balance

[scenic mist]

barkskin in dixhuit kinda owns tho

[lucid olive]

powèr affùsìôn

[scenic mist]

timeh speeral

[loud kettle]

Swarm weakaura hm

[scenic mist]

@lucid olive

rate the move

[potent cargo]

hard carried by someone so much better

that's wild

[lucid olive]

thats a banger clip

[scenic mist]

[craggy sonnet]

can we stop posting fearl clips in here

[potent cargo]

need a cancelaura wild charge mouseover macro

wouldn't need an evoker to babysit

[scenic mist]

dont play wc on dimmy

[craggy sonnet]

but that was clutch as hell

[potent cargo]

truly unfortunate

[scenic mist]

brings you to the exact middle in p1

[potent cargo]

evoker carry for sure then

[scenic mist]

get blasted by tanks

[potent cargo]

gamer

[loud kettle]

skull bash

[scenic mist]

yeah i do skull bash

[loud kettle]

Melee range is nonexistent so free charges

[scenic mist]

but this is knock#2 and he's attrib to rescue me

so i dont gaf about positionning

[scenic mist]

not exactly true, there is way to fuck it up

but after 100+ pulls it's 100% winrate on my skull bashes

[loud kettle]

Its gotta take talent to not get the charge

[scenic mist]

i mean if you're too close you just "empty kick"

and 13y isnt a lot

so the wiggle room aint that big

you'll see

[loud kettle]

yea i just mean melee range is so small

[scenic mist]

remember this and tell me how it goes for you

[loud kettle]

Almost seems like a challenge to kick before ur out of melee

[scenic mist]

yeah but it also doesnt make any sense

sometimes you think you're in melee and you're not

sometimes it's the opposite

[scenic mist]

so i thought before failing skull bash over and over

cause the way you are knocked

[loud kettle]

Ill be different, built that way.

[scenic mist]

and the way the boss range works

is you are actually farther from him at the begginning

get closer

and then get away

something like this

no need to pay me for this work of art btw

[loud kettle]

Insane that the hitbox is a circle that doesnt fit the platform

So annoying

[hard dawn]

POGGER

[scenic mist]

wcyd, small indie company

[drifting nova]

relying on others smh

[scenic mist]

yeah they're called healers

[keen ore]

for ec do you mf every add in pull or do you spot after a sec

[scenic mist]

always and forever

[lucid olive]

[dapper wing]

Adept. This is good shit lol

[dense steeple]

@clever vigil seek help brother lmfao

[lofty depot]

whats hte problem

[dapper wing]

Nah dog

I want to see my rotation like this each season

This I understand

[normal pilot]

some ppl just don't appreciate peak culture

[clever vigil]

Wtf did i do now

playing moonkin on dimensius is easily the most mentally ill thing i've done this week

[dapper wing]

Hahaha

[craggy sonnet]

that its the wrong rotation

[dense steeple]

i pray for your salvation

[dense steeple]

no its not

[dapper wing]

It's not?

[dense steeple]

oh wait, trees can move yea

[dapper wing]

Thats correct for the opener

[craggy sonnet]

PINS

[lofty depot]

true old rotation

[clever vigil]

waiting for my tweet to drop the new apl is unreal betrayal btw

[dense steeple]

i forgot already that it changed

[clever vigil]

ill remember this

[dapper wing]

Ah

Damn

[dense steeple]

my wife hates adept

i always share the banger tweets and shes like "why did you marry me and not him"

[dapper wing]

Lol

[craggy sonnet]

what .. the betrayal being that you got handicapped on the bench?

[clever vigil]

[normal pilot]

huh i just noticed. you spend 15% of your time casting a spell that does 1% of your damage

[craggy sonnet]

while i see you typing, there is no nexus kings command buff to consume precombat

[normal pilot]

every 5 mintues you slow die 45s at a time

[craggy sonnet]

damn, we love the eclipse system

[scenic mist]

yeah but it could crit !

[loud kettle]

What if you only went into lunar

and used wrath in lunar

Death to starfire

(Its gonna be worse)

[scenic mist]

sounds a lot like df s1

[lofty depot]

surely

[scenic mist]

was the one button rotation early release

[lofty depot]

what if we go into solar for trees

and lunar else

thoughts

[scenic mist]

what if the eclipse moved on its own

[lofty depot]

i would prefer if it didnt exist

[craggy sonnet]

what if we ditch eclipses

[dapper wing]

Ditch eclipse, remove our mastery

Down

[covert coyote]

tell that to mugzee, they sit and spam moonfire on the immune adds

[leaden birch]

guys I do no dmg to the fucking adds on loomithar

[normal pilot]

have you tried starfireing it

[covert coyote]

what adds

no adds only boss

[vital hound]

whyd you swap

werent ya cat

[clever vigil]

just for nexus king

[vital hound]

based they're just tryna help

[vital hound]

cant believe you swapped

(im using everything to live p1)

[dense steeple]

low key i preferred that

[dapper wing]

Atleast that was interactive

But just scrap eclipses

[covert coyote]

does the second CA cast cause the first CA dryad to end and give the 2 stacks of dryads favor?

[dense steeple]

yes

[devout hazel]

so what are we dooming about today guys

[covert coyote]

thats neat

[vital hound]

we suck

mythic+ is still in the game

[potent cargo]

true n real

[dense steeple]

god i wish it werent

[delicate perch]

@lucid olive he's got the opener wrong

[vital hound]

honestly i just want it gone

to read the reddit reaction

holy free content

[delicate perch]

fellowship coming out soon

m+ on its deathbed

[vital hound]

idk its kinda beans

[dense steeple]

so is m+ and look at al lthe people doing that

[delicate perch]

very fun with a group, would be very unfun without

[vital hound]

same as m+

[vital hound]

not only are they doing it soma

they're PAYING to do it

[dense steeple]

imagine

[fickle wing]

Decided to make a moonkin offspec and to try in m+.

Got the elune build rotation seems pretty straightforward but wanted to check about best times/ways to use the cds.

Any that we macro into other spells etc?

