balance

[obsidian jetty]

and your 2nd CA is at 3 stack boatish, instead of 1 or 2 iirc

would have to go look at a log

[shy bay]

are we still able to fit the tier surges into the tree window at the end?

[tacit ledge]

hii what should i get?

[delicate perch]

if you do it correctly your first tier set surges will be buffed by trees yes

the 2nd set, obviously no

[fossil hemlock]

You never could fit the 2nd set into trees

[shy bay]

i know, but im talking about the first set when we are now sending trees earlier

[delicate perch]

the early ca is part of the early trees

[fossil hemlock]

Yes that's why you cut CA short

The first CA lasts like 6 seconds now

You can see here, trees last until 6:09 ish

[obsidian jetty]

it's just more value in the treant window

higher boat, better GCDs

as well as the added higher trinket stacks as well

[shy bay]

So, with this change we are still reaching the dmg cap for tier, even though, we have less GCD? Im kinda supprised

[obsidian jetty]

the cap is very easy to reach

[shy bay]

Even after the changes?

Nvm im stupid, i was under the impression, i saw changes reducing the dps% that feeds into tset.. dont know how i got to that >_>

[obsidian jetty]

if you have say, 150k int, you have to do 50m dmg to hit cap

I did 124m dmg in my first CA before first dryad dropped

without lust or potion for this snip

[haughty sluice]

so without forge would there be a big dmg difference between new opener vs just using second CA charge with treants 30 secs later? that way both sets of set surges would be buffed by treants and we would have 2 full duration CAs

[shy bay]

Ok, so its not even close... im gonna get the tier tracking wa and will observe this a little bit more. i honestly didnt pay attention to the cap.

[jaunty blaze]

Its still an increase if you have signet/ lily as on use

Not as much tho

[haughty sluice]

OK

[shy bay]

Wasnt there a CAP tracking WA somewhere?

cant find it in the compendium

[jaunty blaze]

There is no need to track you will always fill it

[obsidian jetty]

double CA is giving your surge 40% crit for the first, and 36%/40% for the 2nd surge, depending on lust or not. So it's not just about the trinket

[jaunty blaze]

Convoke fills the first by itself

[shy bay]

Ok

thanks you all for the explainations

[void abyss]

all this gimmick about clipping CA is worth doing also without forge?

[lean pecan]

Is Kotg ahead of EC with the buffs and nerfs?

[austere loom]

Hi I got a question to the new opener (playing EU Server) - I tried the first treant into CA into 2x surges into Covoke and then directly into CA...for some reason my 2nd CA only lasts 10 seconds instead of 12 seconds...any ideas why this is the case? As a result I am not able to send the 2nd set of empowered surges into the 2nd CA

Do I need to cancel CA before pressing 2nd CA? or can I cancel the first CA by just using CA a second time?

[obsidian jetty]

You just press CA

[tiny ridge]

its time for vault

[austere loom]

ok thx, so no clue then why my 2nd CA only lasts 10 sec when practicing on the target dummy

[obsidian jetty]

My guess, user error

[austere loom]

I will check my logs later and share if I come across the issue in raid.

[silk shard]

yes

[tiny ridge]

what set items we want?

[void abyss]

and you end up only doing it on the opener right, because during rotation u end up always using CA before that second charges comes up?

[silk shard]

yes, check pins

ofc if you have something fight specific that has you holding cds i'm sure that will vary depending on your raid's encounter timings

[obsidian jetty]

you do it anytime you get 2 CA charges, depends on boss when/how many you get

[tiny ridge]

shoulders or legs ?

[silk shard]

i've seen legs used as off-piece, but if you get high ilevel version of legs early that ofc changes things

sim what you got/have available to you

[delicate perch]

I would use tier legs (for keeper) over the shoulders, not sure what cooked sims you've seen to do that

[tiny ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3aZUNnE7QMz9Zf71BE1Xmb

idk if i simmed good

[delicate perch]

can take off raid buffs if simming for m+ but not sure it makes much difference, just grab one of the haste sticks and upgrade some gear

[delicate perch]

scroll up a bit and check "max all" in the currency tab

[tiny ridge]

i did

[delicate perch]

go down the list of things

cata charges next

[delicate perch]

think cata charges at the top

[tiny ridge]

it is already on 3

[delicate perch]

oh

you need to select non vault pants

because it can't use those shoulders and the legs

[tiny ridge]

and

[delicate perch]

they are also vault pants lol

[tiny ridge]

the second ones are not

[tiny ridge]

still cant sim the second one

[delicate perch]

are you unselecting the non tier shoulders? because I'm not getting that error on your gear

[torn obsidian]

Why are people still running jastor diamond? Is it that good?

[junior stirrup]

do we know how much the semi-raid buff ffrom this reset is? the consumables one 🙂

[delicate perch]

ya that's fine. select correct enchants to make sure vault items are enchanted when simmed

[tiny ridge]

still error

[delicate perch]

idk if it messes with it but you unselected the non upgraded shoulders you have on

[tiny ridge]

why is this so complicated...

[obsidian jetty]

because you are forcing 4p, which is fine, but you are trying to sim vault legs that arn't apart of the 4p, so it won't sim them

you do not have tier shoulders, that arn't apart of your vault in the sim

[tiny ridge]

ok im simming

lets see

[obsidian jetty]

so it cannot both use the legs from vault, and maintain 4p

[tiny ridge]

ty

[delicate perch]

oh I didn't even know that was a setting

[fringe marsh]

is the simc version the one with the buff now?

or we still need to put the ptr=1

[tiny ridge]

wtf it telling me to get this trinket...

but looks like after the trinket are shoulders set?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wbLpnG26TXH8tiHxmrN8kx

[heavy iris]

Why are you simming in EC?

[tiny ridge]

?

[heavy iris]

You’re simming ST with our M+ build

[ebon sail]

I'll keep using it until sim tells me another ring I have is better than it.

[tiny ridge]

ye bcs it says we should sim st/aoe same thing

1t5

[heavy iris]

Is all you run M+?

