balance

[lofty depot]

the buff might get uhh consumed on the tracker

[normal pilot]

there could be issues with spellqueue/server batching

[lofty depot]

but the burst damage itself is on hit

[normal pilot]

but you'll have to look at logs

[simple canyon]

ok i'll keep an eye on it and see what i can find when it happens in logs. thanks

[blazing thicket]

so nexus healing trinket is one of our bis rn

[lofty depot]

yea surely

[blazing thicket]

i did a lot of tests since i mentioned it two weeks ago. it is better than others. since it takes with an on use trinket. and recently i discovered that you can double regrowth two players with the buff before pull to have a 16 second buff of it going into bosses

so now you start with the 17k more int on pull for your CDs with your on use

then can proc it anytime with one regrowth

while no1 likes to listen to me about this but as a resto MS who got the trinket day 2 and done tests since than, until its fixed, its basically a double on use for our 12 second major CDs

[lofty depot]

can u show the logs of ur tests

[blazing thicket]

I dont got them saved rn, i could take more in abit tho

But you understand what im saying?

regrowth for a 12 second int buff. then on use with another on use trinket

[lofty depot]

i know what ur doing with the trinkey ye

[blazing thicket]

and you can stack these before pulls for 16 second buff

[lofty depot]

yes i understand

[ionic oak]

open discord.
check pins.
no buffs.
cry.
back to touching grass

[blazing thicket]

i just spent a drunk night last night on target dummies testing stuff cuz sims wasnt working

[lofty depot]

well theres no apl for pressing regrowth on a buffed target

[blazing thicket]

and with the double on use for our burst, it always averaged like 3% higher using that trinket

i got a WA to track who has the buff as an rdruid main.

so its pretty easy to use it, especially in cases where boss moves or is immune, but even stationary for dummies, it works out

when bosses immune for a second or whatever, its a 12 second buff, getting two makes it 16 seconds, enough time for an entire rotation of all our major CDs, aligned with pot, other trinket, convoke, etc

with a higher ilvl trinket, its 10% of our int increased.

Might only be BiS for me because I dont got other dps trinkets, like antenna

I got nexus trinket, so'leah, araz forge, and a few other randoms

ritual with nexus trinket did me the best everytime. if i had antenna, might be diff

you can regrowth twice before pull for a 16 second 17k int buff, buff stays on pull, the targets of the oath resets on pull, so double regrowth, get 16 second buff, dot, pop incarn, trees, pot, araz trinket, starsurge to no AP, convoke, starsurge to no AP, and that 12 seconds is over with double trinket usage. I do 20m+ burst

[jaunty blaze]

Damn

[normal pilot]

you can actually swap out the trinket after you get the buff

[blazing thicket]

Oh shit

OH SHIT

I DIDNT KNOW THAT

This changes EVERYTHING

[jaunty blaze]

Wow

[blazing thicket]

Even for those skeptical about regrowthing constantly before CDs which is still a benefit, having that 20k int for a maxed trinket before the pull so it lasts for pots/other trinket/incarn/convoke etc

This could be game changing for a burst

I dont usually discover such huge things which is why ive mentioned this day two when I figured it out. week 1 with trinket as a healer and went boomkin after raid to try it...

[jaunty blaze]

You sure discovered that

[simple canyon]

i think i figured out the dream burst weird interaction. theres a way to always get your wrath before trees to proc dreamburst

if you start casting your 2nd wrath before the first one hits then the wrath before trees will proc it

dreamstate makes it pretty easy

that or distance from target

will make using your dream burst stacks on adds before they die on araz alot easier

[blazing thicket]

I deff did tho lol or at least first to publically talk about it

[jaunty blaze]

No

[blazing thicket]

Whatever you say. But I know I did

I got the trinket day 2, then went boomkin and decided to try it. Realized it worked, and talked about it on and off here for weeks

I dont think anyone else was using this

[normal pilot]

it was known since ptr

[blazing thicket]

Considering how EVERYONE told me it was a terrible idea when I gave them the math, I assume no1 else is doing it

Alright and>

Ive tested it. its better than other trinkets

[jaunty blaze]

If it becomes the go to for some reason i get back to you and apologize

[normal pilot]

well tehre's no reason not to abuse the prepull exploit

assuming you care enough about balance parsing

regardless of what other trinkets you have

[wicked shuttle]

Definitely not game breaking regardless

[normal pilot]

at worst you get a vacation from having to suffer moonkin

sounds win win

[wicked shuttle]

Hahaha

True

[normal pilot]

prepull by itself was worth 100k or something

over a 5min sim

[wicked shuttle]

That’s not bad actually

[normal pilot]

ya even better as bosses get shorter

you do have to macro cancelaura for the instnat regrowth tho so you don't waste a gcd

[errant flint]

Does rogue group stealth ever mess up the pre-cast wrath for anyone?

[jaunty blaze]

Mess up how

[errant flint]

When im in rogue stealth and I precast wrath sometimes I have to precast a 3rd to go into eclipse when the boss is pulled and stealth goes away.

[jaunty blaze]

Probably due to prepull

Dont think this should be an issue at least never noticed it

But you dont necessarily need to get into eclipse in prepull anyway its just a little bonus damage

[tardy hare]

I was promised that this would be the day of the buffs

[potent cargo]

its a thursday in america what made u think that

[tardy hare]

Well I was promised!

[potent cargo]

never deploy an update or fix close to weekend or u cant take weekend off if something goes wrong

cowboys didnt win so no buffs gg

[tardy hare]

Gawd daym

[steep edge]

this has nothing to do with rogue stealth.
it means the boss is pulled before you ended your 2nd cast and casts required are reset to 2

[jaunty blaze]

If anything its tonight for us eu boys

[fiery veldt]

btw i am at a point were if u guys get me in touch with class design i will do sexual favors for a buff

is that against tos?

either way ill take the sacrifice for us

[lofty depot]

wrong day

@vital hound are we buffed?

