balance

[fleet furnace]

No buffs?

[scenic mist]

wdym

there was a buff 4 days ago

[fleet furnace]

Need more.

[scenic mist]

you might

[vital hound]

im fkn blasting

nerf boomkin

[scenic mist]

[lofty depot]

11.2.5 is in 3 weeks ur not getting buffed between now and then big dawg

probably not even getting buffed then

[celest rampart]

was obviously asking the value of the unique ability

great contribution

[vital hound]

12.2 rework

is gonna bang

[lofty depot]

12.2 ?!?!?!

kill me

[vital hound]

was obviously asking the value of the unique ability
great contribution
@teal sphinx @delicate perch

[lofty depot]

its always a sim it question

[vital hound]

yea gas leaked it to me

season 3 midnight

we're getting an eclipse rework

[scenic mist]

cant wait to be back to pendulum

[vital hound]

nah they're just building in dryad and ec tier set

deleting starsurge, all spenders are rng procs

they're gonna make us regret asking for change like with pulsar

[lofty depot]

didnt ask for pulsar change

smh

[scenic mist]

between 6:30am and 6:30pm you only do nature damage, and only arcane damage the night

new eclipse system preview

cant wait to tell my guild we'll need to day raid

[teal sphinx]

What a hopelessly pretentious thing to say. Get over yourself.

[delicate perch]

Did you perhaps read it

A bean shield against bean damage

[scenic mist]

wdym bean damage

the shield isnt big but cosmic damage is basically every usual magic school

arcane/nature/holy/shadow

[vital hound]

im 3.4k io bud pack it in

[teal sphinx]

im finding out that fast that there really is some toxic shits in here whipping out there cocks all the time rather than constructive help

[celest rampart]

tool tip isn't correct on wowhead for amount absorbed, whats the internal cd ect...

does it work in m+ or just raid

[scenic mist]

works everywhere

[delicate perch]

It would work anywhere your boots proc

[celest rampart]

awesome ty

[delicate perch]

It’d want to be a sizeable survivability gain to want more haste from a single item than most Druids have total though

[celest rampart]

if I take a single hit for say 2m will it reduce that hit by 50% or will it reduce that hit by the number it absorbs, so like 500k

how does theese types of % reductions work

[scenic mist]

if total absorb is say 2m

it will absorb 1m

[celest rampart]

ok ty

[scenic mist]

it's always maximum 50% of the damage event, but cant be more than the shield value (obviously)

[scenic mist]

this is our resto shaman 710 ring on our mythic dimmy kill

i'd say it's kinda big but it being random makes it meh

[iron chasm]

I can keep you surviving

[iron chasm]

Thank you for representing Oceania

[vital hound]

[celest rampart]

ty mate

[delicate perch]

Better than I expected

[delicate perch]

Thank you

[scenic mist]

wont ever come close to df s2 cloak embelishment sadly

[delicate perch]

sporecloak

[hexed owl]

hi everyone, idk if its the correct channel to ask. but does the 2nd incarn bug out for keeper of the grove? normally after your first dried dies, you reactivated CA to get a fresh BoAT. Then u had CA for 12 seconds and a window of 2 seconds to shoot your 2nd buffed starsurges. but iam testing at the dummy atm, and my 2nd CA i activate only lasts for about 10.5 seconds, so i only have a window of 0.5 seconds

[normal pilot]

pvp dummy

[scenic mist]

damn you're fast

[hexed owl]

i tested on the raid boss dummy, but i guess convoke healed/dpsed someone on the pvp dummy?

[scenic mist]

go try on belameth dummy, no doubt there

[delicate perch]

pretty easy to get flagged on the ground area

[hexed owl]

whats/where is the belameth dummy?

[scenic mist]

i'd say the starfall from the dryad hit the pvp dummy

[hexed owl]

i just dont understand why CA would only last 10.5sec in PvP mode?

i understand there is set-bonus scaling in pvp. but i never saw CA beeing lower duration in pvp

[hexed owl]

CA is indeed 10.5sec while iam attacking the pvp dummy. thats super strange. i doesnt even have a pvpmodifier on wowhead

[scenic mist]

never trust the tooltip dev team

[delicate perch]

is it not whirling stars that's pvp flagged

[hexed owl]

i see. thanks for the quick help. i was super confused

[scenic mist]

it is

[delicate perch]

12s 2x charges sounds kinda cracked

[hexed owl]

ye i just checked for CA scaling

[scenic mist]

[obsidian timber]

Does anyone know of a place with fight by fight breakdowns on what to do in MFO? I specifically struggle in the fights with adds, where I'm parsing like 25% and I know I have to be missing something major, I'm like 2mil under where I should be.

[delicate perch]

lorrgs will show you when the top logs press buttons, but you can also link a log and someone will look at it for you eventually\

[obsidian timber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FygTB23MGVrKqpCx?fight=20&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

no need for kindling

most those adds die in 5 seconds

the intermission live for like 20

thats a lot of gilded hm

ok anyway

1. you trees before ca not during it
2. why is there 2 gcds between your trees and surge
3. your 2nd ca is after convoke ends now... and even just you sent the next not with last 2 seconds of trees which is important

theres no need to starfall the adds.

2 starfalls which did 3m when 1 surge on avg does 3m

as a general rule, you should understand you shouldnt be dumping a lot of asp at the end of eclipse

you should be spending at the start of eclipses

you shuoldnt be dotting in ca

you have a set amount of time to do damage and your wasting gcds

also ca isnt a gcd, so thats 2 globals between starfall and trees there

is that a macro.....

that seems curious its uses at exactly the same time

if you know ur going to trees, i logically you should want to spend those surges with trees

do you know that trees increases ur damage

seems funny to randomly press vigil there 1 time. just macro it to ca

shuoldve brought it up with your first set of cds but didnt... you should be surging with the last 2 seconds in your ca.. you need to be pooling asp for the end of ca to get said damage in the window

youre actively either not tracking it or dont know youre suppose to play around it

you didnt use the buff at all

so ill assume you dont know what it is or dont track it

dont surge outside of eclipse

should be double ca-ing at the 430 in intermission

weird timing with ca convoke no trees

tldr, the adds arent the problem

[digital berry]

Damn he asked for log review and just dipped

[mental plover]

review these

[pulsar trout]

Nice review tho

[hazy storm]

yo who cooked on mythic soul hunters running stellar amp

[round field]

Nice

Of course its arctic

[lofty depot]

imagine going to look

[round field]

I had to

[hazy storm]

LOL

[round field]

Does amp even work with the tier set surges

[lofty depot]

had 56% uptime

it works on the primary surge

[round field]

Only the primary?