[delicate perch]

ya sim is fine for m+

[delicate perch]

that is odd though

I'd pick an on use and a haste stick

[heavy iris]

Yes I’m just asking if that’s all you run

[tiny ridge]

for now yes

i mean i was not suprised that the trinket will be sm higher bcs i play with the most useless trinket zap cap

looks like this is the best gear right?

[heavy iris]

That looks like your best option

[delicate perch]

ya the one sim I did for EC had those two trinkets

haste stick and a good on use

[tiny ridge]

ye but im farming that trinket 2 weeks

and nothing

im so sad bcs my legs are hero maxed

i have to change them now 🙁

[delicate perch]

I mean if those shoulders are the best you have I would honestly take that for pure ilvl upgrade but that's just me

[tiny ridge]

ye i got the legs ;/

[mint galleon]

Is there any alternative to dungeon slice, when i want to sim my m+ setup properly?

[heavy iris]

You just sim 1T 5 mins

Pins has an explanation on mdt sim if you’re interested in that but generally 1T 5 min sim is completely fine

[mint galleon]

Alright

[lofty depot]

This is why we don't max hero items

[tiny ridge]

lets go i cant get invited in 10s...

[delicate perch]

oh I meant the shoulders

[tiny ridge]

too late

[delicate perch]

next week trust

[vital hound]

[heavy iris]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xqzJDMCYvP3Hg8ny?fight=31&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline
I know I messed up my movement and just did not execute basically at all during my 330 incarn window, which screwed me a bit. I also thought I could squeeze a trees in at end before boss died to use with cd’s, so I screwed myself there. Are there any other massive issues noticed I can work on going into next week?

[tiny ridge]

declined as always 🙁

[lofty depot]

Plenty of gaps u can tighten up

O shit were doing gamer strat

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

More gaps right

[heavy iris]

Yeah truly was just horrible

[lofty depot]

Saw a bunch of these which is slamming all ur asp in groups like this

It's usually a new to boomkin thing where ur slamming double or triple surges all together

[heavy iris]

That makes sense, and by fixing that it will naturally help fill those gaps which I’m assuming are a time of movement

I appreciate it

[deft crown]

i am 2.8k+ 710+ilvl most dungeons +11/12, and still getting insta declined to +10 keys

[lofty depot]

Probably but ur not wildcharging either

So idk what's movement or not

[obsidian jetty]

i'm 3k 716 and don't get invited to 10's insta. Ppl just want other classes man

[lofty depot]

A lot of players just don't use the 1 movement ability we have

[royal zenith]

this

[lofty depot]

This

[obsidian jetty]

I only pushed to 3k so I would get invited insta, didn't work 🙁

[royal zenith]

people be thinking they are the one

you're just a DPS

don't forget about reality

[lofty depot]

A DPS, in a line of 500 other dps

And news flash, people don't like boomkins

[royal zenith]

but "can play feral/boomkin doesnt matter" in the note

1 out of 6 applies = invite

trust

[river depot]

but then you might end up playing feral

[lucid olive]

Feral in keys is really fun

[royal zenith]

Feral is giga in keys

[lofty depot]

"I have multiple r1s, I will body any and all other DPS"

[river depot]

I tried it and found it stressing tbh

[heavy iris]

I appreciate your time thanks!

[lucid olive]

Pressing Starfire every cast for the 3rd season in a row

[deft crown]

i ejoy when some1 invites me after 10+ rejection and then out dps the arcane mage cuz they cant play the class eventho its meta

[lofty depot]

Arcane hard ok

[tiny ridge]

ye no one wants druid

[lofty depot]

Listening to barrage helper didn't increase my dam enough

[lofty depot]

Well that's not true. Motw good buff

[royal zenith]

if you get satisfaction from doing that, in your weekly vault key

raise the bar

be better

[heavy iris]

I mean not everyone plays for the same reason right

[royal zenith]

I'm being semi-sarcastic

but pugging keys will mean chances are extremely high you are outdpsing random nr. 3

on arcane mage alt ilvl 690

[lucid prism]

any talent changes since patch?

[lofty depot]

Keeper on soulbinder

Lock in

(no)

[lucid prism]

ok

[fiery sun]

anyone know what of these options to leave out of my sim bcuz they will be useless anyway

[tawny plaza]

Any changes to m+ talents from today's ?

[fiery sun]

im neww to sim and dont want to run 50 of them

[royal zenith]

no

[lofty depot]

I mean unless u need hero track tier..... would just sim the m+ ones cuz the others are hero track

[fiery sun]

and do you alwys sim patchwerk style bcuz it wont let me do another sim style

[fiery sun]

i missed first 2 resets. so some of it is useful

[lofty depot]

Assume the other styles are cringe useless and don't pertain to anything

[austere badger]

So I’m not sure what I am doing wrong. I feel like my dps is super low for keys or is it just the class in a bad spot

[lofty depot]

Patchwork 1t5m, send st

[lofty depot]

Maybe ur playing poorly

Post a log

[austere badger]

I feel like my rotation is on point. Give me one min on my phone

[hollow patio]

What keylevel you do. What is your Comp. What Dungeon?

[fiery sun]

do i just cat both of those ( im still running old 2 set w new 2 set)

[lofty depot]

If u can get 4p with hero tier items I'd just send cata charges

But 2p2p is actually good

[tawny plaza]

ty

[austere badger]

Io is 2996 I’m pushing 13s right now. And most dungeons. I just feel like my output isn’t right.