[lucid olive]

Nah

Send Incarn with on use trinket

That's about it

[lofty depot]

u can macro ur trinkets, but most of the time cds wise u use them at the start of packs and on cd generally

foe on cd, incarn with foe

[lucid olive]

Send Fury of Elune off cd and know the order you want to press it in opener

Fury of Elune first and then Incarn+Starfall global after

[fickle wing]

Sounds pretty straightforward

[copper rain]

the changes coming are they a buff?

[grim crown]

Between elune and kotg is one of the builds considered better for lower/weekly keys due to less ramp? I'm sure I could find the answer somewhere, I'm looking thru pins now

[paper ember]

Yes

[paper ember]

kotg is usually better in lower keys

[upper anvil]

Just run ec. It doesn't matter tbh

[copper rain]

small %?

[upper anvil]

Yes

[paper ember]

Can refer to pin. 4.7% for kotg and +-2% for ec

[digital berry]

Playing kotg in keys this season sounds like cbt

[paper ember]

He’s referring to lower keys which kotg usually plays better in as there’s not as much ramp and more burst damage on packs.

[digital berry]

And yet ec is probably still better this season specifically

Due to the kotg tier set

Being so weirdly reliant on crits, timing and target capped

[quiet drift]

Dont know what key level you gotta be playing for kotg to be better

4s?

[digital berry]

Heroic

[wild dune]

respec resto

[quiet drift]

Sounds about right

[paper ember]

Honestly probably doesn’t matter for lower keys anyways 🤷🏼‍♂️

[quiet drift]

Sure

Noone is ever stopping you from playing what you want but it is not higher numbers

[delicate perch]

imagine dropping trees in a +4 and stuff dies before you press incarn

[paper ember]

Top dam on boss though 💪🏻

[upper anvil]

[delicate perch]

[leaden birch]

gg my guild is struggling on loomithar

bro how is our 2 destro locks not top dps on the adds

i thought they bang

[digital berry]

They are part of a guild progging loom week 4, they aren’t the creme de la crème

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[dry compass]

tbh they can die so fast now locks wont do that much to them anymore

if you're struggling on the boss they're probably not dying that fast, but can happen

[sinful surge]

what kind of dmg we pulling in 14s?

[lofty depot]

depends on the key

assume easy 8-9m?

[sinful surge]

eco 13

[lofty depot]

"what r we pulling in 14s"
"Idk depends on key"
"eco 13"

U can go look up warcraft logs and see what people r doing in specific keys and specific levels

[fossil hemlock]

The pin says compendium is updated for new double-CA rotation, I assume that only means the rotational priority list and not the opener infographic-esque thing

[sinful surge]

no need to patronize sheesh

[lofty depot]

@lucid olive forgot the openers tab

[lofty depot]

the explanation is correct tho

how to use keeper tier set tab that is

[fossil hemlock]

[noble axle]

hi all I have question what trinket is better I have MYTH track Gigazap's Zap-Cap and HERO track Signet of the Priory and Lily of the Eternal Weave. what 2 rtrinkets use for raid and what for M+

[fossil hemlock]

My first question is why do you have a myth track zap-cap?

[silk shard]

sim it on raidbots

[jaunty blaze]

Real question

[fossil hemlock]

But yeah just raidbots it

[noble axle]

YES

[ionic oak]

200K dps increase from reset... wack but better than nothing

[ionic oak]

they saw myth in vault and said W

[eternal lily]

Treants buff are up for our 2 big surges if we press it for CA now?

[lofty depot]

yes

its less gcds than before

so u have more time

trees buff is like 4 seconds or something when u press 2nd ca

[warm valley]

Feels like such a waste just droppin our CA like that

4 surges every 3 minutes is really all that matters tho

[lofty depot]

higher int from ritual and higher cap when sending

largeeeee

[warm valley]

100M starsurges good

[lofty depot]

100m in amp maybe

[warm valley]

Yeah

[lofty depot]

i hit a 91m on araz last week

[fossil hemlock]

Just to make sure I understand correctly. If you press 2nd CA before first dryad times out it yeets the first dryad and gives you the surge buff?

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

[fossil hemlock]

Cool

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/yeet-lion-king-simba-rafiki-throw-gif-16194362

[jaunty blaze]

[wind mason]

I have to say its a horrible design that you have to cancel your own burst.

[silk shard]

it feels very degenerate for sure

[jaunty blaze]

This whole spec is a horrible design

[silk shard]

man i miss my jackpot shrooms

[jaunty blaze]

It was unironically better than what we have now

[silk shard]

i'm so tired of playing around waning twilight

i think 11.2 first two weeks with 2pc/2pc were so much fun

[distant sphinx]

Hello guyz quick question im comming back to Bala and my question is: Its good in terms of playstyle raid/m+ or better to not touch it ;d ? I saw the charts so i know its not great.

[silk shard]

M+ is okay with EC iirc

[jaunty blaze]

First of all dont call it bala

[loud kettle]

bala dudu

[jaunty blaze]

[royal zenith]

Dala

[distant sphinx]

On my server they call it Star chicken or Bala

[royal zenith]

Bringer of Stars

[silk shard]

what was it called on KR server, like harmony or something?

[royal zenith]

I dont remember, but something like that yea

[distant sphinx]

or resting chicken cause u sit on bench when its raid time KEK

[silk shard]

[wind mason]

more like bala poo poo

[sleek pendant]

Still balance under feral?

[sudden flame]

buff isn't even in yet btw

[wind mason]

but yes

[lucid olive]

I know, it's just more complicated to change so I'm leaving it for later when I get up

[lilac folio]

how do you convince your aotc guild that they might not be mythic material?

[jaunty blaze]

[lilac folio]

kotg opener looking good on overall though

[pallid bay]

well if you have aotc then there's really only one more difficulty to keep challenging yourself

[lilac folio]

maybe unglyph Glyph of Stars for morale? i'm at a loss

[wind mason]

ngl M plex feels easier than H Dimensius

[maiden pasture]

What would you do the whole season? You've got aotc now you afk or what?

[fossil hemlock]

M plex is easier, it has like 3 mechanics

[limpid grotto]

Thanks my guild was wiping on araz yesterday and this was a good morale boost

[limpid grotto]

Raid log for farm rest of season from what some of my friends who play in aotc guilds have said

I think going for mythic makes more sense anyway if you killed Hc dimensius first 2/3 mythic are free ish

[wind mason]

yeah same.