Lame

[lofty depot]

ye

but...... i peaked 2m higher than when i was mushrooming 🙂

peaked at 21m dps

[round field]

Ur just bad at mushrooming

[lofty depot]

prob

[stark haven]

Anyone feeling a bit weaker in M+? Trying to figure out what's going on. Because I feel like my overall has dropped really bad this week :/

[lofty depot]

maybe youre playing incorrectly

[stark haven]

I barely burst over 10-15mill anymore even in big aoe pulls and I used to. Didn't change talents or how I was playing at all

[lofty depot]

could be doing 10s when everyone is over geared

[ionic surge]

^

[stark haven]

Yeah, things aren't staying alive for long

Currently trying to do 10s-12s

[lofty depot]

idk shits piss easy

[royal zenith]

[livid jay]

anyone got tips for saladhaar prog? Im now two nights of prog in, we are starting to make it into and almost through intermission more often now

[livid jay]

[pallid bay]

feel like the fight is pretty straightforward no?

bait dodge soak claws repeat

kill boss

[livid jay]

yea so far it does, its just a really hard p1 but everyones improving steadily

[pallid bay]

press defensive for each soak

bear claws

top yourself before invoke

[lofty depot]

blizzard just making the hardest lines possible (cuz my raiders)

[pallid bay]

move far from boss for the 3 spirits

[livid jay]

bear claws? i feel like im fine without, u doing that to help healers get people up before next soak?

[pallid bay]

there's this fun concept

where you have limited amount of throughput

[livid jay]

😄

yea

i guess i could bear claws every time

i hate pressing bear tho

[tiny ridge]

gg

i forgot how bad is the game

[pallid bay]

you dont have to but its prog and damage dosnt matter

[livid jay]

ye youre right

[livid jay]

man yesterday on prog

multiple times

i wanted to press the weakaura to fix the control bug

BUT I COULDNT

CAUSE THERES ANOTHER BUG

[tiny ridge]

idc the game is not playable alone

[livid jay]

that makes us not able to press anything if we die while mindcontrolled in shapeshift or sth

[pallid bay]

just shapeshift while stunned

[tiny ridge]

looks like i will play 10s every week for vault

playing above 10s in pugs is like playing in a casino and want to win

[pallid bay]

dont pug

[tiny ridge]

ye i have no one to play with

[dire osprey]

find guild

[tiny ridge]

i tried

also not possible

[dire osprey]

[tiny ridge]

either they want last season mythic raid progress

or they dont need dudu

[dire osprey]

well i had same

i started raiding mythic p much first time in s1

and in s2/this season im getting CE

just find a heroic guild

that does like a few bosses mythic

1-3 or so

[tiny ridge]

ye and thats it

thats a loop

[dire osprey]

and then go next when u get some parses

[tiny ridge]

i have not finshed hc too

i tried 3 times with pug

spent 2 hours on 3rd boss

no ty

[livid jay]

i cant imagine that its that hard to find a heroic and semi mythic raiding guild?

[tiny ridge]

is not hard

but u have to find someone who is looking for dudu

and u will kill like 3 bosses on m and thats it

[dire osprey]

well yea thats the point

u kill a few, try to farm good parses

and then if u wanna do more u look for new guild

[livid jay]

yea exactly

u wont go from zero mythic raiding experience to ce in one tier

unless you know people who know you are good

[round field]

if i was a mythic raider

i would not invite boxna into my guild

[hollow patio]

There are many guilds looking for Balance druids

[spark anchor]

you def can

[tiny ridge]

thats the reason that u are not a mythic raider

[sudden flame]

I did in abberus

not sure if you guys realise how down bad guilds are in the lower ends of world rankings

[spark anchor]

yeah

wr 800-1000 guilds will take anyone with a pulse

[dire osprey]

i feel like generally they still look at shit, even if its hc parses

if its CE guild atleast

s1 was my first season raiding, joined a 2 myth guild

then swapped guilds a month or so later

we got to ansurek

but didnt kill

then i swapped again

[round field]

[dire osprey]

s2 was easy CE and prob this season aswell

gonna salad soon

[tiny ridge]

looks easy when u find the right guild

[dire osprey]

my 2nd guild had a 77 year old holy priest

who's grandkids are older then me

and he gets CE's

surely u cna aswell

[tiny ridge]

no time to keep searching for guilds all the time and trying untill i found the right one

[dire osprey]

not with that attitude

[tiny ridge]

attitude and time are same thing? Did not know

[wise hare]

idk feels like you arent actually trying hard enough ngl

[dire osprey]

or at all

[wise hare]

you will be guild hopping quite a lot at the low end thats just how it is

[tiny ridge]

ye this season im not

[wise hare]

then you have no reason to complain that you arent killing anything

[dire osprey]

also

add ur discord and shit to the recruitment websites/raiderio

[sudden flame]

my first ever mythic guild we got world last abberus good times

[dire osprey]

had alot of ppl dm me if i wanted to get into raiding

before i even stepped into mythic

[livid jay]

lmao actual world last?

pog

[sudden flame]

ya

[dire osprey]

just because i was doing semi high m+

[livid jay]

we got world first tindral 5 heal xD

[wise hare]

i went from 0 mythic raiding exp to world 10 within 1 xpac

if you actually care and dont suck at your class anything is possible

[livid jay]

you must be a cranker

[tiny ridge]

cuz ur pro

[livid jay]

thats not just "not sucking" anymore 😄

[wise hare]

not really

raiding on the top end just takes a fuck ton of dedication

[pallid bay]

german efficiency

[dire osprey]

german mechanics

[wise hare]

@pallid bay how many boomys does evolve have

[lofty depot]

none, he plays feral

[dire osprey]

[wise hare]

weak mentality

[pallid bay]

we have mascot druid player

[sudden flame]

[pallid bay]

boomkin players are generationally bad though

no need for them

[wise hare]

?

