how you keep uptime?
#balance
haughty moon
lofty depot
uhh i generally dont have a good answer. Keep asp for movement, prepare for movement, use your movement abilities
i sit kinda far from the pool because im starfalling between echo and boss
i use wildcharge and get to the location very easy
haughty moon
oh i didn't know you can sit in the pool
lofty depot
i didnt say u can sit in the pool
lean knoll
Yooo
On a pull for example lets say:
We hit Trees>CA>SS>SS>Convoke
Do we WAIT for Dryads to expire or do we slam CA insta?
And why
lofty depot
read the pin
lofty depot
because it does more damage
u asked how we do it before asking why
sim just shows its better, assume its trees buffing more surges in boat windows
lean knoll
I dont like this iteration 🙁
lofty depot
wjhy
lean knoll
Doesn't make sense
lofty depot
what part
lean knoll
So we ignore the buff from dryads expiring and prio the Boat/Tree
lofty depot
it expires when u press the 2nd ca
haughty moon
it coincidenes
lofty depot
dryad die, new dryad spawns
lean knoll
it expires when u press the 2nd ca
Got it
So you hit CA and 1st lot expires = gives buff
lofty depot
yes
lean knoll
NOW that makes sense
jaunty blaze
does it
lean knoll
Nah still feels bad
tropic pollen
Any thoughts on Potent Enchantments vs Grove's Inspiration? Grove's Inspiration sims marginally higher in st for me, but it looks like most of the top logs are running Potent Enchantments.
willow jungle
Anyone knows if Gamz are streaming
mighty mica
click on their name and find out
lofty depot
he's streaming but like who wants to watch feral gameplay
stark belfry
not sure what im doing wrong wow anzyer is not much help , doing low dps and grey phrases https://wowanalyzer.com/report/HbQw1WydDtLpNGax/6-Heroic+Soulbinder+Naazindhri+-+Kill+(4:53)/Needcaffeine/standard is just bad use Celestial Alignment any help would help to point what im Fk up
drifting nova
ilvl king coming through
vital hound
not even 9 digits
wtf
stiff maple
not sure what im doing wrong wow anzyer is not much help , doing low dps and g...
Your CD senquencing is all wrong and you sent Convoke without CA and CA without convoke, You need to line up CA convoke and trees. You should read the dreamgrove compendium.
lofty depot
not sure what im doing wrong wow anzyer is not much help , doing low dps and g...
Question, why dont u have a 720 staff crafted
- U need to dot things before pressing CDs
- U press trees before convoking because convoke does a lot of damage and trees increases that damage
stark belfry
i was main tank at first but ask move to dps as we had to many tanks
i will go get 720 staff crafted
stark belfry
do not use starfall at all
lofty depot
Not til intermission
Starfall is an 8s damage window
Those mobs aren't living the necessary time to be worth those presses
Would suggest taking nature's vigil off ur bar and macroing it to ca
U used trees at 140ish, which is actually fine cuz u CD around 215 on this fight
stark belfry
keep meaning to make macro have make on invert too
lofty depot
Cuz that's when all the adds are up
But as a general rule, u need to not press CA or convoke 1. Without each other, but 2 without trees
Like this 3m CA here should be held til 4m when the next intermission is
U guys end up going close to 5m
Seems u got a mechanic
But u need to learn to use wild charge
stark belfry
completely forgot about that , not even sure Wild Charge is on my bar ,
lofty depot
stark belfry
ty for help
lofty depot
There's also a lot of gaps in ur casts, assuming ur not comfortable with the class yet
Id suggest reading the guide and then practicing it either in lfr or normal
Maybe watch some kill videos to see how others play
stark belfry
There's also a lot of gaps in ur casts, assuming ur not comfortable with the cla...
im great not good at casters , i was try cat but found it touch much keep a eye one and i have the reflex's of stoned Sloth
ty for help again
normal pilot
smh still using third party image service in 2025
steel charm
how do you guys handle lining up lily with incarn in m+? like lets say I used 1 stack on bl opening pull in halls, I could use 2nd charge of incarn in pull 2 but dont have trinket back up, would you wait to have it back up? that does mean eventuall tho that lily would need to be held as well to line back up since cooldowns are longer on incarn no?
wise hare
smh still using third party image service in 2025
long time no see
jade flume
Hello bamkins, i have a question about kotg tier set gameplay on double ca action
normal pilot
did you beat lost ark
charred widget
normal pilot
unlucky, going from winner to loser
wise hare
idk if i would call it winning
normal pilot
oh if it's a sidegrade then maybe not unlucky
wise hare
something something about friends we made along the way
lofty depot
how do you guys handle lining up lily with incarn in m+? like lets say I used 1 ...
well the 2nd charge of incarn isnt likely going to line up
jade flume
in the 2x ca rotation thing
vital hound
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puush?
lofty depot
kind of depends on key level cuz double incarning
vital hound
vital hound
cause its 2025 old man
lofty depot
but later in the key... im missing incarn my like 10-15 seconds on araz, so lily should be lining up find if u have downtime
vital hound
snipping tool
vital hound
in the ca window?
yes
lofty depot
am i supposed to fit both starsurges empowered by 2nd ca
which ca are u talking about
wise hare
and upload to puush automatically
vital hound
holy hecka
wise hare
smh
lofty depot
the 2nd one in opener?
obsidian tapir
which ca are u talking about
wise hare
dont piss me off
vital hound
are u gonna hulk smash me
jade flume
which ca are u talking about
You do the thing, into convoke, into CA, and then u get empowered surges so you insta spend that, but you also get dryad, and when it ends u get another 2x surges
jade flume
do those last 2 fit inside the CA?
steel charm
but later in the key... im missing incarn my like 10-15 seconds on araz, so lily...
well on 2nd pull if I skip using second charge I could use it on 3rd with lily again right, that was my question, or if you would just send and send lily separately
jade flume
is it like last 2 ca globals thing
wise hare
are u gonna hulk smash me
sure i love abusing mod powers
normal pilot
CA is 12s and dryad is 10s so you always have time
vital hound
do those last 2 fit inside the CA?
yes
vital hound
sure i love abusing mod powers
i get to just send thyme memes in cyoncord whenever i get dg vacation
lofty depot
You do the thing, into convoke, into CA, and then u get empowered surges so you ...