[lilac folio]

I miss mythic raiding, but tbh it feels like same when you're hardstuck 5/8 looking to guild hop

[limpid grotto]

T some point you stop guild hopping

[maiden pasture]

Depends what you play the game for i guess if you wanna get aotc and then just raid log ig do that for sure

For me the fun in wow comes from doing the hardest content with people you enjoy spending time with / who all have a mindset of wanting to improve

[lilac folio]

1 shot 7H, 3 wipes to H Dimensius, hardstuck p1 mythic plexus is sus though, maybe just an off night

[maiden pasture]

where were you actually wiping to?

[lilac folio]

extra action button

[wind mason]

lmao

[delicate perch]

hmm

[wind mason]

make a macro so you don't have to click it

[maiden pasture]

you know you can just keybind it instead of making a macro

[delicate perch]

macro it to a keybind ✅
keybind it ❌

[fossil hemlock]

The northern sky raid tools addon actually has a setting to let you easily do it

And also lets you combine extra action button and the NS assignment macro to that same keybind

[lilac folio]

oh i'm topping and last alive, its the other 19 you dig

[potent cargo]

this is when u quit the guild

no hope

[wind mason]

yes but I dont always use it so I can save a slot for other talent

[wind mason]

yeah how they die lol, just p1 button or intermission button

[lilac folio]

for the giggles, like 5 dead by the end of first intermission, so literally like 36+ stacks on boss, kinda snowballs

hit p1 button too early and hit the far wall, DHs fel rushing, it's comedy

[royal zenith]

I always find it weird when people trash their own group in a public discord

ngl

if you're so good, just leave and go to a better guild

they're aotc for a reason

[loud kettle]

Real

[lilac folio]

true

[potent cargo]

they npcs

no emotions it is what it is

[lilac folio]

its fun to give the mythic raiders who hang out here a laugh every once in while

[maiden pasture]

not really something to laugh at

[potent cargo]

dont listen to the haters

[royal zenith]

ret paladin talking!!

[dire osprey]

r*t paladin

[fathom nebula]

Isnt this wrong according to pin?

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, it'll be updated later

[fathom nebula]

Funny thing is.
Im a shit player and on Fractillus M yesterday i kept forgetting to do the "proper" opener and i did the same as the pins and cut my CA short but everytime i did that my DPS felt like it was higher than when i did it properly.
Was gonna look into my feels today 😄
But this is basically the correct opener now?

Ignore the lack of moonfire

Ive closed down the usage of moonfire in opener until we get buffed

[maiden pasture]

No

You're supposed to insta CA after convoke

[fathom nebula]

poop, i misunderstood it then 😄

aaah

[delicate perch]

just cut the casts after convoke

[fathom nebula]

Wow okey

[maiden pasture]

You did 3 more globals

[delicate perch]

into CA surge

[fathom nebula]

Thats weeeird

[limpid grotto]

Why are those casts bad

[fathom nebula]

How are they bad

[delicate perch]

how are they not

[dire osprey]

[fathom nebula]

Also i reserve the right to be a shit player

[limpid grotto]

Can u explain

Instead of saying how are they not

[delicate perch]

everything is fine until after convoke

[limpid grotto]

Or do you want to reserve an elitist stance

[delicate perch]

now I do actually

you could simply read the pin

[limpid grotto]

Keep at it

[delicate perch]

[fathom nebula]

The fuck are you saying?
The burden of evidence is on you? You told me they are shit, explain how they are

[maiden pasture]

bro

[delicate perch]

[maiden pasture]

the apl says dont do that

its worse for damage

if you do that

[limpid grotto]

The pin says what to do

Not explain why

[fathom nebula]

oh

[delicate perch]

common sense innit

[fathom nebula]

I.. explained?

[ionic surge]

@delicate perch man i almost didnt recognize you until you started arguing

[limpid grotto]

Hearts I’m on your side

[delicate perch]

pin gud

[maiden pasture]

if you want a real expanation, you spawned treeants at 2 seconds, the buff lasts 10 seconds and your first dryad surges were at 14 seconds

theres your reasoning if you want

[fathom nebula]

Here, im a shit player who stopped caring and i fucked up the opener and i did it this way cause that was the best way i could think of salvaging it and this happened yesterday pre-pin 😄

[limpid grotto]

Thank you

[delicate perch]

ahead of the times

[fathom nebula]

obviously

[fathom nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207

[maiden pasture]

i explained

[fathom nebula]

I realize now that came off more hostile, that picture is more the of an accurate depiction of what i mean

😄

[delicate perch]

I for one am shocked at someone becoming hostile because of the way I respond.

[maiden pasture]

the idea behind delaying treants in the original opener was to make sure your surges are in your treeants window, the idea of the new opener is you re-cast CA to be able to get your surges earlier

[dire osprey]

wait

if u press 2nd CA it cuts off the 1st dryad?

and gives u the boost stacks insta?

[delicate perch]

ya

[dire osprey]

damn

[fathom nebula]

oh 😮

that explains it

[delicate perch]

also lets you recast 2nd with higher forge stacks (blocked if no trinket)

[fathom nebula]

So my messed up salvaging attempt of me being a shit player wasnt a DPS gain and it was just a luck of the crits 🙁

[maiden pasture]

100%

you opener is actually like

very bad XD

[fathom nebula]

God yes, i hate the new opener, not using Teants > CA goes against my nature

[dire osprey]

its wild how much a crit can change lol

[delicate perch]

it's so cooked

[royal zenith]

here's my ultra deluxe opener on Nexus

before pin got pinned

[fathom nebula]

and ive closed down the moonfire button obviously and its not because spellque ate it up and i just said fuck it and just let the treants moonfire do it for me

[delicate perch]

we had 2 boomys in for fract and the difference was who got more lucky

[dire osprey]

man

[stone ledge]

dang bro you didnt crit all your surges? get benched

[maiden pasture]

this isnt new, venthyr had similar variance there was just a bit of scaling crit luckily

[dire osprey]

my kill parse on araz was way worse than the wipes before just because i didnt crit during the amps

[maiden pasture]

and thats why i couldnt stand venthyr

[fathom nebula]

Your trinket usage is 0.5 seconds before CA you lost.. maybe something who knows

[royal zenith]

yeah

so

I don't really care

You gain more damage by just playing the game properly and not dying

[maiden pasture]

+1

[fathom nebula]

ooh i like this, this fixes that awkward sunfire refresh!

