balance

[pallid bay]

boss dam

idk if i executed all that properly though

[livid jay]

so u didnt chain the cas ye?

just natty ca into 1 ca cooldown window

with the convoke using the first two amped surges

[pallid bay]

ya

[livid jay]

aight

ill try later

[pallid bay]

unlucky

whole window

gg the last 2 surges didnt crit

[icy warren]

Does starfall adhere to the hardcap at 20 rule or is it st to all enemies inside since it procs vigil?

[zinc robin]

is there any point when we stop prioritizing mastery? I'm at 28k unbuffed and I think I'm fucking myself

[lofty depot]

Well it's capped to hit 20 targets, and vigil only procs to damage and since the 21st target wouldn't get damaged, vigil wouldn't calculate frim that target

[lofty depot]

When the sim says so

[icy warren]

Ye i was just wondering if starfall actually adhered to the 20 target cap since it procced the ST only vigil

[lofty depot]

It's the delayed trees sequence but yea

Well again, vigil only goes off damage done, not theoretical damage

[icy warren]

Yea but since starfall is an aoe spell and procs the ST only vigil i figured there could be some ”ignores the 20 target cap since it only STs anything in range

[lofty depot]

Starfall isn't an AOE spell like others

[livid jay]

but do we delay trees for 2 globals and only press starfall during those or what?

[lofty depot]

Yes

U could also just send it

Kinda depends on ur buffed surges timing

[icy warren]

How does it work?

[lofty depot]

So.etimes u send CA too early

[lofty depot]

It hits targets individually

In an area around u

[icy warren]

Ok so it’s actually ”an ”aoe” spell that ST hits all targets in range” but blizzard remembered to still add the 20 cap to it

[lofty depot]

There are only 20 stars falling around u

That can happen to hit any target in said area, every second for 8 seconds

[icy warren]

Ah

[lofty depot]

🙂

[icy warren]

Ty

[hazy storm]

I saw a ping in here

[lofty depot]

Yea fuggn yesterday dork

[fathom nebula]

I love the Nexus Prince bug were you cant cast spells except for like wrath and starfire

[hazy storm]

What happened yesterday

I’ll scroll man frick

[civic junco]

Wait Starfall counts as ST damage?

[fathom nebula]

The 1mil HPS you do during Natures Vigil isnt because of your Starfire main target damage at least 😄

[hazy storm]

That was me

[lofty depot]

Yes

[civic junco]

Well TIL

[hazy storm]

I got an 85 I think

[lofty depot]

I died cuz someone pulled me back in last intermission

[hazy storm]

83 sorry I suck

[lofty depot]

Fuggn slow rats

[hazy storm]

Our tanks suck at stacking them

Who knew we’d be the 2% 🤓😎

[lofty depot]

Surprising 85 is front page

[hazy storm]

Good enough for me

We had 2-3 dps on both soul hunter and frac so next week should be better

What is lonelylunar doing for almost 10 mil on that fight man

[lofty depot]

Lily gamer

[cloud citrus]

26k haste

i went from 9k -> 15k haste with 2 misc items and my dps went up by 2 mil

pretty sure 26k haste just means you are the insane

[lofty depot]

I have 20, 6k the diff in me swapping weapon + shoulders prob

Oh suppose ring is heavy mastery so could get that

[high turret]

do u play around ec 4 pc at all

or just send on cd

[lofty depot]

Send it

[high turret]

ty 😄

[queen pulsar]

How do i dodge arcane siphon on araz

[scarlet tapir]

by moving!

crazy

[paper ember]

Arcane siphon isn't something you dodge. Its raid wide damage you have to heal through during collector phase.

[queen pulsar]

i got double tapped

for 6 min

mill

in 0.4

great game

[pallid bay]

get more health!

[paper ember]

Ah the old "i died so it must be the games fault"

[queen pulsar]

dont think i said its the games fault buddy

[fossil shard]

6 mill is like half your health bar. Siphon or whatever it’s called ramps during collector phase

So save defensives for the tail end of it

Try to stand near middle so you don’t range healers also

[paper ember]

It also ticks every 2 seconds. Not .4. So if you died in .4 you probably took a tick of siphon and got hit by a line.

[eager raft]

Just live

[cloud citrus]

isnt the siphon the hit it does?

[loud kettle]

There are 3 of them

[cloud citrus]

not in the collector phase

[eager raft]

correct

[cloud citrus]

yea you just got rngd

[loud kettle]

So you can absolutely get ticked twice in 0.4s yea

[cloud citrus]

they kind fixed it but it can still happen if a heap of people are dead

[queen pulsar]

thanks for an actuall answer

[fossil shard]

Yeah just have to be weary during that phase and if you drop below half health just pop bark and be ready to renewal/pot towards the end

It’s probably the only “scary”’part of that fight

[eager raft]

Siphons aren’t in intermission!!!!!!

Ur talkin about different things!!!!!!

[fossil shard]

!!!!!

He said collector phase I assumed we were talking about the same shit

[eager raft]

‼️

[cloud lion]

am i only who have bug on nexus and cant use extra action button to go up on platform

[eager raft]

ye

[cloud citrus]

Arcane Siphon now hits one player per cast (was 3 players) on non-Mythic difficulty

yea arcane siphon is just the big hit in the normal phase (not intermission) that can 1 gap you

just unlucky

mythic it hits 2 and if they rng both target you at once it will probs kill you

[lofty depot]

I've actually never died to that which seems sus people do die to it

Maybe get luckier

[cloud citrus]

ive died at the end of the phase with the knockback + double siphon

like 20mil in 0.4 seconds rofl

[paper ember]

Oh you right Im thinking of astral burn.

[loud kettle]

Siphon is in p1

[pastel hearth]

Hi guys does loomithar also has the phase where he takes +25% damage in P2 in mythic difficulty ?

[lofty depot]

30%

[cloud citrus]

yea 33% more from 50% hp

[pastel hearth]

All the way down to 0 HP ? (or for a while only) ?

[cloud citrus]

all the way down

[lofty depot]

Yes

All of p2

[pastel hearth]

Thank you

so BL in P1 is not that smart right?
My guild insist to BL P1

[cloud citrus]

bl p1 is fine to push to phase 2

[lofty depot]

P1 harder than p2

[cloud citrus]

if you have the dps to kill p2

which you should by now

p1 gets harder and harder esp with 4 beams

so you want to get to p2 asap

[pastel hearth]

Alright thanks for the explanations !

