balance

[lofty depot]

Does 4 keys, gets rewarded with poggy neck. Chooses hero araz

[low sigil]

we pop 2nd CA right after convoke even if 1st CA is active?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[dry compass]

i mean im gonna do hero araz and see if i get trink before i take it but

[low sigil]

kk thats how i read it just making sure

[jade drift]

am i wrong that i wanna pick the ring

[lofty depot]

Understandable

[jade drift]

instead of the 2 mythic pieces

cause ring its way harder to get

[lofty depot]

What ring

[low sigil]

didn't that belt get nerfed?

[jade drift]

haste/mastery one, myth track

[lofty depot]

We already did this btw

[polar wharf]

EC or KOTG in M+?

[lofty depot]

Ec

[ionic oak]

EC

[jade drift]

i dont know, i think its easier to get mythic tier pieces than ring or trinkets

and the difference between them its too low

[lofty depot]

Uhh, I mean I'm angry I have mastery haste ring

But yea

[leaden birch]

Took myth legs with leech instead of the myth chest

[lofty depot]

Leech poggy

Tragic tho ye

[leaden birch]

I'm realizing now chest is later in the raid and tier legs drop on loom lmao

[ionic oak]

It be like that

[leaden birch]

Not a huge thing tho

[lofty depot]

Probably fine regardless

Sim 4 color gems btw

[leaden birch]

Just dont see my guild on soul hunters/frac for a minute

[lofty depot]

Fractilly ezpz

Kill Araz get 5/8 same night

[trail hinge]

Dog vault probably

[lofty depot]

Unlike us who ha weakaura issues

[trail hinge]

Neither of those trinkets are worth a damn right?

I have forge parapodia so

[lofty depot]

There's 3 there, so "none" are

Gigazap does some damage now tho

[pallid bay]

are we OP now

[leaden birch]

Is frac easier than hunters?

[pallid bay]

yes

[trail hinge]

Yes

[lofty depot]

Under 10 pulls if u have no weakaura issues

It's the same fight with everyone getting a big circle when walls break

[lofty depot]

Dimmy p1 nerf, surely means u can drop an ele sham

[trail hinge]

Are the hero items even real

[lofty depot]

If it was hero Araz maybe

[trail hinge]

Guild gave me forge already

Antenna might still be better than parapadio tho

[lofty depot]

Giving boomkin a forge

Crazy work

[lofty depot]

Good uptime yes

[dense steeple]

They gave me one

||normal||

[lofty depot]

They gave me 2

[leaden birch]

Ya i got a normal forge

Gave a fdk the hero one

[plain fiber]

Ive got 3 of them

1 of each

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[plain fiber]

Timewalking day 1 of patch, hc first week and then mythic from first mythic vault

GG

[lofty depot]

I thought I was gear fed.

Smh

[plain fiber]

I dont get an yloot in raids

[leaden birch]

Smh my head

[plain fiber]

They didnt give me shit

Just lucky vaults

[lofty depot]

Smh, fed

[plain fiber]

As they should

While the boys are having fun on salaadar im having fun getting declined for every single key for 3 hours

[trail hinge]

literally the only item ive gotten from all of our raid clears

[tawdry oak]

is there a way to find out what my current prefered secondary stats are with my current gear and spec?

[lofty depot]

U sim gear not stats, u go to top gear and sim different gems and enchants

If ur looking for specific gear, u can also run a droptimizer to see what u can farm or what from raid may r

[tawdry oak]

yeah I do that, so if I want to see whatas best in droptimizer, I have to run it a bunnch with each of the secondary stats to see whats best

was just wondering if there was a more optimal way without having to run droptimizer a bunch

[lofty depot]

U can search it on top gear and run it

[merry ibex]

so in the opener now are we hitting 2nd CA before the first ends or after we deal with the dryad buff?

like 2nd CA next global after convoke?

[paper ember]

Yes once convoke ends you ca surge surge

[lofty depot]

When convoke ends u ca surve

[trail hinge]

do you trinket pot the first ca or the second one

[paper ember]

First

[covert coyote]

what is this

[trail hinge]

Loot distribution in my raid

[covert coyote]

whats the app called

[ionic oak]

For reals

[trail hinge]

WowAudit

[covert coyote]

oh wtf

[trail hinge]

syncs with rclc

[ionic oak]

How do you get tot hat loot dist

[trail hinge]

I have to go in every week and submit a sim for the raid items so they know who gets the most out of any item

[urban crescent]

still waiting on half my raid to update their wowaudit

[trail hinge]

but it makes this chart to show loot officers who wants what

[urban crescent]

very very helpful

[ionic oak]

How do you get tot hat loot that loot dist page though

[urban crescent]

esp when you get the wowaudit addon for rclootcouncil

so nice

[trail hinge]

loot history

[urban crescent]

theres a button called History if your loot officer has the wowaudit program installed

[trail hinge]

on the side bar

[drifting nova]

get into a10, tank has oathsworn boosted gear on

[ionic oak]

Oh for sure. I dont see that

[drifting nova]

this'l be good

[trail hinge]

itll show everyone exactly what was given to who, and what % increase it was and shit

[leaden birch]

am I trippin or hwat

[ionic oak]

Yeah i dont see loot history. Thank you

[leaden birch]

I'm doing fon > ca + convoke > ca > surge 2x

but my 2nd ca runs out right as I get my next 2 dryad stax

[merry ibex]

are we still having to do the cringe gameplay of double surging inside the last 2 seconds of CA bc of trees?

[ionic oak]

Yes

[merry ibex]

after opener is done*

i really hate that shit

[leaden birch]

how am i supposed to dump

what am I missing here lmao

[lofty depot]

And then u can import it to rc

[lofty depot]

It's badass

[lofty depot]

??

[leaden birch]

opener changed no?

with 2x ca

[lofty depot]

U were supposed to dump 2 seconds before that

[leaden birch]

brother

[lofty depot]

Yes

[leaden birch]

I just got my stacks

[trail hinge]

but yea ive gotten 1 peice of loot so far this tier

and it was forge

[lofty depot]

?

