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#balance
lofty depot
lofty depot
Wipe 3 he has 90% crits
plush garden
yeah it appears the first few pulls were working coreretly
severe hollow
yea feels like some log corruption
severe hollow
ah fair
plush garden
And how am I fixing that ?
normal pilot
log out for 5min
lofty depot
Log off prob
normal pilot
and pray
lofty depot
Shouldn't u be able to log into new character then log into old
craggy sonnet
props to blizz for that one
lofty depot
To reset it
plush garden
Idk i cba
lofty depot
props to blizz for that one
Maybe don't get mc'f
That'll teach u to do mechanics properly
craggy sonnet
true
normal pilot
raid is over anyways m+ only real content left
lofty depot
"real" content is coming soon (alpha test)
round field
raid is over anyways m+ only real content left
not until turbo boost
minigame irrelevant now
upper anvil
Do we get to +30s this season
You get to +40
lofty depot
Im dead before i get there
lofty depot
Nop
wraith hollow
All the same?
teal sphinx
well it was a seperate keybind, cast, and empowered 4 frost shocks it was beans
maiden pasture
any Ws in the chat
lofty depot
Oh shit
maiden pasture
i beat this noob
nova ocean
Wonder if we get another buff in the .5 patch
lofty depot
Surely
inner plover
nova ocean
Maybe we get the warior and BM treatment
lofty depot
Never
drifting nova
Maybe we get the warior and BM treatment
nerfs?
inner plover
They have no clue how to buff Balance 😄 Since the talents structure is such mess. They cant tweak 1 thing to not break 10 others. They can literally increase SS damage and it would do good for EC build, but for KOTG it would created stronger buff.. Hope in some rework in Midnight
maiden pasture
balance is not tuned poorly, its designed poorly
lucid olive
Wonder if we get another buff in the .5 patch
no class changes in .5 patch
they havent done halfway patches with class changes since the first one of the expansion
and those were just changes they didnt have time to make in beta
inner plover
Ferals eat good in M+, but i hate melee 😄
steel cedar
Balance needs to be reverted to pre WoD style, with starsurge procs on crit 😤
lofty depot
Balance needs to be reverted to pre WoD style, with starsurge procs on crit 😤
Legion or bfa >
nova ocean
no class changes in .5 patch
So tuning next week 🙂
mental tiger
use 2 starfire to get into lunar eclipse?
lofty depot
use 2 starfire to get into lunar eclipse?
Link to page pleasee
Is it just the prio list
mental tiger
normal pilot
unlucky tettles strikes again
lofty depot
Steering the frogs wrong
wicked shuttle
Out to get them
lofty depot
Out to get them
Fotms can't get title if they don't know how to get into eclipse 
maiden pasture
fotms arent rolling to this spec
lofty depot
Sure they are
true viper
Why balance kinda nasty rn
leaden birch
true viper
No
true viper
Perhaps
lofty depot
I would not be playing keeper in m+
wicked shuttle
Why balance kinda nasty rn
Can’t live high keys
Overall DPS in m+ is actually pretty good. It doesn’t fit into what the meta comp will be, It does diabolical single target, and can’t live. Thus it’s bad.
vital shard
What about raid after the buff?
wicked shuttle
It’s still the same in raid. It’s fine on single target, but it’s just really bad at what the raid asks of you
You can only tunnel the boss
vital shard
Yeah araz and nazindri felt bad
thorn nebula
No damage outside of CDs, no fast swap damage, and horrible survivability unless you want to sit in bear form silenced
wicked shuttle
Ya survivability on dimensius and salhadaar is tragically bad
thorn nebula
Also all your damage is centered around 4 crits
true viper
Both specs play kinda similar like as soon as ads get into the mix it kinda drops off compared to how other classes are
thorn nebula
Horrible design - I hope they do better next xpac for us
vital shard
So feral is not an alternative
wicked shuttle
How’d you live P1 dimensius btw @thorn nebula
thorn nebula
If you crit dryad buffed starsurges you do decent damage, if you don’t you’re just sad
true viper
I don’t think I’ll ever do dim on balance
wicked shuttle
I’m on my shaman rn I’m legit chilling entirety of P1, but I knew I’d be in the dirt if I was on Druid
thorn nebula
How’d you live P1 dimensius btw <@250792151439376394>
During prog it was rough and I probably rotted out more than any other player. Lot of just bear form to survive while the healers figured out the cadence of the fight
true viper
I’m on my shaman rn I’m legit chilling entirety of P1, but I knew I’d be in the ...
Move while casting moment
wicked shuttle
During prog it was rough and I probably rotted out more than any other player. L...
Checks out. I hate rotting out omg
It’s the worst
thorn nebula
Also sims prio low haste with our rotation which sucks to play high movement fights like P1/P2 dimensius
So I actually sandbagged like 2-3k haste more than what sims wanted me to do
And I definitely did more damage because of that
thorn nebula
It’s the worst
It’s so bad because it sucks to die like that AND you get blamed for not going bear form when we’re the only class in the game that has to globally silence ourselves to survive
p3 I had to sit in bear form a lot
wicked shuttle
Ele just presses earth elemental
And it’s like you’re in bear form for 1:00
Insane button for raid
thorn nebula
And I had to blow my renewal almost every pull and I think our our kill on the balls dropping at the START of P3 which feels bad because I’d rather save it for other sketchy parts of the fight where the healers aren’t able to plant
thorn nebula
It’s pretty funny though - we complained whole expansion about horrible prio damage and they really gave it to us
mild latch
hi do you have a good plater for balance ? 🙂
lucid olive
It’s so bad because it sucks to die like that AND you get blamed for not going b...
