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lofty depot
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u have the wrong embell on ur staff

buoyant siren
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what i used as resto in season 2 lmfao

lofty depot
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well

lofty depot
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u also have the wrong stats

buoyant siren
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oh no

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dont look bracers

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okay I am just dumb

lofty depot
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yes ik

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im fixing it

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ur also using a haste ring

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also depths is no longer what u use

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u also didnt check this

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also change that to latest

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anyway

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im going to sleep, have fun with this in about an hour

buoyant siren
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lol thanks homie

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new to simming and min maxing like this

lofty depot
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i assumed so, which is why i sent pictures and ran it for u

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assuming u dont have 16m iterations

pastel lake
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just wondering if KOG would be good in M+? since i can multi and single target

lofty depot
pastel lake
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🤣 gotcha. Also any tips on WA or addon for a fellow boomy haha

lofty depot
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oibalance, in compendium

sick laurel
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what is the new weapon enchant btw ? i dont see in pin or compendium

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1 one of the 3 stats?

uneven knot
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hello fellas, im back with druid after 2 seasons, i see a good combos with Staff and one hand + trinket, my question is, its not better offhand with asc + dagger and trinket? cusa i see on compendium they suggest a craft a staff. any can fast explain please ?

lofty depot
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its not new, u just use one of the secondary stat ones

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guile or stonebound i have found to be he best

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stonebound being good for both st and aoe, i just use it

sick laurel
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perf

lofty depot
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apparently got buffed

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the oh is only good if u know u can get the myth main hand

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otherwise u craft staff

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its also, crest efficient early in the season to craft staff, so most people should craft staff first

uneven knot
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ty, i just think causa i got the main hand on nm and the trinket on Hc, but yeah

lofty depot
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oh + mh requires 120 gilded to get to 720 and 723

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staff is the total stats of 2 items and only takes 60 gilded

lofty depot
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doesnt mean the normal or heroic version of that item is

uneven knot
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yeah for start i agree on 2 hand craf its better, thnx

lofty depot
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for ur knowledge, in raid we use different stats to minmax than m+.. u can use mastery + haste for a little less damage in raid

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but its better in m+

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most of us just swap neck and rings

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surely i get voidglass spire to drop next week :/

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ight actually going to sleep 🙂

sick laurel
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lies

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ull be back in 5min

lofty depot
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surely not

lucid olive
potent cargo
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he in fact did not go to sleep

waxen tundra
scenic mist
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And yes these special weapons just do so much damage

waxen tundra
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Thanks for the info.
Simmed them at the start of the season and they were a dps loss for me.
Maybe need to start simming them again.

scenic mist
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Start of the season, had you already crafted the staff, would indeed have been voidglass+1embel vs staff+embels
Might have been tightier
But now with 4th spark it’s more straight forward

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Ideally you’d get kriss+crafted oh tho

rose onyx
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Not sure if this is the right place, if not, my bad. Let me know and I'll post in the correct place.
I need some feedback on what I'm doing wrong.

Currently, I have got 714 ilvl, I feel I do ok in m+ but deffo have prio'd mastery then haste in my gear, am currently trying to pick up a little bit of crit and reduce haste a little bit to hope that helps improve my dps.

I seem to really struggle on rights where I have to move and some of my timings are off. Sometimes it feels like I'm hitting like a wet noodle, I want to say I'm good at keeping sunfire & moonfire up.

Here's a latest log from hc last night if anyone can spot anything obvious.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hqjtYAVg6nPkJHMK?type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0

Trying to ignore that ilvl parse being grey accross the board, just feels like I'm doing something drastically wrong.

I enjoy boomie, I just feel sometimes I'm lacking the boom.

pallid bay
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well you're lacking an on-use trinket

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you're also lacking an understanding of how your tierset works

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and how to do effective damage

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this is quite pointless

dire osprey
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gotta read up on opener

sudden flame
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18 mil burst opener MONKA nerf this spec man

dire osprey
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yea its clearly broken

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expecting nerfs to tierset soon

fossil hemlock
green meteor
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How do you push adds to the hole in mythic araz? Any specific timing?

dire osprey
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typhoon

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idk theres a note with timing u should prob be using

green meteor
warm valley
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Boomie too far from bottom in pure ST, 8% aura nerf inbound

dire osprey
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hunter/mage/evoker

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any1 with a decent knock

green meteor
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Sham?

bitter urchin
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Druid does have lower CD on knockback tho

dire osprey
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sham is prob too aggressive of a knock

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it shots mobs in all directions

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or well feels like it anyway

sudden flame
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just run behind the void tear these days

dire osprey
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we just used druids and hunters mostly

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can also run behind yea but melee prob start whining

rose onyx
craggy lantern
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Do I send my Fury of Elune on CD regardless of how many Gathering Moonlights stacks i have, or do I sit on it untill i have 6 stacks?

maiden pasture
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send on CD

snow elm
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in lfr can you roll need on an item you already have the same of?

jade flume
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Depends. If its exactly the same item then only if it rolls a tertiary

maiden pasture
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you're not supposed to be able to but theres some weird shit that happens

jade flume
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You can roll on leech trinket if u have the same one without

ivory sedge
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Hi guys! I have noobish question: should I use starsurge or starfall on 2 mobs in m+?

drifting nova
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starsurge prob

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idk the last time I was only in combat with 2 tbh

ivory sedge
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for example you have 2 mobs in the pack which survives longer then others

ivory sedge
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Thanks!

