balance

[crude void]

link raider.io and or logs thanks

[crisp scaffold]

Honestly skill issue ,my friend is boomie ,we did a 10 EDA and he was in last season gear ,684 ilvl and finished with 7mil overall

[pallid solar]

apologies if it could get missunderstood

[lavish wedge]

@bold heart, one of the best boomies rerolled feral, @wicked shuttle one of the best and most knowledgable boomies is rerolling from boomie, YES, BOOMIES ARE PERFECTLY FINE HAHAA

[cinder flume]

np

[lucid olive]

tettles "one of the best and most knowledgeable"

[drifting nova]

yeah but it's a minigame

[astral surge]

i mean its always been, its just so boring its a tier -W for me right now

[lucid olive]

bait used to be believable

[pallid solar]

he rerolled for world first, which is mythic raiding, not m+

[dreamy locust]

For raid

nincompoop

[drifting nova]

opposite of me, only played kotg for like 2hours total since release

[crude void]

And he is still doing +18s as feral

[lavish wedge]

alright, i might have given him a bit too much credit there, but still, he's good

[dreamy locust]

Because he has a feral weapon

holy moly you are smart

[maiden pasture]

😭

[dry sonnet]

lets shut the discord down anyway. its not enough

kekw

[gloomy nexus]

And if I look at dmg logs from M+ this should be more than 2% buff even in keys. Starfire and Boundless Moonlight are around 30% of our dmg in keys. So its more like a 3% buff right?

[west coral]

theres some weirdos in here shut it down anyways

[dry sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[real flax]

agree

close the discord

[dreamy locust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/emerald-dream/dusterz
lets see yours

[frosty slate]

i hope they delete EC, fucking dogshit boring hero talent

[pallid solar]

top 1 feral vs top 1 boomie, when again as dusty said krona just has feral weapon atm

[hushed crescent]

nice feral logs

[faint slate]

Stay feral😂

[crude void]

mate you linked feral raid logs as an argument for boomkin being good in M+?

[pallid solar]

the screenshoots where for u, chat scrolled and replied to other person

[drifting nova]

you afk or

[real flax]

feral kekw

[celest geode]

Wait do we do KOTG for ST in Raid?

[dreamy locust]

I play feral in RAID wow guys

[gleaming kiln]

So play dh

[dreamy locust]

you are so smart

[drifting nova]

so you're a tourist

[dreamy locust]

I talked about boomy is good in keys

[real flax]

lmaooo

[drifting nova]

[dreamy locust]

Played feral in raid, GG

[lavish wedge]

your 2 keys as boomie are 10s, and your overal is below 4m? 😄 What are you linking?

[cinder flume]

delete ec, delete eclipse. 🙂

[dreamy locust]

People who 6/8 heroic typing about boomy bad in m+

[hushed crescent]

boomy in keys

[drifting nova]

listen bub

I'm 2/8hc

[hushed crescent]

for dusty

[dreamy locust]

I have a heroic boomy weapon guys, literal genius level players

[pallid solar]

guys i dont understand the malding, am 8/8 lfr with my boomie and I get top 1 dps every boss

[gleaming kiln]

You dont need raids for dat lol u are a boomer

[pallid solar]

XDDDDD

[drifting nova]

you managed dimensisus on lfr? holy god gamer

[pallid bay]

u're getting turbobaited by a bunch of whitenames

[tropic badge]

pre nerf too

[drifting nova]

said the white name

[merry ibex]

Man I genuinely thought boomkin was in a bad enough spot that it would only get buffs. I guess i just have zero grasp on the game at all from blizzards pov. I mean I kinda thought maybe they would buff only st or just buff the keeper tree. This buff is...not what I was hoping for.

[pallid solar]

can we actually talk about this instead of buffs/nerfs? pple getting tped to platforms instead of dragonriding so I can lfr on my alts when

[drifting nova]

no, you do

[pallid bay]

this is not a gotcha

[drifting nova]

it's just blizzard bad

[karmic tangle]

This boomie change is tearing this discord apart smh

[dreamy locust]

They never buff the bottom to be competitive with the top

They just give placebos

[frosty slate]

they should do this thing again but nerf aoe more, fuck the minigame

[faint slate]

Bragging when
You are 6m is kinda a joke and 2. Og all ppl with 0raid bosses giga outpreform you in keys

[drifting nova]

just divide minigame and raid

[smoky prawn]

it feels like ret pally disc in here now

[drifting nova]

like pvp was years ago

[magic hound]

What has changed guys??can someone explain plee?

[gleaming kiln]

So BM pump

[lucid olive]

crazy that when they aura buffed us in Undermine the aura was at 9x and now its on 33x

[dreamy locust]

Please DM in native tongue no understandy

[drifting nova]

translation?

[pallid solar]

pinned message is the real summary, pple will just reply with copium

[lofty depot]

they dont know how to fix our dogshit spec

[warm valley]

If you dont get any stacks [which can and will happen] this makes the set look even worse, they keep nerfing the set for some reason

[pallid solar]

they dont know how to fix any spec tbh

[lofty depot]

clueless

[lavish wedge]

And honestly, who cares about raiding, it's such a sleeper activity, more people get Cutting edge than title, hell, more people get CE than the top 1% of m+ players

[pallid solar]

I still remember mage being tankier than tank in shadowlands and they nerfed damage

[lofty depot]

look at mage ever

[drifting nova]

just put a class council in the game, with poll booths

[pallid solar]

XDDDDD

[craggy ginkgo]

Guys can anyone summarize if changes good or bad? I’m dumb

[lofty depot]

look at destro

[smoky prawn]

just be happy we finally got some buffs, this wont change the stat that we cannot compete with aoe burst classes on bosses like araz 😄

[cinder flume]

let people enjoy what they enjoy

[real flax]

https://tenor.com/view/beggar-gif-840336760185684178

[ornate pendant]

pins

[smoky prawn]

we need talent changes

[pallid solar]

changes good, pple wants more, thats the summary

[smoky prawn]

and class tuning changes

not buffs

[molten sandal]

Changes good, but not good enough. Kinda like a cheap Oreo knockoff

[cinder flume]

yes, not happening until midnight 🙂

[drifting nova]

cheap oreo better than og, same as jaffa cakes ngl

[craggy sonnet]

fools just put 0 effort into making meaningful changes post season start

maybe .5 patch

[lavish wedge]

That's alright, but saying boomie is good in m+, because they don't main m+ is a kind of.. dumb

[drifting nova]

woah there

[craggy ginkgo]

Thanks guys! It’s something at least

[drifting nova]

dont limit this to post season

that's too generous

[gleaming kiln]

The boomkin could be better, but it's one of the seasons that I remember where there is so much diversity of classes making high keys.

[pallid solar]

boomie is good in m+, said by MDI players, are u btter than them?

[woven flint]

this might be a real stupid question , when i look at the pinned message it says its a 4.7 % increase in st but how is that possible when the buff was a flat 5 % ?

[cinder flume]

sure

[drifting nova]

the last patch always has high diversity? it's a meme patch

[storm frigate]

nice round number

[smoky prawn]

our constant aoe is fine, we just dont have any burst aoe outside of ec for which is required for most bosses in the current raid

[gleaming kiln]

Prob

[lavish wedge]

Oh? which ones? Also, why is none of the usual top groups running a boomie?

