balance

[trail hinge]

Amidrassil 4.26%
aberrus 3.52%
vault 3.58%

so were around our DF popularity which is well down from our recent popularity

[jaunty blaze]

what are we percentaging

[trail hinge]

mythic logs from balance druid vs total of all logs

[lofty depot]

% of parses for .1 patch in mythic against the total

[jaunty blaze]

df down bad

[exotic perch]

amirdrassil had more moonkin popularity?

[trail hinge]

for DF i ignored the 4th season raids and only did real season raids

[lofty depot]

After shadowlands down bad

[exotic perch]

lol everyone played feral then

[lofty depot]

But they didn't swap class

So they had gear on druid once u cleared u could swap

[vale latch]

Main reason i thought it meant to dump on surges is because i thought our strongest ST ability was surges rather than just spamming wraths

[jaunty blaze]

ye but if you spend it all you will do less damage

because then you are forced to build back up when you need it

[lofty depot]

Our strongest ability is surge, but it's also our only big damage ability to use while moving

[vale latch]

makes sense true

[lofty depot]

Ur asp doesn't go away if u send from 120 and sit around 75

U just have 2 surges to use at a movement time or a higher prio time

[earnest barn]

does worth play kotg on dawnbreaker?

EC feels so dogshit

on that dung

[jaunty blaze]

try it but i doubt you will have more fun with it

[drifting nova]

but y

why would you willingly play the dogshit spec

[earnest barn]

based

[drifting nova]

THEN WHY ARE THE QUESTION

if you dont want to

[carmine pine]

how much of a meme is living flame? (the ulduar timewalking trinket)

[jaunty blaze]

what does it matter you cant get it

[lofty depot]

Using bloodmallet is more of a meme

[carmine pine]

yea thought my friend was memeing xD

[lofty depot]

Ur friend do be memeing

[jaunty blaze]

sim your own character and dont look at funny data aggregation sites

[carmine pine]

oh i know

don't dps as balance, i just tank on my druid

[lofty depot]

Smh

[jaunty blaze]

i mean its straightforward a lidl version of ritual forge

dont see why it would be bad

[tacit oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/114145367322394624/121880935951106048 here you go @carmine pine

[carmine pine]

wow thanks :p

[tacit oriole]

Man of the people I am

[steel charm]

When tank is gathering mobs in m+, do you enter eclipse before moonfiring mobs or after they are dotted?

[carmine pine]

after

[tacit oriole]

moonfire while gathering bub

[lofty depot]

Nah, same the dreamstate stacks. Just moonfire shit

[lyric fog]

thanks

[worldly crypt]

I’m stubborn and still playing balance in Raid. Trying to perfect the opener with the tier set.

Are we supposed to cast our second celestial alignment as soon as our dryads expire and we get the two shot buff or is it just as our eclipses ending?

I swear I’ve been doing the same thing every pull but sometimes I’ll get an 85% par and sometimes I’ll get a 25%

[lofty depot]

The opener has changed once again, u should read the guide

[paper ember]

One could say you should... read the pin

[lofty depot]

One would say that

[worldly crypt]

Yep. I read the pin. That compendium helps a shit ton.

[sly wadi]

it is very well done

[lofty depot]

poddyc talking about moonkin, surely we get buffed again

[drifting nova]

which ones that

[normal pilot]

maybe they buffed too much

[lofty depot]

clearly not enough

[lofty depot]

dratnos, max, dorki

[drifting nova]

not the other one

wait arent dratnos and dorki both the cat?

[smoky sage]

when I'm looking at a 6:20 - 6:30 ish fight. I'm delaying my 3rd CDs to have double CA on 2nd pot and one set of CDs at the tailend of the fight right? so there is a 3 min gab between the 2min CD and 2nd pot? or do I not care for pot and use double CA on 4min anyways?

[tame dome]

Any sim genious here know of a sim that will use only one CA timed with each force of nature each time?

so CA, 2-3 casts FoN, then wait till FoN off cooldown then repeat?

rather than double CA on opener

[dry compass]

Dratnos says "moonkin is abysmal right now" and max is like

motherfucker happiest he been since dimmy d died

[lofty depot]

depends if its specifically 630

cuz if it lasts like 7m

u send 1 ca at 4m

then do a double at 620-630ish wiht pot

[smoky sage]

hmm

[lofty depot]

but if its specifically 6m u dont send 4m cd, but rather send double ca at iirc 530

[smoky sage]

yeah we where almsot on point for 6:30 on first kill tonight I bet rekill will be quicker a bit.

I just made a single CA at the end but had no convoke of course

[lofty depot]

its a gamz or oi question

[polar linden]

waaoow

every other class discord is out of service for me

is the same for you fellas?

[mighty mica]

yeah, dg was down for a sec too

[polar linden]

well i guess i just go back to balance

[lofty depot]

damn it

i thought we closed for good

[normal pilot]

discord was shut down did we get a buff

[polar linden]

nvm mage is back, bye fellas

[mighty mica]

gods i wish

[polar linden]

nvm, im back to balance

[vital hound]

yo we got rid of the mods

time to use local language

[tame dome]

are those players? 😮

[simple mango]

lmao I saw the discord error message and thought "oh my god they actually did it"

[pseudo merlin]

ARE WE BACK

did we get buffed?

[potent cargo]

thought thyme snapped

im ngl

when i couldnt' access the grove

[kindred orchid]

So reading pins how much are we clipping ca by?

It’s like right after dryad buff falls off?

[lucid olive]

fuck we're back

@lofty depot did dreamgrove get shut down?

[dry compass]

it happened right after i called max a motherfucker

[lofty depot]

rip, didnt get taken down

[dry compass]

was wondering if there was some liquminatti Id run afoul of

[upper anvil]

does this mean i can finally stop playing druid

and my depression will go away?

[lofty depot]

nop, server back

[ionic oak]

Lol i was thinking “these crazy bastards actually did it! Not opening back up till double digits!”

