i dunno if archon is a good source tho
#balance
pliant echo
lofty depot
so what
its not
but lets give u some grace cuz ur a frog
u asked what spec to use
then said we got buffed by 5%
which tbf, keeper got buffed 5%, ec got buffed less
jaunty blaze
4.7% ackchually 🤓
lofty depot
yea didnt ask
scenic mist
pearl linden
If you're not going to do mythic frac for a little while it's probs just worth to send a dagger craft right
Only reason it's BIS is cus +3 ilvl since we don't use set?
scenic mist
Only reason it's BIS is cus +3 ilvl since we don't use set?
raid weapons are very very overpowered
lofty depot
dont know why we crafted off hand without a mh
pearl linden
Ye err
lofty depot
seems like a choice
scenic mist
bis is kriss cause you can have ascendance on oh
pearl linden
I mean
scenic mist
but staff would be bis contender
pearl linden
It give flexability compared to staff
lofty depot
u dont need flexability
u need stats
and 694 aint that
u also use more gilded
staff is crest efficient
pearl linden
Ye fair
lofty depot
what ur gonna end up trying to do
its very not
think its time to get rid of embells and crafting items
@blizzardcs @warcraftdevs
lofty depot
the embell isnt the problem
ur missing 26 levels of stats cuz u made a funny decision
thinking it gave u flexability
pearl linden
yeye fair
bronze tartan
how do I play soulbinder? I mean it's easy boss sure, but I saw that lots of people use M+ spec for it, should I hold CDs for certain things?
lofty depot
how do I play soulbinder? I mean it's easy boss sure, but I saw that lots of peo...
the big intermission w.e. shit, is at like 215
so u hold a set of cds til then
but the fight is piss easy
u can do w.e.
dry compass
I played pure single target and starfalled instead of surged during the big add set
bronze tartan
I played pure single target and starfalled instead of surged during the big add ...
but in M+ elune spec right
lofty depot
i care very little what archon says
bronze tartan
right, cos it's cringe I guess
verbal osprey
Hey , can u see my soulbinder mythic kill and roast me , i feel the depresion closing on me https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CKnWc8bk4gQftJzN?fight=33&type=damage-done @lofty depot
lofty depot
u can play st and get similar results
worldly urchin
hello guys, any idea how to sim balance for m+ ? it seems dungeon slice dosent work.
lofty depot
Hey , can u see my soulbinder mythic kill and roast me , i feel the depresion cl...
i mean ur doing the old rotation
so that might do it
read the guide
lofty depot
hello guys, any idea how to sim balance for m+ ? it seems dungeon slice dosent w...
read the faq in compendium
dslice has never been supported
worldly urchin
tyvm ❤️
scenic mist
dslice has never been supported
deactivating ds alltogether was a brilliant move to smoke out all ds users
verbal osprey
read the faq in compendium
here on discord is the guide ?
lofty depot
here on discord is the guide ?
yes
u seem to be having to move a lot
take vigil off ur bar
bronze tartan
correct
anyway, I died midway from whatever shit so my talent build doens't matter lmao
lofty depot
anyway, I died midway from whatever shit so my talent build doens't matter lmao
i mena its fine, just using archon to decide talents when u can use brain
look thru logs and make decisions
bronze tartan
I mean I am using wowhead and dreamgrove mainly, but then I see that apparently elune's chosen is popular and I come here to ask what's up
is that bad? to ask?
lofty depot
did i say it was bad to ask
i said one of the resources u were using is bad
vastly different
@verbal osprey do u not have a weakaura set for the tierset
u didnt use the dryad favor
meaning u either dont know about it or dont track it
i guess u could not know about it and not track it
but shrug
bronze tartan
did i say it was bad to ask
oh sorry I might've misinterpreted the undertext, sorry.
verbal osprey
I dont , learned now
bronze tartan
we're basically wiping at adds phase anyway (yeah fight is piss easy but we're not echo or liquid)
bronze tartan
yeah
lofty depot
fuggn how
bronze tartan
idk lack of healing
verbal osprey
Got this wa for it , when i see that i cast ca or force of nature?
bronze tartan
nah 14% wipe 🥲
lofty depot
My point of playing keeper is just cuz the adds will die from all the cleave everyone does that's better than us while doing st
bronze tartan
we did kill it already last week
lofty depot
We have to pick either pad or st
red mantle
hi, should I be starfall cleaving all the collectors in M araz intermission or just turbo blast my assigned collector?
bronze tartan
yeah I'm mostly ignoring the adds except in that phase because they die too fast otherwise
lofty depot
U can play st and get some funny ethical padding tho
Surging into boss with dryads favor cleaving the intermission adds
bronze tartan
yeah im doing that
like CA during intermission, send evoke etc, a starfall but enough AP for two surges into boss
lofty depot
yeah I'm mostly ignoring the adds except in that phase because they die too fast...
