balance

[stone ledge]

Or you can get a player that makes mobs that aren’t dotted a specific color

[mental plover]

[minor swift]

What is this

[vale gazelle]

Poetry

[exotic perch]

Twist is trying a new copypasta

[digital berry]

Oh so trees into ca, dump asp, convoys, insta ca ?

[lofty depot]

yes

[night gulch]

no, trees after ca

[lofty depot]

no

tahts not what were talkign about

[kind sage]

the buff r enought?

[lofty depot]

enough for what

[kind sage]

or we will stay last in the table

[lofty depot]

ur likely last in the table still

[kind sage]

for be more close to middle table

[lofty depot]

just lesser last

middle

no

ur like another 8% off of that

the problem pure st might be fine

everything else is fucked

[craggy sonnet]

ye, basically .. gotta make sure not to send too many surges pre convoke tho, to still fit the favor surges into trees

so usually just two unless in lust i think

[digital berry]

Yeah I’ve kinda been doing that since that one time we talked about it

[craggy sonnet]

ye is good

[digital berry]

Sending the second ca immediately after convoke just feels better

[shell vortex]

Can you possibly send me this wa?

[ionic surge]

@maiden pasture you're the worst actually

pulling me in the waves like that

[weary marsh]

im a healer main 15 eco i feel like my damage is hella low can anyone see something fast and easy i can fix from this ?

i say the healer main thing cuz i havent been able to farm farm the right trinkets ofc

[maiden pasture]

😭

[ionic surge]

i had literally never stepped foot in that dungeon before kek

[maiden pasture]

bro anyone who steps into floodgate with me gets the same treatment

[ionic surge]

i started playing again

two days ago

istg im not playing THAT bad

[dreamy locust]

ST enchant, not great gems for DPS

But also ur 2 ilvl lower, hard to tell difference between you and dk/dh

with the bars

[craggy sonnet]

its not a ST enchant

[dreamy locust]

ummmm.... isnt that leg enchant old?

[craggy sonnet]

but its not the best enchant

[old creek]

Radiant power is the stat one, that's not ST

[dreamy locust]

radiant power is mainstat, Im psure its ass nowadays, but yeah misspoke

[craggy sonnet]

and yea, the leg enchant is beans content

but its prolly you not casting starfire enough

[dreamy locust]

Isnt current leg enchant like 900 int?

[craggy sonnet]

maybe not dotting all the mobs

[maiden pasture]

nah i mean u cranked

but also like

elunes moonkin is

a meme

[dreamy locust]

?

[maiden pasture]

what

[dreamy locust]

Wtf are you smoking lmfao

[maiden pasture]

what

[dreamy locust]

Spec isn't a meme, its A tier, very viable/good

[maiden pasture]

not what i was saying

but okay

u can join the convo

[dreamy locust]

You called it a meme

[maiden pasture]

its a meme in how piss easy it is to play

so u cant

[dreamy locust]

Which means a joke

[maiden pasture]

play bad

[dreamy locust]

You called the spec a joke, and you want me to convey meaning that means easy

[maiden pasture]

i didnt want you to convey anything i wasnt talking to you

[dreamy locust]

You meant something other than what you said, thats okay tho

[lofty depot]

why is blud on ur ass?

[ionic surge]

im so locked in bro

big miik back at it

[maiden pasture]

im just helping a brother out

he was crakning

[ionic surge]

imagine the things i'll do once i get a weapon enchant and some embelishments

[lofty depot]

yea weapon enchant and embells so big

clue

u need a weapon dork

[ionic surge]

i have like 22 gilded crests

i can't craft shit

[maiden pasture]

run a hard mode

[dreamy locust]

Do you not have ascendance on ur wep

[maiden pasture]

cheeky

nah that weapon has ascendance

dw

[ionic surge]

who tf is taking me into hard mode

[ionic surge]

no this character was level 74 two days ago

[maiden pasture]

surely one of twists alts needs

[dreamy locust]

oh I thought miik was the one who did the 15,

Hardmode taz on alts is goated tho, just who cares if you die

[ionic surge]

na i'm a relic from a bygone day

[dreamy locust]

Just expect to die, get a bunch of 694 gear

[ionic surge]

if you die you're a bitch

i don't make the rules

[dreamy locust]

We did like 670 alts, and only died cause something our evoker had was

Just blasting rooted mobs and spam unrooting them

[scarlet tapir]

bro griefing his first time and my first time healing

thought he died to lack of healing

was just wave gg

[covert coyote]

gg

[ionic surge]

bro knew i was going to outdamage him so he had to sabotage me sm

[scarlet tapir]

@ionic surge actually its a bad time for u to go back to raiding, next tiers will have like 2 bosses

only one will have more and i think its the last one

i dont remember

[ionic surge]

good thing i'm not going back to raiding then

this is my legion remix waiting room

[dreamy locust]

Where they announce this, I thought this is last raid before midnight

[ionic surge]

he meant in midnight

[scarlet tapir]

yea

its for next exapc

[dreamy locust]

Didnt they say something like

They gonna try out a multiple raids out at once

For the start

[ionic surge]

exactky

small raids

[dreamy locust]

Like 2 diff 3-4 boss raids

I mean 2 raids released at same time with 3-4 each

Not really different than an 8 boss raid

Im down to try it but, blizz balancing GL

[ionic surge]

its not the first time

ToV came out with NH

Terrace came out with MGV or smth

[dreamy locust]

Thats not true

They werent same time

[craggy sonnet]

It's a 6 boss raid and 1 boss raid released at the start.
And a 2 boss raid like 2-3 weeks later

[dreamy locust]

Only one I remember is cata raids

[lofty depot]

first one is 6, and theres a solo raid at the same time, 2 weeks later 2 boss raid comes. apparently the 2 boss raid being the hardest so nexus and dimmy split apart from the rest of the 6 bosses basically