[scenic mist]

👀

[celest rampart]

xD

is anyone else getting vers being much higher value than season 1

reccomending vers on both my rings and in gems too

[trail hinge]

Vers is point for point more damage. Haste is bad for the surge spam apperantly

I'm stacking crit and vers it feels

[celest rampart]

ahh fair enough

[calm ibex]

sim

[celest rampart]

yeah I am and im getting vers, was just wondering why

[calm ibex]

good

[normal pilot]

the set is stupid is why

[celest rampart]

didnt know if I was doing it wrong xD

[normal pilot]

they made it not scale with haste

you know how every other tier ever ppl always wrongly blame "scaling" like "my spec scales bad/good/etc" and they're always wrong

turns out this time the reddit masses are actually right

[celest rampart]

thats a shame

never good for the horde to be right

[normal pilot]

blizz designed a set so bad reddit became correct

[lucid olive]

why does my evoker just get to crit for 30m every 30 seconds

but when moonkin crit for 100m every 2 minutes it was too broken

[lofty depot]

frost mage crit glacials 16m every 5-10 seconds

arcane mage crit barrages for 30+m

fuck boomkins tho

[calm ibex]

true

[celest rampart]

when I watched wow boomkins were very good, multiple in on rwf fights, when I play wow they are in the dirt

[normal pilot]

i guess it's your fault then unlucky

[celest rampart]

sorry guys, it is my fault

I quit for season 2 hoping they would buff it

[carmine relic]

We're supposed to get a quest for resilient keys when we time everything on 12 right?

[tame jasper]

Should just be resilient after that

[carmine relic]

Sweet. I got the achievement last week and I just realized I didn't get a quest

[steel charm]

is EC tierset bugged? I am not getting any gathering moonlight stacks once the first set expires and I didnt use fury

[lofty depot]

are u full asp

also its rng

[steel charm]

Oh yeah it’s full asp, i was just doing wa testing at target dummy

And stopped getting stacks

Is that why

Is that a bug or a feature tho since its not on the tooltip

[lofty depot]

read the tier set

its not a bug

[delicate perch]

why you using starfire at full asp

[steel charm]

Wa testing just casting some

[steel charm]

Oh yeah lol never mind

Didn’t remember the actual wording was actually like that

Is someone bored enough to look through my m+ log and give me some tips to improve?

[lucid olive]

sure

cast more
be aware of when movement is happening and have a plan ready to deal with it
use wild charge more
don't eclipse before pressing incarn
moonfire when tank is gathering, sunfire when mobs are gathered
press Fury of Elune the global before you press incarn
warrior of elune if you have 0 stacks of dreamstate

you can send the log if you want but the advice will be any of these points

[neat horizon]

^ this guy chickens

[steel charm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K7pvnxCtyVD1w4qJ?fight=11&type=damage-done

Pugging but feel like sometimes should be able to do more, ill take the advice from above tho and see

[lofty depot]

foe before incarn

wasting dreamstate stacks by pressing woe there

weird pot placement

macro vigil to incarn and stop thinking about it

very bad 2nd incarn

[lucid olive]

why are we quad wrathing

[plucky valley]

We don’t waste dreamstate casts in this household

[lofty depot]

i mena yea were just wasting incarn

[lucid olive]

Macro Nature's Vigil

streaking stars ahhh setup

[steel charm]

Cause mobs too low yeah?

[steel charm]

Will def do yeah

[eternal lily]

We dont go eclipse before incarn?

[lucid olive]

not really

you only do it if you can cancelaura your dreamstate and enter Eclipse before starting to dot

if you do that properly you can enter Eclipse with 2 Dreamstate stacks

[lofty depot]

yes

[lofty depot]

the mobs have like negative hp

why r we cding

[waxen blaze]

Hello! Can I get a short explanation on why are people taking Remove Corruption on Soulbinder Naazindhri fight? What is it that you can remove?

[lucid olive]

Nothing

People just go "oh you play EC here? okay i'll use my M+ build"

people are playing it on Soul Hunters too for the same reason

[waxen blaze]

oh

Okay...

[lucid olive]

the bosses just aren't important enough to be changing shit talents in the class tree for

[steel charm]

I think I tried pre casting wrath but totally mistimed it due to having more haste lol

[lucid olive]

gg

[lucid olive]

The alternative to the dispel talent is extra armor which is irrelevant anyway

61% are taking incap roar on that fight too when i guarantee they never press it

[coral cairn]

guys , any chance we can beat arcane mage or frost dk in overall ? 16+ keys

[lucid olive]

63% taking reduced solar beam CD too lmao

[lucid olive]

yes

find their IP adress and DDOS them

and you beat them ez

[coral cairn]

i m getting gapped it tilts me so much 😄

[lucid olive]

won't time key though

[coral cairn]

so yeah , no we cant ^^ i see

[lofty depot]

dwilkz does all the time

now hes really gonna beat them with bm hunter

[scenic mist]

i was about to say something mean

[stark arch]

Playing the M+ EC build and using the 4 piece. Should I be pumping starsurge before FoE to maximize damage? or just play as normal and let the 2 piece do it's thing?

[lucid olive]

Normal Starsurge casts don't interact with it

Just spend on the same spender you always have

[stark arch]

Thank you

[lofty depot]

the tierset specifically says the surges that are from the split

[stark arch]

I can't read

[lofty depot]

tragic

great u could read what i said but not what it says

[fossil sorrel]

Where do the changes put boomkin for st now compared to MM/BM and other classes?

[lofty depot]

st over 6m, like top 7ish

but overall that means very little

[covert coyote]

we're at the tippy top of the mountain and we're literally only half way up

[fossil sorrel]

Cheers

Just didnt see any pins on sims, just the % increase

[normal pilot]

you can just sim your character, follow instructions

[lucid olive]

Nono, sim other peoples characters

[normal pilot]

can do that too no problem

[fossil sorrel]

Nah, i might be switching, so i dont have a character as such

[normal pilot]

hm why are you switching? just like playing moonkin?

[ionic oak]

masochist probably

[normal pilot]

maybe he's in motw jail, someone earlier had that happen to 'em

[covert coyote]

moonkins a vibe, have you ever tried doing open world content without moonfire

[obsidian jetty]

I tried to get my guild to sit me for fract so I could have a cleaner mythic vault, but my raid leader informed me I was the only motw 🙁

[vital hound]

he doesnt play boomkin unfortunately

[lofty depot]

he was doing it on boomkin

[lofty depot]

wheres dak

[sudden pawn]

omg...............

[obsidian jetty]

focusing on RL

[normal pilot]

escaped just in time

[lofty depot]

dk is raid leading 👀

what the

[vital hound]

gl

[sudden pawn]

im sick rn

doing this boss while sick is like next level disgusting

[drifting nova]

have you tried killing it

helpful thought

[lucid olive]

Rocket League?

[glacial spindle]

Is there any WA to help when to use innervate and which target?

[lofty depot]

well which target would be the one that asks for it

theres a weakaura for Externals that you can get

or InnervateMe

[livid forum]

and they call this an up ???

[lofty depot]

well that number do be up

[quiet drift]

0

[ionic oak]

Yeah. Its about 200k increase for me. Currently

[livid forum]

Well, now we'll be above the frost mage.