[grand niche]

Maaan … we are about to work on prog in mythic and I still prefer to play balance over feral and resto despite the weeny whiners

[lofty depot]

blizzard the non-controversial company

play balance

[grand niche]

#committed

[fiery veldt]

@lofty depot i have skills ive honed for the last 16 years i can do this for us arctic

[grand niche]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-taken-point-gif-18698093

[pale halo]

We are

Just wrong expansion, they buffed balance and rogues on MoP

[fiery veldt]

nice

[worldly plume]

Classic more Important than Retail i guess

[wide dawn]

Anyone having world sever is down ? in eu

[errant flint]

[ionic oak]

Last check in for buffs before bed
Nothing ok see yall tomorrow

[lofty depot]

tomorrow like 6pm cst

lock in

[woeful chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tomorrow-tomorrow-for-sure-eventually-uhhh-gif-1449581977852559422

[wide dawn]

This is the only time i see boomie is bad on council fight 😄

[dim solar]

Ye

[dire osprey]

lord why do you test me

[jaunty blaze]

😔

The heart skipping a beat moment

[tardy hare]

Well now that you can't even play the game balance is just fine

Balance is good when everyone is offline

[jaunty blaze]

[pale halo]

Maybe eu offline cause they buffing us

[torpid skiff]

french RP realms unbothered

[pale halo]

Also dead now i think

[tardy hare]

Lol

[pliant light]

everything is dead now

[crude void]

I see a lot of Lily and or Azhiccaran trinkets for boomkin on soul hunters what could be reason? Those have always simmed worse for me than antenna araz

[steep edge]

we back xd

[deft crown]

pog u can rp that your boomkin does actual damage

[pliant light]

Is there a guide for Elune´s CHosen opening Rota?

[mighty mica]

yes?

[dire osprey]

probably because u play EC and alot of people use those trinkets for m+

[jaunty blaze]

They are better for ec yes

[potent cargo]

yes its very complex though

[torpid skiff]

ruski realms are up

not sure about the rest of eu

[vital hound]

Not yet tm

[pliant light]

its back

realms

[crude void]

Dwilkz doing 100 parses with Mugzee cumjar as second trinket is hilarious

[devout hazel]

Forge good for convoke kinda poo for elunes chosen bc 2 minute trinkets dont line up as well with just incarn

[crude void]

+1 that thats why my head hurts because raidbots sims Priory trinket higher than Lily for me which I cant understand

[jaunty blaze]

Because mastery does more for you than int

Int is good for keeper because it increases your cap for dryad

Otherwise by going by the 2minute logic signet would have to be significantly worse aswell

[crude void]

Mastery doing more is logical but simming 3 target 7-8 minutes the mock soul hunters resulted in Azzhicaran being 1% which gives everything but mastery

Lily is a slight upgrade Antenna Azzhicaran came out best

[jaunty blaze]

I think the rank 1 boomie log on soul hunters also runs those

[royal zenith]

it's almost as if gameplay dictates outcome more than trinket choice

[crude void]

If Dwilkz is still rank 1 he ran Lily and Azzhicaran

[royal zenith]

rank 2 uses antenna and lily, thoughts?

[jaunty blaze]

No thoughts head empty

[royal zenith]

rank 3 uses antenna and forge though

thoughts?

@carmine vigil why did you choose lily + azzhicaran for Soulhunters

[crude void]

Well if making a question on a class discors results in butthurt whats the literal point of a class discord? Yapping and gooning ?

[royal zenith]

nobody is butthurt

[carmine vigil]

sim good for EC 👍

[royal zenith]

Im trying to get your answer

[carmine vigil]

i wore what i wear when i do keys for that boss

[royal zenith]

yeah figured it was someting like that

[carmine vigil]

im pretty sure i fired off some stupid shit like 3 target 6 mins sim then a pull timer went up so i just equipped keystone EC set and blasted

[royal zenith]

think for soulhunter you already run m+ talents, so probably just send trinket that sim well for m+ and/or sustained aoe

which is what you ended up with

[carmine vigil]

yep lily macrod into incarn ezpz press button on cd pretend like 4p doesnt exist and win

[royal zenith]

as Cory would say... the vibes were immaculate

[crude void]

So you also play Lily Azzhi instead of Antenna on any slot on M+ aswell?

[pearl linden]

[jaunty blaze]

gz

[carmine vigil]

i do not have antenna

[sudden flame]

[crude void]

Makes sense then, thanks

[jade flume]

I had antenna in vault

Dogshit ass trinklet

[jaunty blaze]

What the helly

[maiden pasture]

🤝

i also had it in vault and didnt even think about taking it

[jade flume]

I took 3 ilvl upgrade on shoulders

Full 717 vault and i had to pick m+ item

[maiden pasture]

Same 🙁

Well not full but 2 box

And I took a neck xd

[pallid bay]

Lantenna

[maiden pasture]

[naive siren]

what is a fully loaded surge critting with ilvl 705.
did some test on Dummy with no buffs, and müsst of my tries max crit is 12mio, but one time i had 23mio

do I play wrong when I only get 12mio crits?

[jaunty blaze]

Maybe possibly

Hard to tell from guessing

[naive siren]

xD
then what are your big crits about in number value ?

[maiden pasture]

i think you shouldnt focus on how much your crits are doing, worry about if you're doing the rotation correctly

[pallid bay]

dont think people have this data ready

in raid u can just check logs

[naive siren]

yes, and I wanted to check that if I am doing ok

[pallid bay]

but dont think people are memorizing their biggest/avg crit on a dummy with no buffs

[naive siren]

other question

[indigo barn]

Wtf do we do on M Araz? Play kindling and dot everything or just blast the boss?

[maiden pasture]

wrong way of checking imo

[naive siren]

yes, but that's what is have at hand now ^^

do you send convoke right after trees, even if we would waste AP?

guess so, because compendium says so ^^

[royal zenith]

do you care more about wasting AP or doing damage

the order in which you send the abilities has to do with buffs/cooldowns lining up

like trees, dryad's favor, etc.