[pastel lake]

hi a return player from Legion~ can i check how much would stats capped affect me? as of now i see my mastery is capped

[lofty depot]

There aren't caps

[pastel lake]

but im so far away from my BIS~

[pallid bay]

[pastel lake]

ahhh ok so i may continue farming for mastery items? 😄

[pallid bay]

yea

[pastel lake]

awesome! thx a bunch

[pallid bay]

you can also just sim your character on raidbots.com

[pastel lake]

there is so many new things for me to learn haha but glade to be back!

[lofty depot]

U can, and should use raidbots. It will tell you if say a certain piece is likely better

Sometimes it doesn't like haste

[pastel lake]

will do 🙂 thx a lot !

[craggy sonnet]

Well, but not for all intents and purposes.. it's somewhat special. Interacts with some things that mention ST but for example enemy auras that reduce aoe dmg do affect it as well

@round field apparently they fixed the cantrip effect distribution for dmg vs absorb proc.. that's why it's simming better now (and has been for a while it seems)

[high turret]

Vers/mastery is starting to outsim haste/mastery for me on droptimizer crafts. Is that just an EC thing

[fossil hemlock]

pog

[high turret]

everyone else i see has haste/mastery crafted

[craggy sonnet]

Idk

Only you know what gear you have

But also do top gear sims

To confirm stuff

[lofty depot]

Maybe u have too much haste

"everyone else" doesn't matter cuz u don't have the same gear

[boreal shale]

What do y’all like to run during raid? Keeper of the grove or EC?

[lofty depot]

Keeper

Idk why u would want to ever spam Starfire for fun

[cloud citrus]

bigdam

[lofty depot]

Cluu

[tepid mountain]

if you crafted wep n bracers whats a good 3rd craft choice, im assuming ring?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/search/?q=hewopwincess

for reference if anyone could help >.<

[craggy sonnet]

shoulders aint bad either

but its kinda hard if you do not have reliable access to myth tier pieces

oh wait

you are mostly doing m+ probably?

[tepid mountain]

were progging loom atm 33% best

[craggy sonnet]

ok, if you do care about raid

then shoulders would be the current offpiece to shoot for

thats why i was asking

[tepid mountain]

i think i should prob redo my items for crit/mast for raid instead maybe

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[tepid mountain]

but i like m+ so would it be huge diff in keys w less haste?

[craggy sonnet]

but just farming rings/neck from m+ for that would be good as well

[tepid mountain]

i have normal forge i use with soleahs during raid

so the move would be prob to just reforge everything crit mast and make shoulders

since tier shoulds would be haste vers not very good

appreciate the feedback btw ❤️

[craggy sonnet]

crit/mast or vers/mast probably, yea

also trying to get some other rings and neck from m+

floodgate neck

priory/dawn rings

[tepid mountain]

oh the vers/mast ring from dawn is good?

i have that one

[craggy sonnet]

sure better than a high haste one

[drifting nova]

delete abandon key system when

[short kite]

Dono if im going mad, but i just got +40 rating from a 10 arakara, when i have 15 timed already

Im not complaining but like, wtf

[drifting nova]

afking a key becasue of a failed vote is peak fun

10/10 would play again

[craggy sonnet]

they adjusted some bug with xala guile

[tepid mountain]

yea i went from 38io to 3io from 3k rating when i logged on lool

ok so ima reforge my crit on the haste/mast items and craft shoulds then u would rec vers/mast for them? i relogged in my raid gear

[short kite]

Ignore me i didnt read this

[short kite]

I now understand what you meant xD

[tepid mountain]

so w/o recrafting im sitting at 22haste 24mast 8vers 14crit

no buffs or pots n all that

ima sim forge 704 vs 723 sacbrood actually

[drifting nova]

so can you just leave a key post deplete without abandon or

[tepid mountain]

once it runs out of time yes

[drifting nova]

never going with a 4stack again

actual terrorism

[tepid mountain]

if ur waiting for key if u die ull speed up timer

[drifting nova]

couldve chain inted but there was a small chance they did it

upside of a portal

[lusty anvil]

Is there any way to have same macro for Force of Nature and warrior of elune ?

[drifting nova]

no? no

[tepid mountain]

@craggy sonnet i just realized how bad my gems are too looool

[lusty anvil]

#showtooltip [talent:3/2] 205636; [talent:3/1] 202425
/cast [@cursor,talent:3/2] 205636; [@cursor,talent:3/1] 202425

Somethin like this ?

[lofty depot]

well thats like the old talent build

#showtooltip [known:205636]Force of Nature; [known:202425]Warrior of Elune
/cast [@cursor, known:205636]Force of Nature
/cast [known:202425]Warrior of Elune

[spiral plank]

@lucid olive https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ayaQKVpAn3N6BEQHzFXE5 is broken sir :(

[craggy sonnet]

i rec you sim your stuff properly

[lofty depot]

what link is that

[spiral plank]

dreamstate trinket section

[lofty depot]

now he can fix it easier

gj

also, go sim your trinkets for your character

[spiral plank]

yeah i dont have gear yet i was just reading the website

[lofty depot]

yea u can use droptimizer or top gear and search them

[fading oak]

is there a way to know where the softcaps are for stats? Im using sim to look at my gear and the only reasonable explaination my new necklace isnt better is if I have too much haste already.

[lofty depot]

thats not how we think about stats, but the sim generally just tells u to stop taking items with such stat

[fading oak]

ok thanks

[lucid olive]

fixed

[ebon sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3wHDWFsxsrBRcoq6Ti4KHY

Am I right in thinking Neck is the best craft for me or any other suggestions? I tested crafting a 720 ring and it got me less dps than neck.

This is simming with my ST spec. I do raiding up to HC and M+ up to +13.

[stone ledge]

No shot alchemy stone isn’t a upgrade over that trinket

[craggy sonnet]

alchemy stone is also not a good trinket tho, is it?

[lofty depot]

do u prefer m+ to raid

[craggy sonnet]

where is the ring craft in that sim

[ebon sail]

I raid 1 night per week every week, M+ I can't always guarantee how many keys I'll get to run each week.