And sorry I can’t get logs while on my phone

[fiery sun]

i make full hero set i got head n shoulders and have legs n chest both hero nprocced

[lofty depot]

So if u want to hold out on mythic tier I suppose is w.e., but I prefer just always taking new tier at hero ilvl and not caring

Prefer not using shoulders if u care about raid

[fiery sun]

is there differences between hero n myth tier

[lofty depot]

Or not using legs if u care about m+ more (iirc)

[fiery sun]

im mostly in m+ atm

[lofty depot]

Besides ilvl

[fiery sun]

my char n stat balance is a mess rn

and am in process of going from keeper to elunne

since everyone is playing elune

[lofty depot]

We weren't ever playing keeper in keys

[fiery sun]

in s 1

[lofty depot]

But last tier the stat distribution was the roughly the same for raid and m+

Now it's not

S1 we didn't either

[fiery sun]

s1 a lot of ppl played grove, im nt here to argue with internet rando's im just a newer player trying to get better knowledge of simming not here to debate wow bs

🙂

[heavy iris]

Lol

[lofty depot]

lol

[fiery sun]

yeah idc what you played or are playing "lol"

its nt that deep to me

[fossil hemlock]

Why are you so aggressive?

[placid olive]

Edgy

[heavy iris]

No one ever played keeper in keys my guy

Outside of things below 10

[fossil hemlock]

Well they did, but people quickly swapped to EC

Very early S1 people did kotg but not for anything relevant later on

[fiery sun]

aggressive where lol, i can't be bothered to get useless responses as it wasn't what i asked or was talking about

[lucid olive]

Yeah they played keeper for the first month of the expansion

[lofty depot]

I mean, he can be aggressive. But he gets laughed at for it

Don't really care

[lucid olive]

Asks where's you're aggressive and then proceeds to be aggressive in the same message gg

[lucid olive]

The item level

[fiery sun]

no one was aggressive lol damnn you guys r soft as hell

[lofty depot]

I'm generally blunt towards people, he can be blunt.

[heavy iris]

Asking questions like this to turn around and be aggressive is crazy

[fossil hemlock]

not the calling people soft lmao

[fiery sun]

do you guys ever go outside aat all ?

[lofty depot]

They might be, I'm not

Now ur being cringe

Chill

[round field]

Ok but ur wrong

[royal zenith]

I've been outside

[fiery sun]

nnah you guys are lol

[royal zenith]

they play KOTG in keys outside

[round field]

Whats ur point

[royal zenith]

real story

[fiery sun]

you guys r soft as hell holyyy

[lucid olive]

Sim dungeon routes or ST, read FAQ in Compendium

[leaden birch]

outside sucks

inside is where it's at

[fossil hemlock]

0/10 rage bait

Try again

[fiery sun]

cringeloords from discord out in full force

[lofty depot]

U got called aggressive and now are lashing out

Taking it personal

[leaden birch]

i would expect nothing less from someone with a rick and morty pfp

[lucid olive]

Myth track chest for catalyst or parapodia

[royal zenith]

only people that stay inside use 'cringelords'

thoughts?

[fossil hemlock]

Real

[lofty depot]

Real

[placid olive]

BIG trinket

[leaden birch]

i don't use cringelords

and I exclusively stay inside

[lucid olive]

It's a show made for intellectuals, this guy is clearly on a level above us

[fiery sun]

i askedd a simple question about sim stuff. not what spec you played or what ppl did or ddiddnt play lol. if you can't answer to the topic then jjust stfu i don't get the neckbearded activity that goes on here. if you felt i was blunt idc, this iss nt my first language nor do i care about some discord guys fragile feelings wtf hahaha cringe asf this discord

[royal zenith]

yes but every cow is an animal, not every animal is a cow

[fossil hemlock]

i askedd a simple question about sim stuff. not what spec you played or what ppl did or ddiddnt play lol. if you can't answer to the topic then jjust stfu i don't get the neckbearded activity that goes on here. if you felt i was blunt id, this iss nt my first language nor do i care about some discord guys fragile feelings wtf hahaha cringe asf this discord

[royal zenith]

ya feel me

[leaden birch]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-tom-delonge-what-the-gif-13829782

[royal zenith]

[fossil hemlock]

Imagine being so soft you take offense to being called aggressive and start lashing out, you're like the marshmallow man my dude

I bet you're a big softy

[lucid olive]

You for sure go to different rallies just so you can own liberals

[fiery sun]

nah im just laughing at you neckkbeards

[leaden birch]

yo don't talk shit about the michelin man

[lofty depot]

I did answer to the top, u got made at the extra comment. Grow up

[fossil hemlock]

Neckbeards I can't

[leaden birch]

he knows where all the good food is at

[heavy iris]

Neckbeards insult twice now this is getting good

[fiery sun]

my god you full time wow players r probably all transgender weirdos too

[lofty depot]

"Guys we played keeper S1"

[fiery sun]

lmao

[fossil hemlock]

<@&114146878353833984>

Just get it done

[leaden birch]

ight get him outta here

[fossil hemlock]

Weak-ass bait

[lofty depot]

That's a crazy comment

[fossil hemlock]

Be better

[heavy iris]

Nice got himself banned record timing

[fading falcon]

Speed run

[lucid olive]

Insane I nailed it on the "goes out to own liberals"

[fiery sun]

you guys r just weird asf for crying about nothing

[tiny ridge]

2% is nothing

[lofty depot]

It's 3%

And it's not nothing

[fossil hemlock]

I legit just asked a calm question and you went on a rampage

[fiery sun]

nah

[fossil hemlock]

Frothing at the mouth

[royal zenith]

brother

[fiery sun]

you guys r just trolls

[royal zenith]

look at this screenshot

[lofty depot]

Deux mod when

[fading falcon]

He's rage baiting, pitiful

[royal zenith]

and tell me where anyone is triggering you

[mighty mica]

byeeeeee

[tiny ridge]

again no trinket drooop 🙁

[lucid olive]

o7

[lofty depot]

He brought it up, I told him it didn't matter and the stat prio was the same

Very angy individual

[leaden birch]

arctic stop being soft

[lofty depot]

Lol

[fading falcon]

south pole elf

[leaden birch]

neckbeard energy

[lofty depot]

Said anyone ever

[royal zenith]

yeah there was zero reason to pop off

go next

[silk shard]

i like playing kotg in low keys

[royal zenith]

banned

[silk shard]

🙁

[mighty mica]

losers will always be losers

[lofty depot]

We did get a copy pasta out of it.. @teal sphinx

[leaden birch]

he's actually a winner ok

he's not a neckbeard

[hollow patio]

And thats why we are all here

[leaden birch]

like us

[royal zenith]

I have a beard in my neck

does that count

[maiden pasture]

wait same........