[royal zenith]

tbh following the opener and how it 'should be' is obviously the best go-to

but if you just wanna vibe, also good

the change described in the pins makes your opener a lot easier anyway

[fossil hemlock]

Oof (I do this so often aswell because I misjudge timings)

[fathom nebula]

On Plexus Mythic i have like a 50 second replay of me trying to keep myself alive by doing every god damn thing possible and i actually lived and got a blue parse for it too

[maiden pasture]

misjudge timings of what

[royal zenith]

Ill be honest, getting the soak done + dodging beams

I'd rather spam my sunfire

then finish my shit ass wrath cast

[maiden pasture]

i cant imagine playing caster on nexus

[royal zenith]

which does infinite (read; zero) dps

[maiden pasture]

i think its like tindral, i will simply only play feral

[dire osprey]

this new burst rot is gonna bang extra hard on araz reclears probably

[maiden pasture]

other bosses ill go bamkin on reclear but caster nexus king just sounds so unfun

[dire osprey]

what about dimmy

last phase looks cancer with the perma movement

[maiden pasture]

i'd have to see what moonkin is like tbh

[fossil hemlock]

Just spec touch the cosmos, shrimple

[maiden pasture]

i wont be progging it either way

[royal zenith]

caster on nexus is fine tbh, but yeah a lot of movement

I wouldn't want to be a priest at least

[maiden pasture]

how often are you just in bear form aswell in that fight as bamkin

[royal zenith]

not as much as I thought

[dire osprey]

[maiden pasture]

cause u cant bark every soak right

[royal zenith]

for now just the invoke cast and if/or I had to use a defensive on soak

or pre-soak

[vital hound]

i think nexus p1

is cancer

intermission + p2 are w/e

p3 idk yet to see

[maiden pasture]

nexus p1 is the most fun i've had on progress in a long time

[royal zenith]

it's bark -> healing cds (including spirit link) -> bark -> invoke bear

[vital hound]

@sudden pawn are you chicken dimmy

[royal zenith]

I do get rescued on 1 and 3 but it's really not needed

[vital hound]

its so fucking sick

[royal zenith]

like spending a gcd in bearform to live is so so much more important

[maiden pasture]

i really enjoy nexus p1, feels like a lot of skill expression

[vital hound]

also

if you're out of cds

you're afk anyway

so what gives

[royal zenith]

yezzir

[vital hound]

agreed

[royal zenith]

our CD's carry hard

[vital hound]

both as a player and a raid

the amount of beam baiting

you can do

is insane

[pallid bay]

there's a french guild with a boomkin on dimmy

i havnt seen him on the damage meter once

[lapis oriole]

beginner question. what Hero choice is better for beginning and fresh 80

[maiden pasture]

😭

[maiden pasture]

what content

[vital hound]

do you have

timers

[maiden pasture]

it doesnt matter too much if you're fresh 80 doing random open world content

[lapis oriole]

generell. questing, dungeons need to learn all stuff and im fresh 80

[royal zenith]

yeah I can check for ya

[vital hound]

thats an emote right there

[vital hound]

ty

bark as well?

[pallid bay]

id just play keeper 1min convoke 45s treants

[vital hound]

ive been bark + bear + bark

[pallid bay]

treants with taunt as well prob

[maiden pasture]

play whichever you like more to start with tbh

[fossil hemlock]

Moonkin clearly top, shooting star is a moonkin talent

Checkmate

[royal zenith]

can also give you that

[maiden pasture]

bro they even got tomelvis off of outlaw 😭

[vital hound]

ive been bark + bear + bark

[lapis oriole]

k ty 🙂

[vital hound]

claws + dot

feel the worst

[pallid bay]

he's not even anything special on amp

[royal zenith]

First Rescue 00:16
Healing cd's
Second Rescue 01:42

[maiden pasture]

its crazy that outlaw stealth gets broken by dimmy portal cause of their hero talent and it wont be fixed because no one cares about outlaw

[pallid bay]

this spec is just..

[royal zenith]

give or take a few miliseconds

[vital hound]

ty

[maiden pasture]

is he doing the new opener tho

[pallid bay]

he shouldnt have double CA

[royal zenith]

I only bear if I have dot or if scratchies have weird overlap

[maiden pasture]

ah

[vital hound]

no time for it anyway

[royal zenith]

you can send your heal straight after scratchie

[fathom nebula]

Whats wrong with this spec? Isnt highest parsing Boomkin supposed to be below a gray parsing Arcane Mage in Nexus Prince?

[royal zenith]

renewel that is

[vital hound]

gotcha

[maiden pasture]

the spec is shit

[vital hound]

where to start

[royal zenith]

and if you're really scared just pre-use bark on scratchie and use bear on soak after

[maiden pasture]

its undertuned and really bad for current fight designs

thats all

[delicate perch]

boomkins hacking actually

he should NOT be that close

[dreamy cove]

why not double ca it's not efficient during p3?

[royal zenith]

Ill be honest, the only boomkins that I've seen doing 'well'

have been given a fuckton of gear

LMAO

Im like bottom of the loot prio list

[vital hound]

forge

is insane

[delicate perch]

how muchmis a fuckton

[royal zenith]

yeah

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

forge mythic / antenna mythic

yoinking myth weapon from vault

[delicate perch]

phew mines only heroic

[dire osprey]

boomkins just sandbagging and crying always!!

they are secretly broken

[royal zenith]

Cotti also get carried by gear....