the other classes that have defensives like that are immunities
maiden pasture
they didnt give us prio damager they gave us ST as the only viable option 😭
lofty depot
hi do you have a good plater for balance ? 🙂
Jundies
lucid olive
but those classes will argue that the bear form conundrum applies to them
thorn nebula
+1 Jundies
mild latch
ty i will try it 🙂
thorn nebula
I also added a custom mod for tracking moonfire/sunfire on mobs - I can link it later
I’ll dm you
thorn nebula
the other classes that have defensives like that are immunities
Like mage which has alter time, ice cold/block, barrier, mass barrier
lofty depot
Invis
thorn nebula
Or DK can just get hit by everything and live
Is anyone actually enjoying boomkin this tier? Actually curious
lofty depot
Me
lucid olive
Like mage which has alter time, ice cold/block, barrier, mass barrier
i was talking more like netherwalk/turtle/block
but yeah
wicked shuttle
I had fun raiding, really unfun progging as moonkin tbh
lofty depot
But that might be just cuz it's the first tier in 6 that has a somewhat interactive tierset
wicked shuttle
The dying shit is my trigger
lucid olive
those classes will argue that those spells are just as bad as bear form but don't realize the difference between an immunity and some more hp lmao
paper ember
Thats so real
lucid olive
I had fun raiding, really unfun progging as moonkin tbh
what about thorloser
wicked shuttle
what about thorloser
Most fun I’ve ever had progging a boss
thorn nebula
🤣🤣🤣
lofty depot
Tettles brought back moonkin monthly to reroll 4 days later
wicked shuttle
It’s insane
lofty depot
And out of context, he gets clipped 🙂
lucid olive
nice autocorrect
lofty depot
Shut up rat
thorn nebula
Yeah Ele deserved a good tier
We really do too though - hopefully next expansion we get it
maiden pasture
we dont deserve shit
too good in minigame
always sandbagging
moonkins always crying
thorn nebula
I mean class has felt bad to play and has been horrible in raid for a long time - I don’t think complaining about it is unwarranted
lofty depot
Yet people still play it
drifting nova
is 4pc ec good or
thorn nebula
Yeah true - tbh though I wanted to play arcane mage this tier. I was forced into boomie because none of our healers wanted to play resto
drifting nova
it's bc it's kotg
pallid bay
Yeah true - tbh though I wanted to play arcane mage this tier. I was forced into...
should've played fearl
lucid olive
catge
lofty depot
Cringe
thorn nebula
Yeah I definitely considered it - I had it prep’d to swap if we really needed it for the platforms on Saladar
lofty depot
That too
pallid bay
its actually insane
we knew it would be this bad
blizzard knew it would this bad
yet somehow
it took 4 weeks
for 5% buff
thorn nebula
5% aura buff doesn’t even solve the problem for the class either
Sure we look better on fractilius
zealous rain
Any advice for mythic forgeweaver? Feel pretty worthless
pallid bay
Sure we look better on fractilius
if you crit sure
thorn nebula
Helps with damage amp on saladar + dimensius too.
But we do literally 0 damage outside of our cds
pallid bay
Any advice for mythic forgeweaver? Feel pretty worthless
hit boss
thorn nebula
And our entire damage profile is based around 2-4 lucky crits in our cds
What a horrible design
Prolly gonna get a lot of heat for saying this but I think Pulsar was one of our better styles that we’ve had for this spec
Arcane does most of their damage in their cds as well but it doesn’t feel as bad because they have mini burn + cds very frequently
lofty depot
Any advice for mythic forgeweaver? Feel pretty worthless
During prog I was surging during trees, and starfalling else.
But yea stayed in lunar, Sunfire orbs, starfalled for some echo damage.
lofty depot
Prolly gonna get a lot of heat for saying this but I think Pulsar was one of our...
Ur not gonna get heat
Objectively took away a talent with the statement "will be easier to tune", and let us rot for multiple tiers
drifting nova
Prolly gonna get a lot of heat for saying this but I think Pulsar was one of our...
procless specs are boring
atleast we have ol trusty
lofty depot
We got procs
drifting nova
if i'm being lazy
yeah owlkin frenzy
das it
why is an ele in my group doing 600k
I thought ele was stronk
maiden pasture
Prolly gonna get a lot of heat for saying this but I think Pulsar was one of our...
this is a pretty normal take. the complaints about pulsar were mainly centered around deaths in m+ and the fact that you were punished more by downtime than other specs
maiden pasture
Yeah I definitely considered it - I had it prep’d to swap if we really needed it...
feral zDps on platforms
maiden pasture
why is an ele in my group doing 600k
ur playing in maccaroni low
limpid grotto
During prog I was surging during trees, and starfalling else.
But yea stayed i...
only time I'm going lunar is during intermission when there's collector + 2 adds , am I doing that wrong
maiden pasture
probably
limpid grotto
I was under the idea that we'd just sunfire the adds when they spawn, and send surge consistently + wraths
maiden pasture
going solar for faster casts is nice
jaunty blaze
why would you surge when you can hit everything with starfall
lofty depot
only time I'm going lunar is during intermission when there's collector + 2 adds...