[leaden birch]

he's an intellectual, as you can tell by his rick and morty pfp

and he's not a transgender

get owned liberals

[lofty depot]

Do u also, consider urself a cringelord that stays inside

[gray pulsar]

counting down until they post on reddit: "banned for no reason"

[royal zenith]

nothing wrong with rick and morty

[hollow mist]

[royal zenith]

it's also been proven that high iq watch that show

[lucid olive]

Except for the creator

[royal zenith]

oh?

[tiny ridge]

;/

[leaden birch]

lmao i forgot about roiland

[strange edge]

Co creator

[royal zenith]

Im not aware of the lore

[lofty depot]

Gamz will let us know, he lives on reddit

[strange edge]

Leave Harmon out of it

[leaden birch]

he's a weirdo

[round field]

2 rick and morty pfps

2 idiots

Coincidence?

[leaden birch]

yeah dan harmon is great, roiland a weirdo

[round field]

I think not

[royal zenith]

when are you changing your pfp iqni

gotteeeeemmmm

[round field]

How about u get some bitches on you dick

[lucid olive]

Roiland got some domestic abuse and violence charges

[royal zenith]

I'm celibate

[lucid olive]

So he got dropped from the show

[royal zenith]

gg's

I didn't know

[lucid olive]

Yeah that's probably better than keeping up with everything

[gray pulsar]

they cooked with the new voice actor if you didn't even notice the change

[leaden birch]

i haven't watched rick and morty since s3 or smth

[lucid olive]

I've never been a fan of edgy cartoons

[leaden birch]

what about anime

[gray pulsar]

happy tree friends though

[lucid olive]

Futurama the only one I would watch

[remote vale]

still a cartoon

[leaden birch]

anime is great

[lucid olive]

Eh, not big on it

[leaden birch]

have you not given FMA brotherhood a chance?

[lucid olive]

I like the ones I grew up with like Pokemon and Digimon

[leaden birch]

i grew out of pokemon

[lucid olive]

And I watched Solo Leveling earlier this year as the last season was coming out and that show was great

[remote vale]

anime has been going downhill since Beast Wars

[fossil hemlock]

Take the gateway drug called Avatar: The Last Airbender

[leaden birch]

oh

solo leveling

[lucid olive]

Avatar is amazing yeah

[leaden birch]

i feel like you should give an anime with an actual story a chance lmao

[lucid olive]

Haven't seen Korra

[leaden birch]

korra started off good, ended off with a strong meh

[fossil hemlock]

Korra is also great, but just don't expect TLA levels of great

[lucid olive]

I liked the Netflix adaptation too

[remote vale]

the deep lore was rushed, wish it didnt turn into kaiju shit, but a solid 7.5/10 overall imho

[royal zenith]

Beast Wars

[lucid olive]

Think I've seen every episode

The payoff at the end is worth it

[leaden birch]

yeah they were cooking with korra but it def felt rushed

[lucid olive]

When Pikachu gets up and keeps fighting and you hear the original theme song starts playing

[fossil hemlock]

Also some constraints in term of producers interfering

[scenic mist]

Just seeing the payoff without seeing anything before was enough

Hype was still there

[leaden birch]

i watched the og seasons of pokemon when I was a kid

[remote vale]

FMA:B is an easy 9.5/10, but id also recommend the other version. I think they did smaller stories way better.

[leaden birch]

indigo league at most I think lmao

[lucid olive]

Yeah the main draw of Pokemon are the episode long fights

[leaden birch]

yeah FMA:B's main criticism from others is that it rushed the start

[lofty depot]

Me who watched Avatar, Yu-Gi-Oh, and DBZ and nothing else

[lucid olive]

I watched Beyblade and Duel Masters as a kid

[remote vale]

FMA:B felt very "you know whats up, anyways...lets get moving on to the cool shit"

[lucid olive]

Yu-Gi-Oh never really made it to my country before I was too old

[remote vale]

Pyscho-Pass S1 is almost a 10/10 for me tbh

fall off ofc, but was never bad

[proven swallow]

why are we dropping treants before CA in double CA window now? Won't the treants run out before empowered starsurges?

[fossil hemlock]

You cut the first CA short

[lofty depot]

No, u press 2nd CA after convoke

[fossil hemlock]

Use 2nd CA right after convoke finishes

[lofty depot]

Trees is up for like 3 more seconds

[fossil hemlock]

First CA should be about 6-7 seconds long

[proven swallow]

Ah, i thought the trees would run out and that was the reason that we did trees two globals into it some time ago

[leaden birch]

I've been meaning to watch the original FMA

[lofty depot]

Well ur clipping the ca which then dryad despawns

[leaden birch]

never heard of it, I'll peep it

[lucid olive]

It was originally, but the APL where that was an increase was before they nerfed the cap on the 4pc so you needed the extra seconds of CA to get closer to cap

Now you just cap it with a Convoke

[remote vale]

on a work call, ill brb to this convo

[proven swallow]

oh i missed the part about CA:ing right after convoke, makes sense now

[maiden pasture]

maybe i never have to play the chase the orb minigame.......

[delicate perch]

cope

[lofty depot]

Weak mind

Lock in

[maiden pasture]

this is the only thing im locked in for

[lucid olive]

Man was watching me run around Salad Bar platform chasing orbs 💀

[maiden pasture]

yeah

L

nerd

pacemaker>>>>

[lucid olive]

My miss % is pretty good tbh

Usually miss like maybe 1

[maiden pasture]

what about on a real pull

p3

when ur moving for smashes / starkillers / dodging spikes

[lucid olive]

Idk they stay around so long it shouldn't be hard

You get room to breathe

[fossil hemlock]

They last 20 seconds or something right?