[leaden birch]

I'm sending my 2nd CA right as convoke ends right?

[trail hinge]

so on one hand and on the other

[lofty depot]

Yes

And u got ur stacks 2 seconds before that picture

[pallid bay]

the trick is to do it earlier

[leaden birch]

i took that pic right as i got the dryad buff

[pallid bay]

are u in pvp or something

[lofty depot]

So video

[pallid bay]

and whirling is 10s or some shit

[leaden birch]

no? I don't think so

[empty girder]

this changed, right?

[pallid bay]

bet your dryad hit pvp dummy

[merry ibex]

so is the opener change just for cd timings?

[pallid bay]

and this is some whirling 10s pvp thing

[lofty depot]

CD sequencing yes

[merry ibex]

lol

[lofty depot]

This old

[empty girder]

Only when you have 2 CA I believe

[pallid bay]

think i'll just spam this on cd

https://www.twitch.tv/tettles/clip/SpotlessInexpensiveFoxHassaanChop-N9Qj-XD_KlyB6HVO

[lofty depot]

I like it ye

[merry ibex]

yeah i get that part, im jsut saying no one came up with this weeks ago?

if it's just for timings

[lofty depot]

No

[merry ibex]

weird

[pallid bay]

its not weird at all

after they nerfed the tierset to be 10x intellect

everyone stopped caring

[lofty depot]

And then some clanker started doing funny stuff

Now he's got me simming nexus command

[low sigil]

where is a purely ST training dummy where I won't dot up other training dummies nearby whenever i convoke?

im horde

[lofty depot]

Belameth

[low sigil]

one where i can also get max range

[silk shard]

i seent tettles use the one at the top of the tower in dorn

but idk if stuff still hits the downstairs targets

[low sigil]

i use that one but i can't get max range there

[paper ember]

Isn't max range really only applicable in raid because its making sure your precast doesnt pull the boss? So on dummies it doesnt actually matter?

[low sigil]

idk i just like to practice that way

[empty girder]

Night fae dummies I believe there's one downhill where you can get max range and it is only one lol

[drifting nova]

why is this chicken in my key doing no dam

[merry ibex]

loaded question i see

[lofty depot]

U don't need to be max range to get prepull casts off

[paper ember]

I was just thinking he's probably referring to the compendium saying to start at max range and Im assuming it says that because it has you precast at 4 seconds before pull. If you precast any closer you're more than likely going to pull prematurely.

[lofty depot]

U can stand somewhere around 30 40 yards

We have no haste now so u cast at 3 it's 1s cast

[paper ember]

True lol

[lofty depot]

Watch em cast 3 wraths

[paper ember]

Bros in there with s2 25k haste

[low sigil]

do we still starfire after the 2 prepull wraths?

or just go straight to moonfire sunfire

[hot lily]

2 wrath starfire moon sun (IF u cd on pull)

1 wrath starfire moon sun starfire (IF u don't cd on pull)

[keen juniper]

how are people dungeon siming these days?

[leaden birch]

k it works now when I'm using the dummy up top

[low sigil]

ok ty just making sure because tettles didn't mention it when he was doing the opener in that twitch link someone posted above

[lucid olive]

cause he started late and you can't start Loomithar at max range

in that case you can just wrath-wrath-wrath

which is what he did

the Starfire in the opener doesn't really matter

[leaden birch]

why can't you start loom at max range

[unkempt citrus]

Hey guys, new to here and new (relatively speaking) to WoW, i got called on to sub for our CE raid team heroic reclear tn, so im just tryna jam knowledge in for tonight.

Honestly I was lowkey gonna ask about opening raid rotation and cd management in raid setting, bytem kinda beat me to it tho…

[leaden birch]

i do it

is it bad?

[lucid olive]

I guess you can idk

doesnt matter

just walk in range during your instant casts anyway

actually the Starfire in opener might not be worth it anymore idk

[pallid bay]

the real opener has a regrowth in it

[lucid olive]

Wrath in Lunar is better than Starfire in Lunar on 1 target

[hot lily]

Regrowth opener is giga

[lucid olive]

and you don't play Cosmos either

[drifting nova]

no

not loaded

very true

[ebon pulsar]

would y'all take a mythic chest or mythic lily?

[pallid bay]

chest

[paper ember]

Chest so I dont have to play with lily lol

[leaden birch]

isn't lily good in m+

[ebon pulsar]

thanks 🙂

[lofty depot]

Let him cook

Anyone doing heroic rekill that can feed me a trinket?

[unkempt citrus]

After Wrath wrath sun/moon incarn - do you typically spend to 0 AP and then cast convoke?

[tame dome]

I personally do not, for convoke I do not have

[lofty depot]

Yes u would

Dump 2 surges then convoke

Can dump 3 if lusting

Actually just do 2 unless clanker shows sim of 3 being better

[unkempt citrus]

Okay that checks out, and when during this whole opener thing are you casting your first treant (assuming lust on pull)? Just cuz of the mis-alignment in length with incarn/FoN/trinket/(troll-beserking)

[tame dome]

anyone able to help me out with a sim apl?

[paper ember]

You treant the gcd before your first ca

[lofty depot]

Is it the thing from yesterday

[tame dome]

ye

well, it's for my question from yesterday, if that's what you mean

[lofty depot]

Yes

Probably have to dm a knower

Clankz or gamz likely to answer

[tame dome]

ahh so gamz was a player

ty

hmm

wonder if chatgpt could write me one 😄

[mighty mica]

ew

[barren carbon]

Love the lil wrath here

[pallid bay]

💩

too much haste..

[barren carbon]

Yep gotta drop like 3k haste

[tame dome]

is 24,000 too much haste

[barren carbon]

Maybe a tad

[tame dome]

yeh man's sitting at nearly 40% standard

all I could really do is recraft my weapon and that would do very little 🤣

[barren carbon]

Yeah maybe drop like 20k haste or so and we're back

[lofty depot]

20k too much

[lofty depot]

How much haste u have

[leaden birch]

i keep forgetting to swap my stupid belt power

zzz

[barren carbon]

6.1k 🙃

[tame dome]

how do you folks have so little hasste man

[barren carbon]

Got a crit/haste 1h in first vault which isn't helping stats-wise

[mental plover]

wait but isnt the 2% we got for dungeons an EC thing? so balance got a 5% buff but EC set was nerfed, so kotg could be better?