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2+ means 2 and more like [2, )

pastel lake
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hi dont mind entertaining myy weird questions im running simC~

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so i noticed having astra with para is better than lily with para?

round field
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For one your sim is weird as fuck

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16m dps means ur simming something like 5 targets 5 minutes which isnt a very reliable sim

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But also double passive trinket is good for elunes chosen

jade flume
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Thats single targit

round field
jade flume
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Bamkin is just that strong

round field
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Cant wait for midnight lvl squish

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So i can get bis trinket for 62 dps upgrade!!

maiden pasture
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i unironically am a big fan of number squishes

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im not part of the big number = fun group

pastel lake
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so usually what would u sim with for a much accurate data?

pallid bay
maiden pasture
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i get same dopamine from 500-1000 as 500k-100k, just bigger number pointless

jade flume
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Bigger is better

drifting nova
obsidian jetty
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big number is relative

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500 is big if you're hitting for 50s

severe hollow
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Like what's the dif between 10m and 10b gotta abbreviate those numbers anyway

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But 100 and 100000 big dif

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Lots of 0s

maiden pasture
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fr

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me when instead of crit for 100 its crit for 100408

drifting nova
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wouldnt have to squish every xpac if they paced ilvl brackets like humans

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(yes delete lfr)

ionic surge
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I like millys

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More is too big

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Less is too small

round field
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Need bigger numbers

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Crash my pc when i crit a 4p surge

dire osprey
full hill
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yo - any good m+ balance druid streamers?

jade flume
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Krona did a couple of keys recently

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Not sure if dwilk is still on bamkin dream

pallid bay
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impossible to say based on that alone

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what was going on in the key

jade flume
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If bearform would save you then you should bearform

pallid bay
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did you and your group use defensives properly

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did anything go wrong during the boss

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did you pull divers and forgot to kick

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in general its good to prevent yourself from dying in the capacity possible in order to time the key

potent cargo
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both coulda pressed ur defensives to live the only thing that hurt

full hill
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Is there a good way to sim for M+ pulls to see best rotation?

vital hound
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hps issue

craggy sonnet
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While the healer likely could have played it better as well.. trying to help out and prevent yourself from dying is always a good idea

delicate perch
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100% chance you could've helped more, healer is a crybaby though

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also no coms keystones is mental illness

craggy sonnet
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And this boss do be hard for most healer specs

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So for the sets you do not have bark for, popping into bear and getting 1-2 frenzied ticks in is very reasonable to consider

dire osprey
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that boss is fucking shit

lofty depot
full hill
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Oh, how are you supposed to use sims for rotation then?

lofty depot
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U arent

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Go look at the prio list and put it into practice either on some target dummies or in some random key 10. Log the key and then post the log and we can run down what ur doing wrong

full hill
lofty depot
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Depending what he pulled, this is no whear near enough adds dotted

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Add that unless ur sure you're keeping dreamstate stacks with those wrath casts I just wouldn't do it

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Then you foe before incarn

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Then press incarn on the Starfall press

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Then u generally have dreamstate stacks so u cast 1-2 starfires, and woe (as u did)

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Ur only getting 8 starfires in your incarn

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That's 3 less than you should

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  1. You don't need to enter eclipse before pressing incarn. You're wasting dreamstate stacks
  2. You don't have foe for that incarn because you're not pressing enough starfires in your CDs presumably
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Sent foe at the end of a pack, now dont have it for next

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Again, (I assume most people aren't precasting properly so I bring it up) but there's not a 2 mob pull in this dungeon so u likely aren't dotting enough

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And then again yea it'll just be a recurring thing.

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Seems like ur sunfiring too early and should be moonfiring until they're stacked

full hill
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Thanks thats actually great

lofty depot
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This whole minute sequence

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Like idk what's going on cuz I'm not watching the replay, but a lot of just spamming dots and doing no damage

full hill
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Yeah I think I panick during movement quite a bit and just recast dots

lofty depot
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Casted 8 starfires in 45 seconds

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On avg in those pictures u casted 2 starfires an eclipse

full hill
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:S

lofty depot
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That's just giga bad

full hill
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takeaways are - moonfire before sunfire, sort out my pull rotation (moonfire, sunfire, foe>incarn>starfall>sfwithdream>starfall>into rotation) and just cast starfire a whole lot more?

wise hare
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Just looks like mismanagement of your resources

full hill
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and actually dot things

wise hare
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You tend to panic when you have to dodge and instead of having something to cast you end up spamming dots for those gcds

full hill
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yeah

lofty depot
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This is ur opener on first boss

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Main point.
Dot him before sending your damage.

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Think it's a misunderstanding of where your damage comes from

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Should read your mastery and hero talents. Dotting important, foe increases damage done, Starfire biggest damage dealer

full hill
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well thoroughly understood now 😄

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thank you

jade flume
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What boss are you on now arctic

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Dimmy or

full hill
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Out of interest - is keeper of the grove better for bursty pulls in lower keys?

craggy sonnet
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maybe

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but does it matter

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?

lofty depot
lofty depot
jade flume
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Are you in or bench angel

lofty depot
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But keeper does zdps outside of cds

lofty depot
jade flume
lofty depot
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We 600+, why bench ur best player

jade flume
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Man bamkin on that dmg amp, feels good

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For a second u forget the spec is ass

lofty depot
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Yea but my ass spec is better than the 14 other DPS regardless

jade flume
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Shieet

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I need to loot voidcore and weapon asap

lofty depot
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Play with people that don't have hands >

jade flume
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Huge for both bamkin and resto

lofty depot
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Same

jade flume
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Luckily my resto doesnt need anything besides that

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So i will be just picking off spec gear in vault

lofty depot
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Well I'm not even like top 3 for the dagger

jade flume
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If i dont have any of those to pick

lofty depot
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So life is hard

jade flume
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I think im up there

lofty depot
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And we haven't seen 1 drop in 3 or 4 kills

jade flume
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Damn

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We had a lot i think

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Most people already have it

wise hare
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Just manipulate the sim