[maiden pasture]

yo @lofty depot im pulling araz next week as bamkin for the first time in a boost what do CD usages loo like

[loud kettle]

typhoon and vortex will be on the note

[lofty depot]

the ones on lorrg prob

mythic boost?

pog

[maiden pasture]

ye

is it just

on pull then as soon as boss is about to go into ramp u go

[lofty depot]

wellllllll, i aint doing it on pull 🙂

[maiden pasture]

i see that

[lofty depot]

naked ca at 320 on collectors

typeeeeeee shit

[maiden pasture]

cant be good

[lofty depot]

why not

wanna see who does more dam

the r1 or the r7 on amp

[craggy sonnet]

the one who crits 🙂

[lofty depot]

hmm

he crit

im just better

got more surges as well

18 vs 17

[craggy sonnet]

no, you just listened to me

[lofty depot]

I RUN THESE FUCKING STREETS CLANKER

R7 i suck tho

[maiden pasture]

bro is egoing someone that got r1 with his r7

[craggy sonnet]

well

this fight is really dependent on critting the amp surges

[lofty depot]

well maybe he play better

[craggy sonnet]

and on just every second more you get on 2nd amp

[lofty depot]

nah he cheated

they got full 2nd amp

[craggy sonnet]

see

cant beat that

[jaunty blaze]

What's a 2nd amp even

[lofty depot]

but most of themp play that wrong aswell

[maiden pasture]

surely in a boost

we get 2nd amp

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[lofty depot]

they dont know how to double ca

tragic really

[craggy sonnet]

hm? the boss has an amp .. and the 2nd one of those?

[jaunty blaze]

Didnt get those

[loud kettle]

real ones dont get the 2nd amp

[craggy sonnet]

oh you pushed before

[jaunty blaze]

Must be a bug

[craggy sonnet]

ok

didnt get that it was a bit

[maiden pasture]

typical clanker cant understand context

[jaunty blaze]

How do you even parse without 2nd amp

Smh

[muted citrus]

clankz!!!!!!

[craggy sonnet]

hello!!

its nance!!

look

[muted citrus]

I miss u

[craggy sonnet]

sawwy 🙁

[muted citrus]

I just clicked in here

[lofty depot]

u probably dont

i got r7 with 5s

[lucid olive]

resto channel bullied clankz into balance

[craggy sonnet]

i dont actually have time to follow a single channel in here .. let alone two

[muted citrus]

tale as old as time

[craggy sonnet]

wasting too much time already

its so sad

but me dumb

[lofty depot]

so he just follows balance

thats badass

who bullied clanker?

i dont see any voulk hof posts

oh nvm i see a few

[craggy sonnet]

the heck?

[terse tartan]

these vault trinkets are such ass, do i just send it on 6 tokens? or take a mythic one for ilvl?

[lofty depot]

crystal not bad

u just didnt do enough 10s

[terse tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/life-barrel-me-roll-gif-17943995

[serene hound]

Does a rolling starfall scale „live“ with an ending/ beginning Eclipse/ CA ?

[lofty depot]

starfall is dynamic and changes based on the buffs u have yes

[serene hound]

Thx 🙏

[terse tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7vrb1uuRqCXo1GRvmMukvM

yeah think ill grab a socket this week

[stone ledge]

The hell we simming

[terse tartan]

5 targets 5 mins by the looks

[stone ledge]

That’s not a real sim lol

[terse tartan]

your not a real sim

its what ive been doing for m+ sims forever though no?

[stone ledge]

Name the fight that’s 5 targets for 5 minutes that you’d play kotg

Kotg runs completely different stats then ec, so different items are better for m+ if you want to play optimally

[terse tartan]

<<< is the controller boomi that plays like 3hrs a week

kotg is fun. i run kotg full time

same build since 11.1

[stone ledge]

You’d want to pick out a route in mdt and run a mdt sim if you want accurate numbers

[terse tartan]

never did work out how to do an mdt sim

[stone ledge]

Realistically what keys are you trying to do

[terse tartan]

10s casually for vault

[stone ledge]

Then I’d just run a single target sim cause shits gonna be dying too fast in 10s to actually get a full kotg combo off

Become the boss nuke

It’s probably just crystal

I run crystal on my st build

Cause antenna hates me

[terse tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wi1pygbrXCaNGZpv3jBFCB

ill just farm out a crystal, probs gonna just get tokens

[stone ledge]

Lash is a sim bait ngl, mythic crystal is the immediate upgrade but idk why you aren’t running delve belt until .5

[terse tartan]

my belts still like 693

[stone ledge]

You can still upgrade it to 701

[terse tartan]

694*

idk dreamgrove said something like blah blah as good as a hero

[stone ledge]

Yeah just need to do the quest twice and it only gets beat by myth belts. Like a 720 craft is like 0.3 for me

[stone ledge]

You should craft bracers with writhing band too

Likely *

[terse tartan]

yeaah still need my spark from this week

[stone ledge]

That is the key word

That is also assuming a fully upgraded belt

[terse tartan]

my sims were putting hero belts like 1.7% better

so i just didnt bother

[stone ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v1AmAuX4UT12eGie5XpqUf

This was my droptimizer earlier in the week

6/6 heroic and 0 belts are better

Upgrading the belt will cover you til .5 where you can craft a belt if you don’t snipe a mythic one

Just make sure you sim the different types of belts so you get the best upgrade

[craggy sonnet]

this is wrong .. 701 disc belt is better than anything below 717-720 ilvl

but yea, no reason to pick a hero trinket out of vault

go get that socket

and prio dawnbreaker/eco dome to get a trinket drop natty

[sudden pawn]

my 714 belt simmed higher lol

[covert coyote]

yea 714 belt from 1st boss ties w/ vers and haste proc delve belt

[terse tartan]

❤️

[craggy sonnet]

yea thats around the breakpoint. was more saying, you need something 717 to replace

[covert coyote]

oh true

[craggy sonnet]

ofc you can sidegrade if you want

but you should not invest resources to do so

[stone ledge]

Ohhhh it’s a hero I didn’t see that

Yeah just socket

[rare sedge]

Im confused. How are we getting a 4.7% damage increase out of a 5% damage buff?