[ionic oak]

According to ptr=1

Yeah but below bm lol

They moved up more

They needed it though

[lofty depot]

yea u hope

[ionic oak]

Hope is all we got

[livid forum]

I haven't had any hope for a long time, I think they let me play 1 season and now the owl won't play until the next addition

[undone portal]

currently proggin salad bar and ive decided we need survival instincts for moonkin

[lofty depot]

have needed it since forever ago

[undone portal]

true

[livid forum]

yes, when RL tells you, press the bear, because you have 1 save and it's in the CD and you stand there sucking your paw

[lofty depot]

"guys personal this, oh yea and personal this, ohh and this one as well"

add i dont ahve that many

[undone portal]

🙂

[quiet drift]

Imagine not having every personal pre assigned

https://tenor.com/view/extraemily-extra-emily-extra-emily-laugh-kekw-gif-6729662084889640193

[lofty depot]

imagine having personals to pre assign

[lucid olive]

Okay moonkin now has SI but damage intake is tuned around it

[undone portal]

ok actually true

[lucid olive]

The best solution is to nerf healers across the board and prune defensive bloat from every class

[undone portal]

dont give us si just take something away from everyone else

[lucid olive]

Like people were happy when they gave us the 4% extra stamina node in the class tree

And then tuned damage intake around us having it so it didn't fucking matter

[lofty depot]

yea tragic

[lofty depot]

yea prune defensives meaning take defensives away that i dont have surely

takes away stam nodes

[drifting nova]

proactive defensives bad

[proven gorge]

what do we sim m+ as?

[lofty depot]

Read the FAQ in the compendium

[proven gorge]

ty

[idle steeple]

im sure this has been asked alot. but what is everyone thinking about the buff/tier nerf were getting tomorrow?

[lofty depot]

It's definitely a buff

[wind mason]

so we stay at same place then

[lofty depot]

Just got a find 6% somewhere

Clanker doing it like 0.5% at a time

[midnight bough]

what shuold i search in lgf to find hardmode taz groups?

[lofty depot]

probably hardmode

[leaden birch]

Yo honest q

How are y'all surviving doing soaks and then getting unlucky with tether on loom

I'm getting chunked like 4-5m per tick without barkskin

[delicate perch]

soaks?

oh the beam

ask your healers to not afk?

[leaden birch]

[delicate perch]

generally you shouldn't get too high stacks and can bark a tether idk

[leaden birch]

Fair

[craggy sonnet]

how many stacks are you taking?

you got 2 assigned for each, yea?

[worthy oak]

Guys, do you think the buff on our little owl will make her more viable tomorrow?

[craggy sonnet]

objectively the answer is yes

but like

idk what you are looking for

[delicate perch]

there are people fighting dimmy as balance

unless you already killed it boomkin is "viable"

[ionic oak]

Ive gotten to 11 stacks and lived. Healers working over time. Im helping them parse

[ionic oak]

Yeah. I mean. We get more damage. We didnt get worse.
Is it raid changing and we become best? No
But we better off than before

[delicate perch]

I'm blasting in raid I beat some grey parses the other night

[ionic oak]

Lol but those grey parsers gave you a run for your money right?

[delicate perch]

(they died)

(still yes)

[ionic oak]

Fuhhhhh. I should have known lol

[delicate perch]

[leaden birch]

yeah we swap out at 8, p sure same as everyone else

[ionic oak]

Healers need to heal more
But bark skin for sure
Or
Bear it
Not like boomie dam is the make it or break it on that fight

Bear form and hit that /dance

[lofty depot]

it could be

[ionic oak]

Live long enough to the burst

Fuck beat me to it

Yeah

Lol

Tomorrow i get antenna for sure

[delicate perch]

100% 1st vault slot

[ionic oak]

Only way to get it

[digital berry]

I have so many possible upgrades in vault but I just know it’s gonna be shitty trinkets, boots and off hands

[lofty depot]

sockey

[digital berry]

Dude I am still wearing circes, can’t drop priory one to save my life

[delicate perch]

do some delves dawggg

[lofty depot]

delve ring good

priory good

think thers a tazavesh one aswell

u aint farming good enough dawg

[delicate perch]

priory/dawn have mast/vers rings

think taz is haste /vers

but ya, lots of options no shot you need to be wearing that ring still

[lucid olive]

There's no way you're still wearing circlet right

Pretty sure even world quest rings are better after it was nerfed

You have to be exaggerating

[delicate perch]

right..?

[leaden birch]

i replaced it with a wastelanders gilded ring

i got that shit from a rare spawn

[vivid quiver]

im assuming u crafted a wep with ur first 2 sparks too and bracers or something with the 3rd

cause i think if u didnt theres a argument u couldve crafted one

and found any other ring to replace the other ring

[forest cobalt]

whats a good place to sim mythic plsu dungeons since raidbots doesnt like boomies... or do we just run patchwork single target and if its an increase there, then its an increase for M+

[lofty depot]

raidbots does

ur just trying to do something that hasnt been supported ever

read the faq in compendium

[forest cobalt]

litearlly all i did was do droptimizer mythic plus dungeons, mythic 10, upgrade to hero 6/6 and checked the box upgrade all equipped gear to same level... then just did dungeon splice... works with my monk, feral druid and mage

just doesnt work for balance

[upper anvil]

Am i gonna get another bad vault tomorrow and be depressed @lofty depot

[forest cobalt]

never done mdt sims and single target i thought it changes a bit for stat prio

[upper anvil]

Raid st changes a bit for stat prio. But for keys just run 1t 5 m and call it a day

[vivid quiver]

cant be depressed if u dont expect anything and open up to amazement

[potent cargo]

ya bc its shit

[upper anvil]

Aoe just go pack some dummies for a few mins imo

[upper anvil]

My bar has been low since week one. Its been terrible vaults

[craggy sonnet]

mdt sim prolly likes a tad more haste

[upper anvil]

But its ok I still pump

[craggy sonnet]

but other than that st patchwerk is aight

[forest cobalt]

okay thanks clankz

[craggy sonnet]

but just cause you used to do dslice sims, doesnt mean it got you reasonable results

[vivid quiver]

my kotg vault is like a 70% to be disappointed

my ec is like a 75% to be ok with

[upper anvil]

My resto guildie gets all the boomie gear. I get all the resto gear

It ain't fair man

[delicate perch]

swap accounts

[vivid quiver]

if i see Haste mas gear im happy

[delicate perch]

[vivid quiver]

if i see a araz trinket or a antenna im happy

[upper anvil]

Ima swap you

[vivid quiver]

if i see one pair of shoulders(not catalyzing) or legs to catalyze im happy

otherwise im socket and meh

[delicate perch]

[vivid quiver]

but it is what it is

[delicate perch]

I'm sensing a socket this week

[upper anvil]

A ring would be nice. A myth dignet

Singet

[vivid quiver]

i had to pass up the high haste low mastery neck last week

cause it wasnt gonna help my kotg set

[upper anvil]

Myth trinket wouldn't be bad

[vivid quiver]

for raid

[delicate perch]

"had to"

oh right minigame

[vivid quiver]

yea let me get the picture

it was tier helm over the neck

[upper anvil]

Seems fine. It do be a myth helmet tier

[vivid quiver]

one day it comes back or i recraft my neck when i get another one for my raid set

yea it is what it is

[upper anvil]

I do think myth tier do be better then the neck. At worst you'll just farm a hero one

[vivid quiver]

no ye i have a hero one

its not bad.