[fast finch]

Midnight will be our expansion right?

[leaden birch]

what the

[lofty depot]

Ok thank fuck

[leaden birch]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-tom-delonge-what-the-gif-13829782

[lofty depot]

I have 4800 I think, too much

[barren carbon]

Yeah it's too much but not a gross amount over

Need a ring swap pronto

[lofty depot]

Had to take stupid mastery haste ring

Rotation is fucked now :/

[tame dome]

how does one ask bliz to swap out rings, neck and trinket

[upper anvil]

Keeper is never better in keys

[leaden birch]

i have 7k and sims won't let me go lower

maybe I can't run nerubian signet because devout zealouts is just too much crit for me to give up atm

i dunno

[lofty depot]

Lowest haste is 3500 ish

2 tier slots + 1 major haste gem

[upper anvil]

Are you folks running antenna in keys

[leaden birch]

i only have haste on my trink and ring

extra haste*

[tame dome]

when did haste go so bad

[upper anvil]

Its only bad in raid

Keys yoy still want haste

[leaden birch]

when the creator of our tierset was all about big number go brr

[lofty depot]

Oh that's like 3k

Hmm

[upper anvil]

Artic are you running antenna in keys

[lofty depot]

Oh yea I added some haste gems to sit around 3500 cuz it was within margin

[tame dome]

... 24k by any chance?

[leaden birch]

2.7k on ring, and 1.8k on para trink

[lofty depot]

I run w.e. in krys

[leaden birch]

I'm gonna try simming nerubian signet again to see

but last time it no let me drop

[lofty depot]

I have Araz and antenna so yes

[upper anvil]

Maybe not 24k amounts. But like still a decent bit. I run like 16k haste In keys

[lofty depot]

I have 23k in keys

[tame dome]

ok cool that makes me feel better

[upper anvil]

That's a lot of haste from where

Whats the mastery at

[lofty depot]

Neck, rings

Uhh 21k

[upper anvil]

I havw haste mast neck and rings

Besides one ring giving mast verse instead of haste

[lofty depot]

That's without HOA neck too

It's a tazavesh neck I think

The haste vers one

[upper anvil]

Im at like 16k ish haste and like 27k ish mast

[tame dome]

I got 24k haste 22k mastery and jack all crit

[lofty depot]

All my crafts are Crit mastery so have some there

[upper anvil]

Antenna in keys sounds annoying then again I don't have it currently so idk how the orbs work

[lofty depot]

The spawn, and come towards

I'm used to baiting them in raid so IDC much

[upper anvil]

But starfire writing sounds not to bad

How does one bait orbs

[lofty depot]

Run away from them so u can have buff later

They live 20 seconds and buff like 10

[upper anvil]

Ic

[lofty depot]

So yea if I know trees are coming I bait them

[upper anvil]

Is orbs just random chances base on ability or is just random in general

[lofty depot]

But see how that goes on nexus kek

[upper anvil]

Like spells I mean

[lofty depot]

No clue

[hazy storm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1cNd62MM4GLX31j6fkdS1e

surely just take shoulders right

[jade drift]

damn

we doing big numbers

[hazy storm]

w boomie

[leaden birch]

where's your 2nd emba

[hazy storm]

scuffed it

[leaden birch]

wouldn't a crafted belt beat the disc by now?

oh you crafted a wep didn't you

[hazy storm]

i had OH ascen but got myth voidcore staff

yea sadge

[leaden birch]

oh mv,

nvm*

shouldn't you have a 3rd spark?

[hazy storm]

maybe sim embellish belt with myth vault shoulders?

yea i do

[leaden birch]

whats your other GV option

[ionic oak]

belt

[leaden birch]

oh a belt

🤢

[ionic oak]

id say shoudlers good though

but thats just me

i am biased. same shoulders on me

[leaden birch]

i bet shoulders with crafted belt would be best

[lofty depot]

He's simming 0.5% lower than he should too

[leaden birch]

disc getting nerfed anyways

[hazy storm]

belt prolly wouldnt be able to be upgraded fully yet

[hazy storm]

how

embellishment?

[lofty depot]

Cosmos and ui

[leaden birch]

how do you notice these things

[lofty depot]

Shrug

[hazy storm]

am i dumb

idk what that means

[leaden birch]

talents

cosmos the thingy that procs to give you a free surge/starfall

[hazy storm]

o wth

[leaden birch]

and umbral inspiration

[lofty depot]

Funny ping one and birb eye

[hazy storm]

yea

i suck at talent names

[leaden birch]

never mind it's umbral embrace

[lofty depot]

Should be tree and pink node under tree

[limpid grotto]

I know equipment manager exists, and it swaps between specs
but is there any addon for like equipment manager within the same spec but different talent loadouts?
ie. I want X gear to self equip when M+ build, and Y gear when Raid build

[hazy storm]

ty

[leaden birch]

would love this too

[lofty depot]

Need to see nexus king logs hm

Adept using cosmos on dimmy, seems fine

[upper anvil]

I need to see your logs sir artic

[lofty depot]

Go look for them

What u need to see

[upper anvil]

That sounds like a pain in the ass. Send me link/name

[lofty depot]

Garyeet

[upper anvil]

Everything cause what not. I have time to kill atm

70 on frac

[lofty depot]

Bear form forever

Fuggn healers don't want me to parse

[upper anvil]

That do be happening

[lofty depot]

Also that fight cringe as fuck, get flung with 1 s left on eclipse. Need to get back into eclipse but need to move to location

Out of eclipse forever

[paper ember]

Just as the devs intended

[wanton goblet]

How should I be simming for the cleave in raid? Just hold st sims and no worry about it?