[naive siren]

ok thanks for clarification

[royal zenith]

you're right about the general rule of not overcapping tho

[round field]

Sit on the bench lolbro

Let the real specs play

[indigo barn]

Nah we are all shit wr 1500, we dont do bench

But still need to kill this boss lol

[pallid bay]

yeah convoke just does more damage per execute time so you want it early in CA with more boat and forge stacks

but the dryad buff prevents you from using trees any earlier

[scenic mist]

Option 1
Don’t bother moonfiring the orbs tho, just sunfire them
And you can dot collectors to get free ap

Check lorggs for cooldowns usage

[maiden pasture]

Is that worth

Dotting collectors while they're immune

[dire osprey]

ok

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8BD1ypGdcvPzrTLM?fight=2&type=damage-done

which one of u did this

[scenic mist]

I mean, dots won’t ever drop so

Might as well do it as early as possible

[maiden pasture]

This is some woke nonsense

[scenic mist]

Like in a purple orbs dodging phase when you’re moving for instance

[maiden pasture]

The only cool full druid runs were nathria and sanctum

[round field]

7:16

[maiden pasture]

I thought dots do drop now cause they nerfed the AK extension, or is there enough targets on araz where you generate enough AP to perma extend

[scenic mist]

If you weave doting and starfall you can keep everything up afaik

Like don’t put 6 gcds in a row to dot the 3 collectors

[maiden pasture]

Ye ofc

[scenic mist]

Cd window might make you drop dot tho

[maiden pasture]

But the moment your orbit breaker drops on an immune collector it's no longer worth or

[round field]

Just dont run orbit breaker

Shrimple

[pallid bay]

dotting immune targets is a dps loss

[maiden pasture]

Same with shrooms

Yeah it can't be worth for that shit asp

Adds spawn and your shroom spawns on an immune collector Vs the adds and boss

You just FF

[royal zenith]

ohh noooo not the 2k dps losssss

we will never carrryyy that wayyyy

[maiden pasture]

Sybau

[royal zenith]

I'm just spiteful cause we didnt receive buffs*

and the spec is shit on any fights with adds

[pallid bay]

its actually more..

[royal zenith]

can imagine

[pallid bay]

-2 gcds per collector

cause the dots will drop

[maiden pasture]

at this point i will be more tilted by the late tuning than no tuning

ive already had to play feral for all of prog

idc if they buff the spec for farm

my tier is over once nexus king dies next week anyway

[pallid bay]

u'll bring bamkin after buffs coming this week

[maiden pasture]

maybe i should have taken antenna in anticipation of bamkin being overbuffed........

[shadow kiln]

We don’t know if they do a class tuning

[round field]

They have to

No way mm stays untouched

[shadow kiln]

They are on midnight already

[round field]

Spec can just randomly rng into doing 2m more dps than anything else

One pull mm top dps other pull fighting tank

Just proc 4head

[shadow kiln]

Crit dépendant

[maiden pasture]

MM Ele shaman and destro nerfs

Moonkin, BM, enha and ret buffs

[shadow kiln]

No crit shit dam

[scenic mist]

Our hunter proccing is currently our only p2.1 exit card

[maiden pasture]

😭

[round field]

Where do i download ravage client

My ravage no proc..

[maiden pasture]

shit spec

[round field]

Wish i could travel back in time

And make mage instead of druid

Id be bing chilling every patch

[maiden pasture]

learn mage over farm

lock it in

[round field]

Ew

No

Eh

[dire osprey]

cant wait to play my new dh main next xpac....

[round field]

Cant be worse than goonmasta on mage

Thay guy blows

[maiden pasture]

wtf is a goonmasta

[round field]

My mage

[maiden pasture]

isnt darksea the goon master

[round field]

Guildie

[round field]

I was so excited for dh spec

Then i saw 25 yards

[maiden pasture]

40 yard eye beam tho

[dire osprey]

less range than ret paladins or what

havent looked too much into it but its new so it will be broken

[round field]

Its evoker

But dh

[dire osprey]

devohker

[random fox]

Guys, where buffs? It's almost been a week.

[royal zenith]

[shadow kiln]

No class tuning for sure

[crude void]

We got our deserved buffs

On MoP

[dire osprey]

They need another week to evaluate the warlock buffs they are gonna do

[shadow kiln]

They are already on the next extension 😪😆

[crude void]

They are busy with Remix and classic

Retail is a side quest

[tiny ridge]

day 3 spamming dome

[sullen current]

hi fellow I have a question about how to manage CDs as a moonkin, particularly in M+ but in general as well.
I find that our cooldown timers are a bit over the place. Generally in M+ I get 1 massive pull at the beginning when I can use all at the same time, but then after that is very rare that they align again and I get another big dmg spike.

Is there any situation where I should hold up CDs or is it the case of just using them as the come?

[devout solar]

kotg convoke in dome

[heady sentinel]

We are buffed guys

In MOP

Kekw

[crude void]

Are you playing KotG or EC?

[sullen current]

in M+ EC

[crude void]

with 1:30 trinket your cds are generally aligned

[round field]

Wdym align

You just press incarn when theres a big pull

[craggy sonnet]

Fake news

[round field]

And press starfall stafire

[crude void]

On EC you basically have CA+Warrior+Trinket and then next pull you have warrior and fury only then you have CA warrior trinket again

Basically you have CA every second pull

[sullen current]

so I hold the trinket for CA then?

[crude void]

CA and trinket are almost on the same CD

[lucid prism]

is this 10% damage buff from the hotfix yesterday going to help us a lot?

[crude void]

Stop the ragebait

[sullen current]

thanks @crude void !

[crude void]

[severe hollow]

not only is that not retail is also isnt a 10% buff

smh

[lucid prism]

wait what

[crude void]

Thats classic bruda

[lucid prism]

omfg

i'm going to die

[crude void]

You have been bamboozled

[severe hollow]

• a 25% - 35% dmg buff is NOT 10%

its like 8 ish

[sullen current]

another question, how do you manage your 2 charges of CA? do you use them early in the dungeon and then as the come after that?

[round field]

Macro it into ca and forget

[craggy sonnet]

I don't think that's right?
At least I seem to remember simming it

[crude void]

If the key is high enough and the pull is big enough yes

[round field]

Usually you dont use both in the same pull

Unless its like

A very big first priory pull or something

[lucid prism]

sorry zug zug maths

[lucid prism]

i have indeed

[sullen current]

I cannot react to messages, outrageous 😂

thanks again!