Didn't go into lunar then either
limpid grotto
because starfall does no damage
jaunty blaze
it does when it hit 6 targets tho
limpid grotto
and the adds are dying relatively well
maiden pasture
heres something that will make it easier
lofty depot
The fuck I'm a casts starfire when I got a dodge lazers
maiden pasture
if u have AK and 2 targets dotted
you starfall
so in main phase when u have the echo and boss both dotted
lofty depot
Starfall does damage, and kindling extends dots
maiden pasture
ur starfalling anyway
jaunty blaze
if you arent starfalling in intermission might aswell send full st build
limpid grotto
I am starfalling in intermission
limpid grotto
only time I'm going lunar is during intermission when there's collector + 2 adds...
I said I went lunar thought starfall was implied too there ,soz
limpid grotto
that you're more likely to surge in solar than to starfall in solar
as far as I remember
I didn't play last tier
lofty depot
That's not the reason u Starfall or surge
jaunty blaze
one thing doesnt exclude the other
limpid grotto
regardless my question is the same, no need to get into the technicalities of a small thing I said that was irrelevant
lofty depot
The eclipse has nothing to do with u pressing either
limpid grotto
Okay
jaunty blaze
you can starfall and still just hit another target with wrath
limpid grotto
Alright thanks for the answer
lofty depot
regardless my question is the same, no need to get into the technicalities of a ...
I actually prefer worrying about the technicalities and fundamentals
limpid grotto
There's a time and a place, and for me this one wasn't it
I just had a off-side question regarding something else
lofty depot
It will change ur perspective and presumably help you understand why your thinking improperly
limpid grotto
Always down to learn, especially when I ask about it
Here I asked about something else that's all
lofty depot
I mean sure, but when u see something wrong, u say something
limpid grotto
Alright fair, cheers
So starfall in p1 too for the adds despite them dying at a decent pace
Will do so and see how that pans out for me, appreciated
lofty depot
I Starfall in p1 for echo and boss dam
limpid grotto
I mean another thing on that topic
Idk how you did it, but we're being told to nuke echo with ranged only , which I believe is the usual practice
Are you still sending starfall rather than surges into the echo
reef surge
wowhead builds still relevant?
lucid olive
sure
maiden pasture
Are you still sending starfall rather than surges into the echo
personally i would wrath the echo and starfall, if you notice your guild struggling with dps on the echo you can starsurge instead
adapt to your guilds damage
limpid grotto
Oh the eco is definetly struggling
reef surge
EC higher keys KOTG lower keys?
maiden pasture
a moonkin starfalling or surging shouldnt be the difference
craggy sonnet
Oh the eco is definetly struggling
only the first echo has to die
why do you struggle?
lofty depot
Idk how you did it, but we're being told to nuke echo with ranged only , which I...
U nuke first
lofty depot
The 2nd lives thru collectors
limpid grotto
Yea 2nd is living through into amp phase
lucid olive
the plural "you"
limpid grotto
I don't know, it's been something
maiden pasture
why do you struggle?
what an odd question XD
craggy sonnet
Yea 2nd is living through into amp phase
that is totally fine
lucid olive
yeah 2nd echo should live until amp phase
limpid grotto
Yea , its the 1st one that's taking a while to die
lofty depot
Yea 2nd is living through into amp phase
Ok so what u mean u didn't understand how I do it
limpid grotto
Not amp but pre-amp
lofty depot
The echo lives forever
craggy sonnet
there is a window with now adds nothing
lucid olive
whos jah
craggy sonnet
everyone can switch on the echo
and kill it before 2nd adds and 2nd soak is coming
imagine struggling to kill the add
but insisting on melees staying boss
lofty depot
Also if that's the case u could send the 2nd set of buffed surges into echo
It's ugly but shrug
Then again ur probably not holding ur cds
Hehe
craggy sonnet
but anyways .. you can surge the first echo if you want/need
2nd echo just dot it and starfall with AK
reef surge
i forget how do we sim aoe on RB
dense steeple
I send my second ca surges into the echo
reef surge
wont let me use dungeon slice
dense steeple
Cause fuck it who cares kill add
reef surge
I know I remember now, been awhile since ive done anything balance
drifting nova
whats a non shit mastery %
jaunty blaze
at least 2
craggy sonnet
non shit, hmmge
jaunty blaze
stacking secondary stat buff changes to another stat every 10 or so seconds
15 seconds actually
zealous river
is there any wa for keeper dmg cap?
jaunty blaze
no need to track it really because its hard to not fill it
pallid bay
jaunty blaze
fps warning 
pallid bay
lofty depot
https://wago.io/ft5oo9eGI
does it update to int or nah
pallid bay
no idea what it does anymore
lofty depot
based
pallid bay
only displays it after ig
now it shows cap based on int when you pressed CA at least
will be lower when you actually get the buff though
scenic mist
https://wago.io/ft5oo9eGI
resorting to fps killing wa to lower the competition 
pallid bay
ebon void
i've been running keeper in m+ for keys up to 12, at what level is it a bad idea to not switch to elunes
lucid olive
the level where you feel like you're useless
can play EC in +9s and have it be better than keeper
maiden pasture
always play elunes
fuck this woke keeper in lower keys nonsense
whats gonna happen if you play elunes in lower keys? you do less damage but you turbo time the key anyway
lucid olive
i play guardian in keys
done 72 10+ keys on druid and like 45 on them on guardian gg
exotic perch
done 72 10+ keys on druid and like 45 on them on guardian gg
ive done most as resto
hard to find healers and tanks
lucid olive
playing another season of starfire spam makes me wanna alt f4
think i played more keys as feral than moonkin past few weeks as well
exotic perch
if i dps i just go to my shaman now
scenic mist
done 72 10+ keys on druid and like 45 on them on guardian gg
is there an actual tool to see how many keys we did in what spec ?