[ebon sail]

In a separate one , I don't have the premium version.

[lofty depot]

ok then i want say anything about the stats on ur crafts

uhhh idk neck or ring prob

[wind mason]

oh wow, didnt have to do the 14

[boreal holly]

Hey question. Im falling behinde in raid in my mythic guild. Getting benched like alot😫 is there any tips of pov for certain fights ?

[craggy sonnet]

your weap enchant is not a great choice

[wind mason]

yeah stop playing balance

[sand rain]

How can I have the tooltip show incarn on this macro?

#showtooltip
/use 13
/cast [@cursor] Incarnation: Chosen of Elune

[ebon sail]

I'll be honest, I followed the wowhead, to focus on haste and mastery as I had presumed that we were still focusing on haste/mastery overall.

[craggy sonnet]

#showtooltip Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
/use 13
/cast [@cursor] Incarnation: Chosen of Elune

[sand rain]

Thank you Clankz

[ebon sail]

I use that weapon ench as it seems to be best for M+ and have less of a downfall compared to the less dps I'd get if I went with the raiding enchant. Unless things have changed since last season.

[craggy sonnet]

it is most def not the best for m+

they have

you want to use one of the secondary enchants

mastery is gonna suit you best looking at both content types i reckon

[ebon sail]

Ok, I'll change it up then :).

[stone ledge]

Throw some logs in

[ebon sail]

I can always recraft the stats on my weapon and bracers if needed.

[delicate perch]

share some logs/pick a class that isn't boomkin

[ebon sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbpArxwjxtdc9Jf4bPefqt

I was wrong, turns out a ring is the biggest upgrade currently.

[craggy sonnet]

currently running a sim for you

[ebon sail]

Much love 🙂

I don't mind spending gold on changing gems, enchants/ recraft crafted stats etc.

[craggy sonnet]

yea well, if you are only raiding once a week and play m+ otherwise

then leaving your crafts with haste aint that bad

unless you would still like to optimize for raid mostly

[ebon sail]

I'll likely only raid up to HC as my guild isn't getting 20 regular people anytime soon. So M+ is probably a bigger focus across the season. I normally just aim for final boss on HC and 3k M+ each season then chill.

[craggy sonnet]

yee

[ebon sail]

My realm isn't much of a raiding realm either, so pugging mythic isn't that easy either, especially as a boomie.

[craggy sonnet]

the thing with crafting jewelry stuff this season is that you kinda have to decide

since stats are that different

because good design

thats not a thing anymore tho, right?

realm locked mythic

[tacit oriole]

Yeah mythic isn’t realm locked bub

My guild is on Illidan and I’m on Spirestone

[ebon sail]

I need to get curve HC before I can think about trying to pug mythic. We've got to 25% on Nexus HC tonight, people struggling with lines to blow up the spike balls.

[craggy sonnet]

but yeah, i just simmed raid options for the secondaries here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsqi2R7tBGUdJTQMPFyvX3

ring is looking to be the best craft

its just a lil awkward as i already mentioned

but wcyd

just decide on the stats

[ebon sail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vXCnfYqb3cFpkRKh - my raid tonight. Always trying to improve.

[ebon sail]

Thank you. I think if there's not too much of a drop between haste/mastery and crit/mastery, it may be better going for the haste.

I didn't even know there were the secondary weapon enchants 😛 when did they add those?

[craggy sonnet]

tww release

actually

i didnt change your enchant

frick me

gonna take a while again

[wind mason]

stupid question, can you use 2 craft ring?

[ebon sail]

Sorry :(. The sim above told me to use the same fiber in my cloak that I'm already using. The pure (mastery fibre).

[craggy sonnet]

why not

[craggy sonnet]

mastery fiber is fine

[craggy sonnet]

sure

[trim wigeon]

Stats question: there conflicting information on different websites. What is the correct answer?? Is it Mastery/haste for both keeps and Elune (both raid and single target) or does it change when you switch from keeper to elune?

[craggy sonnet]

it does change

keeper with new 4p does not like haste

pretty much at all

@wicked shuttle cmon, my guy. you gotta go over that section again. cant be sandbagging people like that

[ebon sail]

Is it possible in your sim to see what the difference in damage will be between Crit/mastery and Haste/mastery crafted ring? And then I'll weigh up the potential shortfall in damage in ST.

[craggy sonnet]

im running a new one just with ring and both crit+mast/haste+mast

[ebon sail]

Thank you.

I then need to decide whether to follow the ST sim on cata both my myth haste/mastery pants and taking myth tier from vault over a crit/haste myth shoulders.

[craggy sonnet]

oh i didnt even look at that

whats your vault?

and current

[lofty depot]

ur playing the old way

should read the guide

ur doing what all new boomkins do and slam 2 surges with each other alwasy

should learn to use wild charge if u need to move

[lofty depot]

marco natures vigil to ca and stop thinking about it

[craggy sonnet]

i wouldnt take the non tier shoulders

you can keep your legs i guess

[lofty depot]

seems odd u waited so long to convoke

[craggy sonnet]

they are very well statted for ec m+

[ebon sail]

I think in one of the attempts I did. I was running out with something and forgot to press convoke. I'll read the guide again. I guess I'm still stuck a bit in S2 mindset.

[ebon sail]

Agreed, I'll go for tier shoulders then

[craggy sonnet]

ofc i didnt check that your legs were cata'd in that sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nbmNmw7gJKaoxLHpFnLtGk

so now i was using the tier legs

non cata legs are gonna make haste ring a bit worse

but its prolyl fine

[vital hound]

wrath warth starfire sunfire trees ca surge convoke ca

[ebon sail]

I always forget the starfire at the start.

[vital hound]

its not super important tbf

[lofty depot]

ok but convoke is a channel

u can run with it

[vital hound]

easiest way to prac the opener

just go sit at dummy for 20 minutes

[ebon sail]

Agreed, I'm just an improving player, so sometimes forget, to my own detriment 😄

[ebon sail]

Agreed. One thing I know I should do is do first cast earlier pre-pull, but I can never guarantee that someone won't pull before 0, so i normally just cast first wrath at 2, at max range.

[vital hound]

so if you are at a reasonable range

with natures grace you can cast at 3.2 seconds

without 3.8

and you'll fairly consistently get it off

early pull or not

[ebon sail]

That's really good to know, thank you.