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Np

jade flume
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I think maybe 3-4 need it

wise hare
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Easy loot

jade flume
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Do you remember off the top off your head when is the last convoke in the 2x ca - ca - 2x ca

lofty depot
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Lol, time to change staff stats and enchant and gain 30k DPS randomly

jade flume
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Is it at like 4:30

lofty depot
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Yea cuz that's when amp is

jade flume
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Nah i mean on patchwerk

lofty depot
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Oh, depends what iteration u get

jade flume
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Our kill was 4:20(blaze it) but i think we 2 heal next week

lofty depot
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Cuz 20% diffy

jade flume
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So probably only 2 convoke angel or

lofty depot
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Potent uses it at like 420-430

jade flume
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If it goes even shorter

lofty depot
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But if u get a 4m sim it fucks

craggy sonnet
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you cant get double then

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but you can get another convoke

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with 420

jade flume
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Ye assuming it doesnt die even quicker

lofty depot
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If u have a 4m kill time u do double double

jade flume
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And it should if we dont have deaths

lofty depot
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And send CA convoke ca at like 330

craggy sonnet
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hmm

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not sure

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you could technically send 2-1-1

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jsut without trinket on last

lofty depot
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Like 350 or so

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Depends how much DPS ur actually gaining

craggy sonnet
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just run a sim with fixed time

jade flume
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I got benched this week, they were scared of bamkin topping dam i think

craggy sonnet
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it should spit out reasonable seq

lofty depot
craggy sonnet
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(probably)(maybe)

jade flume
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Tbf i benched myself to be in on soulbinder instead tettleslul

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Staff went to pres evoker tho

lofty depot
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What the

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Bro the ferals on soulbinder are clearly cheating

craggy sonnet
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so you went ahead to put yourself on soulbinder but didnt ask whether you would even get the staff?

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unlucky

jade flume
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They scammazed me

lofty depot
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Think next week I employ some ursols tech

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Gotta keep some adds alive for longer

jade flume
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I went full st on binder and still didnt get rank 1 boss dam

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Buff bamker

lofty depot
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Skill issue

pallid bay
hazy storm
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I hate nexus btw 🙂

lofty depot
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Why

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Fun boss watching your friends die to the same Lazer lineup for 3 hours

jade flume
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For the double trouble

lofty depot
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Yes

jade flume
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Gg

hazy storm
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We only got to laser lineup 3 times

jade flume
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I like nexus king

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Chill boss

hazy storm
jade flume
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Some afk on the platform

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Big dam on dmg amp

royal zenith
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I think nexus king is a fun fight

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we're just extremely useless for the way it's designed

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that's all

hazy storm
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Maybe it’s just prog rn; all 60 pulls have been P1 lmao

craggy sonnet
hazy storm
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Is that normal

lofty depot
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Useless if u mean platform damage

royal zenith
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that's normal

craggy sonnet
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cant remember if i just did that to streamline

royal zenith
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I wouldn't send cd's on platform

craggy sonnet
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or its actually better

lofty depot
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Ill likely send CDs on platform for prog til u consistently get to amp

jade flume
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Man bamkins will rise when we start killing bosses around 3:30

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Just need some crits

lofty depot
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But yea u generally don't send

royal zenith
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2x ca -> 1x ca before beams/porting -> no cd's on platform -> double ca + pot in dps boost -> w.e.

lofty depot
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Ye

hazy storm
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Just to get add phase down faster for prog

lofty depot
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Yessem, it's called seeing prog

hazy storm
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Yea

jade flume
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Depends if u have dps issues on platforms

hazy storm
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Gotcha

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Well we find out next week hopefully

lofty depot
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Likely will pot and send CDs cuz monkeys die too often

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Then slowly move the damage off

hazy storm
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But another week of vault/gear I don’t think we have. A problem

royal zenith
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DPS issues on platform for us were ironed out after 2/3 pulls in intermis

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without dps buff

jade flume
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But yeah early on you probably will be wiping to titan exploding

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Comp dependant though

royal zenith
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ye

jade flume
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Mages are crazy there

hazy storm
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How many pulls were your P1 prog?

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Approximately

craggy sonnet
royal zenith
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you will forever wipe in P1

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till you kill it

craggy sonnet
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because the CA without forge is just beans

hazy storm
lofty depot
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Yea dawg like 300 pull boss

royal zenith
lofty depot
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Gonna have to lock in bud

pallid bay
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bamkin is alright on nexus now no?

royal zenith
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yeah it's fine

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you are uselss on platform damge

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but that doesn't really affect much

lofty depot
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It's fine, don't need to bear form everything

hazy storm
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Adept asking pull 30 “is it dead yet?”

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Like no bro im hating my life

lofty depot
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Live soak natty, just bark a bad lineup with debuff + claw

hazy storm
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Yea I only had to bear when 1-2 healers were deadge

lofty depot
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Regrowth maybe

hazy storm
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Health pot first bark 2nd regrowth +lock stone third should be find

royal zenith
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You don't really have to bear invoke the oath either anymore

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I still do it for safety

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but yea

lofty depot
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Need to test again, but think u can live solo tank soak with ursine + regrowth + bark

royal zenith
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the fight is not super dangerous anymore

lofty depot
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Ye

royal zenith
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nah you don't have to pop shit for claws

eager raft
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u can’t get banishment and claw together

royal zenith
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that's crazy

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you take it natty and use renewal to top yourself

hazy storm
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I went bear for claws

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Just to charge in

royal zenith
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only if overlap with other claw you do something crazy defensive wise

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you can also cancel the animation mid claw