[tiny ridge]

shit class

[dreamy locust]

https://i.imgur.com/xMHjnAK.png

+17 or +18 I forget

if you think boomy bad, like I said

its a skill issue

(In M+)

[smoky prawn]

boomie is good in high m+

[drifting nova]

M I N I G A M E

[smoky prawn]

will always be

[pallid solar]

good is different from turbo tier SSSSS class, brother wake up

[drifting nova]

boomie is good for like 0.1% of the playerbase

outstanding work

[craggy sonnet]

because a) its rarely the actual number in the notes (since its rounded to usually result in an even number for the aura modifier) and b) some stuff may not be included in the spec aura

[gleaming kiln]

Jpc have 60 years old u cant comparate

[earnest barn]

Wtf are these EC nerfs

[cinder flume]

Now pick a boss fight and look at dmg, or look at a pack that doesn't live long enough at least arcane and dk are doing funnel, balance is there for motw and pad aoe dmg...

[earnest barn]

Wtf are they smoking

[dreamy locust]

DK doing funnel, legit clueless

[tidal jolt]

At least we had stix mythic, they can never take that away from us

[cinder flume]

funnel, prio, whatever, it does a bunch more st than we could ever dream

[pallid solar]

whats ur peak IO? its clear u never played m+, cause class played are not only based in the class itself, it depends on comps also, so if u will get a boomie, u need to be sure u will get enough kicks, also prio target is really meaningful this season, and yeah boomie does not have real prio dmg, but it does have good overall performance

[tiny ridge]

one more game dome with no trinket

[real flax]

redemption arch

[lucid olive]

@teal sphinx @vital hound @delicate perch

[covert coyote]

next one

[dreamy locust]

Goalposts moving, now because boomy doesnt do funnel its bad

[lofty depot]

bro is topping the meter

[hushed crescent]

so boomy is good

[tiny ridge]

what next one my eyes are red from playing this shit game

[tiny ridge]

no is not

first boss i was bellow tank

[crude void]

There are currently 3 people in the TOP 100 highest keys who are playing balance

[tiny ridge]

he nuke the ads

[covert coyote]

just do 1 more it'll drop next time

[warm atlas]

Yes! We need more Eclipse haters.

[gleaming kiln]

And this season dont need dh grip+beam

[drifting nova]

you think you do but you dont

[woven flint]

o ty i was wondeirng that solid explanation sry for the quesiton

[tiny ridge]

ye ye

lock got the trinket but he dont want to give me and is not even bis for him..

[dreamy locust]

Most of the good players also raid

[pallid solar]

the spanish team that has played several times the MDI talked about how, with a slight ST buff for boomie, it could make it into several mdi comps, and before anyone tries to drop sanguino jokes, those guys were 1 round away from winning echo in their peak, so yeah I kinda trust their theorycrafting

[compact holly]

have the patch notes been published here already=?

[pallid solar]

[smoky prawn]

guys like many ppl said, the buff wont change shit, the class is still going to be ass its a monumental issue xD

[dreamy locust]

And if you taking raiding serious this tier as druid, you should prolly have been feral

[pallid solar]

might change in m+

[tiny ridge]

we getting buff?

[wispy mural]

kinda

[compact holly]

5% damage and nerfs in the tier

[pallid solar]

cause also pple mentioning feral, but rn feral or boomie picks are just based on pcomp or mcomp

[wispy mural]

flat 5%, but elune chosen nerfed

[lavish wedge]

Anything is good for anyone below 17s, doesn't mean it's generally good. Also 1 example of a good boomie overal doesn't mean it's good.
Boomies in m+ are one of the squishiest classes
Boomie has no prio damage, when comps are mostly about it, dungeons are really heavy on prio damage needed,
Thank you for your question, timing 17s and 18 were hard last season, when boomie was actually good
Based on Kira and Yoda, they are alright at best

[smoky prawn]

ye but i wanna be good in raid not m+ as it was always decent or better in m+

[sacred whale]

i guess its a new meme tonight or?

Is Boomie back xD

hahaha

[drifting nova]

way too much yappanese in here tonight holy

[dreamy locust]

Boomys defensiveness and no funnel hasnt changed since last season

[lucid olive]

No prio damage

[ripe bronze]

Someone actually just said boomie has no prio

[teal sphinx]

[ripe bronze]

What am I reading

[obsidian tapir]

before and after

kinda shitty I guesss

[drifting nova]

shut it down

[tiny ridge]

where can i read the buffs?

[wispy mural]

wowhead has them

[dreamy locust]

Guy doesnt know EC starfires are big boom, because he doesnt play the game or is hardlocked to 5's

[warm atlas]

"buffs" 😄

[lucid olive]

[drifting nova]

it's not 80?

[smoky prawn]

its just like last season, were not gonna be on top of the pack just gonna be in the middle ish after those buffs in raid

[pallid solar]

its squishy, still playable if the comp will be dk - mage, since the externals can go to boomie, same as always

[lucid olive]

it used to be 40..

[wispy mural]

it's a buff if you're running trees for some reason

[pallid solar]

u just cant take 3 squishy dps

[lofty depot]

middle ish is definitely a thought of all time

[lucid olive]

Moonkin being squishy in m+ is overrated

[willow tide]

The new changes were a nerf or buff lol

[lucid olive]

pin

[lofty depot]

read the pin

[dreamy locust]

Its just rot fights

[lucid olive]

arctic should change ur name now

[drifting nova]

what we really need is a motw buff

none of the top minigame teams have a druid

[dreamy locust]

If its big hit fights, bear form crazymode

[lucid olive]

what fights are rot in m+

[smoky prawn]

ye i wish we had those shadowlands times back, but i think there are some guys at blizz that dont like boomie to be at the top in raid

[lofty depot]

true

[ornate pendant]

fwick was going to say change it to at pin

[lucid olive]

biggest rot fight last season was Candle King and people still played chicken for that key

[ornate pendant]

but you did it fast

[drifting nova]

motw should be a nice round 5%

[tiny ridge]

wtf we even getting nerfed

[lofty depot]

...

[smoky prawn]

its a nerf

close down the disc

[real flax]

read the pin

[pallid solar]

how nerf

[ebon vigil]

yo arctic where can I read the changes

[bitter panther]

~ is a negative sign confirmed

[tiny ridge]

2% nothing

[ebon vigil]

xdd

[coarse grove]

Surely there are more buffs coming right? Right?

[pallid solar]

still not a nerf?

[lofty depot]

on wowhead like normal

[drifting nova]

will noxxic have these updates?

[woven flint]

Ngl was hoping for 4set buff to have half of value how it was on ptr to help with burst

[formal sable]

Bring back BFA boomy

[smoky prawn]

we are just gigashit outside of burst on kotg feels like fire mage

[lofty depot]

yea surge 8t

lock in

[tiny ridge]

looks like is time to play evoker

[lofty depot]

it feels nothing like firemage

[smoky prawn]

legion boomie was fire

[lofty depot]

gotta be trolling

[pallid solar]

remix soon

XDDD

[real flax]

season 1 shadowlands pre-nerfs

[willow tide]

They increased all skills by 5% but nerfed the 2-piece tier and the Chosen of Elune. That 5% increase is good because I didn't understand what Blizzard did.

[smoky prawn]

old fire mage felt like bot gameplay out of combust

[dreamy locust]

Cmon now dont make me think, swampface, the other guy, etc, yada yada

[wild dune]

say this to any healer

[sudden flame]

M+ers

[smoky prawn]

but i heard it wasnt that good

[tiny ridge]

evoker buff is good?