[lofty depot]

dsune bad, heard it here first

[pallid bay]

pressing starfall for better parses during prog, dosnt want to bear form, complains about defensives while not playing defensively

[wise hare]

see thats why you recruit me

🙃

i already went through my parsing phase years ago

[pallid bay]

recruiting you would mean one of us rides the bench

[wise hare]

nah

gotta think further

boomy will just be so strong you need both

[maiden pasture]

There rework coming for midnight you'll need 2

[delicate perch]

insane cope

[pallid bay]

let me hit that cope

[wise hare]

i played tiers where we had 4 boomys

[maiden pasture]

Or join hatewatching and be the 4th moonkin main

[delicate perch]

the rework will force rdruid into the only viable mark bringer

gg

[tiny ridge]

idk why people join group when they leave after a minute

[wise hare]

options are limited

[pallid bay]

probably because you're missing healer/tank and there's 0 in the queue

[wise hare]

i just dont wanna do more than 4 days i think

[tiny ridge]

we just needed heal

[pallid bay]

or they inspected you and thought this is not worth the time it will take

[wise hare]

🙅‍♂️ to 7 days

[tiny ridge]

just not worth

making key 1 hour just to fail in 5 min

[delicate perch]

if only there was a way to not require group finder

ah well...

[pallid bay]

see this is why you find a team to play with

[tiny ridge]

stupid game design

[pallid bay]

hate when i have to interact with other players for my grouped content

[maiden pasture]

Just raid 2 days with me surely you wanna raid with Ava RL again

[pallid bay]

[delicate perch]

stupid mmo requiring people

[pallid bay]

[wise hare]

i dont even know what i wanna do

doubt ill get anything going this tier

and might wanna raid a bit higher next

[pallid bay]

if you wanna raid higher next tier you def want to find a guild this tier

[sudden flame]

theres no training wheels fated season

[round field]

dont interact

[wise hare]

yea ofc

[round field]

ragebaiter

[tiny ridge]

time to downgrade key so i can find a group to play it

[maiden pasture]

What u seeing as "higher"

Back to top 10 or

[pallid bay]

boxna complaining about keys, forming groups, timing keys above 10, interacting with other players, playing a mmo, waiting

[tiny ridge]

bcs im not playing im just waiting

[pallid bay]

[maiden pasture]

Bro this boxna guy I'm like 90% sure is a long term troll

[wise hare]

idk anything around 5-50

[pallid bay]

he just wants to game man

[lofty depot]

u would think that

[maiden pasture]

I refuse to believe someone would screenshot after every dungeon and post it in a channel like this showing him doing 0 dps

[vital hound]

its a good farm

he building up

for sure

[lofty depot]

people on spectrum dont know that theyre on it

[pallid bay]

looking good, keep it up

[vital hound]

bro's started topping

[round field]

im sure someone told them...

[vital hound]

lfg box

[sudden flame]

706 ivl is bro even playing the game.....

[lofty depot]

damn hes fragging

[pallid bay]

mods get him

[maiden pasture]

Surely still got some connections to hook you up from aversion days. Not going through the aids job application process

[pallid bay]

maybe there's some guilds that will look at that

[lofty depot]

what if he made a casual to top 10 vlog

lock in

[pallid bay]

think most will just dismiss it tbh

any app we get that is like

"i owned in BFA"

dnc

[maiden pasture]

I think unless they specifically raided with him ye

[tiny ridge]

how ilvl710 with 500 rio?

[lofty depot]

do people actually apply to top 20 guilds with no recent experience

[pallid bay]

500 rio??

bro what

you're not even playing the game

[maiden pasture]

Bro some people send the craziest apps

[tiny ridge]

not me someone who applied

[pallid bay]

you get like 2000 by timing all keys on +6 or something

[lofty depot]

i mean we get rats but we were like r900 last tier

[wise hare]

i wouldnt bother flexxing that think thats hella dumb

[pallid bay]

yes..

[maiden pasture]

We get some 7/8nm applying cause they don't understand how the whole guild shit works

[pallid bay]

we've gotten some classic andys

[wise hare]

id just mention that i too a break playing LA for a xpac after aversion died and now came back

[lofty depot]

have u tried any?

[maiden pasture]

They trialed Jdotb and psybear, they took enough risks

[tiny ridge]

looks like doing 10 domes and wait for next week is the best choice

[lofty depot]

smh, trialing as a druid with an officer as druid

shouldve known

[vital hound]

evolve trial speedrun any%

[sudden flame]

top 10 wr in BC wotlk cata looking for retail guild

[maiden pasture]

I was thinking, have you had any druid mains actually pass trial anytime recently @pallid bay ? Or was the last one you

[pallid bay]

no

[maiden pasture]

Idk if nish applied as druid main or just multi classermans

[pallid bay]

thats one of our apps

[lofty depot]

giga chad, 2700

[pallid bay]

we havnt had any druid trials tbh

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/vQ0Y.gif

[wise hare]

looks better than mine

[tiny ridge]

still better than me

[wise hare]

sorry but that aint hard from what i read

[lofty depot]

i mena this was our last app

[vital hound]

dont get him started

[lofty depot]

miss me recruiting another melee

[tiny ridge]

pro player reading about 2.7k rating ?

