thats what i did every fight
#balance
round field
eager raft
thanks man
round field
so 2 on pull 1 on 2 min
eager raft
i will just peep ur log
round field
and 2 on 4 min
eager raft
roger that
round field
(i dont play nexus king)
eager raft
is cotti on it
lofty depot
depends on fight time bud
eager raft
shut up man
lofty depot
stupid hunter
eager raft
true
lofty depot
im him
eager raft
ok teach me to play
lucid olive
fraudtic
plain tree
Pretty sure I did 2121 and was in CA when it died for nexus
lucid olive
what does my tier set do
spawns a goat that lasts for 10 sec and when the goat disappears your 2 next starsurge casts do big dam
eager raft
Pretty sure I did 2121 and was in CA when it died for nexus
and on the 2 ones i do the convoke then re-CA thing
?
plain tree
Yeah
lofty depot
and on the 2 ones i do the convoke then re-CA thing
u convoke every ca
eager raft
everything else the same i assume
smoky sage
btw. why do we cast moonfire in our opener if we use trees before CDs again ? wont trees moonfire for us? or is that bad now somwhow ?
lofty depot
on the 2s, u send 2nd ca after convoke
plain tree
Just send 2nd convoke into dragon after oath breaker
lofty depot
btw. why do we cast moonfire in our opener if we use trees before CDs again ? wo...
cuz tres are slow
ur first surges wont have moonfire on boss
plain tree
Then your next double is amp
smoky sage
aahhh makes sense ok
eager raft
ok ez
plain tree
Glgl
eager raft
thanks goat im gonna pop off
lucid olive
yur 2 min CDs you send on pull, when the dragon lands after p1, on amp and in p3 as fight is about to end
careful that your convoke doesn't hit salad bar during the amp
so outrange him when hitting the dragon
plain tree
Just stand other side of the boss and hope your healers heal you 
lucid olive
holding out hope
normal pilot
are we calling it goat now
plain tree
Ye I was getting railed idk
lofty depot
we got cats, dogs, and goats
normal pilot
catto doggo goatto?
lofty depot
yeayeayea
lucid olive
yeah
when they make dryad the new hero talent points
we need goot cat procs, good dog procs and good goat procs
eager raft
whats better sin stain pendent or big momma
lofty depot
saladbar neck good too
eager raft
big momma for raid
thank u
vital hound
Pretty sure I did 2121 and was in CA when it died for nexus
i think 2122 is play depending on timers
thats what rec played
lofty depot
have to get like 730 timer
vital hound
lofty depot
ye
vital hound
ye
plain tree
Idk ours was 7:31 but was hard to gauge our kill time so I sent 21211 and it died during last set
stone ledge
so outrange him when hitting the dragon
Is there really any damage going out there minus the insta kill claws?
plain tree
Yeah the intermission slaps
stone ledge
Sounds like I’m staying with the group til reclear and ethically parse then
plain tree
im planning to 2122 and then adjust
You probs don’t get the third double with the 3% buff next week
lofty depot
Is there really any damage going out there minus the insta kill claws?
he meant for convoke
so u outrange it so ur damage doesnt go into immune target
plain tree
I’ll be hatewatching
plain tree
Nah dimmy prog, but pulls end quick
stone ledge
We should start progging king tn after we reclear fract and finish up soul hunters
vital hound
Nah dimmy prog, but pulls end quick
worldly oxide
Hello 🙂 I'm currently hitting dummies just doing the rotation but whenever I use 2nd CA it only gives me 10s duration instead of the 12s, the first CA works as expected and gives me 12s. Am I being stupid or why does it do that?
normal pilot
pvp dummy
worldly oxide
Does the pvp dummy reduce the CA duration? Crazy ^^
cloud citrus
if someone in pvp hits the kelpfist kelp now becomes pvp
spice swallow
just double checking, for the optimization in the pin it means we should CA after the 1st one expires right
lofty depot
no, u ca after convoke
spice swallow
oh i see
iron chasm
im planning to 2122 and then adjust
Yeah been looking into it for Monday when my guild starts prog on it and I reckon I’ll go 2122 too
Can imagine a first kill is hella slow anyway (hopefully)
unkempt tree
what is this for?
lucid olive
the delve trinket
hollow ravine
Hey did there used to be a talent that made you unable to go into solar eclipse? I swear that used to be a talent but I can't find it anymore. I feel like I'm going crazy
lofty depot
its in elunes chosen, lunar calling
exotic perch
ok why is my skyriding fucked up
its like going up always now wtf is going on
i cant turn down
lofty depot
its like going up always now wtf is going on
relog
exotic perch
using a mount then back fixed it
delicate perch
its just a fun druid bug
class feature*
dense steeple
TRUE
exotic perch
ye holy fuck this is awful
dreamy cove
bug never happend to me before camera quests in ecodome
exotic perch
it hit me doing oasis quests ye
dense steeple
it started happening in I think DF S2
got fixed in S3
Why is frost allowed to exist
cloud lion
its like going up always now wtf is going on
Its a bug with daily in oasis, when u do quest to spray bees or any other animal. Than it happens for fly form.
lucid olive
Its a bug with daily in oasis, when u do quest to spray bees or any other animal...
i thought it was the zone tbh
its always the stormsong quest
lmao
warm briar
Why is frost allowed to exist
It’s just blizzard jebaiting dks before they drop the nerfhammer in midnight
upper anvil
dropping the hammer when turbo drops in 4 weeks
flat rapids
how do u sim for m+ ?
lofty depot
read the faq in the compendium
novel stream
Hey all, quick question: flask of alchemical chaos or tempered mastery?