The worst is when you're standing still and they stop right outside of soak range and just sit there

[leaden birch]

don't they move towards you

[fossil hemlock]

They do

But sometimes they suck

[leaden birch]

oh lmao

[lucid olive]

Yeah but you're also moving around

[scenic mist]

And then you move to them and they evade you by moving away

[maiden pasture]

[fossil hemlock]

Ye

[round oracle]

its somehow a alot worse than the crit orb trinket was, like you run towards the antenna and it just keeps moving with you

[lofty depot]

That's 80% what the

[tiny ridge]

lucky you

[upper anvil]

So what did you get from vault. Was waiting on eng worth it

[pallid bay]

whats your chase to death ratio

[tiny ridge]

legs

[upper anvil]

Legs not bad

[remote vale]

its like unlike Promised Neverland in how S2 was handled, its just that S1 ended and it felt like there was room for more, but that was handled i nthe movie.

[leaden birch]

fkin hell don't remind me about promised neverland

[remote vale]

Promised Neverland shit the bed. The actual story is good, the manga is good though

[storm frigate]

I have to decide between heroic kris or shitty mythic trinket. Or just take a socket and cry

[lime swallow]

so basically they buffed us 5% all damage and nerfed the shit out of the m+ spec. nice

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/whatif-matrix-make-gif-723526056553365657

[storm frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/not-like-this-stare-no-nope-gif-16373672

[upper anvil]

i wouldnt say m+ spec is nerfed the shit out of

im still pumping a decent amount of dps

[obsidian tapir]

its a 2% buff m+ its fine

[storm frigate]

but do you just use kotg in M+ now and leaving EC in the dust?

[upper anvil]

no

[obsidian tapir]

nope

[storm frigate]

thank goodness then

[obsidian tapir]

thank goodness we can still spam 1 button and ignore eclipse yey

[royal zenith]

to be fair, if you read patch notes

it does seem like EC got destroyed

[lucid olive]

no idea

[storm frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/how-can-you-read-this-no-pictures-gif-15201067

[obsidian tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1316716065933496370/1413698576093024358/tettles_-_1964136243173654813.gif

[royal zenith]

wish they did a bit more ability tuning though

they did it for hunters

[pallid bay]

seen some sketchy moves

[storm frigate]

right?!

[lucid olive]

i only really started paying attention to the orbs at the later half of last raid tbh

[royal zenith]

antenna orbs?

[lucid olive]

ye

[royal zenith]

bet there's a weakaura to track that

did oi create a minigame

[lucid olive]

yeah you just track the buff

[pallid bay]

i decided it was pointless

[royal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pointless-sad-run-futile-gif-25822185

[lucid olive]

there are 2 buffs, one for when an orb spawns and one for when you collect it

i disabled em don't need that noise

[royal zenith]

if you're trynna catch and orb and risk getting hit by beam

grow up...

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-escalator-pointless-climb-meme-gif-3683462703189156096

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[dire osprey]

gotta wait for one of the other class devs to have some downtime before we can be worked on

[bronze briar]

guys quick question, is boomie likely better in st with the buffs then feral or nah?

[sudden flame]

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-nah-gif-27078288

[bronze briar]

ah, too bad

thanks

[fossil hemlock]

Which spec are you better at playing?

[eager raft]

my raid leader is considering banning ppl from using antenna on dimensius so people can’t die chasing orbs

[bronze briar]

about the same, i know feral and boomie is not rocket science

[royal zenith]

maybe he should consider banning his raiders in it's entirety

if that's priority for them..

[dire osprey]

ngl i ignore them until they are melee distance

[wicked shuttle]

It’s just not very good on that boss too fwiw

[delicate perch]

what do people even replace with it

so many dogshit trinkets

[dire osprey]

moxie nut jug

💀

[delicate perch]

I do still have mine in bags actually

ez choice

[dire osprey]

true but i just made that up

was my 1st assumption tho

[delicate perch]

2 late

[dire osprey]

ggs

[delicate perch]

[pallid bay]

must..chase..orb..

[dire osprey]

surely this week... or next in vault..

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[delicate perch]

I got the dagger.. just need a spark

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

time to get some crests

[eager raft]

Yeah with all the movement you’re just gonna be natty running away from orbs a lot

[dire osprey]

[eager raft]

deux man cmon you can do better than this

[royal zenith]

and ban specifically you

[vital hound]

dawnbreaker crystal

plus forge

is cool

[viral mirage]

Hello !
I just saw that stats changed now we want crit/mastery with kotg ? I will sim everytime anyway but was wondering

[delicate perch]

40% misses...

(only 4/6 hero antenna tho)

[dire osprey]

[eager raft]

Old age has softened your rage bait

[royal zenith]

I don't want people to actually get mad

that's not fun

[fossil shard]

Youve lost your touch then…

I remember orange Deux

[ionic wren]

crit/mastery with kotg? thought haste/mastery is still the thing

[upper anvil]

crit/mast for kotg/raid, mast haste for keys/ec

[ionic wren]

ty

[lucid olive]

well

mast - crit/vers

[upper anvil]

ye mast crit, i tired

[hazy storm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CBZ6dpn4hHQTYzND?fight=last&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline

should I have saved 2 charges of CA and only pop 1 during intermission to have 2 up during 2nd dmg amp + lust?

I kinda hate that we lust 2nd dmg amp idk

[leaden birch]

man my guild is progging loomithar and i wanna kms

[hazy storm]

It ended up being a 97 so idc but jw for future reference if we keep that lust timing

[leaden birch]

[royal zenith]

reformed

times are changing

[mighty mica]

no it's "retired"

washed smh

[opaque knot]

has anyone tried kotg in m+ since reset?

[royal zenith]

[vital hound]

[hazy storm]

Pog

My highest has been 80 mil

Also how do I parse on Soulbinder when adds die so quick

[ionic surge]

Wait @mighty mica is back

[mighty mica]

always been here

[royal zenith]

was never gone

[ionic surge]

You 100% checked out for a while I remember that

[mighty mica]

unfortunately

[vital hull]

Do you all use the keeper cleave talents or just stick keeper ST for the raid bosses with adds?