[ashen bloom]

I'm confused, what is the nerf to starfire from the 2 piece? none of the sets mention starfire? is that a typo?

[tacit oriole]

HUGE Astral Antenna in vault

[fathom nebula]

LFR?

[leaden birch]

guys, do I just send it?

[lofty depot]

EC tier set mentions it

[leaden birch]

[tacit oriole]

Myth bub

[leaden birch]

only a 1.8% upg lmao

[lofty depot]

On all ur hero gear, ew

[leaden birch]

i need dinars

some of us aren't fed gear like u okay

[jaunty blaze]

go do tazavesh hardmode

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[leaden birch]

no friends that are good enough for that

[jaunty blaze]

unforch

[ionic oak]

I got made fun of by arctic last season for sending crests on hero
This time around
I am holding out for myth only
Has served me well

[lofty depot]

All my mythic tier is from vault and tazavesh hardmode

[leaden birch]

honestly

[ashen bloom]

I wasn't even aware hero talents could change set bonuses, wow. Thank you!

[leaden birch]

I'm probably the friend that isn't good enough

[upper anvil]

Dam at least yoy know

[fathom nebula]

I just did Tazavesh Hardmode, it didnt last very long

[upper anvil]

That's all that matters. You knowing

[leaden birch]

I never claim to be what I'm not

[jaunty blaze]

1 whole second

lets go

[lofty depot]

I sent 30 into hero Araz.... Expecting to not get myth araz

[leaden birch]

I'm in a guild thats progging loomithar

i know my place

[lofty depot]

And then got 2nd

[upper anvil]

My guild doesn't even mythical raid till later if they get to it

[true viper]

my balance sim is within 100k of feral is it ggs

[fathom nebula]

1 second and one server tick!

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

So boomkin rest of tier or?

[true viper]

Idk

Ill prob still play feral on nexus

[upper anvil]

[true viper]

feral on dimensius though fuck casting on that boss

[lofty depot]

Oh ur sitting dimmy

[true viper]

Yea

[leaden birch]

dummy, dimmy, same same

[true viper]

I dont think a dps druid has killed dim yet

[hazy storm]

No

[lofty depot]

Adept will surely

[leaden birch]

not even feral?

[hazy storm]

adept should be the first

[true viper]

Could be wrong

[hazy storm]

20 boomies on nexus though

[true viper]

its not bad

gonna be fine with nerfs

[hazy storm]

it does most dam on dmg amp phase

[true viper]

feral and balance both crank it

[lofty depot]

Damn no DPS druid

[true viper]

lol

[upper anvil]

Ret pally at 1

[hazy storm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sAh1bKXwFsYiTPSS4x4b3f

hows this arctic

[lofty depot]

Sune could be first surely

[true viper]

are people running this on fights where you normally dont get the 2nd set of 2 cd window

is that the only reason

[lofty depot]

5.5 low idk

[lofty depot]

Depends on fight timer

[true viper]

thats the only variable though right

[tacit oriole]

surely its not worth sending 15 gilded for a .1% upgrade right? xD

[lofty depot]

So like Araz, u can double CA at the end of u do some funny timing with CA incollectors

[true viper]

ah

[lofty depot]

Uhh Fractilly u don't get a 2nd double CA if u play grove

[true viper]

i like the new apl change its easier to play now

[lofty depot]

Actually need to check timings now

10s diff, so grove might be closer

[digital berry]

what are you simming big boi

[lofty depot]

5.7

[digital berry]

goddayum

[lofty depot]

I could sim 5.8

[upper anvil]

Not even at 6m

Smh

[lofty depot]

6m next week

[upper anvil]

Uh huh. But not 6m this week

[digital berry]

im simming 5.5 still `

idk where you get 200k from

[lofty depot]

Gear fed

[upper anvil]

Imagine getting funneled gear smh

[drifting nova]

its 4 dungs for 2nd vault slotr giht

[lofty depot]

Yes

[jade drift]

damn bruv

[digital berry]

Are you fully myth track decked out ?

[lofty depot]

Myth tier ye

Uhh neck, bracer, belt, 1 ring missing

[tacit oriole]

at 5.3m with 712 ilvl, but quite of bit of mast/haste gear. Need to get better stats

[lofty depot]

Swapping stats is at most like 0.3%

Maybe a bit more

[tiny tendon]

I might kill myself

[digital berry]

Socky time

[lofty depot]

That's big trinket for m+

[digital berry]

Coming from you

[tired mist]

hey guys, i really struggle with simming for m+. is there a good guide how to do it?

[tiny tendon]

i am a weekly 10 kind of guy

then again the 10s are getting real fucking boring

[lofty depot]

FAQ in compendium

[tired mist]

thank you 🙂

[tiny tendon]

mmm lily do be pretty sizeable for cleave sim

[digital berry]

Wdym cleave sim

[lost violet]

Guys, when i Dot2x -> CA->2xSS->Convoke->SS->1xWrath->1xSunfire->CA->2xSS I seem to overlapp the first CA, it doesnt run out completely, is this how to do it just to maximise dryad? feels like i waste CA uptime and Astralpower

[tiny tendon]

the 3 target patchwerk because I don't trust any other type of sim

[digital berry]

That’s a wrong double ca sequence

Overlapping is not a thing

[lofty depot]

1. Overlapping doesn't matter.
2. The sequence has changed with 2 ca

[digital berry]

You reset the ca and pop the dryad buff early if you use an another ca

[lofty depot]

The whole point was to get tress with ur buffed surges

U would press CA when trees had 2s left

[lost violet]

ah yes but i would still have CA left from the initial one, but i do it to get the 20% crit dmg?

[lofty depot]

It is a new boat window yes

[digital berry]

It’s ok to clip the ca, ca is a shit cooldown that doesn’t do much on its own

[lofty depot]

It's also 40% cuz it's 20 on arcane and 20 on nature

[strange edge]

No affix please

[lofty depot]

Surge is astral, meaning both

[uncut bridge]

Fellow moon enjoyers, i only play m+ and my vault today is a myth track helm with socket and a myth track parapodia. The sim says the helm is better by .3% but i am wondering if the parapodia is a bit more rare to get in the vault. Any thoughts on what i should take?