[wise hare]

pro xd

[pallid bay]

like idk this is his logs, heroic

[wise hare]

i cringed a bit

[lofty depot]

went from 10 to 16 hoa

3k is piss easy

[drifting nova]

I can beat him

[maiden pasture]

Get him in

[pallid bay]

at least he entered mythic

[lofty depot]

true

he posted feral logs, but why pick up blue parsing feral when god gamer boomkin already in guild

[maiden pasture]

This was a good app we got recently

[sudden flame]

im like 90% sure half our applies use chatgpt

[lofty depot]

[maiden pasture]

Bro jailbaited his last guild

😭

[wise hare]

i swar i have never applied to a guild properly

[vital hound]

this was our most recent app

[pallid bay]

think if i read a chatgpt app im just autodeclining

[wise hare]

this shit is cringed as fuck

[lofty depot]

"i cant use mic, im sick"

[wise hare]

holy

[vital hound]

2 night buff is op

[pallid bay]

real

[maiden pasture]

Yeah it's so aids

[pallid bay]

the secret is

[tiny ridge]

ok ppl not even apply in 11 🙂 this loop cant end

[wise hare]

not looking forward to this shit

[lofty depot]

its one of hte reason i didnt leave my guild

[pallid bay]

you dont actually have to tryhard the app

[drifting nova]

so it's a waste of everyones time

[lofty depot]

then my hof guild died and i cba trying to move up the ladder again

[pallid bay]

the people reading it is equally interested as you are in writing it

[maiden pasture]

I haven't had to write a proper application since evolve I think, just been bouncing around off of vouches

[wise hare]

yea true

[wise hare]

ngl i would def. do the same if i join some world 200 guild or smth

[maiden pasture]

Ur always welcome

[wise hare]

whats ur guild

[vital hound]

app to this is fine

if you're eu

[maiden pasture]

Who asked

[wise hare]

why does it sound so familiar

[maiden pasture]

With a bunch of people from quick discord still

Used to be Try Harder when u raided here I think

[wise hare]

o

is anyone still left

[maiden pasture]

Idk who was here when u were tbh

[pallid bay]

arent they a weekend guild

[vital hound]

ye

sat sun

but insane low pullcount

[ionic surge]

The secret is to have Csh do it for you, literally 100% success rate for me out of like 4 guilds

[maiden pasture]

Long term people are like

Ava, flupsy, bughar, dopa, kappa

[wise hare]

the thing is they would 100% just decline me unless someone knows me

[pallid bay]

they're also a bunch of echo/project/method/w/e other guild players

[wise hare]

i have no logs to show as of now

nearly no m+

right now iam living of reputation

[vital hound]

ye they're the ex rwf guild

[vital hound]

you have rep tho surely

[wise hare]

well ofc

[pallid bay]

ex? there are current RWF raiders in there or

[maiden pasture]

Ye dont like

Ftm heleni skane raid there

Current WF gamers

[tiny ridge]

is eveoker fun to play?

[maiden pasture]

Is this ever relevant

[vital hound]

i thought it was like telegon retirement guild

[pallid bay]

some prob are but there's def active RWF raiders as well

[maiden pasture]

I feel like the only time I've heard m+ being relevant is you get into guilds off of vouch from your m+ team

[lofty depot]

koltra too

[maiden pasture]

Never like high score = good app

[wise hare]

well yea but i also dont have heroic logs

[lofty depot]

simply get them

[vital hound]

private log ratatouille

[scenic mist]

Isn’t This is fine just Method alt guild tho ?

I thought so

[wise hare]

all good ill just show my legion logs

[maiden pasture]

Not completely but a few yea

[lofty depot]

tell them game was harder back then too

[wise hare]

nvm i found my SL logs

[pallid bay]

just link them heroic 29 boomkins vs SoD logs

based

back when the game was good..

[scenic mist]

Based

[wise hare]

so true

[maiden pasture]

Mayaler r3 😤

Just crit 😤

[nova yarrow]

are soulhunters the only boss we play with eulune? ( m+ )

[violet spindle]

Is there some type of of weakaura out there that shows you when you can pre cast wrath near the end of lunar eclipse?

[ionic surge]

Its included in Oi's boomkin package

Can probably just extract it if you don't want the whole thing

[violet spindle]

Dunno who that is but I'll try find it on wag.io thank you

[sudden flame]

He's a feral druid player

[scenic mist]

[sudden flame]

[scenic mist]

@pallid bay say something

[scenic mist]

https://wago.io/OiBalance

It’s in the compendium guide in pins

[violet spindle]

Yep I found it, thank you 🙂

Also sorry if that came across rude lmao

[scenic mist]

No no

[pallid bay]

[pallid bay]

real

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/illidan-bah-gif-10891728

Is that you ?

[ionic surge]

Is Illidan a feral druid mfer

[violet spindle]

How do I extract something from that WA package?

[fiery heart]

This is fine?

[scenic mist]

was going for the betrayer vibe

[ionic surge]

[maiden pasture]

Import it and move stuff out, but if you're asking how to do that I imagine you'll need help actually moving stuff around

[analog condor]

can someone explain why people in my group often say mages dont work well in m+, as balance i kinda get 3% intelect, also healer gets that too ? are they too hard in pug comps or?

[ionic surge]

People who say that have not seen the highest timed key leaderboard

[jade flume]

Mage doesnt have giga omega aoe, but their prio is really good. But most mages are not good which makes the spec look worse than it is

And the fact that a really good mage will probably not top dam in most keys since arcane is not an overall dam blaster

Probably skews the perspective a bit

[alpine dagger]

is there a way to fix my boss damage in m+? i know its not exactly the boomy niche in keys but still would like to improve. any talent swaps or something one can reasonably do to not just be a starfall bot

[vital hound]

rerolling is a decent fix

[ionic surge]

Improve your st rotation, minimize movement etc and you'll be doing decent enough damage

We're no boss killers but we're not tank damage either

[analog condor]

Some tips if u can help me with ,tried arakara 16, , but at first pull for some reason nearest attendant near Ixin, the first big spider, always stays not intrerupted, when he casts first web bolt ,took a dh not a dk , i have wa also to track intre and omni cc . If i use solar beam as last resort then i don;t have beam when the packs are grouped so they dont move like to prioritize the 8 seconds silence the best. Is solar beam used only for grouped packs of mages, or should i risk for intrerupt so the mob cancel its cast and comes to us near the tank for the big pull , or is best to keep for aoe pack silence? here is more like risk the beam on single target or only use it for mass aoe silence?