[stone ledge]

Swampface

[lavish wedge]

Currently over 60% of healers in high keys are resto shams, which has close to 0 externals, idk, i’ll still think they’re in a bad spot, you’ll keep saying they’re good, let’s agree to disagree. They should’ve made it so starfall is our top damage in keys, spenders should’ve been buffed, but naaah

[harsh herald]

He means he doesn't like that we do big damage inside CDs and not so much out of CDs

Like every single spec in the game

[dry compass]

imagine looking at this and going "5% oughtta fix that but we better nerf EC just in case"

[drifting nova]

funny totem be like

[pallid solar]

nah it will be ass prolly, just mentioned it cause u said legion, is not even classic legion so boomie will have same issues xD

[real flax]

the ec nerf is for m+ reasons nothing to do with raid

[smoky prawn]

ye prolly

[dreamy locust]

Goalposts keep moving, now its to do with restosham, and our dmg comes from bad source

[smoky prawn]

they are just scared as always to make boomie gigabroken in m+ again

[pallid solar]

u just want ur class to be turbo broken SSS, I wont agree to disagree, u have like 60% of classes peaking less io than boomie, and u pretend to make me consider boomie not GOOD in m+ (no one said broken)

there is no reason to "agree to disagree", am talking facts and data, u talking dreams

and hopes

[lofty depot]

@teal sphinx another good one

[dreamy locust]

I did a +6 and lost to DK, boomy bad

confirmed

[lucid olive]

that guys a pasta machine

https://tenor.com/view/laminer-pasta-pasta-maker-tool-gif-16918044

[tiny ridge]

dks still broken no one touch them

[cinder flume]

it makes no sense for spenders to do less dmg than builders. Devs know that, just target cap starfall at this point idk

[pallid solar]

[lofty depot]

yea cuz target capping starfall will definitely make it more than starfire

[dreamy locust]

Yeah DK's just need their raid buff and defensives nerfed

[edgy juniper]

if alot of the streamers, guilds, people who talk publicly on platforms say stuff like, the balance has been great, why are discord servers closing

[tiny ridge]

it is bad

[pallid solar]

also my newcomer friernd cant peak dps as DK, where can I ask for DK buffs?

[dreamy locust]

ubad

[ebon vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[hushed crescent]

play the right spec

[lucid olive]

yeah thats the new popular take from the peanut brain society

[pallid solar]

will tell him to play DK balance

[lofty depot]

because u can say things about 90% of classes and be mostly correct

[pallid solar]

since it got buffed

[lavish wedge]

Damage based on data? bad, bottom third
Tankiness based on data? bad
One of the most deaths in keys? yes
Not ideal damage profile for higher keys? check

Any data i've sent got invalidated saying they must be manipulated
/shrug

[lofty depot]

really

tragic brain rot

[tiny ridge]

shit class

[hushed crescent]

just /shrug

[olive girder]

Hitting spenders should feel like
It’s impactful

[dreamy locust]

Its been like multiple seasons of bring 2 aoe classes and a 3rd aoe class or 1 funnel class

[formal sable]

Pls stfu no one wants target caps for any class

[tawny nest]

Didnt they like massively rebalance the damage of spenders vs builders going into this expansion? I coulda sworn I remember Starsurge and Starfall got big nerfs and Wrath and Starfire got buffed and made us super backwards at the beginning of S1.
They def need to revert that imo

[lucid olive]

it does feel impactful

[dreamy locust]

I kinda like some classes having, idk hate if we want

[lucid olive]

you press spenders so you can press Starfire again

really cool gameplay

[smoky prawn]

only after double CA as Kotg in a dmg amp

[lavish wedge]

I know? How does that justify anything

[dreamy locust]

I liked playing fury warrior and gapping in small target counts, that was cool in my eyes

[merry ibex]

Hi all !!

[real flax]

the design is done by people who hates balance that's it

[dreamy locust]

You said their damage profile isn't useful in high keys, xd?

[merry ibex]

I’m a frost mage who is now a balance Druid 😍😍

[formal sable]

And you’ll never see fury meta cause of it

[lofty depot]

chosing the lower spec is tough

pray for u

[ebon vigil]

welcome to the shitshow

[lucid olive]

AHHHHHHH MINIGAMERS TALKING

[dreamy locust]

I mean fury has been meta in phys comps,

People cry about meta while watching from the outside

[lavish wedge]

I said not ideal! Those 2 sentences have some differences in them

[tiny tendon]

when you have to shape your entire comp around bringing the fury warrior 😭

[dreamy locust]

Hows it not ideal, Its literally a goated aoe class with good prio damage

[pallid solar]

first screen: u. gg dps based metrics, 20/45 specs
second screen: archon gg tier list, highest tier A class
third screen: peetko's tier list, even before buffs, tier A+
also am sorry to say you mentioned kira's tier list, I dont know if u really follow him, after his tier list his own team was laughing at him cause he did make a turbo bad tier list, even casual was topping the meter with sub and telling him "oh guys look I do tier B class"

[formal sable]

It works in a comp doesn’t make it meta

[lucid olive]

season 1 i pressed starfire in lunar perma, season 2 i pressed starfire in lunar perma, season 3 i'm gonna press starfire in lunar perma

[dreamy locust]

What dmg profile you think boomkin fits

[lucid olive]

woah im so locked in !!

[lucid olive]

POG TIER LISTS

[cinder flume]

if they target cap, i'm thinking it should be implied that the spell won't work as is. it will need changes, and maybe it could do more damage. there's no reason to want to hit 30m overral killing useless mobs that are not important

[lucid olive]

@lament sigil is a known tier list enjoyer

he will love that

[dreamy locust]

I mean meta is literal noob brainrot, If phys comp people were doing keys at the highest level

[pallid solar]

@lavish wedge am sorry if u feel ure one of the worst specs in m+ based on dmg alone, u just gotta press ur keys harder

[dreamy locust]

Its good enough to play

[pallid solar]

cause thats not the reality

looks like a u problem

[torn pebble]

IM NOT META AND IM MAD 😠

[lofty depot]

so fdk and ret can do "useless" damage and look badass but i cant

[dreamy locust]

There was seasons where noone could get within 2 key levels of godcomp, thats not reality right now

[lofty depot]

hm

[tiny ridge]

evoker good

[formal sable]

But I’m saying fury won’t be meta for game and you’re just making up scenarios where it’s good

[lofty depot]

if it adds % to the key, its not useless

[craggy sonnet]

are you on "Latest"?

[lofty depot]

target capping is cringe as fuck. they need to add a cd to that shit and make it giga fuck

[smoky prawn]

guys is ele sham good right now for reroll

[dreamy locust]

I didnt make up a scenario, there was people who proved its good enough to do world first level keys, You can go look at them if you want

[void marsh]

Guys best comp for balance, destro and resto shaman? Prot pala and havoc?

[lofty depot]

yes

[lucid olive]

yes

ele shaman is fun

[lofty depot]

ele didnt get shot

destro didnt get shot

[tiny tendon]

something funny about the 5% raw damage boost to boomkin with counter tuning to EC only resulting in +4.7% to KotG

[lofty depot]

arcane didnt get shot

[lavish wedge]

I'm not really mad or anything, i actually prefer boomie to be at the bottom, since it ruled s1 end of season and most of s2, i just don't agree with the fact that it's a good spec rn, don't really care about boomie itself

[lucid olive]

swap destro with arcane

[void marsh]

Cant, the destro is my mate xD

[willow tide]

Will the grove protector be used now?

