balance

[lucid olive]

theres like 5 different routes

[drifting nova]

1st boss boat, to the church

99% of runs

3 cooked tanks in a row did the 2nd add first (the one opposite church) 1st

then church

[lucid olive]

probably depends on what CDs are available etc

[drifting nova]

back of church, side of church whatever

but church second? heresy

[minor umbra]

Didn’t know it got updated rip

[safe egret]

raidbots is telling me to use masterful emeralds instead of quick onyx, but yall seem to hate haste so i'm a little confused

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXYmnFaycwDw9NS2Kg1eki

[lucid olive]

you dont have 4pc

[safe egret]

that'll make all the difference?

[lucid olive]

you also barely selected other gems

[safe egret]

i selected them all and then unselected ones it threw out to try again with some other stuff

[lofty depot]

u also dont have max colors selected

[lucid olive]

dont have replace existing enabled either

[safe egret]

i dont have any existing so

[lucid olive]

but yes when you get 4pc it looks different

youre also not playing keeper

which is the hero tree that doesnt like haste

EC loves haste

[safe egret]

okay gotcha

uh i cant really sim with "max colors", it's way too many iterations. converting my helm and chest to catalyst still has it selecting emeralds. should i go onyx for when i raid or just stick to emeralds for when i EC in mythics?

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3zQrQAgTG4tFvLzvGQ2ffy

this is if you catalyst head and shoulders to 4pc

and play keeper

[safe egret]

okay thanks a bunch

secondary question, i have a crit/haste belt that eventually sims better than DISC belt at hero 6/6. worth upgrading or wait for a better belt to drop and stick with DISC.
also wtf am i supposed to do with all the garbage purple gear i get from mythics?

[lucid olive]

if a hero 6/6 belt without a socket sims better you're using the wrong power in the DISC belt

i wouldn't waste gilded crests on a belt anyway

[safe egret]

i'm using electric current

[lucid olive]

get some hero track head/chest/shoulder/legs/hands and send gilded on those

with hands as lowest prio of those

[safe egret]

okay. i've been waiting for them to drop T.T

so armor > belt, what about rings, before or after belt?

[lucid olive]

belt is very low prio until the .5 patch comes out with the DISC belt nerfs

[safe egret]

got it, thank you

[safe hedge]

Hi. Do I always want to use Masterful Emerald, or Quick Onyx gems? My sim is showing other gems would be better.

[lofty depot]

u dont "always use" specific gems

u do however always sim gems to see which is best

[safe hedge]

Ok. Thanks for the tip.

[fading marten]

do you guys have a recommended Custom APL for simming boomkin?

[lofty depot]

why do u need a custom one

[dense steeple]

arctic

PILOT ARAZ FOR ME THANKS BYE

caps lock

[lucid olive]

What's wrong with the default APL

[dense steeple]

hes better than you duh

[lofty depot]

im gonna be spamming starfall all night

to try and not push araz faster

need 2nd amp

[digital berry]

yeah its going to be harder and harder to get both amps

[silk shard]

for 2 min, before convoke is back up, is it better to hold trees and incarn?

[fading marten]

nothing - just checking to see if you guys have something you recommend. if that's the default apl, so be it.

[lucid olive]

Are there specs that recommend custom APLs over their default commited one

And if there are why aren't they commited

[drifting nova]

always forget when vault

is out or

[lucid olive]

20 minutes

Look at your m+ keystone item and it has a timer for when reset is

[drifting nova]

building up my disappointment immediately

then I'd have to logon

and why do that

[digital berry]

is there a way to ensure you have 2 ng on pull on soulhunters?

istg i always start with either 1 or 0

[true viper]

bruh

[kind wind]

I tried to buy a normal forge trinky tonight for half a mil and the guy said no dice. I am down bad for this trinket haha. Praying for my mythic vault next week.

[lofty depot]

WERE SO BACK

[kind wind]

So back

[normal pilot]

nerf bamkin

[lofty depot]

holy shit were running an aug

i didnt see fuck

[hollow birch]

if only we didnt private log gg onto dimensius

[lofty depot]

HE STOLE MY DAMAGE

[digital berry]

private logging smh

[drifting nova]

scared or something?

[hollow birch]

terrified yeah

[drifting nova]

quaking

[slender island]

woohoo it's socket week again baby, love this game

[digital berry]

hyuge

[drifting nova]

can you stop

[jade drift]

bro let them open up this log

so my guilds can check that boomkin > feral now

Poggers

[hollow birch]

if I asked my raid lead to do it for a reason like that I think he might delete the log to spite me 💀

[dry sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v2rujXYUJ8j6xESHQ2oX8v

[jade drift]

btw, which talents u used?

[dry sonnet]

wallahi sims are lying

[jade drift]

im starting the prog on nexus king this week

[hollow birch]

same thing as the top log basically

[lofty depot]

why r u summing aoe talents

[jade drift]

so basically ST

[hollow birch]

yeah

[dry sonnet]

ufff

good call xD

[jade drift]

k ty ❤️

[dry sonnet]

half a sleep still kekw

[fluid nest]

Is this CA clipping worth doing regardless of ur on-use trinket?

[craggy sonnet]

uhhm

[digital berry]

fuck off

[hollow birch]

break the mold, go crystal

[craggy sonnet]

its not a loss at least

what trinket do you have?

[dry sonnet]

jeez

[fluid nest]

Lily

[digital berry]

i do have both but only antenna myth track

[craggy sonnet]

signet is much better for kotg

cuz you can fit both buffed surges into the trinket duration

[trail hinge]

is this a bait sim? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1NEThRdJW3rfcL8BoMwgUg

[dry sonnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1o5WcAYh2rrQrUXG6XBKGh

[fluid nest]

Sure, that’s obtainable. But even then, I assume the clipping is still worth it? Basically what am I asking is does it require Forge

[craggy sonnet]

it does not

[fluid nest]

👍

[dry sonnet]

why does crystal sim 20k ish better then parapodia bro

[craggy sonnet]

enticing

why not?

parapodia not as good for kotg

has haste

[craggy sonnet]

is this a wait for reclear angle?

[digital berry]

do you need both?

[silk shard]

damn

[lofty depot]

pretty baity

[trail hinge]

rerunning

[craggy sonnet]

yes

no antenna, only hero forge

[tawny cloud]

Which part of our set is best to swap out? Shoulder?