scenic mist
lucid olive
the total keys done is on your rio though
lucid olive
ez
stone ledge
playing another season of starfire spam makes me wanna alt f4
Bind starfire to alt and starfall to f4 and if you ever overlap gg go next
scenic mist
agree
scenic mist
no but like they're just killing the game
drifting nova
was a dk that rolled on everything vs a paladin
that ACTUALLY needed it
as he was mad he lost antenna to the hunter
but blizzard knows best
as with everything I suppose
stone ledge
Gold for services my roll deserved to be paid for 🙂
scenic mist
but blizzard knows best
blizzard gave me the mount on our first CE kill for the last 3 tier, i'd say they do know best
exotic perch
i am kinda surprised that its not just personal loot in pugs
stone ledge
Need roll for tmog over your 3 alt get absolutely destroyed by my dice
drifting nova
actual walled 5/8m giga trolls
scenic mist
you cant get ANYTHING
i mean the game is meant to be played in a guild, at least the raid
drifting nova
hardstuck on soul hunters
lucid olive
you do lfr for crests on fresh characters
stone ledge
hardstuck on soul hunters
I’d be offended if we didn’t kill last night 
lucid olive
easiest way to gear a fresh character now is probably to buy the next expansion, use the insta 80 boost and get 25 renown on the original factions and then go to every quartermaster and pick up the free crests and valorstones
drifting nova
not only do I hate that is a thing
it doesnt get you actual loot
again, I didnt need any of the loot
but to watch 2 different rats do different loot trolling
for differing reasons
exotic perch
easiest way to gear a fresh character now is probably to buy the next expansion,...
i do wish the runed/gilded achievements would make alts drop way more of that crest
drifting nova
i do wish the runed/gilded achievements would make alts drop way more of that cr...
then you'd play less /s
exotic perch
seeing i gotta do like 30 keys on an alt to cap is not fun
lucid olive
i think if they want to keep turbo boost a thing for coming seasons they should uncap weathered crests from the start
exotic perch
20 gilded for a 12 is awesome like that they kept that change
scenic mist
i think if they want to keep turbo boost a thing for coming seasons they should ...
i'd prefer they allow you to trade gilded inside warband
lucid olive
yeah but they wont do that
drifting nova
i'd prefer they allow you to trade gilded inside warband
just delete crests
scale them across difficulties
scenic mist
just delete crests
nah upgrade system is nice
lucid olive
if they uncapped weathered crests you wouldn't feel fucked if you've done a ton of content the first 2 months and then turbo boost comes and the mountain of crests too farm on all your alts is too much
drifting nova
it's objectively the worst upgrade system theyve ever relesaed
yes, the one from wotlk was better
17years ago
lucid olive
like in season 2 i was gearing ton of alts and then turbo boost was enabled and i had to farm 300-400 crests on all my characters
i just logged off and played other games instead
lucid olive
but if weathered crests were uncapped from the start i could have saved up like 1000-2000 of them and traded it up to gilded and actually made a dent into the massive pile of crests
scenic mist
like in season 2 i was gearing ton of alts and then turbo boost was enabled and ...
tbf if you did that pre-turbo boost you'd have so much crests you could trade it all for maybe 80% of the gilded you needed
drifting nova
the conversions are balls
drifting nova
you have to actively be clinically insane
to want to play alts
literally every system works against you
drifting nova
...
lucid olive
can just log on my warr and get insta 4pc
drifting nova
cool, generate a currency
maiden pasture
warbound good, discount from achievement good
lucid olive
meh dont mind a bit of rng that way
drifting nova
it'd only be absolutely good
lucid olive
we were doing mythic alt raid earlier and a rogue got heroic antenna warbound
scenic mist
if theres 1 thing they should fix its the crafting system
profession trees
lucid olive
devalues every fucking wrist/belt/weapon that drops outside of vault and mythic raid
stone ledge
Remove m+ 🙂
drifting nova
this season is actually
stone ledge
Log in raid log out simulator
lucid olive
last season was the best m+ season i've played i think
scenic mist
Log in raid log out simulator
that's WoD minus sending your followers on gold digging missions
stone ledge
But back to back season
loud kettle
dawnbreaker exists so yea
drifting nova
I didnt play s2 and even I know these dungeons suck
sure I didnt see the fish in floodgate
but eh
stone ledge
Pet classes have it worse on dawn
stone ledge
I’m not unironically
loud kettle
worse doesnt matter, its already atrocious
stone ledge
I actually voted stonevault over it lol
drifting nova
votes were fake
lucid olive
Dawnbreaker dungeon is terrible because all the dev time was spent making the dynamic lighting from that fucking crystal in the roof
I voted Rookery
stone ledge
Mine were real (burned before counted)
loud kettle
meadery (:
lucid olive
Rookery perfect pug weekly key
drifting nova
overall
lucid olive
right in the main city so nobody needs a summon ever and takes 15 minutes
maiden pasture
Rookery perfect pug weekly key
ecodome kinda bis tho
maiden pasture
eco dome when doing pug weeklies
but nothing beats gambit
my guildies did a sub 12 min gambit this week
lucid olive
Eco Dome is like a 7/10 dungeon that evolves into 9/10 with inky black potion
yeah first area in gambit you just pull everything to boss lol
lucid olive
sanguine depths
loud kettle
people loved halls of atonement
drifting nova
yeah in shadowlands
lucid olive
wouldve been terrible
loud kettle
they wouldve made sanguine depths without the canisters
yea...