[crude void]

Floodgate first pull eco first pull priory forst pull hoa first pull

You can dump both CA s especially with BL

Unless you are farming 10keys in 710+ mobs just dont live that

But low keys are in general bad for EC overall damage

[sullen current]

yeah, I've noticed that this week even in 11-12s they are dying relatively quickly people are getting gear and pumping quite a lot

[crude void]

With druid your damage is ramping so on a lowkey with 2 other burst dps you will do nothing

KoTG might be better for lower keys but I cant stand that playstyle in M+

[livid jay]

Yea I did some keys as keeper and it feels way better in piss keys

And feral is also much better

[crude void]

Feral is giga fun when you full CD on a big pull

[livid jay]

Yep, 30mil DPS in like 5 seconds

[crude void]

I peaked higher on feral with a 704 champion polearm then I ever peaked with EC

[pallid bay]

What is not right

You want to convoke late?

That convoke does more per execute time?

[craggy sonnet]

Nah, only talking about not wanting to dump ap before convoke

[pallid bay]

You can probably send a third surge if you have the AP for it, not sure if better but could very well be

Might be better just because how limited you are after convoke

[river galleon]

For a second my heart was warm again…

[craggy sonnet]

Could very well be. But I remember (there is already a line for dumping) specifically trying dump always if it doesn't mess up some other timing thing. And that simmed better.

[torpid skiff]

is there an alternative to wowanalyzer that is more up to date? Not for balance, trying to help out a pepega friend but have no idea how his class works 🤔

[lucid olive]

No

Wowanalyzer is good

Just ignore the "not updated" pop up

[indigo barn]

Yeah you go to class discord and post logs posing as him

[torpid skiff]

smort

[lucid olive]

Wowanalyzer gives you cancelled casts, uptime, Starlord staircase graph, overcapped AP and CD cast efficiency

Basically only things you need

[crude void]

Answer will be: check the pins, play better

[round field]

no

people actually look at logs here

[indigo barn]

Nah people cant help themselves and will laugh at you and you can read actuall advice between the lines

[crude void]

+1 wow analyer is perfect for catching mistakes

[round field]

that also works

[lucid olive]

If you want advice without the snark pay for coaching

[indigo barn]

Yeah im not complaining its just how it works

[safe egret]

this new trinket actually worse? =/

[lucid olive]

None of those trinkets are particularly good

[safe egret]

i get hwat drops, idk what to tell you

[lucid olive]

The Gorger delve trinket isn't that bad for its ilvl though

[safe egret]

i have a 684 lily of eternal weave too

[tawdry oak]

whats the best comp for us in m+ this season

[jaunty blaze]

Same as before?

Not much has changed

[tawdry oak]

vdh, disc/resto sham, mage + dk?

[crude void]

Probably the bench

Keep it nice and warm

[dire osprey]

idk m+ we kinda blast i feel like

[jaunty blaze]

Its decent at least

[storm frigate]

did they announce classes balance changes yet?

[dire osprey]

especially after tomorrows buffs

[jaunty blaze]

No

[crude void]

Blast is an exaggeration but nit terrible yes

[storm frigate]

the what now?

[dire osprey]

its gonna happen have faith

[jaunty blaze]

ong

[crude void]

M+ balance’s biggest problem that we are basically playing without a tierset

[shadow kiln]

EC 4 set is shit as fuck

[crude void]

Its basically not existing yes

[dire osprey]

proc rate 100% incoming

and the surges will still only do 0.0001% of ur dps

how high can the buff even stack

[jaunty blaze]

6

[crude void]

Proc rate 100% would still mean that you dont have your dmg bonus up at the start of a pull with full cd

[royal zenith]

ackshually

the tierset is still a 20% dps increase

over having none

[dire osprey]

i mean the 2 set

is decent

[crude void]

According to sim yes but I found much less dps increase in actual gameplay

And probbaly most of it is coming from starfire dmg bonus

[royal zenith]

well yeah, but that's part of the tierset

but yes the 4pc buff is shit for M+ specifically

it would be different if it lasts longer and carries over to a new pull

[crude void]

I am mainly hating on the 4set

[royal zenith]

yes its dogshit

agree

[crude void]

I always tell ppl that is disconnected to the playstyle

And playing around it is trolling

So as a wise man once said “Act like it doesnt exist”

Which is why I say we are basically without a 4p

[sinful surge]

I didnt know i had a tierbonus in m÷

Just that i randomly got 2 starlord procs sometimes and not just 1

[crude void]

Also the damage bonus is too short to live your ramp even you can get a 4-6 stack

[sinful surge]

Ill go 1 stack to 3 and i feel like i won the lotto for 5usd

[crude void]

I have never thought that there will be a tierset that I will hate more than the s2 one

But they did their best to double down

[sinful surge]

https://tenor.com/view/exotic-butters-gif-18437191

I cant sleep

Can someone comfort me by telling me we have buffs.

[crude void]

I just did a sim on 10 targets and unequipping 2 of the 4 only results in a 5.6% loss

[heavy iris]

sweet youre wasting your own time for no reason

[barren orchid]

Is there a "class tuning waiting room" channel here ?

[jade flume]

Its this one

Since df season 1

Still waiting

[crude void]

Sounds like a ragebait

[barren orchid]

well you missed tww s2 for boomie i guess

[jade flume]

What happened that season

[heavy iris]

No youre just yapping pointless information

[jade flume]

Because i did play my bamkin and it was still not good

[barren orchid]

here is what happened

[sinful surge]

Hard meta in m+

Eh in raid

[heavy iris]

who cares about m+

[jade flume]

Not talking about m+ or pvp or transmog contests

[sinful surge]

👍

[royal zenith]

M+ really is not leading in all this

although it does affect tuning unfortunately

[jade flume]

Transmog contests are above m+

Pvp is last

[royal zenith]

it's also the fact that raid is frontloaded and important at the start of the tier

M+ only becomes important near the end of the season

it's insane that tuning for a class would get dicated by M+ content

if that's the case

[sinful surge]

I thought u meant m+ cuz we were talking bout m+ tierset

[jade flume]

Someone just mentioned class tuning

Thats all i was referring to

[heavy iris]

any buffs they push out(if they do) would also have to just not apply to pvp cause we are busted right now already

not that they really care about the pvp scene lol

[jade flume]