[trail hinge]

head afaik

[craggy sonnet]

ye

[trail hinge]

its heavy haste

[craggy sonnet]

nah, shoulders

well .. both are fine prolly

[trail hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nop2SyUfErnkHEBfCvTJYS is this still baity

[dry sonnet]

the question is should i take the legs crit/mastery they also are pretty good on the sim :S or crystal got the feeling i will get a better trinket from raid anyhow :S

[craggy sonnet]

but shoulders are easily available from raid

[craggy sonnet]

just take legs and cata them eventually

crystal aint bad

but its not the best

[dry sonnet]

hmm

[lofty depot]

yes crafting legs is baity

this is pretty baity

this pretty baity

[delicate perch]

[trail hinge]

whats wrong with the wrists ;-;

[trail hinge]

forgot to switch back after m+ oops lol

[delicate perch]

you spent 30 crests to get like 5 stat

[trail hinge]

oh just upgrading wrists?

[signal meteor]

for the new double CA rotation, i can't tell if i'm doing something wrong or if my WA tracking the dryad buff is messing up, but do you not have the 2nd CA buff for both of the 2nd round of empowered starsurges?

[delicate perch]

also not crafting tbh

[trail hinge]

i was afk last week, didnt craft. looking at what to craft this week literally with this sim lol

[trail hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rnAZdj7xEt2stCRYgEiWhh simmed an extra 15k dps swapping the belt

[craggy charm]

When do you guys pop your trinkets during the opener? w/ CA? w/ treants?

[craggy sonnet]

uhhhm .. the dryad is coupled to the use of CA

its always auto fading 10s after you press it

(unless you cancel early with another CA)

[signal meteor]

ah okay maybe i misunderstood the new opener then

[craggy charm]

Was that changed recently?

[craggy sonnet]

with ca

[signal meteor]

i thought that you were supposed to hit the 2nd CA the moment after convoke channel was done which still left like about 2 secs left on 1st CA

[craggy sonnet]

nah thats right

[signal meteor]

err like 3-4 secs left on 1st CA and like a second left on dryad window

[craggy sonnet]

it should be way more on the dryad window

not sure what you are doing before pressing convoke

but yes

you do go into 2nd ca early

[humble mauve]

may sound like a weird quetion but anyone have issues with putting the 2h staff into raidbots?

[signal meteor]

was hitting trees->CA-> 2-3 starsurges to get below 40 asp-> 2nd CA

but with only 2-3 starsurges i was ending up with hitting the 2nd CA with like 1.5sec left on the first dryad buff

so i guess is it that the new rotation basically doesn't worry about delaying the trees because the 24% buff isn't worth overlapping with the first set of empowered starsurges?

[craggy sonnet]

it is

[trail hinge]

you still delay if you dont have double CA

[craggy sonnet]

you want trees for the surges

the favor surges

[normal pilot]

trees are your real CD, they're what you maximize

CA uptime you don't really care about

[craggy sonnet]

but if you are doing it without lust, you likely want to only double surge

[normal pilot]

ya you're spending too much time casting shit in CA

CA's just used to spawn the dryad

you don't really care much about casting spells inside it

[craggy sonnet]

i mean

we dont want to push this tooo far

its not that bad

[delicate perch]

ca is kinda beans though

[normal pilot]

it's only 15%

[craggy sonnet]

its also boat

[normal pilot]

it's better than nothing but it's awful

[craggy sonnet]

true

[normal pilot]

and boat decay just makes it even less improtant to maximize casting spells inside

just try with only 2 ss + conv if you don't have lust and you'll ahve plenty of time to fit things into the treant window

[signal meteor]

gotcha - so with the trees being dropped before, that starts 10 secs of harmony of the grove buff, and the goal is basically to do starsurges to spend some asp and then convoking and then hitting the 2nd CA with enough time to overlap harmony buff with new CA + 2 starsurges right?

[lofty depot]

THHER FERALS ARE DONE

WE SHALL RISE

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[signal meteor]

the thing i'm confused on i guess is that it looks like then when i enter that 2nd CA window, the 2nd CA buff is only like 10 seconds and so it runs out before i can use it on the 2nd set of empowered starsurges

[craggy sonnet]

you can basically full dump after pressing 2nd CA

[signal meteor]

it might just be my weakauras though

[craggy sonnet]

fit some more surges into trees

oh, that sounds weird

[normal pilot]

it's 12s you always have enough time to cast both

[pliant echo]

Those Balance buffs putting in work.... 1.5m DPS less than a destro lock in pure single target with the same parse

it was 2m last week! 💪

[signal meteor]

k cool i think it's gotta be my WA tracking CA then just only showing 10 secs and bugging out or something

[ruby thunder]

Was seeing the exact same thing dunno if auras is off but get dryad at same time as CA falls

will check tomorrow

[normal pilot]

maybe you guys are both using the same WA pack?

[signal meteor]

yeah for whatever reason it's showing that when i activate that 2nd CA, it's a 10 second duration and the dryad buff is a 10 sec duration

[ruby thunder]

pretty sure my CA had 10.5s duration relog and its 12

[signal meteor]

oh good call

[normal pilot]

maybe it's a new bug you found

[craggy charm]

does the math/timing always line up that popping the 2nd CA after convoke will auto line up w/ your first dyrads dying?

[craggy sonnet]

well..obv depends what you are pressing before the convoke

[craggy charm]

true

[craggy sonnet]

you can fit 3 surges within lust

2 surges without usually

unless you are running some amount of haste

[loud kettle]

id like to think everyone runs some amount of haste

[signal meteor]

tried relogging and same issue - would the dummy in dornogal be different for any reason?

[craggy sonnet]

oh

[signal meteor]

is it worth like going to another city

[craggy sonnet]

pvp dummy

maybe

[ruby thunder]

Hitting raiders one for me anyway

still same issue though it seems

[signal meteor]

yeah same but the pvp one is in range

[craggy sonnet]

go up top

[ruby thunder]

true

[craggy sonnet]

to the solo one

[normal pilot]

oh ya you get fucked by pvp

[ruby thunder]

CA Starfall proc

hits them

so thats prob it

[upper anvil]

antenna in keys kinda fun ngl, i do wish you can make them more noticeable since that shit is rough to see 💀

[ruby thunder]

thats why CA shows 10.5 i guess when i got into PVP combat

[tardy hare]

awww yis 2x offhands and bracers on m+ vault

[signal meteor]

okay confirmed

[ruby thunder]

yea fine without xD

pepega

[signal meteor]

found a new bug - my brain is full of stupid

[upper anvil]

is it a bug or a feature

[signal meteor]

pvp yet again ruining retail

[humble mauve]

for clarification purposes there's been no major changes with the buff>

besides what's stated in pins i.e. stats or talent nodes

[sour void]

Is CA shorter duration in pvp?

[signal meteor]

apparently lol

[ruby thunder]

yea xD, well it goes from 12 > 10.5 when in combat with pvp dummy

shows on tooltip too

[normal pilot]

whirling get nerfed in pvp

you lose 30% duration

[ruby thunder]

ahh makes sense

[cedar pumice]

another week, another shitty vault 😄

[sudden pawn]

@wicked shuttle i reached 5.8 like i said....................