yea, so i spend 3 surges with that ca.. wrath spam. press i believe 1 or 2.. then wrath spam til end of ca so u can spam 2 surges
jade flume
so i should always make sure to send those 2 before my ca ends
vital hound
win win
lofty depot
well on 2nd pull if I skip using second charge I could use it on 3rd with lily a...
i would send 2nd incarn and not worry about ur trinket
vital hound
arctic have you played cosmos at all
lofty depot
then line up all the other incarns with trinket
vital hound
its fucking SICK
drifting nova
isnt cosmos bad?
lofty depot
so i should always make sure to send those 2 before my ca ends
always
steel charm
then line up all the other incarns with trinket
aight ty
vital hound
me and the boys love cosmos
lofty depot
arctic have you played cosmos at all
yes
jade flume
How much do u guys sim on bamkin
drifting nova
How much do u guys sim on bamkin
more than you
jade flume
wondering how far off i am on my resto guy
vital hound
starweaver
ur about to proc dakd
lofty depot
trying to get used to it again probably play on nexus and dimmy
jade flume
more than you
prove it buddy
lofty depot
seems poggers
lofty depot
big normal parsing?
jade flume
lfr logger smh my h
drifting nova
yes ackshully
lofty depot
locked in
drifting nova
ran my spriest through early heroic earlier
vital hound
How much do u guys sim on bamkin
drifting nova
my god I suck at priest
lofty depot
gotta lock in tho
lofty depot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfDLF3Wxa7UFTsUw5eQRdQ
not even 5.5
drifting nova
gotta lock in tho
I'm pisslow ilvl
lofty depot
so was i
jade flume
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sfDLF3Wxa7UFTsUw5eQRdQ
u forgot to upgrade weapon to mythic brotherman
heroic not good
vital hound
u forgot to upgrade weapon to mythic brotherman
waiting for it to drop gg
median wedge
guys what is better Keeper of the grove or elune's chosen?
vital hound
heroic v cool thats fake news
drifting nova
elunes
median wedge
vital hound
starweaver is beans
jade flume
man i have 2k crit as bamkin
drifting nova
no u
vital hound
but i feel like the way you play
jade flume
is that good
vital hound
it doesnt really matter kekkers
vital hound
is that good
ask robot
lofty depot
guys what is better Keeper of the grove or elune's chosen?
for what
median wedge
m+
lofty depot
ec
obsidian tapir
so lucky to have that mount 🙁 I CRI EVRI TEIM
drifting nova
y crit so low
jade flume
so lucky to have that mount 🙁 I CRI EVRI TEIM
was pretty easy to get ngl
just kill boss ggs
obsidian tapir
was pretty easy to get ngl
have a good guild ?
jade flume
ye but i only play bamkin on couple bosses
jade flume
i will eventually make it good
vital hound
maybe gem sets idk
i swap gems between bosses/soul hunters
just because ec is so misery with kotg stats
vital hound
yer 6x gems and enchants
jade flume
and ur up good
vital hound
jade flume
i have 710 forge
probably wont be getting mythic one any time soon
will take it from vault tho
since dont really need anything for resto anymore
vital hound
yea nice
vital hound
if you cared (you don't) could sim soleah options
jade flume
need some alpha in my life
vital hound
as well
jade flume
if you cared (you don't) could sim soleah options
oh trust me i will lmao
jade flume
im probably deepsing on nexus king again, unless they bench me for lorgok
do i just send bamkin or play feral on 1st reclear
i think they probably not want people to change things lol
jade flume
probably feral since i already played it
in the long run definitely bamker
but im still not used to it
gonna troll my cds and die in p1 because less tanky
jade flume
Ye they forced me ggs
I always try to go dps on reclears tho, cant be bothered to overheal these bitchass bosses
So boring
craggy sonnet
you can get giga dps precombat with nexusking trinky
make trinket swap macro
consume two of the trinket debuffs with regrowth
before starting to wrath
and then swap trinky to other passive
over 2% on 5min sim
vital hound
you're a real clanker these days clankz
craggy sonnet
truly
vital hound
thats some rec cook shit
vital hound
craggy sonnet
and you wanna know why? cuz i did stupid apl shit thinking the deadline was still over a week out
jade flume
you can get giga dps precombat with nexusking trinky
i cant
since i play 2 on use trinklets
craggy sonnet
ohh, soleahs
true
big yikers
can also get degen and actually run nexusking natty
surely for your current offspec you wanna go and regrowth people mid fight
vital hound
and you wanna know why? cuz i did stupid apl shit thinking the deadline was stil...
banger
congrats on the cook tho
v cool
jade flume
surely for your current offspec you wanna go and regrowth people mid fight
apparently its dps increase if i just play the 704 crystal
might slam some dawnbreakers for 710 before reclear lmao
jade flume
wait u killed
yes, ty brother
maiden pasture
as resto i assume
maiden pasture
bro i aint gonna get vault or kill....
benched but cant get myself locked in case of absences..........
steel charm
my moonkin pug experience so far
hollow mist
looks like its going good
delicate perch
consider making friends or
potent cargo
my moonkin pug experience so far
u got 99 parses or?
otherwise u aint gettin in chief
no scrubs
steel charm
u got 99 parses or?
All 14s and half of 15s done so, gotta get in the rest of 15s next 🤣
steel charm
u got 99 parses or?
lofty depot
thats not what he meant tho
sudden pawn
my raid logs are insane.... god damn
agile wraith
So I am looking to improve my DPS for M+. I was wondering if my haste is far too low for Elune's Chosen and if I am going to need to try to make an M+ gear set and stat for Haste/Mast. For context I usually run 7-10 and am looking to try to push for 3k rating this season.
normal pilot
it's not ideal but it's not like you'l lbe doing 10% less dps. just hang onto/farm some haste jewelry
lofty depot
So I am looking to improve my DPS for M+. I was wondering if my haste is far too...
i just swap my neck and rings, but that isnt going to hold u back from doing 13-15s
i forgot to swap my neck/rings for afew dungeons and still timed them fine
if you want to improve your dps, post a log
agile wraith
Absolutely, I am going to start logging, next time I do a run I will post a log cause I assume I definitely have some big improvements I need to make rotationally/uptime wise.
silk shard
Absolutely, I am going to start logging, next time I do a run I will post a log ...
one of the biggest things is gonna be remembering to hardcast starfire a lot. even the compendium's M+ kotg build requires just a lot of starfire hardcasting. and a lot of the discussions i've seen here over the last couple of days is that with 4pc EC, you'll want to prioritize starfiring over spenders to some degree because of the proc effects and the resulting damage buff on your next big FoE
craggy sonnet
It's a design issue
digital berry
Everything about ec design is horrifying atm, and the tier set is the cherry on top
silk shard
yeah, both design and numbers issues have been a plague on this spec for a while now 
EC design is so regressive to me, like i'm playing wotlk moonkin again, but the number results is undeniable
agile wraith
Appreciate it, I will definitely review the guide!