Ngl its just annoying when u have to main a spec because funny raid buff

And its horrendous for not only 1 expansion but 2

But apparently its not dogshit in m+ as if that matters lol

[heavy iris]

take out raid buffs entirely

[jade flume]

On god

Im not even playing bamkin anymore and im still playing druid for buff

[crude void]

Oh you are one of the who cares about the m+ people, understood

[heavy iris]

in the concept of “we were meta in s2”, yes..

i like to push for title (dont get it) but i like being good in m+ so i have a chance to at least so i care if we’re relevant but i would trade being meta in m+ for raid any day of the week and twice on sunday

[jade flume]

Rerolling for m+ is way easier

[scenic mist]

any spec can get title (and usually does)

especially if you're not even getting it, being fotm is... meh

[crude void]

EC tierset being shit mainly bother me because we could really pump on Soul Hunters atlesst

[jade flume]

Most of the time you cant just reroll in raid, especially if you are a raid buff bringer

If ur the only druid then u are staying druid even if u get dunked on by prot warriors

[round field]

imagine pushing title but not even geting it

[crude void]

I only + this because this raid tier is actually fun. S2 raid for me was clusterfuck

[round field]

mpluser

[jade flume]

Ngl last season was actually hard

80% of homies were carried or literally boosted

[round field]

anyone between 3k and title what are u even doing

[jade flume]

When title keys are 1 level under rank 1 keys something is going on frfr

[heavy iris]

Resilient keys was a terrible thing for title i think

[lucid olive]

you are so based

[jade flume]

Ye

Too easily abused

[lucid olive]

why are moonkins saying they're bad when they win pet battles??

[jade flume]

[crude void]

Key resil note tips

[scenic mist]

tip : don't push for title in pugs

[crude void]

I am the best boomkin in the Dazaralor word quest where you needed to escape the turtles to the water

[devout hazel]

i just pushed until i got bored because "higher" keys are fun

[round field]

watchu pusing bud

[devout hazel]

i mean last season i was pushing 17s before the super boost thing

[round field]

you aint pushin shit

[round field]

shut the fuck up cotti

[quiet drift]

[crude void]

Giga ragebaits with the classic buff

[safe egret]

what kind of ilevel are people usually looking for at +10

[round field]

i usually pick the highest ilvl with the most score

[devout hazel]

you can do them at relatively low ilvl tbh, but no one will invite you

[safe egret]

i'm at 700 but i cant even get into 7s, i have records of all but 2 at 8 so i cant increase my score (and no one runs those 2 bnelow 10 for some reason?)

[devout hazel]

ahh yeah so you see no one will invite you because there are just better options in que, you quite literally have to just push and run your own key gamer

think about it, you have you at that score, but there might be say a 710 ilvl with 2600 io going into that 7 to farm a piece of gear

[safe egret]

but they like, legit dont. they sit in the thing never filling instead lol

[lofty depot]

Do ur own key

[royal zenith]

how often do you do your own key @lofty depot

[scenic mist]

find friends and play with them, as the game intended 😉
pugs are a harsh environment

[royal zenith]

I honestly think it's better to just get into a group or play with friends yeah

doing your own key is such a lame advice

[lofty depot]

I play with friends

[royal zenith]

you're still waiting for people to sign up, you invite them in, it's all lowbies cause you're low score yourself

you play key, you deplete

rinse and repeat

[lofty depot]

But people saying they can't get into groups when they have key in bag

Shrug

[royal zenith]

it's factually true though

but yes there's solutions

[safe egret]

i've run my own gambit key down from 8 because the tank always rage quits at the second boss

i'd rather just not do that map anymore

[royal zenith]

it's also just a matter of, can you be assed to waste 2/3 hours to just do one key

[lofty depot]

Gambit 10m key

[safe egret]

idk what that means

[lofty depot]

I gotta run HOA for neck this weekend

[royal zenith]

yeah gl buddy

[lofty depot]

I can slam 6/7s tho

[polar wharf]

is 26k the right amount of mastery till we start diminishing on boomy?

[lofty depot]

Soooo like ezpz surely

[royal zenith]

diminishing returns are irrelevant

[coral cairn]

hey guys is the Zap-cap any good for us ?

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[royal zenith]

you want to sim the gear you have

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle Today is the day!!

[harsh jungle]

Do we get buffed today

[lofty depot]

Expert wouldn't lie

[harsh jungle]

Hard coping

[lofty depot]

Need like a cheeky 8% aura, lunar calling from 160% to 140%, surge 5%

Lock it in

[mighty mica]

that's all they do

[royal zenith]

please, at least

something

I beg

[vale pebble]

hes so right for this one

[drifting nova]

stop it, get some help

[vale gazelle]

When wowhead pops up with "balance druid buffs" but then i see its classic 😭

[pale swan]

That's not 20%

[lofty depot]

U will not be getting 20%

[pale swan]

Lunar calling to 100% and it's deal

[lofty depot]

If u think u are, I'm sorry

That's a giga nerf

[pale swan]

Xd

F m+

[vale gazelle]

Knowing blizz we'll be lucky if we get a 5% aura, so many times they give 3% per week

[lofty depot]

Well it'll be with reset week 4, so 12%

[pale swan]

🧠

[harsh jungle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/should-boomkins-close-their-class-discord-to-get-single-target-buffs-boss-damage-378425

[buoyant tulip]

lmfao i was just reading that

[trail heath]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-it-down-wrap-it-up-finish-hurry-up-done-gif-13702685

[buoyant tulip]

WE RIOT

[frosty slate]

shut it

[south mulch]

Close it!

[harsh jungle]

lol

[viral cliff]

close it
and watch nerfs happen

[sharp sinew]

Hey guys I heard we are closing the discord

[inland sand]

Did they just spit in our face ? 😂

[tardy fiber]

nice bait

[elfin plank]

I think it needs to happen for the meme

[harsh jungle]

Agreed

[viral cliff]

wym. it should happen at this point for the meme

[silk snow]

Just do it for the meme guys

[mighty mica]

no

[tardy fiber]

I mean it's great bait for us to close discord at this point, yep

[lofty depot]

Welp @lament sigil that didn't take long

[hazy storm]

[trail heath]

Can we shut down the feral discord then?