[normal pilot]

because it's not a 5% buff

gotta pay rounding tax to blizz

[lucid olive]

Current spec aura is on 1.27 and is getting multiplied by 1.05 which amounts to 1.3335

which is rounded down to 1.33

[lofty depot]

if we got 6 we wouldve gotten extra

unforch really

[normal pilot]

that happened on the first 8% buff

but balance is two time loser with the last 2 buffs

[lofty depot]

ye i rememebr one of them ye

[lucid olive]

crazy the spec aura was 0 at start of the expansion

[leaden birch]

Is k, gets nerfed with turbo boost

[lucid olive]

we've gotten 33% worth of aura buffs in 3 seasons

maybe look at the spec fundamentally and why every other spec outscales it so much we need aura buffs to make up for it

[leaden birch]

Gamz, ive read the pins but im not sure if im supposed to be happy or mad

[lucid olive]

you can feel what you wanna feel

[empty girder]

What's the spec aura? is it like a type of buff each class/spec have?

[leaden birch]

I feel how this discord tells me to feel

[lofty depot]

well cuz they gutteed the tierset

[dense steeple]

Basically they just slap a modifier bandaid to increase our decrease damage

Thats the aura

[daring gull]

Blizzard just hates us :c

I still can't believe they stole full moons animation from us

That shit has me fucked up

[normal pilot]

so once upon a time blizz used to individually adjust every spell by hand

[empty girder]

Got it, and I assume each class has something like that

[normal pilot]

around BFA they decided this was inefficient

[empty girder]

ouch

[normal pilot]

so they grouped up a bunch of spells under one category and decided it would be better to just adjust everything at once

of coures that just resulted in unintentional things getting adjusted

[scenic mist]

[normal pilot]

so now they're back to sometimes adjusting things individually by hand agains

[dense steeple]

Yes

[lofty depot]

double pet buffs

[normal pilot]

as well as adjusthing things in mass in groups and causing unintended changes

best of both worlds

[daring gull]

Inb4 pulsar is an apex talent

[scenic mist]

why do we get m+/raid combined tuning instead of separate like pvp

[lofty depot]

it better be

[normal pilot]

blizz doesn't want you playing them separately

[daring gull]

Give us pulsar and stellar drift and we can call it a day

[empty girder]

So jsut to make sure, in this case when they say "all damage increasy by 5%" it literally means the aura buff

[normal pilot]

you're meant to suffer thru the content you hate in orderr to keep the population up

[empty girder]

[lofty depot]

when it says that, it means an aura buff

which u then go look at the modifer and do some math

[daring gull]

It's just weird when we have to suffer through raid to do m+

[lofty depot]

and the decimal can only go 2

so u lost .0035

[daring gull]

This entire xpac has been cheeks for raiding which sucks

[loud kettle]

class design vs raid design

not a good match

[lofty depot]

instead of if it was 6% and gaining .0038

[dense steeple]

We would have less problems if blizzard would just pull the ripcord

And delete pvp

[daring gull]

On god

No one pvps retail anyway

[lofty depot]

i mean, boomkin op in pvp

(apparently i dont play that shit)

[daring gull]

Fair

But exactly

I don't know anyone that really gives a fuck about pvping on retail anymore

Outside of like prepatch events

I play with wm on for the xp boost and extra wqs but it's not like I'm trying to pvp

[wind mason]

guys is Araz the worst boss ever?

[exotic perch]

no that would be stone legion generals

[calm ibex]

I forgot about slg

God dammit

[craggy sonnet]

wdym?

araz is a pretty aight boss

if it wouldnt randomly shoot you in the face

[lofty depot]

council of dreams

araz is badass

[scenic mist]

someone here forgot about hellfire citadel assault

[craggy sonnet]

are you actually hating on araz?

or

[mental plover]

No

[scenic mist]

dont steal the collector's lunch

[mental plover]

Its awesome

Nk>sh>araz

[exotic perch]

thats a first boss man those are supposed to be easy and not memorable

[scenic mist]

easy wasnt the issue really

[mental plover]

I understand casuals not liking em tho

[scenic mist]

more like an 8min boss with 2min of actual fighting

[exotic perch]

yea but its a first boss

[scenic mist]

still my worst pve experience to this day

yeah but like

eranog is great

first bosses can be good

kazara was good

taragrue was good

[craggy sonnet]

plexus is also pretty good

[exotic perch]

ngl plexus is kinda cool

[scenic mist]

it's ok yeah, i'm not a big fan of the intermission but

[exotic perch]

could be a fun mid tier boss if they made the cloak more involved init

and maybe 1 more mechanic

[wind mason]

idk, feels like its either araz or lihuvim

[scenic mist]

may i, excuse me for this, but remind you the existence of HELLFIRE ASSAULT

in a time where the only thing you could do in your week was the damn raid, the first boss was this terrifying thing where you had to put green squares into green holes

and then wait 2min, and then repeat

even the skip couldnt be activated before the boss

[wind mason]

at least you dont have ro run out for half min to cc shit.

[scenic mist]

EXCUSE ME ?

i stand my ground, no boss was ever worse than HFA

[scenic mist]

• araz is legit "walk 3yards and stand near the puddle ggwp"

one cc gcd every minute isnt a pain

i mean you are obviously entitled to an opinion

but this opinion baffles me

[loud kettle]

using cc is cool

[wind mason]

half min meaning for Lihuvim. Also boomie wasnt that bad of spec during ha

[quiet drift]

Holy fuck

I just got violent Lihuvim ptsd

🤢

[lucid olive]

you don't like mass entangle??

