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@lofty depot
@lofty depot
@lofty depot
@ mods I'm being harassed
@lofty depot
time to rebrand
@grok what is going on
Class sucks and its somehow arctics fault
Probably a good one no?
Ya
ye
Think I'm not him?
LOL
and then thought it should work based on some of our pulls
@lofty depot
but when nobody dies
Yea most kills are under 5m
it does not
Yea if u have death maybe grove fine
so i completely fricked myself
but also
you could argue i played for most dmg within enrage limit
soo..
Speaking of which
Is it better to have convoke proc dryad buff or surge then convoke
in what scenario?
Amp
the araz amp?
Yeee, I would assume that getting more surges was better
And not have convoke proc it
Yessem
Oh hell nah.
He use very cool tech to log spell casts
convoke 379, a single surge..
I grow to dislike this class more daily
Oh
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YgQwkeEy3s2vjJmtGQS6fdvTZtfYlf9VBBcTQbjuDHM/edit?usp=sharing
LOL
1/2000 though right?
shiiii
1/1000
Dam
i think it prolly doesnt matter much
Hmm, this is problem
same odds than for you to r1 Loomithar
see, everything happens
Nah, I'm him
actually if you have moonfire on all mobs its 0/1000
Gonna r1 again
the thing is that you can press starfall end of intermission still to kill the little fucker adds
and then you are likely out of ap
so just convoking is easier
also means higher boat for convoke
I sent 2 during ca
need someone to test this 1000 times
Is this to not Starfall during voke or what
because you can overcap from convoke alone
Yeah I never have enough ap after tree unless I hold dps
Prob
but idk why you waited for starfall until inside CA
ye it can only proc 1 starfall
and then just send double wrath or something
and i assume it cant proc if up
Dont use big and starfall in the same sentence please
?
the circle do be big
but i dont think it matters much either way#
Is this a discord for those kids in high school that sat in the back with shirts that didnt fit and sniffed markers?
That's massive numbys
I am just hating on starfall for being shet this season
I believe the term is "burners"
pressing CA procs a Starfall too
keeper of the groove viable in m+?

i believe these are phones used by spies and drug dealers
waiting for the "going live with resets here is some class tuning" 
Show up and move, get down with the Keeper of the Groove 




is not the same though
blocked..
well no idea because one mage was getting far left and other one was getting far right
but that might just be coincidence
mages just get "far"
man I see a discord noti, get excited, open app, see it's dreamgrove, assume resto, then see it's balance, fucking finally someone is asking me for moonkin advice, no actually you're just bald
yea sure but i play evoker and i got far right and right and not single one for yellow which is left
but that also might be just pure rng
opinion on cancel starlord with convoke .. maybe even with CA?
every time I tried to sim it has made 0 difference
the importance of starlord is a little overrated in general I think
kyrian wrong venthyr wrong nightfae wrong necrolord wrong convoke wrong incarn wrong toxic wrong slimy wrong shadowflame wrong bsl wrong mdt sims wrong dungeon slice wrong compendium wrong icyveins wrong sims wrong apl wrong pulsar wrong cancelaura wrong starlord wrong
ashi found the google doc
idk sometimes i just open it back
and go into a fury
this just makes me so happy
Just know arcane mage has better starlord
The best sim for me so far on balance was to reroll
my ele shaman has veteran track delve trinket and sims 400k more
Well that means boomie should get a nerf next tuning
Hope ele gets hit with a bat
gut the beasts
Probably true.. it's just mostly "free" to do so cause these scenarios you are guaranteed to build it back up
Tfw liquid magma totem is part of ST rotation
Yea, needs to be shut down
Current ele shaman is peak class design
Imagine your cds lining up
Can't be boomkins
dont let your cds control you
What do you mean boomkin can 99 parse a gray lock log what is that if not peak?
Lining it up at bottom of the meters
This is where he says skill diff cause he beat some grey parser
Bottom of huh?
removing starlord and rattle and taking foe + rm + UI is like 5.5% loss
its sizable but like
Do I need to post the pic again?
the way people talk about Starlord youd think its some giga massive stuff

This is the first time I've been playing balance since Shadowlands, so is this my fault?
even when Max was getting his DH level boosted he was talking shit about moonkins
cause the booster was a moonkin
"look how dumb that chicken looks with his hands up in the air"
the ret fixation didnt last long enough
Tettles hasn't played balance since df
So no, not ur fault
Half the regulars (not orange) haven't played balance
that aged like milk
i'm actually having fun with the playstyle, which makes me sad. i feel like once i hit 3k i need to make an alt though. getting invites into pugs has become more and more difficult
What if the dev hates tettles
or i just need to main resto for a while, which ugh