[delicate perch]

Unless you’re the only dps there’s no bosses with adds

[vital hull]

Haha okay so forgeeweaver and soul binder stick to ST talents?

[crimson helm]

Is this on mythic track any good for M+ or not worth ? Sounds so fancy with arcane dmg, scaling up per amount of enemies and even with your mastery ...
What are the "best" trinkets for m+ ? Tysm.

[hazy storm]

I ran soul binder EC yesterday but adds died too quick so prolly depends on your other DPS

[royal zenith]

afaik it's mostly parapodia and lily angle for M+

which you can farm

[lucid olive]

Damage type in items and cantrip effects don't scale with class auras

If something says it does arcane damage and your mastery increases arcane damage those will not correlate

[crimson helm]

kk didnt know unlucky.

[lucid olive]

Yeah that's all good, but for the future remember that's not really how WoW works

it's not intuitive like that

[crimson helm]

Not even talents ? Unlucky. But ty.

[fossil hemlock]

(usually)

[crimson helm]

I have all of them and even Parapodia in Vault now, so might go for it then. Tysm.

[royal zenith]

yeah, you can try some MDT sims to check the differences

if you want more specific info

[lucid olive]

Yeah there are some freak exceptions where the item dev puts in a flag that makes it work

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah dark ranger had some funny stuff in S1 with shadow damage mods working on trinkets

[jade drift]

i fucking hate being addicted to boomkin

[placid olive]

No shot Boomie gets a “corrected” buff right? I felt like i was doing WAYY more than 5% yesterday lol

[jade drift]

benched even after buffs at nexus king

fuck my life

[eager raft]

Don’t act all innocent

[wise hare]

since when did ur name turn white

looks ugly

[mighty mica]

nick back from the dead

[wise hare]

sorta

[eager raft]

white name>green name>orange name>purple name>yellow name

[wise hare]

someone has to save boomy from being bottom dps

[eager raft]

It is known

[mighty mica]

monkeys paw, boomkin is no longer a spec so it cannot be at the bottom

[wise hare]

pack it up close the discord

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[wise hare]

you know whats more suprising

thats this guy is still with us

[mighty mica]

no comment

[wise hare]

should i ping him

[royal zenith]

no it's good

can work from the shadows

[wise hare]

nah you gotta go straight in

[royal zenith]

yes but now you're back !!

[wise hare]

doubt thats a good thing tbh

[royal zenith]

are you actively playing?

if so; my condolences

[wise hare]

well i started doing the new campaign shit yday

[tepid mountain]

How do I farm aura as a boomkin during M+?

[royal zenith]

that already sounds like a "but I quit halfway" angle

[royal zenith]

not pressing solar beam

[wise hare]

ehh so far i dont mind it

iam just giga chilling no pressure

[hazy storm]

Never going bear farm

[tepid mountain]

Oh so I've been doing it without realizing it already 😂

[royal zenith]

that is fair yeah

wonder when alpha invites will go out

[tepid mountain]

I actually ran an entire +10 without realizing that I wasn't in moonkin form

[wise hare]

iam more annoyed over the fact that my whole ui is bricked and my weakauras obviously dont work

but i also cba updating it by myself

[hazy storm]

Do you not run fluid

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[tepid mountain]

I was wondering where my dps went lool

[plucky forge]

what enchant do we use for raid with the new renown buff Stonebound Artistry ?

[fossil hemlock]

Same as before

[wise hare]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-pokemon-wooper-huh-huhh-gif-10333941026352545707

[fossil hemlock]

Whatever that is for your gearset

[tepid mountain]

Authoritayyy

[lucid olive]

welcome back

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/salutations-dog-my-good-chum-dap-me-up-gif-26591726

[wise hare]

you know its funny i was wondering who tf you are

cause i do not remember that name

xd

[lucid olive]

smile

[vale pebble]

hes some new guy

[lucid olive]

i started playing in Nathria, didn't do anything relevant until like season 4 of DF when i started working on compendium

[royal zenith]

I think you're pre-Gamz era

[vale pebble]

dont mind him

[wise hare]

well tbf its not like a lot of ppl remember me

[tepid mountain]

Who?

[lucid olive]

tettles revived moonkin monthly and lit the banners for Nick's return

[pallid bay]

[wise hare]

no shot he did that

[vale pebble]

its ok i do im the only one that matters

[tepid mountain]

LOOOL

[wise hare]

true

[tepid mountain]

Oi m8

[vale pebble]

yea after i was pestering him for months to do it btw

[royal zenith]

leaf trynna fit in

by being weird

[pallid bay]

oi

[vale pebble]

he just hates me i guess

[royal zenith]

[vale pebble]

tettles not a real one

[lucid olive]

oh i

[wise hare]

wait so is he just doing it alone

or what

[royal zenith]

no

with gamz

[lucid olive]

me and tettles did a 57m rant about how bad the spec is

[lyric forum]

who are you

[royal zenith]

but it did return

[tepid mountain]

We dueling put ur wrist up mf

[wise hare]

oh no

hell no

[vale pebble]

he did 1 episode

[wise hare]

aint no shot

ANC

[vale pebble]

unc

[lyric forum]

do i know you

[wise hare]

certainly not

its only been 10 years since legion

[pallid bay]

[mighty mica]

10 years since peak

[wise hare]

actually true

the golden era

[lyric forum]

thank god i dont play this spec anymore man all downhill since legion

[wise hare]

whats bora up to

is he still in shambles

[lucid olive]

evoker

[wise hare]

trying to get into the top 10 logs

[lyric forum]

damn thats toxic

[graceful dawn]

Could anyone direct me towards a guide for how to sim balance in m+?

[mighty mica]

pins

compendium, scroll to FAQ

[vale pebble]

he gave up

circa 8 tiers ago

[graceful dawn]

Cheers!