[dreamy locust]

Whos got the "these are my stats whats good for M+" image

I need that

[jaunty blaze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[dreamy locust]

He's the goat

[lofty depot]

Trinket do be more rare

[digital berry]

Do people really play wow without stepping foot in raid ?

[uncut bridge]

i mean i did it personally a few times to get tier

[tacit oriole]

when in doubt always go for trinket in vault

[tiny tendon]

people play wow without the war part so yeah

[uncut bridge]

but i dont plan on doing it anymore

[tiny tendon]

can't decide on taking the minigame content boost or the raid content socket

[tranquil bane]

I checked pins and scrolled back a bit but I dont see anything, are there any sim comparisons for new changes?

[lofty depot]

U gained 5.5%

The increase is live

[tranquil bane]

how about for ec m+?

[lofty depot]

It's an estimate cuz simming m+ is giga cringe and inaccurate ~2%

[tranquil bane]

my hero ❤️ thanks

[tiny tendon]

it's a "probably won't notice" for m+ increase

[lofty depot]

Depends on if napkin math is closer than sim math

[tranquil bane]

didnt think so but just checking it wasnt a nerf or something lol

[leaden birch]

you're on weekly btw

honestly, I've tried to fix up your sim but it's just kinda all over the place lmao

[open harbor]

do we benefit from haste a little more after the buffs?

[paper ember]

No

[lofty depot]

Don't see why that would change anything

[digital berry]

i dont understand how a flat 5% buff to dmg would change stat prio

[sudden pawn]

i do but im not gonna say

[open harbor]

idk but the sim 3 days ago (before Raidbots update) said keep ring and latest sim said change ring lol

[drifting nova]

I thought you said chicken was weak?

word hard

[lofty depot]

Can u show either sim

[paper ember]

Did the other players not have hands?

[drifting nova]

well yes

but it was a 2 so

need to stroke myself some how

[open harbor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oWwbocK6pMPmwLQLd2Yv2h

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9w2FTraRnHd8rsDzVF7Qy

Not sure if the sims were the same, since i cant remember exactly

[drifting nova]

[open harbor]

i just remember that false accuser simmed worse then the crit mastery one

[lofty depot]

The first one isnt saying it's an upgrade

[open harbor]

yeah thats what i mean, 3 days ago false accuser simmed worse (or at least margin of error) and now its 0,4% upgrade

thats why i asked if, besides accuser has more mastery, we benefit from haste more now

[lofty depot]

Talent diff maybe

I'll have to look when I get home

[open harbor]

maybe its because i had Grove's Inspiration 3 days ago and now i simmed with Potent Enchantments

[lofty depot]

Maybe haste is a little better cuz wrath casts but idk

[open harbor]

yeah i run the sim again with the "old" talents

[deft crown]

whats the best simulation option to choose if i want to sim droptimizer for m+?

[lofty depot]

FAQ in the conpendium

[deft crown]

doesnt means anything for me

[scenic mist]

higher

[deft crown]

oh got it

thanks

[vital hound]

gm

[lofty depot]

Locked in

[lethal sedge]

Do we have an updated bis list and max sim with the new changes yet?

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

We don't do bis lists here

[open harbor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1s5kVmJp1pxSop6KHTwWK1

same outcome with talents from the sim 3 days ago

[lofty depot]

Max sim is like 6.03 or some shit

[pallid bay]

login

[vital hound]

• nerfs

praying for extend

[lofty depot]

Is curious

In some weird like haste threshold

[lofty depot]

When r u gonna kill dimmy on boomkin

Or druid for that matter

(u could be the first)

[pallid bay]

at this rate i probably will

Wave is very far for being this close

[lofty depot]

Unless idk echo brings krona tomorrow or something

[lucid olive]

krona played feral on it today

died last p2 platform and floor povd p3

but he was there

[lofty depot]

Oh, damn

I guess the top 50 breakdown is just first kills

[midnight fossil]

So is Parapodia supposed to be good for M+? because no matter how I simm it, its always a DPS loss unless its ST

[bold creek]

Do we think mythic tier helmet or a mythic lilly ? From my vault

[lofty depot]

Likely not the best trinket

[lofty depot]

Depends how much u care more about m+ or not

[upper anvil]

I like parapodia in keys

Its a better sack

Will probably switch it out for antenna when I get it today. Not sure

[bold creek]

@lofty depot i do both raid and M+ lots of M+ to

[vital hound]

i have bad news

[midnight fossil]

I have Antena and Signet, both at 704, and Parapodia only is dps upgrade if its ST, so its either that or I take myth track boots from vault

[upper anvil]

Ik antenna is bad in keys

🤣

[vital hound]

not that

[upper anvil]

Ih

[vital hound]

1. its not dropping

[upper anvil]

Do tell

[vital hound]

2. you're not being given it

[upper anvil]

Nah i havw it in vault. Just waiting to see if it drops in raid

Its a roll loot so

[vital hound]

greedy bastard

take the vault smh

[lofty depot]

Well run an MDT sim and see if y care more got that numby or more for the st one

[upper anvil]

But but I can take the other trink if antenna drops

[vital hound]

what other trink

[upper anvil]

Im also one of the top pumpers in my guild 🤣

Crystal

[vital hound]

(you shouldnt be)

[upper anvil]

Ik

[lofty depot]

How do u know it's bad in keys hmm

[upper anvil]

Its a doomed guild but they're chill so I like

[vital hound]

yea thats mint

[upper anvil]

(I dont)

I still need hero soul hunters boots

The resto druid got it last time

[midnight fossil]

thats another reason I dont want to take boots from vault, is because of the soul hunter ones

[drifting nova]

vault boots is grief

if not hunter boots

[upper anvil]

Depends on the group

I should be getting the boots. Espically before this other leather wearer or im crashing out

[midnight fossil]

its either myth track boots, or a trinket that is only an upgrade for ST damage

[upper anvil]

Bring back same gearing

[lofty depot]

/me

[upper anvil]

shhh youre being funneled

but those are nice boots

[lofty depot]

same stats

no proc

[upper anvil]

honestly i dont even think the proc is that big

sure its nice little amount of % damage but meh

[bitter panther]

I took the haste mastery boots from vault last week. Also tbh in a guild that’s progging boots on resto > boomkin.