[upper anvil]

Since helmet does get you more stata

[vivid quiver]

i already had a crafted neck this week

[delicate perch]

ya I took helm last week for cata

[vivid quiver]

so it wouldve only been used for EC

[delicate perch]

decent enough upgrade and a socket target

[upper anvil]

Crafting a nexk this week

[vivid quiver]

but kotg gear set prio is more till dimensius is dead

[delicate perch]

hopefully myth weapon and he has 2x threads

[vivid quiver]

i didnt have to craft a wep i got a mythic wep week 1

[upper anvil]

I miss when it was just mastery hastw

[delicate perch]

[muted sleet]

i would have taken that neck in a heartbeat

[upper anvil]

I hate gearing crit and verse when keys gear is different

[delicate perch]

ya it's lame

but luckily most of the slots are kinda locked in

[upper anvil]

Its mostly jewelry but still

[delicate perch]

swap maybe a tier slot/rings and neck and trinkets

[muted sleet]

could just catalyst helm off plexus

[vivid quiver]

i wouldve loved to but when ur raiding and kotg is the prio for 6/8 bosses including last 2 ur trolling if u take neck over a gear upgrade

[upper anvil]

Maybe braces and belt being crit mastery

But I stand my point

[haughty moon]

why is there a change to how we open burst with 2 charges of ca? doesn't doing trees this way mean that the surges are not buffed by24%?

[delicate perch]

you trees early because you cancel first ca early

[lofty depot]

because it does more dam

[haughty moon]

do you press second ca immediately after convoke regardless of how long is left on first ca or if dryad window still hasn't closed?

[vivid quiver]

but if u cancel doesnt that mean u lose 2 dryad starsurges? that was the only part i never understood about it

[upper anvil]

The charges stay i believe

[potent nimbus]

anyone know where i can find a sundered firmament WA?

[upper anvil]

You're empowering your next ca

[haughty moon]

no they're not canceling, they're getting balance on the new ca

i'm just not understanding why we don't want the buffed surges under trees buff

[haughty moon]

i think the oi wa pack has one

i ripped mine from there

[lofty depot]

u have it under trees buffed

what u mean

[digital berry]

Wait wait wait I means jastors I’m stupid

[craggy sonnet]

the dryad fades and you immediately get your favor buff for the buffed surges

[lofty depot]

when u press new ca the dryad depsawns

and u get them

go try out the rotation and see

[vivid quiver]

ah i see

[craggy sonnet]

we do get the buffed surges under trees buff

[potent nimbus]

it does! thanks!

[haughty moon]

trees last 10s convoke is 4, there's 4 free gcds to spend ap in the first window

otherwise you cap

and the second surge would be like riding the borderline to get in trees buff

[digital berry]

you trees ca dump convoke ca surgex2

If you have 2 cas

If you have one you just have 2 seconds to cast 2 surges it’s really not that tight

[lofty depot]

ok and the sim says its worse to have those 4 gcds with w.e. u want ot ask than to press ca surge surge

int from trinket go brr

[normal pilot]

there's no point giving up treant buff for CA uptime

CA is one of the worst CDs in the game

[haughty moon]

i agree

that's why i'm confused

[normal pilot]

why

you keep tryign to maintain hgigher CA uptime

[haughty moon]

before you opened trees 2 gcds after ca

[normal pilot]

instea you just drop it early

[haughty moon]

to priority the trees buff timing

[craggy sonnet]

is there a question here?

[normal pilot]

why would you waste 4 gcds inside CA

just drop 3 gcd + convoke

[haughty moon]

because i have a shit ton of ap and i want to starsurge?

[normal pilot]

who cares as longas yo udon't cap

[haughty moon]

so you're saying just to overcap then

[craggy sonnet]

when do you overcap

can you explain

[upper anvil]

You don't overlap tho??

[normal pilot]

there's no need to spend down to 0 in CA

[upper anvil]

You instantly ca again and surge 3 times

How are you capped after this

[haughty moon]

i want to get below 35 before convoke

[craggy sonnet]

ok

so why do you enter with 120?

[haughty moon]

because i enter double ca with 100+ ap starting

and tree instantly puts me to 120

[upper anvil]

How are yoy entering with 100 tho

I don't have this issue

[haughty moon]

i store ap before burst

[normal pilot]

don't store ap?

[craggy sonnet]

well

store some ap 🙂

[normal pilot]

you're making up problems trying to extend time you spend in CA

[craggy sonnet]

but also

you mostly can 3x surge before convoke

[lofty depot]

and u press ca then dump surges

[craggy sonnet]

esp during lust

[lofty depot]

lust aint shit

is very shrimple

[upper anvil]

I thought we went over shrimple ans common sense isnt a thing man

[craggy sonnet]

wdym lust aint shit

you need some decent haste to 3x surge before convoke

[lofty depot]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[grizzled nimbus]

Hey guys is signet of priory or lily of eternal weave better at same ilvl?

[tardy hare]

sim it

[haughty moon]

was the increase from the rotation assuming you use araz's trinket? bc the int decays?

[lofty depot]

u gain a little less if ur using lily

[haughty moon]

ah

[craggy sonnet]

but lily is also just shit

for kotg st

[vivid quiver]

yea also a factor is lily is only active 12 secs

[haughty moon]

well i don't have alternative

[vivid quiver]

vs i think signet is 20

[craggy sonnet]

farm signet

[haughty moon]

lily is 15s

[vivid quiver]

and forge is 30

ok 15 but even then in the old 2x CA

it wasnt up for both CA anyway

[haughty moon]

yes it was

you still canceled ca early

[craggy sonnet]

?

when did you cancel

when did you use lily

[river galleon]

Hi! Quick question. Our guild is progressing mythic Araz right now and i am trying to figure out something. When i analyze Warcraftlogs for balance druids i see them running that lighting rod option for belt. Is it bug for the site or really this one is stronger than versatility one?