[ionic surge]

Treat solar beam like a normal kick unless you have an already agreed upon strategy with your group

If you can wait a bit to see if someone takes the kick then by all means wait but if the cast goes off and you didnt press your button because you were keeping it for something a bit better then its on you

[dire osprey]

wipe, flame other dps for not kicking and leave

[ionic surge]

[dire osprey]

but ye if u playing with donkeys with tunnel vision just kick

p much every group has a dk currently but none of them use grip

[analog condor]

i had war tank , resto sham, dh dps, mage dps

nah idont evne bother to flame, gg next key

[astral root]

Because mages are the ultimate d20 roll

[delicate perch]

clearly not OCE

[sonic helm]

Hello everyone! It’s my first tier as balance and as I’m progressing i see that i often drop dream state between pull. Is there a tip for a newbe on how to constantly have dream state between pulls?

[delicate perch]

it's easier to precast without most of the time

[devout hazel]

yeah tbh, it doesnt really matter if you have it prepull or not, the dreamstate would just change the time you start your pre-cast

[sonic helm]

But doesn’t my first wrath hit the boss then before I hit with starfire? With Dreamstate at 3 sec it feels pretty perfekt timing wise.

[jaunty blaze]

That's why you stand at max range

[sonic helm]

Yes. If i stand max range with Dreamstate I cast at 3 sec. Wrath - Wrath - Starfire and connect at 0. If I don’t have Dreamstate I can delay the first wrath. But as soon as it flys the time is the same and I can’t fit wrath and starfire inside that window and connect at 0. Therefor my question if there’s a war to constantly have dreamstate in prog

[delicate perch]

idk if you can cast at 3 with dreamstate

that's surely too fast

[jaunty blaze]

There is no world starfire connects if you precast at 3 seconds

Unless you have extreme levels of haste

[lofty depot]

I actively cancel it

[cedar leaf]

does control the dream sometimes bug and doesnt give cdr?

[round oracle]

with pretty low haste(10k) wrath cast is 1.3secs and dreamstate makes it 0.78sec :D its pretty hard to get over 1sec off from 1,3sec cast

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

Pretty much after every wipe in which you used cds

[cedar leaf]

I couldn't figure out why I wasnt able to have cds for nexus burn

so what you just respec ?

[jaunty blaze]

There is a weakaura that reminds you to swap talents

Might be in the compendium too not sure

[lament sonnet]

it is linked in compendium

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

You might also be playing grove

But it should be up, can't remember

[haughty moon]

this is kinda stupid but does starfire primary target damage count for nature's vigil in ec? or does it not count at all since it hits multiple targets

[livid jay]

it should count

idk vigil is weird af

i think even starfall counts (hard questionmark, might be talking shit)

[haughty moon]

👀

[livid jay]

but its whatever

macro it into incarn and forget about it for the rest of your days

[pallid bay]

primary should count

starfall counts

[delicate perch]

ya I've seen gas say it counts and he's a knower

[glacial spindle]

Should we always be running potent enchantments or does it depend on fight length?

[lofty depot]

Starfall hits all the targets individually 🙂

[lofty depot]

Depends on fight timer

[haughty moon]

in higher keys are we expected to pop the soleah soak circles for healer? like 15+ can they just not move and heal it fast enough?

assuming the tank doesn't move the boss closer when the soak comes up ofc

[upper anvil]

normally healer does it

[haughty moon]

that's what i thought but in 15/16 they aren't

i don't know if i'm crazy

[hazy storm]

How’d yall prog last night / any tips

I fell asleep

[turbid crypt]

It does make it easier if the healer doesn't do the soaking so they can plant and heal everyone up.

during phase 2

[strange edge]

Yeah depends on group and healer

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, tell your tanks to not move the fucking soak last minute

I fucking tilted so hard man

Like he would move and it looks clear, the 0.5s left on soak he continues to move

We saw some people soak like closer to center and some people soak towards the edge.

[hazy storm]

Is your vod worth rewatching you think

[lofty depot]

Soaking towards center felt better

[hazy storm]

Idk how long you went

[lofty depot]

Like 30 wipes

[hazy storm]

Ill glance it

[lofty depot]

Felt like tank trolled all of them tho

Moving the soak last second, I fucking snapped man

[jade flume]

What boss

Nexus king?

[lofty depot]

Nexus

[hazy storm]

Nexus

[jade flume]

Ye we had some wipes to soak moving last second

[lofty depot]

"just stand on the center", shows him gif of him moving forever

[jade flume]

If u do double - single

Do u get double ca back on the amp

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[jade flume]

Man, i think bamkin can really pipe the boss then

Just need to proc

Ur still not gonna beat hunters since they do 10mil dps outside of amps tho ofc

[lofty depot]

He's making me roar like every minute

Does he not know I'm trying to DPS?

[jade flume]

Yeah i had that too

Had to roar 15s in

In the middle of my berserk

[lofty depot]

Yea I told him to fuck off with that

I do 52 and 252

But it fucks my eclipse timing, so I send it at 50, get mad

Also, cosmos feels good

Need the extra surge

[jade flume]

Man

Anyone knows if i reach exactly 720 ilvl

Do i get the achievement or i have to be above 720

[lofty depot]

Think it's 720 avg

[jade flume]

Man i hope so because im exactly 720 on the reset

If i recraft wrists

[lofty depot]

Recrafting wrist ewwww

I need neck ring, belt, or kris

[jade flume]

Its actually not that far off just upgrading shoulders instead

Surprisingly

Because i gain 16 ilvls instead of 12

For 60 crests

But i do it to get the achievement

Otherwise i cant reach it

[lofty depot]

Would craft oh if Kris in vault. If nothing in vault, I upgrade my random items don't recraft til next week maybe or shrug

[jade flume]

My vault is guaranteed socklet since extend

[lofty depot]

Lol just need socket for belt and I'm full sockets

Got soul hunter boots left night

[hazy storm]

I’m only 716 wtf

[lofty depot]

Same

[hazy storm]

I hate you

[lofty depot]

Wait fuck

I can't get nexus command trinket anymore

[hazy storm]

Extra craft this week or next week?