[vital hound]

sometimes you might early pull with the starfire

but fuck the haters

ya know

[exotic perch]

Whoa be nice to tanks

Dont pull early

[craggy sonnet]

whats the issue with someone pulling earlier tho?

[craggy sonnet]

actually thats really bad

cuz you are gonna lose the ap (when playing natures balance)

[quaint robin]

what's the trigger for WAs to track how many casts i am from entering each eclipse? the AP bars and packs from the faqs are not my style

[ebon sail]

I occasionally get it that I'll start casting wrath, get a second one off before the boss is pulled, but then the counter on my wrath will still be one 1 when the boss actually pulls, so I have to cast 3 wraths to get eclipse.

[craggy sonnet]

why do you have to get into eclipse

[ebon sail]

People sometimes panic.

I thought we wrath twice to get eclipse, then the SF is more powerful before going into CA.

[craggy sonnet]

nah

[vital hound]

wait what the helly

[craggy sonnet]

dots do not snapshot

[ebon sail]

We don't moonfire before CA?

[exotic perch]

You just cast on the pull to get some extra asp

[wind mason]

my sim seems really weird? I would only have 4% haste with the new ring for KOTG, is that like legit?

[craggy sonnet]

you just wanna get some free dmg in and possibly some ap

[exotic perch]

Its not really to get into eclipse

[boreal shale]

Is there a weakaura that tracks the set bonus for keeper of the grove?

[obsidian jetty]

just slam 3 wraths

[vital hound]

[craggy sonnet]

kotg does not like haste

[obsidian jetty]

starfire cringe

[exotic perch]

Hello ec

[wind mason]

I understand that, but 4%?

[exotic perch]

Best hero tree

[obsidian jetty]

ec CRINGE

[craggy sonnet]

get 0

[exotic perch]

(Its awful)

[wind mason]

damn

[exotic perch]

What if we have like 30% haste

[craggy sonnet]

encounter start resets your ap to max 50

so you gotta have your last cast finish after combat start

[obsidian jetty]

getting extra casts in CD doesn't do much, but scaling your 2/4 big surges does

all the other 3 stats scale those surges

haste just lets you get some more noodle spells off

[boreal shale]

So what should I be doing to make the set bonus for keeper to be the most effective?

[ebon sail]

@craggy sonnet - May I please ask what your updated sim found? Is there a big difference between weapon enchant choice and C/M or H/M ring?

[craggy sonnet]

nah, you should moonfire

[vital hound]

gg

[obsidian jetty]

dreamgrove guide goes over how to play it

[craggy sonnet]

this is with your current legs

did not bother simming ring choice again

its gonna be similar

[obsidian jetty]

but basically, get as many buffs as you can on the 2 surges

[craggy sonnet]

to the prev one

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4MNc99UHy7GVDTBL4Qq12Y

but yea, non tier legs obv a bit worse for raid

but its w.e.

[hot hull]

Can someone explain why were taking potent enchantments over groves inspiration when were still holding until ritual forge is up?

[craggy sonnet]

wait

you also have another 710 ring

[obsidian jetty]

potent is for when it allows a double CA at the end of a fight, or dmg amp(s)

[craggy sonnet]

what the helly

[boreal shale]

And where can I find that?

[hot hull]

so in general I should have it

even in normal st like frac

[obsidian jetty]

no, depends on the boss

[vital hound]

tbf im not struggling for ap at all

[ebon sail]

I've got a bunch of rings, but when I simmed with my limited 300k iterations, it said to go with the rings I've currently got on.

Interesting that it recommends going for vers secondary weapon enchant over mastery.

[obsidian jetty]

on normal most fights die in under 3m

[vital hound]

ive got too much if anything

[hot hull]

no meant like just patchwork fight

example mythic frac

[wind mason]

the guide? in pin

[obsidian jetty]

depends on killtime, but yes, any fight. The point is getting a double CA lineup

like if your kill is 5m, you will get a double CA at the end without potent

but if it's shorter, you will start to need potent

[hot hull]

cuz ive only been using the other one and not the potent, and ive just seen that people are using it on almost all kills

[craggy sonnet]

sure. but its the diff between being able to triple surge or not .. whatever that means in the grand scheme of things

[vital hound]

yea i was msging gamz about that before

i sometimes have enough ap for 4

but that feels kinda shit, feel like i want to get convoke off earlier

feelycraft

[craggy sonnet]

its basically the same, you can click the "Show Gem/Enchants Variations" box

[obsidian jetty]

the pins

[craggy sonnet]

in the opener?

[vital hound]

ya

[craggy sonnet]

the heck are you doing

[lofty depot]

cosmos

[obsidian jetty]

yea it just depends on the killtime. Potent gives CA a shorter CD, so you can fit extra uses in

[ebon sail]

I think it recommended the 704 crit/mastery ring over the 710 vers/mastery ring i was using because I only had 6% crit. Now I have 15%.

[vital hound]

no i dropped

[obsidian jetty]

sometimes it doesn't make sense, just depends on the line up

[lofty depot]

hmm

[vital hound]

maybe pi (no way) is changing it

also rec i almost zooped your salad r1

then got trolled by a hunter

[hot hull]

well thank you for quick info ^^

[obsidian jetty]

I've noticed sometimes if I do 4 surges, treeants falls off as I'm pressing 2nd dryad surge

without lust

[vital hound]

ya

[obsidian jetty]

so it can be sketch

[vital hound]

thats the basis of my i just wanna 2x surge

i have pi for every 2x set tho

so i think its fine anyway

[obsidian jetty]

I do 3

and usually don't overcap from the voke anyways

[craggy sonnet]

you should already be careful doing 3 without lust i think

well, depends on your gear i guess

[ebon sail]

@craggy sonnet - thank you for all the help with simming a bigger sim for me 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

and if you have starlord up already etc

[wind mason]

wait why does sim tell me use haste/mas gem then

[vital hound]

dont ask rec for his gear

[lofty depot]

because ur not selecting all the gems

[vital hound]

bro is eating good

[lofty depot]

show sim

[craggy sonnet]

im not asking for his gear .. just saying that haste is a factor

[lofty depot]

i am

[ebon sail]

and thank you @lofty depot - for looking at my raid logs from tonight.