[maiden pasture]

It's a tooltip bug

[craggy sonnet]

bug i think

[maiden pasture]

They're not actually running that

[haughty moon]

as soon as i saw 1 sec left on dryad exiting

[river galleon]

That's what i thought, because have not seen Rod damage

thanks.

[haughty moon]

and signet wouldn't be up for the second ca either

[digital berry]

What are you essentially wondering about

Im confused

After reading the whole discussion

[haughty moon]

he just saying lily isn't up for both ca windows

and i'm saying signet isn't either

i just didn't understand the gain for the change

i always tried to maximize surges in ca so this seemed like it forces me to cut 1 or 2

i just wanted to understand what drove it

[digital berry]

More boat for convoke = good, if applicable, more int from Araz = very good

[haughty moon]

the int comment made it make sense for me

you want dryad surges earlier in the burst when int is higher

but i don't have araz

so i will hit a dummy and see

[full sleet]

how much of a dmg increase is 4 set from 2 set?

[lofty depot]

like 6% or something

[full sleet]

okay so not much

im finally getting 4 set tomorrow was hoping it was more xd

[river galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-wtf-gif-25758871

6% is not much?

[full sleet]

is that a lot idk i was hoping like 10% or something

2 set 2 set feels kind of nice ngl

[lofty depot]

yea they nerfed our set

and gave us aura buff

[craggy sonnet]

you wont see anything hitting a dummy

and signet is up for the entire thing

can you clarify again .. did you use lily with 1s on dryad?

or did you 2nd ca with 1s on dryad

[craggy sonnet]

unless you are suggesting that 12+4+whatever many surges is more than 20s

[wind mason]

6% * 0 is still 0, 6% just wont help the spec now

[grand niche]

Well I think we have all come to terms with our fates...so all we can hope for are these incremental aura buffs until they can rework us yet again

[wind mason]

sigh

[lofty depot]

"rework us yet again"

implying anything theyve done in the last expansion should be considered a rework

[normal pilot]

why so glum you're getting housing next xpac so much hype

[ionic oak]

True

Since we gonna have so much time in their cuz bench

[normal pilot]

i bet you can buy some bench mtx

[tough bobcat]

Gastank can I ask what you mean by EC +-2% dungeon routes for the incoming buff?

Is it depending on how you pull or?

In m+*

[lofty depot]

mdt sim is how u sim dungeons

its hardly 100% accurate, open to flaws between comps / said tank being dawgshit.... so its an estimate on how much damage u might see

[obsidian jetty]

he said ~2% (around) not +- (plus or minus)

will be different based on the route in mdt

[tough bobcat]

Oh right sorry I missread

Well, guess I'll get to see tomorrow :D thanks for answers

[dim phoenix]

Im so confused wowhead tells me haste is my worst stat for raid but every top raider i see have 20-30% haste, i have 10% can someone explain stat prio for boomy please?

[ionic oak]

Probably showing non boomie form stats

Which makes haste look bigger

[craggy sonnet]

you are probably not looking at them in raid gear

[delicate perch]

ya I doubt that

[dim phoenix]

So this is correct?

I parse dogshit and i cant understand why im used to always parsing 90+

[delicate perch]

sim your own character is correct but generally haste is quite bad for keeper in raid yes

[normal pilot]

stats are never the reason you parse dogshit

[dim phoenix]

Do you use stats weights sim or what?

[delicate perch]

top gear

[normal pilot]

post a log when ppl are around to review them

you're not doing bad cuz of your gear stats

you're just playing poorly

[dim phoenix]

when i compare my logs to the top people i see that their starsurge dmg is alot higher then me is it because im not focusing enough to starsurge when i hit boa?

[delicate perch]

are you using the new opener/rotation inside of ca

a lot makes me think no

[dim phoenix]

please explain brother

[delicate perch]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium is updated too I think (?)

[dim phoenix]

thats exactly what i do

[delicate perch]

well you'll need to post a log otherwise it's just guess work which is far less fun

[normal pilot]

ya you need to post a log, there's very little ppl can help you without one

[dim phoenix]

I mean this is a dogshit 1 with low uptime and a struggling guild but here, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wpCVDPxRgj2k3GAh?fight=3&type=damage-done

[delicate perch]

which druid are you

[dim phoenix]

biggpopa

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kZXH3fcPzGx18KR2?fight=13&type=damage-done

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would-do-that-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies-gif-17527378

[royal zenith]

ayyy caramba

[delicate perch]

[tepid mountain]

lightning bolt, lightning bolt!

[pallid bay]

you're not understanding how to play around your tierset

[royal zenith]

bro's holding cooldowns to pad on adds

unfortunate

[delicate perch]

kinda based honestly (I tried ec and it was a BIG mistake)

[lofty depot]

"u do that"

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

but ur no ca-ing at that 10s

[royal zenith]

EC is terrible yes

[pallid bay]

so when you press CA, you get a dryad, when the dryad is up you store damage in a pool, when the dryad disappears you gain a buff that buffs your next 2 starsurges

you want those 2 starsurges to do as much damage as possible

[tough wagon]

Err sunfire

[royal zenith]

I think that if you want to parse well on soulbinder you just join a demon group

where nothing days

[lofty depot]

seems liek a lot of fun movement going on

[royal zenith]

dies *

[delicate perch]

ya

[pallid bay]

meaning you want stuff like trinket, treants dmg buff up, CA to be up for it

[delicate perch]

I'm just going keeper next week full send the boss (I will not send anything but I will do my best )

[lofty depot]

1. ur using ca 1 improperly
2. u dont need to enter eclipse to then press ca

[delicate perch]

[tepid mountain]

but dont u wanna eclipse before u eclipse?

[tawdry oak]

Ayy yo

[lofty depot]

thats a sentance

[dim phoenix]

holy im getting alot of smoke trying to sort out the real tips to improvement here

[pallid bay]

well the most important part is playing your tierset correctly

thats where you start

[delicate perch]

none of it is smoke it just help

[royal zenith]

He even added text in screenshots, pretty sure thats you getting help though

don't feel attacked

[delicate perch]

lotta confusion on your part

[dim phoenix]

i dont feel attacked i was joking i really appreciate the help

[tepid mountain]

dont feel bad i still have no idea how tier set works XD

[royal zenith]

GOOD

now smoke him

!