Dot everything, CA Starfall starfall trees voke Starfall, spam wrath surge surge
Might do some funny tech next week
See if it's better
But yea idk, if u have trouble with adds u could play it. We'd have to sit like all our good AOE for me to want to play ec
red mantle
hi, should I be starfall cleaving all the collectors in M araz intermission or j...
anyone please? I could just ask RL but they'd probably tell me to ask in here
top logs are gonna be starfalling obviously, but for prog
lofty depot
Some top logs aren't starfall
But yea I spam wraths into my correct one and Starfall everything
red mantle
cool
lofty depot
Can do some cool CA tech at the end of them so u kill urs faster. Generally urs is behind
red mantle
the top logs i looked at were giga holding all CAs other than opener and 2nd convoke until 3min30 and only treesing in between
bronze tartan
Dot everything, CA Starfall starfall trees voke Starfall, spam wrath surge surge
or in our case, CA sf sf trees voke sf surge surge wipe wipe wipe
lofty depot
Sure sure
bronze tartan
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gXma4VMNZHjxBPT1 I'm Rivelda there, probably also make plenty of mistakes but im trying
been playing balance since 20 years but each year im worse lmao
lofty depot
I'll look in a sec I'm making food
bronze tartan
yeah no rush we'll be at this for another hour lmao
bronze tartan
yeah my first few pulls were elune, switched back to kotg after
and not every burst i do is perfect cos sometimes i press trees too early or too late
red mantle
1 heal or
lofty depot
yeah my first few pulls were elune, switched back to kotg after
u should teach ur other druid how to do the rotation
hexed valley
Do you guys Focus adds with surges at naazindhri, the 2 pod ones, or just use starfire to Cleave when you play elune?
Couldnt Test it yet but im curious how you handle it, I cleaved on my First myth kill
vital shard
I will play next time kotg there and go full ST.
jaunty blaze
you can ignore the 2 add spawns
vital shard
These damn adds die within seconds coz our rets got for it 😄
jaunty blaze
they die to fast anyway
vital shard
they don't die
they were deleted nearly instantly
😄
it seem that these adds are afraid of divine storm
lofty depot
Do you guys Focus adds with surges at naazindhri, the 2 pod ones, or just use st...
i am not and will not be focusing adds
vital shard
than they delete themselves 😄
hexed valley
I know but im curious if you get a decent surge crit you could boost dps by a bit, but thats just a thought
lofty depot
well u dont dot them
jaunty blaze
what does your surge crit on the adds change
lofty depot
so idk why were surging thme
jaunty blaze
you cant even dot them in time
hexed valley
Did a 9mil crit without dots thats why i asked
Its Not shabby
But I guess Not worth
jaunty blaze
sounds like wasted dryads favor buff on undotted spawn
hexed valley
Without favor
jaunty blaze
idk if you prefer sending surges without dots compared to boss that is dotted you do you
but i wouldnt expect that to boost your numbers
ngl
hexed valley
Yeah but
If I surge the Boss, it obv Deals less in that Window when the adds spawn
Its just a tiny thought of me idk 🤣
hexed valley
Yeah
lofty depot
ok so how is it less
hexed valley
Maybe I just had no crits
On Boss
Idk I Need to Full Send ST next time and see again
lofty depot
i think u should cook less
hasty karma
@lofty depot on naaz double ca comes off cd around 3m a little bit before the larger add wave - do you send the double ca on boss only and not worry about sitting on it for 10-15 seconds to align it with the pile of adds?
hexed valley
Tru
craggy sonnet
and what would you need to believe its actually better?
delicate perch
1 minute and 1 second sim
hasty karma
lol sorry
jaunty blaze
but double ca doesnt come up at 3m
lofty depot
but yea if u play potent
jaunty blaze
unless you only single ca on pull?
hasty karma
"around 3m" - whenever it is, it is like 15 seconds before the pile of adds and idk if sitting on it is better or sending it is better
maiden pasture
and what would you need to believe its actually better?
more than one screenshot, seeing the diff it makes overall in a 5min sim, the actual sim and not just a screenshot
jaunty blaze
but it doesnt
lofty depot
nah that set is 430
delicate perch
Just kill the boss or
lofty depot
but yea u have double there
crimson pagoda
When u press your second CA at opener, does it atomaticly go to dryads buff?
lofty depot
yes
crimson pagoda
or pure time based
aha
so with lust u can basicly pump a few extra dmg in the window?
reffering to the opener on wowhead
craggy sonnet
more than one screenshot, seeing the diff it makes overall in a 5min sim, the ac...
have fun with the apl (its an overblown piece of shit but gotta thank the spec design and my autism for that)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8jtAD9dnosUsmVstx6D6W1
lofty depot
uhoh
jaunty blaze
thats with the shorter cd sequence?
maiden pasture
so you're saying if i luck out i should just use the normal 
lofty depot
we dont do damage to adds
drifting nova
well I know that
but like
my dam is balls
fuck this boss
gimme soulbinder again
pallid bay
have fun with the apl (its an overblown piece of shit but gotta thank the spec d...
objectively a better rotation
craggy sonnet
so you're saying if i luck out i should just use the normal <a:mhm:1262397258733...
holy .. that iteration must have slapped haarrrd
maiden pasture
100% crit iteration
lofty depot
new iteration gains like 10% damage on the double ca dryads favor cuz of funny trinket :/
hasty karma
have fun with the apl (its an overblown piece of shit but gotta thank the spec d...
what rotation are you testing here?
lofty depot
what rotation are you testing here?
u can look at it if u click the html
hasty karma
i don't know how to see the rotation on this page, just a comparison
i am not wise in the advanced ways of raidbots
pallid bay
trees CA dump AP convoke CA
lofty depot
i am not wise in the advanced ways of raidbots
i teach u
hasty karma
am i an idiot? (yes) i don't see any way to click on new+
craggy sonnet
html report right side
craggy sonnet
below sim settings
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
objectively a better rotation
i think so! can you make the apl look more pretty tho?
pallid bay
i will not be touching anything until midnight i think
craggy sonnet
damn .. thats the smart move to make
pallid bay
yeah idk i'd rather play fearl than current boomkin
lofty depot
see u in t-minus 2 hours
hasty karma
do sunfires and moonfires applied during eclipse do more damage than those applied outside of eclipse?