So I didn't realize that Keeper is viable for M+. Can people give me insight into the difference? And what yall prefer
And people in my guild were saying that my starfall damage should be the highest thing in my details, but yeah I find im casting starfire way more oftena dn its always the highest damage.
silk shard
well, low keys it's playable but you have to be good with cooldown management and you gotta remember to hardcast starfire a lot on the trash
starfall damage would be correct if you are playing keeper but EC is gonna be starfire for sure
digital berry
Playable but you’re gonna hate every second of it
silk shard
EC is just gonna be a lot easier and numerically superior
agile wraith
Gotcha I will definitely stick to EC then.
agile wraith
Lmao, Im too blind for melee. Im scared shitless of dying enough as ranged.
lofty depot
Appreciate it, I will definitely review the guide!
So I didn't realize that Ke...
people in your guild are wrong
starfire is your highest damage by like 5%
delicate perch
kinda based guildies tbh, they'd know for sure
agile wraith
This is my breakdown from a +11 floodgate I just ran.
silk shard
yeah if they're not convinced just tell them it's the 4pc
agile wraith
Yeah I need to see if my uptime is struggling due to prioritizing mechanics/not dying/getting pulsar orbs and thats where most of my DPS is going.
lofty depot
learning mechanics and getting better at that while not afking the rotation will increase ur damage, yes
drifting nova
Everything about ec design is horrifying atm, and the tier set is the cherry on ...
hold your tongue
digital berry
hold your tongue
Hold it for me
vital hound
my raid logs are insane.... god damn
sudden pawn
vital hound
digital berry
That’s a lot of all stars points damn
pliant girder
Is it a good option to reach 6 stacks, or is it better to cast Fury of Elune on cooldown?
exotic perch
you use fury on cd
pliant girder
you use fury on cd
100% sure?
exotic perch
wdym am i sure lol
jaunty blaze
Like 99 hehehe
lofty depot
wdym am i sure lol
dont believe colored name propaganda
lofty depot
100% sure?
u can go 20+ seconds of no procs. which would then mean ur holding foe
thats just giga worse
pliant girder
u can go 20+ seconds of no procs. which would then mean ur holding foe
so foe on CD
lofty depot
as he stated, yes
pliant girder
wdym am i sure lol
sry, ty
pliant girder
as he stated, yes
ty
delicate perch
upper anvil
as he stated, yes
Are you sure sir artic that we do in fact foe on cd
drifting nova
trying to gear up a pisslow char is a mistake holy
stone ledge
I only feel like it’s worth min maxing 4pc ec when I’m at 4+ stacks with eclipse ending and ca is about to be up so I can get boat+4pc on those big starfires
Basically same idea as trees
maiden pasture
Are you sure sir artic that we do in fact foe on cd
Yes, that's what the robot says
upper anvil
I knew artic was a robot
obsidian jetty
Keeper is not viable in m+
I played keeper for almost every key I did up to 3k. It's more than viable. No idea how it plays in higher keys than 13
dapper wing
I think it's more, keys are so fucking easy right now that you could time keys without a hero talent
obsidian jetty
Way more fun than EC
dapper wing
you could enter a key with pure st raid talents and do fine for 3k
obsidian jetty
I sent double ramp in the trash before halls last boss and did like 60m 😎
mental plover
obsidian jetty
spiked at 50 actually
drifting nova
you could enter a key with pure st raid talents and do fine for 3k
sure you could, but you'd never beat the bronze bouncer
delicate perch
ya if you are reading this and want to try keeper in your keys do NOT think you will get the same results 
obsidian jetty
Bruh, keeper is easy
drifting nova
and ec is hard?
delicate perch
there are people who fail to cast starfire enough man
keeper is like rocket science to them
obsidian jetty
just crazy everytime I scroll through here and read "keeper is unplayable"
delicate perch
defs not unplayable, but the cd management just seems more thinking than the average player wants/should want
EC so braindead
obsidian jetty
keeper CD management is double single double single double single double single
sometimes you say fuck it and do double double
🤷♂️
digital berry
Keeper is easy but it’s not ec easy
Idk why you’d ever tell anyone to play keeper in keys
lofty depot
to not get extra gcd to switch back to moonkin?
correct
that do be what the talent does
tired granite
hope ur happy now
Why the like 15 pixel gaps
uncut roost
why are ppl running this talent?
You gonna pick up those headphones?
round field
spiked at 50 actually
Mby invite people who arent cripples in the group
(i actually think keeper is decent after playing it for a bit)
And its also more fun than whatever ec is
mental tiger
You gonna pick up those headphones?
haha no, i dont like bose
im more about sound quality then comfort
silk shard
my experience with kotg after switching to ec and back for 12+ has just been to make sure not to neglect the umbral talents and basically just starfire harder between cds
got my 3k time to hibernate
obsidian jetty
Idk why you’d ever tell anyone to play keeper in keys
It's less about telling someone to play something, and more about telling ppl it's not playable.
lofty depot
my experience with kotg after switching to ec and back for 12+ has just been to ...
i mean, playing keeper in m+ is pretty unfun
round field
No its not
loud kettle
if u squint enough, foe icon looks like shrek looking to (his) left
silk shard
depends on your metric of fun, it's unfun when the group complains and when you can't keep up, but if you're keeping up with the group and hitting the buttons at the right time i think it's more fun than ec
obsidian jetty
What talents are you running recruitie
round field
if u squint enough, foe icon looks like shrek looking to (his) left
I cant unsee this now
obsidian jetty
orbit breaker and EG are swing points
lofty depot
with eg gamer
obsidian jetty
makes the ramp pretty chill as well. Only need like 50 ap
round field
Idk what i even have
obsidian jetty
but I also think it's just good for burst aoe
round field
Probably shrooms and something
loud kettle
I cant unsee this now
You're welcome
obsidian jetty
shroom is fine, I got tired of it proccing on a mob while tank is pulling, slowing the mob, then ripping threat and dying
round field
then give us pulsar
900 ap pulsar
obsidian jetty
happened 2 keys in a row and I untalented and never looked back
round field
Yeah ive had it happen aswell
silk shard
i still play manual shrooms for when i don't want to wait for the smolder proc
silk shard
really wish after s2 that they just perma gave us the jackpot shrooms, that was so comfy to play
weary siren
is there going to be a season 4 or we goin straight to midnight?