[silk snow]

Wtf hahahaha

[hazy storm]

Arctic can you buff us please

[lofty depot]

Preferably

[lofty depot]

I'm not in control nor want control

[tardy fiber]

just close #balance we can take over feral's chat

[warm wagon]

Leave it shut

[hazy storm]

I’ll post feet if Boomie gets buffed today

[lament sigil]

[mighty mica]

ew

[wild dune]

pls do not post feet.

[mighty mica]

that's more of a threat than a promise

[lofty depot]

Wait, he's threatening me, ban him

[hazy storm]

Sorry. I misunderstood the assignment here

[lament sigil]

Fellow chickens we need to make a stand

[lofty depot]

Lemonade stand?

[trail heath]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-cluck-caw-heihei-gif-12652868522842709939

[cloud plover]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdDQ1b3JmM2s5dGNhYWJraWw3Z21wbXdsbDNkNnN5M3lhZ3l3bml5ZiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/EYRC0Cg6lcTdn5Ubaf/giphy.gif

[mighty mica]

"fellow"

[lament sigil]

[lofty depot]

[slim pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-shut-this-down-over-done-finished-gif-15012540

[hazy storm]

3% aura buff today with a nerf to starsurge

[rancid sonnet]

haha class tuning is definitely coming today boys

[lofty depot]

Refrain from speaking ur mind

[rancid sonnet]

[mighty mica]

or just go to twitter

idc

[whole sundial]

What’s this wowhead post about our server shutting down LOL

[lofty depot]

Adept is on there

[fiery hull]

Atlest we are not doing healer damage 🙂

[lofty depot]

Can't go there, too much clout

[hazy storm]

Adept just makes fun of me on Twitter

I’m not safe there

[lofty depot]

It says should they not they are

Please read

[whole sundial]

Calm down kid

[cloud plover]

[lofty depot]

Learn to read dork

[cloud plover]

Calm down kid

[slim pelican]

Kinda of a dumb article to post on wowhead tbh

Like what’s the point

[whole sundial]

I learnt to read, I just was asking what the fuss was about then you wanted to act like a boomer.

[cloud plover]

Calm down kid

[earnest sage]

what is this ragebait 😭

[mighty mica]

just another reason to hate the rets for starting the "movement"

[formal crest]

Calm down kid

[fiery hull]

I love it, talking about our dmg and you cant even see us on the chart. 😂

[earnest sage]

HAHAHAH actually true

[atomic sand]

Personally, I changed classes. 🤣

[cloud plover]

weak

[hazy storm]

Tough times change people

The switch up is crazy

[tardy fiber]

imagine we get zero buffs, but blizz nerf feral 🐷

[hollow mist]

[cloud plover]

[atomic sand]

no just boomie dead

[cloud plover]

cope

[earnest sage]

hard cope

staying loyal to boom till it gets deleted

[whole sundial]

Chirping

[edgy sphinx]

As someone who switched to Boomie from a fury warrior end of S2 ..feels real bad.

[sick terrace]

Wtf is this cringe wowhead news

[river depot]

https://tenor.com/view/buggy-horse-and-buggy-big-bird-gif-18480278

[cloud plover]

wow players should crusade against the ret discord

[cloud plover]

for starting this shit

[whole sundial]

Doomers complaining

[edgy sphinx]

I viewed it as making fun of the ret pally players hahaha

[pallid bay]

you have no power silly mod

[cloud lion]

If they just revert nerfs to our 300m starsurges we would be fine

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-cat-gif-24663663

[cloud plover]

if they would just buff ec it would be fine

[tropic adder]

THIS FURVOLUTION HAS BEGUNETH

[jaunty blaze]

Damn

[cloud lion]

We have feathers

[jaunty blaze]

So many tourists in here suddenly

[tropic adder]

FURRY SLANDER WILL NOT BE TOLERATED, GIB ME BUFFS

[cloud plover]

[cloud lion]

Feral spy

[cloud plover]

did the feral get the wrong channel or

[lofty depot]

They're leaking over

[cloud plover]

sorry to hear that

[amber idol]

Shut it down

[tropic adder]

NO ONE PLAYS FERAL; ITS FAKE NEWS. WERE ALL BOOMIES HERE

[amber idol]

[lofty depot]

Mods gotta love this, wowhead just got us so much engagement

[mighty mica]

the worst kind of engagement

[lofty depot]

Tourism is up

[jaunty blaze]

[shadow kiln]

Where is the buff damnit

[jade flume]

Are we locking it up

[silver frigate]

What’s even funnier is that there are 1 or two classes below you chickens (also off screen)

[whole sundial]

Coming, I bet 6% ST inc

[earnest relic]

Guys if balance is bad just play feral

[merry ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/genius-think-be-clever-be-smart-gif-10617231

[hazy storm]

The only thing I wanna tour is the blizz class control room

[jaunty blaze]

Check overall damage then

[tropic adder]

No one cares about your starfall pad; were ST demons now

[strong bronze]

Bosses outisde fractilus and plexus sentinel exist , and we are mid

[formal crest]

Bunch of moronic bald idiots

[scenic mist]

@lofty depot

[proper dock]

Lmao

[lofty depot]

https://x.com/gamzdgg/status/1963955773714657575?t=aIR2aRPhdRux4gHYvH_xrg&s=19

Gamz (@gamzdgg)

Yes. Yes, we should.

https://t.co/TElFQpASlK

X · Sep 5, 2025, 1:21 PM

They got gamz

He's in trouble

Send help

[jaunty blaze]

Its over

[formal crest]

He’s always like that

[obsidian tapir]

lets do it ?

[lofty depot]

U do it

[wild dune]

https://tenor.com/view/slowpoke-pokemon-water-psychic-gif-7898037

[mighty mica]

yeah dont bother reading chat at all

[jaunty blaze]

The worst thing is

[wild dune]

monkey see wowhead article, monkey post wow article !

[jaunty blaze]

It wont be readable for days now

[indigo barn]

Its my turn to post this in 5 minutes ok?