[jade flume]

Same

[lofty depot]

This week

We have 6 vault fuck

[hazy storm]

Boots or ring in vault this week for sure

[lofty depot]

Kris is like 90k inc

[hazy storm]

Spicy

[lofty depot]

I might sim 5.8 this week

[jade flume]

Wth

I sim 5.5 barely

[lofty depot]

Gear fed

I told gm I got fractilly boots so I already had boots just not soul hunter boots..... He said yeah everyone has soul hunter boots but u

Ok o well tried to not take gear

[upper anvil]

once again tis another L vault

is it another socket take mr artic

[lofty depot]

Did u craft oh yet?

Could be a socket tho

[jade flume]

Strong socklet contender

[glad light]

augh...myth track signet of the false accuser or lily of the eternal weave?

[lofty depot]

Lily

[upper anvil]

I have a crafted 2 hander

[lofty depot]

U play oh eventually

[restive cosmos]

I'm not able to sim at this time, and I know the correct answer is "sim your shit." but for folks not M raiding, what will generally be better, the special cloak shoes, or 723 generic boots?

[upper anvil]

Oh is mainly for raid i assume tho?

[lofty depot]

Soul hunter boots

[misty glade]

Finally a vault with a sexy trinket

[restive cosmos]

ty muchly. socket it is

[jade flume]

Wouldnt u play crafted off hand tho

[lofty depot]

No

Dawn thread better

[jade flume]

At 200% uptime or

[lofty depot]

U do play crafted if u don't have one obviously

[ebon parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uRZvqpfKVzHJtJ9QqKZiuN

which trinket should i get? the azhic trinket, i doubt i will see it again in my vault

[lofty depot]

U could see them again with dinars in 3 weeks

Araz is better generally

Fix your stats

[upper anvil]

So mr artic what's the move. Sims says gigazap the most. I don't have a crafted off hand for the weapons which I didn't Sim for

[ebon parcel]

you mean astral antenna?

[ebon parcel]

to crit mastery ya?

[lofty depot]

Oh, cant see the gv icon

Yes

[lofty depot]

Sim Crit mastery and vers mastrry

[lofty depot]

Well it's a use Kris with oh angle, so u would have to sim top gear looking at that

Giga did get buffed lol

[ebon parcel]

thanks!

[upper anvil]

hm

[lofty depot]

But how much more is gigazapp

[upper anvil]

i dont have my raid gear on, but about 17k or like .4%

[lofty depot]

Get it on?

[misty vapor]

nice

[ebon parcel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mNNVUJQYhfvhJzmCRbdXd2

both -0.4% dps loss for me
so i guess i keep haste mastery on my weapon ya?

[misty vapor]

way too much haste

you need max 6.5% haste

[lofty depot]

It's -0.4 because droptimizer doesn't use embells

[ebon parcel]

ooohhh

[lofty depot]

Use top gear when simming crafts

Also, ur simming weekly and not latest

Change that while ur at it

[upper anvil]

hm hand of beledar with a crafted oh sims .7% if maxed

[misty vapor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5SXJdcTdePG3ztVxRPJ29P

[lofty depot]

Blud thinks I said take mh

Tragic really

[upper anvil]

i was curious man

[lofty depot]

U should sim your weapon enchants

[lofty depot]

U too

[upper anvil]

but is the on use kris worth it if the highest id most likely get is hero

[lofty depot]

No

[misty vapor]

versus which enchants ?

[lofty depot]

The other ones

[upper anvil]

ima jsut take the socket tbh

[lofty depot]

(the stat ones :D)

[misty vapor]

i just need trinkets now and i'll be happy

waiting for the vault of tomorrow

[digital berry]

Wdym vault is today

[misty vapor]

in EU it is tomorrow

[digital berry]

[jade flume]

Vault is wednesday

Everyone knows that

[ebon parcel]

ok.
so i need 2 sets of items
first with low haste for keeper
second with higher haste for elune
is this correct?

[upper anvil]

everyone knows EU folks dont exist

[misty vapor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pjv9qzLQK6YEFyQfXTjzWy

[unkempt tree]

What should I craft this week? I already have a weapon(haste/mast) and wrist(crit/mast) crafted

[upper anvil]

could craft belt

[lofty depot]

I wear mastery cuz gooder for aoe

[unkempt tree]

really? I've seen that no shoulder gives good stats and the first boss in M ​​gives belt crit/mast

[lofty depot]

?

Loomithar good stats

[upper anvil]

loom gives mast verse thats not too shabby

[lofty depot]

Bet he thinks haste is good

And vers bad

[upper anvil]

speaking of craft. what should i craft sir artic, is it a ring or neck approach 🤔

[jade flume]

Whatever is the off piece for bamkin

[lofty depot]

Idk I tried both and sim said to upgrade shoulders hands

[jade flume]

Altho i think that would be head that u have on mythic

So probably ring

[lofty depot]

So I get Kris and craft oh this week, or don't get upgrade shoulders/hands craft nothing

Assumption is neck good

[misty glade]

Are the craftable rings Unique, or can you wear 2?

[lofty depot]

U can craft 2

[misty glade]

Got it. Ty gary

[lofty depot]

What the

[unkempt tree]

so. at what point crit sims less than versa?

[lofty depot]

When u get enough of it

[wet solstice]

Is antenna not very good for boomkin? Everyone is creaming themselves for this thing but it's simming lower than a random myth track ring in my vault.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9aiw1bMK1jfL2qxQmoENf1

[jaunty blaze]

Less good for ec probably

Pretty good for keeper

[wet solstice]

I did the sim as keeper

[lofty depot]

Did u sim miss chance

Also why are we simming no raid buffa

Also ur simming weekly (won't change this but fix it)

[paper ember]

Should also change it to latest

[wet solstice]

Miss chance? Does that still exist in retail?
The no raid buffs is an error on my part.
Whats the difference between weekly sim and alternative?

[lofty depot]

Fix that too

[jaunty blaze]

miss chance for the trinket

you can miss orbs

[lofty depot]

Not the same miss chance lol

It's not soaking the orbs

Weekly is late to change on buffs and changes to say the apl

U should always be using latest unless stated otherwise

[wet solstice]

What do I do to sim this?

[wet solstice]

What am I meant to change about this?

[jaunty blaze]

its there in the middle

[lofty depot]

At the bottom where u change latest

[lofty depot]

Mastery Crit or mastery vers

Haste is yucky

[wet solstice]

is 20% the standard?