[lofty depot]

yeet

[wind mason]

I was using droptimizer where gem is not an option in that tab

and I missed it?

[craggy sonnet]

well

[lofty depot]

thats not true

u can click it on the drop down

[craggy sonnet]

droptimizer puts either the gem you already have in the slot

[lofty depot]

but droptimizer also isnt gonna tell u which of the 12 to use

[craggy sonnet]

or if you tell it to add a gem

its the one you select from the dropdown

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

so go use top gear and select them

shrimple

[wind mason]

ohhh

[obsidian jetty]

it will still fill with what you're wearing as well

psure that only is for new socketed items

[craggy sonnet]

yea, this is only if for slots you do not have a gem on

[wind mason]

thought it would sim the gem lol, guess not

[craggy sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3NqrxmQwg8MCY1BP1Jrquj

[lofty depot]

no, thats why u use top gear to search for gear upgrades

[craggy sonnet]

well, with that other ring, seems like neck is an option again

its all a wash really

but the vers mastery ring is slightly better when paired with a hast/mast crafted

[ebon sail]

It would appear so, that if I go for haste/mastery vs crit/mastery in ring or neck, I'll be losing around 20k dps in ST, but be better off in M+.

[craggy sonnet]

yeah, its a fair tradeoff

haste do be feeling good anyways

just numby not going up as much

[ebon sail]

I'm very grateful for all the effort you've put in to help me this evening. Much appreciated :).

[craggy sonnet]

i'd just not bother i think

since you have to make a choice in either direction anyways

[ebon sail]

Not bother crafting either neck or ring ? Or not overthink it between crit and haste with mastery?

[obsidian jetty]

I got PI in some normal I did, and it literally felt like a new spec

[lofty depot]

well thats why u get ring and neck swaps

[craggy sonnet]

not bother losing some st dps

[craggy sonnet]

duh, but you also do not have slots to craft on this season

[lofty depot]

i do completely fine in m+ with crit/mastery crafts

[craggy sonnet]

whatever that means

[lofty depot]

?

[craggy sonnet]

you think you wouldnt do fine with haste/mastery crafts in raid

[craggy sonnet]

within the same margin

[lofty depot]

u can do keys just fine with crafts being that

[craggy sonnet]

and u can raid heroic with crafts being the other way

dont get your point

[obsidian jetty]

simply play keeper everywhere 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

its a decision for one or the other

[lofty depot]

yes, but saying "be better off in m+"

[ebon sail]

I'm trying to farm up some swaps but not having luck getting hero/mythic HOA or Eco rings. Got hero Haste/Mastery raid ring though. Or hero Halls neck. Also not cleared nexus HC for crit/mastery neck.

[drifting nova]

only just found out early m+ has no death penalty

[lofty depot]

i dont have the nexus neck either :L/

[drifting nova]

[craggy sonnet]

m+ keeper with incarn .. how do you even play that shit

never double, surely

cant be good or?

[obsidian jetty]

I'm slammin double's

feelycraft

just not clipping, doing full dryad

[craggy sonnet]

after 10s?

or what

hmmkay

idk

clipping incarn is even worse

[ebon sail]

Why did blizzard have to fluff things up and make us need a different stat for ST vs AOE or i.e. raid vs M+

[craggy sonnet]

they have no idea what they are doing

[obsidian jetty]

yea that is not a conscious decision. They just cook some stuff up and send it

[craggy sonnet]

they cook stuff up

send it on ptr

realize its overcooked

nerf once

nerf twice

[ebon sail]

I'm also hoping to get some decent trinkets to drop. Champion antenna is nice, but otherwise, not getting lucky getting many other trinkets to drop let alone win them

[craggy sonnet]

then nerf again right before launch

despite asking how that would be looking like in a sim and being told it would kill the spec

then randomly buff again

[vital hound]

its not gonna happen

[normal pilot]

can't wait for midnight when you play EC everywhere including raid

[obsidian jetty]

imagine on a big pull, you don't have to moonfire 80%+ of the targets

[lofty depot]

i promise they have no idea how things effect stats like that

[vital hound]

i dont anyway

[obsidian jetty]

🥀

[ebon sail]

Then we get called a class that cries victim.

[lofty depot]

no, thats ferals

[craggy sonnet]

and doing no aoe dmg whatsoever cause they slaughtered starfall and you do not have the ec starfire bonus and they removed any ability to funnel from tier + nerfed the splash

[ebon sail]

tbf ferals have a point, I played feral until SL, but then boomie was just too strong and popular. Feral genuinely has a stigma, unless it overperforms as so many think it's crap.

[craggy sonnet]

boomie was too strong?

ah in SL you mean

[ebon sail]

Yes, boomie convoke went brrrrrrrrrrrr. Unfortunately i fell for Tettles saying to go for Bastion people, so never got to experience the overpowered convoke in the first few weeks.

[lofty depot]

shouldve made a new one

[normal pilot]

5 years later the trauma still remains

[wicked shuttle]

it's not me

i fixed my shit

[lofty depot]

make a bet?

[craggy sonnet]

bwahahaha

[wicked shuttle]

zzzzz

[craggy sonnet]

was about to heckin send that as well

[wicked shuttle]

im gonna

actually kms

[obsidian jetty]

😵

[lofty depot]

btw, i told u to fix this during rwf

i got donno walled

[craggy sonnet]

please fix first tho

[lofty depot]

and got the same response

[wicked shuttle]

ya i fixed that one already

dont worry

[lofty depot]

no

[wicked shuttle]

we talk about stat priority on 7 fucking pages

[lofty depot]

I WILL BE WORRYING

[craggy sonnet]

then dont!

[lofty depot]

🙂

yea fuck those wowhead pages on jah

[obsidian jetty]

be the change you want to see in the world. Stop talking about stat priority

[normal pilot]

it's hard work farming clicks

[wicked shuttle]

amen

ya i started complaining yesterday in our writer chat about consolidating pages

hopefully something changes

[ebon sail]

Yeah probably should have :P. I also made the mistake of not making BOAT in first weeks as I was concerned it might get nerfed. The rest of my raid had made their legendaries.