[scenic mist]

laugh in Razageth 2nd intermission

[noble spindle]

i didnt even have 2p/4p for lihuvim... had to cancelaura pulsar

🥀

[dense steeple]

back when byul sucked ass

🥀

[noble spindle]

your ass too nasty to suck

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[dense steeple]

i didnt say my ass

[noble spindle]

but i said your ass

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/touche-park-sangyoung-géza-imre-olympics-hit-gif-22490850

[echo field]

anyone got the new boomy sims? or should i jsut do math?? oof

[scenic mist]

pins

[echo field]

ty ty

[dense steeple]

oh yeah well i just built a new pc and its really nice

[empty girder]

Guys why is the sim showing that the Parapodia is better but still showing the Jug as equipped?

[round oracle]

its such a small diff in that amount of dmg, so it tells its just sidegrade

[empty girder]

got it, ty

[lofty depot]

show sim

[empty girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9jr8SxRC7ssy1YpakLF113

had to run it again, now it changed

[lofty depot]

hmm

anyway

[empty girder]

oops, should I sim it other way for AoE? - M+?

[lofty depot]

read the faq in the compendium

[empty girder]

lms

[empty girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x4CTGNR1R95mUCRtJgvqho now it changes the Ritual Forge for the Signet

I guess that's the best option

[dense steeple]

5 week bullshit accomplished

[lofty depot]

smh

thats not what i meant

u sim mdt and make some decisions

u dont sim fuggn m+ talents on st

btw u seem to care abour raid, this should be diff

[empty girder]

Yeah I'm raiding a lot...

[empty girder]

[digital berry]

I haven’t ran a single key this week someone log onto my account and do them for me please

[stone ledge]

Send the account over to hopeful

[ionic oak]

I started doing keys as arcane mage

Because my feelings are hurt

[ionic oak]

Idk why it took so ling for this to click in my head and made me laugh

Late night

[tight dagger]

can someone explain me, where i enter the "ptr=1" ?

[lofty depot]

at the bottom of the sim theres an "enable expert mode" check box

[tight dagger]

like this ?

perfect, ty

5,343... hmm

240k+

[jaunty blaze]

Yuuuuge

[merry ibex]

guys is there a resource tracker for balance somewhere?

i never know how much astral power i have

[lofty depot]

theres plenty of them, i prefer OiBalance pack which is linked in the compendium

[merry ibex]

kk ty

i tried luxthos and i dont love it

[slim elk]

i prefer OiBalanace too over luxthos

Oi is the goat

[round field]

luxthos is hideous anyways

[lyric fog]

Does somebody know a good WA for showing me when I am target of random nukes like water bolt, web bolt, etc

[mental plover]

Yeah, targeted spells in wago

[silk snow]

Guys just one question, the balance is still shit in raid after the buff?

[lofty depot]

yes

bm got 4% buff and found some extra %

aug also got a buff, w.e. that means

[silk snow]

Then we are still the worst class in raid of the patch..

[lofty depot]

yep

ull sim above 6m when ur full bis

pog

[silk snow]

Is time to reroll then

[lofty depot]

good thing raid is ST

kek

[lofty depot]

it was time to reroll last tier

mage / lock / evoker

[silk snow]

Ye, but im raidleading

[lofty depot]

play evoker then

[silk snow]

Need something easy and confort

Boomie was ok

[lofty depot]

i mean if ur raid leading u can play boomkin and likely not care

[silk snow]

Ye but in fighting with tanks for dps

[round field]

play bm hunter

[silk snow]

I mean is better bench my self and lead from outside

[lofty depot]

maybe u post a log and ill give u some tips

[round field]

if u raidlead play either like

bm or aug

[silk snow]

Give me a sec then

[silk snow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7zy89kdFHqBVQfM4?fight=48&type=damage-done

[lofty depot]

oh well yea

oh a few things im gonna ask and see if u care to minmax

and or if ur gonna get it

2nd amp if u play grove, u wont have 2 cas

do u care taht ur 2nd ca will be at like 620 or w.e.

ur opener is wrong, the trees is held after those 2 surges

u spend all ur asp before dryads favor so u didnt have asp to send 2 surges in ca

yea ur playing the old rotation

should read the guide

i never moonfired the adds

they dont live long enough

sunfire and cba

[jaunty blaze]

i mean you usually get trees up almost every add set aswell

[humble mauve]

does sims high roll astral smolders>

[jaunty blaze]

slam sunfire and blast

[fossil hemlock]

It averages, some iterations are high some are low

[humble mauve]

oh okay played a healer for 10 years never touching dps in a mythic setting just got told to swap to boomkin

was just wondering why it wa so low on my details while at the dummy and so hgh on sims

[fossil hemlock]

Best guess is you don't cast enough

[silk snow]

Ok thank you

Need to chain the 2 ca then?

Before the 1th one end?

[jaunty blaze]

it is described in the guide including a video

[lofty depot]

that is how we use cds now yes

and then i suppose for prog i throw around my cds yes

but when u go to kill said boss, u hold ur cds til amp

so after your opener u dont press ca + convoke

[silk snow]

But i dont lost tons of dps in this way?

[lofty depot]

the amp is 100%

[silk snow]

Ok then i need save all of 2 ca for that?

• convoke ofc

[silk snow]

Where i can find that?

[lofty depot]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/druid-balance/forgeweaver-araz

every fight u should do some research

[jaunty blaze]

the link is in the channel description and pins

[humble mauve]

am I confusing it I thought it was based off of moonfire/sunfire dot?

[jaunty blaze]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

[fossil hemlock]

Smolder is based on casting wrath/starfire

[silk snow]

Ok thank you!

[silk snow]

Thanks a lot guys!

[faint yacht]

Sorry guys a stupid question: on double bosses like floodgate, or eco dome 2nd boss phase, should I use starsurge or starfall? Do they share health?

[delicate perch]

floodgate sure, ecodome probably min max timer left but send them at the start sure

[faint yacht]

Sure what?