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just walk out

jade flume
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I just yell for ealers to eal

lofty depot
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I send bark cuz monkeys overlap

jade flume
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Always works in my favour

hazy storm
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I played feral for 6ish pulls and it didn’t feel too bad

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Maybe I convert

jade flume
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I played both but liked bamkin more

lofty depot
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Ew

jade flume
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But i think im just too dumb for feral

lofty depot
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Grow up

hazy storm
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Blow up

lofty depot
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U can however have banishment and get sniped by a claw

eager raft
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If ur bad maybe

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Should be way ahead of the claws as ranged if u have banishment

hazy storm
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Yea I always tried to position myself trailing boss to avoid baiting beam on soak position but no on top of melee

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Tried; I prolly fucked up a lot

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But we call that learning

pallid bay
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yeah if you get hit by a claw while having banishment you're prob standing around greeding casts

lofty depot
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I do be greeding casts

hazy storm
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That 2nd treants when claws come out I always greed

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Catch me wrathing in between 3 claws idc

lofty depot
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I also have the 50s roar :/

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Should make the fuggn rdr do it

hazy storm
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Same

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Or whenever the claws come out that’s my roar

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40-50 sec whatever

lofty depot
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Nah I roar the soak timing

hazy storm
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Are you 3 healing

lofty depot
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Not currently

hazy storm
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We tried both

eager raft
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Not much reason to 3 heal these days

lofty depot
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If we kill before October I'll be surprised

hazy storm
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Oh so am I coping thinking it’s dead next Thursday

lofty depot
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Yes

jade flume
lofty depot
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Unless ur extending Tues/wed/Thursday

hazy storm
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No 1 more reclear I think

jade flume
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P1 is hard for sure but when you get to p3 it really goes fast

hazy storm
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Which I think we need 2-3 more but

jade flume
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But people can grief arrows and smashes

hazy storm
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No point not to lock out atm imo

jade flume
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Just gotta make sure people know where to go with smashes, how far to spread out

lofty depot
jade flume
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And how to play starseekers

lofty depot
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Fuggn tswift all over again

eager raft
jade flume
lofty depot
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Just run past it dawg holy

jade flume
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At least

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Its legit the whole difficulty(almost)

lofty depot
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And greeding cast

jade flume
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Arent we all bad

lofty depot
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No

jade flume
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Bad boys

craggy sonnet
lofty depot
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Ye

craggy sonnet
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I only pulled the boss for an hour or so

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Played without

lofty depot
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Helps if u get first conq on pull

craggy sonnet
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But didn't feel all that great

jade flume
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What is cosmos

lofty depot
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Free surge/starfall from wrath/starfire

craggy sonnet
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And just go full St on platforms?

pallid bay
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i think so at least but i did like 3 pulls as boomie

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so you convoke while running

jade flume
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Never delay

pallid bay
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maybe u dont have for amp

lofty depot
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Could

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Also, weirdge with needing asp at the end

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With the knock up and timing

pallid bay
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it'd be like 12s delay or something i think

lofty depot
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Will have to look into it

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Amp is 30 long right?

jade flume
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I think so

lofty depot
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So should be up regardless

jade flume
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You would have to time it with dreamstate or lose dmg though

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I think so at least

lucid olive
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might not have time to send the convoke on the dragon in 1st intermission?

cerulean snow
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2 or 4 set?

jaunty blaze
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Huh

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Why do we not want 4 set

exotic perch
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you want 4 lol

wanton axle
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guys I want to craft a ring, the haste/vers ring sims minimaly (0.1%) higher than haste/mastery, which one should I craft to maybe also stay flexible in the future? 🤔

lofty depot
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What if the mastery vers one sim higher

wanton axle
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it doesnt

lofty depot
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Link sim

lofty depot
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Oh, we're simming ec

paper ember
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Depends on what youre siming for and the content youre wanting to "main" and the content you're wanting to flex

lofty depot
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I mean ur simming both rings and not 1

paper ember
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Youre also simming both rings. You should only be simming 1 because you wont have both

wanton axle
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mainly m+ i think, im also not too informed on everything

lofty depot
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Put 1 spark in your total at the top

wanton axle
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but when looking at the options below the haste/vers one is above all the other options where i only use one crafted, so cant i choose that one?

lofty depot
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Also, sim stonebound enchant not depths

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I mean u can take haste vers, just seems odd

paper ember
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It really comes down to the sim, but overall your mastery will benefit you the most in both M+ and raid. So I'd say thats the biggest flex stat.

wanton axle
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the difference doesnt seem big, so maybe i just take haste/mastery?

paper ember
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But also your "best" ring in the sim is going to differ based on your spec and your target count.

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If youre mostly doing M+ id just do haste/mastery then just get a different ring to switch out if you decide to raid

wanton axle
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ok ty 🙂

wanton axle
jaunty blaze
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Don't look at data aggregation sites for gear decisions

#

Or at all really

lofty depot
#

At all really

wanton axle
#

oh i see

lofty depot
#

Its also old data

wanton axle
#

i mean i always sim before but i get it

lofty depot
#

So not only useless, but old useless

paper ember
#

The worst kind of useless Despair

wanton axle
#

so should i also sim the enchant?

lofty depot
#

"I always sim before I get it"

#

"should I sim"

#

Hmmm

wanton axle
#

alright thanks

pastel lake
#

Hi me again!! Need some advise understand I’m suppose to cast sunfire and moon fire to all ads. But sometimes I struggle placing all moon fire on them and I would reduce my DPS by a crazy amount to catch up . would yall ensure to moon fire every mob? And is there an easier way for me to track if the whole pack has been DOT by moon and sun?