[midnight fossil]

the boots in my vault are haste/mast as well so

[upper anvil]

ye for progging matters resto normally gets it or other leather dpses

boomie bad

[lofty depot]

p sure its like 1-1.5%

[bitter panther]

You need mythic boots for Gilded achievement, is what my thought process was.

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

if u dont have boots that is

[upper anvil]

but like

you can get any hero boots from keys

Kek

[bold creek]

thanks i think imma just take lilly its easier chance to get a helm then a trinket i can cata i think

[upper anvil]

i do want the boots tho, i wanna stop using the champ one 🥹 i wanna get off champ gear

[upper anvil]

depends, what track, myth lily is kinda hard without vault, helm depends

but then again dinars in 4 weeks

[bold creek]

i have a mythic lilly

and a mythic helm in vault

i was meaning like i can get a helm some where else on mythic

[shy void]

can you guys proofread this for me

https://i.imgur.com/dzhrf1K.png

before i send it to my boss

[normal pilot]

el

[clever vigil]

I hated that

[normal pilot]

oops wrong window

[loud kettle]

Yea maybe just dont vent ur frustrations in a dm, keep it short and sweet

[undone portal]

not enough profanity

[shy void]

xd just joking i found this somewhere else i didn't type it

[drifting nova]

just post a meme

theres memes for everything

[shy void]

i thought i'd find the source here but i don't think it's appeared here yet

[daring gull]

Full send it

Add more profanity and shit talk

[midnight bough]

Good sir i was wrong to doubt you and your ability to get blizz to buff balance and remove specifically the spam casters in hoa now just blizz to fix the casters in priory 🙏

[sudden flame]

💀

[daring gull]

Insult his cow and dishonor on his family

Or maybe don't pop off IDK probably best not to

[shy void]

💪 i really think it's about time that owls started pluming up and punching back

we have to get violent

just look in a history book, that usually works

jk be peaceful and loving everyone and try other classes if you have complaints that's what i'm doing

[red nymph]

anyone elses shit randomly just untargetting since todays patch?

[craggy sonnet]

sim does 3 during lust

[craggy sonnet]

i was asking if you think that the 3% or whatever difference in buffs to both hero talents makes up the gap between them

[full sleet]

Raaaaaah 4 set today

[lofty depot]

kk

[small crag]

y’all are we running Keeper now for M+ or what?

[lofty depot]

dont know why anyone would do that

[small crag]

the balance changes today lol Elune’s got nerfed

[lofty depot]

yea "nerfed"

[small crag]

so could we have just answered my question conversationally instead of whatever this is?

[lofty depot]

theyed nerfed the tier set so ec didnt get buffed by 5%

2% vs 5%

[craggy sonnet]

@leaden birch i was using BTWLoadouts a while back .. i think that should be able to

[small crag]

KOTG sims higher rn by 1.5%

[lofty depot]

show the sim

[upper anvil]

In keys?

[small crag]

in sims

[lofty depot]

what sims

[upper anvil]

Show

Link sins

Sims

[lofty depot]

no sims?

[mental plover]

Bro do you even sim?

[craggy sonnet]

actually i think it is

[craggy sonnet]

and you are simming what else if not ST?

[mental plover]

i simmed same route

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/um2RyUxJJVRoUb4QMB9Zm6

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4B4m4kcEEtHYFnjWikoKG8

[sudden pawn]

sim this

[mental plover]

show em

[lucid olive]

i was meaning to run a keeper talent sim for m+ thanks

i'll use this as a template

[round oracle]

yes :)

[vital hound]

dn

[red nymph]

i thought i was going crazy

[sudden pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/699065204373323846/715468546813198376/shake.gif

[stone ledge]

is there a way on raidbots to sim the reknown buff this week on our enchantments and oils?

[lucid olive]

when it gets added sure

[stone ledge]

ah its not added yet

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5BedJgXg8hPwjBS5ivwyvJ

not good enough to be better than EC

unfortunate

[wet solstice]

Is it a meaningful dps increase to be using incarn in melle so the thrashes and shit hit the boss?

[dense steeple]

hmmge

[lucid olive]

no

also you mean convoke and not incarn

[vital hound]

did you not log in soma

[dense steeple]

now the question is, is there an argument to take soleahs

or should i send the myth track shoulders and be done with the main 5 slots

[craggy sonnet]

feel like shoulders are at least reasonably obtainable just via loot

actually have no idea how soleahs compares right now

[dense steeple]

i have myth antenna and a ritual forge

[craggy sonnet]

its prolly still like maybe top 4 passive trinket

oh

[dense steeple]

i also have 4 pc myth track tier

[craggy sonnet]

what are you arguing then

[dense steeple]

my ritual forge is normal

[craggy sonnet]

that doesnt matter

[dense steeple]

is there an argument for soleah over either of those trinkets in m+?

[craggy sonnet]

forge not crazy in m+

so you could run double passive i guess

but i think parapodia and crystal at least are both better than soleahs as well

[dense steeple]

it does feel bad losing my giga hero track helm tho

got this week 1

and my myth version is just objectively sad

[celest narwhal]

Socket AND LEECH

So sorry for ur loss

[dense steeple]

its okay

ive been turbo lucky on gear this season

[celest narwhal]

Just delete the myth track helmet

[dense steeple]

i'll likely get a socket next week so its fine

[vital hound]

YOINK

[dense steeple]

yeah you like my emojis dont you

[vital hound]

keep playing forge

[dense steeple]

[pallid bay]

real

[sonic crag]

Living Flame is a pretty good Araz placeholder though

Until Mythic 😔

[vital hound]

i wish you had just said "i think just log off"

would've made a killer sticker

[storm frigate]

so no more EC in M+? KotG all the wqay?