[delicate perch]

starfall 2+ targets

[faint yacht]

Ok so I should aoe them instead of ST

[delicate perch]

ya

[faint yacht]

Ty

[delicate perch]

floodgate does not share health though

so if one is dying too quickly surge the other

[faint yacht]

Because if they shared health, I should have gone ST I suppose

[lofty depot]

starfall til the amp is like 7 seconds left ish

[lofty depot]

nah fuck that

starfire the other

starfall regardless

[delicate perch]

log off minigame

[lofty depot]

gamz "down with the minigamers"

[lofty depot]

wow i didnt know they buffed us

[open bay]

Yup!

[jaunty blaze]

no way

afkgod been afk a bit too long apparently

[faint yacht]

If it’s possible to call this a buff… a buff should be a buff, not aura buffing and nerfing the tier set.. but maybe I’m wrong

[lofty depot]

ud be wrong

[cloud lion]

they buff us after blood dk so we at least do more dmg than tanks

[faint yacht]

Fiesta loca

[faint yacht]

Am I?

[lofty depot]

a buff should be a buff, yea ur wrong

u got buffed

[severe hollow]

Yes

[jaunty blaze]

small buff still buff

[round field]

thats

[faint yacht]

So I can sleep well tonight 🛌

[jaunty blaze]

nope

[round field]

quite literally a buff tho

[severe hollow]

Something happens and you are stronger because of that happening, that's a buff

[faint yacht]

Honestly I didn’t expect they would have touched other things except aura buffing; small or big, personally I’m disappointed

[round field]

but

[lofty depot]

they didnt want to buff moonkin in m+ by 5%

[round field]

it literally doesnt matter

[lofty depot]

its pretty shrimple

[round field]

if they give u

5% aura buff

or they buff spells separately

[lofty depot]

so they just looked at ur damage and picked a few lines and said yea we nerf that

[harsh jungle]

Kotg is the new shit in m+

Fuck ec

[vital hound]

based

but untrue

[tame dome]

what does the pin mean by 'EC: ~+2% dungeon routes'

[jaunty blaze]

that you will have about 2% damage increases with a dungeon route sim

[tame dome]

oh, didn't even know there was such thing as a dungeon route sim

ty. so it's effectively saying 2% buff for m+?

[crude void]

Yes

[tame dome]

cool. anyone simmed single target difference for EC?

[jaunty blaze]

dunno what you are asking for tbh

ec wont be better as a raid st choice if you wnat to know that

[tame dome]

depends

if I play KoTG I don't play convoke

so currently EC sims 4.5m and KoTG sims 4m for me

[jaunty blaze]

[round field]

Wtf am i reading

[tame dome]

the cooldown descyn triggers me

[jaunty blaze]

perhaps then the spec isnt for you

[limpid grotto]

bro said im allergic to doing damage

[trail dune]

If i'm looking to craft embellishment and slots that's interchangeable for boomie / feral what would you guys craft?

I have 723 weapon slots both places

[maiden pasture]

probs a ring, sim it tho

[jaunty blaze]

duskthread dawntread

on your bracers that is

[upbeat sable]

same on belt most likely

[trail dune]

feelsbadman that I have am yth track belt

but yeah I supopse it has to be belt and bracers

[maiden pasture]

theres no way belt is correct right now

long term sure

but not rn

[jaunty blaze]

idk what feral uses as offpiece

but for boomie can also craft shoulders

[maiden pasture]

a lot of ferals crafted helm

[jaunty blaze]

i see

[maiden pasture]

but it aso doesnt matter

[trail dune]

Yeah just feels wasteful to go for helm when it drops from first boss of mythic

and I hit shoulders this week from HM

[maiden pasture]

you can just sim what slot to make

[steel valley]

Would u say the new boomie buffs are big with the 5% compared to the other 3 things they nerfing?

[verbal osprey]

Hello , does some1 have time to look at me if i do something wrong , i feel like i do 0 dps and i'm the reason can't time 15

[delicate perch]

b

[verbal osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/39812735?zone=45

I don't know where to look for a specific dng

Did eco 14 , not timed , and verry messy dawn 14

Eco i played EC, dawn KOTG

On dawn on parses it looks i got 98 , but this is what the dmg looked like

[delicate perch]

the dungeon parses you're looking at don't mean anything, they are just a overall of keylevel

you need to change it to damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B1cTDvXzQ3gCbLV6?fight=8&type=damage-done here is 14 logged by someone in your group

[sonic surge]

is control the dream still bugged?

is there still a need for the swapping talents between each pull?

[delicate perch]

[sonic surge]

ill take that as a yes

[delicate perch]

[sonic surge]

use your words friend

[delicate perch]

[sonic surge]

[verbal osprey]

So it looks like i did shit dps

[delicate perch]

(yes it's bugged why would they fix boomkin)

[delicate perch]

maybe if you ask @lofty depot nicely he'll roast it for you

[verbal osprey]

@lofty depot can u roast me kind sir ?

[pallid bay]

they've said they wont fix basically

[sonic surge]

at this point can they just make boomie open source so we can push fixes ourselves

[delicate perch]

I don't want them to fix it

idiot paladin though

[final schooner]

Is it good to sim mdt routes on druid ? or do we just sim 1 target 5 min -> multiple targets 5 min ?

[quiet drift]

Yes is good

[final schooner]

mmh

weird because it tells me to use a 704 sac over a 710 signet

Iirc sac is kinda bad for balance druids and signet is rly good

[delicate perch]

u can use 2 trinkets

[final schooner]

Ye lol

Azhiccaran Parapodia is the other one

[delicate perch]

have you read what parapodia does

[final schooner]

Chance to summon mites that will deal aoe dmg and increase your main statt " int " yes ?

Dont see what that has to do with sac being better then signet

[delicate perch]

egg does the same thing

on use can be better in m+ because you can get "more" damage when you want it

certain pulls/bosses etc

[final schooner]

Ye i mean by themself they are kinda good ye

Was just confused why on "bloodmallet" Signet 710 sims 1% better then Sac 704 In 5 targets, and 3% better in ST.