hasty karma
that's what i thought but i had a moment of doubt, thank you
maiden pasture
both druid dps specs suck
pallid bay
FEARL PUMPS
rare shoal
yeah idk i'd rather play fearl than current boomkin
Whats wrong with current boomie
pallid bay
it just sucks
the rotation is
unintuitive and garbage
the damage is shit
you cant hit any add if your life depended on it
starfall does no damage
hasty karma
sorry again if this is a dumb question - i was under the impression that i want to refresh dots between eclipses rather than during. and that the first three things we want to send in an eclipse are ideally spenders, but in that sim clankz posted i can see a time when sunfire was not refreshed until the first cast in an eclipse, and additionally wraths were sent rather than surges.
this was the eclipse right after the 2m ca/trees/convoke/dryad combo so i can understand not having enough ap to rip 3 ss, but would you not want to send as many as you can? it looks like at least one ss could have been sent
pallid bay
like the tierset is completely backwards for how much damage it does
rare shoal
For which hero talent
pallid bay
doing damage for the pool should be the skill expression
rare shoal
Or just in general
lofty depot
sorry again if this is a dumb question - i was under the impression that i want ...
there its likely waiting for starlord
hasty karma
there its likely waiting for starlord
ok that makes sense for the surges
pallid bay
doing damage for the pool should be the skill expression
the skill expression should not be to afk to fit 2 surges with as many modifiers as possible
hasty karma
is this a cancel starlord angle or is that meme shit
rare shoal
I like EC cuz of lasers but the ST in M+ makes me soul rot a lil
pallid bay
that should be the reward for playing well during the pool part
getting terminal cancer from this whole spec
loud kettle
kotg tier should probably have been normalized crit too I think?
lofty depot
is this a cancel starlord angle or is that meme shit
could be
pallid bay
delete it already
loud kettle
such a massive swing between 2 noncrit and 2 crit
lofty depot
kotg tier should probably have been normalized crit too I think?
could be a node
severe hollow
such a massive swing between 2 noncrit and 2 crit
just crit
pallid bay
kotg tier should probably have been normalized crit too I think?
no it should be as terrible as possible
lofty depot
when they add it to the hero tree
pallid bay
so people realise this spec
exotic perch
its a 50/50 chance guys
pallid bay
is not worth spending time on
exotic perch
you either crit or you dont
craggy sonnet
kotg tier should probably have been normalized crit too I think?
yea, it should have always crit and scale with crit as %mod
exotic perch
no kekkers you have it wrong
drifting nova
dont put them together
severe hollow
its a 50/50 chance guys
exactly and its 2 casts, so you are guaranteed to crit
exotic perch
balance bad, druid also bad
loud kettle
Cap is such a meme
craggy sonnet
everything about this is a meme
lofty depot
yea, it should have always crit and scale with crit as %mod
would be nice to have the crit mod or crit damage applied to extra crit
otherwise u likely start losing value in boat?
craggy sonnet
started out so interesting
exotic perch
the tierset is quite dogshit tho
craggy sonnet
and then they just made it shit
exotic perch
im surprised this was the idea they figured out
pallid bay
its actually insane
lofty depot
cap made to prevent rextroys, reach cap anyway thru normal gameplay
should lower it to 2% damage done
pallid bay
you just reach cap by pressing convoke
lofty depot
make it harder
pallid bay
tierset could just have been your convoke does 80M more damage
severe hollow
Cap is such a meme
pallid bay
tierset could just have been your convoke does 80M more damage
think i'd be more excited about this honestly
hasty karma
here is another instance where dots are reapplied as the first casts in an eclipse - is this legit? is that what we are doing now rather than prioritizing them between the two starfires?
lofty depot
again starlord
rare shoal
Cap is such a meme
I always forget its capped 
drifting nova
https://tenor.com/view/bifrost-bifrost-wallet-bifrost-meme-crypto-meme-crypto-gi...
that the og duckface?
severe hollow
that the og duckface?
good question
lofty depot
and also, just so were clear the sample sequencing isnt ur 100% u do this type shit
drifting nova
only important questions here
hasty karma
but if it's a starlord angle then wouldn't it not matter if those 2 gcd were between the starfires or after?
drifting nova
in chicken county
craggy sonnet
sorry again if this is a dumb question - i was under the impression that i want ...
so actually, you want to be outside of eclipse as little as possible .. thats why its not refreshing dots outside of eclipse.
and for the surges, yes, as you can see it drops starlord after that 2nd wrath .. the W surges are to stack starlord
hasty karma
ok so i have old strats ok thank you
hasty karma
i feel like in the past what i read was that you never wanted to cast dots within the eclipse when you could be casting builders/spenders
hasty karma
because i want to improve
upbeat flume
for soul hunters do we starfire or wrath?
severe hollow
because i want to improve
why arent you checking guides for that?
hasty karma
the same reason i don't trust guides to tell me which gems to use
severe hollow
there should be VERY different reasons to that
lofty depot
for soul hunters do we starfire or wrath?