lofty depot
#

If they live long enough u should be dotting them

pastel lake
#

Is there a tip or advise on clocking all my moon and sun on them? Sometimes I lost track LOL kinda stupid but yea tryna get used to it

craggy sonnet
#

gotta make sure you have a good way of seeing your dots on the nameplates

#

for some, they just track it via icons

#

maybe have them placed in a better position

#

some like to have their nameplates / the name text / border change color based on if the mob is dotted

#

there are plenty of plater profiles out there that you can choose from. and plenty of separate mods you can find on wago as well

pastel lake
#

Ahhh is there a current plate u use for your boomy? That sounds legit

#

Currently my plater only tells me which to standby kicks

lofty depot
#

Jundies

#

My eyes

upper anvil
#

You have eyes?

fervent wing
jaunty blaze
#

when do you ever fight 5 bosses for 2 minutes

fervent wing
#

i wanted to select a pack of 5

#

for this instance

jaunty blaze
#

check the faq in the compendium for recommended sims for m+

#

this doesnt help much

fervent wing
#

will do and get bacl withr results thanks

lofty depot
#

i mean u should choose idk any gems

fervent wing
#

pick everything?

lofty depot
#

welll u ran a sim

fervent wing
#

for the sim

lofty depot
#

and picked 2

fervent wing
#

will do

#

thanks

lofty depot
#

so like the difference between 2

#

and any

#

add the problem that ur simming 5t 2m

#

simming weekly not latest

#

not checking boxes

fervent wing
#

i can choose only 13 gems even with an account

lofty depot
#

ok so pick some

#

trial by fire

fervent wing
#

will see what top players use and ill add all of them

#

thanks for the guidance will be back with answers

pallid bay
#

just click the mastery ones

lofty depot
#

well the haste ones too

#

hes doing a funny sim

terse glen
#

@wicked shuttle wowhead guide appears to be down

lofty depot
#

surely

normal pilot
#

unlucky banned by wowhead?

lofty depot
#

isp banned wowhead

lucid olive
#

must be serbian

dense steeple
#

Honestly a blessing in disguise wowhead is a plague these days

gray bluff
#

Looking through logs, I've seen many people able to line up a CA - Convoke - CA window at around the 4 min mark in fights. I haven't been able to reproduce that. Anyone have any suggestions?

dense steeple
#

Check your talents

gray bluff
#

They look the same to me when comparing it to others

#

OH, nevermind!

dense steeple
delicate perch
#

He said what he said

dense steeple
# lucid olive speak on that

Ads on ads, dogshit takes in the comments from terrible players who think they could win the m+ invitional or awc, more ads, click bait articles that link to other click bait articles

#

Don't forget half guide writers only look at their guide for approximately 10 minutes per season

#

So as bugs get fixed or things change the guide is just wrong for 90% of the season

undone grove
fossil hemlock
#

"complex game"

dense steeple
#

It's complex in how shit the coding is for sure

dense steeple
lucid olive
#

the owners of wowhead are shit

#

but WoW is a very small game so it makes sense why its run like that

#

to maximize profits

fossil hemlock
#

How difficult would it be to change the APL to support 1 min convoke? I was just curious how it would do with the shorter opener but it still only uses convoke every 2 minutes during CA

lucid olive
#

the structures of their class guide pages suck too

lucid olive
#

but you coudl disable that one and run the old season 2 apl and itd work ish

fossil hemlock
#

Hmm... I was just thinking if short convoke could still fill the first CA and get 1 second less of Araz decay

#

But it might not be significant enough to put effort into it

normal pilot
#

what if you don't use trinket until end of first dryad

maiden pasture
ebon sail
#

For M+, should I ever aim for more haste than mastery?

jaunty blaze
#

if the robot says so yes

slim iris
#

Only good thing is the guide writers

lucid olive
#

there are some stinker class guides on there

hazy storm
#

I hope arctics having a good day man.

lofty depot
#

Ur the only one

teal sphinx
lofty depot
teal sphinx
lucid olive
#

oh wait thats you

#

nvm

lofty depot
#

Nice

ebon sail
#

Anywhere got a good list of trinket rankings for M+ as compared to raid? As not sure how to sim M+ best in raidbots.

I'm currently running antenna and delve essence gorger trinket. But I have Lilly, Empowering crystal, and So'leah's to use at alternatives.

ebon sail
mighty mica
lofty depot
#

@meager storm

#

new glorp dropped

#

(old, but new)

potent cargo
#

icyveins does revenue sharing of ads with their guide writers

#

wowhead just out here taking advantange of everyone

normal pilot
#

sounds like blizz

#

perfect website to match the company/game/players

meager storm
#

finally a glorp emote

#

maybe its time to come back

drifting nova
#

hypothetically

#

if there was an addon to auto apply to keys

#

would it be tos

vital hound
#

thats mint

#

@potent cargo how much did you get paid for the maxroll ai slop

potent cargo
#

did it for free just to fuck with the community Kappa

vital hound
round oracle
#

should be fine if that kind of addon was possible

drifting nova
round oracle
#

lul

drifting nova
#

blizzard says they block it but they just dont

round oracle
#

wonder how close the automaticrolecheck is to that

drifting nova
#

it's crucial to understand that creating a fully automated addon that signs up for groups without any user interaction (like a button click) is against World of Warcraft's Terms of Service and is prevented by the game's API.