Yet sac sims better for me in a mdt sim then Signet

[jaunty blaze]

because bloodmallet is garbage and you shouldnt look at it

[final schooner]

i see

Good to know

[jaunty blaze]

its irrelevant data that doesnt tell you anything about your own character

[limpid grotto]

that mog is something

[ebon sail]

Would anyone be willing to please roast my Fract HC WCL? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bDM86yTKQaA3VHht?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=25

Please ignore the earlier fights, I stupidly forgot to use my on-use trinket and my talents were wrong for DH fight.

I feel like I'm not taking full opportunity of Dryad duration.

[jaunty blaze]

you pretty much play your cds like you would last season

opener and cd usage has changed quite a bit

you should maybe check the dreamgrove guide and read up on that first

later in the fight you just permanently keep pressing sunfire and moonfire for some reason there shouldnt be that much movement required to warrant doing that all the time

you should always be pooling ap in case of needing to move so you can send starsurges while moving

wild charging towards the location you need to drop/break walls should be enough

and after you can just waddle back to the safezone

[hoary torrent]

You're firing off way too many Starfire's and your opener is quite wrong, CA>SS>SS>Trent's, 2nd CA with your 2 empowered SS to reset your BOAT window, look at top logs and copy their opener

[jaunty blaze]

for this fight with a bit over 5 minutes length you would want to do double ca for opener into single ca at about 2 minutes ish and then another double ca at around 4:45

[trail dune]

Wdym It's besutiful

[ebon sail]

Thanks. I had thought that I was only Starfiring to get myself back into solar eclipse but perhaps i accidently went into lunar and then had to play it out.

[frigid yoke]

Sorry to ask but is there anny sims with the new buff. I can find the hunter one but not for boomy

[delicate perch]

You can sim with hotfixes applied by adding ptr=1 to raidbots expert mode header using latest SimC Version. from the pins

(you can sim your own buff )

[frigid yoke]

Yes but i wondered if theres the same page like for the hunter one but thanks nonetheles

[delicate perch]

did you perhaps read the pins?

[ebon sail]

Sorry, how do I see the cast sequence on WCL for an individual player?

[jaunty blaze]

imagine you had read my essay

[delicate perch]

select player > casts > timeline

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-reading-allat-gif-11216013967469576578

[ebon sail]

Thank you.

[jaunty blaze]

indeed

[rigid kraken]

Anyone have a soothe WA? All the ones I’ve tried aren’t working

[jaunty blaze]

what do you need a wa for

[rigid kraken]

Something that shows when something needs to be soothed. Like for instance the multiple tactician pulls in DB. I want something more than the small debuff on the bar to make it easier to track

[jaunty blaze]

plater can do that

[rigid kraken]

Do you know what settings? I tried to change it but it didn’t do anything.

[jaunty blaze]

dont ask me how to set it up idk sorry, i use jundies plater profile and it highlights things i can soothe

[quiet drift]

I think plater defaults to show effects you can remove

[faint yacht]

It shows on the mob plater bar, buffs and debuffs are already separated; otherwise, you can can go to buff special section, set on manual, and you choose which buffs and debuffs, dispellable from you or not, you wanna see. They will be tracked separately, and in this way you can choose also which auras you wanna see on enemy bar. You must enter the name or the spell ID manually btw.

[sweet igloo]

Is 723 lilly better than 710 araz?

[silk shard]

sim it for your character

[scenic mist]

@pseudo merlin how u doin'

[digital berry]

haven't we established that ca ss ss trees convoke is not the optimal way of playing the double opener?

[elder remnant]

@pseudo merlin how u doin’

[maiden pasture]

not been established as fact rlly

[quiet drift]

huh

[maiden pasture]

just clankers with his 1min sims makes it look okay

[pseudo merlin]

the fuck am I getting tagged twice for

Holy shit and it's by an islander and a french

[pseudo merlin]

wait wtf is this lmao

[pseudo merlin]

im good qt how are you

[maiden pasture]

have u never seen

the talent swap weakaura

xd

[pseudo merlin]

what

[maiden pasture]

theres a control of the dream bug

where u need to talent swap

someone made it choose a random DG chatter every time it pops up

[pseudo merlin]

hahahahaha

nice

[stone ledge]

Lemme get this version lol

[digital berry]

last i heard about it clankz and arctic were talking about some apl pushes to implement it, my bad

maybe i misunderstood

[maiden pasture]

idk i only saw some 1min sims showing its a bit better, nothing else more

[limpid grotto]

So what’s the optimal opener if not for that

That’s what dwilkz does

I was kinda just following the goat

[pearl linden]

What belt thing do we go

Crit one?

[maiden pasture]

sim

[hybrid garden]

So what is the best opened? I see ppl doing this one

And why?

[covert coyote]

wrath wrath starfire moonfire sunfire ca trees hearth log into ele sham

[stone ledge]

Quit leaking tettles sequence macro

[ionic oak]

Lol bruh

[wicked shuttle]

It’s a good one

[ionic oak]

Tettles didnt say it wasnt true. Its over

[wicked shuttle]

Dying on cd bc you can’t live anything

Very frustrating

[normal pilot]

have you tried bear form

[stone ledge]

Brother ew

[wicked shuttle]

• Do Damage
• Live boss

Pick 1

[stone ledge]

There is a 3rd option

[stone ledge]

-spam your call for external keybind every 20 seconds

[mighty mica]

ew

[hybrid garden]

Really wish they’d shift just a bit of survivability out of bear form

[scenic mist]

tf i dont even get to have an answer

i asked first

[stone ledge]

Honestly just let us cast survival instincts in moonkin for ap

[undone grove]

Best they can do is give you 4.7% more ST damage

[wicked shuttle]

No. The real solution is make all healers weaker, remove half the defensives in the game, and slow down damage intake