u play EC, so u starfire like m+
upbeat flume
oh we do, reccomended build for that fight was Kotg last I looked
lofty depot
the same reason i don't trust guides to tell me which gems to use
its fine, im generally not sunfiring first global
in practice is different than sim
severe hollow
the reason you dont trust guides for stat prio/gem prio is that those change, depending on your gear
your rotation does not
lofty depot
oh we do, reccomended build for that fight was Kotg last I looked
where
craggy sonnet
sim does it sometimes
sim only does it if the dots are like sub 3 seconds or something
but yea .. it doesnt matter either way
you just refresh within pandemic
craggy sonnet
or prior to your CA window if you had to refresh inside your tree window otherwise
lofty depot
2 things,
- if ur gonna use trees like this do it before ca not first global in. Pressing ca on the sunfire global is not poggers
- you need to press that 2nd CA before trees runs out not after
upbeat flume
wowhead raid guide, I'll double check
just double checked, It's been updated to EC, swear I looked earlier this week and it still said KotG
jaunty blaze
pretty sure noone ever recommended keeper for soulhunters
severe hollow
the same reason i don't trust guides to tell me which gems to use
also there is this huge disclaimer up top
lofty depot
makes sense kinda
severe hollow
raidbots does tell you that you should not use this as a guide/learn how to play
lofty depot
u shuoldnt press ur ca at 145.... 1 cuz u get convoke like this
2. ur trinket is 20 seconds away
hasty karma
also there is this huge disclaimer up top
daddy chill. let me ask questions. part of analyzing with care is asking the smart people here, which is what i am doing
lofty depot
need u to understand that sending all ur asp at once unless u need to gain starlord stacks or move is generally bad
quiet drift
is not worth spending time on
Amen
lofty depot
those spamming moonfires is because of that
quiet drift
TC just needs to abandon Balance fullyh
Blizzard can see how fucking esoteric it is
trying to do damage on this class
maiden pasture
delete it already
full reroll inc?
sudden pawn
i dont think blizzard would care if tc went away for balance druid
if the spec can do world quests and delves easily enough
thats a huge win in their books
although delves are pretty hard...
severe hollow
i dont think blizzard would care if tc went away for balance druid
the way to fix moonkin is to remove glyph of stars
absolute crime
pseudo merlin
Delving has been Blizzards spec fantasy for moonkin ever since they had us delve into kz crypts for the scythe of elune
exotic perch
for once i want a content creator to ask the devs during one of those interview why they have consistently disregarded resources for class development
severe hollow
as long as you are a fat chicken
pseudo merlin
the way to fix moonkin is to remove glyph of stars
this
drifting nova
for once i want a content creator to ask the devs during one of those interview ...
hahahahaha
sudden pawn
fat chicken irl and in game
exotic perch
like its so blatantly obvious they dont have the people to make classes all good
sudden pawn
they dont have to make classes good
they just need to be passable to ship out the next patch of slop
lofty depot
currently the iteration is to ca surge surge trees
sudden pawn
ever since the accelerated patches
crimson pagoda
They can easily make it good. Buff starsurge and nerf it for pvp for like 50% gg
sudden pawn
unless ur a mage or warlock or evoker, then some time is taken
pallid bay
full reroll inc?
no ill just complain i think
sudden pawn
drifting nova
interviews only get done if they sign a blood writ as is
exotic perch
its like kinda insane that a game of this size has a dev team of like 10 or less people on classes lol
drifting nova
sudden pawn
ya but ur answer is like "dont play the game" ok if 10k balance druids just up and quit thats like pocket change
lofty depot
ill like stop telling people to do it and when u have double ca, u use Trees ca surge surge convoke ca. But you are using trees and not getting the 2nd ca into the tree window.
sudden pawn
probably would like it more if that happened anyway
1 less spec to work on
however if 10k mages up and quit
then theyre in panic mode
normal pilot
idk, the problem stems from thinking you need to fix blizzard or any company
sudden pawn
think of the race to world first if mage was bad
lofty depot
if u have asp u can move for mechanics and use damaging spells. If you dont have asp ur spamming moonfires. U can use ur asp at any point in time right u dont want to over cap. but using it while not "needing" to use it will cause problems
normal pilot
all you can do is just not spend $$ on shit you don't like
lofty depot
idk, the problem stems from thinking you need to fix blizzard or any company
wow players "i can fix her"
pseudo merlin
Blizzard balances around people like @drifting nova getting AOTC done in 4 months of prog
normal pilot
who cares what blizz does if you quit
they can panic, not panic, chagne, etc. that's not really relevant
exotic perch
they were panicking during bfa/slands
sudden pawn
lets be clear here, there would only be panic if mages up and quit or evokers
exotic perch
subs were way down
normal pilot
ya and they took a look and decided that the way to address that is to push out faster/more content
drifting nova
Blizzard balances around people like <@253616853157412865> getting AOTC done in ...
listen bub I'm top 10%
respec me
exotic perch
i think the pace is actually really good for the game
craggy sonnet
also there is this huge disclaimer up top
tbf, i put quite a bit of work into the samples actually being reasonable
exotic perch
its just crazy that the vehicle for how to play the game (classes) are so bad
lofty depot
could just use a good weakaura pack
sudden pawn
the pace is only good if the people working on it are good enough themselves to keep up with it
normal pilot
balance & tuning has never been a dealbreaker for ppl
lofty depot
well u are pressing buttons out of line
it happens to be a small "out of line" but it is out of line and u are losing dps
the other stuff of sending asp incorrectly and then having to move without good spells is other stuff
normal pilot
or well. maybe it was a dealbreaker before but all those ppl have quit a long time ago
severe hollow
tbf, i put quite a bit of work into the samples actually being reasonable
thats fair still seems not particularly great to actually learn how to play compared to checking guides, or if you want to learn specific encounters check cd usages and possible cd delays of top logs
exotic perch
ye the only people who really care are like less then 10% of the total pop
which happens to be all the raiders etc
rare shoal
balance & tuning has never been a dealbreaker for ppl
Its not a deal breaker for me fortunately, I only care if spec is fun or not
normal pilot
i don't think it's even that high that actually care enough
sudden pawn
the real enemy is the m+ players who only care about big fuck dam and being invited to keys
they are the plague team, remember
normal pilot
10% care enoug hto comment/complain vocally about but still play the game
exotic perch
the real enemy is the m+ players who only care about big fuck dam and being invi...