[lofty depot]

double funnel surelly

[lament sigil]

Did someone say tier list where’s petko

[tiny ridge]

So we same in keys

[dreamy locust]

You allowed to keep your bad opinion, just dont state it as fact 👍

[iron chasm]

“I actually prefer boomkin to be at the bottom”

HAHAHA

bros rage baiting

[pallid solar]

again, u dont have to agree, it is good if u dont look at it from a biased pov, just as I said not turbo tier S class

[formal sable]

I just wish all these people would re roll so we don’t have to read brain damaging posts on here

[tiny tendon]

every boomkin player is a bottom it's just facts

[void marsh]

Hes not playing diabolist tho, that hero talents have more prio doesnt it?

[pallid solar]

but from turbo tier S to bad, there is a lot of classes in between

[cinder flume]

Idc about that tbh, I know it is a turn down for some people, but I would much rather be like arcane that does slightly lower overral dmg, but is still brought bc of other stuff

[iron chasm]

Speak for yourself buddy

[lucid olive]

idk ask in their discord

[smoky prawn]

can we stop being crybabies, yes we prolly needed more than 5% and yes the EC nerfs suck, but it is what it is. Its not like we need buffs and stuff we need a complete change of it all so we gan get more bursty without playing EC in raid

[tiny tendon]

bottom dps buddy

[dry compass]

You're assuming they actually play boomie in the first place

And aren't just lame trolls

[lofty depot]

just cuz u cap starfall, that wouldnt make boomkin like arcane

what

[iron chasm]

Nailed the delivery then didn’t you

[spice swallow]

do the buffs even save us do i keep leveling mage

[pallid solar]

u would need way too many stuff for that ig, even other mage classes have similar issues, u would need a lot more tankiness or small def cds

[formal sable]

Hahah that’s true my mistake

[void marsh]

True mb

[tiny tendon]

[cinder flume]

I know... it was just a comparison

[void marsh]

We got buffed?!

[charred lynx]

this chat lowkey scares me

[dreamy locust]

If you want to just do M+, mage and boomy both good

[charred lynx]

jesus fuck

[merry ibex]

Are there any good guides I can watch to learn balance Druid as a beginner

[daring gull]

omg aura buff are we so back?

[dreamy locust]

If you want raid or to do top dmg in both, play mage

[iron chasm]

Nah I’m good thanks I’ll keep complaining

[merry ibex]

I saw nagurra is that fine to watch?

[lucid olive]

Wowhead is good for beginners

Icyveins too

[void marsh]

Probably nagura and tettles

[tiny ridge]

Boomkin is shit in st in keys

[lucid olive]

Yes Naguura is also beginner friendly

[lofty depot]

depends what ur doing, youtube krona/dwilkz/naguura

[tiny tendon]

noxxic

[smoky prawn]

just keep watching

[lucid olive]

Tettles doesn't really do guides anymore

[merry ibex]

Kk tysm

[pallid solar]

she used to have good guides, if she keeps doing them I assume theyre still fine

[spice swallow]

im watching this one right now https://youtu.be/oe3wWVsFgNk?si=JYDb-t6hXhR58krh

[warm current]

um, this buff doesn't seem like nearly enough to make up for our shortcomings or am i just reading it wrong?

[dreamy locust]

skill issue trollerdog

[tiny ridge]

Tank do more dmg than boomkin
Bcs tank have better burst aoe

[merry ibex]

that’s not balance 💀

[cinder flume]

more tankiness could be cool, Moonkin form just looks like it should be more tanky, but it is not. (even with armor increase)

[tiny tendon]

it used to be pretty physical tanky but they've gutted that over time

[iron chasm]

Maybe you do tank dps but most of us certainly don’t

[torn pebble]

That would infact be the joke.

[lucid olive]

yeah theres so much physical dmg in the game !!

[pallid solar]

I agree with that, moonkin feels as tanky as human form in pve

[lofty depot]

ur correct
midnight rework surely

[dreamy locust]

Castle nathria had a ton of phys damage, and broken conduit for 20 second auto frenzied regen

[normal vale]

Dafuq im losing dps when i sim with "ptr=1" in expert mode 😄

[tiny ridge]

Ok

[dreamy locust]

That was when it felt "tanky"

[charred lynx]

i'm seeing messages drop one by one

[willow monolith]

BOOMKIN BUFFED AGAIN?

[lofty depot]

post sim

[lucid olive]

same

[lean knoll]

We didnt need to close discorc

[ebon vigil]

nerf inc surely

[iron chasm]

Long time balance Druids are the real ones

[lucid olive]

I'll complain even more when the tourists come and ask for log reviews and they're stinking it up in +18s!!

[dreamy locust]

If you sim M+ build, 1 target patchwerk, I wouldnt be suprised if you lost dmg

[lofty depot]

as they do

[pallid solar]

sounds biased, can you give me ur logs reviews?

[iron chasm]

Mage main tourists

[dreamy locust]

But I didnt check myself

But thats also a useless sim

[iron chasm]

Atleast @lofty depot isn’t a pig mage anymore and has unleashed garyeet on the world

[lofty depot]

type shit

[pallid solar]

if that happens, scream at ur tank and include hearthstone in ur rotation

[real flax]

log review 🔍 🕵️

[tiny ridge]

Ooo

[merry ibex]

https://youtu.be/NE4Qdz4pl_E?si=Jv9oIkjmI-RhMMby

is this still relevant even though it’s 11 months old?

[dreamy locust]

Pull yourself and shadowmeld, tank/heals adapt

[median knoll]

we should shut the discord down more often

[normal vale]

msg u in dms

[iron chasm]

Not with the new tier set
I think gamz has a guide for this patch

[lofty depot]

it will get u the basics

theres some changes to 11.2

[merry ibex]

Kk

[tiny tendon]

it's relevant for elune's chosen still probably

[earnest barn]

Bro just read dreamgrove.gg

[iron chasm]

Elunes chosen could be played by one of those birds that goes up and down

[lucid olive]

For beginners yes

[pallid solar]

yo guys since mage got mentioned, do we have any person close to preheat for druids?

[ebon vigil]

EC goated spec

[pallid solar]

I really wonder, my mage friend always come with full excels and shit man and am like, I want that for my classes

[lucid olive]

If you're completely new I wouldn't read the Dreamgrove website or watch my guide tbh, Naguura is perfectly fine for beginner angle

[signal temple]

Flappy Bird?

[iron chasm]

We just vibe man
All the cookin get done in here

[warm current]

the real question is this buff enough to prevent tettles from switching to ele shaman lol

[lucid olive]

I'm probably gonna make a beginner YT guide for next expansion cause it sounds like a fun challenge and go over the basics, but this expansion is almost over so no point

[empty girder]

Gamz? Or Tettles?

[iron chasm]

We are no where close to Ele shaman

[tiny tendon]

do one specifically for KotG tier opener

[pallid solar]

will check those out tyty

[lucid olive]

close to preheat like physically?

no clue never met the guy

[normal pilot]

you just need to find another gamz on the internet

and sue 'em

that'll get you closer to preheat

[lucid olive]

thats based actually

[tiny tendon]

i totally forgot about that holy shit

[lucid olive]

i didn't get gamz name on discord or twitter

[empty girder]

Lmao

[pallid solar]

XDDDD, no, like e.g, for this season he got an excel with every possible build mentioned for every mage spec, and the overall dps it would do, the prio, the 1 target, 2 target dmg...

