of bad players is just brainless

[vale pebble]

@dreamy locust u got flamed for having a blue log on fractillus fess up bud

[dreamy locust]

I got a couple hundos sugma

[vale pebble]

?

[jade flume]

You wouldnt say that at lan buddy

[pallid bay]

how u having 100s when everything sucks and is bad and u dont care

[dreamy locust]

I only said farm parses/performance

And not performance

just parses actually

[pallid bay]

oh are we measuring your ability to do mechanics on farm

or what is the performance u speak of

[dreamy locust]

Like plenty of people who try to parse on farm and make bosses take multiple pulls, to get back to a prog fight

[ionic surge]

[dreamy locust]

Terrible players in reality

[jade flume]

Prog is only there so u can get to farm to parse

[maiden pasture]

real and true

[ionic surge]

Based

[lucid olive]

Wtf

[pallid bay]

im like the first one to give up a parse when things go bad

but until that moment im playing my spec

[lucid olive]

Only farm I care about is followed up by ville

Anyone else

[ionic surge]

Maybe Maya was right

[dreamy locust]

Preach

[eager raft]

people who try to parse on farm and add pulls = bad

people who try to parse on prog and add pulls = good

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-lazy-lazy-manul-sleep-gif-26516029

[lucid olive]

That's crazy you can't say that

[mental plume]

Yo guys, I've been hearing there is some macro tech with Jasper's Diamond. How does it work and is it worth to do?

[ionic surge]

Me when I said that

[dreamy locust]

Comprehension 0

[eager raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[lofty depot]

Unequip and requip

Worth, uhh sometimes ring bugs

[dreamy locust]

Im psure you can just swap ring slots

Wasn't there a weakaura that tracked bug?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[dreamy locust]

Id just get that, or drop for stam and less headache

[mental plume]

So do i just equip and unequip before combat?

[lofty depot]

Yep

Or just get a better ring

[leaden birch]

i feel insulted

[dreamy locust]

Projecting

[lofty depot]

Do u think one of those boomkins is playing incorrectly or

[dreamy locust]

Idk, You want me to make best guess based on no info? Id say looks fine as is

[lofty depot]

Ud be wrong

[jade flume]

Gary looks like padder to me

[lofty depot]

Fractilly padding

So smart

[paper ember]

Gary is clearly on farm while apchicken still progging

[lofty depot]

Well that's cuz he doesn't care

[paper ember]

[jade flume]

The real problem with that picture

Why is there 2 druids

[lofty depot]

It's not for the lack of Gary trying to teach him

[jade flume]

When buff doesnt stack

[dreamy locust]

Well thank god I never claimed to be able to know someones rotational ability from a random no context log

[jade flume]

Makes u thinks

[dreamy locust]

Where convoke

[ionic surge]

You should

[lofty depot]

The context of caring vs not

[ionic surge]

[paper ember]

Good rotation usually indicates good parse

[lofty depot]

Well indicates caring about playing well

Which is funny cuz he said he wanted to work on getting his parses up

[paper ember]

apchicken doesnt give af. Gary will carry them

[ionic surge]

Are you guys happy

[leaden birch]

my prog lasts months and I consistently care

[dreamy locust]

I feel like even usually is too strong a word

[ionic surge]

Arctic has been awoken

[leaden birch]

i don't know how to feel right now

[paper ember]

https://tenor.com/view/denethor-flee-for-your-lives-gif-18271134100513318125

[ionic surge]

Get good results --> apply to better guild --> feel happier

[lofty depot]

I promise half my guild plays their class incorrectly cuz they don't care and don't try

[ionic surge]

I promise over half of your guild plays their class incorrectly because I know the type of apes you play with

[wicked shuttle]

Only half?

[lofty depot]

3/4?

18/20?

[paper ember]

ape together strong

[wicked shuttle]

I’m pretty sure everybody in your guild plays their class incorrectly on some level

[lofty depot]

Nah I play correctly

The fuck

[dreamy locust]

Regrowth and bearform cast check

Not bear form every mechanic?