[lofty depot]

See all u can "close the discord down" by just not typing

Crazy

[obsidian tapir]

I am a normal man dont have the power

[lofty depot]

Says the powerful

[trail heath]

Together monkeys strong

[whole sundial]

People have such sour moods in this discord, I think the 32 year olds need a mental break so shutting it down would be beneficial

[trail heath]

[vale gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-monke-monkey-solana-gif-1083438196585184560

[jaunty blaze]

I think the tourists looking for excitement should be gone

[scenic mist]

i didnt say anything tho

[violet wasp]

truu

[lofty depot]

I should troll, but it would be too toxic

And I'm reformed

[scenic mist]

[scenic mist]

i thought you were about toxic like bruce banner about angry

[lofty depot]

I'm toxic like Brittany spears

[scenic mist]

isnt she bald ?

are you ?

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-chips-ruffles-gif-14463196142116853520

[obsidian tapir]

she is still bald ?

[lofty depot]

Idk I'm not into pop culture

[scenic mist]

last time i checked (was 2005)

[tiny ridge]

yay

i did some dmg finally

[jaunty blaze]

Boxna to the rescue

[lofty depot]

That warlock has no hands

Jesus

[scenic mist]

you will drop eventually

keep on farming

[amber idol]

Guys is our tier set bugged? Sometimes I don’t even reach 3 stacks in between fury of elunes

[scenic mist]

3 days aint that big

[lofty depot]

Rng

Also, idk if ur capping while casting Starfire, but shrug

[tiny ridge]

why

[lofty depot]

He's 10 ilvls on u

[amber idol]

Also why is my toon doing less dps on some pulls than last season 26 ilvls ago

[lofty depot]

Skrill issue

[scenic mist]

10 more ilvl and same dps as balance

[wicked shuttle]

Good morning

[amber idol]

And why are DKs doing more than my CDs and lily trinket outside of their breath

[lofty depot]

Skrill issue

[scenic mist]

no buffs no good morning tho

[whole sundial]

It’s about goes now and not about mushroom incarn proc, you’ll do mid damage one pull and send 6 stacks with the next pull set bonus and do freaky damage

[amber idol]

I’ve never seen a 6 stack in my life

[lofty depot]

Definitely Skrill issue

[covert hedge]

Close the dc server pls KEKW

[tiny ridge]

we got buffed?

[jaunty blaze]

No

[lofty depot]

No

[tiny ridge]

Druid
Balance
Arcane and Nature damage increase in Moonkin Form increased to 35% (was 25%).

[normal otter]

mop

[jaunty blaze]

MoP

[tiny ridge]

ah

[lofty depot]

Doesn't read title of article

Tragic really

[misty vapor]

When i saw that wowhead post i was like finally

but they trolled us i believe

[tacit oriole]

Is there a 1 hour maintenance in 30?

[misty vapor]

they did it on purpose

[lofty depot]

Who's they

[misty vapor]

Blizz

[cloud plover]

I'll show u maintenance

[tiny ridge]

how do i use 2 active trinkets?

[round field]

You dont

[tiny ridge]

?

[tacit oriole]

Use it after the internal trinket cd, but typically you don’t want to

[indigo barn]

Surely that 1 dev left for classic has time to troll us

[scenic mist]

doesnt work well for boomy with current kotg set bonus

[misty vapor]

imma learn how to play feral lol

[tiny ridge]

saddly i have no passive trinmlket

I HAVE ZAPCAP BUT IS USELESS

[scenic mist]

insta delete

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[scenic mist]

lmao

[lofty depot]

Is ragebaiting banned now

Was that a thyme delete

I pray

[scenic mist]

should be

icba ppl posting year old tuning

[tiny ridge]

zap cap do more dmg aoe wtf

[scenic mist]

the setup you're simming in doesnt exists

[lucid olive]

same

[lofty depot]

Double on use is likely not being used well

[lucid olive]

its such an old bit at this point

[tiny ridge]

?

[scenic mist]

what is the sim setup ?

[tiny ridge]

5 bosses 2 min

[scenic mist]

yeah so as i was saying

[gentle scroll]

Good day to get buffed fellas

[tiny ridge]

so what should i sim

[scenic mist]

balance apl isnt made to work accuratly for this kind of setup

1t5m

[lofty depot]

He's in a 10 hitting. 5 mobs cuz his team died

[scenic mist]

or mdt sim

[tropic adder]

Yeah some feral buffs would be pretty sweet

[tiny ridge]

what is 1t5m

[scenic mist]

1target5min

[tiny ridge]

1 target 5 min

[mighty mica]

1 target 5 minute

[tiny ridge]

but i play keys tho

[gentle scroll]

nobody else here does

[jaunty blaze]

brother is doing it again

[harsh jungle]

Why would u play balance in keys?

[gentle scroll]

inting

[obsidian tapir]

she turned into an ai character

[tiny ridge]

ye sometiems i get kicked bcs im not feral

even 1 target i still have to play with zap cap

[lofty depot]

The same reason u would say feral in keys

[tiny ridge]

but the gem is changed to pure haste

[jade flume]

So no reason

[lofty depot]

That's because ur simming funny things

[tiny ridge]

?

you guys told me to sim 1t5min

[lofty depot]

That's not what's funny bud

U likely have shit checked and or not checked

And then rip a sim and it has some troll shit

Link the sim

[tiny ridge]

almost all gems are checked

[lofty depot]

See the check box for always use and max colors

And then go ahead and select a vers gen

And then go ahead and scroll up to the top near the weapon enchant

And take a picture

300k combos

[scenic mist]

someone wanna see a "remplace existing..."

[lofty depot]

Blud is fucked

Link ur sim

Ur not gonna be able to do this

[scenic mist]

i'm wondering what trinkets you're simming too

[lofty depot]

I said scroll up

[tiny ridge]

Only Max Colors is enabled but you may not have enough gem colors chosen.

[scenic mist]

yeah he told you to select a vers gem

.tick this

[lofty depot]

Wow that's crazy

Send ur 1t5m sim plz

Ur not gonna be able to sim it

U don't have the funds

[scenic mist]

excuse us EPIC USER

[lofty depot]

just need to snipe gamz login surely

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

@tiny ridge link sim

No

Link the sim

[jaunty blaze]

[tiny ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dX3ndwTZQ2WQmobPoyDpEc

i cant even sim that thing u said

i can only 300k combinations

[scenic mist]

yeah that's why he asked you to link the sim, he'll sim for you

he's just flexing his money

[tiny ridge]

so i will ask here someone to sim me all the time?