round field
Chaos
lofty depot
sim it >
normal pilot
don't give in to big sim
royal zenith
But.. but..
novel stream
Chaos gives more mastery than mastery flask
That's true but it's not flat! Did not know I can sim that, is there an option in raidbots? Cant find it! 🙁
round field
You can choose which flask it runs where the aditional options are at the bottom
jaunty blaze
If you have default its automatically chaos flask you sim with
lofty depot
That's true but it's not flat! Did not know I can sim that, is there an option i...
u can go to advanced tab, copy your sim into it, then under that copy w.e. flasks u want to test
dim solar
Was watching Krona yesterday, and he was talking about playing Goldrinn instead of Rattle in keys. Is that some new tech?
delicate perch
if he was talking about it wouldn't that have explained it 
dim solar
He didn't expand on it unfortunately
lofty depot
assumption being that because starfall is ass, he wants to try it not costing less
delicate perch
ya
lofty depot
so he can spam more starfires in cds
delicate perch
more starfires
lofty depot
and the surges from the ec tierset proc goldrinn
delicate perch
that's kinda based actually
dim solar
That actually makes sense. Gotta give it a try.
lofty depot
that's kinda based actually
we recruited a tank that spams m+
he has asked me to push with him
what i do
delicate perch
m+ push pre fun with squad you like
lofty depot
hm
delicate perch
our tank is perma retired so I think my minigame arc is well dead
lofty depot
gotta find a mage :/
delicate perch
dim solar
we recruited a tank that spams m+
Probably best rng you can get in the game. Good tanks don't exist.
delicate perch
real
lofty depot
who said he was good
delicate perch
dim solar
who said he was good
Copium
jaunty blaze
errant flint
livid jay
actually had best in slot soul hunter prog for me yesterday
was on vacation for a week, before that only had like 3 test pulls, yesterday im back in and 3 pulls in we kill it, first time ive seen p3 and second time ive seen p2 xD
if u dont have any jobs the fight is so piss
safe egret
Which belt am I supposed to use ? They all seem shit for EC player
jaunty blaze
Delve belt until nerf
lyric kettle
our tank is perma retired so I think my minigame arc is well dead
time for augmentrune to rise
safe egret
Delve belt until nerf
For sure am doing that, just thinking of which one to farm to have it ready
jaunty blaze
You could craft one
safe egret
I have my crafted staff, outside of that I don't know anything about crafting since I'm brand new to the game. Can you make a 720 haste mastery one?
jaunty blaze
You can yes
You want a secondary embellishment anyway
Assuming you have ascendance on your staff you would want another craft with writhing armor banding
jaunty blaze
It doubles your ascension effect
safe egret
That actually work on a belt instead of something else? And when would i replace the staff and belt if ever?
jaunty blaze
It works on any piece of armor
Usually you want it on low stat budget pieces
So bracers cloak belt
Cloak is out this season
humble mauve
I'm awefully confused why sims still wants my haste/mastery centric
jaunty blaze
So ideally bracer or belt
lofty depot
I'm awefully confused why sims still wants my haste/mastery centric
post sim
fossil hemlock
Just post sim now so we can correct what ever you might have missed for the original one
safe egret
What else would they want instead?
jaunty blaze
😳
fossil hemlock
What else would they want instead?
Saying they're confused about haste means they're probably kotg which doesn't want haste at all right now
safe egret
Oh I'm playing ec, I hate convoke
So that's what he might've missed
Side note: is ec fine on raids too or is it that much of a detriment?
fossil hemlock
I mean... it's behind for sure, but what's your goal?
safe egret
Idk, trying out the whole game. So everything
lofty depot
casting starfire is cringe
fossil hemlock
Sounds like not mythic for now
Last I checked (which was a while ago) EC isn't so far behind that you can't play it if you really prefer it
But it is noticeably behind
safe egret
I see
Would that mean I should get like a second set of gear or try to mix some crit in or what
fossil hemlock
Yeah right now you ideally want 2 sets of gear for balance
lofty depot
right now i just change neck and rings
if i actually push, i would change some stuff
likely craft bracers and oh again
for other stats
timber sphinx
on the kotg opener, you should consume the 4pc charges in a new CA (even if the old ca would still last). it makes i huge difference in sim anybody knows why? Could not figgure it out 😄
fossil hemlock
It builds towards the second CA 2 big surges
timber sphinx
ah i thought you basically reach the cap anyway - but that is not the case then
fossil hemlock
It's also for other things like BOAT
timber sphinx
right that makes sense, i searched for CA in the Talents - could not find much.
thanks
maiden pasture
ah i thought you basically reach the cap anyway - but that is not the case then
The reason reaching the cap is so easy in the first is because your trinket (forge normally) hasn't decayed so is v powerful and you use convoke, I'm not 100% certain but without trees + trinket and just a natty CA I think it's hard to reach the cap, which is why you send double CA. If you could reach the cap without needing the previous dryad surges it may (feelycraft here) have been more optimal to delay 2nd CA till 2nd trees. Unsure how the maths works out with stuff like BOAT value tho
pallid bay
was looking at my fractillus and my first surges does like ~4.5M each
cap is ~40-50M
so you would need full 10 seconds or some crits to fill pool up without convoke
fossil hemlock
That's assuming your only damage is starsurge
timber sphinx
👀
sudden flame
pseudo merlin
hmm yes
pallid bay
be gone picture!
timber sphinx
need to test with lust in raid, on dummy i can not get it gapped without the overlap
harsh jungle
Is there a wa to see how much dmg you have pooled?