i do think m+ has ruined raid balance lol
sudden pawn
100% lmfao
lofty depot
the real enemy is the m+ players who only care about big fuck dam and being invi...
gamz "down with the minigamers"
karmic raft
i think raid has ruined m+ balance
sudden pawn
ya starfall is IMPOSSIBLE to tune for raid because it would be to strong for m+!!
exotic perch
well M+ is a minigame so that opinion is non valid
sudden pawn
please ignore 4 mages and 5 evokers per boss please!
quiet drift
The thing is
lofty depot
3 ele shamans
quiet drift
Mage and Evoker is just completly disgusting mobility / utility
sudden pawn
ele sham is fine imo cause while theyre really really strong
hasty karma
is there any guide anywhere for how to set up an advanced sim?
sudden pawn
this is their 1 time to shine in a long time
pseudo merlin
fuck minigames
sudden pawn
so let them game
pseudo merlin
fuck minigamers
lofty depot
this is their 1 time to shine in a long time
same time frame as us tbf
normal pilot
you can read the simc wiki for all the advanced commands, but tha'ts prolly it
exotic perch
m+ exists to fill the vault to get your myth item to raid better
sudden pawn
ya i mean ele sham useless since unnat and stuff
lofty depot
is there any guide anywhere for how to set up an advanced sim?
what are u trying to do
normal pilot
idk if anyone's even written a guide/video introducing ppl to advanced simc
sudden pawn
now they get their fun
rare shoal
M+ exists for people like me that dont have a work schedule capable of raiding properly 
hasty karma
i'm trying to understand what clankz changed in their advanced sim they did for the rotation, anbd maybe eventually play around with that myself
sudden pawn
M+ exists for people like me that dont have a work schedule capable of raiding p...
i work 9-5 and mythic raid and have 3 kids and a wife
its so easy
severe hollow
its so easy
if your work schedule constantly changes would be a lot harder
rare shoal
i work 9-5 and mythic raid and have 3 kids and a wife
Im unavailable for roughly 12 hours 5 days a week and only have 2 days a week that are compatible with most raid times (monday and tuesday)
Clearly its not that easy
lofty depot
i'm trying to understand what clankz changed in their advanced sim they did for ...
added a bunch of conditions to trees and ca. U can text compare the kotg_st lines with the main apl
hasty karma
added a bunch of conditions to trees and ca. U can text compare the kotg_st line...
thank you!
rare shoal
I would rather die than raid with EU players
sudden pawn
rare shoal
Im not some echo soyboy
rare shoal
Ill just play my minigame and vibe with my casual aotc 1 day raid group 
rare shoal
on EU you dont have upsidedown people
You present a compelling argument
exotic perch
also i lied about wife and 3 kids im a loser
(we knew)
rare shoal
also i lied about wife and 3 kids im a loser
He just like me frfr
exotic perch
knew about the wife and kids part not the loser part
craggy sonnet
thats fair still seems not particularly great to actually learn how to play comp...
yea, looking at the sequence does not tell you why the buttons are being pressed the way they are
exotic perch
take care of yourself king
sudden pawn
severe hollow
also i lied about wife and 3 kids im a loser
you have 3 wives and a kid right??
craggy sonnet
idk if anyone's even written a guide/video introducing ppl to advanced simc
i believe tettles made a video where he at least talked about some things you can do in the advanced tab
exotic perch
well if you are ugly at least be in shape
sudden pawn
hasty karma
i believe tettles made a video where he at least talked about some things you ca...
i'll look for this
craggy sonnet
i'm trying to understand what clankz changed in their advanced sim they did for ...
would not advice you to attempt this
hasty karma
lol why not
craggy sonnet
but it was still just scratching the surface really. its just an introduction
craggy sonnet
because its a pain in the ass to read
normal pilot
and i guess you can try to read the simc wiki
idk if there's any other way to learn
rare shoal
So if im playing kotg in M+ what is my course of action if my 4pc starsurges dont crit in aoe
rare shoal
Is it a petition to have this chat closed angle
sudden pawn
/abandon
lofty depot
So if im playing kotg in M+ what is my course of action if my 4pc starsurges don...
probably uninstall
severe hollow
alt f4
rare shoal
I will keep this in mind for the future
craggy sonnet
lol why not
to be more precise .. you might wanna start looking at the base apl if you really want to. but i think its gonna be hard to decipher the conditions and actually get something meaningful out of this thats not much easier communicated in words, especially for my apl
lofty depot
start with frost mage 🙂
craggy sonnet
but ofc you are free to try
balance is just an absolute mess
because nothing lines up naturally
lofty depot
our ca cd variable is larger than frost mage total apl
hasty karma
to be more precise .. you might wanna start looking at the base apl if you reall...
thank you for the explanation. i may not get anywhere but i'll probably learn something along the way whether i do or not
craggy sonnet
thank you for the explanation. i may not get anywhere but i'll probably learn so...
these two pages are gonna be very important to understand the apl
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ActionLists
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/Action-List-Conditional-Expressions
mental plover
Can the channel be closed til we get a 2nd charge of barskin
hasty karma
these two pages are gonna be very important to understand the apl
https://github...
amazing, thank you. i'm a programmer so i have some faith i can learn what's essentially just another language here
craggy sonnet
ah ok .. that helps a lot
loud kettle
the language if u will is pretty straightforward
craggy sonnet
thats true
that in itself is not an issue at all if you have some coding knowledge
tawny phoenix
Hi bois, anyone using this trinket for m+?
lofty depot
hmm
severe hollow
there are concerns
maiden pasture
😭
tawny phoenix
Why?