[lucid olive]

i'm lawyering up

that sounds like a lot of useless info

[pallid solar]

I loved that but I dont like to paly mage

[hollow robin]

did boomies get buffed in M+

[empty girder]

Sounds like dreamgrove angle to me, that is gamz

[lucid olive]

i'd rather teach you to make your own decisions

[tiny tendon]

it's called let's build up a huge opener and let's go gambling!!!

[tiny ridge]

No

[tiny tendon]

starsurge didn't crit

aw dang it

[tiny ridge]

2% maybe

[pallid solar]

tyty

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-geez-rick-and-morty-morty-this-is-awkward-awkward-gif-854154463001829369

[fading perch]

theyt release anything?

[pallid solar]

"no, 2% maybe"

guys thats a buff come on

[iron chasm]

Yea it’s in the pins

[pallid solar]

stop telling no to the pple cause u guys want more buff

[dreamy locust]

That guy is legit a troll, dont read any of his msg's

[pallid solar]

xDDD

[tiny tendon]

when you lose the 50% chance to do an extra 24 million

[iron chasm]

Just crit ?

Simple stuff really

[tiny ridge]

What am i trolling

[pallid solar]

pop crit flask, starsurge, pop alch chaos flask again

[tiny tendon]

they don't believe me when i say this

[daring gull]

don't worry guys, everyone is gonna get nerfed in the pre patch and be doing 100s of damage

itll definitely be an equal footing then

[dreamy locust]

You lose to tank and equate skill issue with class balance

[pallid bay]

is dusty still getting baited

[iron chasm]

They called thanos mad

[lofty depot]

why would we do that when the spec does zero damage in all specs and talents

[merry ibex]

https://youtu.be/en6Z6Bj_-ao?si=aVRerHuVOHx4eFlL

I just watched this and it was really informative I feel ready wtf

[tiny ridge]

So why on last boss i am first
Explain to me

[pallid solar]

cant say ure wrong

XDDD

[tiny tendon]

do we run astral communion for the bit

[iron chasm]

Just look up a Javier guide

[lofty depot]

legion pog

[iron chasm]

He’s the goat

[lofty depot]

lock in

[lucid olive]

Javier is the greatest to ever do it

[lofty depot]

no

[harsh herald]

Give back pulsar and let it proc my dryad friend

[lucid olive]

Nobody else can release 32 different spec guides in less than a week

[lofty depot]

if we had pulsar right now

keeper would fuck

[lucid olive]

Javier > everyone

[merry ibex]

Idk what legion is I thought it’s a hero spec

[daring gull]

does anyone else miss the 30 second eclipse cycling?

[lofty depot]

but instead its fuck....ing bad

[tiny tendon]

imagine if we had pulsar GODDDDDDDDD

[dreamy locust]

Me forreal

[pallid solar]

its an old expansion

[lofty depot]

its an 8 year old video

can we lock in plz

[dreamy locust]

I cant wait for empowerments

[daring gull]

tbh i think we'd be so back if we got symbiosis and stellar drift back.

[dreamy locust]

I begging you blizzARD

[tiny ridge]

Aaaaa

[merry ibex]

👌

[lucid olive]

wish we got the full moon animation back

[lofty depot]

cant tell blizzard empowerments is better if they dont bring it back in legion remix

tragic really

[plush tangle]

I miss Stellar Drift so much. 😭

[jade drift]

bro what is this

[daring gull]

legion full moon damage would be so sick

[pallid solar]

I think boomie ST too stronk, they should add the cast time to starsurge again and reduce dmg by a 2% at least

[lucid olive]

who cares about dmg

full moon has no visual anymore

thats all that amtters

[daring gull]

wait

[final schooner]

Finally a buff

[daring gull]

actually?

[real flax]

that's fucking sad

[final schooner]

Not enough but ill take it

[lucid olive]

go drop a moon on a dummy

[lyric quarry]

huge boomkin buffs damn

[dreamy locust]

I miss blinding the raid on stacked fights with a full moon

[tiny ridge]

2%

[lofty depot]

double full moon dam

[daring gull]

i havent played moon in forever if they stole our animation i think its time to riot

[lofty depot]

bring it on

[fast parcel]

make every boomy have to run stellar flare and 5s cast full moon

[lucid olive]

https://x.com/Zephoslol/status/1816376627015639263

Zephos (@Zephoslol)

@lexstrasza if this prevents me from getting griefed by chandaliers or any other furniture in raids I will be very happy

X · Jul 25, 2024, 7:35 AM

[daring gull]

thats like stealing rogues swirly ball

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-dandelion-cat-silly-kitty-she-was-a-fairy-gif-14702056371420778419

[harsh herald]

Stellar flare should just be a moon fire mod instead of another dot

[lyric quarry]

13%

[harsh jungle]

13??

[distant cairn]

any reason why they nerfed the elune choosen tier set to compensate for the 5% aura?

[lyric quarry]

8+5

[lucid olive]

m+

[real flax]

u just reply urself

[ebon vigil]

m+ targeted nerf

[lofty depot]

so u dont get 5%, u get less

[tiny ridge]

?

[warm atlas]

cuz that's what Blizzard does whenever they buff moonkin.. some placebo 5% dmg increase, and a decrease somewhere else

[harsh jungle]

Where is the 8 coming from

[distant cairn]

but we arent even the best in m+, so it just feels very strange

[final schooner]

Why not just give less

[pallid solar]

to avoid making it broken in m+

[daring gull]

yo what the fuck

[dreamy locust]

Good, make boomkin mid in keys and good in raid for once in past 3 years

[lofty depot]

how do u ggive more to 1 tierset, but less to another

[daring gull]

they stole our fucking full moon animation

[lyric quarry]

8% buff already

[final schooner]

well true

[dreamy locust]

Wish theyd do it going into a tier instead of 5 weeks into every tier

[lofty depot]

easier to just look at the dps meter, find a funny line and lower it a little

[outer oasis]

It is not broken even if get 5%

[lofty depot]

also, makes starfall closer to starfire

[outer oasis]

Nerf frost dk instead

[real flax]

https://tenor.com/view/full-moon-gif-27663105

[ebon vigil]

I say do another 25% aura nerf for boomie

[fiery veldt]

Nah bro actually n1 in st and m+ now

[final schooner]

This

[fiery veldt]

doomy discord

[pallid solar]

would probably go into tier S+ in m+ if flat 5% buff

[tardy fiber]

they still didn't give us survival instincts, need another buff

[jade drift]

im pissed

[lyric quarry]

switching to boomkin after the massive buffs, wheres the best guide?

[distant cairn]

its still really far behind frost no?

[restive cosmos]

came out 8 years ago

[real flax]

stellar drift + survival instincts and we done

[vagrant path]

No

[tiny ridge]

Is the evoker buff good?

[bronze sandal]

meanwhile

[pallid solar]

not with a flat 5% buff, and also u need 3 dps, it has really strong buff and has CR, and with sham being the main played healer, boomie could easily make it into S+

[lofty depot]

depends level of play can read wowhead to get an idea

dreamgrove.gg is more specific

[hasty karma]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/death-knight/frost/overview-pve-dps

[lofty depot]

yea weird. its curious dwilkz is boosting a bm when it was already good and got a bigger buff than boomkin

[deep quartz]

its basically irrelevant

• scalecommander for deva is 7-10% behind flameshaper and the buffs are just for sc
• the aug buffs are ~2% in raid so also basically irrelevant
• idk if pres even presses deep breath in raid, maybe for mobility? lol

[lofty depot]

hm

i have a quote from my evoker "they buffed the shitty build"

[tiny ridge]

I was interested in devo

[fiery veldt]

was gunna swap shammy but now im deleting the shaman boomy n1 again.