lucid olive
Necrotic Wake in season 1 didnt have the robots either
drifting nova
400 casters
lucid olive
and you just know they didnt want to add the weapons either
drifting nova
ah yes a nice open courtyard with 400casts going off
maiden pasture
the removed covenant shit, canisters werent covenant or?
drifting nova
goodluck 🙂
loud kettle
canisters were venthyr
lucid olive
next expansion they're gonna do DF dungeons in m+ so
stone ledge
Honestly with the changes recently to halls
lucid olive
probably get Nokhud and Azure Vault season 1
drifting nova
loud kettle
what is the first raid
stone ledge
3 more seasons of priory
lucid olive
the 6 boss raid is the first
lucid olive
what the theme is i have no clue
stone ledge
3 and 3
loud kettle
6 boss raid 2 boss raid 1 boss raid ye
stone ledge
Ah
lucid olive
the 2nd raid is called Dreamrift
loud kettle
just wondering what the 6 boss raid is
scenic mist
just wondering what the 6 boss raid is
void themed
scenic mist
it's xal's lair
loud kettle
void themed hm
lucid olive
yeah azure vault
scenic mist
we'll get to see kyveza again i bet
lucid olive
no she's dead dead now after the delve thing i'm pretty sure
we kill her dad again though
he's in the first raid afaik
lucid olive
no salhadaar didn't die
loud kettle
salhadaar?
lucid olive
he's in the Voidspire
loud kettle
ah typo of saladbar ic
lucid olive
Xalatath absorbed him as a servant
loud kettle
daddy-in-law saladbar
lucid olive
didnt nzoth kill her
drifting nova
mhm yes "kill"
loud kettle
wheres azshara
here
lucid olive
if you tilt your head that kinda looks like the horde symbol
drifting nova
no, is italian
fossil hemlock
if you tilt your head that kinda looks like the horde symbol
Yeah the goblins did that to "show their allegiance"
fossil hemlock
didnt nzoth kill her
She was tortured, we freed her, she gave us the empty xaladagger and stepped into a void portal iirc
obsidian tapir
Dawnbreaker dungeon is terrible because all the dev time was spent making the dy...
https://www.twitch.tv/ascendpie/clip/BeautifulUgliestSnakeArsonNoSexy-J7tqsKeJ-Axxhko8 its like this all the time I play hunter
obsidian tapir
🙁 I play hunter only cuz boomie is raw and uncooked
lucid olive
we're so back
drifting nova
wdym issue
obsidian tapir
and I like to gamble on afro African arrows
drifting nova
it was literally a design choice
to be lazy
did amirdrassil tues and was like oh flight form works
how nice it was
got fire chicken tho so, never have to do that again
lucid olive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPzakuf_pDo&ab_channel=Ash%C3%ADtaka
you're a bit slow too
don't need to press spacebar to take off
can just walk off the edge and insta whirling
scenic mist
don't need to press spacebar to take off
yeah but 1st ring is above
scenic mist
you dont
loud kettle
Can skip first ring
scenic mist
just safety
loud kettle
California 2nd
maiden pasture
Good bit tbf
daring gull
probably get Nokhud and Azure Vault season 1
dont you dare put that bad mojo on us. no one wants nokhud again.
delicate perch
fellowship is out before then m+ is dead dw
somber path
Grimrail Depot and The Nokhud Offensive season 1 of midnight just for shits and giggles
scenic mist
what is simc default?
with
manic spade
Hey. have any of you occured a bug where when you enter boomkin form, it keeps cancelling the form and entering it - without you touching anything?
sinful surge
OH
scenic mist
nw
scenic mist
Hey. have any of you occured a bug where when you enter boomkin form, it keeps c...
yeah it was discussed here some time ago
try the search function
to see what ppl said about it
manic spade
Thanks! Ill try that, its fucking anoying lol
snow elm
Triple starfall damage and soft cap it at 8 targets thanks
hearty lodge
halls ring is eluding me to the edge of the earth
drifting nova
before I flame this chicken, how many blobs do you have on last ara boss
frigid goblet
for mythic loomithar how do you guys do the tangles? do you switch to them and dot em up or do starfall or just ignore them?
exotic perch
you would dot and surge them
frigid goblet
ty
drifting nova
well that was a wake up call to never do keys without a hero holy god
scenic mist
well that was a wake up call to never do keys without a hero holy god
drums 
drifting nova
I also wasnt expecting a chicken to do sub tank damage
at 710ilvl
I have drums now 🙂
all it took was depleting an ara
with a 9min last boss
left kraken
how is priory so bad vs incorporeal essence gorger ? they are the same except priory should give me haste or mastery and gorger versa and priory gives bit more stat as well https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b49hmvTiU9UC2xD13JJqfb
obsidian girder
too much of highest stat is bad i guess?
left kraken
isnt mastery just dmg ?
delicate perch
you have like 0 vers and a lot of haste
scenic mist
how is priory so bad vs incorporeal essence gorger ? they are the same except p...
being high in the diminishing returns drastically reduces the priory value
lucid olive
how is priory so bad vs incorporeal essence gorger ? they are the same except p...
cause haste is very bad
and its giving you haste
lucid olive
how is priory so bad vs incorporeal essence gorger ? they are the same except p...
here's the same sim with crit/mast on the weapon and the floodgate neck at equal ilvl to your current to lower some of the haste https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t3Pm5mHeBdcXYVM9kW7TjR
viral estuary
Hey. have any of you occured a bug where when you enter boomkin form, it keeps c...