#

so that was a lie

round oracle
#

yeah in the past I remember even autohotkey being marketed as allowed if it was setup so that you have to manually atleast move your mouse or anything for the script to do things

drifting nova
#

at the very least

round oracle
#

but its impossible to know if it is setup like that for them

drifting nova
#

increase the cap from 5

#

thats the real crime

round oracle
#

yep

dense steeple
#

increase from 5? why so i can sit queued for 10 dungeons for 5 minutes straight instead? no thanks

drifting nova
#

yes

#

so you dont sit in waitlist for 5mins

#

for half the dungeons

#

basic maths

dense steeple
#

yeah so instead i sit in waitlist for double the amount of dungeons for 5 minutes. basic maths PogCat

drifting nova
#

it'd actually be fine at 5 if declines happened more often

#

but waitlisting for an expire

#

is dumb

#

mechanically

dense steeple
#

i dont sdisagree

#

but you know for a fact blizzards stance will be "thats a people failure not a game failure"

drifting nova
#

blizzard and accountability

#

big shock

meager veldt
#

does boomkin care about DR with mastery? had a friend ask and didnt know the answer ? id assume not cuz all the logs say boomy is sitting at 23k-24k and thats like 3k over DR

lucid olive
#

no

#

the short answer is to sim your character and not worry about DR as anything other than a fun tidbit

meager veldt
#

right thats what i said just wanted to make sure 😄

lucid olive
#

"lol silly spec gains more dam by going into 3rd DR!!" is about the extent you should consider it

normal pilot
#

DR is for blizz devs, not for players

#

it's so when some random item dev makes some grossly overpowered item the class devs don't get fucked

lofty depot
#

like every spec goes into the 3rd one

normal pilot
#

you used to have situations where item dev would make X without ever considering what impact it woudl ahve on classes

#

and then the class devs would have to deal with that

#

so now htey put in DR to basically curb their own bad impulses

meager veldt
#

lol

drifting nova
#

read the thread last night of why interrupts arent baseline

#

really makes you think

lucid olive
tepid mountain
delicate perch
remote orbit
#

How fun would be for lremix for balance druid ?

dense steeple
#

idk just reopen the closed tab

delicate perch
pallid bay
dense steeple
#

little if true

stiff bolt
#

so do anyone of you know how strong a "full moon" boomkin build is?

dense steeple
#

yeah about as good as i've heard of that phrase

#

couldnt be further apart

delicate perch
#

not strong enough for anyone to try cook it

drifting nova
#

SuspiciousChicken I've just witnessed first hand a company somehow worse than blizzard at taking my money

#

a true spectacle

dense steeple
#

which one

drifting nova
#

EA

#

lol

delicate perch
#

niantic far worse

dense steeple
#

you guys dont even know

drifting nova
#

bought reg fifa, wanted to upgrade bc reg isnt out for a week

dense steeple
#

niantic wishes it was other mobile game companies

drifting nova
#

they literally wont upgrade me until it clears processing

#

and wont take 21 more

#

FOR it

dense steeple
#

i put like 8k into a mobile game over the last 2 years before finally giving into the light

delicate perch
drifting nova
#

hour to get a bot to ask for my name

#

who sent me to an agent

delicate perch
#

which one monkaShake

drifting nova
#

an hour later

dense steeple
#

whiteout survival

steel charm
#

I mean you already lost to EA when you bought fifa lol

delicate perch
#

is that the ad game where the person survives in the ice from the bear OMEGAKEKW

drifting nova
#

I just..they're greedy fucks

#

take my money

delicate perch
#

it fucking is ICANTT

drifting nova
#

and lemme HIT THE BALL

dense steeple
#

its amazing how bad the false advertising is

delicate perch
#

yeah no shit kekw

dense steeple
#

also

#

they have like 22 of them fuckers with different skins

drifting nova
#

fuck if I know when EAs bank will process it

dense steeple
#

all the packs are hte same, all the stats, the gear, he buffs

#

just a slightly dif skin

#

i started for the friendly wood chopping

drifting nova
dense steeple
#

got stuck in a leadership role and played for the people after 2 months

#

was trapped for 2 years

delicate perch
drifting nova
#

run escape

wicked shuttle
#

@sudden pawn

sudden pawn
#

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

vital hound
#

powerful

delicate perch
sudden pawn
normal pilot
dense steeple
#

and ima be honest

#

whatever people bitched about 9 years ago?

#

complete turn around. a company that has been workign their ass off for support

#

this game is fun as fuck

delicate perch
#

it's fellowship weekend anyway

#

wow who

stiff bolt
#

how is gury of elune and full moon "reduced dmg to secondary targets, calculated?

lucid olive
normal pilot
#

its 1/sqrt(t)

#

basically the worst aoe DR there is in the game

timber pine
#

Regret buying that spiritpack..... Looks so cool but then I look like a dingus when i go into moonkin... 🙁

drifting nova
#

sqft more like

normal pilot
#

the primary target gets no DR tho

#

moons / foe you basically treat as single target spells with some minor tickling

drifting nova
#

unrestrict full moons damage dropoff

lucid olive
drifting nova
#

the call of the stars is calling

#

full moon ec

#

moon or starfire?

#

find out next week

stiff bolt
#

starfall should extent stellar flare 🙁

drifting nova
#

had to look that up

#

forgot what it was

#

glad I forgot

stiff bolt
#

how big is damage difference between the 2 different mushroom talents?

drifting nova
#

theres a second talent?

wicked shuttle
#

lol

wicked shuttle
drifting nova
#

I wish the active shrooms were good

#

bring it back to like mop when they released

wicked shuttle
#

You lose more damage pressing the global than taking it and not pressing it

drifting nova
#

but gcd bloat

#

they auto explode right

#

not 2 buttons like mop

stiff bolt
wicked shuttle
drifting nova
#

surprised they didnt put the 2buttons back in

#

double jank is nice but what about triple

#

dps loss and more buttons

hazy storm
#

Remember S1 when we played the casted moon talents for a bit

#

What a time to be alive

iron chasm
hazy storm
#

good times.. good times

steel charm
#

what's up with mages and not killing fish sticks man KEKW

loud kettle
#

must. target. giants !!

steel charm
#

how's denizen/goldrinn for m+ to have some better focus damage?