[jaunty blaze]

usually 20% yes

[lofty depot]

Standard for shitters yea

[gentle patio]

you're comparing the ring to a 1/6 myth ring
but the trinket to a 6/6 myth trinket

ofcourse the ring will give you more dps now.

[lofty depot]

I don't miss

[jaunty blaze]

sure

[wet solstice]

Ty for pointing that out. I'm relativley new at this sim stuff.

[normal pilot]

new ppl often discount the importance of ilevel, you get baited by various clickbait sites/ppl talking about "bis" and how X item is better but you always need to take the ilevel into account

[wet solstice]

Well tbc the error was not 'oh this should be better at all ilevels' I just didn't upgrade the ilevel for the sim.

My confusion is that antenna is supposed to be sploosh tier and even at max ilevel seems to sim worse than some random ring.

[round field]

It shouldnt

Usually

Is your silly priory proccing haste

[wet solstice]

mastery

[haughty moon]

In one of the first pulls of soleah’s, the tank normally grabs a few pack to the left and about a a third ish way into incarn a big ass pack of smaller mobs will walk into the pull. If you’re in incarn do you think you sunfire them as they walk or just starfire until incarn is over? Theres like a similar situation in halls with the anklebiter ads

[coral shell]

What are you guys crafting this week boys?

[round field]

You can drop a sunfire if the smallies live a bit

[upper anvil]

You bb

[lofty depot]

bruhhhhhhhhhh

gotta be the goat man

[round field]

Ive seen this fucking belt in my vault every single week

No ecceptions

[coral shell]

ya boyyy

[civic girder]

did a M+10 last week and got a veteran item in vault, is this a bug?

[lofty depot]

thats the 2nd item with socket on it

[haughty moon]

During incarn or wait until it’s over?

[lofty depot]

who needs to take sockets when u get them on items

[quaint obsidian]

what sim options do we use when simming for m+?

[lofty depot]

faq in compendium

[round field]

You can do it in incarn

Just depends when its pulled

Very vague question

[wet solstice]

Ty for all the help and feedback btw. ❤️

[haughty moon]

I said they pat in about third to half of way in incarn

But okay dot in incarn there is fine since theres so many of them I guess

[jovial comet]

Opened vault in guardian, rippp...
If I socket my crafted bracers now and I recraft during turbo charge, do I lose the socket?

[fossil hemlock]

Only between seasons

[jovial comet]

Tyvm

[limpid osprey]

oof all these are only less than 1% upgrade and i have 710 trinks from ECO. am i a socket kid this week? (no raids, only pushing m+ io)

[jaunty blaze]

mythic signet should be better than hc lily at least

[lofty depot]

OH good

[limpid osprey]

i have crafted 720 two hand with ascendence 🤔

[lofty depot]

doesnt matter

[jaunty blaze]

what stats are the oh

[lofty depot]

crit vers

[jaunty blaze]

yeah i mean he doesnt raid

[lofty depot]

maybe he should

[jaunty blaze]

well

[limpid osprey]

lollll

[lofty depot]

why are m+ers still here

we suck

reroll already

[limpid osprey]

lmaoo

life struggles, cant make time to raid.

[lofty depot]

hmm belt better than disc belt

lock in

@jade flume

[jaunty blaze]

almost comical

what even is this level of being fed

[lofty depot]

likely 718 after all upgrades?

idk

might wait til fractilly

surely 2 daggers drop

[pale swan]

I got it with socket too

30k dps more i think

[lofty depot]

hm

mage gets like 110k from it :/

[digital berry]

5.9 is crazy work funnelled bitch

[lofty depot]

???

guys listen, im not even top ilvl

[jade flume]

what the shizzle

[jaunty blaze]

priory ring tho

[lofty depot]

i need that ring wtf

[jaunty blaze]

you have all the items in the world

share some with the class

[lofty depot]

i have wrong rings

what u mean

[digital berry]

i have omega from normal still

[paper ember]

Meanwhile Im still rocking mythic jastor lol

[lofty depot]

guys lock in

heroic cache

[jaunty blaze]

what the helly

[lofty depot]

5 dungeon quest googogoogog

i need a trinket

[jaunty blaze]

which? nexus king?

[lofty depot]

Yes

Maybe we do heroic for buff

Double chance

[digital berry]

surely you do not waste raid time on heroic reclears

[lofty depot]

The buff tho

Last week we did heroic 1hr before raid

[digital berry]

yeah i mean youd be expected to run some lfr before raid

not eat at prog time

[lofty depot]

I do thag

But most dont

But that's why we did some funny 1hr before raid tech

[limpid osprey]

jw m8 you think i take socket? haha or is signet any good

[lofty depot]

2m trinket yucky

[jaunty blaze]

ye its not that great

up to you

[thin seal]

wrong channel

[coarse grove]

meh

[jaunty blaze]

gib ring

[paper ember]

Man says meh but gets a bis mythic ring 🙁

[coarse grove]

omega ring + crafted sim better than that at 723

not by much

[limpid osprey]

yeh was thinking so too. i guess i am socket kid xD

[lofty depot]

Don't Believe

Show sim

[coarse grove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f4zttSB1712WDv2LeBaEtY

sorry alpha ring technically

added a bunch of random stuff for that sim so might have to clean it up

[lofty depot]

So we're lying

[paper ember]

Liar liar pants on fire

[lofty depot]

Not even the worst thing I saw in that sim

And they're both mastery haste

Simming weekly, change to latest

[coarse grove]

yah yah, did it for m+

will do

[lofty depot]

Yea craft staff next time

Waste less gilded

[coarse grove]

Yah, def should have, was assuming i'd go 1h oh with the voidglass kriss

[lofty depot]

Yea, u don't get it by week 2, u craft staff

[coarse grove]

shouldn't have read the compendium i suppose, jk jk

[paper ember]

Thats also assuming it drops and your guild is willing to give it to you lol

[lucid olive]

early

[coarse grove]

I think my sim is a little messy since i don't have antenna for extra crit and im running parapodia myth track

[paper ember]

Doesnt help that you're running 4 haste/mastery items (3 being crafted, and 5 if you count haste trinket) lol

[coarse grove]

shhh....