(jk he's actually good)

[fathom nebula]

Raid Leader: Ress Heartline
Me: Ress the fucking warlock, im useless

Legit what i said 😄

[royal zenith]

as it should be

[maiden pasture]

cotti is cheating

[royal zenith]

I'm extremely happy/grateful my guild gives me the opportunity to play bamkin on nexus but man

you feel so useless after p1

[fathom nebula]

If im not benched on Nexus i riot

[pallid bay]

if you dont have forge on your boomkin

i think just log off

[delicate perch]

agreed

[pallid bay]

the APL isnt even considering you having any other trinket

[maiden pasture]

im happy my RL said theres no way i get to play moonkin on prog so i had to learn feral

[vital hound]

[vital hound]

i got the same message

[delicate perch]

lmfao

[vital hound]

threatened to leave

[delicate perch]

sheeptwo looking for guild

[maiden pasture]

wasnt even a message i got, was just obvious that i wouldnt be rostered if i was to try force this dogshit spec into the raid

[royal zenith]

what do you mean by this question btw?

saw we skipped it

[dire osprey]

only reason im in is because im the only druid probably

[vital hound]

stayed in

[dire osprey]

💀

[vital hound]

only other motw is our one rogue

[delicate perch]

isn't your rogue a gamer

[dreamy cove]

oi said that I assume referring to french druid on p3

[vital hound]

yea

v good

[pallid bay]

like the APL would use all trinkets with CA

[vital hound]

he's also

[delicate perch]

[vital hound]

v good at cat

[pallid bay]

so you wouldnt have it up for the 3rd and 4th surge

[royal zenith]

ah, I'm pretty sure that any boomkin on Dimensius right now

[vital hound]

he said that anything with combo points

he can r1

[royal zenith]

is not playing it efficient AT ALL

[vital hound]

[royal zenith]

cause there's zero logs

[maiden pasture]

from normal cooldown usage you just dont have double CA there , its at like 6:30 or something

I believe

[dreamy cove]

oh I see, thanks

[maiden pasture]

after nerfs who knows maybe guilds that are psycho enough to bring a moonkin have them be completely useless in p2 and just full senda p3

[dreamy cove]

I hope his p1 usage was good because I would've copied that if I'm in

[pallid bay]

u'd cd platforms

[dreamy cove]

don't think it can be bad though it's just standard opener then 1ca convoke at 2

[pallid bay]

it'd be like

CA1 CA2 p1

CA3 with convoke 1st platform

CA4 2nd platform no convoke

CA5 amp with convoke

i think

i havnt actually looked at it

[royal zenith]

probably yeah, you kinda want to make an effort in killing big add

[pallid bay]

he might have swapped to double CA

[maiden pasture]

do you not second 2nd Convoke p1, surely its gotta be more worth

for a bamkin to send convoke and someone more useful can CD plat 1 instead

[vital hound]

is there a way to double ca the burn

[pallid bay]

yeah

[dreamy cove]

idk fight's prob getting nerfed but you hold damage p1 for cds in p2 right?

[maiden pasture]

not a nice way i think XD

[vital hound]

do you just have to sit in ca

[pallid bay]

sunfire treants CA convoke CA

[vital hound]

during the suck

o

true

christ

[pallid bay]

should prob work

[maiden pasture]

you send naked CA plat 1 and do nothing plat 2 to be able to have 2 charges for the burn or

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/tUwW.gif

[pallid bay]

next week it wont matter

[royal zenith]

all depends on timers

it's not heroic

[pallid bay]

if u're progging you're sending both platforms i think

[maiden pasture]

nerfs

[royal zenith]

this

once damage is comfortable you can swap cooldowns around

[pallid bay]

actually this is doing what i said

[maiden pasture]

Ava thinks when we get to the boss it will all be about trying to optimise p3 dam and that you just wanna make 2nd devour ur enrage so you dont have to play the real hard parts of the fight

[pallid bay]

double CA pull, CA 2min, CA 1st, CA 2nd, CA amp

[pallid bay]

if u get another 3% maybe

i dont think the gear will make up for it

[maiden pasture]

yeah this is assuming

[royal zenith]

@vital hound the timers I gave you for the rescues are pretty lenient. Can be off by a few seconds

[maiden pasture]

3% and nerfs

[pallid bay]

depends what u mean by 2nd devour

[royal zenith]

all depends on beams / positioning etc.

[vital hound]

ye allg

[pallid bay]

like 2nd devour is easy, u just hide

[maiden pasture]

nah as in

all the mechanics after 2nd devour are really hard

[pallid bay]

and the next gravity is like when it falls apart

[maiden pasture]

so try kill the boss v soon after

its not the devour specifically uou wanna skip its all the hard parts that come after

thats the idea at least

[pallid bay]

yeah idk people really really suck at everything after 2nd devour

[maiden pasture]

its just hard tbh

[pallid bay]

nah they suck

i've decided

they also suck at doing the rings

[maiden pasture]

[pallid bay]

which is like

the mechanic dosnt actually change

[sudden flame]

well arena gets smaller so last ones are harder to do

[maiden pasture]

i have decided the same for spirits on nexus king

people just suck

[pallid bay]

this is where ava wants to kill the boss?

[maiden pasture]

idk when that is, i assume thats on the 2nd devour cast?

[pallid bay]

nope its after the gravity that comes after

[maiden pasture]

ig the idea isnt the boss has to be dead by then, but more the boss should be low enough that if most of the raid dies the boss can still die

[pallid bay]

actually its the rings that comes after the gravity thats after 2nd devour

[maiden pasture]

but this is just a theory / hope. nothing based on numbers right now

[pallid bay]

i'd be impressed if any guild skips the second gravity i think

[maiden pasture]

will be interesting to see what they nerf except for just numbers checks

[pallid bay]

actually our boss is like 10% 2nd gravity

[maiden pasture]

i wonder if they will find a way to remove the need for double warlock

[pallid bay]

maybe you find that damage next week already

[royal zenith]

the 3% kinda does a fuckton

[maiden pasture]

3% is week after tho aint it

[royal zenith]

is it? thought it's next reset

[maiden pasture]

its every 3 weeks i think not every 2 like last time

[ionic surge]

Why is my man Deux not orange name

What have they done to my boy

[delicate perch]

he tried purple

[ionic surge]

I remember that actually

[maiden pasture]

deux and oi white names, the world is healing

[royal zenith]

I feel more comfortable this way

[delicate perch]

still have arctic with a colour name though

wars not over

[pallid bay]

public logging andy

not a great look

[maiden pasture]

what the helly

[vital hound]

joever

[royal zenith]

[pallid bay]

i pugged 3 bosses

[ionic surge]

Look at my logs

[maiden pasture]

my alt has better logs than my main cause of boosts

[ionic surge]

I dare you

[maiden pasture]

boost instead

surely twosune and threesune are primed for 5 boss boosts

[royal zenith]

Logging on soulbinder though

fuckkkkkkkkk

that

[maiden pasture]

real

[pallid bay]

i have like 10M and spent 1.5 or something this tier

[maiden pasture]

when is it gone from allstars

[maiden pasture]

buy some funny rings then u need more

[pallid bay]

tier is over..

time to wowa my public logs

can they fix the game..