Super excited to see the unannounced Boomie buffs that are definitely coming with reset 
yall boomkins dont know the suffering of what it's like to be filipino an outlaw rogue

isn't outlaw a new-ish concept anyway?
come back when you're lamenting combat rogues losing their swirly
Combat rogue was cooler
Mental illness isnt "new-ish"
combat rogue is lamented by arthritic 50 year olds who lost the kid in the divorce
no one cares
𫵠š¹
STAND DOWN YOU FURRY

when feral is good and all the moonkin tourists show up and dominate the long time feral players (not me i'm bad)
Got enough melee degens in my guild

Boomkin fine
Im not going into that pile
i started doing WQ this morning in feral, so I'm sort of an expert now
boss dmg
yea, nah. its just like these two things are super easy and macroable. thats why i thought about trying em out
only relevant metric
30 points ahead with a whole more boss kill is wild btw 
wcyd
unlucky
tww - tettles was wrong
good luck on vaults, i guess? maybe there will be a slot that has a class buff in it
Need a preview
@wicked shuttle that's crazy
Since u know left isnt happening
like a belt with "+15% druid Aura"
this is actually goated
thats the meme
Its felt so clunky for me, that was one of the main reasons in dropped ele shammy this season
Its not clunky at all
theres one boomkin main in top 5 whos the only feral thats killed 7/8 bosses btw
i'll take credit (but its actually from growl, he dropped it on the bench)
the podcast ?
socket to ~me~ you!
ye
all i hear is you yappin'
Yes officer this man right here

not getting agi weapons in my vault when i have a myth track int weapon
i got lucky
signet HUGE 
ez myrh track legs
Vault is cooked, o7
free real estate
should the buffs be up shortly?.... surely?....
this may be a stupid question but how did you get that format for vault
Simulate your weekly Great Vault rewards in World of Warcraft. Calculate tier piece probabilities, preview loot options, and see exactly how your weekly activities affect vault outcomes.
your thing is bricked
haha was nto far off
2 items correct
i entered Nexus King and got 714 loot
ty forl inking that
Do i take bracers, i simed it, does this mean i craft a 720 belt then š¤
prism good for dimmy 
Bracers from vault sound like a choice
i'm actually wondering
not sure how timers work on dimmy
Hmm, did the weekly gilded ethereal crests not go up for some reason? shows me at 270/270 but runed is 360 cap
but as i'm the furthest advanced feral on dimmy i can't check what others did š
was shit vault, also simed the highest at 30k
depends if you hold for long between 3rd set of cds and 4th
3min/phase basically
spire wouldnt be too bad if i didnt already have a 720 crafted
but bracers has a socket as well
you send 2min on pull, end of p1, and end of p2.1, then bank until p3 amp
so that'd be araz/araz/araz/prism/araz
An another week on this dogshit patch 
but idk if full stacked prism is worth not having a real passive trinket the whole fight, as you could just araz on the amp and it'd already be very good
Now compare that to a 704 craft and using gilded on good items
ill compare a crafted 704 and 720 bracers, but the myth bracers has a socket
Yea, but so do u if u take it out of vault
man why must vaults be so bad smh
I only have 3 myth track slots cause I couldnāt be bothered to run keys this week, excited to go home and take socky
Emnithy is not locked
just kinda feels depressing taking the 6 tokens for socket early on for vaults where you could get another myth track smh
Tis the name of the game
at least sockey doesnt cost you gilded
this week you get craft + vault + potential hm + potential raid loot
absolutely bricked
on crests
"TRASH! TRASH! TRASH! TRASH!"
Also never ran hard mode once cba to sit 2 hours in a dungeon
hm actually kinda fun
Take not 2 hours
Emnithy also didn't do kyveza ??
Nope
So make sense
just invite a rogue and skip all the trash
tier head good tho?
masasive vault boys
eh its fine but should be easy enough to get from 1st boss in mythic raid
Until it doesnāt drop for 4 weeks in a row
if it was shoulder, gloves or chest i'd be real happy
yea i mean
I need those fuck
when are you gonna get that head to catalyze
Gotta kill it first smh
So are balance buffs
time to not parse with them haha
Yea that's the parse right there
is it really?
gloves drop from soulbinder, free loot.
shoulders drop from loom
L
Blud got no kicks
W
running around barefoot
Like god intended
I hope you walk get useful pieces in your vault
None of this "it'll be good once I have a catalyst charge next week" shit
is double on use trinket feasible this tier? looking at myth track priory signet in vault but I already have araz forge
not really
I mean,...., it's not poggers
Not really
Last tier was good cuz weapon was good
but we also do not have any good way of proving it
This tier you don't have any spare charges of CA to use a second trinket with
simming balance is a nightmare
Where buff
Second surge window ? Is that enough time for cd ?
you have trees with pants too?
It's 30s cd right
can barely buff the two surges at the end if you do the very slow double
Yeah no way itās worth it over antenna
In raid it's giga no double on use
its 20s, no?
heroic spire or myth track shoulder tier 
Spire is shit
Why would u want hero spire
Haste mastery ugly stats
because I hate myself
When u should have weapon crafted
Sacbrood is shit
sacbrood eww
Compared to antenna everything is shit tbh
Isnāt it ok for m+
Don't want that either kek
@lofty depot so pretty much i take the socket and just craft 720 bracers?
dont you disrespect my boy nexus kings command
Isn't it worse in m+ cause you need a target for the spiders to be on or
how come?
i already have 704 bracers with the mast haste
Cuz bracers are shit stats and u can send gilded in better slots
like? belt?
The only option in that vault is shoulders
Yea but those don't have embells on them now do they
but they got sppeeeeeed
I was just reading vault 
can the Interloper's Reinforced Sandals be made with a catalyst with other heroic boots?
Doubt
any reason why tempered potion dont work with incarn+trinket macro? Was working earlier this season but not anymore. Havent changed anything
i mean sure the bracers dont, but is it worth sending the crafting spark for the 704 one over like a 720 crafted belt that can also be emblished
Different tier of potion?
using same potions as allways
Where are our buffs?
too many balance players getting orange+ parses no need for buffs
wait a second