steel charm
race change from troll to nelf for pushing m+ keys?
dire osprey
race change to dwarf frost dk
timber sphinx
Is there a wa to see how much dmg you have pooled?
not that I know of any
sudden flame
right now i just change neck and rings
we both got dethroned yesterday
and bros not even padding they genuinely did 500k more boss damage than me lmao
sudden flame
I was the padder.....
pallid bay
we both got dethroned yesterday
3 PI + more procs + good rng
sudden flame
maiden pasture
quiet drift
You always could proc more, pad harder
maiden pasture
cant believe you @wise hare ..........
quiet drift
Old man cant use pc
maiden pasture
roulette 4fun not a man of your word
cosmic pollen
regarding the latest pin about the opener, do I just macro CA and treants together for the Bl opener macro?
maiden pasture
no
because on the 2nd set, you want to delay trees still by 2 globals
you only trees with CA when you are using 2x CA together
if you only have 1, you play like we did before
cosmic pollen
aaaaah, wait
so now in the opener we use CA back to back?
without waiting for 2nd charge of treants?
maiden pasture
yes thats been a thing since we got the new 4pc
the most recent change to the opener is that you trees before CA and use the 2nd charge after convoke ends
cosmic pollen
more crit too for treants I suppose
*more crit for dryad
so on the 2 minute mark I just play as usual, CA, 2 surges, treants
maiden pasture
this gives more boat value for convoke, and more trinket value for 2nd dryad surge
maiden pasture
so on the 2 minute mark I just play as usual, CA, 2 surges, treants
yes
maiden pasture
if you will not gain another convoke, it is worth to hold, its a lot more than "a bit" though to wait
lusty anvil
Is it still KOTG on lower key and Elune in higher or what ever now ?
cosmic pollen
btw my gear's full crit/mast/vers right now and I only got like 8%haste. For m+ (i'm just doing weeklies) should i go Kotg, elune or just switch to feral?
maiden pasture
Is it still KOTG on lower key and Elune in higher or what ever now ?
lower keys it doesnt matter, personal recommendation is alwys play elune. You might do a bit less dam but it wont make a big difference and kotg is just more cognitive load for no reason just press starfire time key
maiden pasture
btw my gear's full crit/mast/vers right now and I only got like 8%haste. For m+ ...
its weeklies it wont matter play whatever
lusty anvil
lower keys it doesnt matter, personal recommendation is alwys play elune. You mi...
ok thanks mate
steel charm
is there like a cheatsheet what you can shadowmeld in s3 dungeons?
sinful surge
Bah
delicate perch
sinful surge
Healers adjust
delicate perch
highest iq bamkin
sinful surge
Wym
quiet drift
is there like a cheatsheet what you can shadowmeld in s3 dungeons?
Just get a spells on you WA and u can meld like 90% of the stuff trash casts at you
In lower keys just meld when getting targeted by 2+ spells
steel charm
I was also thinking like bosses? Can you meld off giga zap from floodgate e.g.?
cause that shit starts hurting
delicate perch
sadly not
always just try meld stuff though, sometimes works but bosses can be a lil funky
steel charm
thanks I'll play around with it
maiden pasture
The only 1 i know is priory maul on dailcru
😭 bro u can meld like any cast on you
delicate perch
I think their only m+ experience is literally just that boss somehow
sinful surge
I thought the question was mechanics, not regular casts
Like you can interrupt that ability bu melding
sinful surge
I was also thinking like bosses? Can you meld off giga zap from floodgate e.g.?
Which seems they were asking about with this follow up
steel charm
aimed past the mobs?
fossil hemlock
You cast it, mob dies, it doesn't hit
humble mauve
oh
fossil hemlock
Ngl I assumed he was EC and the split surges count, didn't look at the damage breakdown
round field
Sussy
delicate perch
is it not just the dryad surges
dire osprey
casts and hits switched places in ur details? 
maybe if u havel ogs
u can see more
logs*
round field
is it not just the dryad surges
Those are separate below no?
delicate perch
ya but details is funny
delicate perch
looking at my fract log I have way more hits than casts too
dire osprey
missing that many seems almost impossible so surely something fishy is going on
delicate perch
just a funny lil numbers game
humble mauve
I can't find any logs from post sep 10
so I'm gonna log this key and see if anythign fishy
or if details being weird
fossil hemlock
looking at my fract log I have way more hits than casts too
More hits than casts is normal because of convoke, more casts than hits should not be normal
Unless I was right and the guy just kept sending surges into mobs at 0.1% health the whole dungeon
delicate perch
convoke isn't enough to make up the difference though
it's just details/logs doing silly things with same spells
it's like 44 surges that hit that weren't cast
devout hazel
it's like 44 surges that hit that weren't cast
isn't that just gonna be the EC tier set? sorry if that was already said i havent followd the whole conversation
delicate perch
they are playing keeper and so was the log I looked at for raid
devout hazel
huh thats odd
grim hull
which class wa pack do you prefer? i am scrolling through wago but its hard for me to find some that are not chinese and/or weirdly layouted/super stretched.
round field
Oi
ionic surge
Oi 100%
grim hull
thank you
craggy sonnet
regarding the latest pin about the opener, do I just macro CA and treants togeth...