maiden pasture
Bro people get crazier and crazier with their Sims
Wtf is that simulating
Instead of telling you the answer let's figure it out together
What is the purpose of a SIM of that kind
tawny phoenix
Frend told me to sim like that with boomie
lofty depot
feel free to not listen to that friend
normal pilot
unlucky baited by friend
maiden pasture
😭 you shouldn't take any advice from that friend anymore
severe hollow
you might need new friends
tawny phoenix
maiden pasture
You are simming a scenario which doesn't happen. Fighting 8 targets for 1:30 with all CDs up happens maybe once or twice a dungeon at BEST
1:30 is insanely long
Probs never happens tbh
normal pilot
hm anyways that trinket is prolly pretty good maybe
normal pilot
it's bugged too, doesn't get wiped on pull
loud kettle
Its been solid in the past
maiden pasture
oh so let me go sim 8t 45s
Doesn't change the point of all CDs up
normal pilot
so you just prepull regrwoth for 10 stack from the start
maiden pasture
How does that sim on st someone cook something up
hasty karma
so you just prepull regrwoth for 10 stack from the start
regrowth wouldn't work since it says spell damage no?
maiden pasture
so you just prepull regrwoth for 10 stack from the start
That's not dealing periodic spell damage tho or?
deft crown
can some1 explain me why majority plays this talent instead of like matted or something else?
drifting nova
nothing else
loud kettle
Well matted fur is just throwing points into the drain
lofty depot
so u can be in bear form and cast wrath to save a gcd swapping to moonkin
loud kettle
Read the number on it lol
hasty karma
You are simming a scenario which doesn't happen. Fighting 8 targets for 1:30 wit...
so it seems like the answer isn't just making the sim shorter? or do we just do shorter and accept that this scenario may not always line up but it's the best we have for simming?
normal pilot
ya tooltips don't matter in wow
deft crown
oh okay that makes sense, thx
normal pilot
i vaguely remember this coming up a while ago tho wit hthe prepull shit for this trinket maybe
drifting nova
theres an addon to get extended tooltips no
lofty depot
so it seems like the answer isn't just making the sim shorter? or do we just do ...
the problem is it takes 1 scenario in m+ when theres 50 different ones. Every pull in m+ isnt 8t1.5m, every pull doesnt have both ur cds, and every pull isnt aoe. So thinking o this is good in m+ cuz my funny 8t1.5m sim says so is just on it
drifting nova
something you cant even get base game
smoky sage
I just came back to the game the other day. I'm reading compedium right ,that - in raid ( Keeper) - we keep CA to use it with convoke and trees again infight and delay the 4th CA to be a with 2nd pots and 2 CAs again like the opener ? And it's mostly just trees inbetween ?
maiden pasture
so it seems like the answer isn't just making the sim shorter? or do we just do ...
You run an MDT SIM, that will give the best result for what gear you should have got m+
lofty depot
I just came back to the game the other day. I'm reading compedium right ,that - ...
depends on fight time
if the fight is 430 ur still sending cds at 415ish
smoky sage
of course if its to short to fit a 2nd pot
lofty depot
if the fight is 6m u would hold til 5 when pot came up
smoky sage
yeah but for the "3rd" round of CDs we stack up 2 CAs again
lofty depot
but yea u make that decision based on fight time
smoky sage
and have a longer window without big CDs
lofty depot
yeah but for the "3rd" round of CDs we stack up 2 CAs again
yes
smoky sage
yeah feels so different..
tawny phoenix
You run an MDT SIM, that will give the best result for what gear you should have...
How can i do that?
lofty depot
How can i do that?
read the faq in the compendium
tawny phoenix
Kk thank you
smoky sage
hmm looking through lorrgs is anyone still playing Elune for Forgeweaver or soulbinder at all?
smoky sage
hmm ok dunno where I got that info from then.
Soulbinder still feels like waste - adds dying way to fast
merry turtle
Elune forgeweaver is such a troll, adds dont last
smoky sage
Info from compendium where Twin moon is stronger NB in multi target only applies if the other targets live longe than 8sec or all the time ?
lofty depot
Soulbinder still feels like waste - adds dying way to fast
i mean u can above 95 parse on soulbinder wiht keeper
smoky sage
strogner than*
lofty depot
Info from compendium where Twin moon is stronger NB in multi target only applies...
generally if ur dotting multiples ye that live longer
smoky sage
even if they just dying 2 gcds later ?
lofty depot
no
craggy sonnet
yeah but for the "3rd" round of CDs we stack up 2 CAs again
Well, depending in fight timer you could also send 2-1-1-2 CAs
smoky sage
@craggy sonnet thats like 6 ish minutes?
elder remnant
I fell asleep xd
maiden pasture
good for mystic +
dense steeple
fuck m+
merry ibex
What's the difference in elunes vs keeper for raiding is it that big of a difference that you just don't play elunes
craggy sonnet
yes
merry ibex
I hate it here
craggy sonnet
at least if you are decently geared for keeper
elunes sim numbers are also not realistic to achieve
because of cast times and the resulting cancelled casts
drifting nova
wdym I hit my ec sims
merry ibex
All good I'll give it a whirl then, suppose it's just what you play better but ill give it a shake of the old sauce bottle see what happens
scenic mist
What's the difference in elunes vs keeper for raiding is it that big of a differ...
ec loses a lot more dps than kotg when you have to move, and in raid you always have to move
- longer casts
- sims lower anyway
merry ibex
ec loses a lot more dps than kotg when you have to move, and in raid you always ...