silk shard
i think right now we're looking to go straight to midnight
lofty depot
no s4, u get housing instead
weary siren
what are your thoughts when midnight gonna release?
lofty depot
feb/march
weary siren
i havent set foot in those remix thingys, is it actually fun or does it become a grind for those bronze real fast?
lofty depot
so true
obsidian jetty
i havent set foot in those remix thingys, is it actually fun or does it become a...
was fun for a week or so, then just grinding out cosmetic
no idea how legion will go, there was a ptr for it
royal zenith
yeah a week is royal
tuning afaik was still scuffed, but they should've fixed some
if the tuning is ass it will not be fun
weary siren
so you create a fresh character for those remix stuff or how does it work?
royal zenith
yeah
create fresh on that server, do questline, do dungeons, do raids, all that and you get the bronze from that content
to buy shit
silk shard
are we getting legion legendaries in the remix? i haven't seen ptr data for it all
royal zenith
or stay on there for a bit to grind the other mogs
weary siren
what other mogs?`you talking about this cool transmog set with that sick cloak? or what transmogs are farmable
like mage tower is out of the picture to my knowledge
royal zenith
usually they have a ton of sets but I'm not sure which ones exactly
silk shard
they got a few remix speicfic ones but there's probably recolors of tier sets from that era
royal zenith
the cloak literally the only one that stuck with me
silk shard
there's like fel shalamayne for 1h and 2h
obsidian jetty
what other mogs?`you talking about this cool transmog set with that sick cloak? ...
last remix there were tons of vendors for pmuch every non-exclusive item that could be obtainted from MOP
drifting nova
wish I played more mop
speaking of, it introduced me to my dislike of the campsites
cant find specific realm characters anymore
lucid olive
cant find specific realm characters anymore
It says when you hover over their name what realm they're on
drifting nova
do you know how much that doesnt help
like putting every spreadsheet on the same page
sure it works
pallid bay
just crazy everytime I scroll through here and read "keeper is unplayable"
given that most people here cant do correct keeper rotation hitting a dummy its easier to just recommend EC
but keeper is indeed playable and not necessarily that far behind either
dreamy locust
EC is by far the easier version, with more dmg
So it just makes sense to say that
If it takes you more effort to do less dmg, thats pretty ded
pallid bay
so ec is playable in raid..
ofc
merry ibex
Probably a long shot. Would anyone care to look at some balance logs i put it into wow analyser too. I've come back recently logs weren't really a thing when I played so trying to figure out why my parses are so dog shit. Any help would be great
For raiding
fossil hemlock
Probably a long shot. Would anyone care to look at some balance logs i put it in...
You can just link them in here and someone will normally be about to have a look
merry ibex
Alright to easy they're terrible, just don't understand what im doing or not doing that's so wrong.
Im shadypapa on the Logs if anyone wants to message me or post here I dont mind.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rzDJdNBFXL2MfvTP?view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2
lucid olive
Alright to easy they're terrible, just don't understand what im doing or not doi...
There's a lot to unpack there. Have you read or watched any guides?
merry ibex
I watched 1 but clearly it's not working or I watched in blind folded
lucid olive
You played Elunes Chosen on Fractillus for some reason, but even then you seemed to just randomly press abilities without much thought behind it
Macrod trinket to Convoke and not CA
fossil hemlock
Just an Elune's Chosen gamer it looks like
lucid olive
Cancelled your Convoke after like 1 second
merry ibex
Oh yeah so
lucid olive
Pressed Sunfire twice in like 4 seconds
merry ibex
Ignoee that
Convoke i didn't realise it was a channel and I macro it to a trinket
Worked that out half way through the raid
lucid olive
Well you asked for tips I can't really ignore the most egregious mistakes, that's why I asked if you had read or seen a guide
merry ibex
Haha yeah I figured out my convoked issue but yeah I did notice that
fossil hemlock
You're casting a lot of sunfire and moonfire. I had 21 casts of both combined on our last fract heroic, you had 21 casts of moonfire alone, and then 23 sunfires on top
lucid olive
Cause I could log review and point out everything but it wouldn't be nearly as helpful to you as just doing some research and hitting a dummy would be
merry ibex
So im wasting a lot of globals on my dots
I mean any help is good help i might go back and do some homework then
fossil hemlock
Like Gamz said, at this point you benefit more from reading a guide
Since it looks like you're missing the fundamentals
lucid olive
So im wasting a lot of globals on my dots
Yeah, you're either moving way more than you need to or you're planning wrong for movement
Moonkin is a proactive spec and not reactive, you should be aware of what is going to happen in the fight and have a plan for how to deal with it
Eclipse lasts 15 seconds - be aware of what is happening when it ends so you can quickly enter back into Solar
This season especially as well the cooldown sequence matters a lot and pressing the buttons in the correct order will be most of your damage
fossil hemlock
A brief glance at the replay of fract and I see them standing still and casting sunfire and moonfire a fair amount so it's not really moving globals more than just casting the wrong thing
lucid olive
You played Treants on Nexus King which was the correct play but you pressed some stuff in the wrong order
And triple casted Starfire a few times which is also not good
merry ibex
Yeah I felt super awkward on kotg
quartz kindle
What has resulted in the double CA window change? 5% buff makes it easier to reach cap or?
fossil hemlock
What has resulted in the double CA window change? 5% buff makes it easier to rea...
Better BOAT and trinket efficiency
lucid olive
What has resulted in the double CA window change? 5% buff makes it easier to rea...