So just to clarify you also want to use trees the gcd before you CA surge. Macroing them together makes you lose out on boat value
grim hull
oi has only dps (balance/feral) do i see that right?
ionic surge
Yea
delicate perch
probably ya
pallid bay
ye
humble mauve
okay so it makes sense when looking at logs
I guess when you cast starsurge from 4p it counts the splash as missed hits?
covert talon
Question : So I did a fast 10 today and after the run I saw that I only had 36% uptime on the antenna buff (tank was running wild chainpulling everything) So do you think in lower keys were the mobs dies so fast and well the "orbs" from the antenna trinket travel so slow you get more out from swopping out antenna to Azhiccaran trinket?
delicate perch
you can sim with a % of missed orbs
but assuming you're playing ec you'd most likely not want antenna
covert talon
yeah EC
jade flume
Man i legit hate anyone that was involved in forcing auto dubbing on youtube
What a garbage ass feature that i cant even turn off
gritty granite
You can install a browser extension or use a script with tampermonkey to auto disable it.
ebon sail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/577EcfjfrXMN4NehzRFvnA
I had thought that I'm meant to be aiming for haste/mastery where possible for ST and M+, but this sim says otherwise. Have our stat weight changed? I've currently got 8% crit, 23% haste, 24% mastery, 14% vers. I figured it was just that my crit is low in comparison.
delicate perch
stat weights are insanely fake but haste is quite bad for keeper
lofty depot
If you don't want to have 2 sets of gear / farm it, wearing. Haste + mastery will be better for both rather than mastery + Crit/vers which just feels terrible for ec
But yea, keeper doesn't like haste
And as cavey as said, stat weights are labeled as "legacy" for a reason, stop using it as a justification
ebon sail
I don't mind doing a bit of farming across the season. I currently only raid HC, and I'm running keys around +10, so nothing high end.
lofty depot
I have swaps for neck and rings
ebon sail
So potentially aim for a haste/mastery and crit/mastery or vers/mastery neck and same for rings?
paper ember
Yeah for M+ you want haste mastery. For Raid you want crit, mastery, vers. You can sim droptimizer what items would be best based on the gear you already have.
craggy sonnet
Question : So I did a fast 10 today and after the run I saw that I only had 36% ...
Why do you care what you wear in a fast 10?
lofty depot
So potentially aim for a haste/mastery and crit/mastery or vers/mastery neck and...
Rings kinda iff
U want mastery and Crit/vers to be equal which is around 10-11k with current margins
But sim your gear and robot tells u
craggy sonnet
So potentially aim for a haste/mastery and crit/mastery or vers/mastery neck and...
Ye, you looking at hoa neck vs flood neck. And hoa + eco ring vs dawn/psf + first boss raid ring
Mainly
nimble forge
What about crafted ones?
ebon sail
Yeah for M+ you want haste mastery. For Raid you want crit, mastery, vers. You c...
Thank you.
nimble forge
I have rings + neck crafted
ebon sail
Rings kinda iff
Thank you.
craggy sonnet
Sure, you can craft
ebon sail
Ye, you looking at hoa neck vs flood neck. And hoa + eco ring vs dawn/psf + firs...
Thank you.
nimble forge
haste + mastery works both bear + doomkin
craggy sonnet
But like, it's only gonna help you with one of your sets
craggy sonnet
haste + mastery works both bear + doomkin
Yea, well.. not in raid
nimble forge
I'm not raiding , just LFR so it works well enough for me
lofty depot
I have rings + neck crafted
I have crafted staff, so crafting ring and neck isn't possible. Also crafting bracer was better because of writhing band
nimble forge
Mostly openworld and delves as tank
jaunty blaze
Yeah well its good enough then for sure
ebon sail
Cheers, I'll keep farming rings for the time being now then.
For my legs, I currently have myth HOA legs, or I can cata, should I stick with the haste/mastery or cata and go off-tier shoulders instead?
lofty depot
M+ I think legs are better off piece and raid is shoulder
craggy sonnet
And rings/neck are less good crafts
Actually not true if you are missing correct statted ones, I think.
Can be a big swing
nimble forge
isnt it embellishments that restrict the amount you can use?
lofty depot
But the diff doesn't matter. People play 5tiwr set some times
ebon sail
I crafted staff and then bracers. Next was going to be belt/ring or neck.
lofty depot
Well no
craggy sonnet
isnt it embellishments that restrict the amount you can use?
You are restricted in the sparks to craft and crests
wicked shuttle
Actually not true if you are missing correct statted ones, I think.
Can be a big...
Surely upgrading your off tier piece to myth track would normally be better?
lofty depot
U can craft neck, 2 rings, bracer, belt, weapon, boots(technically), and off piece
nimble forge
mean the amount you can equip, worded that badly
wicked shuttle
Slamming binding of binding on a low value slot just sounds really bad
lofty depot
mean the amount you can equip, worded that badly
Again no
jaunty blaze
But you can only have 2 embellishments
craggy sonnet
Surely upgrading your off tier piece to myth track would normally be better?
Uhhm.. I think if you were to go from say 704 hoa neck to 720 mast crit it's a big gain
nimble forge
yea, wa thinking same, tier in all major slots and 710 weapon so i think i'm fine
lofty depot
Correct, but u can craft w.e.
lofty depot
Uhhm.. I *think* if you were to go from say 704 hoa neck to 720 mast crit it's a...
The diff in necks from hast vers to Crit vers for keeper wasn't that much for me (I wore the wrong neck when we went to kill fractilly) then simmed it cuz was curious
craggy sonnet
The diff in necks from hast vers to Crit vers for keeper wasn't that much for me...