#

i see some of the best/fastest runs use it like krona and cannexx

candid mason
#

Are corruptions still a thing this patch?

#

I can't find the vendor

steel charm
candid mason
#

k ty

#

anyone know what dungeons to farm for chest+hands?

dense steeple
#

10s for vault

crimson yew
#

anyone have a wildcharge flap macro that i can use?

stiff bolt
#

i hope they buff stellar flare and stellar command :3

candid mason
#

What trinkets are better for m+

#

I have parapodia, sacbrood, and lily

wild dune
#

lily/parapodia

lofty pulsar
lucid olive
#

no its not used

spring lodge
#

Question about the boots. is it better to have champion version over a heroic that doesnt buff your cloak?

lucid olive
#

Since it shares a node with "Wrath and Starfire crit chance increased and generates more AP"

lofty depot
lucid olive
#

Stellar Flare was simming better on ST in season 1, but then lost value in Season 2 because of the tier set guaranteeing Waning Twilight uptime during CA, then Wrath got a 30% buff and Flare has just been not worth taking ever since

lofty pulsar
#

Got ya.

lucid olive
#

I think the best scenario for Flare to be worth taking is to remove Waning Twilight as a mechanic

#

It would allow for DoT effects like Mushrooms and Flare to actually be tuned to do damage without leaning on being a dmg activator for some random bottom portion talent

lofty pulsar
#

Do you like the idea that was stated above about Starfall possibly extending the duration of?

lucid olive
#

No

normal pilot
#

just make it do 500% more damage. they did that during one of the alphas and we all used it for a week. then they nerfed it right on back

lofty pulsar
#

Iv never used it so just wondering. First season playing a Druid haha

lofty depot
#

gonna use flare ec on soul hunters next week

#

lock in

lucid olive
#

lock orbital strike

lofty depot
#

that sounds less badass

normal pilot
#

it's no diff from any other spec, tons of talents are just pointless to take and never used

lucid olive
#

The same goes for our Mastery as well, a lot of moonkins core issues in raid are because the mix of Eclipse + current Mastery makes our ramp time too high whenever adds spawn that need to be prio targeted

#

if we got a new Mastery they could make Sunfire and Moonfire just do damage instead of being the activator for all your damage

lofty pulsar
#

Agree

vital hound
#

szygy incarn was so sick

#

dragonflight preseason

lofty depot
#

gonna try it one pull and then wipe the raid so i can actually do damage

normal pilot
#

ya OS was part of the best version of balance ever

lofty pulsar
#

Maybe asking to much but I also wish moonfire would spread like sunfire

vital hound
#

yea aoe dot spreads arent allowed

lofty depot
#

not gonna happen

normal pilot
#

they want to make it annoying to use

vital hound
#

just pretend sp doesnt exist

normal pilot
#

it's intentional by design

lofty depot
#

it makes it hte same dot

#

so that doesnt make sense

vital hound
#

minimising how many gcds you moonfire

#

is our skill expression

lucid olive
stone ledge
lofty pulsar
#

lol

vital hound
#

bluepost

lucid olive
#

yeah all timer

lucid olive
#

if only FoE did actual dmg and wasn't just another fucking dmg activator

#

thatd be so neat

teal sphinx
#

take your terrible slop and enjoy it

lethal gulch
#

I have a question regarding the new opener, casting CA 2xSS into convoke and CA again is enough time forbthe dryads fade so we press 2xSS into the second CA immediately? Or am i missing something?

misty glade
#

the first dryad fades immediately when you hit your second CA, so you will send 2 SS's immediately

lethal gulch
#

Ahh that makes sense, thank you

misty glade
#

Just make sure you save enough AP to get your 2 surges in at the end of your 2nd CA cast ideally

#

dryad fades natty at 10 seconds, CA lasts 12, so you can get your 2 surges in

lofty depot
#

why blud below me?

#

on oce ping?

#

does he know how to play class?

vital hound
#

buff boomkin

delicate perch
#

why are you all so close to the tank

spark anchor
#

they're all doing tank dam

#

crazy

#

a brewmaster and they're all the same

loud kettle
#

i fear i suck at brm

#

havent figured out the tech to doing dam

lofty depot
spark anchor
#

pull massive when you have shadow procc

#

press weapons

#

boom

#

get 29? or whatever flurries per shadow procc

#

and pull big on those

#

and u do obscene damage

obsidian jetty
vital hound
#

sheepone actually broken man i stg

loud kettle
spark anchor
#

should be a ton i think

#

search wisdom of the wall wa

#

brew + 18 stack netherprism + double shadow proccs is 48mil on priory paladin pull

#

he ended at 48

#

it was fucking nutty

loud kettle
#

best on use i can do is lily

spark anchor
#

it works

drifting nova
spark anchor
#

tracking shadow proccs is yuge

#

and so is the prestacking 9

#

can do it anywhere i believe don’t even need a dummy

#

just vivify

loud kettle
#

need to learn what this actually does, i think guide just says its not worth optimizing or w/e

#

but obv intended for newer players

spark anchor
#

monk guide is like druid guide

#

so

vital hound
#

wth does that mean

loud kettle
#

idk

spark anchor
#

like it’s not the greatest

#

and you use dream grove over others

#

monk just has it’s discord really

#

same deal as kyrasis

vital hound
#

thats fucking embarassing innit

lofty depot
#

yea im dog shit

#

so what

candid mason
#

Whats the meta for delve farming

lofty depot
#

? theres a meta?