[sudden pawn]

deadass??

[wicked shuttle]

ya

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/X4E7.gif

[sudden pawn]

[tawny cloud]

Anyone had issues with atenna that when you go for orbs they drift away from you?? 😅

[craggy sonnet]

you smell funny

[upper anvil]

Funny you smell

[west breach]

Hey, I'm pretty new to balance druid and was wondering if the recent balance changes changed how good the JoE trinket is for us???

[upper anvil]

Whats joe

[west breach]

https://tenor.com/view/yuimetal-gif-2236335851178412850

[west breach]

JOE MAMA

[drifting nova]

[round field]

Damn

[upper anvil]

I know a joe. And his mom

Ironically

Man I should do the joe mama joke to him tomorrow

[smoky remnant]

not that im complaining

[delicate perch]

I am

[smoky remnant]

but why did i get myth chest from vault if we didnt down fractilus on myth

[delicate perch]

is... it in the dungeon tab?

[smoky remnant]

no

[delicate perch]

[smoky remnant]

we wiped on fractilus on 1% last night

but we didnt down it

[craggy sonnet]

you can get any tier in vault

doesnt matter if you killed boss

[delicate perch]

oh ya I forgot they added that

[sudden pawn]

im reeling from that joe mama joke

i fell out of my chair

[smoky remnant]

ah

[upper anvil]

It was all planned. At least I made someone laugh

[round field]

This has been a thing since shadowlands...

[smoky remnant]

interesting

but friends does the robot take into consideration the renwown 6 track from manaforge omega?

[delicate perch]

was it that long ago

[round field]

Yes

[craggy charm]

So do we even bother casting a starfire after our dots during the opener or just 2x wrath > dots> treats+CA+trinkets+pots?

[craggy sonnet]

after dots?

[craggy charm]

yea

[turbid nacelle]

u can squeeze starfire before the dots

[craggy sonnet]

you never did that

[turbid nacelle]

while wraths in the air

[craggy sonnet]

you can 3x cast precombat

3x wrath or 2x wrath + starfire

[craggy charm]

the dreamgrove rotational guide said to do so

before the recent changes

[urban crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-vince-mcmahon-gif-20562072

[craggy sonnet]

are you sure?

[round field]

It definitely didnt say after the dots

Ur just making shit up

[craggy charm]

ah nvm said to do starfire before dots

[delicate perch]

[craggy charm]

but anways, that's now taken out or are we still doing that?

[round field]

Its a free starfire

Why not

[frozen solar]

So are we meta yet or do I cont hate-gearing my havoc? 😉 been on holiday this whole week I’m outta da loop

[delicate perch]

book another holiday

[frozen solar]

Word

[craggy charm]

why does it feel like I'm waiting forever for my 2nd CA charge to come back up for my 3rd convoke?

[delicate perch]

jks boomkin is fine

[craggy charm]

by the time I'm getting around to my 3rd convoke, my 2nd CA is still 40 sec off from my 2nd convoke

[craggy sonnet]

because you are playing grove insp instead of potent

[frozen solar]

Ye even before I felt fine in 15s and in raid on frac etc but man the DECLINED simulator was getting very real in LFG

[craggy sonnet]

and the natural grove sequence would be 2-1-1-2 CAs

[delicate perch]

pugging m+ is a form of self harm please don't talk about that

[craggy charm]

ah that's why I could never line up w/ the lorggs tonight

[frozen solar]

I k I swear I try to socialize and find ppl to not pug but it’s harrrd

[craggy charm]

was doing m plexus and just felt horrible sitting on convoke for 40 sec

[delicate perch]

healer kekkers so useful, give arctics orange name to him

[craggy sonnet]

lets not go back there

[delicate perch]

[drowsy basin]

I got randomly called in to help as a backup resto main into nexus king as boomy, does anyone have any specific tips besides just copy someone's cd timings?

[wide dawn]

I still hate KOTG tier set but does boomie looks better than cat now ?

[lyric thicket]

Hi mate 🙂
how can i sim all soleah trinket buff pls ?

[lofty depot]

@craggy sonnet

[craggy sonnet]

oofs

big numby

good try?

[lofty depot]

MY FOOD BUFF FELL OFF

105m next time for sureeeeeeeeeeeeeee

go from that to this

tragic

[lyric thicket]

nop 😢 but we are ok now

[sick terrace]

got soulhunter boots without killing the boss in vault

feels so good

[trail oyster]

was looking at the static sims for food and flask and it looks like lowest secondary and chaos is missing an = after copy
https://www.dreamgrove.gg/static/sims/foodandflask.txt

[dreamy locust]

Yo, think im being forced into boomy scuff for dimensius, do you just play full ST talent?

or just st + twin moon?

[lofty depot]

think adept did twin moons

@clever vigil

[pallid bay]

you'd want twin moons for platforms

[lofty depot]

he went to sleep an hour ago

but i assume its just twin swap for nb and should be good

[pallid bay]

never trust treants to dot anything without twin moons

[lofty depot]

oh and cosmos for uh crashing i assume

but thats up to u

[dreamy locust]

We only seen platform 1 like 3 times

but honestly, I feel like nullbinders = not my problemo

dont they die in like 5 seconds

[clever vigil]

they should die fast, probably not that important tbh

i just like having it for the platforms and voidwardens and shit i am not trusting trees to do anything

[crude void]

araz?

[lofty depot]

yee

[crude void]

I somehow managed to do a worse log on Myth sentinel then last week so buff boomie?

[lofty depot]

we skipped 2nd amp

s oyea

[crude void]

wtf

I did a 92 parse on Soulbinder and I didnt even see myself on details

fabolous

[pallid bay]

first boomkin has killed the boss

me praying for his downfall wasnt enough..

[ionic surge]

Why would you do that

[lofty depot]

had to snipe it from him

[pallid bay]

you deserve nothing if you inject yourself as a boomkin on that boss

[clever vigil]

[pallid bay]

they would have been better off

as him playing a guardian druid dps build

[normal pilot]

100% surrounded by greys as it should be

[ionic surge]

Chad is all im seeing

[night gulch]

thats going to be my pov soon

im ready to do tank damage on dimmy

[pallid bay]

you might think that at least he did well in the amp

[ionic surge]

Also Tomelvis played in the first guild I got CE with so im happy to see him winning

[pallid bay]

not particularly

[clever vigil]

it looks like he cd’d 2nd platform so his amp was probably chopped

i am on mobile tho so i actually cant tell

[pallid bay]

ya

[severe yacht]

Question has the when to use Convoke conditions change since the buff?