[wintry frigate]

Was the 4pc hit that bad

I've been under a rock for a week now

[lofty depot]

no

people just assume cuz they see number go down taht its a nerf to the spec

[sonic crag]

Does CA buff 2nd buffed surges more than 2nd trees would?

[wintry frigate]

I saw someone dooming in a discord earlier about EC not being viable anymore in raid or M+ and thought I'd check.

It's an AoTC guild not a CE Guild for reference.

[lofty depot]

yea doomer doesnt use the resources available

[drifting nova]

wdym not viable

[wintry frigate]

ST today? Cuuuuute

[dense steeple]

doomer say ec not viable in heroic raid

he not wrong

[wintry frigate]

Heh?

[dense steeple]

just not in the way he thinks

[wintry frigate]

Ah ok

In what way then

[dense steeple]

||EC always sucks in raid||

[drifting nova]

can confirm

my parses point to it sucking

I'm a generational tree hater

[wintry frigate]

Kek

[tepid mountain]

is 723 so'leahs secret trinket better than 710 parapodia :3

like the only good thing ive gotten in vault, theres a atomic phasebelt mythic but its first boss loot so

running normal forge and hero harvesters edict for tirnkets rn farming parapodia

[vital hound]

4.5m?

blud season 2 is over

[vital hound]

[drifting nova]

still have my s1 bracers so

[lofty depot]

sim

[tepid mountain]

wow so'leahs wrecks parapod

[delicate perch]

@vital hound

[soft ledge]

no changes to m+ spec right with the buffs/nerfs?

[vital hound]

[delicate perch]

can't use it till next week

[vital hound]

did you craft

2h

you fucking LOSER

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/9asT.gif

[delicate perch]

BIG

[vital hound]

sheeptwo and sheepthree

both have kris'

[delicate perch]

LOL

my mage is binned

useless rat

[vital hound]

flavour town ratatouille

[sudden pawn]

i got lomitshart shoulders from vault

[storm frigate]

is kris worth using it on its own? is the trinket actually worth using?

[lofty depot]

the trinket is ass

[storm frigate]

that's what i thought, but i didn't know if the kris on it's own was all that

[drifting nova]

got the red chicken

it's over

[lofty depot]

can always sim it

[storm frigate]

what is this 'sim' you speak of?

[mighty mica]

raidbots?

[storm frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-joke-kevinmcgarry-loveatfirstbark-lafb-gif-23130397

[lofty depot]

hmm starfire still well ahead of starfall

[drifting nova]

but what if we could

cast starfire while moving in starfall

[lofty depot]

then this would be over 10m surely

[storm frigate]

pretty similar numbers, arctic

[storm frigate]

this would be really nice. i had to move a lot in eco

[drifting nova]

move? the dungeon has like 4 pulls

[storm frigate]

you stand in purple stuff?

[drifting nova]

yes

why do you think healers exist?

[storm frigate]

purple stuff? gross. Sunny D, alright!

[drifting nova]

their life purpose

is to H E A L

[storm frigate]

can't heal it if it's dead

[drifting nova]

get new healer

out with the old in with the new

[storm frigate]

show me where to sign up

[mental plover]

show halkias damage

[lofty depot]

we pull trash into it

[neon bane]

How’s everyone finding the buffs in M+

Noticeable?

[hollow marlin]

is KOTG back on the menu for m+ or?

[celest rampart]

whats the affix this week?

[hollow marlin]

Pulsar, Tyrannical, Fortified

[celest rampart]

ty

[grim echo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nC1t4pTimE2Kv4fF3VaB6G

would u take whispers of karesh or antennae i don't raid

[craggy sonnet]

so you think you can get away with not surging for 15s? its also extremely tight timing and will land you in a low boat window

[lofty depot]

no

keeper outside of cds is terrible

[hollow marlin]

got it, thanks

have the m+ builds changed after the patch update?

[lofty depot]

nop

[hollow marlin]

sorry just a casual dad here, running 5-12's

[drifting nova]

hm dam is 4pc ec

[hollow marlin]

cool thanks

[craggy sonnet]

you are good. arctic is just direct. nothing wrong with your question

[celest rampart]

do you want to do 2.6% more dps or 1.2% dps?

[kind wind]

y'all think KOTG is better on mythic soulbinder now?

[lofty depot]

saying "nop" to a direct yes or no question is seen as problematic

hm

[lofty depot]

was better already

fuck ec

[dire halo]

is there a weakaura that tracks when you hit the cap for the stored damage on the starsurge procs?

[thorny crane]

hey guys, how do you play dimensius p1? do you dot the adds or just keep hitting boss?

[lofty depot]

its not surge procs... but theres no need for a weakaura you can hit the cap naked with no convoke

[lofty depot]

mythic or

[thorny crane]

im doing heroic

[lofty depot]

first set no

far one usually

[thorny crane]

so just keep hitting the boss

in p1

[lofty depot]

YE

[thorny crane]

aight thanks

[lofty depot]

sorry caps

[celest rampart]

how was your vault?

[upper anvil]

@lofty depot are we just sending the 1 CA, are we not holding ca now?

and i assume we're just holding it for convoke in general still

[lofty depot]

stupid ring

[sick flame]

question when running twin moons, is it correct to do what sim sample suggests and cast a couple wraths before poping CD's to build AP?

[lucid olive]

ye

[sick flame]

ty

[lucid olive]

wait what does the sim sample do actually

[oblique matrix]

Is there a WeakAura that can track how much you've "filled" your dryad while it's up? I've looked around and haven't found anything other than one that shows you the damage bonus from the tooltip after the "fill" period is finished, but I figured I'd ask to be sure.

[lucid olive]

can you link your quick sim

[lofty depot]

silly ring

[sick flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aRUWXA6mix1YP2osTdPnKb

[lofty depot]

on opener?

send 2 still

[lucid olive]

no a weakaura like that is not useful so nobody has really bothered making one

[lofty depot]

opener is in compendium

[oblique matrix]

Is it not useful simply because you always fill it up?