[lofty depot]

thats a choice

[deep quartz]

figured, still included all

[fiery veldt]

❤️

[dreamy locust]

Yeah Im really shocked BM didnt get similar M+ nerf or offset

Like boomy did

because I think those hero talent changes arent the M+ build

[maiden pasture]

they arent

they play pack leader in m+

[tiny ridge]

Idk if evo even press those spells

[outer oasis]

A net 4% D

[deep quartz]

so logs are bad now or

[deep quartz]

scalecommander deva isnt played atm because its 7-10% behind fs

[lyric quarry]

not sure if the joke is that you think frostdk is easier or what lol

[near yoke]

deepbreath is used for stun on pres

[dreamy locust]

I havent played it but I heard FDK got changed to be ret pally levels easy

[tiny ridge]

So almost nothing

[lyric quarry]

how is boomkin not ret pally easy tho

[dreamy locust]

It is,

Im just saying I think FDK used to be a challenging spec, but heard its not anymore

[hasty karma]

poking fun at

[dreamy locust]

I hoenstly hate runes, cant stand playing DK

They give me the ick

[normal otter]

Soo we got a buff.. ? I am at a party right now is it ok to drink champagne or is it a bad one?

[normal pilot]

it won't make you first so it's by definition bad

[devout hazel]

Im just tryna figure out why they nerfed elunes chosen tier along with the 5% aurabuff, i don't get it

[maiden pasture]

they wanted to buff us for raid but didnt wanna ruin m+ tuning. they did not take this approach for bm hunter though they just buffed without caring

[normal otter]

Oh I already have a decent chance in the meters right now - I think the buff will help

[pallid solar]

so if u get a 100Mio dollars is by definition bad? cause it wont make u the richest human alive?

[maiden pasture]

L ragebait

[fluid hemlock]

5% not enough, i recommend closing the class discord

[pallid solar]

what ragebait, he just dropped a nosense

his argument wasnt even that "its not enough"

[normal pilot]

if youre not first you're last

[pallid solar]

was that is bad cause wont make u first

[tardy jasper]

u play world of warcraft youre never first

[devout hazel]

I mean, if they gave us just the 5% aura and didnt nerf ec tier i still dont think it would shake up the meta

[charred lynx]

boomers will keep on recycling the same joke over and over again

jfc

[pallid solar]

thats some retpal type of argument right there

[lofty depot]

my hunter plays mm, so im the only one that got buffed in my raid. im turbo broken now

[spice egret]

With bm also getting buffed aren't we still going to be last anyways? 😛

[lofty depot]

"we"

lock in

[near yoke]

if your not top 3 specs your not getting invited

so not top 3 from these buffs there fore last

[tardy jasper]

lmfao this is so psychotically untrue

[pallid solar]

XDDDDDD

[tardy jasper]

i promise you at your level of play nobody cares about your spec

[pallid solar]

and am the one ragebaiting

crazy

[tardy jasper]

i promise you

[pallid solar]

and whats ur "level of play"?

[tardy jasper]

anything but world 20

[pallid solar]

asking out of curiosity since right now there is a boomie in top 6 key

[dreamy locust]

If you arent playing FDK/mage/ele, you are not getting invited to HIGH keys (9-10s) FACT

[pallid solar]

in the world

[tardy jasper]

my statement is more of a general blanket term to all specs

[pallid solar]

still untrue

xD

[dreamy locust]

If you aren't high IO (1500+) you prolly shouldnt even be typing in the chat guys

seriously

[pallid solar]

am peak 800 in s2 turbo season

can I?

[lofty depot]

u do understand that the meta doesnt fleshed out for weeks right

looking at classes pushing the highest keys currently does nothing

[pallid solar]

means that what he said is untrue

at least for now

as u said

[deep quartz]

checked, and thats a feral, no?

[pallid solar]

meta is not properly stablished yet

so stating that boomie "wont get invited" is just copium

[lofty depot]

yes m+ brainrot takes as usual

[deep quartz]

oh its just outdated already, top 8 ig

[lofty depot]

people spew

[spice egret]

Statistically on logs assuming same parse percentile. Obviously mileage will vary depending on who you play with.

[pallid solar]

my bad, its top 8, need a 10% flat buff

asap

[tardy jasper]

it is genuinely insane to convince yourself you arent being invited because of your spec

[pallid solar]

legit unplayable class

[pallid solar]

its u who said that

not me

?????

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

[tardy jasper]

someone else said that

are you illiterate

[lofty depot]

well yea, but that assumes that ur playing with top gamer 90+ parsers

[tardy jasper]

or do you just seek to inject yourself into every conversation to fill some void of attention from childhood neglect

[pallid solar]

xDDD

I didnt disrespect and u did twice in 2 sentences

[deep quartz]

it is not #balance message

[pallid solar]

but I guess am the one having childhood neglect

[charred lynx]

this doesn't seem very balance related to me

[pallid solar]

yes my bad gang

[wise onyx]

what do we think about the boomy "buffs"

[red nymph]

Are we back?

[wise onyx]

looks like 1 buff and 3 nerfs to me

[random fox]

5% will probably put us neck in neck with BM hunter 😄

Battle for the last place

[tardy fiber]

Back to feral yess

[wise onyx]

should've been 10% increase

[red nymph]

Thank God im really enjoying dev evo

[spice egret]

Well when comparing you have to use similar skill levels, no? Like sure I'm gonna beat some ele shaman grey parsing (except on Forgeweaver xd) but when discussing number tuning/balance should assume similar skill level

[lofty depot]

that assume ur in a guild with similar skill parity

[pallid solar]

[normal otter]

💅 so we gucci now - I’ll pop the bottle, the burst damage will be bumpin

[lofty depot]

if i 95+ parse im better than everyone in my guild

[pallid solar]

buff frost dk then

there is one in ur guild that seems to be bottom dpsing

[lofty depot]

hes a reroll

[bright tinsel]

its parity* but i think skill parody is awesome

[lofty depot]

probably had 690 gear on myth rekills

[lofty depot]

yea

w.e.

[pallid solar]

I was just joking, cause I dunno, I get ur point but kinda pointless at the same time no?, what you said didnt make tankor's point untrue

[dreamy locust]

https://i.imgur.com/f63shao.png always feels bad, but araz is like, kind of a meme fight now

[tardy jasper]

i knew it looked incorrect but i wasnt confident enough

[lofty depot]

i mean when everyone is 25 ilvls higher than him

yes it does

[pallid solar]

what I mean is, not every player in every guild has the same skill lvl

[lofty depot]

that dk is haush which plays feral

[pallid solar]

but u still have to assume pple will, for buffs and nerfs

[hidden patio]

5% daamge buff on boomie?

[lofty depot]

as u can see is good at feral

[hidden patio]

will it make it meta for keys again

or at least viable to bring it over feral

[pallid solar]

and if ure way above ur guild, u either stay cause ure comfy, or u try to look for some better one

[dreamy locust]

Boomy was already viable in keys

[lofty depot]

dwilkz leveling bm (yea surely meta)

[dreamy locust]

and by viable I mean easily in at least good tier

[normal otter]

I know this formation

[pallid solar]

pre bm nerf

when everyone starts playing it for mdi

[hidden patio]

yeah but its not frost dk arcane mage havok dh or destro lock rn

[pallid solar]

prot warr being that strong and buffing bm dmg even more is kinda yikes

[hidden patio]

bm nerf?