Same ilvl tho, right?
lofty depot
Yes
But obviously 20 ilvls and correct stated is different
But yea, generally speaking. Unless it's like the embell neck we wear that was goated. I just am never crafting jewelry before weapon and like bracer/boot
Go farm >
wicked shuttle
I swear the Strat is craft off piece tier
lofty depot
Loomithar > go farm
jaunty blaze
Dunno im kinda thinking of crafting shoulders next aswell
wicked shuttle
Might not be the best long term, but it’ll be the best for like the first 6 weeks or whatever
lofty depot
I do have to find new shoulders... Hmm
Is Kris big dam in AOE....
Do I need to craft OH
jaunty blaze
I have fractillus off hand
craggy sonnet
But yea, generally speaking. Unless it's like the embell neck we wear that was g...
ye, i was mostly talking 3rd craft ofc
lofty depot
I've gotten too many good vaults
craggy sonnet
Is Kris big dam in AOE....
no?
lofty depot
I'm due to not get anything
craggy sonnet
go get your soulbinder staff
jaunty blaze
Yuck
lofty depot
Trueee
craggy sonnet
I swear the Strat is craft off piece tier
wcyd .. shoulders dropping every week
couldnt dodge em if i wanted to
craggy sonnet
you cant
lofty depot
In 2.5 u surely can
craggy sonnet
ok
lofty depot
Crafted helm, holy
craggy sonnet
in 2.5 you can just natty craft
lofty depot
Huh
craggy sonnet
yea .. just simmed going from 704 tier to 720 crafted shoulders vs 704 HOA neck to 720 crafted. neck comes out on top
jade flume
Man next week will be sad, no raid vault to open
I do need 2 more sockets still though
jaunty blaze
😭
jaunty blaze
That would be nice indeed
lofty depot
I wish you could extend, but then just kill bosses anyways
Just do the skip 🙂
lofty depot
Plex to saladbar ezpz
craggy sonnet
first 3 is like 30mins
lofty depot
Can u do skip then go to fractilly?
jaunty blaze
No backtrack
lofty depot
Hm
jade flume
You can do skip but you have to kill nexus king
Which can be 10mins or 2 hours
Which made no sense in grand scheme of tings
jaunty blaze
I mean why not like undermine where you could skip to either hoc or mug
jade flume
And gear is irrelevant after prog so anything but extend is detrimental
lofty depot
Tell that to my nexus king command
haughty moon
For Araz do you bother dotting the small ads that come out? We do talent into twin moons and kindling and some of the later sets do live long enough but others are like very borderline for dotting. I assume we starfall either way?
jaunty blaze
Sunfire and trees
lofty depot
Sunfire, otherwise no
We talent into twin moons and kindling but not for that
I Starfall cuz of echo damage, not cuz of the adds.
haughty moon
Okay that’s sounds like my idea too then
haughty moon
Im still enter solar as well
lofty depot
Yea, Starfire is beans
haughty moon
Okay cool. I just wanted to check. Because they are to prio for dam I’m not sure if doing that is griefing
haughty moon
Lorrgs also shows that we delay 2 min burst to line up with damage amp phase. Does that mean on intermission we just triple dot and starfall? If the ride is dying in the intermission, it would be better to split a CA out to push it?
lofty depot
Also, u do giga amp dam
haughty moon
Oh okay
lofty depot
Soooooo, I was sending CA at like 320-325 ish depending on health of the collectors
Which then the dryad buff was still up during amp
This helped st down 1 collector that was behind usually
But I understand people not doing it
haughty moon
Kinda what percentage is that for you usually?
lofty depot
15-10
haughty moon
Okay thank you
lofty depot
And u can Starfall for cap very easily
3 collectors, 1 echo, 2 attendant.
2 starfalls and ur capped
humble mauve
Ayy I finally hit 4m on sims
now to actually do that
do you typically only get 1 double CA window in a fight?
haughty moon
I think I get 2 normally
humble mauve
How?
haughty moon
Ya you can estimate fight length from previous kill
Sometimes it dies too fast and I miss dryad surges so maybe the double is too risky. Doesn’t matter too much I think if it dies either way
leaden birch
so hows kotg in dungeons
leaden birch
I've been meaning to try it out
upper anvil
You know better volvo
leaden birch
yeah but like
i was just gonna try it in a 10 lol
10s are already so boring and zzz
leaden birch
prio dmg 
upper anvil
Overall dps gonna go so down
upper anvil
Idk. I don't like aoe as keeper in raid. Can't imagine in keys
leaden birch
ye i hate aoe keeper in raid too
pallid bay
whats a starfall at 800% efficacy look like anyways
its not actually 800%
leaden birch
my brain always shuts off when I have to aoe as keeper i dunno why
upper anvil
Cause its just bad
leaden birch
its not actually 800%
are you telling me the tier set tooltip is lying?
pallid bay
not quite
leaden birch
upper anvil
Normally things die to quick and its not worth doing aoe smh
pallid bay
its only 800%
no other modifiers
no eclipse, boat, waning etc etc
might not even be 800% tbh i havnt even looked at it
normal pilot
i guess technically 800% is correct and normal starfall has a bunch of hidden 'incorrect' mods
so it replaces all the hidden modes with the displayed 800%
normal starfall can go up to something lke 16x i think
so 8x would be half a fully buffed starfall
hexed vault
man I can feel the boomy buff! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bxcGWVtGjJ8pgaZ2epZ4Ec
I wish I had the boots tho, I've never seen the leather boots drop in heroic yet. I hate this
lofty depot
Cosmos and umbral inspiration switched for sotf and crashing
U'll be even stronger
hexed vault
Switch as of this week?