[delicate perch]

phew time to be toxic

GET HIM

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

[tepid mountain]

i got kill on M soul after our raid lead made me swap resto and 5 heal , thought she was memeing me but we got it that next pull loool

[dim phoenix]

so first question i dont need to enter eclipse and then hit ca i just dot treent ca on pull or what?

after dots ofc

[lofty depot]

well the prepull stuff is because its free damage

[tepid mountain]

yea i think ur opener u wanna treants dots then starsurge once CA into wraths to FULL AP then starsurge spam

[lofty depot]

the entering eclipse part is rotationally

[royal zenith]

it's pretty normal to go 5 heal on soulbinder prog

[lofty depot]

in the middle of ur thought process it just looks weird when u cast liek taht

u pressed trees then casted to enter eclipse

u thought u needed to enter eclipse

u wasted 2 gcds of tree buff

you also, just dont CA at that time

[dim phoenix]

idk why but i thought boa stacked 😄

[pallid bay]

me press CA and get dryad friend - me press dmg abilities - dryad go sleep - me starsurge with big buffs big dmgur

[tepid mountain]

wat buff look like?

[pallid bay]

symbiosis

[urban crescent]

why do we trees before ca, we dont have trees buff for the 2 bug surges anymore?

[royal zenith]

like a dryad giving you favor

[tepid mountain]

do buff have a timer?

like it expire?

[tepid mountain]

favor stay on till used?

[royal zenith]

they're 2 buffed starsurges

aka 'charges'

[delicate perch]

think it has a timer but you'd have to be afk to not spend them in time

[urban crescent]

with the new opener doesnt that mean we no longer have treants buff for buffed surges

i am confused

[delicate perch]

trees go earlier
ca pressed 2nd time earlier
buff timed good

[royal zenith]

what are you confused about, it's literally less gcd's?

you just spend asp and right after convoke you slap the 2nd ca

[urban crescent]

oh does pressing ca during another ca insta kill the dryad

[pallid bay]

15s

[lofty depot]

dryad despawns when u press ca

[royal zenith]

ye

[urban crescent]

ok

thanks

that makes sense

[royal zenith]

[urban crescent]

apolocheese

so you just hit cap insta during voke then refresh ca

makes sense

cap is so low anyway

[tepid mountain]

so dryad despawns and u get buff after CA expires, then u starsurges and insta go into next CA?

oooo voke caps and u get buff

[pallid bay]

after dryad expires

dryad 10s CA 12s

[urban crescent]

so did the clanker just randomly figure this optimization out

kinda cool

[tepid mountain]

wish i could just moonfire spam

[urban crescent]

[lofty depot]

"the clanker"

thats crazy

[urban crescent]

the robot

whatever

[lofty depot]

the robot doesnt do anything

[urban crescent]

oh

damn

useless ass clankers

[jaunty blaze]

Bro thinks the computer is thinking

[urban crescent]

[jaunty blaze]

It just computes

[urban crescent]

my knowledge of the clankers is currently very little and i will continue to keep it that way fuck the robot

just tell me what gear to equip and be quiet

[pallid bay]

clanker is just a glorified calculator

need to put something in to get the result

[urban crescent]

well thanks to the brilliant human mind that figured it out and not the wireback

[pallid bay]

[loud kettle]

Calling me a clanker?

[lofty depot]

nah that human then did some sim shit for nexus-command

had to bring his resto shit here

[urban crescent]

does that work for non healers

surely not

[stone ledge]

Please do not fuck the robot

[loud kettle]

Of course it does

[craggy sonnet]

Damn.. so who is talking smack about me now and who is just shitting on actual clankers

[dim phoenix]

ah question boys, i think i understand the opener know but after my dryad buff fades if im not ap capped should i enter eclipse or wait for trees if possible to get more dmg buff on my 2 starsurge buffs?

[urban crescent]

😳

[fossil hemlock]

You should make sure to have enough AP to cast the 2 buffed surges inside your celestial alignment

[loud kettle]

Everyone is referring to both for maximal dissing

[dim phoenix]

i dont think you understand what i ment

[tepid mountain]

i dont think u knew what u meant

[fossil hemlock]

You asked if you should enter eclipse, you should not have to reenter eclipse

[dim phoenix]

So you mean i saw ap for 2 starsurge that i use after the dryad fade and ca fade 2 sec window?

save*

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, you want to have enough astral power to send 2 surges in the 2 second window between dryad fades and CA fades

[dim phoenix]

thanks!

[deft crown]

for 13-15 keys do i need to gear swap? Rightnow i have a big haste ring to wear for M+ and the belt haste buff that i am chaging between raid and m+, rest is just raiding gear.

[pallid bay]

artic is the only one talking shit..

[lofty depot]

wcyd

[urban crescent]

standard...

[dire osprey]

u can prob do an m+ sim but generally haste is way better for m+

[stone ocean]

hit me with it are we meta

[dire osprey]

[lofty depot]

no

[sudden flame]

[pale halo]

[native wind]

i have 2 question:

1. Is there a WA to check wether I have hit cap damage in my dryad window.
2. After i cap damage during dryad, do I instantly press another CA while the previous CA still up to send the 2 buffed starsurge
   or
   use the 2 sec window to surge then only start a new CA

[jaunty blaze]

Press convoke cap is met nothing to track

And buffed surges fill the second one

[lofty depot]

1. there is a weakaura but u hit cap from 40m damage which is done with like 2 starfalls in an aoe or a convoke press natty. its very small cap
2. yes, with the new sequence u send 2nd CA right after convoke.

40m (based on like 120k int)... at 150 its 50m

[native wind]

got it, thank you 💯

[native wind]

that make perfect sense. got it.

[round field]

New cd window sounds whack

Wdym i cancel first ca half way in

Good game design

[craggy sonnet]

you liked it more when you had to throw wet noodle wraths that second half of it?

[round field]

No

Definitely not

Its just odd

Just make casting ca again add the duration

Smh

[native wind]

follow up question, is it a good idea to pool 2 CA again or just use it when convoke and tree is aligned.

[tawny cloud]

Any good tips or pointers for myth araz? I feel like i do 0 dmg to the orbs. Should I just focos on the big add and boss or how do you guys handle the dmg?

[hexed valley]

U dont do dmg to orbs

Maybe 1-2 starfalls but dont bother dotting

[tawny cloud]

Ive tried dropper 2 starfalls. Sunfire the boss while they go though him to get 1 dot on them, tried with trees to get 2 Dots and also hit with the burst from them..