[normal pilot]

i imagine you might get fucked in seo if you consolidate too much

same with getting prominent position in ai summaries

[lofty depot]

dont worry, i can show more for the next time someone brings it up being wroong 🙂

[normal pilot]

if you were a true friend you should link the page instead of a screenshot

so he gets the hits

[lofty depot]

🙂 wanna see

well the first one was https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/balance/overview-pve-dps

next one 🙂

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/druid/balance/bis-gear#bis-items-a-raid

the ring u want is the alpha one and not omega 🙂

[ebon sail]

Lol I didn't roll on that ring as I figured it wasn't much of an upgrade.

[lofty depot]

i have it :/

cuz it was like 1%

doesnt have lily in the m+ trinkets

bis lists

smh

[craggy sonnet]

sacbrood

giga trinket

[lofty depot]

giga shit since week 2 s1

[obsidian jetty]

those 2 simmed best for me when I did some EC 3tar sim

[lofty depot]

so were doing some 3tar sims

[wicked shuttle]

ya those also simmed the best whenever you do MDT sims

[lofty depot]

(me too actually) @ recruitie

[obsidian jetty]

that's the only time I HAD to play EC...

[craggy sonnet]

proof or didnt happen

[lofty depot]

so true

wait u didnt play ec on soulbinder?

w

[obsidian jetty]

fuck no

[craggy sonnet]

sacbrood simmed like shite last i looked at it

[wicked shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j642NWbYG3uQGygPBpXJnE

[lofty depot]

smh

[wicked shuttle]

ya ofc it has

[lofty depot]

oh u gotta change the bis list soon anyway

disc belt bad

oh i lied u dont have it on there

[wicked shuttle]

ya they didnt want it on there xdd

[vital hound]

(it wont)

[wicked shuttle]

probably not

[vital hound]

why make money click simulator click less money

ya know

[lofty depot]

for clarity

[wicked shuttle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hnH2qHrZWXKTTsU52ZUQH2

[vital hound]

no value in clarity

[lofty depot]

hmm

now time to go into the sample and see it use incarn at the end of a pack

zoom

[normal pilot]

isn't ilevel going up

or is that coming later

[lofty depot]

it is

[wicked shuttle]

2.5 weeks

[normal pilot]

sounds like you need a new bis list

[wicked shuttle]

i just didnt question it too much, maybe the uses of lily / incarn are rlly bad

[lofty depot]

well understandable tbf

[wicked shuttle]

theyre making me write a page on legion remix

[lofty depot]

LOCK IN

[upper anvil]

Make a legion remix page tettles

Lock in

[lofty depot]

talk about empowerments, then say jk billzard hates fun

[wicked shuttle]

miss legion moonkin

[lucid olive]

legi n

[wicked shuttle]

miss her

[normal pilot]

can you write a guide on how to get the mage tower xmog

[lucid olive]

no mage tower mogs in remix

[lofty depot]

theres the artifact weapon ones

but yea

[upper anvil]

Its recolors

But not original

[lofty depot]

wait i need tettles guide cuz i didnt do research

[potent cargo]

what was a worse community bait by tettles, kyrian boomy or the wrong embelishment in DF

[lucid olive]

playing it until i get the new scythe of the unmaker appearance and then logging off

[obsidian jetty]

legion remix is just going to be retail class balance like mop was yea?

[upper anvil]

But uncapped mastery sounds lot

Lit

[lofty depot]

well people meme'd me more for the df one

[potent cargo]

when is legion remix anyway

soon i hope?

[lofty depot]

and peopel have more trauma from SL

[upper anvil]

3 weeks

[lofty depot]

so

[hollow loom]

kkyrian

[upper anvil]

When turbo comes

[lofty depot]

oct 7

[upper anvil]

They're bundling turbo with remix

[potent cargo]

gore and I got abused so bad for the kyrian thing even though we were both night fae by last boss of heroic week

wdf is turbo

lol

[vital hound]

HA

[upper anvil]

Where numbers go brrr

And dinars shrotly

[lucid olive]

this for 11.1 patch

[vital hound]

whats the frog equivalent

that i can exploit

day 1

[potent cargo]

the 'dont log in' exploit

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/X4E7.gif

[potent cargo]

log in 4 weeks before the end when they've juiced everything 500%

[vital hound]

maybe ill just pay

for a carry

[potent cargo]

ya im gonna

ol

spent like 15 hours doing bronze farm on thunder isle for nothing

[upper anvil]

Why pay when guild can just xarry

[potent cargo]

never again mang

[upper anvil]

Is what ima just so

Do

[vital hound]

i did enjoy doing panda remix

v slowly

and not giving a fuck

[scenic mist]

i was vibing in mop remix

and suddenly

ppl exploiting gems

[vital hound]

yea i thought i was powerful

until i did a raid

[scenic mist]

got carried to parangon of the mists by a friend

[native wharf]

i probably am missing it somewhere, is there any quick fix to the Nexus King Salhadaar druid bug?

[obsidian jetty]

what bug would that be?

[native wharf]

dying makes it so I am perma pacified

[obsidian jetty]

that's not a druid bug, just the fight

[craggy sonnet]

i dont think thats druid exclusive

but yea

[obsidian jetty]

ppl have said logging out for 5m fixes it

[craggy sonnet]

gamz said porting dorno

[obsidian jetty]

but it's random, sometimes dying again in the fight fixes

[craggy sonnet]

and relogging

idk

[obsidian jetty]

sometimes it fixes on it's own

has something to do with the Mind control mechanic

[native wharf]

lame, ty for the info

[scenic mist]

there is

pull the boss, get MCed again, wipe, gg you're back to normal

[native wharf]

that fixes it sometimes

[lofty depot]

the fix is kill the boss

[native wharf]

but now it just wont let me mark of the wild

true

[scenic mist]