[scenic mist]

moonkin canonically have no survival instinct

or they'd play another spec

[hybrid garden]

If we had any sense of self preservation we’d all just spec swap 🙃

[wicked shuttle]

As somebody with a house cat. I’d trust a bird to have better survival instincts than a cat

[hybrid garden]

I maintain we are still being punished for venthyr boomy. Another couples years our punishment will be over

[pseudo merlin]

🥖

[scenic mist]

the bird in question is flying mach4 into your window tho

[pseudo merlin]

I have had birds

[scenic mist]

i'll take it

[pseudo merlin]

Birds definitely do not have better survival instincts than cats

That's why cats have SI and birds do not

[lucid olive]

I've had pet rats and those guys survive anything

That's why warlock is OP

[mighty mica]

jailed 😔

[pseudo merlin]

What's the difference between a rat and a mini gamer

[hybrid garden]

My cat has no survival instincts. Frequently throttled by the baby

[lucid olive]

The rats are cute

[pseudo merlin]

Not quite where I was going with that but I'll take it

[lucid olive]

Can't tell me this guy wasn't cute

[pseudo merlin]

ok that's pretty cute

[scenic mist]

crippled little ratas do snitch to the DEA, minigamers dont

[lucid olive]

Is that a breaking bad reference

[scenic mist]

it is

and you cant even be mad since you got it

checkmated

[covert coyote]

just found this screenshot from legion prepatch, life used to be so simple

[lofty depot]

well its not logged, so cant roast

[lucid olive]

Stellar Drift how I've missed you

[lofty depot]

probably terrible tho

[jaunty blaze]

stellar drift my beloved

[lofty depot]

play mage can do both

#moonkinmonthly

[scenic mist]

Dude
Saying this when there is displacer beast in the pic is insane

[lucid olive]

idk what a displacer beast is

[scenic mist]

By far the best thing we ever had and the worst removal any class ever suffered

[lofty depot]

turned u into a cat and blinked u

[scenic mist]

We had a blink

[lucid olive]

so its just soulshape

[scenic mist]

Instant

Gave you additional ms

Short cd

The ultimate press

Blinking over Mar’Gok sticky rings

What a feel that was

[misty glade]

Displacer beast was amazing

[pallid bay]

NB as last node is diabolical

[lofty depot]

blessing of the ancients

[scenic mist]

Stellar flare competing with incarn

[lofty depot]

nb was different back then

bota was

[proven swallow]

When should one run grove’s inspiration vs potent enchantments?

[pallid bay]

bless dn

[wicked shuttle]

Ya that NB was an auto take

[lofty depot]

fight time dependent

[proven swallow]

Roger roger

[normal pilot]

bota was the best

pisskins were the real druids

[lofty depot]

so true

so real

changing to anshe during intermissions for frees asp

lock me in

imagine dragon riding and getting free asp on dimmy then swapping to do more damage after. big fun uhhh decision making

[scenic mist]

i mean

current NB does this right ?

[lofty depot]

u moved the blessing

its uhh sotf and nb.

[thorn vault]

have 0 verse other than from motw wild bad?

[lofty depot]

ye

[thorn vault]

that could explain why my damage sucks

[lofty depot]

its not likely that thats a big problem

ur probably playing wrong

feel free to post a log and i will fix all ur problem

[fading falcon]

Hey guys, I know we're in a bad spot, but I feel like my damage is crazy low for my ilvl. Can someone look over these logs and tell me what I can do better? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TnJ4KVryAgL8FMPZ?fight=10&type=damage-done

Got benched during this raid. I think my stats are WAY bad, but I honestly don't know what to do better rotationaly or cooldown wise

Name is "Arcane"

[sudden flame]

are you aware you are only running 3 tier pieces?

[lofty depot]

curious choice

when we dont own a staff

[hallow inlet]

let him cook

[lofty depot]

crafted hands and shoulders

[silk shard]

crafted hands and shoulders definitely overcooked, but maybe the staff was just what was available

[lofty depot]

weapon is hte biggest upgrade u get all season

[silk shard]

oh i see what you mean

yeah if no weapon it should have been priority over the other crafted pieces

[lofty depot]

either chose to craft a hands/ shoulders this week

and had a 697 staff

but crafting both means u dont ahve tier in either

and wasted a spark

[silk shard]

[lofty depot]

granted u dont have many hero pieces and no myth pieces so the use of gilded on might be w.e.

[warm atlas]

Heroic void dagger +crafted offhand with ascendance + crafted bracers. Is that better than a mythic 2handed staff with haste/ crit?

[lofty depot]

still point out that ur doing it

[lofty depot]

well u can have crafted bracers now with 2h

[maiden pasture]

wait this is @ionic surge 's weapon

[lofty depot]

but oh + kris is better yes

doesnt relaly matter if u cant get kris to drop

u craft staff week 2

then craft OH later when sparks dont matter and u get myth kris

[warm atlas]

Casual guild so I'll never get a mythic Kris

[lofty depot]

ok so craft staff

[warm atlas]

🙁 but I want the Kris haha any idea how much diff it makes?

[lofty depot]

idk sim it

like 1% or some shit

[ionic surge]

na mine is worse

[lofty depot]

ok rotational things

moonfire before ca

trees are slow

until u get new tier set u dont do the ca stuff here

vigil likely doesnt do what u think it does

macro it to CA and stop thinking about it

[dense steeple]

Oh no he been using it as a defensive

[lofty depot]

u dont use CA at 120 here because u wont have it for convoke

i wonder if we show the amount of people sending CA when it comes up at 120ish to blizzard if they u know delete whirling

hm

"its too hard for the uninformed to make good decisions when they play whirling and convoke"

[jaunty blaze]

pretty true ngl

[lofty depot]

need to prepare better for movement

then again u went into lunar on 2t (more fun hey blizzard we should get rid of eclipse cuz u can go into the wrong one for the situation

ayo saved cds for amp

big gamer

outside of cd usage

u do this thing that most new boomkins do where u build full to spend full

which is fin at the start of eclipse when u want to stack starlord

but u shouldnt be full spending all ur asp once done

its bad for movement globals and its bad for pooling for the next eclipse

[sturdy apex]

hey guys, why is it sometimes that i have 2 stacks of Dreamstate after a wipe and sometimes dont?