[royal zenith]

you can align trees with add spawns (which will moonfire adds)

and send one global of sunfire

[hexed valley]

Yeah send one sunfire when they spawn

[royal zenith]

depending on your build can either perma starfall if echo is up, or just focus boss dam

[hexed valley]

On Boss

[royal zenith]

depends on how you play the fight and comp

[hexed valley]

Imo starfalling the Echo is Not worth it

Just do st

[royal zenith]

I went full boss damage cause we had 2 warlocks and 2 mages

and a spriest

your starfall tickles echo

[hexed valley]

Ur Main dmg comes from the intermission mainly

Just use Ur trees on cd and have it ready when Boss Gets more dmg

Trees most likely will be up on add spawn anyway

[tawny cloud]

And hold 2 ca and convoke for intermission

Dmg amp phase

[sonic crag]

Maybe it's ticklish!

[royal zenith]

[royal zenith]

ye

but with the buff/gear you need to check if you guys will get 2nd dmg amp

I think the strat right now is to push boss before 2nd intermission (pylons) even happen

[craggy sonnet]

you gotta deliberately try to push before 2nd inter

and i dont think it makes the fight much easier

[royal zenith]

yeah but he won't have any influence on that

so if his group decides to go for that strat, gotta adapt

[craggy sonnet]

sure. hope he/they know already. doesnt really affect 1st amp tho I reckon

[tawny cloud]

We are only at 1st intermission atm. With many messups on all kinda of stuff. But I notice i get convoke ready when tower part starts. And ive used the CD's there to get the tower down because I lacked dps on it

(I know i should keep it for amp.phaae)

[royal zenith]

you do want to hold your cd's for dmg amp at some point

yeah for prog its fine

seeing more of the fight is important

[tawny cloud]

Yeah thats kinda what i thought. At the time too 😅 but i just wanted to see how others do and what comments you have for the fight. As i feel like in really weak on the dps for the foght

[royal zenith]

oh we're pretty shit in general for that fight

in terms of effective dps

you can look good on logs by focusing more on doing damage to adds, but that's about it

you can also check out https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/druid-balance/forgeweaver-araz

to see where and when people press cd's

but like holding cd's for 20 seconds on pull, is deliberately trying to align your burst with small adds/echo

[tawny cloud]

I looked at it yesterdsy and nr 1 did 1 ca. 1 ca. 1 ca?

[royal zenith]

yeah he's aligning it with add spawns

[tawny cloud]

Yeah it looks like that. Guess I know what to study in the weekend 🤣 really need to get better at reading logs

[royal zenith]

You can also have a look at talents people are using

if they play things like Aetherial kindling / Twin moons, you know they are focusing on doing add damage

well 'focusing on' is strong wording

[craggy sonnet]

cant see whatever that first guy did being actually optimal

[tawny cloud]

Ive used logs to make specc for each boss too yeah

I guess the extended Dots from starfall is to get a little more dmg on boss and big add while hitting orbs?

[royal zenith]

technically you can keep dots up on echo for a long time and in intermission on pillars

[tawny cloud]

Yeserday i was put in a corner far away from the echo, so no Dots for me 🤣

[dire osprey]

i stand in the middle of the room starfalling all the adds that are up + 3 collectors and i still do less dps there then like a frost dk single targetting the collector

was fun

also the arcane mages parsing an 8 being same dps/slightly above

love this raid so far

[tardy hare]

can someone explain why are we sendin 2nd ca right after convoke? explain me like im five

its just because sending wraths with ca is waste of the buff itself?

[pallid bay]

me use cd - me fill pool big dmgur - pool filled me press cd again quick more stats - me press cd later less stats - more stats bigger pool - bigger pool gooder small pool bad

[tardy hare]

thank you mister! could you explain me like im 39 (next week)?

[frozen patio]

Anyone played boomy after buff? How it feels

[tardy hare]

It isn't live anywhere yet?

[minor swift]

I get it now

[minor swift]

Is it not live on US reset? Is that later today? Idk time zones

[royal zenith]

few hours me thinks

[minor swift]

Did not know Lorrgs existed, that’s great

[tawny cloud]

My guess is that you get to send more surges during tress. But im not a numbers guy so dont take my Word for it 😅

[silk shard]

i think it's to get your 4-set buffed surges in a CA

[tawny cloud]

You do that too in a single Ca throw if you dont have 2 ca

[jaunty blaze]

More boat value more trinket value

If you dont have araz trinket dont do it because it wont be much of an increase

[pallid bay]

If you don't have araz trinket play something else

[jaunty blaze]

I mean even if you do you probably should

[tawdry oak]

Is araz trinket 1.30 CD?

[dire osprey]

2

[tawdry oak]

Ew

Have the priory trinket and I hate it

[dire osprey]

wym ew it lines up with the voke

[tawdry oak]

I just don't like it

For m+

[jaunty blaze]

Utter voke nonsense

[tawdry oak]

I need a 1.30

[dire osprey]

go get a lily then

[tawdry oak]

Yeh need vault to help me out

[dire osprey]

but for raid u probably wanna hold it anyway lol

[lime swallow]

hey guys? anyone can help me how to sim for m+ ?

[past whale]

i use patchwerk, 2 min, 5 bosses

[round field]

dont listen to whatever this guy said

[lime swallow]

is it normal that for m+ it gives me focus on haste and in single target it focuses on mastery?

[past whale]

but im curious about other versions. my former gm said that, this is the way

[lime swallow]

i do patchwerk 1.5mins 8targets without raidbuffs

but it doesnt feel right

[round field]

thats cause it isnt

do a dungeonroute sim

[lime swallow]

i do dungeon slice

is that what you mean?

but dungeon slice says my character is not eligible for that kind of simmin

[round field]

no

dungeonroute

[jade flume]

Mdt sim is what he means

I think it should be mentioned in dreamgrove guide but not sure

[kindred orchid]

It is

[scenic mist]

https://keystone.guru/routes/tww/season/3

[kindred orchid]

It’s buff day though!!! And we’re getting an extra nerf to ara-kara its most certainly excellent

[minor swift]

Wait so the opener changed again to what was effectively the opener before 4pc

Or am I misunderstanding

[tough bobcat]

I'm honestly more excited for all the mobs that gets to F-off in HoA

That place sucks to try and make a route for, gonna be so much better now

[fossil hemlock]

Sort of correct but not fully, the main difference to before 4p is that you cut the first CA short by using second CA right after convoke finishes

[lofty forge]

Does someone have the rough lose / gain for ST and AOE from going keeper over elunes chosen in 15+ keys?