Either that or I was misunderstanding it previously lol

[dreamy locust]

EU doesnt have buff yet

GG

shoulda sandbagged to kill it tomorrow

[dreamy locust]

pin explains

[river galleon]

Damn it hurts that i have to decide between items due to raid progress or mythic+ (for EC Sin Stained myth track). Also i have Momma's neck for KoTG cuz it scales better. Shoulders are mythic track and will be upgraed today.

[severe yacht]

I meant the part about using Convoke when you have trees up, for some reason I thought you held it for CA

Previously but could be wrong

[dreamy locust]

Yes, you want CA for convoke

always, unless boss will die

[pallid bay]

their prog was

something

3x sub 1% wipes

[bronze torrent]

Already wearing a better Myth Neck, got crafted weapon ...

[severe yacht]

I read this as you Convoke if you have FoN up

[fossil hemlock]

Now read the FoN line

You follow the prio top down, and trees and CA are way before convoke in the prio list

[severe yacht]

Oki

[dreamy locust]

Honestly, druid compendium is hard to absorb the info sometimes

For idiots like myself

[delicate perch]

If you’re progging mythic taking m+ items this early is so troll

[severe yacht]

It's a great resource I'm just a smooth brain lol

But I try and work it out

[dreamy locust]

Yeah I have same problem, sometimes its hard to like, understand prio lists on compendium, most accurate info just hard to process

Somewwhat

[still delta]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ghj4wDG3Tf7bQc8z?fight=20&type=damage-done&source=5

Could someone please look at my Araz logs? I seem to be absolutely terrible on this fight and I'm unsure why.. Think I'm fucking up my CA/Convoke window?

[river galleon]

Nooo i won't take anything before raid.

[pallid bay]

it's hard to like, translate an APL into something that makes sense without dumbing it down to where you lose important details

[severe yacht]

I don't even know what an APL is 😂

[pallid bay]

the APL for CDs can be like 20 conditions and you need to condense it to "use convoke if treants and CA are up"

[severe yacht]

But I try and press my buttons in the correct order

[fossil hemlock]

Action Priority List, what simcraft uses to determine each action

[pallid bay]

[severe yacht]

Thanks

[fossil hemlock]

You should have a look at lorrgs.io for common CD timings

I don't think that CA at 2 minutes is good at all

[dim phoenix]

Unlucky vault had to choice this one...

[delicate perch]

Awww no 🙁

[fossil hemlock]

You should also have a look at the compendium, you're not doing the new and better opener

[delicate perch]

[fossil hemlock]

Actually your opener is bad in multiple ways

You're not using the surges from the first dryad to buff the second dryad

[still delta]

you mean the double CA change?

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah, where you trees before CA

[still delta]

Yeah, I noticed that my CA has run out when I get the 2nd dryad buff for the 2x star surge.. is that cause I'm pressing 2nd CA too late into the first CA?

[dim phoenix]

im having a hard time understanding our stat prio, is this always correct for single target raid? And is there any soft cap for haste? I have 8% haste in boomy form is that to low? is there a big different between mastery crit etc?

[fossil hemlock]

This opener is wrong, but if you were to do it like this you would still want the 2nd CA at about 16 seconds instead of 18 when you cast it

[fossil hemlock]

Well the new opener is different altogether but yes you want to use the 2nd CA very early and cut the 1st CA short

Even more so now with the new opener

[still delta]

Ah okay, thank you. I only got my 4p last week too so have been learning the 4p opening for that raid only 😄

[fossil hemlock]

This is what it should look like on your double CA burst windows

[still delta]

Ohhh okay, i didn't realise you hit the CA straight after convoke - thank you 🙂

[fossil hemlock]

And then when you only have a single CA you would still do the old "ca->2x surge->trees->convoke" setup

[dim phoenix]

since when do we end ca early for second ca? I was checking all top logs and didnt see people do it?

[fossil hemlock]

You always did, but even more so now after some optimizations was done

[jaunty blaze]

Since it was found out to sim better

[dim phoenix]

okey thanks

[fossil hemlock]

Previously you ended CA 2 seconds early (when dryad buff naturally ended), now you end it after convoke which is like a good 6 seconds early

[still delta]

Yah dude that shit feels so odd 🤣

[fossil hemlock]

But number go up

[pure finch]

Feel like only good pick is basically socket. Signet is a DPS-loss and gives me 2x on use - Any other takes?

[lofty depot]

oh good

[pallid bay]

thats a socket

[lofty depot]

🙂

[fossil hemlock]

I was gonna say the belt isn't awful, but it's not mythic so unluggy

[dim phoenix]

Does someone have input on this?

[pure finch]

exactly, so socket we go

[fossil hemlock]

Let raidbots handle it

The priority changes based on how much you have of each stat

If you have 30k mastery and 0 crit, crit skyrockets in value, as an example

[dim phoenix]

but people say stat weights dont work?

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dog-cook-fish-gif-10102414190813837425

[dim phoenix]

So how do i know?

[latent light]

kris for raid vs staff for m+/resto offspecc 🤔

[fossil hemlock]

You use topgear, not stat weights

[lofty depot]

haste not good

mastery + crit/vers

get with it

[dim phoenix]

Thanks and then i try to sim what to socket?

[lofty depot]

neither, ring >

[lofty depot]

yes

[dim phoenix]

so mastery is bis and crit/vers equal kinda like a rule of thumb?

[stone ledge]

Somehow mythic void glass staff is still a upgrade according to my clanker

[lofty depot]

shore

i ahve 4700 haste now :/

[stone ledge]

Yeah I’m about the same

[fossil hemlock]

Int is good

[stone ledge]

Ints the same I have mythic staff from m+ 🙂

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2TKABQk3Z8E21R5HFzWS7P yert

[latent light]

ring simmed lowest 😄

[lofty depot]

yea but u know random chance.... farmable hmmamdmfmdsamfds

[dim phoenix]

i have 4900

[lofty depot]

dinar kris in 4 weeks or somethingggggggggggggggggggg never see ring again

have to craft hmammmhhhmh

its probably take kris tho :/

[latent light]

yeah, took kris, got good rings

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sks9wjf6HCkBgW7d53b8jK

[latent light]

can get ring from first boss in raid

[lofty depot]

WHTTTTTTTTTTT

THJE

THIS GUY IS LOOTED

[fossil hemlock]

Oh you have the haste staff, so you're effectively trading 900 crit for mastery and gaining the (small) cantrip effect

Makes sense to me

[latent light]

xD

[livid jay]

i just came back from vacation and im not sure if i like this or not

[stone ledge]

only 714 "looted"

[stone ocean]

can anyone see any optimization i can do ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kV8XgWLihmAi8KamXKMRhe

[stone ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/82qLi1zGTf74qJVkiyyjKC legit just tier set upgrades, voidglass staff, and glorptenna left

i guess waist from 1st boss, then king neck

[latent light]

yeah you´re doing great buddy

[fossil hemlock]

Kris should be better, but you don't have an off-hand so it's not simming it

[stone ledge]

id say cata the legs to drop haste

[stone ocean]

You think ?