Incorrect

[vale pebble]

hopeful pilot

[lofty depot]

I live so is correct

Nah true I'm shit,

[wicked shuttle]

Idk I think the skill ceiling on specs is so high that even RWF players just do the wrong thing

[lofty depot]

I casted regrowth this week on fractilly

[dreamy locust]

I had like 3 people stack and kill me in p3 dimensius gravity, and I brought up positions assigned

and I got hit with a did you go bearform

[vale pebble]

[ionic surge]

Curse of playing boomkin

[vale pebble]

i look goop and sang

first 30s on dimensum

both just doing diff random shit

[dreamy locust]

you mean the dev evoker players?

[jade flume]

Tettles did u like fireman in fellowship

[vale pebble]

yea

[dreamy locust]

We don't claim dragon abusers

[wicked shuttle]

Ya! Was fun

[lofty depot]

I saw tettles top damage in his guild on an alt, so clearly his guild shit players

Gonna go make fun of session now

[vale pebble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808493596562948120/1419870382051037396/GiFShitposting-1970125934092251459-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[jade flume]

It was really fun but never got to finish adept 7 ggs

[wicked shuttle]

I put in a ridiculous amount of work to not be a burden on that boss LOL

[jade flume]

Gotta wait for EA

[lofty depot]

Now ur carrying

[vale pebble]

does that game scale amount of abilities the mobs do per key level

cause it for sure felt like that

[wicked shuttle]

Mobs get additional abilities sometimes

And then affixes on a per stage basis

[vale pebble]

what does sometimes mean

[lofty depot]

More abilities past +10 or

[vale pebble]

randomly when u enter a key or key level

[wicked shuttle]

Like really early on they’ll have fewer abilities, yeah

[vale pebble]

yea ok

[lofty depot]

Or are you talking from m0 to 2

[vale pebble]

thats peak

[vale pebble]

ye like that

we were doing likea. 3

then we entered a 4

[lofty depot]

Yee

[wicked shuttle]

Im talking like going from contenders to champion

[vale pebble]

and mobs started doing more abilities

somethin like that

[wicked shuttle]

There’s an affix that gives mobs more abilities

[lofty depot]

Yea, harder content

[wicked shuttle]

Ya

[jade flume]

Yeah between tiers theres more mechanics on bosses

[vale pebble]

ye thats peak lowkey

[wicked shuttle]

But it’s not all mobs

[jade flume]

And as tettles said theres affixes for mobs

That make them spicier

[vale pebble]

yea we thought we phased a boss too fast on low key level

[lofty depot]

Which is still funny they take away an ability to do from 10 to 12

[vale pebble]

so we didnt see it

[jade flume]

Its a really fun game, just not sure about longevity, theyd have to do a lot between seasons imo

[vale pebble]

my grp disliked it

fun for 2 days for sure

d3 season type beat

get item fun

rest pretty eh

[eager raft]

@brave gulch thoughts??

[lofty depot]

@fossil parcel

[jade flume]

Yeah its a seasonal game, not sure about longevity

They would have to add stuff between seasons

[brave gulch]

what the helly

weird flame....

[lofty depot]

I SAID I WAS GONNA FLAME 1 PERSON

[vale pebble]

ye if its more like poe than wow m+ its goog

[lofty depot]

because I know him

[vale pebble]

hate how wow does m+ lowk

[eager raft]

There was one boss that actually got pretty hard with added abilities. Not sure if it was in the beta or just playtest tho

[jade flume]

Wow m+ is ass lets be real...

[vale pebble]

where it peaks legit last week of the season

very weird

m+ is fun furst 2 weeks

[dreamy locust]

Race to world last title

[lofty depot]

RWL big content

[jade flume]

Minigames in eternal palace zone> m+ minigame

[dreamy locust]

Does M+ title have a mount now or anything, or still just a title

[vale pebble]

nothing can compare to lorgok stream on a wed

in that patch

[dreamy locust]

I need a carrot on the stick,

and a title aint it

[vale pebble]

glad mount would go insaner

but yea

[dreamy locust]

Its crazy to me they havent added a glad M+ mount, or some other rewards

[jade flume]

Man this last title is so ass too

Enterpriser hero or sth

[dreamy locust]

I gotta imagine thats what keeps their player base going more than anything

[jade flume]

Aint equipping that shit on my chars

[dreamy locust]

I mainly just a mythic raid enjoyer, but I feel like

[vale pebble]

titles r bad lowkey tho no?

[dreamy locust]

Mythic raid becoming the mini-game, playerbase wise

[vale pebble]

i never use titles

[dreamy locust]

Yeah its crap

[vale pebble]

ruins the funny name