[lofty depot]

Key word also is acquire

Which u didnt

Making crafting decisions on hopes and dreams

[coarse grove]

I was just being optimistic, I think we've only seen 1 drop in heroic

[sonic surge]

anyone know if u can still recraft and equip a ring twice to get free upgrades for the 2nd ring slot?

[wraith summit]

yo gang

[lofty depot]

They fixed last tier but maybe unfixed it kek, go find out for me

[wraith summit]

I have myth track weap, do you think adrenai surge clasp belt is better to craft or just a normal belt 720 with dawnthread

how can I sim crafted gear options

[exotic perch]

adrenal surge is for tanks

[wraith summit]

hmm

[exotic perch]

youd go dawn or duskthread

[wraith summit]

alrighty

[lofty depot]

Top gear, search them

[teal terrace]

How close are Priory and Araz? Should I trust the sim saying higher ilvl Priory is better?

e.g. Mythic Priory vs Heroic Araz

[ebon elm]

i cant really imagine a myth priory is better than heroic araz, link sim

[paper ember]

Even a champ araz is better than a mythic sig

[teal terrace]

The original sim was champ araz vs mythic priory, here is the sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iSB4TUjtxzZ1S9maeCc5QH

[lofty depot]

Why r u simming 4m

[ebon elm]

a 4 minute sim is not the smartest way to sim a 2 min trinket

[lofty depot]

Also simming ec st

Change weekly to latest while ur at it

[paper ember]

Are you trying to find your best st gear for m+?

[teal terrace]

incorrect spec, and I adjusted the settings: 8m, latest, single target spec

[lofty depot]

Why r u simming 8m

Sim 1t5m

[paper ember]

Do you use the same gear for raid as well? Youre stacking a ton of haste.

[teal terrace]

yes, same gear for raid

Thank you all for the tips and advice!

And Araz does now show as better than Priory

[vital hull]

Hey All, is it weird that the mythic (full upgrade vault) Azhiccaran is simming lower for me than Hero Lily and Champion Antenna?

[paper ember]

No thats not weird

[lofty depot]

U could sim antenna with Miss chance

[tawny cloud]

what does it mean when specc and loot specc does not match when i run droptimizer? i mean i run with KotG and sim for Critt/mastery

[maiden pasture]

you could be in balance spec but in feral loot spec

[coarse grove]

@lofty depot you were right . . .

ran a lot of variations and the ring ends up being bis

[tawny cloud]

oh yeah. i might have been running with feral as loot specc

[lofty depot]

It do be my bis

[exotic perch]

no its my bis

[merry ibex]

hi guys i just got the helm tier piece and chest teir piece which both have same ilvl, which piece is better go for first?

is there an order to follow?

[true viper]

@eager raft sorry i didnt see u

[eager raft]

its ok king

[lofty depot]

Think it's helm/legs/chest are the same effective

I know it's chest/legs, can't remembr if helm shares.

(Edit, it is indeed all 3)

[dense steeple]

this week is half spark right?

[sudden pawn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ik1TxRLF3JRJuwG2Zf9aLu @lofty depot

[dense steeple]

bro what

[sudden pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870682754705150003/1396636223233200249/attachment.gif

[lofty depot]

Not even 5.83

[sudden pawn]

ya really crap vault

[lofty depot]

Same

Silly belt I don't upgrade

[dense steeple]

theres a mastery > crit main hand in my vault

trying to decide if its work grabbing

its not kris of course but it would strengthen my claim on a kris from fractillus

[lofty depot]

Why would that strengthen ur claim

[dense steeple]

because as of right now i dont have a 720 crafted OH ready

[lofty depot]

So just add it to ur bags dork

[dense steeple]

i would be like " yeah kris is bis but im wearing a stick"

but if i dont take this main hand, im not spending crests into the offhand yet

[lofty depot]

U don't need to take the main hand to add the oh to ur bag

[dense steeple]

i have an oh

theyre not gonna give me a myth track kris while i only have a 681 oh

[lofty depot]

I don't think ur understanding what I'm saying

[dense steeple]

if i take the mh, i will pump the oh up to 720, and then it would be more ideal for loot council to give kris

[lofty depot]

# off_hand=,id=222566,bonus_id=9633/8902/11300/8960/8791/12053/1479/12373/12050,crafted_stats=36/49

Add to your bags, sim droptimizer

[dense steeple]

oh im not worried about the sim

[lofty depot]

U seem worried

[dense steeple]

im worried about making the loot council consider giving me a kris

[lofty depot]

"yea guys I have OH right now"

"is in my bags"

[dense steeple]

681

[lofty depot]

THE OH I LINKED WAS 720 U RAT

PUT IT IN YOUR BAG

[dense steeple]

like i said im not worried about the sim

i know the OH +m Kris will be bis

[lofty depot]

YES, BUT THEY DONT UNTIL THEY SEE SIM WITH GOOD OH DORK

[dense steeple]

(not crafting oh to 720 if the mainhand isnt an okay choice)

[lofty depot]

That is not the point of what I said

[finite sigil]

Can Durable Informational Security Container be optained in S3 if I didn't play S2?

[lofty depot]

Yes

Do the delve quest from the nerdy young dwarf dood

(it's only good for another 3 weeks)

[upper anvil]

@lofty depot 6m yet?

[lofty depot]

For what

[upper anvil]

6m sim

thigny

[wicked shuttle]

your druid sims more than my shaman wtf @sudden pawn

[sudden pawn]

ya u stink lol

[paper ember]

718 ilvl is craaaazy lol

[lofty depot]

Oh 6mil, nah 5.83

[lofty depot]

Same

[wicked shuttle]

my shaman kind of a fraud gear wise tbh

[lofty depot]

5.9 with Kris, plz give

[quiet crystal]

Can someone send the pin as a tts message to me

[lucid olive]

my druid too

[wicked shuttle]

ya my druid sucks too tbh

[lucid olive]

i pulled dimmy yesterday with 712 ilvl

[lofty depot]

Liquid ilvls damn

[dense steeple]

imagine not being 715 rn

i dont have to of course