[lucid olive]

yes

[oblique matrix]

cool, that is what I was guessing was the case. Thanks!

[lucid olive]

the cap is too small that convoke or a previous 4pc will always fill it

[oblique matrix]

lame

thanks!

[lucid olive]

yeah this is fine

[upper anvil]

nah during rotation

[void abyss]

Do you guys find fun that our single target rotation looks like a convoluted script of if; else? Idk, im finding hard to find single target enjoyable, having to waorry if my convoke is 3 gcds away to use my treants, these weird conditions to use CA, dont feel very intuitive

[lofty depot]

send 1 at 2m ye

but it depends on fight time

[lucid olive]

it's not as convoluted as you make it seem

[lofty depot]

like 330 u would hold 2m and send double ca

[lucid olive]

also thats just been the nature of WoW class design after DF talent trees imo

[lofty depot]

i mean trees at the start of eclipse isnt that hard

[void abyss]

well its not what the dreamgrove guide says

[upper anvil]

if i send it at 2m wouldnt i not have 2 ca at 330 tho

[lofty depot]

people just assume that "if convoke 25" is like this crazy concept

[lucid olive]

"convoke 3 GCDs away" just means send treants if convoke is less than 3-4 seconds really

[lofty depot]

again

if the kill time is 330

[lucid olive]

it doesnt matter that much as long as you get the entire CD window

[upper anvil]

ah

[lofty depot]

u wouldnt send at 2m

[upper anvil]

you right

i have boomie brain is tiny

[tawny nest]

so like at what point do we replace jastors diamond? got a myth logic gate omega and its still saying jastor is better lmao

[young plume]

when another ring sims better

[maiden pasture]

it bugs so much that most replaced it with a hero ring

[true viper]

bench pov 🙁

[lofty depot]

or close

[upper anvil]

how are we playing with antenna?

do i just hope it spawns and i can run to it, like in opener

[lofty depot]

CONGRATULATIONS (Dimensius was harder on 11.2 pre nerfs) on the DIMENSIUS MYTHIC (it was harder in 11.2) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (everything used to do more damage) at it, and I'm happy that you've achieved your goal of completion.

[true viper]

they 2 shot it lol

[lofty depot]

how close were u before

[loud kettle]

😮

[vital hound]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/by9HhuJacUFdGQLMukEewT

https://tenor.com/kyDAu9zHqWq.gif

[true viper]

10%

[vital hound]

wrong enchants gg

[vital hound]

large

[lofty depot]

not even 5.5

[normal pilot]

not even 6m smh my head

[vital hound]

fix the apl

[normal pilot]

need to pay the oce tax

[delicate perch]

5.4 with crests spent

[lofty depot]

gas how i sim enchant

[delicate perch]

[normal pilot]

you don't have the renown

[lofty depot]

yes i doo

[normal pilot]

i disbelieve

[lofty depot]

i do lfr when i get home

im a degenerate

[stone ledge]

Yea there’s no check mark for it for me either

[loud kettle]

thewarwithin.attuned_to_the_aether=1 just be built appropriately

[vital hound]

whatthehelly

[lofty depot]

does it only add like 30k

so it did work i just didnt think it was that much

smh

[delicate perch]

30k to a boomkin is like 200% increase though

[vital hound]

[lavish hearth]

What's a good baseline % for Antenna Sim?

[delicate perch]

100% misses

[lofty depot]

20 maybe 30

[lavish hearth]

Thank you

[vital hound]

im yet to catch an orb myself

(i dont have the trinket)

[delicate perch]

[lofty pulsar]

So.. anyone noticing how the “buff” feels in real practice raiding or M+

[potent cargo]

ur a bit stronger

congrats u now feel stronger

[lofty pulsar]

So it’s even noticeable..?

[distant magnet]

on soulhunters you go elune or keeper withe the 4 set?

[ocean atlas]

hey, i have a question about the tier set explaniation in de compedium its says that after convoke u use ur seceond AC, it means that u instaly pop CA after the convoke or we do the rotation and when the frist CA es fading u pop the second one?

[lofty depot]

EC

[lofty depot]

convoke and instantly press ca

slam 3 surges wrath into next dryad depsawn

[ocean atlas]

thanks

[vital hound]

was gonna make a kelly clarkson joke but gave up

[vital hound]

ec

go yoink a build from a log

[muted sleet]

is authority of the depths still bis after raid buff

im sure it is i just have no clue

[lofty depot]

hasnt been bis this season

usually vers/crit/mastery

[native wind]

araz trink was listed as the best for boomy, but it doesnt sim well for m+. but I do see some key pusher are using it. really torn picking it over an upgraded tier piece.
single target do sim better.

[wet solstice]

Is it worthwhile to dot the tangles on mythic lumithar? The inner or outer?

[muted sleet]

tough call abi

maybe outer

our target switch is so bad

[digital berry]

if the raid group needs you to you do it

if they arent dying nothing you can do, but generally speaking its too many gcds to even start doing dmg to them

[wet solstice]

The consensus I've heard is everyone swaps, I'm just questioning if the dot gcds are worth.

[dapper wing]

It's just kinda how good your raid group is

If it's dying without you needing too don't

If they need the damage swap

Boss doesn't die without the tangles dying

[lofty depot]

i need someone to buy that for me

[digital berry]

how much is that on your server

[lofty depot]

10M

[minor umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[lofty depot]

KEEPER

w

[somber path]

which server?

[lofty depot]

illidan

[somber path]

sounds about right for it being a double stat ring wish that particular secondary rough though

the rings are the ones that will take a long time to drop in price

[lofty depot]

the heavy mastery + vers ring was like 3m yesterday

someone either bought it and is trying to resell for 5.4 or yae

[digital berry]

i went keeper on soulbinder too this week

ec probably out of fashion

[lofty depot]

ur doing the old opener

[drifting nova]

is there a new dawnbreaker route

can we stop breaking shit that works, ty