It’s a bug from having hold to cast enabled or whatever it’s called
merry ibex
On pull for soulhunters do you guys just send your 2nd CA charge after the first one or do you hold it until your warrior of elune comes back up
lucid olive
i usually hold until i have a respectable amount of 4pc stacks and overlap it with an FoE
but using it inside lust might be better
delicate perch
so forever?
lucid olive
yes
lucid olive
it shouldnt have a timer
it's not the only thing with a timer they should delete from the game
(m+)
delicate perch
manic spade
It’s a bug from having hold to cast enabled or whatever it’s called
Thanks!
delicate perch
bring back raid attunement, need to time all keys at 15 to enter mythic
lucid olive
poor guild tanks
delicate perch
it's fine they can play alt tanks
drifting nova
bring back raid attunement, need to time all keys at 15 to enter mythic
atleast it'd keep some of the absolute disaster class 4/8m players I've seen out
rough marten
am I going insane why is my second ca 10.5 seconds not 12
lucid olive
you're attacking a pvp dummy
lucid olive
or you're attacking a dummy that is attacked by someone who is attacking a pvp dummy
rough marten
thank u that was driving me insane
dapper wing
Is there an apl to sim every single belt version or should I just manually do it
lucid olive
there was a code for it but it's from months ago
you only need to sim the stat ones anyway
dapper wing
despair
lucid olive
electric current, static charge, spark burst and critical chain
lucid olive
yes that has been in since the belt got introduced
left kraken
here's the same sim with crit/mast on the weapon and the floodgate neck at equal...
ty, thought haste was pretty good, maybe im outdated lol
dapper wing
Haste isn't good this season
obsidian jetty
haste isn't great this season, but even historically, haste has been a bad stat for an on-use trinket. Generally it's just worse than the other stats regardless
humble mauve
I feel like 4.64m overall in a +9 is a little low
round field
Yes
humble mauve
wonder if it's a combo of low ilvl/not knowing wtf I'm doing
spell breakdown doesn't look terrible(?)
wicked shuttle
Starfall is a bit low and surge is quite high at a glance
copper dagger
Starfall is a bit low and surge is quite high at a glance
also considering it's very low key and with not much aoe?
wicked shuttle
Well if anything it being a 9 is the only thing that relates to that
upper anvil
That's a big difference in star fire and fall. Yoy normally would be even or slightly over in one. Not this big
humble mauve
I wonder if I'm accidentally hitting surge on accident since starfall is shift 3 and surge is 3
Playing at 200ms
wicked shuttle
His DPS are low ilvl too, so they shouldn’t insta kill trash packs
upper anvil
9 is fine. His other members are lower ilevel and I doubt they're nuking it fast enough where boomie isnt uswful
As tettles said. That's a lot more starsurge then starfalls. Dawnbreaker still has decent packs
copper dagger
also db depends a lot on the route, if tank was micro pulling u can't really judge
upper anvil
Foe is also kinda low to the point where starsurge is about to be above it
Which I never had happen in a key that im aware of
Moonfire seems kinda low. Uptime is good. But normally its like my 3rd or 4th highest damage
humble mauve
think it's a mastery thing?
upper anvil
Whats your stats
upper anvil
Well give the flat numbers but base on % they're not great
But i mean
Starfire is at 1.6b compared to fall
copper dagger
mastery is low yea but i still think tank was micro pulling tbh
humble mauve
5.6k crit, 14k haste, 15k mastery
upper anvil
Even with mastery fall normally does a fair amount even if fire is stronger rn
You have to much verse
For keys i mean
humble mauve
Yeah I'm kinda at the mercy of the game giving me loot atm
copper dagger
raidbots for EC makes me sit around 25k mastery and 16k haste or smth
upper anvil
You're 710 tho. You should be able to get secondary stats by now
Just do some more keys and farm hero pieces ig
humble mauve
I'm 704
wicked shuttle
think it's a mastery thing?
I think it’s a gameplay thing
upper anvil
Ah you right. Im blind
wicked shuttle
But who’s fault is hard to say
humble mauve
I'll take the heat for it for sure haha
silk shard
i wish kotg was viable for keys, i don't really enjoy EC gameplay
humble mauve
First time maining a dps spec in 10 years
humble mauve
Well first time maining anything other than rsham rather
copper dagger
You’ll surge a lot
this++
light sonnet
Hello fellows druids
I’m resto but I need in raid to swap second spec to balance
The things is : as a resto player I’ve massive amount of haste* on my gear. In single target situations it would be better to (hero talent) stay keeper or go to fury of elune (since haste in keeper seems to have low value) ?
wicked shuttle
You just asked why your overall is low
upper anvil
i wish kotg was viable for keys, i don't really enjoy EC gameplay
Telling me yoy don't like dotting everyrhing and ramping while frost dk presses cds and instantly 60m dps
wicked shuttle
Hello fellows druids
I’m resto but I need in raid to swap second spec to balance...