Thanks for that mate, I havent tried kotg yet so ill give it a go. Mainly been doing mythic plus.
dense steeple
dont worry we can tell
lofty depot
Thanks for that mate, I havent tried kotg yet so ill give it a go. Mainly been d...
read the guide it should help
scenic mist
read the guide it should help
choose one
dense steeple
read the both
scenic mist
read the both
lofty depot
could be both
signal temple
could be both
thorny crane
hey guys, im playing boomie as an alt so im kinda new to the class. this has probably been asked before, but do i need 2 different gear sets for the hero specs? i saw on wowhead that keeper doesnt like haste as much as eline's choses, but how big would be the difference if i played keeper with my current build? i have 9% crit 35% haste 22%mastery and 3% vers
thorny crane
hmm okay
merry ibex
read the both
Instructions unclear didnt read anything
Will be back to ask again in 5
dense steeple
thorny crane
i also feel like my mastery is kinda low in term of % but when i look at the actual number its 21474.
scenic mist
Will be back to ask again in 5
as you should
trust arctic to be there with sarcasm
lucid olive
There were made some minor optimizations in regards to the KOTG tier set and how you should play your cooldown windows in raid. The Compendium and APL are updated to reflect the recent optimizations.
The general change is when you have 2 charges of CA you do Treants -> CA -> Surge till empty -> Convoke -> CA which results in a shorter CD window.
Whenever you only have 1 charge of CA you do the same you've been doing since the season started with using Force of Nature 2 globals into your CA window, which mostly happens at 2 minutes.
lucid olive
There were made some minor optimizations in regards to the KOTG tier set and how...
<@&114146878353833984> pin
final sable
uncut roost
Unacceptable
scenic mist
surely it's because of the 4.7% buff
lucid olive
gameplay change mid season?
Waited for the 5% aura to pull another 0.8% out of our ass
wicked shuttle
Real
scenic mist
Waited for the 5% aura to pull another 0.8% out of our ass
that much ! damn, feral dead
delicate perch
I’m not reading that
dense steeple
so my opener is now:
wrath, wrath, starfire, moonfire, sunfire, Trees, CA
just like it used to be again?
vital hound
the sandbags have been removed
scenic mist
so my opener is now:
wrath, wrath, starfire, moonfire, sunfire, Trees, CA
just...
lmao legit we're back to s2 but after the end of voke we insta CA
vital hound
so my opener is now:
wrath, wrath, starfire, moonfire, sunfire, Trees, CA
just...
wrath warth starfire sunfire trees ca surge convoke ca
dense steeple
my boy i know the surge convoke meme
im more worried about the initial opener
before the dunmp + voke
delicate perch
vital hound
no moonfire
dense steeple
trees slow
vital hound
moonfire when you have trees is pussy gameplay
trust the fellas
they're working ot
dense steeple
arctic moonfires
dense steeple
uncut roost
trees slow
Give them some redbull
dense steeple
how are your parse
vital hound
listen
lucid olive
For every Moonfire you cast you remove the job of 1 Treant
vital hound
whats important here
lucid olive
How can you live with yourself?
dense steeple
i can almost get kyveza to 50% before first cup game
vital hound
i actually muted/ignored the mage in our guild
because he keeps mentioning my 0 on fractillus
vital hound
rank 1 to rank 0
delicate perch
because he keeps mentioning my 0 on fractillus
I had a 70% crit surge pull that was a wipe, got assassinated the pull after and we killed it 
vital hound
how the mighty have fallen
vital hound
I had a 70% crit surge pull that was a wipe, got assassinated the pull after and...
LITERALLY THE SAME
dense steeple
happens to the best of us
vital hound
i hate the clanker boss
and i hate mages
they blink last minute
and they can live fucking four of the circles
delicate perch
I seen the scaley little fucker hover over too 
dense steeple
speakin of clankers
vital hound
so assume everyone can
dense steeple
did you see irl documentation of clanker getting ptsd
dense steeple
they showed an ai robot like a million pictures of jungle cats
then when they put the robot in front of a real lion the robot froze up and only ever documented "fear"
vital hound
wtf
dense steeple
they took it away and put it in front of other four legged animals and it still only reported "fear"
dense steeple
they tried factory reseting and mem wipes but robot only knew fear
lofty depot
gameplay change mid season?
unlike hunter when we find optimization its 1% not 20%
dense steeple
they had to destroy its cpu and give it a new one
lofty depot
unforch funny bugged talent
vital hound
wait how big is the new apl change worth
dense steeple
X
scenic mist
wait how big is the new apl change worth
gamz said .8%
vital hound
lucid olive
0.7% or 0.8%, around there
could be skewed with araz trinket compared to others
havent checked other trinkets
scenic mist
havent checked other trinkets
lmao imagine it's 3% loss w/o araz
huge bait on the whole community
vital hound
lucid olive
with Lilly its like 0.2%
scenic mist
what about w/o any use trinket
lucid olive
basically neutral it seems
dense steeple
what about if im a condiment
lucid olive
no saving you
scenic mist
what about if im a condiment
i knew you were salty
dense steeple
nah thats the dumbest flavor
scenic mist
nah thats the dumbest flavor
typically what a salty person would say
loud kettle
sandbaggers
dense steeple
typically what a salty person would say
i like sauce
vital hound
nah thats the dumbest flavor
ragebait
vital hound
with Lilly its like 0.2%
was it the apl clankz cooked
lucid olive
ye
sleek meteor
what is the off piece for boomie in raid and m+ ?
tacit oriole
what?
lucid olive
the one that sims less for you
potent cargo
?
craggy sonnet
wait how big is the new apl change worth
worth more with potent .. like 1.1% or so
craggy sonnet
with Lilly its like 0.2%
yea, honestly didnt even check how old apl plays lily. but lily is just even more shit withOUT potent. you just end up holding it too much
loud kettle
you dont just do 0-90-3min and 2ca on pull/3min?
craggy sonnet
you dont just do 0-90-3min and 2ca on pull/3min?
well .. convoke aint up at 90
scenic mist
you dont just do 0-90-3min and 2ca on pull/3min?
and hold voke that long ?
lofty depot
well .. convoke aint up at 90
it could be
scenic mist
how could it be
no press from pull to 90 ig
loud kettle
and hold voke that long ?