[jaunty blaze]

no

[scenic mist]

simming gems is overkill tbh

[lofty depot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sFJkQnzWkk6fYE8jmdgzaN

See u in an hour

Also u should enchant ur staff

[lofty depot]

I simmed the funny haste gem

Surely it's worse

[hazy storm]

Can I send you all of my raidbots to sim for me also?

[mighty mica]

no

[hazy storm]

Oh

[lofty depot]

I help the less fortunate sometimes

But I don't know their terms of service

[hazy storm]

Soul hunters prog is fun

You actually get to see yourself on meters

[jaunty blaze]

things unseen before

[hazy storm]

Haven’t seen myself on meters besides plexus

[jaunty blaze]

just check the always show yourself option

[hazy storm]

Smart

[severe hollow]

move to australia

so the meters are upside down

[hazy storm]

Arctic I saw you pump on Araz

Did you guys lust pull or dmg amp

[cloud plover]

our boomie enjoyed being top 1 fract dps of our raid this week

[lofty depot]

I can fix that

[scenic mist]

do like me, only show boss dmg, always see yourself

[jaunty blaze]

damage taken

hmm

[cloud plover]

I like ur name

[hazy storm]

Go on

[scenic mist]

ennemy damage taken

[lofty depot]

Log reviewwwwew

[hazy storm]

Oh no

Can I fix my Frac parse next week first

[lofty depot]

I can help u fix it

[hazy storm]

Sure

[scenic mist]

proc more

[ocean sapphire]

Naur

[hazy storm]

Go away

Feral sighting

[lofty depot]

(I 70 parsed cuz I played defensive)

[ocean sapphire]

[lofty depot]

Or am shit

One of the 2

[crude void]

The Top 1 mythic bdruid log was still the 7th in that hunter kill

[cloud plover]

did u forget to turn off bear form for half the fight

[lofty depot]

Wow xd

[jaunty blaze]

it was so good for a while

[molten sandal]

Maybe the moon cycle just wasn't in your favor. Fits thematically

[lucid olive]

damn i havent seen taht before that is so funny hee hee

[lofty depot]

True

[lucid olive]

shut it down fellers !!

[lofty depot]

Yar

[hazy storm]

I saw your Twitter post

You won’t do it

[cloud plover]

mod abuse?

[lofty depot]

He has no power

Shut him down

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle they are no ballsing

[hazy storm]

Dwilkz guild is also insane so makes sense

[molten sandal]

That being said, that Wowhead article was just downright cruel

[hazy storm]

My guilds a normie guild so I can look good on meters

[cloud plover]

it says combat it was expected

[mighty mica]

wish i knew someone in wowhead to get that article taken down

[jaunty blaze]

too late

the word got out

[mighty mica]

most brain dead post

[crude void]

Just saying that to put balance’s maximum power in perspective

[real flax]

huh

[wicked shuttle]

would have to get through the legalese (thyme)

[cloud plover]

I love clickbait ragebait

[scenic mist]

is that a vietnamese hero spec ?

[cloud plover]

gotta make money somehow there

[jaunty blaze]

bruh

[jade drift]

tbh i dont even get annoyed to that post

if it works, its worth

[mighty mica]

(it doesn't)

[amber idol]

It’ll work

[wicked shuttle]

it's more just a joke

[jaunty blaze]

its more the funny ppl it attracts that are annoying

[wicked shuttle]

it doesnt actually do anything

[real flax]

low quality bait

[wicked shuttle]

im surprised anybody takes it seriously

[lofty depot]

Wowhead has reach

Wcyd

[real flax]

when is gonna be the next class tuning

[lucid olive]

Surely the Reddit crowd has a good reaction to that post

[jaunty blaze]

who knows

[hazy storm]

We love Reddit

[lofty depot]

When the next person ragebaits surely

[real flax]

great

[lucid olive]

this guy on wowhead was funny

[wicked shuttle]

that's a banger

[crude void]

There you go

[lofty depot]

Wow thanks funny man

Buffs incoming

[earnest relic]

They should not buff balance just for enterteiment of everyone else

[real flax]

they should nerf balance instead

[hazy storm]

Just play turtle wow and have good class balance

[earnest relic]

Hell yeah brother

[severe hollow]

[heady sentinel]

Kekw?

[pallid bay]

thyme has no power..

[real flax]

That shitty server is living on borrowed time, just like its scammer of an administrator.

[pallid bay]

[jade flume]

Wth is turtle woe

[proven light]

10 boses

[whole sundial]

Twow baby

[lucid olive]

the future

[lofty depot]

@turtle42

[hazy storm]

It was a joke guys I’m sorry

[pallid bay]

he's been relegated to AI complainer

[hazy storm]

I don’t support turtle wow

[wicked shuttle]

make sure you subscribe to turtlewow and buy stuff from their in game store!

[lucid olive]

discord web user

ew

[wicked shuttle]

theyve been around for years

[severe hollow]

make sure to buy unban requests

[real flax]

elysium type shit

[whole sundial]

Give all your money to twow so they can unreal engine the entire game sooner before they get shut down..

[tiny ridge]

ye druid is unplayable

[rancid sonnet]

[whole sundial]

That’s skill issue bro floor pov

[real flax]

dungeon issue not yours

[royal zenith]

close down the channel

[real flax]

don't worry

[royal zenith]

things HAVE to change

we had enough

[scenic mist]

[wicked shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-simply-a-difference-in-skill-frog-dancing-skill-gif-21877908

[lofty depot]

An imposter

[real flax]

brave goat

[royal zenith]

I do respect the daily "bamkin is really bad" screenshots of him being dead

[hazy storm]

Ok gg boomies see you another day I must go work

[royal zenith]

there's some tenacity there

[real flax]

boss beam class issue tuning needed asap

[royal zenith]

send help

[lofty depot]

Think there's other words I have in mind

[proven light]

i have alts, thats alters form pvp only

[royal zenith]

yes cause you're an evil person