[native wharf]

just kill boss, who needs motw

[scenic mist]

getting MCed again should fix this afaik

[lofty depot]

see, u are valuable

big motw

[scenic mist]

looks like a Dr Stone reference

[lucid olive]

at least it doesnt disable your extra action button

[scenic mist]

it actually does

dunno if trolling or not

probably trolling

this is me falling into the trap

https://tenor.com/view/cavif-cavifax-gif-3330778137757269524

[lucid olive]

yeah i know it does

i meant him specifically it didn't

it did for me during prog too

adaptive swarm and extra action button

[scenic mist]

swarm motw EAB ye

go figure

[lucid olive]

mark wasnt affected for me idk

i've heard guardian druids get their taunt disabled

[scenic mist]

ooof

that hurts

[vital hound]

the bug pvp flags you

i think

[scenic mist]

yeah but

i'm always pvp flagged

i'm kind of a druid bruce banner

if ykwim

[craggy sonnet]

uhhh, interesting .. tettles trinky sim earlier made me curious about dropping mushrooms in m+ and its actually simming higher

thats fun

[lucid olive]

yeah stellar amp is simming better in mdt sims

[craggy sonnet]

gatekeeping smh

why was nobody telling me

[lucid olive]

but its simming worse in aoe or 3t sims

so it's possibly a bit bait

since MDT sims generally assume all mobs are stacked all the time

[craggy sonnet]

could have finally not cared about popping a mushroom on someones head straight on pull

[lucid olive]

and that build leans into Starfire spam for all AoE when thats not feasible in actual scenario

[craggy sonnet]

wouldnt that benefit mushrooms?

or rather how would that help stellar amp

[lucid olive]

well its also + goldrinn - rattle

[craggy sonnet]

oh, i have not tried simming that actually

just shroom to amp

but rattle to goldrinn is a slippery slope indeed

holy

its simming crazy high tho

wut?

[drifting nova]

alays feasible just cast

healers exist for a reason

[craggy sonnet]

its about mobs not being stacked

not necessarily your ability to continue casting

[lament sonnet]

goldrinn?

[craggy sonnet]

but higher ap cost ofc does also affect movement gcds

[craggy sonnet]

ye, stellar amp + goldrinn vs mushrooms + rattle

[lucid olive]

higher ap cost means more starfire casts means more smolder uptime means less reliance on mushrooms for waning

[craggy sonnet]

thats an interesting loop yea

but stellar amp on its does seem to sim higher

[lucid olive]

its solid prio as well

[craggy sonnet]

i hate these sets

yea thats the thing

it is much better prio i guess

[scenic mist]

also means movement is way way worse

[craggy sonnet]

which is worth enough even it would show up as a sidegrade in sim

[scenic mist]

cause you lose all the starfire benefits + spenders cost more

[craggy sonnet]

idk if "way way worse"

but its something

[scenic mist]

2 points above

not just ap going down faster

you lose waning

cause no shroom proc

lose starlord

[craggy sonnet]

i mean there is no such thing as heavy movement tho

like

[scenic mist]

the negative feedback loop is harder

[lament sonnet]

krona also tried around with dropping one note in boat but idk what he thought about that

[scenic mist]

m+ pulls can be hard on you idk

[craggy sonnet]

hmmhm

at least stellar amp does seem to be beneficial

rattle is interesting

[lucid olive]

yeah you can drop one in BOAT too

[craggy sonnet]

and considering the better prio

i think its worth

[lucid olive]

BOAT for EC is pretty piss

its this basically

[craggy sonnet]

nahh

[lucid olive]

i'm unsure the value on SOTF as well tbf

[craggy sonnet]

im not playing fucking cats n dogs

these lil asshats

are gonna pull stuff

and im gonna be piss mad

[lucid olive]

you also can not shadowmeld for dreamstate if you have denizens up

but they do a lot of boss dam

[craggy sonnet]

pfffff

i was actually thinking about whether you could

great

they do a lot of boss dam

or do not proc once

[lament sonnet]

denizen do pull in m+ no? if they spawn in weird places

[lucid olive]

so does sunfury mage phoenix

[lament sonnet]

fair

[scenic mist]

that's why they dont play the talent afaik

point goes to clankz then

[lucid olive]

just the spellstealing talent they dont play

the phoenix still spawns

[scenic mist]

ye

[lucid olive]

the phoenix is the main part of sunfury

[scenic mist]

but it's the spellstealing that does the bad behaving no ?

[lucid olive]

its not like your denizen random shoots bolts at shit youre not in combat with

the spellstealing does that

it just proximity aggros

[tepid mountain]

off the top of the dome what would be better, 18% crit 22% haste or 21% crit 19%haste

[lucid olive]

whatever raidbots spits out

[craggy sonnet]

yea it being up for 30s and potentially not moving

proccing while you are just running in to dot

[lucid olive]

also not sure denizens even proximity aggro unless you're skipping packs

[craggy sonnet]

is already a huge red flag

[lucid olive]

like jumping the fence in cinderbrew

cause i remember they fixed some shit about them back in DF

[craggy sonnet]

mmhmm

i thought almost everything pulls

like even the mages from uhdk pull

totems ofc

[scenic mist]

fml i can find the stat % meme gif anymore

lucky you

[craggy sonnet]

kill me now .. denizen is another 0.7%

[tepid mountain]

danget i wanted to blow air out of my nose v.v

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/search/?q=hewopwincess

go ahead roast me please

[craggy sonnet]

dropping 1 boat for goldrinn does seem to be better as well tho fwiw

[potent cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[craggy sonnet]

so goldrinn seems good

[potent cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/296496792420220929/1016334670251700254/attachment.gif

[craggy sonnet]

even if you wanna keep rattle

[tepid mountain]

am i wrong for matching the gem color to the color of my gear?

[craggy sonnet]

based

keep it that way

[scenic mist]

i went all the way up to here #balance message

am i insane ?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[craggy sonnet]

considering someone already posted it in the meantime

its kinda crazy person behavior

[exotic perch]

the real key is spread out your gem colors to maximize the speed from the meta gem

[tepid mountain]

LOL

[scenic mist]

yeah i saw when i came back

felt bad

[scenic mist]

10% ms is free real estate

fr fr

[tepid mountain]

Where are youuu

[scenic mist]

is that a song about a dog ?