[maiden pasture]

i dont get it

[pallid bay]

[pallid bay]

cant queue spender after nochannel macro

[maiden pasture]

o

yeah i just dont have that macro

i stare at channel bar instead

[vital hound]

lol

based

[pallid bay]

[royal zenith]

a cancelled stasurge cast

what

[pallid bay]

its out of eclipse

[royal zenith]

oh

[maiden pasture]

what is lil gup doing

[royal zenith]

vibing

[maiden pasture]

[pallid bay]

he was not locked in

[maiden pasture]

forever stained on your public page....

[pallid bay]

joined the pug discord and someone instantly ripped Erika on soundboard

[eternal lily]

trees are 10 secs and CA 12 sek, how its possible that the trees here for 4 sec for 2nd CA press

[maiden pasture]

discord for first 3

[royal zenith]

what's an Erika..

[pallid bay]

🇩🇪

[pallid bay]

yeah idk i wanted to vibe with the boys

[slim elk]

🇩🇪

[sleek pendant]

Is the balance buff big? It looks like buff for raid only tbh

[maiden pasture]

its a nice buff, it doesnt fix the issues with the spec but makes it better ofc

[royal zenith]

cause it's intended as being one for raid

it's fine in M+

[sleek pendant]

Okay

[sudden pawn]

Ya

[royal zenith]

you also gain 2% in a M+ setting

[vital hound]

share thoughts

also share salad log

[royal zenith]

froyo probably private logger..

[sudden pawn]

Pretty cancer and my guild privates prog

[royal zenith]

has too many hidden tech....

[vital hound]

🫘

[eternal lily]

we press CA 2nd Time before our first cds end?

[maiden pasture]

check pins for new opener

[dire osprey]

real

[eternal lily]

The general change is when you have 2 charges of CA you do Treants -> CA -> Surge till empty -> Convoke -> CA which results in a shorter CD window.

Ok so i press 2nd CA right after convoke, before the first CA ends

[fossil hemlock]

Yes, you cut it short

[inland sleet]

Do we still have to refresh solarfire before the 2nd CA with this new opener ?

[maiden pasture]

of course

[scenic mist]

Solarfire

Blud is stuck in WoD

[carmine vigil]

hello fantastic boomkin buff! do you think now i will stop getting bullied for playing moonkin ? and maybe woman will respond to my messages

[jaunty blaze]

No

[maiden pasture]

What is woman

[scenic mist]

Bullied by bosses
Bullied by mates
This is the path we chose

[scenic mist]

He misspelled human ig

[compact rose]

bro is playing 1000000 chars and talking about woman

[shadow kiln]

Boomkin have sweet spot on the bench !

[harsh herald]

We give the sickest dap ups though

We're the glue guy

[elder remnant]

so guys

when do i press killing spree

[sinful surge]

right after convoke

[shadow kiln]

U can /abandon right avec convoke

[maiden pasture]

OUT

[elder remnant]

[maiden pasture]

[elder remnant]

so do i press convoke before or after CA

[maiden pasture]

this is low tier ragebait

[elder remnant]

and yet

you're enraged all the same

[maiden pasture]

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-crucible-thundercrash-shaxx-gif-23687771

[maiden pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-dog-i-beg-to-sniffer-gif-16273387856961137008

[sudden flame]

question isn't when its why

[elder remnant]

how

[sudden flame]

who

[ionic surge]

Where 💅🏻

[elder remnant]

who da fuk is this guy

[ionic surge]

Dont bro

[full tundra]

who who

https://tenor.com/view/hi-there-hi-whats-up-head-roll-lets-dance-gif-9981027698215433652

[devout hazel]

so, after convoke we're insta re popping CA to force our dryad buff then using our next 2 surges to buff the next set of surges?

[royal zenith]

🤯

Not really

the 2nd set of buffed starsurges will end when your 2nd ca ends

regardless

unless you mean working towards the cap in 2nd set

[devout hazel]

using the 1st set to workon the 2nd cap

[royal zenith]

not sure if that's the reasoning behind the sequence

pretty sure it's just more damage in treant window

which can help with cap obv, but depends on how fast you can reach cap

but gamz and/or Oi can tell you more about that

it's also the reason why you still delay treants for the 1CA/convoke set

[lofty depot]

It's not, u pretty much always hit the cap

The cap even if u had full int from ritual forge and maybe even like ebon might, is still like only 60mil

[devout hazel]

do any of yall have a log on hand of someone doing the opener properly so i can just lookat the cast sequence

[scenic mist]

2nd CA when voke ends

[royal zenith]

it's very straight forward

if not easier

[scenic mist]

it's a s2 log cause the opener is back to s2 standards until the end of convoke

[lofty depot]

This is from my Araz last week

[inner plover]

Can anyone explain what changed? 😄 im just bit confused on double CA. (yes i read Compendium and yes a read pin.) Until now i did on opener : Wrath > Wrath > Starfire > Moonfire > Sunfire > CA > 2x SS > Treants > Convoke > SS > Wrath > CA > SS > SS > SS

[lofty depot]

The treant goes before the ca

And then the 2nd CA goes after convoke

Look at the picture

[inner plover]

Did not we lose like 4s of CA this way ?

just trying to understand reason behind it

[lofty depot]

Doesn't matter

4s casting wrath

My easiest explanation/how I figure it is higher int on my trinket which means a ~5k ish difference on the decay. So little higher cap, higher int on the buffed surges, and higher iny on the 2nd set of buffed surges aswell

[fathom nebula]

Was double on use trinket experimented with?