Because I compared both last week and this was higher for me
hexed vault
Ima rerun it now
lofty depot
Nooooo, show the sim
hexed vault
Its loooading
lofty depot
How is a week old sim loading, hmm
lofty depot
Press the 3 bars at the top
hexed vault
ah true
lofty depot
Or press Ctrl + h
hexed vault
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a6b67Eox4dvNarC9KLgkv6 yea its a .2% diff
upper anvil
Artic 6m yet?
lofty depot
Uhhh if I sim a 0 variance 440 sim 🙂
lofty depot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a6b67Eox4dvNarC9KLgkv6 yea its a .2% diff
Ur still simming weekly btw
hexed vault
Ah, ima rerun it after work then
lofty depot
Crafting ring seems sus
hexed vault
Dont judge 
lofty depot
I'm judging
jaunty blaze
thats the point
upper anvil
Crafted ring
leaden birch
we get next spark on reset right
jaunty blaze
yes
leaden birch
this week was cata?
jaunty blaze
yes
leaden birch
what yall crafting
jaunty blaze
shoulders probably
upper anvil
Man what should I craft
jaunty blaze
but gotta see what vault offers me
hexed vault
Man what should I craft
Join the dark side of the Ring
upper anvil
Crafted shoulders
lofty depot
this week was cata?
Correct
leaden birch
I'm thinking neck
jaunty blaze
what are we huhing
lofty depot
Might craft oh, haven't decided
upper anvil
I was thinking neck but I have bloodstained
leaden birch
Might craft oh, haven't decided
as long as I have a spark ready to go for when dinars drop
I'll craft OH then
upper anvil
Kinda happy with my stats atm tho. Antenna gives logs of crit so I don't need more crit. I have decent verse snd mastery ofc
upper anvil
794 ofc itd be good
leaden birch
is it
upper anvil
Lmao
lofty depot
But spending said gilded again is sus
jaunty blaze
got mainhand from hardmode and oh from frac so i can craft shoulders and slam dusk/dawntread on them and wrists
nice upgrade
jaunty blaze
it is what it is
jaunty blaze
wdym 704
lofty depot
Show
jaunty blaze
i mean yeah ofc it is compared to 720 2hand
leaden birch
he said it's better though
lofty depot
No I meant the oh
jaunty blaze
you lose a load of stats
lofty depot
Also wrong enchant
leaden birch
ye no idea why my ench choices reverted back to just depths
leaden birch
No I meant the oh
im still confused
lofty depot
Smh
Idk it might have changed from 3 weeks ago, I haven't done the sim. But when originally it was better
leaden birch
kris @ 710 is .7% loss for me
dire osprey
back then it simmed even for me
so can imagine it can sim higher depending on ur gear
upper anvil
Get with the times you boomers
lofty depot
kris @ 710 is .7% loss for me
Maybe Skrill issue
dire osprey
i got a 1h from vault anyway so it was out of question after that
leaden birch
Maybe Skrill issue
lofty depot
Searching thru sim on phone is cringe maybe find during lunch
Hmm, that is curious
Guess I don't craft oh
lucid olive
Idk it might have changed from 3 weeks ago, I haven't done the sim. But when ori...
The sim was with 704 bracers, hc Kris and 720 offhand vs 720 staff and 681 bracers
Cause it was comparing with only using 2 sparks, but after people got 3rd spark the staff craft will be better
sonic crag
Do u take the weapon enchant that sims best for you? (incl. raid renown buff)
lofty depot
Why would I take one that Sims worse
sonic crag
Just previous remarks to it from reading up
Stonebound 0.6% ahead of Depths, didnt realize it was a gain up to now
pure ST*
jaunty blaze
depths isnt that good anymore
secondary stat enchants will sim better most of the time
lofty depot
Stonebound and council were better before the renown food thing
sonic crag
Didnt help I forgot to hand in the quest for the buff until after raid (:
lofty depot
Gotta come prepared to raid
jaunty blaze
who would do that
lofty depot
How else am I gonna parse if I don't have buffs people don't have
sonic crag
I did a full heroic just to get it pre-raid
lofty depot
I slam lfr 🙂
sonic crag
oh and to get Forge trinket (finally)
Surges went up by 4M compared to Living Flame
What do you sim rn Garyeet?
undone grove
For a few short seconds with Araz trinket I do feel good bros
lofty depot
What do you sim rn Garyeet?
Like real dimmy or fake simmy
sonic crag
do u prefer real or fake
sonic crag
When I still used Living Flame, Myth Araz was 110k for me 😐
lofty depot
I have 717 boots and the 710 boots are I think 0.7% upgrade
Think I don't craft next week hmm
Have to use gilded on better pieces, then craft in 11.2.5
Could be a neck craft I suppose
devout hazel
have any of yall tried messing around with stellar amp instead of mushrooms, i saw krona was using it in some keys but idk how to feel about it yet
for minigame, not raid
lucid olive
Doesn't sound very good
Mushrooms are good for saturating Waning Twilight uptime
Without it all you have is Smolder
devout hazel
i simmed the 2 buidls against eachother, and it looks like they're borderline sim variance levels of different
lucid olive
Did you sim that on ST or in a dungeon route sim
Stellar Amp is primarily a ST talent so it will naturally sim well there
devout hazel
so i made an oopsy when i simmed, i accidentally simmed the same build twice LOL so it looked like sim variance
lucid olive
If you wanna sim different talents you should use a dungeon route sim for the most accurate answer
lucid olive
so i made an oopsy when i simmed, i accidentally simmed the same build twice LOL...