EC is unplayable in raid
(Aside from soul hunters)
silk shard
well the frost dk is gonna do that whether i play kotg or ec, and when i play ec it feels like i get no ST when we do get to the bosses in m+
humble mauve
which is weird because if you look at archon (dont judge) it shows EC lmfao
light sonnet
EC is unplayable in raid
Thx
upper anvil
St is ok not the best or worst. Depends on boss
Still able to do 3-6m depending on boss ofc and cds and stuff
wicked shuttle
Moonkin ST in keys is really low in my experience
silk shard
my pain point is that with kotg i can do big dam when cds are up but feels like hell between cds; with EC i can sorta get around it with the way the hero talents reduce FOE cd
humble mauve
yeah my ST seems a bit low I think I average like 3m ish that key
upper anvil
I've been playing a bit fury lately and man that st damage is so much better then boomie and it makes me sad
lofty depot
I'll take the heat for it for sure haha
post a log
upper anvil
Uh oh artics here run goatboye
wicked shuttle
Well logs just give more context than a damage meter screenshot
humble mauve
I think the only log I have for keys is me playing kotg
lofty depot
Moonkin ST in keys is really low in my experience
u see krona cook
lofty depot
he did
wicked shuttle
u see krona cook
I saw krona do like 3mill overall less in a Eco Dome
lofty depot
hes playing boomkin
wicked shuttle
If that’s what you’re referencing
lofty depot
yea but he was doing st dam
upper anvil
3m less in ecob
humble mauve
lucid olive
I saw krona do like 3mill overall less in a Eco Dome
He plays Stellar Amp over Sunseeker
lofty depot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCxLJnAWrdZThzYa?fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
i mean me trying to hlep u and u only having keeper log
its not gonna help
wicked shuttle
He plays Stellar Amp over Sunseeker
Ya I’m not surprised he’s trying that
lucid olive
Sounds like troll but who knows maybe it's the new meta
lofty depot
goldrinn over rattle
humble mauve
yeah I'm gonna log this next one
lofty depot
too
humble mauve
waiting on a healer rn
lucid olive
I'd drop UI for Stellar Amp instead I think
lofty depot
i did s funny 2t sim and stellar amp was better than mushroom
silk shard
goldrinn over rattle wouldn't even weaver do more than goldrinn T_T
lofty depot
which when i was looking at my mushroom damage on soul hunters i might make a decision...
humble mauve
if it's my talents I just took the ones off dreamgrove
lucid olive
goldrinn over rattle wouldn't even weaver do more than goldrinn T_T
No Weaver is very bad
lofty depot
goldrinn over rattle wouldn't even weaver do more than goldrinn T_T
surges from ec tier proc goldrinn
silk shard
ooo
lofty depot
and starfire damage is more important than starfall
lucid olive
The only thing worse than generating AP is procs that don't let you spend it
lofty depot
so the thought is less starfall presses more starfire presses
silk shard
yeah the more i learn EC the more it feels regressive like i'm going back to wotlk moonkin
lucid olive
The less AP you spend the more your tier set procs and you cast more Starfire
I wonder if SOTF is worth taking out for something
The crit talent maybe
silk shard
so floating AP for more proc... is this the modern equivalent of mop era solar camping for solar cleaving 
wicked shuttle
@lofty depot bro i am clicking through his vods and he is doing 15-20% less damage than this DK and Rogue LOL
this CANNOT be right
lofty depot
yea but hes doing prio dam now 🙂
wicked shuttle
i love the part where he just logs mage
lofty depot
lol
lucid olive
Krona could play Orbital Strike New Moon and arctic would be praising it like the second coming of christ
lucid olive
loud kettle
Krona could play Orbital Strike New Moon and arctic would be praising it like the second coming of christ
lofty depot
i give 0 fucks about m+
tardy hare
I like this convo
wicked shuttle
my guy is just sweating his ass off to do 15% less damage than the rest of his team on a BM Hunter and a FDK
lucid olive
is he doing MDI with these people?
If he's doing mdi at all it's probably with them
Is he playing with arxes? Saw them do a key few days ago at least
lofty depot
would feral not be better for mdi
lucid olive
I saw him do Dawnbreaker earlier
lucid olive
Speed, Lazel, Shuh
Man Lazel is a character for sure
I didn't know people were doing p1 on Rashanan and then clearing a pack before doing p2
wicked shuttle
Feral certainly does more damage than moonkin
by not an insignificant amount either
tardy hare
So I can do 15% less dmg than meta and its just fine cuz I have vers buff
wicked shuttle
So I can do 15% less dmg than meta and its just fine cuz I have vers buff
NO THIS IS NOT FINE
tardy hare
But vers is so good
lucid olive
You should be doing 30% less damage tbh
Reroll until rework
I'm on strike actually
(playing chicken on dimmy)
wicked shuttle
vers buff is like ~700K DPS coming from the moonkin
on a spec that is doing like
2 MILLION less overall
lofty depot
vers buff is like ~700K DPS coming from the moonkin
yea but 700k x 5
wicked shuttle
problem is alternative is like feral druid which should in theory do more DPS
tardy hare
If you pull enough boomkin is awesome. Like +20 targets every pull that lasts 5 minutes
wicked shuttle
and that netherprism trinket
is GIGA
why moonkin when netherprism kill trash pack
lucid olive
Isn't Yarrgi's team just not playing druid and doing 20s
wicked shuttle
you def dont need druid
lofty depot
Isn't Yarrgi's team just not playing druid and doing 20s
yes
wicked shuttle
im not so certain im a mage believer
lucid olive
It's phys comp season
upper anvil
Is it time i do fereal
wicked shuttle
i swear havoc is just melee mage except more overall dps
lofty depot
theres another with vdh, rsham, ret, fdk, warrior
lucid olive
Yeah havoc fills the role that arcane usually fills
Very good prio damage but with more aoe
copper dagger
Very good prio damage but with more aoe
doesnt have insane execute tho :^)
lucid olive
No ret sucks
upper anvil
Artic just being artic ig
lucid olive
doesnt have insane execute tho :^)
That's what the pwarr is for
round field
Dont need arcane mage for prio
copper dagger
That's what the pwarr is for
pls let me think at least 1 of the classes i play is decent...