[stone ledge]

well

are you focusing on raiding

or m+

[stone ocean]

Riading

raiding

[stone ledge]

then you want minimal haste

ofc sim it first

[stone ocean]

Just simmed the cata says its a dps loss

you are right 100% need to drop some haste

[fossil hemlock]

How?

[stone ocean]

just saying that the sim is saying

[stone ledge]

link the sim

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah but I just also simmed it and it was a (small) gain

[terse tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nPdg7EykmmMGRykuAtLEBn

[stone ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5L45Dh5oNgMsySDrCdALaM

this is the sim

[terse tartan]

poo poo again

[stone ocean]

Cooked take the socket

[terse tartan]

took socket last week

we taking shit for ilvl at this point

[fossil hemlock]

What ilvl, they're 707

[terse tartan]

mythic track

[fossil hemlock]

Do you see what this is missing?

[terse tartan]

its not mythic track

[fossil hemlock]

Not you, the other guy

[dire osprey]

what am i witnessing

716?

[stone ocean]

its not simming the enchant

[stone ledge]

ye

[dire osprey]

insanity

[fossil hemlock]

Brother I just checked your sim again, you're not simming with catalyzing the DH boots, are you?

[delicate perch]

[stone ledge]

do a top gear without switching other options and just cata the legs instead of simming multiple things

[terse tartan]

is 716 crazy? doesnt even look like he was fed gear?

[echo field]

sorry if this is somewhere already, is there a weakaura that lets me know if I hit max damage in dryad? I know it's something times spellpower - is there a way to track? or if anyone has the fomula i just want to make sure i"m hitting cap

[stone ledge]

just good vaults

[fossil hemlock]

There is, but the cap is super low so you don't really need to track it

The cap is 30% of your int

[terse tartan]

ive legit had 1 piece out of 4 vaults now 😄

[royal zenith]

that's 25%

decent I'd say

[fossil hemlock]

Better than 0 for sure

[delicate perch]

my only good vault was dagger this week

[royal zenith]

exactly

[stone ledge]

1 myth hand token, forge

[royal zenith]

the forever complaining about vault when it's supposed to be an extra...

[delicate perch]

and I can't even use it

[royal zenith]

typical wow players...

[terse tartan]

its not an extra though

its not built as an extra

[delicate perch]

how is it not

[royal zenith]

it is

[stone ledge]

got 2h staff 1st m+ vault, mythic chest 2nd, soul hunter boots 3rd, mythic ring 4th

[royal zenith]

in before M+'er take

[terse tartan]

cause i cant go out and farm m+ and get higher gear?

[royal zenith]

there we go

[terse tartan]

its legit a weekly reward

[royal zenith]

you can also raid mythic

[delicate perch]

yea m+ is also an extra so

[stone ledge]

and ive planned out my guilded since week 1

[delicate perch]

gg minigame

[lofty depot]

its not 30% int... its 10x your int

[delicate perch]

I'm taking off int gear so I reach the cap faster

[fossil hemlock]

Sorry I wrote it wrong, the damage is 30% of int

[stone ledge]

people out here doing 1 row of mythic and im over here doing 32 keys a week 🤡

[lofty depot]

what

[terse tartan]

is raiding not an extra?

[delicate perch]

both mentally insane 🤝

[terse tartan]

yeah thats how many i used to do when i didnt have a life 😭

[fossil hemlock]

It's early okay I'm writing it wrong

[royal zenith]

raiding is the main content for wow

[stone ledge]

full time job and gf its called time management stop coping 🙂

[royal zenith]

and always has been

and will never change

unfortunate

for you..

[stone ledge]

I wish m+ was better

[terse tartan]

my 60hr weeks vs your 38hr weeks and i have a social life...

[night gulch]

whats the point of doing 32 keys a week after you have all of your hero pieces

its a waste of time

[terse tartan]

but who gives a shit fam

[delicate perch]

fellowship out soon, dw m+

[night gulch]

unless you enjoy m+

[echo field]

so like 0.3 of my intellect...is like 38k.....wtf....i can see how changing this from health to spellpower make it less god tier and more earthling level

[stone ledge]

w fellowship

[night gulch]

the cap is 10x spellpower, not whatever that guy said

[stone ledge]

you are probably sitting in que for pugs instead of playing in a group my guy that alone cuts your key time by 1/3rd if not more

[terse tartan]

i work 12hr days.

i do like 2 keys and then i eat food and go to bed

[delicate perch]

what an odd hill to die on

would you want someone who did 1 hours work to get the same pay as you

[terse tartan]

cunts do everyday.

[latent light]

man you are such a good boy

[stone ledge]

always better jobs out there

[delicate perch]

gg

[terse tartan]

but what?

[stone ledge]

bark

[terse tartan]

i like my job.... and play as much wow as i want to

what are we even arguing about?

[stone ledge]

idk

[terse tartan]

oh right

[stone ledge]

im supposed to be sleeping

[delicate perch]

it's 5pm bud

wake up

lock in

[latent light]

nothing, just a lot a self promoting

[terse tartan]

you had to tell us all how cool you are for doing 32 dungeon

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[royal zenith]

I feel like there needs to be a bit more emotion in this conversation

let it rip

[terse tartan]

you started it

[delicate perch]

OCE time?

[stone ledge]

too tired for emotion my guy

[royal zenith]

I would never!!

[terse tartan]

calling my m+s side content

[royal zenith]

hahaha

[stone ledge]

it is

[terse tartan]

and vault optional

[royal zenith]

well it is

[delicate perch]

leave my minigame ALONE @vital hound

[royal zenith]

but yeah for you it's not

[terse tartan]

bro set shit on a fire and got the popcorn

[royal zenith]

it's the best

[terse tartan]

i dont know how yall can do raids all season

[stone ledge]

theres guilds that get ce without touching m+

ofc they arent good

[delicate perch]

[stone ledge]

but is an otion

[royal zenith]

well you technically only raid 6 to 9 hours a week

[terse tartan]

i get bored after attempt 10 on a boss

[night gulch]

aint no way you're saying you don't know how we do raids while you do keys all season

its the same thing

[delicate perch]

nah keys get way worse later on

[night gulch]

so does raid

[royal zenith]

I think if you do keys every evening it's like 3hrs * 7

[night gulch]

farm is the most boring shit in the world

[delicate perch]

raid is quick in and out at least

[royal zenith]

so you spend a lot more time doing (shit) content

[stone ledge]

but you will run the same keys for 6 months gambling for mythic loot that always will be a socket and inferior to raid loot?