Yea screw it
craggy sonnet
and then you run into issues holding trees
loud kettle
It all depends on fight timer too much
leaden birch
are y'all dotting the adds on soulbinder? the ones broken from the pods
they die fast af on mythic too
craggy sonnet
no
leaden birch
k cool
craggy sonnet
or you mean when they all come?
craggy sonnet
yea nah pods you just ignore
loud kettle
and then you run into issues holding trees
Hm? 0, 30, 1:30 2 3 nothing is lost
leaden birch
okay cool ty
craggy sonnet
Hm? 0, 30, 1:30 2 3 nothing is lost
no yea .. i meant if you actually consider voke and then trees
convoke up at like 1:50
trees up at like 1:15
surely you send again
so then you are back to 2min for lily
craggy sonnet
no way do you hold it that long
vital hound
worth more with potent .. like 1.1% or so
holy hecka
loud kettle
4fun
loud kettle
yes, schadenfreude or something like that
Ill have you know im a renown boomy tc
Even got invited to the secret club
vital hound
i think its more a case of the boomkins becoming feral
i dont think anyone who's credited on dg for boomkin is playing it
loud kettle
I did see the legendary gamz 0 parse
lucid olive
wtf
loud kettle
(:
loud kettle
Ya just need orange name for feral one
lucid olive
criminal you're not green name in dg
loud kettle
I'm skipping straight to admin
scenic mist
from orange to oranger
loud kettle
True orange name
vital hound
still time to delete that
loud kettle
Door hinge
scenic mist
still time to delete that
watch me
scenic mist
scenic mist
criminal you're not green name in dg
where do we open support ticket
drifting nova
criminal you're not green name in dg
lucid olive
I did see the legendary gamz 0 parse
log review me
drifting nova
hahahah
loud kettle
Don't die noob
drifting nova
goes feral, dies
lucid olive
wtf
drifting nova
classic
drifting nova
boss is patchwerk
loud kettle
Maybe thats the problem
loud kettle
Bear that
loud kettle
Wrong difficulty
lucid olive
gg youre right
scenic mist
drifting nova
wiped on soul hunters tonight big sad
scenic mist
gosh
loud kettle
Noob?
lucid olive
thems were the vibes
stone ledge
yo this new starfall glyph is sick
scenic mist
i am doing it properly on mythic
the sim even sends swarm sooner
ig to be sure dot is on target when you ff
lucid olive
sim deez
lofty depot
ig to be sure dot is on target when you ff
surely i do that prepull
lucid olive
surely i do that prepull
no then you can't rake from stealth
craggy sonnet
holy hecka
but there is some other optimization stuff in there that would also benefit the old double ca apl
loud kettle
i am doing it properly on mythic
Replace shred with thrash bestie
lucid olive
yeah that pull was a shred vibe
other times is a thrash vibe
it also depends if i end up at 5cp before the swarm or
loud kettle
Too bad they dont stack
lucid olive
i roar for them and dash for me
loud kettle
Dumb game
scenic mist
"it's not fast enough yet"
lucid olive
vital hound
but there is some other optimization stuff in there that would also benefit the ...
baller
clankz expert when
loud kettle
Darkflight though...
potent cargo
yo this new starfall glyph is sick
rip gpu
lucid olive
clankz can learn mdx compendium syntax and take over i think
normal pilot
hmmm
loud kettle
Legendary
normal pilot
i'm pretty sure you can prepull swap this trinket too
stack up to 10 stacks, stack up nexus king to 2 stacks. pop both regrowth, swap both trinkets
normal pilot
sadly ya
normal pilot
swap to resto, put out a ton of hots, flourish, swap to balance, 2x regrowth for nexus king, swap to focus, instant 10s stack, swap to passive trinket & pull
scenic mist
Gotta cancelaura time spiral
crazy crazy tech
lofty depot
imagine getting value out of evoker
lucid olive
scenic mist
imagine getting value out of evoker
wouldnt be me
loud kettle
swap to resto, put out a ton of hots, flourish, swap to balance, 2x regrowth for...
Why stop there?
Start in feral, stack up swarms
clever vigil
what happened to the balance channel
clever vigil
yeah u need some coaching or ?
normal pilot
hm does swarm buff any balance spells
lucid olive
yeah u need some coaching or ?
yeah please
scenic mist
yeah please
yo tazavesh trinket actually did some damage
lucid olive
yeah big value trinket that
lucid olive
i might equip that over antenna ngl
normal pilot
SL version of swarm buffs everything
lucid olive
crazy you link that when this is ur nexus king btw
scenic mist
yeah big value trinket that
imagine playing pw to send only 1 pw
lucid olive
moonkin tourists 🤝
lucid olive
i watched your kill vid and the french timers threw me off
clever vigil
yeah please
anytime and place lmk pookie >.<
loud kettle
Hekili would never
scenic mist
i watched your kill vid and the french timers threw me off
did you enjoy the negative recording fps
lucid olive
yeah your frames are great
scenic mist
i watched your kill vid and the french timers threw me off
wdym french timers
digits are the same in every language
lucid olive
the french TTS timers
drifting nova
un
lucid olive
you cant think of one french TTS in that
scenic mist
ok lmao