Not really, it was probably an increase to play that way ever since the cap was reduced to 10x int
merry ibex
Might look for a weakaura to make seeing my eclipse more apparent/visible
quartz kindle
I see
lucid olive
Might look for a weakaura to make seeing my eclipse more apparent/visible
Try Oi's pack linked in Compendium, it's definitely the most used one
merry ibex
Alright done thanks so much mate, might go watch a guide and give it another crack and come back
lucid olive
I see
When the tier set was mega nerfed on PTR the people who cared about writing the APL just stopped caring tbh
Until Clankz wrote some stuff and saw that this was better
quartz kindle
Kinda cringe for it to be an increase to clip more of our cd window
lucid olive
CA is not a very powerful CD really
quartz kindle
I mean its not but its still a design flaw
lucid olive
The entire spec is a design flaw
quartz kindle
This is also true
dire osprey
cant wait for the boomy rework in midnight
bronze torrent
Guys, quick question: Araz's Ritual Forge does not line up well with the 2nd Convoke - would you hold CA/Convoke until Trinket comes up (and thus delay the 2nd double-CA, or just send it on CD and use trinket later in "normal" rotation?
ebon parcel
hi want to ask question regarding rotation.
the empowered starsurges from dryads has to be ideally casted inside second Incarn?
dire osprey
Guys, quick question: Araz's Ritual Forge does not line up well with the 2nd Con...
should only be a few seconds if its desynced so just hold
bronze torrent
around 20 seconds
dire osprey
bronze torrent
Actually let me check the exact number
15 Seconds from Control the Dream, +3 GCDs
so just short of 20 Seconds
I mean, we obviously have Control of the Dream, so shouldnt be too much of a loss / make a big difference regarding CDs and kill-time
fossil hemlock
Macro Araz to CA and brain off
bronze torrent
Well I did, obviously, but then you wont have araz for 2nd convoke-phase
dire osprey
yea idk i havent rly payed much attention, mine always seems to be back up in time
fossil hemlock
What do you mean?
bronze torrent
and only use it way later again when waiting for double CA
fossil hemlock
These are mine
quartz kindle
If you are pressing trees on cd convoke won’t be up when you get to your 2nd CA window anyway so naturally its delayed regardless
bronze torrent
What do you mean?
CA has 1.5 min CD , Araz has 2 min -> they dont sync at all. And due to Control of the Dream Araz does not sync with (normally 2 min) convoke either.
fossil hemlock
CA has 1.5 min CD , Araz has 2 min -> they dont sync at all. And due to Control ...
CA is not a 1.5 min CD
quartz kindle
As trees will also be on cd
fossil hemlock
Well I guess it is if you're using the talent thing
But you have 2 charges
So it's not a problem
dire osprey
If you are pressing trees on cd convoke won’t be up when you get to your 2nd CA ...
this is prob why i dont have this problem
fossil hemlock
You hold your 3rd CA until Araz and Convoke is ready at 2 minutes
carmine vigil
i usually just use the one button rotation so i can focus on mechanics
dire osprey
smart
pallid bay
mehanics doer dwilkz
bronze torrent
You hold your 3rd CA until Araz and Convoke is ready at 2 minutes
That's what I thought aswell, and just wanted to make sure.
fossil hemlock
And just strictly speaking, control the dream doesn't affect convoke syncing up with Araz
pallid bay
round field
Guys, quick question: Araz's Ritual Forge does not line up well with the 2nd Con...
how does 2 minute trinket and 2 minute cooldown not align
fossil hemlock
yes, it's a 1:45 CD on pull but then you can hold it up to 15 seconds before you lose cooldown time, making it a 2 min CD
quartz kindle
Trees at 0 > 30 > 1:15 > 2
If ur pressing ca on cd you wont have trees
Regardless of whether u have convoke at 1:45
so it should naturally delay itself to line up
Unless you’re delaying trees by like 15s
In which case big bad
merry ibex
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gp1FKJhym6Xqnd9b?view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2
@fossil hemlock @lucid olive
|thank you
copper tinsel
hey everyone . i have a little question , do you know why in raidbot the dungeon slice is not available for the EC spec ?
maiden pasture
dungeonslice is not supported for moonkin
merry ibex
whats going on here shady
see anything else at a glance?
copper tinsel
dungeonslice is not supported for moonkin
ho ! ok thanks . what should i sims so for the mm+/ec ?
pallid bay
see anything else at a glance?
this is illegal as well
you never surge outside of eclipse
vale pebble
pallid bay
if you're overcapped on astral power, don't be
this is obvious issue, always be casting, plan for movement etc etc
merry ibex
alright to easy
maiden pasture
ho ! ok thanks . what should i sims so for the mm+/ec ?
if you go to the compendium (in pins or in the channel description), in the FAQ you'll find this question answered
pallid bay
this as well, uptime on your dots should be 99% basically
copper tinsel
ok thanks
pallid bay
you never let dots fall off
merry ibex
allright done
pallid bay
🫡
idk there's like these minor things you can always improve on but the basics needs to be covered
keep dots up
enter eclipse
sync CA convoke
press foe on cd
dont cap on astral power
spend AP inside eclipse
cast correct builder
you are def at a disadvantage for parsing playing elunes chosen though
merry ibex
yeah ive gathered that kotg is meant to be better. might have to switch
pallid bay
just get comfortable with the basics of the spec, then it'll be easier to swap
round oracle
kotg is just a bit too much better now and only really have to play the cooldowns right to do viable dmg
analog condor
someone can explain people that compare now on retail balance druid with a beast mastery hunter who received huge buffs for m+?
round field
Uh
analog condor
and how can u inttrrerupt asa balance when they took out ur bash ability, the solar beam is 1 min cd
round field
(you never used it)
round field
You interrupt every minute
Every 45 sec actually
round field
No its not
Its in the class tree
If you wanna play it as moonkin all power to you
(theres no reason to do it)
sudden flame
analog condor
for me it appears grrey
round field
Have you tried talenting it?
analog condor
even though ye i talented
round field
You cant use it in moonkin form you know that right
jade flume
In many cases its a lot better
round field
Beam is basically a long stun on casters
sudden flame
nerf beam
round field
Shut up cat
analog condor
idk where u say it is available fluid form talent doesnt not affect balance bash it still shows grey
sudden flame
sorry
analog condor
the skull bash not the bash i mean
pallid bay
skull bash is for the other specs, we get solar beam
analog condor
tahts what i am saying people in 14 and 15 complain i dont intrerupt, but if tank keeps moving packs from my beam
round field
Its a diff talent i think
analog condor
tried arakara 15
round field
tahts what i am saying people in 14 and 15 complain i dont intrerupt, but if tan...