[lofty depot]

No

[inner plover]

Thx for explanation 🙂 I will try it oout later. Its gonna fuck my brain tbh 😄 My muscle memory worked hard on changing from Treants > CA into CA > Treants 😄 now i have to adapt even more fml 😄

[lofty depot]

Well u see CA surge surge treants at 2m

And any time u only have 1 ca

[devout hazel]

are you putting forge before CA in your macro? or does that even matter

[inner plover]

I know but tell it to my brain esp. on progress now (4th boss), when you getting into 2 convoke at 3,5 min mark

[lofty depot]

It doesn't, but sequencing in macro always funny to me when people do that

[lofty depot]

I naked CA at 320

So yea remembering I have to press a different button than normal was fun

[fossil hemlock]

Was planning on copying that. So you just send a naked CA, build up the surges and then send single CA with trees and convoke as if it was a 2min set into the damage amp?

[inner plover]

Like you are better gamer then me obviously, im on duty of every typhoon knock, vortex, soak. So much running around for me 😄 Im getting used to that fight we are leaving P2 now on progress. I struggle damage here so much.

[lofty depot]

I completely trolled this week and was dotting a bunch

But starfalling and possibly surging a collector

[inner plover]

We basicly just Wrath into Sfall that fight if there is any ADD. Do you starfall even if there is only BOSS and big Add?

[lofty depot]

Again u reach cap so easily it's stupid

[fossil hemlock]

But the idea is to hold the 2 empowered surges for the CA->trees->surge surge->convoke on damage amp right? How I reach the damage cap isn't important

[lofty depot]

It's not every push back but I have like 4

Or 3

[lofty depot]

Yea, then I surge if I have trees out

Some weird idk prioing just to get more boss dam

Think I'm gonna go back to Starfall, to see if we can get a longer 2nd intermission

Cuz our last 2nd amp was 5 seconds

[inner plover]

I was searching thru logs and noone is entering Lunar that fight. But im around 4-4,5m DPS going into intermission and i feels its so low even with all those duties

[lofty depot]

Need to kill someone I think

[fossil hemlock]

Just skip 2nd intermission entirely, surely that's better for dps parsing

[lofty depot]

Yea sit in solar

Sunfire the adds, and hit boss

U don't do add damage

[obsidian jetty]

we did that strat this week, did not feel good

[lofty depot]

Well the idea is to get 4 buffed surges into the amp

[obsidian jetty]

last phase ends up lasting longer and you're just running for your life

[lofty depot]

Skipping a 100% amp, surely better for my parse. Yeaaasa doubt it

[obsidian jetty]

the annoying part is CDs get fucked

[inner plover]

how can you skip 2nd phase ?

[obsidian jetty]

boss phases at 15%

[lofty depot]

Do more boss dam

[royal zenith]

think people are a bit too worried about cap

of the dryads

blizzard confusing us with this tierset...

smh...

[leaden birch]

why can't all boss fights be 30s long

then we'd be top ST

[severe hollow]

Classic anniversary is still there

[leaden birch]

[craggy sonnet]

Btw, this is also better than the old opener fwiw

[lofty depot]

Ye they assume the cap is hard to get to

[royal zenith]

yeah I was doing this ever since I cba

[fossil hemlock]

What is the cap again? 15x spellpower?

[royal zenith]

the wrath surg wrath wrath whatever was annoying as hell

[lofty depot]

And not that convoke just gets u there and then the 2 buffed surges are massive

It's 10x int

[royal zenith]

and on specifically araz it was just super tight for the dmg amp window

if you did the 'original' or old way

[lofty depot]

So idk I'm 714, around 123k int. So 1.23 mil cap. Add Araz u can call 153k int... That's 50mil cap instead of 40

Which is just nothing when u can Crit 1 surge for 40mil

[pallid bay]

bro is critting 40M without dryads favor

[lofty depot]

Who is bro, need to find him

[royal zenith]

it's me, I'm him

can't wait for the buffs guys woo

[lofty depot]

5% lock in

[royal zenith]

at least we'll compete with feral now

not forced to scratch

[young horizon]

heyy

[lofty depot]

Adept be competing on dimmy

[young horizon]

very stupid question i alrdy know the answer too but in incarn i press starfire

yeah

:DDDDDD

Dont laugh

[lofty depot]

Depends on hero talents and target count

[young horizon]

Ec hero talents

[scenic mist]

[lofty depot]

Starfire yes

[young horizon]

yeah i need to stop

[lofty depot]

Read lunar calling

[young horizon]

casting

fucking

wrath

[craggy sonnet]

I actually did sim that for some Iteration of the old opener and it wasn't a gain to delay trinkets. Probably because it wasn't better to buff the stuff outside of trees and it's less avg boat as well.

[young horizon]

i forget to not cast it

[royal zenith]

?

[young horizon]

any1 know why dont we run astronomical impact?

[fossil hemlock]

For EC? A large portion of your damage isn't astral

[young horizon]

cause starfire isnt astral 😄

[fossil hemlock]

It's a flex talent I believe so you can grab it if you want

[young horizon]

but starfall is big dam dont u think

wont it be ur top dam now

[fossil hemlock]

No I don't think, it'll be a bit closer on reset because of tuning but I still don't think it'll beat starfire

[young horizon]

that they nerfed the tier set

ah ok

[lofty depot]

Uh, large majority of "why don't we talent x in EC" is cuz u don't have the points and 1 talent is a little better than the other

[young horizon]

well that wont be the case next xpac

were getting 3 more point

s

[lofty depot]

Clueless

[young horizon]

WOOOOOHO

[fossil hemlock]

[young horizon]

WHAt

:_:

[lofty depot]

Those 4 points go into apex talents

[fossil hemlock]

They already said they want tuning to be so you WANT to put those points into the apex talents

[young horizon]

noooo

omg

[fossil hemlock]

Why are you whining? You don't even know what the apex talent is yet

[young horizon]

apex ascendance

[lofty depot]

Smh, didn't listen

[fossil hemlock]

It could be something good, it could be something bad

[young horizon]

@fossil hemlock HUH IM NOT WHINING

[royal zenith]

you should listen to the monthly moonkin podcast @young horizon

[young horizon]

it sounds epic so itl prob be op

[royal zenith]

you would know that our talent points offer a measily 1% damage increase at best...

[jaunty blaze]

Surely op

[royal zenith]

and mostly sub 1%'ers...