round field
When you can send keeper into add and it goes boom
lofty depot
Artic just being artic ig
the fuck
round field
Wait no im dumb...
wicked shuttle
i think 5T arcane is better prio, but there is a target count where havoc is substantially better prio
lucid olive
Think the only constant is fdk, pwarr and havoc
lucid olive
Then resto sham with hunter or resto druid with ele
upper anvil
Arcane mage is lame bring back fire mage
lucid olive
You need a shaman with fdk
loud kettle
Mage is lame
lucid olive
Skyfury is absurd on that spec
upper anvil
True
copper dagger
Arcane mage is lame bring back fire mage
plssss
urban crescent
Skyfury is crazy for melee comp
upper anvil
But fire the best of all 3
round field
Delete mage
upper anvil
Arcane isnt
round field
Let it rot
upper anvil
I agree
round field
Blizzard love child
upper anvil
Nah thats pallys
upper anvil
But but they cried and locked discord and instantly 5%
jaunty blaze
urban crescent
Im not gonna lie im not confident blizzard cared about that
urban crescent
My crackpot theory is they already had a 5% in the works
It was just great timing
loud kettle
Crackpot?
urban crescent
The boomkin 5% straight after the wowhead post also seems to be coincidence since people were complaining about boomkin for a while
lofty depot
wow good theory
loud kettle
Isn't that just obviously what happened
upper anvil
Interesting timing alright. No hot fixes after race till pallys cried
urban crescent
I am a moron so it was not obvious to me
sinful surge
I read that as "I am a moron so it was obvious ot me"
urban crescent
upper anvil
I've been dabbling with fereal and its been kinda fun ngl
urban crescent
Feral is very fun
urban crescent
Press primal wrath press brutal slash press rake with proc press thrash for blood talons
In aoe
urban crescent
Pooling in m+
upper anvil
Is to much from my tiny boomie brain
loud kettle
Damage is cheeks besides some 30m bursts
Thats just how feral is
loud kettle
if you want any sort of sustain you gotta play wildstalker (your burst will notably suffer)
upper anvil
Again I just started playing with it so idk
I want to see numbers
Meters goes brrrr
urban crescent
I dont even think abiut snapshotting i just get a weakaura that tells me what % my new bleed will be and dont reapply unless its in pandemic
Weakaura spec
upper anvil
Ye i just gotta get good at all that. Shouldn't be too rough or long
urban crescent
Also track bloodtalon builders it makes it very easy
Tab target apply rake if u have a sudden ambush proc
upper anvil
Its a lot more enjoyable to see the burst in dps then boomie since yoy have to dot everything with moonfire
urban crescent
Idk i feel like dotting as boomy became a lot more chill when i got a plater mod that changes colour based on dots
Idk if they are nuking that in midnight tho
upper anvil
Its chill. My plater just shows the dot. But its still ramping. Yoy need to dot everything before popping foe and cds etc
And if you're playing with nukes your dos suffers a bit etc
urban crescent
I never felt like it was ever a hugr deal, esp with elunes chosen
You still do dmg while dotting
upper anvil
I mean frost dk shows up presses cds and instantly 60m dps
urban crescent
Yeah well thats just most melee specs
urban crescent
Druid is not the spec for that
upper anvil
True
urban crescent
I swapped to evoker recently and holy shit
upper anvil
I should reroll into edgy dk
urban crescent
Having on demand burst is bonkers
upper anvil
I miss aug
upper anvil
Give druid 5th spec make support class
loud kettle
double engulf?
urban crescent
Aug
upper anvil
Nah man Aug in s2 of df was so fun
urban crescent
With the new tier set you doubke engulf after like 5 globals and a living flame cast
If you pull threat ur tank has no hands
upper anvil
Makes no difference. I rip aggro as a boomie anyways
Whay difference would it make if im a dragon instead
urban crescent
I used to rip threat as keeper while being tank damage
Idk how the fuck that works
loud kettle
Whay difference would it make if im a dragon instead
Ur closer
urban crescent
Whay difference would it make if im a dragon instead
Undermine opener was like 50m damage in 3 globals
Lmao
upper anvil
Idk decent amount of dungeons you're kinda close to the pack
Like flood first pull you're pretty much melee ranhw
Ripping aggro and seeeinf like 8 plates turns orange is always fun
urban crescent
I also pulled threat as feral on a lot of packs
Maybe my tanks are just brain dead
Idk
upper anvil
Depends on Tanks spec it seems
urban crescent
Anyway yes if you want big upfront go fdk or dev
upper anvil
I've seen some crazy dps form them
Man I don't wanna play dk. I wouldn't mind playing dev again but mej
urban crescent
Just get ready to fucking perish if you play dev and dont do the new opener
Dev is so fun
upper anvil
I want Aug again
urban crescent
Having so much on demand burst is crazy
urban crescent
First boss eco, first boss ara kara, being able to just delete the adds every time they come up
upper anvil
Gotta love priory burst damage
urban crescent
Its crazy
upper anvil
Idk how i went from coming back to the game as a warrior to a boomie tbh
2 vastly different playatyles
upper anvil
Nothing really you get lost and movement
Plus big deeps
Tank yelling at yoy. Maybe the healer too but meh
humble mauve
upper anvil
dam you finished a key already, time flies so quick man
humble mauve
lmfao