[tardy jasper]

i play disc bdk and balance in that order, all 3 got buffs today and all 3 discords are angry about the buffs they got

[hidden patio]

beast mastery

[dreamy locust]

I think boomy is better than havoc and destro at least xd

[tardy jasper]

blizzard out of touch

[pallid solar]

got buffed, I said pre as prediction

[pallid solar]

agreed

might argue about havoc, since havoc has actually good prio target

but u dont want more prio while playing arcane and frost dk

[hidden patio]

nah boomie is squisher than havok and havok is good funnel+ has a party defensive unlike boomy

[hoary torrent]

Really don't think it's better than havoc

[dreamy locust]

You dont want like

[tardy jasper]

havok is a mortal kombat charactee

[pallid solar]

I think it is in the actual comps, not as a single class

[dreamy locust]

2 funnel specs in M+

Arcane mage is just your funnel/big guy killer

And boomy prio dmg isnt bad

[hidden patio]

i main vdh and been seeing rare #1 vdh doing his 18s and 19s with vdh rsham frost dk arcane mage havok dh

[hot sinew]

we got the mat after tunning of dmg % change?

[hidden patio]

streets nuff said imo

[lofty depot]

hm

[pallid solar]

pinned msg

[pallid solar]

[pallid solar]

dont use china as meta definers

[hot sinew]

ty homies

[pallid solar]

they're good but they play what they enjoy

just see how many mages u have playing frost

[hoary torrent]

Havoc isn't just a funnel class though it does omega aoe too

[pallid solar]

in china servers

[dreamy locust]

Welcome to your opinion, boomy was already good in M+ tho

[pallid solar]

and also a lot of dk unholy

Xmd already playing frost for some keys I really think

but he was playing unholy dk

while being one of the top rio dks

[dreamy locust]

If I had to guess, I dont think boomy be the meta top-end play cause I think BM hunter is about to be cracked

And playing bm hunter + boomy would be a bit rough

Itll be viable for world-first level keys tho

[delicate perch]

whats ur peak IO? its clear u never played m+, cause class played are not only based in the class itself, it depends on comps also, so if u will get a boomie, u need to be sure u will get enough kicks, also prio target is really meaningful this season, and yeah boomie does not have real prio dmg, but it does have good overall performance

[grand niche]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-thumbs-up-kid-thumbs-up-meme-brent-ramobjust-gif-19399510

1 buff 3 nerfs…

[ruby flicker]

I feel like an aura buff is just lazy on blizz's end. doesn't fix the issue of doing 0 dmg outside of cds.

[delicate perch]

Class buffed and a new copy pasta in the same day

[dreamy locust]

2 buffs 2 nerfs, maffs

[delicate perch]

Insane work thanks blizzard

[pallid solar]

2 buffs 0 nerfs

[lofty depot]

u want them to jsut slam a 20% surge buff

[icy wadi]

The core problem is the awful tier set design causing a horrible damage profile for this raid

[dense lion]

ugh omg guys, you have to understand, boomy is where its at because of its gods will!

[lofty depot]

thank for your very important response

[ember oxide]

who fucking pinged me

[ruby flicker]

Wrath gains 20% crit multiplier outside of incarn. Would be my suggestion but I'm an idiot so who knows

[dense lion]

ur welcome king

[quiet drift]

xddd

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/hollyweencandy-sad-cat-cat-sad-cat-crying-cat-upset-gif-26444127

[dreamy locust]

If you think boomy does 0 dmg outside of cds, its clear you have never once swapped to feral spec

[ember oxide]

go follow me back on twit

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-cat-gif-24663663

[worldly plume]

so wtf do the tunings mean to boomie
nerf or buff

[grand niche]

I want … 200% aura buff and to gig juice all of our spenders.

[worldly plume]

wtf is 5%

and nerfing t set

what is ele

[lofty depot]

hmm

gonna add an m to every time someone asks what the tuning means

[mighty mica]

perhaps read the pin

[lofty depot]

see how far we get

[pallid solar]

is it a buff or a nerf overall?

am a delve player

[lofty depot]

seek help

[pallid solar]

I only see stats for m+ and ST

[delicate perch]

[worldly plume]

2% buff overall well

ty blizz

[cerulean mulch]

how do you know its 2% overall?

[worldly plume]

pinned notes

[lofty depot]

hmmm

[grand niche]

Inb4theytakeitback

[tepid mountain]

What % mastery do yall have in moonkin form?

[glacial spindle]

Waited all that time for those changes? Holy fuck what are they smoking

[worldly plume]

27

[tepid mountain]

is 27% haste 22% mast 13% crit 10% vers bad?

[mighty mica]

still got buffs even though we didn't shut down the server, can the meme finally die

[radiant jungle]

Before it is over 'hmmm' will end up with fifty m's

[lofty depot]

no, cuz pally closed their balance chat

[mighty mica]

who

[safe egret]

leeching doesnt sound right ?

[delicate perch]

Did you perhaps only select it

[lofty depot]

lol cape enchants arent increases

[delicate perch]

Raidbots does not care for shitty enchants

[lofty depot]

also leech good for rot

and thats all i die to

[dreamy locust]

I just perma run leech cloak, avoidance bracer

Just need some leech

[tepid mountain]

stormriders fury?

[dreamy locust]

684 chest, lock in

stop simming acquire vest

[pallid solar]

run speed

[thorn pilot]

2% like

what

[lucid olive]

no

[safe egret]

i've been running 8-9s, it just isnt dropping for me

but i figured why not check enchants on stuff i wont replace for a while

[thorn pilot]

no MM nerf

[dreamy locust]

They dont want to balance the raid, (which Im kinda fine with)

[pallid solar]

u can check, just dont check "third stat" since it wont have a dps impact (leech, avoidance, speed...)

[dreamy locust]

so they dont wanna nerf classes right now is my guess

[mighty mica]

yes

[thorn pilot]

fdk and arcane mage still pew pew

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/229491046382436353/1410340148096405545/image.png?ex=68bbddde&is=68ba8c5e&hm=bc2aa5e86b3b77d869021162751e97bddcd81fec8f08e862a3e0371fe87b206c&

[deep quartz]

gonna steal that one

[dreamy locust]

Yeah I think arcane/FDK are the S tiers,

But boomys A tier with a lot of stuff

[safe egret]

i gotchu, i had no idea none gave useful stats, i just selected them all. does the staff one look correct?

[slender dragon]

i hope so they don't. stop always nerf what is good, just up what is bad, this should be the way to go

idk how to say in english but in french it mean "downgrading"

[ornate pendant]

whatever sims the highest

[gloomy viper]

im sure that will get me into keys. maybe ill only spend 3 hours looking for a 12 instead of 4

[pallid solar]

as sinergy said, do u run m+ or raid?