[tepid mountain]

i have no idea its some boomer song

6 7

[scenic mist]

https://youtu.be/hTq6nwO4oJU?si=7vcwkGno-WwiZLbn

[tepid mountain]

were coming after you were gonna solve that mystery 💃

[solemn jolt]

on mythic araz do you usually sit in the same eclipse or do you do a lot of swapping depending on the target count

[lucid olive]

just stay solar

[dense steeple]

so i was doing a mission in no mans sky when my raid kjilled the boss i was sat on, so in between pulls i was tryna do the mission. giga rewards super good mission

my game crashed as i went to turn it in

[craggy sonnet]

you know what .. frick it .. im gonna run cats until it screws my once

@lucid olive do they actually swap to shoot your target?

or just lock in on whatever they spawned on / closest

[lucid olive]

not sure

[craggy sonnet]

guess im gonna try on a dummy for a minute

[sudden pawn]

https://x.com/sharkfishqt/status/1968838738911338924

miso🍜 (@sharkfishqt)

how about a feral restoration balance guardian glorp

X · Sep 19, 2025, 12:45 AM

@wicked shuttle can u make this an emote here please

[wicked shuttle]

ya sure, ill ask

[sudden pawn]

nice

[craggy sonnet]

btw .. was simming trinkets a bit more fixing some secondaries n stuff and i think lily got within like 0.2% or something. so realistically its probably better in an actual key

(maybe)

[wicked shuttle]

probably due to how people actually play

[craggy sonnet]

yea

[lucid olive]

lily or double passives yeah

[craggy sonnet]

but double passive is also not as restrictive

so you can kinda play around either

[wicked shuttle]

yeah theoretically id assume lily is better in the "we press all our cds with lust to try to kill this ASAP" way

so even if it's worse dps it still has value

[normal pilot]

are you using mdt or keystone for your routes

[craggy sonnet]

was using keystone

why?

also holy shit

i just went over 2mins without a single cat proccing on 5 dummies

i hate this talent

[lucid olive]

only married cats?

[craggy sonnet]

but they do indeed target swap

i wish

[normal pilot]

supposedly keystone is better with pull delay than mdt

[craggy sonnet]

but they did come in a pair after that

[normal pilot]

idk if real or cope

[craggy sonnet]

yeah i know .. they have some "advanced" patreon feature as well to reduce pull delay by adjusting your pull range

its probably a bit better

but idk if it affects simming results in any meaningful way

[normal pilot]

it'll affect things like cd v passive

[craggy sonnet]

ehh, yea .. wa you can technically also assign delays or give it some random range

idk how big the diffy is gonna be if its like 5s off

k, tomorrow i'll be no boat gaming

just send my starlords whenever

gg

get cat/dog instead

[lament sonnet]

i'm a denizen hater will be trying out this build

[vital hound]

hates denizen

has dogs talented

[craggy sonnet]

well

denizen are egregious lil fucks

so i kinda agree

[normal pilot]

some ppl are doggos and some ppl are cattos

[lament sonnet]

legion dog was my goat

[craggy sonnet]

getting triggered enough by them in raid

[craggy sonnet]

how does mushroom sim vs boat?

[vital hound]

correct logic

[drifting nova]

hero talent expansion when

[lament sonnet]

boat sims better tbh

just gonna try out can always come back to getting 2/2 boat

[craggy sonnet]

yea but mushroom is also kinda doing things i dont like

proccing on gather

giving me random influx of ap so that i overcap mid starfire cast

[lament sonnet]

shrooms sim higher than stellar amp for me but yea

get ur point

[craggy sonnet]

it does?

interesting

maybe its a stat thing idk

[wicked shuttle]

they also can proc the slow on the murlocs as they flee

[craggy sonnet]

okaaaaay

[wicked shuttle]

just pressing sunfire too early 8)

[craggy sonnet]

yea well

what do you want me to do on say halls first pull

[wicked shuttle]

oh yeah if you proc it on that houndmaster

lmfao

i was just being annoying, im sure you know when to sunfire

[craggy sonnet]

but not sunfiring that initial pack

they are gonna come in like way late

and its annoying either way

[wicked shuttle]

ping the dk to grip

that houndmaster is annoying

[craggy sonnet]

but even the other mobs are gonna be late

but yea

was just saying

proc can be annoying

[dense steeple]

i hate EC man

and i hate these soul hunters

[drifting nova]

opinion rejected

[cloud plover]

L onion

[dense steeple]

ec is L

[stone ledge]

bro frick salad bar

bm hunter ass boss

[lofty depot]

?

[stone ledge]

so much movement

[lofty depot]

i got some tech 🙂

[lucid olive]

yeah play cat

big viber boss

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

when

[ionic oak]

anyone still using jastor or just me

for EC

[lofty depot]

just u

[ionic oak]

its outsimming my other 704s

its like this

[delicate perch]

are your other 704s perhapds not haste mast

[lofty depot]

maybe get better than 704 🙂

also, if it sims within like 10k its probably worth just swapping

stam + bug alone

[ionic oak]

Haste Heavy Mastery ring and Masyery heavy haste ring

BRUH

arctic i asked you about the bug liek 2 weeks ago bro

i believed you

[lofty depot]

??

[ionic oak]

yeah i was like "yo hunter disc saying jastor bugged and just telling their people to swap to a heroic ring"

you were like "just unequip and reequip"

i was like for sure boss thank you

[lofty depot]

correct

and if u dont want to do that

u can just unequip it and equip a different ring

[ionic oak]

oh so im good to just keep rocking it?

hells yeah

[lofty depot]

now i understand, shade killed doug dimmidome

[buoyant siren]

i just got mythic spire tonight. I think the play now is go vers embellishment on wrist and belt right?

[ebon parcel]

hi can i macro araz trinket to convoke?

[lucid olive]

Macro to CA

[lofty depot]

for m+ sure

[buoyant siren]

thinking it is what is best for raid too

unless I can get dagger from vault or something eventually

[dapper wing]

Sim it. But probably

[buoyant siren]

no way I could take that as loot until all of the casters get a good setup

[dapper wing]

if you can't play ascendance

[lofty depot]

ud be wrong

because we dont like haste

[lucid olive]

Depends what the alternative is

[lofty depot]

and its week 5, so if u didnt have a myth weapon u should have staff crafted which is the best til u get myth kris

[buoyant siren]

its crafted staff, embellished wrists, delve belt while hoping plexus drops soon

or m spire, embellished wrists and belt

[lofty depot]

whats the sim say

[buoyant siren]

said it was an upgrade right away without even fixing my belt / 2nd embellishment

[lofty depot]

link sim

[buoyant siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tppA19Tb96hSYjMieuwYNs

small upgrade

[lofty depot]

the fuck is blessed weapon grip

[buoyant siren]

wat