candid mason
#

Like whats the fastest

spark anchor
#

fungal folley

spark anchor
loud kettle
#

this is how i want to prestack?

spark anchor
#

yes

#

actually

#

yoda put out a video

#

im fairly certain that number should be a 9

#

should be a 1

#

so that ur next procc like double dips

#

and you get a free 9 extra

rigid kraken
drifting nova
#

howd you get into that key

spark anchor
#

its a 14

#

any1 can

drifting nova
#

the follow up question is worse

#

but I wanna know how

#

got a drink, thought of more for the chamber

lofty depot
#

u dont need to enter eclipse

#

ur wasting dreamstate stacks

#

u have a gcd between ur starfalls because ur thinking about pressing pot and trinket

drifting nova
#

oh sweet the replay works for dungeons had no diea

lofty depot
#

think u got 4 starfires in cds

#

which is just giga bad

#

u used 2nd incarn on this

#

which the tank didnt pull in the first pull

drifting nova
#

does replay have a damage meter or

lofty depot
#

but u jsut never send there

#

so now u have nothing for this

drifting nova
#

fuck hoa, cool dungeon, but routing can suck my nuts

#

bin % already

lofty depot
#

im gonna be so real

#

stop pressing incap

drifting nova
lofty depot
#

like holy ur trolling ur cds

drifting nova
#

is obr a dps increase?

#

surely

lofty depot
#

again got 4 starfires in cds

#

ur just not casting enouigh

drifting nova
#

whats it meant to be

#

thinking about it idk how long incarn lasts

#

20?

lofty depot
#

its like 15

#

or 16?

#

something like that

jaunty blaze
#

16

drifting nova
lofty depot
#

read whirling

drifting nova
#

oh

#

see I dont even play chicken

tropic pollen
#

Is there any world where it makes sense to play kotg in streets?

drifting nova
#

half the dung is baby pulls

#

but prob not

loud kettle
#

i am ready

drifting nova
#

what in the power rangers

#

still never played a monk past like 20

lofty depot
#

can swap some talents around

#

big stellar amp for mushrooms

tropic pollen
#

I'll have to try that out. That key just hasn't felt right so far.

upper anvil
#

You know its a time when crazy meow doesn't play fereal and is playing monk

#

Ngl I've been having lots of fun as fereal

#

Maybe it's time to play some meta tank 🤔

loud kettle
#

oh monk is just alt

#

very much still freal main

tepid mountain
#

guild got M loom down tn 😄

#

43 parse >.>

upper anvil
tepid mountain
#

scared for forge

upper anvil
#

Show me the ways. Enlightenment me

tepid mountain
upper anvil
#

But but its crazymeow

loud kettle
royal zenith
drifting nova
#

make a dk, select frost, then go to icc

full hill
#

In PSF in the first area, what should I be trying to stop with roar / vortex

urban vector
#

any room for dumb main resto druid who wants to play a boomkin sometimes questions?

#

^ like that

urban vector
urban vector
#

I got him down tonight and havent done loom rofl

full hill
#

thanks

drifting nova
#

hoa been fixed eyt?

stiff bolt
#

@lofty pulsar @lucid olive reason for wanting stellar flare + stellar command buffed. is that with buffs to those, you are less reliant on spamming starfire.
stellar flare buff would make orbital better + stellar flare in it self.
in a build that has less power into starfire, you can prioritize other abilities more.... like full moon and wild mushrooms.

the current meta build for m+ is just: dot -> 2x wrath -> starfall -> starfire
and the dots are not even good dmg (overall), its just to boost dmg through mastery and waning twilight.

this is a problem with most hero talents. they are not balanced to make both sides of choice nodes comparable.
take lunar calling as a example. currently the only was that stellar command is even close to lunar calling, is a full spec dmg revamp.
lunation is in a similar spot, where the dmg gained from arcane affinity is way less then the dmg/resource gain from fury of elune cooldown.

drifting nova
#

psst it's an illusion of choice

stiff bolt
drifting nova
#

it's not even hero specific

#

hero talents are just the newer example of talent choices

#

and I wish mastery was obliterated and we returned to dots not just being a % vessel

#

the lunation one is funny though given it's a flat %

maiden pasture
#

"in a build that has less power into starfire, you can prioritize other abilities more.... like full moon and wild mushrooms."

those other abilities do 0 damage tho

potent cargo
stiff bolt
# maiden pasture "in a build that has less power into starfire, you can prioritize other abilitie...

in a build that has less power from just spamming generators, other abilities gain more value.
therefor, is starfire got gutted. it might result in that other talent options gain more spotlight.
stellar flare is super weak, and wild mushrooms is weak because of how strong starfire is.
so a nerf to starfire and buff to overall damage gives more options to other talent choices.

the same can be said of fury generation of fury of elune, but the combo of both of them beeing strong makes other GDC options very weak.
if starfire got weaker, it would also make full moon a more interrestingoption. since full moon takes more GCDs to use.

maiden pasture
#

idk what ur tryna cook up but stop wasting ur time

#

this is a lot of thinking for a hypothetical

jaunty blaze
#

Cook less eat more

#

Or something

stiff bolt
maiden pasture
#

you spent all this time and got 0 value from it

#

that is not time well spent

stiff bolt
#

how would you know how i value my time?

lucid olive
exotic perch
#

Where my splash aoe

lucid olive
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Also I don't think buffing Stellar Command would actually change anything

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I assume you'd still enter Lunar and spam Starfire just for the Lunation value

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FoE is a much better spell than Moons for activating Atmos Exposure since it gives considerably better uptime

lucid olive
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Wild Mushroom also has a passive option that will always be better

potent cargo
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stellar flare fkn miserable gameplay

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fuck it off