[safe egret]

both

[warm atlas]

respec resto.. insta invite

[dreamy locust]

Depends how balanced the top end of stuff is

[safe egret]

i wasnt aware people did one or the other

[dreamy locust]

Blizz does balancing where they rarely actually change the ranking of specs, but the outliers they try to bring in a bit

[pallid solar]

for raid I dont really know where to check, but I love to check murlok io

[dreamy locust]

They arent going to make boomy from bottom to mid/high tier spec in raid

[slender dragon]

nope, you can even adapt every class to 1 best. its just more work

[pallid solar]

it takes data from the top 50 for each class

[dreamy locust]

But they want it to be closer with the rest of the bottom

[pallid solar]

and I see most of them running stonebound artistry for m+

I dunno if u added that one to the sim

[dreamy locust]

They arent going to buff 35 specs or whatever to match up to the best specs tho

thats just unrealistic

versus nerfing the one spec at the top whos 10% ahead

[thorn pilot]

they should make everyone op la

[slender dragon]

they should do

[thorn pilot]

rwf ended

[slender dragon]

you are just accepting lazy blizzard

[thorn pilot]

just make every one op

[slender dragon]

thats why people are ok with 4 dungeons 1 raid per ext

[dreamy locust]

Its literally interns working on balancing anything right now

[thorn pilot]

so they can join pug keu

[slender dragon]

they are recycling all the content, everyone is ok with that

[dreamy locust]

Everyone else is working on next 2 expansions

[slender dragon]

typical

[dreamy locust]

that they already announced

[thorn pilot]

rather than pick meta crap

[safe egret]

yeah i added them all. thank you. and i know i can make it weird to sim but do you know offhand which 4 set items i'm going for? i'm pretty sure helm and gloves but idk the other 2

[fast grove]

Not accepting it. Just being realistic from whag has happened.

[dreamy locust]

Skip one without mastery if all same ilvl

I forget what slot it is

you can check ingame

[slender dragon]

You just have to tell yourself that WOW players accept being served reheated food every season and even expansion, it's surely the biggest scam the video game industry has ever known.

[pallid solar]

most pple skipping shoulders if am right

[white scarab]

Good Bluffs or joke?

[pallid solar]

but prio get 4p and then, once u get 4, u start balancing stats

[dreamy locust]

I mean I have enough fun with the game to play with gold funding

If I had to pay $15 dollars a month

Id have dropkicked this game years ago

[safe egret]

there's one without mastery? i'm waiting to get hero tiers in my gears before making them sets so yeah should be same ilevel. thank you

[willow thicket]

ehehe get it, balancing stats

[karmic root]

we gonna be playing kotg in mplus now?

[pallid solar]

shoulders I really think

u can check in Shift+J (I forgot how that shit called >.>) > item sets tab in the bottom

[dreamy locust]

Nope

[safe egret]

oh cool, never seen this menu

[grand niche]

Same stuff tiny gains

[warm atlas]

why do people think memekins are good in m+? I'd rather inv a mage, shaman and a dk

[dreamy locust]

Because they are good

[safe egret]

because i'm having fun and throwing stars and lasers around

who cares

[dreamy locust]

Good damage, good buff, pretty good utility

[normal otter]

We can typhoon while we let it rain stars and even the moon

[safe egret]

you right, shoulders dont have mastery

[warm atlas]

vs best damage, bloodlust, aoe barriers, cs, spellsteal, iceblock.. ad naseum? ;P

[gentle patio]

those are the interns. Its all interns. Except the art team.

[dreamy locust]

I mean, If you dont have a bloodlust, that doesnt mean boomkin is bad

You just need to meet that checkmark in your group comp somewhere

[pallid solar]

prot warrior is better than vdh, that doesnt make vdh bad

[safe egret]

if you can clear it, why does it matter what class it is?

[dreamy locust]

Boomkin was played in every key last season, guess what

It didnt have lust or mass barrier then either

[pallid solar]

noice

[dreamy locust]

shocker

[pallid solar]

wdym it had mass cenarion ward

[warm atlas]

iot does make bear terrible tho

[pallid solar]

cause bear is terrible, not the point here

u said boomie is not good cause there are 3 classes above him

that doesnt make boomie bad

makes it slightly behind those 3 classes

[pallid solar]

out of 50 dps specs available in the game atm

[maiden beacon]

You guys have the support of the rets

[dreamy locust]

I dont think ele is better than boomy at all, Unless you need lust they interchangable

In M+

[grand niche]

I think he got lost at the “joined dream grove” button

[pallid solar]

I think it is for endgame, cause better ST, and pple knows how to play around asc procs, but arguable

[dreamy locust]

Play around ascendance procs? Noones like changing pulls for procs

[pallid solar]

u can force proc with tier

and I wanted to say cd mostly

[dreamy locust]

Ele ST in M+ is not even good psure

They play stormkeeper

and its worse than EC ST

[pallid solar]

my ele still sims way above my boomie

in ST

[dreamy locust]

M+ talents in ST?

[fathom tulip]

is versa the 2nd best secondary for kotg atm after mastery?

[pallid solar]

yes

[past knot]

does this make sense?

[pallid solar]

its still good

[dreamy locust]

Last I looked it was stormkeeper ele M+

Idk if thats changed

but it was like

[pallid solar]

yy its stormkeeper

[dreamy locust]

gigabad

ST sim in m+ talents

[pallid solar]

well but boomie with EC is way worse XDDD

[dreamy locust]

Might be gear diff

[pallid solar]

but yeah I get ur point

[craggy sonnet]

no

[dreamy locust]

THey both pretty bad ST in M+ talents, but basically interchangable

[pallid solar]

and yeah I didnt mean procs, I meant cds and tier proc, not the randomised asc proc

[dreamy locust]

Idk for a fact which is higher cause my shaman is enhance njoyer

[pallid solar]

dunno but anyways, above or below sham doesnt make a class bad

havoc dh is not bad and it wasnt in the top3 mentioned by him neither

[woven elbow]

we did it boys

[somber path]

good old wowhead clickbait

[pallid solar]

how is it clickbait

its memey yes, clickbait?

[warm atlas]

i just don't understand the logic here. shamans / mages can be equally good/better (and top) in both m+ and raid.. yet moonkins being avg at m+ is enough of a reason to nerf their tier set as an offset to a 5% dmg buff LOL

[somber path]

kind of both really

[viscid gale]

Its memeing on the ret paladin discord

[pallid solar]

not avg, good

straight below tier SS class doesnt make it avg

[vital hound]

whats ur peak IO? its clear u never played m+, cause class played are not only based in the class itself, it depends on comps also, so if u will get a boomie, u need to be sure u will get enough kicks, also prio target is really meaningful this season, and yeah boomie does not have real prio dmg, but it does have good overall performance

[dreamy locust]

A tier, the tier right below S stands for Average

cmon now

and B is Bad

[agile wraith]

So like why just a tiny damage aura buff over doing something to help fundamentally change ST for boomies for the better? Like why not a rework to KOTG or solar eclipse?

[warm atlas]

not the point 😉

[dreamy locust]

Because noones working on the game, they have 2 announced expansions

[viscid gale]

If they didn't do anything about elunes chosen with the extra 5% it's likely feral and resto would be back on the shelf at high key levels

[pallid solar]

yes the point, u say its bad just cause 2 classes are above it

a class that is below only 2 other specs

[slim relic]

Just re-roll warlock (I had to for our raid but I miss bamkin) MAKE BAMKIN GREAT AGAIN.

[pallid solar]

can easily make it into meta comp

if it suits the comp

[mighty mica]

?

[lucid olive]

remove mythic+

[agile wraith]

based

I feel like there should be a non M+ variant of every dungeon at a +10 level of tuning, to earn a +10 in the vault like they did with Taz this season.

Just call it M-

[lucid olive]

delete infinitely farmable loot from m+ and keep it as a game mode

like pet battling

[swift elbow]

you do it 1 or 2 weeks a season as raiders and then barely do it again outside of vault? why nerf other players game mode xD

[dreamy locust]

I like m0 farming weeks

Dont hate