[wise hare]

ngl i will always miss the legion days

all the old names

now you got kids like @vale pebble

[vale pebble]

im unc rn

[lyric forum]

im pretty sure almost everyone who ranked well in legion either quit or rerolled

[vale pebble]

ur like

grandpa

[wise hare]

most likely

[lyric forum]

aussies quit sang and gape are dragons

im on my 18th class since hten

[magic hound]

Hello guys

[wise hare]

well glad iam back on boomy now

x)

[magic hound]

Did thy buff balance???

[scenic mist]

No one in their right mind would say this

[wise hare]

yea you dont know me then

thats ok

[scenic mist]

Meaning you’re actually in the right place I guess

[lyric forum]

why would you come back and play moonkin on purpose though

[magic hound]

Guys:((((

[royal zenith]

comfort

[lucid olive]

Nick returns because Blizzard is reworking Moonkin in Midnight

alpha is up in a few weeks mark my words

[magic hound]

Is moonking buffed?

[royal zenith]

ye it got buffed @magic hound

enjoy

[wise hare]

[magic hound]

How??

[royal zenith]

by adding numbers to number and making it bigger

[wise hare]

i mean its not like iam raiding hardcore or anything

[scenic mist]

How many % of copium is that

[magic hound]

I mean what has changed??

[mighty mica]

wdym how

[wise hare]

so it doesnt actually matter

[royal zenith]

aura buff

[pallid bay]

Midnight is when wow dies

[lucid olive]

tbf i don't know you either, only by reputation

your name written on the walls of the grove

[royal zenith]

nick's already getting used to not using WA's and addons

all good

[lucid olive]

and that one time you came in a few months ago to reprimand Iqni

[wise hare]

do you know what a nick roulette is?

[scenic mist]

See last two pins

[wise hare]

maybe its time we play a round again

@royal zenith thoughts?

[royal zenith]

@noble spindle log in

yes of course you should

@vital hound will probably want to join too

@scarlet tapir

do the nick roulette

[wise hare]

someone is getting shot today huh

[scarlet tapir]

what am i looking at

[royal zenith]

[ionic surge]

What is it

[lucid olive]

please shoot @lofty depot

[pearl pivot]

isnt the nick roulette where s1 gets timeout? i member the good old days nick

[royal zenith]

oh yeah include arctic

[royal zenith]

yezzir

[wise hare]

yea but now i just perma ban

[scarlet tapir]

do i win gold if i win nick roulette

[royal zenith]

you're a knower

[ionic surge]

Can I play

[royal zenith]

you get to stay

[wise hare]

more adrenaline

[scarlet tapir]

@wise hare start with me

[wise hare]

Roulette

[royal zenith]

[wise hare]

can ppl join that

or do i have to ping them

[lucid olive]

ye

[royal zenith]

think so yes

[lucid olive]

ping them in there and it auto pops up

[scenic mist]

Is the only thing to win at the roulette the relief from not having lost and getting banned ?

[ionic surge]

We call it "aura"

[scenic mist]

I’m in

[maiden pasture]

nickdruid from dreamgrove

[wise hare]

the grove

[digital berry]

Welp

[scenic mist]

We’re back

Well not everyone

[maiden pasture]

are u still owning in Lost Ark sir

[wise hare]

@lucid olive welcome back

[pearl pivot]

@quiet drift

[wise hare]

n

[lucid olive]

that wasn't even 10 minutes

smh

[scenic mist]

:o7:

[wise hare]

sorry i knew you couldnt handle it

[lucid olive]

I was gonna go to the store and get some chores done

[scenic mist]

Someone is asking for it

[lucid olive]

guess I can't now..

[wise hare]

how long do you need

[jade flume]

Man, i wish lost ark continued 4man raids

That clown raid blind prog

Was so fucking fun

[lucid olive]

15 minutes enough to get out of my chair surely

[jade flume]

But we didnt have 8 people so it was gg after

[wise hare]

guess you stay at ur pc

[lucid olive]

unforch

[gilded wolf]

nick still alive ..

[wise hare]

oh fev

alo

[jade drift]

i was just looking for midnight class changes

[lofty depot]

That's what I'm thinking

Next month gonna be a banger

[jade drift]

i just cannot believe that they will fix boomkin anytime

we are dead for life

[lofty depot]

He's done that before when he was on a poe binger

[lofty depot]

We're fine

[wise mist]

I'm trying to understand this new kotg 4p 2-charge CA thing from pin. Don't we lose out a lot of seconds of CA by using them that tight together? And with using trees so early we don't have their dmg buff up for the dryad 4p? Seems the only thing we gain is having trees up for first couple of starsurges?

[jade drift]

https://tenor.com/view/its-fine-gif-23655643

[dry compass]

Brel was fun to prog but man the amount of farm to stay on curve in that game is just too much

[lofty depot]

The loss of ca seconds doesn't matter
Trees is up for the buffed surges

[wise mist]

does using the 2nd CA force the 4p from the first CA to come out earlier?

[royal zenith]

You’re gaining damage

Thats all that matters

Yeah you proc dryad’s favor

[lofty depot]

Yes

[royal zenith]

If you send CA

[wise mist]

ah I see

[fiery veldt]

buff seems alright tbh feels better still swapping to shaman cause im a healer now ill miss u my bruddas

@lofty depot shoutout to the most helpful mean person ever.

[wise hare]

its ok ive writte your name down as another betraying rat

but no stress 😃

[fiery veldt]

i accept that

my raid group needs a resto shammy or at least wants one so watever gets me play

[vale pebble]

leak list

[fiery veldt]

❤️

[wise hare]

its too long

[fiery veldt]

chicken arent u feral now?