[lofty depot]

when u died with said buff up

it then gets removed

[sturdy apex]

so i cant do anything against it

bad luck is bad luck i guess

[lofty depot]

some of use cancel dreamstate on opener

so ur always consistent

[drifting nova]

whsy stellar flare picked smh

[lofty depot]

good spell innit

[stone ledge]

Wasn’t that a banger take here til recently or is it in and out a lot

[scenic mist]

i didnt mind stellar flare

[lofty depot]

well back then it used one of the empowered

[loud kettle]

Classic players hate stellar flare

[lofty depot]

well i supposed it changed multiple times

but nonetheless

[tame dome]

why do talents have to be so badly balanced 🙁 wtb less troll choice

[covert coyote]

no idea this was a shitter herbing alt at the time

[lofty depot]

idk what ur doing

but looks like a funny sim

[tame dome]

why do you say that?

[lofty depot]

cuz it looks funny

[scenic mist]

"lunar raid"

"lunar raid" + 472k dps
extra

[tame dome]

yeh lunar has consistently simmed highest for me throughout this tier

[lofty depot]

yea link the sim

[scenic mist]

as in EC > kotg ?

[tame dome]

yes

[scenic mist]

another forbidden jutsu i'm sure

[tame dome]

but really the point is

[scenic mist]

can you link your sims ?

[tame dome]

why is convoke such a huge damage gain ;_;

[maiden pasture]

no on use trinket, full haste mastery gear, wrong ST build for keeper

[stone ledge]

Yeah ur stats are giga wrong for kotg

[covert coyote]

because of the ~~ravenous ~~4 piece window

[lofty depot]

why do u not have a primary gem

[tame dome]

man ain't got much choice about that 😄 a couple of crafted items, to be fair, but hard to significantly change stats with that

[maiden pasture]

go farm better rings and neck

[tame dome]

I'll sim it, just to be sure

[maiden pasture]

craft crit mast weap instead of haste mast

[lofty depot]

well u dont have anything selected

need to check things

u likely pressed some gems and didnt clikc anything

[maiden pasture]

and enjoy the 2 hour sim

[lofty depot]

cuz gemming full vers mastery is how that happens

[tame dome]

I simmed the gems recently and vers came out top for m+

[lofty depot]

yea but u did what i just said

cuz u have no prime gem

[tame dome]

didn't sim int one though to be fair

[lofty depot]

yea

also u crafted belt

when disc belt is better for a while

but yea, go farm some shit

double passive yucky

[tame dome]

didn't have another belt tho

[lofty depot]

u have DISC belt

[scenic mist]

no he is balance

duh

keep your focus pls

[tame dome]

yeah but I mean I didn't have one for when it gets nerfed, and also it was the only slot stopping me getting the runed achievement 😄

[lofty depot]

nice

[dense steeple]

[lofty depot]

lol thats a problem for 1 month from now

[scenic mist]

[median kite]

How much haste is too much for ST? I feel like I'm running way too high

[lofty depot]

what ever the sim says is too much

[scenic mist]

1 haste

[small tusk]

wowhead says you can replace the DISC belt around ilvl 710 belt

[lofty depot]

funny sim stops me at 3500

[scenic mist]

what does the sim say ?

[small tusk]

Not looking at the sim idk

[lofty depot]

ok, so if u can save the gilded to use on better slots

[scenic mist]

Jacha-chacha-chacha-chow! Chacha-chacha-chacha-chow

[lofty depot]

and can craft a 704 bracer with the enchanted runed crest u have from the campaign

[small tusk]

cool

[tame dome]

how would yoou change the build for KoTG? Using the build single target from wowhead my sim goes down

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fqfMfspUB2k5oTBQ9ygoiu

also most just wont play ec if its 0.5% better in raid

cuz its terrible to play

[maiden pasture]

take the onefrom the compendium

[scenic mist]

no way Golem is his actual name

[tame dome]

huh I don't have that trinket

[tame dome]

why lol

[lofty depot]

correct

[lofty depot]

i simmed the on use trinkets

[tame dome]

that's me

[scenic mist]

points for owning it i guess

[tame dome]

I checked them and those are the same as the wowhead ones - I sim less

[tame dome]

I also have a BM hunter called Sheep

[scenic mist]

and a mage called frozentrap ?

[dense steeple]

The mages name is meatman

[tawdry oak]

the echo on araz

[tame dome]

I object to this slander

[tawdry oak]

ignore it or cast starfall?

dot it and let the others cleave it?

[dense steeple]

It has to die

[scenic mist]

on araz you play kindling, and when playing kindling you starfall on 2 targets anyway

so dot -> starfall + focus

[lofty depot]

cleave or st bos

i cleaved and stood between it and boss

can just slam st on boss tho

[pliant echo]

w/ the buffs / nerfs to EC, which spec will be preferable in raid now?

[tame dome]

These guys will all say KoTG

[scenic mist]

kotg was ahead, now it's even more ahead

[tame dome]

but the real bosses will use EC like me

[scenic mist]

EC has very little pertinence in ST

• huge downsides

[tame dome]

nah to be fair my favourite build is a kotg build but without convoke

just wish it did more dam

[pliant echo]

yea i like kotg a lot better, EC feels bad to me. i dunno why. Also, i really like the trees and dryads

oh and the lil faerie dragon

[lofty depot]

keeper is always preferred

[pliant echo]

but based on archon.gg (what WClogs referred me to), the 5% buff will move it up form 5th worst hero spec in the game to 7th worst in the game

[lofty depot]

ok