Yeah I've done that
You can also open the talent box on top gear and click "generate combinations" at the bottom and then unselect different talents and the sim will give you the highest dps combination of the talent points you freed
With talent sims I usually do that on like 5-6 different builds at a time
lofty depot
"most accurate answer"
devout hazel
If you wanna sim different talents you should use a dungeon route sim for the mo...
how do you sim the dungeon route again, i can't remember
lucid olive
FAQ in compendium
devout hazel
on the dungeon route sims, stellar amp does like 80k less overall for 50k st gain
round field
In other words
Balance tree has some absolutely worthless nodes and it doesnt matter what you pick as long as you have the core
lucid olive
lucid olive
From a design perspective you can call that meaningful choice
Like when I simmed talents during PTR and active Wild Mushroom were simming higher than other options on an APL that never actually pressed the ability
Means that wasting a talent point was better than taking a passive talent in the middle of the tree
And then I made the APL actually press the button and it simmed worse
compact rose
hey guys, how to play on araz, i watch multiple kill videos now and they most of the time in solar but using starfall...shouldnt we always be in lunar when adds spawn ?
lofty depot
u dont need to be in lunar to use starfall
and starfall isnt only hitting the manifestations but also the echo
also ur getting few globals of starfires on said adds
compact rose
but when echo alive should we be in lunar and starfall or solar and starfall?
lofty depot
ur only in lunar if ur spamming starfire
compact rose
okay ty
compact rose
aye ty
so basically if we only lunar when we can spam starfire, it should be never cause adds die super quickly? like in 4-5sec
paper ember
Camp lunar when the multiple add spawns are coming out. Should be able to get 1 or 2 starfires on them and use ap on starfall.
lofty depot
so basically if we only lunar when we can spam starfire, it should be never caus...
if the adds die super quickly
the difference in 3 starfires in lunar
rather than just spamming wrath into boss
formal crest
I have melee pad mongoloids who tear them up so I just focus boss every time
lofty depot
yea im not in lunar ever
paper ember
Maybe my melee are just bad then... lol cause I can usually get 2-3 starfires off before ads die
midnight bough
How is balance after the last resets buffs been played with ?
formal crest
Feels good to me
lofty depot
How is balance after the last resets buffs been played with ?
like 5% better
formal crest
But I enjoy the spec either way so
round field
Camp lunar when the multiple add spawns are coming out. Should be able to get 1 ...
if u enter lunar in raid ur trolling
unless ur fighting soul hunters then its allowed
gentle scroll
Benched for Araz prog 
round field
no trinket for u
gentle scroll
Already have heroic 
round field
loser
eager raft
Hey iqni I played pretty good on nexus king last night thanks for the coaching
round field
Hey iqni I played pretty good on nexus king last night thanks for the coaching
good job king
im proud of you
lofty depot
Already have heroic <:shrug:786019307652907040>
mythic can be like 100k inc
lofty depot
wowhead is a basic guide, dreamgrove.gg is more advanced
paper ember
if u enter lunar in raid ur trolling
So you're not supposed to starfire manifestations on araz? You just wrath boss and dot/starfall them?
lean saffron
Ok. What hero talents is everyone using now
round field
So you're not supposed to starfire manifestations on araz? You just wrath boss a...
yes...
round field
Ok. What hero talents is everyone using now
ec m+ keeper raid
except soul hunters which is same as ec m+
eager raft
it’s criminal how bad we are on soul hunters man
lean saffron
Didn't they get perfect recently
eager raft
ec is so resident sleeper already
round field
last time we had 3 boss council fight we were turbo blasting
lean saffron
Nerfed
round field
what happened
lean saffron
Lol autocorrect
eager raft
And then I spend 30% of the fight out of range while soaking puddles
lofty depot
So you're not supposed to starfire manifestations on araz? You just wrath boss a...
manifestations arent a boomkin problem. You sunfire them and continue about your day
round field
soaker 
lucid olive
last time we had 3 boss council fight we were turbo blasting
we had pulsar then 🙁
lofty depot
if youre melee isnt killing them, theyre trolling
eager raft
soaker <:KEKWPoint:1005557649997299713>
I’m usually mm on that fight
So I get bonus range
lofty depot
r u private logging?
round field
we had pulsar then 🙁
im still waiting for them to give us an interesting talent to make up for losing pulsar
lucid olive
surely our apex talent will be bangin
eager raft
Yeah remember when everyone tried to convince me that pulsar being removed was a good thing
And then they didn’t replace it with anything engaging or good
eager raft
it should have been a good thing
round field
removing pulsar and not doing anything else
paper ember
manifestations arent a boomkin problem. You sunfire them and continue about your...
Good to know. Swear I saw some replays of boomies starfiring them in lunar. I did decent for doing it that way. Ill try camping solar next week and see how much better Ido
eager raft
But they did nothing around it
round field
was not a good fing
eager raft
Which makes it bad
devout hazel
surely our apex talent will be bangin
"every 5th moon gets empowered to be elunes moon" that'll be our apex talent 
eager raft
I do like whirling stars + cotd
round field
id be down to play moons
eager raft
Somewhat decent pulsar replacement
round field
if they delete whirling
that one week
where i had to
fit convoke moon trees dump into whirling window
like cave diver
jumping into devils asscrack
lofty depot
I do like whirling stars + cotd
remove whirling, make it IFE.... pulsar apex talent
FUCKING DO IT
eager raft
they should remove full moon
lucid olive
stellar flare and new moon are a sidegrade to your current ST talent builds btw
eager raft
new + half are great, easy to fit into whirling
Full moon is just garbage waste of time
lucid olive
they should remove full moon
they did remove full moon (the animation)
lofty depot
what if fullmoon instead was a 3s cast that filled ur asp
round field
they did remove full moon (the animation)
probably not on purpose
eager raft
The damage is still just not high enough to justify 3s cast
lucid olive
probably not on purpose
yeah big oopsie
eager raft
And it’s not like we’re hurting for asp gen
lucid olive
eager raft
so now I can’t even block peoples screen when they’re top down?