[terse tartan]

i do 10s fam i dont do 16+

i dont play 7 days a week deux lolol

[delicate perch]

8 keys ends up longer than reclear

[royal zenith]

that's what they all say

you seem like a wow addict....

[stone ledge]

i am a wow addict

[terse tartan]

i was a wow addict...

[delicate perch]

10s is not helping your argument tbh

[royal zenith]

[delicate perch]

at least do bigger keys

[terse tartan]

now i barely can be bothered to go for 3 slots

[stone ledge]

yeah at least do 12s those are rookie numbers

[delicate perch]

[stone ledge]

lets go delay that socket to every other week

[terse tartan]

my version of wow isnt like yours fam

[night gulch]

doings 10s only is some demon shit tbh

at least do 12s for dinars

[stone ledge]

i think it might be the same

[terse tartan]

i play on a bean bag in the living room while watching tv shows.

the f is a dinar?

[stone ledge]

oh lord

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-race-car-bed-simpsons-gif-11553741

idk why but you saying it made me think of mihouse's dad

[stone ledge]

did you play s2?

[terse tartan]

my misses plays wow, and hangsout with me while i play n we watch shows togethrs

doings 10s with my wife.

yall jealous 🙂

[delicate perch]

no race car bed though?

gg

[stone ledge]

gg

go next

[quiet drift]

Winning

[ionic surge]

Fuggn casual . Get a higher io wife

[delicate perch]

why'd he list the beanbag first..

[echo field]

sorry to ask a dumb question....how to i find my spellpower? lol apologies

[delicate perch]

is that more important than the wife?

[stone ledge]

are title wives considered a trophy wife?

[delicate perch]

me, my beanbag (and wife I guess)

[night gulch]

its your int

[stone ledge]

beanbagging with the wife in our weekly +10 no leaver #vibez

[terse tartan]

wasnt trying to flex on you fam

[echo field]

so dryad caps at 0.1 x 128k ish?

[terse tartan]

was trying to point out that i casually play this game and dont take it very seriously

[night gulch]

its 10 times 128k

1.28mil

[stone ledge]

nothing wrong with being a casual

[royal zenith]

you're seriously invested in this convo defending yourself though!!

[minor swift]

Such a hasty vault ugh

[royal zenith]

:)

[echo field]

ok, that makes way more sense - thought it capped at 10% spellpower not 10xs spellpower

[whole cedar]

how are we símming for dungeons?

[stone ledge]

just dont be shocked when asking for help from people who take things alot more serious to do things you probably dont enjoy

[night gulch]

nah, we'd even be worse than we currently are and thats saying something

[echo field]

lmao, thank you for the help:) appreciate it

[night gulch]

yeah np

[terse tartan]

GO TO SLEEP

[stone ledge]

no 🙂

[terse tartan]

what did i ask you anyway?

like honestly what are you even saying

https://tenor.com/view/when-i-ask-a-question-and-all-i-get-are-tumble-weeds-and-crickets-gif-27619441

[misty patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-rage-bait-jarvis-clip-that-jarvis-meme-gif-11046632004782930587

[stone ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/ladies-and-gentleman-we-got-him-gif-12313683

[terse tartan]

fam i posted a 3 slot vault and you lost your shit

cope. ❤️

[stone ledge]

nah you were saying 4 vaults only 1 piece of gear, meanwhile im getting mythic reclears for 1-2 vaults on top of mythic+ 🙂

[terse tartan]

oh right

someone was like 716 is "insanity"

[stone ledge]

and then you complained about only getting 1 upgrade from m+

[terse tartan]

and im like 708 with 120 crests and 1 piece out of 4 weeks

[stone ledge]

optional gamemode optional upgrades

[vital hound]

N O

[delicate perch]

why have you not spend crests?

is that a joke or

[terse tartan]

cause im doing 10s.

[delicate perch]

why even take loot at that point

[stone ledge]

hes saving for when his 9th vault isnt a socket

[delicate perch]

ur just doing 10s

[terse tartan]

fr

[delicate perch]

ahh saving them for when he can take 10 items in one week

[terse tartan]

3 chesting 10s on a controller in casual lvl gear

bored shitless

[stone ledge]

m+ boomkin is 6 buttons in the 10 no leaver

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pointless-sad-run-futile-gif-25822185

Why are we arguing

[stone ledge]

whos arguing

[misty patrol]

me

[stone ledge]

fair

continue king

[misty patrol]

Thanks sire

[ionic oak]

omg like can we talk about like the political and economic state of the world right now? can we talk about whats going on with the enviroment?

[terse tartan]

fuck that

[stone ledge]

that goes in off topic

this is the m+ hate channel

[terse tartan]

i come here and play wow to avoid the state of the world.

[ionic oak]

minigame talk?

i think its time i go to sleep then

[stone ledge]

valid crash out gn

[misty patrol]

Hows the buffs feeling guysh

[quiet drift]

Elite ball knowledge

[misty patrol]

Are we back

[minor swift]

Take it offline boys

[stone ledge]

st feels actually playable

aoe is still beans

[minor swift]

/people

[dire osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[stone ledge]

im protesting starfall until kill times are -3

[terse tartan]

how do you guys not crash out when youre on attempt 50 that you learned on the 2nd pull and old mate still keeps fucking up?

[stone ledge]

find people of similar skill level

[minor swift]

I’ll be honest that doesn’t happen

[misty patrol]

50 pulls isn't that bad

[dire osprey]

if its the same guy every time hes already benched

[stone ledge]

50 pulls kekw

[terse tartan]

but the more intense guilds

[misty patrol]

Seems average for that boss no?

[terse tartan]

are like 3 nights of 3hrs of raiding

[minor swift]

Oh yeah forgot Ansurek

[misty patrol]

Or am i turbo delulu

[delicate perch]

3 nighters are trolling

[ionic oak]

3 nights is mild

[stone ledge]

you can find a chill 1 night 2 hour guild that clears heroic and first few mythic in a tier bro

[terse tartan]

• 3 nights of gearing to stay geared for the raids

[delicate perch]

either full send or do 2 nights

that middle ground is so cursed

[minor swift]

This

[terse tartan]

thats what i usually join, but they get those kills with bloated ilvl...

not actual skill

[stone ledge]

exactly

[delicate perch]

do be what it do be

[stone ledge]

but its a start

[minor swift]

“Not actual skill” I thought you were casual

Does casual mean something different in English

[misty patrol]

7 days 12 hours a day

[stone ledge]

you cant join a guild that clears ce in a reasonable time without having some sort of log

[dire osprey]

only really at the start, after that its just do mythic and then run some m+ after raid for vault for us

[terse tartan]

i am. so when im top on the dps... on a controller as boomi...