Just call them pigs and mute
analog condor
brewmaster took smaller packs and resto shaman complained about dmg , when i literally need ramp time
tank did 2 packs instead of going until big spider and then bloodlust
tired mist
hey guys. if you guys sim m+ with the mdt sim. wich dungeon do you use? I thought about floodgate cause there is plenty of aoe. Which one would you recommend?
lucid olive
just any of them really
vital hound
just sim all of them
maiden pasture
If you wanna play it as moonkin all power to you
its not btw
the place where we take -15s on beam CD
is where other druid specs have skull bash
oh wait
were u thinking he meant mighty bash
round field
oh
u physically cant take it anymore
why does class tree change between specs
for that one specific thing
never had the urge to talent skull bash as moonkin to be fair
maiden pasture
happens for palas aswell
with unbound freedom i think
rets cant take it but holy and prot can
round field
why is the dmg amp at the bottom a choice node then even
fossil hemlock
To prevent resto and guardian from picking both
jade flume
rets cant take it but holy and prot can
All specs can talent it now i believe
maiden pasture
only seen restos go moonkin if they dont wanna go melee
jade flume
Yeah i think in nerubar farm
I remember on queen prog we didnt have it from holy pala
fossil hemlock
Holy has echoing blessings on the same spot as a choice node
jade flume
But on farm u did
analog condor
also how u deal with ramp times if u need to moonfire targets as the tank gathers packs slowly, and if he didnt use enough melee attacks or abilities he looses agro on them and mobs turn to you? this before the big bl at start of a dung like floodgate or ara, or priory
lucid olive
shadowmeld
analog condor
i mean is ur fault he didnt use enough spells for agro keeping or is ur fault u didnt wait, but if u wait u loose time and dps meter goes down
lucid olive
or reposition so you kite the mobs through the pack
if you rip aggro with a moonfire the only thing you can do is not panic
cause most tanks know when theres a mob they dont have aggro on
so the best thing you can do is always to make it as easy as possible for the tank to pick the mob back up
analog condor
i mean i did flood 14 with a 8/8 mythic dh on liberty 14 , it was just pug , but most tanks suck at keeping agro
like seems often they have no clue what to get
lucid olive
idk why his raid progress matters in that context but sure
analog condor
for some reason they did better i analyze always
lucid olive
DH struggles with aggro especially at the beginning of pulls
i feel like a lot of people rip aggro and then just watch as the mob walks up and smacks them instead of using some brain power to make it easier for the tank to pick it back up
analog condor
but i can 't do a priory for example 13, cuz there aren't enough tanks to route, i need to get resilient 13 and there most tanks are crap
lucid olive
most DPS are crap too
if you smell farts everywhere you go maybe you should change underwear
analog condor
well u cant compare 8/8 mythic with 3/8 players
have more experience and time invested
lucid olive
its a completely different game mode
delicate perch
I've seen hall of fame players act like they shouldn't be in a +2 before
and I've seen title players act they shouldn't be able to queue lfr
lucid olive
also its not really that relevant, you asked how people deal with ripping threat from moonfire when tank is gathering, i told you the best ways to deal with it and you went on about how every tank is trash..
analog condor
i said often they are
jade flume
If ur 8/8 now ur kinda the goat tho or
analog condor
i played druid tank blood dk and brewmaster
lucid olive
cool
delicate perch
If ur 8/8 now ur kinda the goat tho or
true... are you a goat now
jade flume
I hope so
delicate perch
gz
lucid olive
If ur 8/8 now ur kinda the goat tho or
youre probably the dh tank that flopped in this guys key
delicate perch
analog condor
its a completely different game mode
no , i say usually they clear both m+ and raiding at high level
lucid olive
okay guess its the same game mode
jaunty blaze
severe hollow
i said often they are
So if they often are bad it's on you not to rip threat
pallid bay
pugging is torture
potent cargo
do well enough you get btag invites job done bro
analog condor
i did aotc in df s1 s2, people in guild dont flame, already had logs, both m+ and raid, but in pug group they
also nerfs on balance compared to buffs on other class tunnings
analog condor
but how much depends the comp in higher keys, is more like build the comp specs first it to work at all?
i alrready have 110 runs in m+ this season only pugs
thank you for the tips
devout hazel
yo boomkins that have killed araz mythic, what the actual fuck are we doing on that fight, are we even starfalling at all? or just dot the adds with like a sunfire and keep hitting boss type shit?
lofty depot
yo boomkins that have killed araz mythic, what the actual fuck are we doing on t...
U can stand between boss dam echo and Starfall. Generally just Sunfire the orbs yea. Didn't go lunar.
devout hazel
you taking any of the starfall talents then for araz? or full st
lofty depot
U can look at warcraftlogs for the build, but yes we're playing twin moons and kindling
U can use lorrgs.io to see where people used CDs aswell
lofty depot
but how much depends the comp in higher keys, is more like build the comp specs...
U can see noticeable differences by what u group with. Normal comp is say boomkin/fdk and mage/dh. If you take away the mage and bring BM or ele, suddenly all 3 of you are fighting for overall.
dire osprey
aggro this season is piss
u can moonfire a mob in the pack that just got thunderclapped by the tank
and 2 mobs in that pack u didnt hit with moonfire will somehow aggro u
fossil hemlock
and 2 mobs in that pack u didnt hit with moonfire will somehow aggro u
Cloak proc
lofty depot
What's funny is they lowered ur aggro
tight dagger
If the Boss dies around 6:00-6:30 i saw a lot boomies that use CDs @ 5:00 with double CA. Is that the Play ?
jaunty blaze
If you want to hold double ca for 2nd pot maybe
dawn sorrel
How do you sim for M+ as I want to find some stat weights, I know that we dont want haste for raids, but guessing we want some for M+?
lofty depot
- We don't use stat weights to justify gearing decisions. You sim gear itself to find said upgrades
- The FAQ in the compendium says how
delicate perch
I use vibes to decide my gear
crimson pagoda
yo boomkins that have killed araz mythic, what the actual fuck are we doing on t...
honestly think doing AOE in that fight is playable now, but in some weeks, with max gear and all the other buffs all classes get, I would say do pure ST xD
devout hazel
we have 2 fury warriors an enhance shaman and a monk, i'm legally not allowed to do aoe i fear LOL
indigo barn
just kill boss, someone has to. We prob have best amp burst in game atm with arcane mages, so at least you can use it.
indigo barn
oh yeah I guess, I just play with bad ones
wheat rivet
hey yall
i was doing a few 10s last night, im 711 ilvl and was neck to neck with a 699 ret paly
it was crazy
am i just playing like doodoo?
round field
Probably
wheat rivet
i dont have any m+ logs to share / examine
are ret paly's op as hell in m+?
i asked the guy, he thought i would probably do better on higher keys.higher hp pools
sly wadi
10's are baby keys, ret gets their output out insanely fast, boomies have pretty hefty windup, as keys go higher boomie does better
wheat rivet
i was KOTG
sly wadi
aaaaaand you almost certainly should be EC, but I'll let someone smarter than me weigh in on that
wheat rivet
right, so many pulls im being beat by everyone but the healer getting my dots up
then i would catch up to 2nd place
i would crush bosses
@sly wadi ty DJ!
lofty depot
just kill boss, someone has to. We prob have best amp burst in game atm with arc...