What’s the point of full moon
lucid olive
its also removed for orbit breaker and convoke procs
lucid olive
i don't, empowered casts suck
drifting nova
you mean like pulsar
eager raft
Where the different charge levels are new/half/full
drifting nova
you feed it then it autolcasts
lucid olive
i think it should be what icefury is
drifting nova
icefury procs 24/7
eager raft
That could be cool ye
lucid olive
icefury used to be a long cast and was made into a proc that stacks to 2
lucid olive
i think random procs in rotation are good as long as you react to them
random procs like dogs and cats are bad
drifting nova
sure, and chicken has none
to think I can log my shaman and do a normal dungeon as my ilvl is booty
lucid olive
but most of all they need to add a talent or interaction that incentivizes you to be spending AP
lucid olive
currently we have a plethora of talents that generate AP but you rarely play them cause there's no incentive to really be pressing your spenders outside of Starlord or movement
eager raft
should do 3x more dam
I just wish there was a node for moons where you could remove full moon from the rotation
lucid olive
Pulsar gave you a reason to keep spending and provided stat scaling like that
eager raft
So the talent can be used in ST
drifting nova
?? it's a ST ability
lucid olive
I think if the game had items with only 1 stat you'd probably play like 0 crit 0 vers 0 haste
drifting nova
it's just a shit one
drifting nova
ok but it IS a st ability
hell I didnt know it had reduced aoe until like 4years after
given it's a MOON
lucid olive
when Thanos dropped a moon it only hit Iron Man and none of the other guys
stiff maple
Doesn't it do like nothing to the splash targets though
lofty depot
Pulsar gave you a reason to keep spending and provided stat scaling like that
so did rattle maintenance buff
eager raft
old rattle my beloved
eager raft
make moons consume all asp, with a set cast time and the size of the moon is dependent on how much asp it consumes
Under 40 new moon 40-80 half moon 80+ full
But always same cast time
Thoughts?
drifting nova
too much cooking
blizzard shutting down the server
still a generational talent hater
but it'l never change at this point
lean saffron
Or get it get nerfed too much
drifting nova
I dont even want to run raid
eager raft
Feels fine to me but I have played it for exactly 3 hours this season
lean saffron
@eager raft what's ur main
eager raft
Every 4 minutes
lofty depot
Or get it get nerfed too much
it didnt get nerfed
eager raft
<@301137650428018688> what's ur main
hunter right now
drifting nova
maybe I can try get a 10 key this week idk
lean saffron
Its been nerfed several times hasn't it? Maybe not in the most recent patch
lofty depot
a month ago
eager raft
I think it’s like exclusively been buffed no?
lofty depot
sure
eager raft
Spec aura is like +30% rn
lofty depot
1.34 actually
lean saffron
Blizzard cant make up their mind on anything
eager raft
that was before the season even released
lofty depot
think theyre pretty set in making balance not good
lofty depot
that was before the season even released
correct
lean saffron
I've just seen balance is good but not like S tier anymore
stiff maple
Idk where you saw that not raid for sure
lofty depot
if u consider m+ the opinion to take on the realtive "good" level of a spec
sure
but i promise when people say boomkin is bad, not one person is talking about m+
down with the minigamers
down with the fotms
lean saffron
Not like it matters
How many ppl can play the spec to its absolute full potential anyways
quiet drift
q
craggy sonnet
Maybe my melee are just bad then... lol cause I can usually get 2-3 starfires of...
and after that you wrath boss in lunar? nice gg
quiet drift
Do u do ire soaks on soul hunter
ye
lofty depot
Big starfires tho surely
plush garden
Guys, is there a currently known bug making you do 0% crit ?
lofty depot
Sucks when I do more damage than people doing no mechanics
exotic perch
No crit is always 50/50
quiet drift
Sucks when I do more damage than people doing no mechanics
I was running around doing soaks
lofty depot
Guys, is there a currently known bug making you do 0% crit ?
Just a Skrill issue
exotic perch
Crit or you dont dont think about it too much
plush garden
0% crit SS on a full fight ?
lofty depot
I was running around doing soaks
So am.i
exotic perch
0% crit SS on a full fight ?
May have just low rolled to the lowest degree
plush garden
multiple fights in a row ?
lofty depot
Just means next pull u'll get 100
severe hollow
May have just low rolled to the lowest degree
nah willing to bet there is some bug
it has 0 crit on any spell
severe hollow
or no FoN has crit
plush garden
I've straight 0% crit on any spell multiple pulls
severe hollow
(I do think the bug is with the log tho, not the game)
plush garden
I've same results on details
paper ember
and after that you wrath boss in lunar? nice gg
No, from 1:10 to almost 3:00 there are consistent ads up. By the time one set died for our group the other set was either out or about to come out. So it just flowed from one set of ads into the next.
There was a brief time in around 1:45 to 2:00 where theres no ads where I switched back to solar to wrath boss, but then it was back into lunar for next wave of ads.
plush garden
There is definitely a bug somehwere in the game
craggy sonnet
looks like it just didnt register as crits, no?
normal pilot
did you get mc'd
craggy sonnet
oh wait
plush garden
I did 0 crit in game guys
craggy sonnet
thats a dmg amp boss
plush garden
its not a wlog issue
lofty depot
I think the French version is just fucked
severe hollow
I did 0 crit in game guys
do you have a vod?