[misty patrol]

why are you playing on controller lmao

[terse tartan]

why not?

[stone ledge]

we havent gotten to that yet

[ionic surge]

Na 3 nights is fine

[minor swift]

I think he’s attempting to flex

[ionic surge]

3 nights 4h that is

[stone ledge]

once youve cleared mythic its like 1 night a week MAYBE 2 if trials are in trolling

[delicate perch]

ya as long as they kill fast enough

[stone ledge]

then its push m+ or log til reset and touch grass

[delicate perch]

theres a few 3 nighters that lose to me and sheep

that would be so despair

[terse tartan]

no chance any of yall have lives

[stone ledge]

i mean

[dire osprey]

nobody in here touching grass, just playing poe

[stone ledge]

fair

[ionic surge]

If you're hof it should be decent

[minor swift]

1/10 ragebait

This is a WoW discord

[stone ledge]

funny enough i had less of a life when i was playing new world nonstop

[delicate perch]

ya that's fine, guess I more meant the slower 3 nighters

[stone ledge]

wow hits the perfect amount of adhd stigmatism for 3 months and then lets my brain do other things for the other 3

[royal zenith]

is bazr still going on?

man that guy...

[normal silo]

Hello are you able to help me analyze this fight I did (Nishodrood) I can't find why the other boomie (Transend) is doing sensibly more dps than me when we have very similar number of casts and hits + it seems I have higher uptime on lunar eclipse ?
https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kWyP4rj1h7cFG2AY?fight=last&type=damage-done

[minor swift]

I go for AOTC and 2k, then switch to something else. My evenings are very limited haha

[honest citrus]

Hello ! How much of a buff did we really get with those 5% ? Will it matter in ST ? And are the other nerfs oriented to AOE ?

[sudden flame]

4.7%

[minor swift]

Yes

[honest citrus]

Ty for the responses, do you reckon we still need a lot of ST buffs no ? It feels like we’re hitting like a wet noodle

[quiet drift]

What does "adhd stigmatism" mean

Gen question

[stone ledge]

probably tier set proc differences, and which mob you were starfiring

[stone ledge]

idk lol im tired

[lofty depot]

It's 5.5 actually

[royal zenith]

no we dont

[sudden flame]

nerf boomkins what the helly

[royal zenith]

the problem is class design not pure ST damage

[stone ledge]

buff or remove starfall

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-baby-walk-away-walking-away-cart-gif-14030319160412631185

[fossil hemlock]

Well it's 4.7%, we already had the other optimizations before reset

[minor swift]

Agree - what do you think should change?

[royal zenith]

it's a 10.1% buff for me, cause the placebo of buffs makes me play better

and you can't tell me otherwise

[lofty depot]

No the buff c got changed

They rounded up instead of down

[royal zenith]

I dunno, spec needs some rethinking on how to perform better in cleave

[minor swift]

Everyone getting the buff means I still parse the same. I want a targeted buff, just me.

[royal zenith]

more upfront aoe damage

[mighty wasp]

I know some sims are scuffed but is my 665 jastor diamond really simming 2.5% higher than a myth track 705 ring?

[fossil hemlock]

[stone ledge]

we profit from adds living longer for full value of starfall but as people get more geared those adds are dying in like 3 globals which isnt enough to even get half value from starfall

[minor swift]

Too much build up?

[royal zenith]

well yeah

[lofty depot]

Is good.ring

When it doesn't bug

[stone ledge]

like make starfall front loaded aoe

[royal zenith]

you need to dot, spend asp to get enough starfall stacks

all of that

[delicate perch]

classic oce player smh

[royal zenith]

and it's still kinda useless in like forge

[honest citrus]

Can you elaborate a bit ? Like the dps profile is bad or straight out the eclipse system ?

[royal zenith]

if we could rely more on hardhitting starfires, you get more cleave

[quiet drift]

You need to have eclipse and dots even before Starfall

[royal zenith]

but they're generators

[stone ledge]

all dots+ 2x starfall and the mobs were dead after the dots

[quiet drift]

And Starfall itself is low dmg rn anyways

[royal zenith]

yeah

profile is pretty decent

[stone ledge]

so you just starfalled single target for 3/4th of the fall gg should of just surged

[lofty depot]

Fractilly feels better now with our sequencing

Out of eclipse stuff is before wall pushes

[minor swift]

I’ve not played pvp but saw people saying it’s a good class for that - what works there?

[royal zenith]

eclipse system puts at a disadvantage

us *

[stone ledge]

we ended after forgeweaver how many walls/breaks did you get this week

[delicate perch]

is it not just cyclone

[lofty depot]

Pvp is not how most of us interact with the game in here

[royal zenith]

a shitton of talents/passives are also just linked to all the abilities that need ramp or eclipse

[lofty depot]

We haven't rekilled

Cuz my raiders have low iq

[royal zenith]

put up dots, proc eclipse and you finally have boat

[stone ledge]

ah

[royal zenith]

you have to spend asp to get starlord

etc.

[lofty depot]

Speaking of which

@sudden flame only took 6 ilvls and a buff to beat ur r1

Lock in

[sudden flame]

[stone ledge]

i sat soulbinder

[lofty depot]

Keeper gang

[royal zenith]

I hope they delete buffed adds from logs

for soulbinder

[sudden flame]

i legitmately don't think its possible for me to do more damage on this fight

[stone ledge]

i wasted my crit luck on lfr fractillus

[lofty depot]

I Crit 102m on araz and we wiped

I don't want to hear it

[royal zenith]

bet you the type of person that has floating combat text

[stone ledge]

i hit ca when my collector was at 10% thinking oh its time to pump (the back collector was at 40% and we had to dryad surge into it)

[royal zenith]

DiD YoU SeE My CrIT

[lofty depot]

Ur damn right

[uneven grove]

There's a big difference in starfire damage, it can't be because of tier set proc

[lofty depot]

We got no 2nd amp

[fossil hemlock]

Get the classic addon that announces big crits

[lofty depot]

Ggz

[royal zenith]

it doesn't surprise me there's an addon for that

lmao

[stone ledge]

yeah i think the play is just single target next week going forward ngl

fuck the amp send on cd we ball

[lofty depot]

I was spamming starfall

Trying to do no boss dam to extend it

[stone ledge]

ill just line up my 2 minute cds with a add set

trees on amp :_

[lofty depot]