Well we're not killing orbs regardless
We can however Starfall the boss and echo
lofty depot
right, so many pulls im being beat by everyone but the healer getting my dots up
Out gearing 10s then playing with classes that do giga upfront damage will do that to you
paper flower
So, how do boomies handle massive pulls for stuff in like 10+ keys? (Yes I know those are 'baby' keys to some). By the time stuff is decently grouped up and has tank aggro, I have to sit there and try to get my dots on it, by then it's half dead and I feel like I'm doing nothing.
dry compass
So, how do boomies handle massive pulls for stuff in like 10+ keys? (Yes I know ...
Moonfire while the tank is gathering
sly wadi
i tend to only dot higher prio stuff, then go into my starfire/starfall rotation, but I'm an ape, so could be wrong
celest narwhal
So, how do boomies handle massive pulls for stuff in like 10+ keys? (Yes I know ...
That’s how a baby key goes
dry compass
Unless you're playing with a brewmaster they shouldn't have threat issues
celest narwhal
Just be cautious of body pulls. Like the first pull of arakara
paper flower
They often say to hold off on starfall and such while they are gathering, i guess i could slap MF on things and Sunfire when it is all together
celest narwhal
Yup
lofty depot
They often say to hold off on starfall and such while they are gathering, i gues...
Tell them to grow up
But yea, u can mf while they gather stuff. I generally wait a little after they pull each set of mobs. But the longer u wait the less actual damage ur gonna do
haughty moon
Tank aggro feels egregiously bad compared to last season
paper flower
I instinctively hit Sunfire first bc I'm like 'it will put more dots on things at once'. Need to fix that mindset.
haughty moon
I’ll watch them hit a pack and still rip it with moonfire
sly wadi
I instinctively hit Sunfire first bc I'm like 'it will put more dots on things a...
if it helps your monkey brain like it helps mine, just think about how many you could dot with one GCD if you wait just a lil bit 
cold elm
Can anyone take a quick look why my damage is so low in a +11 with ilvl 708 gear?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DTt3B2y6P8GVnJzr?fight=last&type=damage-done
haughty moon
i pop it through wowanalyzer when i'm not sure, here's yours https://wowanalyzer.com/report/DTt3B2y6P8GVnJzr/1-Mythic++Eco-Dome+Al'dani+-+Kill+(25:31)/Meronpan/standard/overview
looks like bad uptime mostly?
and not pushing foe on cd. you're at 50% uptime
cold elm
I'm not sure how well wowanalzer and uptime plays with dungeon logs
haughty moon
someone hear previously explained to me that foe should be about 85%+ uptime in dungeons at a minimum
round field
Huh
haughty moon
and even that's pretty bad
round field
What...
haughty moon
i had some question about how it accounts for downtime in pulls
round field
I dunno
haughty moon
that was the response i got at the time
haughty moon
i mean if you're entering a large pull and it's off cd you'd still dot first
i don't go off cd immediately
round field
Well ye
haughty moon
well that's downtime
haughty moon
it's the definition of downtime 
round field
Its not downtime if ur not supposed to press it
haughty moon
well yes but i'm looking at wowanalyzer
it's just looking at secs elapsed since the skill came off cd
round field
Cant really make it do anything else
cold elm
if the pack is at 20% hp or smth I usually hold onto foe, maybe I shouldn't do it but it feels kinda bad to use it when the pack is close to dying
round field
No point putting a number on it
haughty moon
you should just send it
it gives newbies a metric to look at
has its uses
if you know you're supposed to be near there and it's actually 50 you've just id-ed a leak you can fix
haughty moon
if the pack is at 20% hp or smth I usually hold onto foe, maybe I shouldn't do i...
the reason i was told was because foe's cd is really about half of what's shown. not using it on cd when dots are up is a damage loss
low sigil
if the pack is at 20% hp or smth I usually hold onto foe, maybe I shouldn't do i...
you should send it because when you use arcane abilities it reduces the CD of foe by 2 seconds. not using it you're not getting the benefit of the Lunation talent.
haughty moon
ya if you're entering a new pack and dotting moonfire is actively reducing it
low sigil
yep! exactly
haughty moon
looking at the analyzer you're also missing some enchants that's super easy to fix
also not sure why your sunfire uptime is so off from your moonfire uptime
cold elm
yeah that's definitely something I need to improve, also I need to find a better way to display DoTs on targets, my current setup doesn't show it well in big pulls
haughty moon
yeah that's a big one for me in m+, you can get a plater setting that changes the name plate if they don't have moonfire
i don't really use anything like that for sunfire though
although my ui does have a count of how many dots are active at the same time
can consider something like that?
cold elm
huh I need to look into it. changing the border of the nameplate or smth when theyre dotted up would be helpful
cold elm
I'm using a profile already that I quite like, I wanna try to modify it with that feature
haughty moon
ya it's just in the mods section
it does make it harder to see who i'm targetting tho but i got used to it
radiant wyvern
Hey! does anyone know if we are able to typhoon our own adds on araz or is it too tight if we get targeted?
lofty depot
If u wildcharge yes
viscid star
Hey, using the culminative blasphemite do i really need to go with all type of gems or i can only slot quick onyx ?
lofty depot
Sim it
viscid star
Okay, i'm not really familiar with Raidbot yet, just gotta select all the glyphs i wanna sim ?