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[vale pebble]

im aug rn

[fiery veldt]

oh shit

pop off

[vale pebble]

im not

im getting my dmg stolen by black arrow

[lofty depot]

It's literally all the colored names

[vale pebble]

im not on there

100p

[wise hare]

lets be real who is still playing boomy

[lofty depot]

100p u fucking are

[wise hare]

that has a colored name

literally none of u

[lofty depot]

Me >

[wise hare]

like i said

none important

[lofty depot]

What the

[vale pebble]

u a random bro

[lofty depot]

I run these streets

[ionic surge]

Arctic just got shot in the head

[lofty depot]

Tippy top

[vale pebble]

im housing iqnious and cottler

[ionic surge]

By some retired unc

[vale pebble]

if that counts

must count as .5

[lofty depot]

The cream and the crop type shit

[wise hare]

thats why they are so fucking dirty

[dry compass]

Brother your rank 1 was 2 weeks ago let it go

[lofty depot]

Hard out here

[wise hare]

they still play boomy?

[vale pebble]

yea

[ionic surge]

I stand by my homie arctic till death do us part

[lofty depot]

Wake up lil gup

[dry compass]

Oh boy the meme boss

[vale pebble]

well iqnious is on feral prison

[wise hare]

death is quick dw

[vale pebble]

cause u cant play 2 boomie

and hes getting gapped deluxe

[lofty depot]

Meme boss I played keeper

[wise hare]

cancer prison

gg

[lofty depot]

Don't ever

[wise hare]

ngl i think i will enjoy boomy

[ionic surge]

@round field

[wise hare]

ill be rocking hard with that 2 mythic bosses down guild

[vale pebble]

yea i need a tier back lowk

[dry compass]

Boomie kinda fun to play rn even if it still sucks a bit

[vale pebble]

he knows it bro

[ionic surge]

I just want him to read it and weep

[dry compass]

Tier set does give some frenzy style dopamine hits

[round field]

What

[lofty depot]

Until I don't Crit then I smash desk

[dry compass]

True

[vale pebble]

ur raiding today u know that confirm

[wise hare]

you know back in my days when i did not crit i wiped the raid

[round field]

But

[wise hare]

just bad rng

go again

[round field]

Silksong

[lofty depot]

Big if true

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[wise hare]

ask @tired granite

he has proof

[maiden pasture]

lock in borderlands 4 tomorrow

[dry compass]

I had an Aug last night tracking my CA and making sure I had prescience for every stack

[wise hare]

i think it was argus?

[dry compass]

Holy fuck does that feel good

[lofty depot]

Oopsie, forgot to ursols the manifestation

My bad guys sowwie

[wise hare]

oh i ran into 10 ppl wiht the red debuff?

my bad

didnt see

certainly didnt have anything to do with my opener not critting

[round field]

Ew no

[wise hare]

🙃

[round field]

Im not giving gearbox and 2k money

[maiden pasture]

surely its not a shit game 3 games in a row

[round field]

Mby when it goes 95% sale

[dry compass]

Triple A games are dead it's the era of indie

[round field]

And after bl3

[maiden pasture]

surely they can bring back the joy of borderlands 2

[round field]

I have 0 expectations

[lofty depot]

That's not how gaming works

[round field]

And bl4 seems rushed as fuck

I opened vault

And my options are

[wise hare]

you could say the same about legion and legion remix

[round field]

Belt

And tier hands

(i crafted hands)

[wise hare]

click the button at the very bottom

i heard thats great

[round field]

Socket

[wise hare]

yes

[round field]

[wise hare]

that one

ur welcome

[sonic ocean]

are we playing keeper or elune now for m+ high key ?

[round field]

Noo

[dry compass]

Do I trust blizzard to take a wildly successful panda remix, carry forward the lessons learned and not make it worse for no reason? No, no I do not

[round field]

I take hands and craft new belt embelish

Fat ilvl

[lofty depot]

Ec

[shrewd path]

Anyone got numbers yet on how big the new raid renown weapon enchant buff is?

[lofty depot]

Like 0.6%

[shrewd path]

Aight, ty

[storm frigate]

there's a new enchant?..

[lofty depot]

No

[dry compass]

Raid renown reward enhances your existing enchants

[lofty depot]

U just get the renown, finish quest and suddenly ur enchant procs more or some shit

Or gives more rating

[storm frigate]

huh interesting

[sonic ocean]

are my talents good ? and stat wise we need haste then mastery right ?

[exotic perch]

stats are whatever raidbots tells you to equip

but for EC that looks normal ye

[lofty depot]

Check dreamgrove.gg

[storm frigate]

definitely wanna be careful with too much haste. it's easy to overload it and be lacking crit

[lofty depot]

Crit for ec, hm

[sonic ocean]

how much haste is enough

[storm frigate]

aren't gemmed partially for crit? 🤔

[digital berry]

Gemmed for whatever the sim tells you to gem for

[lofty depot]

Imagine me gemming for m+

[digital berry]

As much as the sim tells you to use

[lofty depot]

I change my neck and my rings and w.r. stats I have is what gets played

[digital berry]

Yeah I don’t even do any swaps fuck that, not even on soulbinders can’t be arsed

Begged for pi

[lofty depot]

Soulbinder is a keeper boss

[digital berry]

Wait wait

[lofty depot]

So don't know what ur doing hmm

[digital berry]

I meant the other one

[lofty depot]

Lock on lil gup

Soul hunters.....

[digital berry]

Yeah yeah soul this soul that

[lofty depot]

Yea cringe rboss

[digital berry]

I love ec in intermission

[lofty depot]

Evoker miss raid Monday, makes me too funny orb soaking. Fucking murder me still on top of meter

[digital berry]

Casting nothing

[lofty depot]

Skrill issue

Better be casting moonfire if nothing

[digital berry]

Get paired with a melee and some lunatic that wants to collect all orbs

[barren galleon]

how do i sim for m+ as boomkin?

[lofty depot]

FAQ in the compendium

[barren galleon]

am i blind or something, cant find anything about it in the compendium?

[lofty depot]

Probably blind yea

Ctrl + f "sim"

Or m+

[craggy sonnet]

How do you get the 2nd set of surges into 2nd tree, without completely fucking yourself.

[lofty depot]

Blud that's from 5 hours ago