Nah first amp is prime wtf

[stone ledge]

we are probably pushing it during 1st amp next week

another 3%

[sudden flame]

I think we are extending on dimensius because the boss got giga nerfed

[stone ledge]

plus we are having people vantus that arent in on current prog

[lofty depot]

Makes sense

Ok I sleep, gn

[stone ledge]

same

[hybrid glacier]

guys need advice please. i have hc antena but no forge. do i take the forge here or the mythic antena guild is not running hc anymore. Raid only

[ionic oak]

Hurts to see others live your dreams

[fossil hemlock]

There was one to track your high score, but it got broken very quickly on things like TBC flying bomber quests where you did millions of damage

[royal zenith]

[delicate perch]

the sim will most likely want forge

[pallid bay]

[delicate perch]

-# (but sim it)

[sudden flame]

[dire osprey]

pug heroic first anyway

in case it drops

also entire raid wants antenna so when do u think the next chance is u get it?

but yea if u got no forge at all

thats looking juicy

prob wanna do both nm and hc first

before u decide

[hybrid glacier]

ill pug the boss see if i get lucky otherwise ill take forge. 138k dps mythic antena is 55k

[vestal sail]

I'm sure I'm late to the party but just trying to understand the new KOTG optimization - It seems we lose dryad/incarn buff time so is this just because it lets us squeeze one more incarn (hence one more set of sweet big surges) in the fight or smth?

[hybrid glacier]

i use my 2nd incarne jsut after the first 1 drops that way the 2 40m surges go into the next damage calc

[prisma basalt]

Moin guys, do we track GM stacks or just play FoE on cd?

[fossil hemlock]

That's outdated

New rotation is trees->CA->dump astral power->convoke->instant CA

[dire osprey]

if u pop 2nd ca early, first ca dies earlier and gives u dryad buff earlier while ur forge stacks are also still high

then u send boosted surges into 2nd dryad window

[fossil hemlock]

It's not about getting more CAs over a fight, but the double-CA is stronger because of better BOAT usage and less Araz's trinket decay

[vestal sail]

This both makes sense and I hate it at the same time

[dire osprey]

real

[vestal sail]

I wonder if this is also the play on Araz where previously I saw on logs that people were holding cds for the 3:30 amp

[fossil hemlock]

Arctic (and a few others) were already getting 4 empowered surges into the damage amp

[vestal sail]

So still hold the 3rd incarn to double incarn into the amp

[jaunty blaze]

You always did that

Even before the shortened sequence

[fossil hemlock]

Something like that

[vestal sail]

Yeah, was wondering if the shortened sequence changed that

[fossil hemlock]

Preps the first CA during intermission, to aim to have 4 big surges in the damage amp

[jaunty blaze]

Nope

[steel charm]

I was using Afenar wa for moonkin for last few days but somehow my wa is gone from the addon and its referted back to ultimate ap bar, anyone else have had this happen?

like its just gone

[open harbor]

Do we run Grove's Inspiration instead of PE above 3 minute fights? sim says its more than 0,5% upgrade in longer fights

[stone tiger]

Any thoughts on my Vault and what I should pick? I don't mythic raid and I mostly just care about m+ damage.
AoE sim says catalyzed myth track shoulders over myth track Azhiccaran, ST says Hero track Forge over currently equipped myth track Sacbrood

AoE sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ciPdjrnTf8aGX4vSrU8HU1
ST sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAoxSQuYj5bMRZRNkBEULV

[maiden pasture]

ritual forge v good

[stone tiger]

Is it good for m+ tho?

[fossil hemlock]

Do you ever play kotg in m+?

Because if you mostly care about m+ damage and you don't play kotg, I don't see why you simmed a kotg setup

It has vastly different stat and trinket preferences

[stone tiger]

true, and I don't, I play elune

that is, if elune is still superior in m+ after the buffs/nerfs

[fossil hemlock]

I would just run an MDT sim

[slender dragon]

this game is crazy

3rd socket in a row?

[maiden pasture]

no raid box?

[fast tartan]

if someone can confirm if elune is still viable in m+, i don't rly like kotg personnaly 😒

[fossil hemlock]

It didn't get nerfed, why would it not be viable?

[jaunty blaze]

Unplayable surely

[eager parrot]

it did get nerfed by 10% its just overall dmg got buffed by 5%

[jaunty blaze]

Lord help me

[fossil hemlock]

Right so it didn't get nerfed. Last I heard it was a ~3% buff in m+

[eager parrot]

🤦‍♂️

[dry glen]

If we ca early do we still get the buffed starsurges?

[fossil hemlock]

Yes

[round creek]

Dafuq is that? I did only Sentinel and Soulbinder with my guild :S

[fossil hemlock]

Soulbinder is technically 3rd

[obsidian jetty]

soulbinder is boss 3. Gives all 3 bosses

[fossil hemlock]

So unlocks loot from 2nd

[round creek]

It feels weird but yay

[silk shard]

grats tho

[fossil hemlock]

Also one of the reasons people do Fractilus before DHs (aside from it being easier)

[vital hound]

can a knower check if im doing new opener right

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7GpkqcF3rMb8LzJH?fight=8

[shy bay]

Honestly, i discussed the change with multiple people now (opener and CD's every 4 minutes regarding the 2 charges of CA and the new "clipping" of the first charge). I understand, this seems to be a DPS increase based on the sims, but i and everybody i talked to do not understand where this is coming from? Its not coming from Harmony of the Grove, since we were benefitting from it anyway in the original rotation and we are losing globals to feed into the Tset. Is the DPS increase comming from the reduced decay of the Forge?

[delicate perch]

trees/forge/ca stinks who cares

and what do you mean every 4 minutes

[fossil hemlock]

Reduced decay of forge and better boat value is what I heard

[vital hound]

yea boat is sick

[obsidian jetty]

with the new opener you get more value out of treants and BOAT. Almost every GCD in treant window is a surge or convoke, and all of them are at highish boat stacks

[delicate perch]

until they don't crit

[vital hound]

nah man im perma criting

forge feels good

[delicate perch]

[shy bay]

The change cant be about boat, since we have that benefit on the orignal aswell

[fossil hemlock]

Why can't it be?

Boat also decays over time

[delicate perch]

lol

[obsidian jetty]

it is not the same at all

[shy bay]

Cause you are using 2nd CA before sending the 2 tset surges

[delicate perch]

?

[obsidian jetty]

before you tree with 8/16 stack boat, and spend 1 or 2 gcds on a wrath

[void abyss]

whats boat

[fossil hemlock]

Balance of all things

[obsidian jetty]

now you tree before, so 10 stack boat, and every gcd is a surge or voke

[fossil hemlock]

Crit on eclipse