lofty depot
U'll also liley need to check said box
And always use and only max colors under the primary gems
But yes, u need to select gens
Depending on what ur doing it might be Crit + haste in other cases maybe no haste
viscid star
Alright i'm gonna check that, sim is running
viscid star
Depending on what ur doing it might be Crit + haste in other cases maybe no hast...
yeah i kinda got "lost" i was checking wowhead page, then icyveins
and icyveins mentionned running every glyph type for the blasphemite while wowhead was only mentionning quick onyx/masterful emerald
gotta definitely use raidbots more
lofty depot
Don't use guides for gearing/stat decisions
viscid star
This the result I got
lofty depot
Like buying a suit online and thinking that shit is gonna fit perfectly
Show the sim not a picture
U also didnt add sockets to ur ring
Also running cursed enchants is generally wrong
viscid star
Show the sim not a picture
Sorry for being clueless but what do you mean by that ?
viscid star
Has a lot of 710 items..... I don't like it
Yup, first week i've been able to do +10 so i will get myhtic in the vault, just joined the game 3 weeks ago so i missed first week of the season
viscid star
1. 5t 4m isn't a value sim metric
2. U didn't do what I said
What's the metric you would usually use for that ? 6boss? how long ?
lofty depot
I left it at ur funny 4t5m cuz I'm on mobile but it's not correct way
lofty depot
What's the metric you would usually use for that ? 6boss? how long ?
FAQ in compendium
There's ways to do dungeon routes in the sim
There's no dungeon pull that's 5m long
Unless we're trolling
eager raft
There are also no raid fights that are 5 minutes of standing still but you’re happy to use that sim config
viscid star
There are also no raid fights that are 5 minutes of standing still but you’re ha...
Kinda put whatever i thought was right but it seems like i was totally wrong ahah, i'll learn how to use raidbot sorry for the bothering
eager raft
ur not bothering me at all my message was to artic
eager raft
lofty depot
no if you get mechanic you wipe the raid
swap race/name every new tier to reset ur id
tardy turret
full moon sucks doesnt it 🙁
lofty depot
Yes
tardy turret
my starsurge is almost just as strong, feels so wasteful to cast - ok that's gone. Stellar Flare also seems worthless?
(been a while, dusting off an old boomie)
lofty depot
Ur surge should be way stronger
tardy turret
It prolly will be, I suck right now
lofty depot
my starsurge is almost just as strong, feels so wasteful to cast - ok that's gon...
Wild surges better
Wrath does damage
polar linden
how is balance's damage in m+ compared to other classes?
stuck meadow
guys anyone know the name of the weakaura that let you sim mdt routes
lofty depot
FAQ in compendium
stuck meadow
oh i didnt know it was there i remember someone sending the link here
thats why i asked, thank you
signal temple
jaunty blaze
signal temple
<:Susge:908874224599437352>
gray adder
Why is Nature Grace taken over Astronomical Impact on aoe build for m+? is those 2 spells faster really that much?
strange edge
normal pilot
impact also doesn't do as much in aoe
lofty depot
Used to be better when smolder was based on Crit :/
tropic pollen
With the new(ish) opener, is it worth hitting sunfire during the second CA or just let it fall and refresh it afterward?
jaunty blaze
you dont want it to fall off
tropic pollen
Seems inevitable, though. I might be missing something but going by the sequence I don't think it lasts long enough for the second round of the 2 buffed starsurges.
jaunty blaze
ye so press sunfire
lofty depot
In the other opener we were hitting Sunfire as well
tropic pollen
Unless you just mean to use the global during CA and hit it. That's what I've been doing, but it looks like some of the top logs aren't hitting it
lofty depot
It's not uncommon, u want to keep it up
tropic pollen
Makes sense, thanks
jaunty blaze
you want to get as much out of your buffed surges as possible
that means having sunfire up
lofty depot
After ur doing spamming surges and need to build, u would Sunfire there
tropic pollen
It looks to me like this person is not. I only mention this one because we're only just getting to forgeweaver (we're old and bad), so I took a look at a log. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/46RJxBatzGcpQhL8?fight=26&type=casts&source=39&view=timeline
It's possible I'm reading it wrong (or that despite the good parse they could have opened better) but does it seem like they're not refreshing sunfire until after the 2nd buffed starsurge window?
lofty depot
Well he shouldn't have to in that case
I was merely saying, if u need to refresh Sunfire in CA, u should
Think it was more common in the old opener cuz it was longer time frame
That also, assume ur sending CDs on start of fight of Araz 🙂
cloud lion
One day we will enter nexus last phase with every1 alive
tropic pollen
Shouldn't he have to? If the first one is it 2 seconds and his last buffed star surge is at 21 seconds, wouldn't it have fallen? I'm not sure it makes a huge difference, I'm just trying to figure out what to do.
Do you not send your CDs on the start of Araz?
tropic pollen
Got it
tropic pollen
Maybe I've got a talent wrong (I'm very new to balance) but it sunfire for me is 18 seconds, which would mean that guys sunfire had fallen at 21 seconds.
tropic pollen
well 18 gets you to 20 and he doesn't have a starfall cast in that window. Maybe it doesn't really matter, I just happened to notice it and wasn't sure how to approach it. I think what I was screwing up mostly was sunfiring before moonfiring. It isn't much, but it makes the sunfire drop a second or so earlier.
lofty depot
well 18 gets you to 20 and he doesn't have a starfall cast in that window. Maybe...
convoke casts a starfall which extends it
glacial spindle
Should I empty AP before convoke on opener or is there some interaction that makes that bad?
lofty depot
Should I empty AP before convoke on opener or is there some interaction that mak...
you can fit 2 surges, 3 if ur lusted
glacial spindle
you can fit 2 surges, 3 if ur lusted
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lofty depot
empty could be 3-4 and u dont have enough time for that to get trees ending + ca buffed surges
iirc
tropic pollen
convoke casts a starfall which extends it
That's it. Great point.
leaden ginkgo
Hey guys quick questin will we use starfall at 3+ mobs or 2+
lofty depot
depends on if you have kindling talented
leaden ginkgo
I do
leaden ginkgo
depends on if you have kindling talented
So if i have kindling i will do it @ 2+ ?
lofty depot
yes
lofty depot
we outside with it
upper anvil
youre touching grass?
lofty depot
thats not what that means
celest rampart
is this band of the shattered soul actually any good?
lofty depot
sim it
delicate perch
Is a ring with like 6k haste good for a spec that currently does not care for haste
Great question
wild dune