[young horizon]

oh no

they should buff us more

im enjoying boomie

[lofty depot]

There's like 7 above 7%

[young horizon]

and its gonna be my scapegoat

if they nerf ele

[jaunty blaze]

No amount of buffs saves this spec

[lofty depot]

Most are very not poggers

[royal zenith]

let me guess, it's all the base spells that you had in SL

[young horizon]

when will we knoow what the apex talents are

im dying

i wanna know

[royal zenith]

tomorrow

[lofty depot]

Uhhhh, whirling I think is higher

[royal zenith]

(nobody knows)

[young horizon]

ur joking?

...

[royal zenith]

I am yes

[fossil hemlock]

No no, tomorrow

Trust in Deux

[young horizon]

;-;

[fossil hemlock]

He wouldn't lie

[jaunty blaze]

Tomorrow for sure

[royal zenith]

there's not been invites to Alpha even

[young horizon]

frick u

im pretty sure

they sent me

an email

to apply for alpha

[lofty depot]

Orbital in SL?

[royal zenith]

well yeah apply

[lofty depot]

That node is like 10/9

[lucid olive]

That is a little skewed probably by the talent page that was used to run the value sim

[royal zenith]

but getting access I'm talking about

[lucid olive]

But yeah whirling is good value

[young horizon]

hopefully in the next month

[fossil hemlock]

The guess is that expansion launch is around feb-march sort of time frame, so alpha should definitely start soonish. I imagine after 10.2.5 goes live

[lofty depot]

First point starlord is big, 2nd point not, but need 2nd point for rattle

And 1.7% still beats a lot of talents kek

Let alone the 3% that it is or something

Need to look again

3.4 kek

[royal zenith]

I think it' fairly easy to spot the good talents

it's the ones that give you a cooldown or ability

[lofty depot]

Wild mushroom would like a word

[royal zenith]

any proc/change to a cd or ability is very much w.e.

what's the % on mushrooms in AOE

value that is

[round field]

impossible to calculate due to waning twilight increasing its value

[royal zenith]

not wrong, but also has initial hit

[jaunty blaze]

The damage by itself is pretty low tho

[lofty depot]

Sunseeker on w.e. it is 5t-7t is 4.6

[fossil hemlock]

Damage + dot + asp (if only starfall did damage)

[lofty depot]

Wild mushroom is like 0.2

This is the old sheet

And isn't updated

Or if u just mean the damage in a key

It's probably like 6%-8% or some shit

[royal zenith]

no I meant specifically value

but I guess WT is also part of that

probably also the reason why it's made weak af

[leaden birch]

y'all got any recommendations for any good unitframes addons? I'm considering getting away from elv

[royal zenith]

imagine if shrooms didn't have a delay and dot, and would just do damage

life would be so much simpler

(read this blizzard)

[pallid bay]

unhalted or suf prob

[royal zenith]

am using cell unit frames, it's alright

[leaden birch]

sweet, I'll check out unhalted

[royal zenith]

Oi's suggestions are prob easier on your pc

[leaden birch]

tried suf back in the day and I thought it looked weird

yeah my pc is dog shit so

and mfo is even worse on my fps than previous raids

[craggy sonnet]

i have never heard of unhalted

is this the secret sauce?

[jaunty blaze]

Its decent

But i wouldn't say it is too different from suf

[lofty depot]

iirc gamz uses unhalted when he did his custom shit

I used suf until I upgraded my computer

[leaden birch]

what do you use now? elv?

[lofty depot]

Atrocityui which is elv ye

[lucid olive]

Unhalted doesn't have raid or party frames so you'd have to use an alternative

[lucid olive]

I swapped back to elvui

Yoinked LuckyOne's profile and did some changes to it

[pallid bay]

right

[lofty depot]

ah, yea

[pallid bay]

soon to come surely

[royal zenith]

always advertising for LuckyOne's

smh

[lucid olive]

Think he said he's not planning on adding it because it's very hard to make good raid frames that are good for performance

[lucid olive]

Better than advertising for a paid one or

[royal zenith]

that is true

but still Elvui

[lucid olive]

Yeah unfortunate

[royal zenith]

maybe they will make a grand optimization in Midnight

and the game will run smooth as butter

[lucid olive]

Bought a 9950x3d and went back to elvui

[leaden birch]

where can I try this UI you yoinked

I do enjoy elv tho ngl

[lucid olive]

Can download the wago app and go to the UI pack tab on it and get LuckyOne UI from there

Or you can use WoWup or something and get Elvui and LuckyOneUI plugin

[celest rampart]

are ya'll moonfiring all the mobs on gambit first pull?

keep getting aggro from tanks

[lucid olive]

Not the shorerunners

[celest rampart]

ok ty

[lucid olive]

If you get aggro then kite the mobs thru the tank and don't panic

Shadowmeld is good too

[craggy sonnet]

tanks are still donkeys there, they legit just body pulling

[celest rampart]

yep

[dusky obsidian]

vdh still getting fake aggro with some spells?

[celest rampart]

cheers

[craggy sonnet]

that was fixed afaik

[dusky obsidian]

usually the only tank i have issues with pulling threat from

[lucid olive]

Aldrachi vdh can have hard time keeping aggro on larger packs since their main aoe spender is Soul Cleave and that spell is target capped

But they're a lot tankier than the other hero tree afaik so it's a give and take

[inner plover]

Question, do you hold Trees for new BoaT out of CDs or just press it on CD not matter if you have full AP or you are in fresh eclipse?

[lofty depot]

Generally wait for new eclipse because thats when ur also dumping asp

[inner plover]

Im always scared to desync my cds and miss windows 😄

[lofty depot]

U have some leeway cuz of control

15s to press without losing value

[dry heron]

Is the compendium accurate? I just read the pin for the opener change, but I don't see anything changed on the webpage

[craggy sonnet]

usually .. if trees come up in the first 2-3 seconds of a new eclipse, press it. if not, then wait for the start of the next one

[lofty depot]

The explanation and prio list changed

The opener tab hasnt (it will change)

[dry heron]

ok, the opener tab is what I was looking at

that's fine if they havn't gotten around to it yet, i just wanted to make sure that I wasn't misunderstanding something