[lofty depot]

U can sim go sim it if u'd like but no

[lofty forge]

Aight, ty

[round field]

its rly good

turns ur 15 into a 14 so its easier next time you attempt it

hope that helps

[lofty forge]

That good, sounds perfect then

[strong bloom]

Hey boomies, quick question. I see that everyone casts CA before treants. What is the benefit of this?

[minor swift]

Apparently not anymore

But idk

[maiden pasture]

The old opener delayed trees 2 globals into CA to make sure your dryad surges were in the trees window

The new opener however does trees before CA because you cancel your CA with the second charge to have it fit in

[round field]

bad game design

[strong bloom]

so treants stay first then CA as of today?

[maiden pasture]

Yes, check the pins

[strong bloom]

thank you!

silly question

[maiden pasture]

Not silly

[strong bloom]

just for my understanding, what does delayed tress 2 global into CA mean

[maiden pasture]

It's fine to want to understand

Before we would do

CA -> 2x surge -> trees

[lofty depot]

The old iteration used to be CA surge surge trees. The surge surge part of that is 2 globals

[maiden pasture]

Now we don't

[lime swallow]

so after i put the export of mdt in the footer section in raidbots

how many targets and minutes to put it to sim?

[strong bloom]

aaaaah

[lime swallow]

or does it cancel it?

[maiden pasture]

Unless you only have one charge of CA, then you still do the 2 global delay

[scenic mist]

this

[strong bloom]

thanks guys!

[lofty depot]

U just send it normally. The funny lines u added change the stuff

[lime swallow]

so just export simc with the mdt weak aura into the footer section and just sim

[lofty depot]

Yeet

[lime swallow]

yeet indeed

man wow has become so multi layered god damn

[lofty depot]

I don't sim for m+

[lime swallow]

should i just sim for ST ? patchwer 1target 6mins with buffs? cause it focuses on mastery instead of haste

if i do that

[lofty depot]

The decisions u make prekey largely don't matter because u already fucked up by wanting to add to ur mental illness by doing said content

[lime swallow]

im new to balance been playin bear my whole life

[lofty depot]

St is 1t5m

[hollow patio]

I have a silly question.
With the new opener, don’t we lose 2 buffed starsurges?
Or am i missing the Point.

[lofty depot]

And I largely slam that and understand that in m+ the difference is I want more haste so I change my necks and rings

[lofty depot]

No

The dryad despawns when u press ca

[lime swallow]

also you sim with the keeper of the grove talents or with the elune m+ ?

[lofty depot]

I don't sim EC ever

[hollow patio]

Ah okay, thx mate

[lime swallow]

hmm i see

[lofty depot]

Because again as stated, the content it's used for and the hero talent itself is dawgshit

And cringe

And enables mental illness

Down with the minigamers

[cinder flume]

what is the minigame, see you guys talking about it a lot

[lofty depot]

Don't ask, it's bad for your mental

[cinder flume]

lol

[lime swallow]

im clueless for real

no clue what any of this means xD

[sudden flame]

minigamers

[lofty depot]

Remember when u would buy call of duty and then say wow it has zombies that sounds fun. And then u played it for specifically that and not what the game was actually made to be played around.

That's m+ in wow

[hollow patio]

So for my understanding, after Convoke, im going to press CA and just dump my AP and everything is gucci till next CA where i send tress After 2 globals right?

[lofty depot]

Yes

Anytime u have 2 CAs u do the new opener

Anytime you have 1, u delay trees 2 gcds

[lime swallow]

i mean what else to do

[lofty depot]

Raid dork

[cinder flume]

Ooh, i get it. don't agree but i get it

[hollow patio]

Understood, thx mate

[lofty depot]

Like god intended

[lime swallow]

if you dont have a a guild that does mythic and even that is like 2-3 days a week

[fossil hemlock]

Do whatever you feel like doing, some people enjoy m+ other people don't

[lime swallow]

what about the rest of it

[lofty depot]

Find one

[lime swallow]

yeah ofcourse im just conversing

[lofty depot]

No one enjoys m+

Fuggn liar

[lime swallow]

i mean

pug m+

[fossil hemlock]

A lot of people just like wow for the raiding, so they just play other games or do other hobbies when they're not raiding/prepping for raid

[lime swallow]

is pain

premade m+ is fun

i love raiding tho to be fair

[fossil hemlock]

The term "raid logging" is real

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[lime swallow]

i get that

dont u lose some of the raid prep and gearing without the vault and/or trinkets or items from m+ ? legit a question

[fossil hemlock]

That's part of raid prep

[lofty depot]

Yea, it's unforch

[lime swallow]

ah i see

[fossil hemlock]

You do 8 weekly +10s

[lime swallow]

ye thats what i mean

[lofty depot]

U have to play thing 8 times a week after the initial "I need preraid bis"

[fossil hemlock]

But much like m+ers don't like doing raid to get gear for m+, I'm not a huge fan of doing m+ to get gear for raid

I don't mind it, but I'd rather not

[lime swallow]

fair

its kinda shit that you have to do both content if you want to go competitive etc.

[lofty depot]

Both are still a requirement for the other

[lime swallow]

when you dont like one or the other

[lofty depot]

Then again, things like doing delves are just as cringe

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah I mean they went out of their way to separate pvp and pve, they just need to take the next step and separate m+ and raid now

[lime swallow]

delves are absolutely fckin garbage man

hahaha

[lofty depot]

And it would've been cool to see them add something for don't kyveza ?? Week 0

And there for after

But meh

[lime swallow]

yeah like choose a path or something

[fossil hemlock]

Well yesn't, choosing means the madlads that enjoy both can't enjoy both

[lofty depot]

Pvp is worse mental illness than m+

[fossil hemlock]

For real

[lime swallow]

pvp is legit nightmare material

[hollow patio]

I enjoyed RBG but they just don’t care about it

[fossil hemlock]

Of all the games to choose to pvp in, I can't believe people unironically choose this one

[lime swallow]

yo pvp back in the day was goated

ngl

now its absolute trash

[cinder flume]

I don't really think is that shit, the logic is sound, there must be an incentive to doing different content in the game. It's just that sometimes item balance is dogshit and people feel obligated to do it, but if there was an alternative item in the raid that's like -0.5% less dmg I wouldn't bother

[lime swallow]

especially arena

thats what i meant by saying that

[fossil hemlock]

You spelt daniel backwards wrong

[lime swallow]

when something is bis by a longshot

people are forced to farm it

in m+ when they wanna raid

[lofty depot]

The problem is the farmable content u need to do is something u don't want to do

[lime swallow]

"forced"