my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Well it's a sim question, but I have 3-4 slots I can push gilded into that aren't my bracer
fair
Orange parses compared to other class grey isn't poggers
tf do I do with this shit fr
^
Time to reroll to ele shaman?
Yes
so I guess I just go socket then
Well, sorry. If u have this season socket already in it no
makes sense ty
Like if u have 704 + socket and recraft stats it's fine
But 684 socket into new season item, no
is raidbots down?
only if you're poor it seems
First tuesday huh?
epic sub are running
whats the diff between a normal sub and epic sub
exclude the trinkets from the generic trinket1/trinket2 actions and make new ones specifically for them (there is an example currently in for imperfect ascendancy serum)
Mine aren't running and I'm an epic sub as well. 
oh I opened in incognito and I can reach the site
p sure I'm on epic sub
nvm can't login lmao
usually like that right after servers come up
Ye its just traffic
Even if you have epic sub
If there are 10k epic subbers in que
Youre in que
We open vault as feral?
Ele shaman
nah there's some issues with raidbots getting enough servers from google atm
to do that i have to go fetch the base apl in git and just run through expert ?
it's ok you'll still be bottom dps with the new vault item anyways
you mean advanced but yes
indeed
gg shitty vault no buff, any other games I could play? 
or well, you could just put the new apl in the custom apl thing as well
but you wouldnt be able to compare
to default
in the same sim
I meant to click feral, but i was in balance.. Which would you take for balance? (paired with either a 704 signet or lilly)
Parapodia is okay for M+
welc
Tell raidbots to limit balance druid prompts, why do u need to know ur bottom and adding gear not gonna change that
join me brother
nice sockets!
I'm prob just gonna never open balance again to avoid those trinkets
parapodia is just the best out of these easily
the rdruid channel was saying open as balance to avoid the bad healing trinkets
a 723 crit/haste ring is only a 3k increase over my 704 mast/haste
as if there arent feral trinkets as well
i avoided nothing
LMAO
No mastery is bad, haste is bad
it's called cope ok
i don't believe you
You should
Balance opens as feral to avoid weapons
And bad trinkets
i have the 720 staf crafte should i go for this staff
Ok dont
everyone says to trust the sims, but is the sim lying?
myth helm or sockets lol
3400 haste haver
Really?
Why u need haste
starfire spam?
It's not a flawless solution but theoretically reduces the number of dead options you could hit
big diffy much wow
Oh ok i will try
cant get parapodia as feral tho
But spark items
and i want it
Just run eco more :^)
Choo fhoo
oh are we only doing ST KoTG now?
Yea lock in
to get another one on hero?
Be the highest boss dam and look like ur useful >
but i'm not useful, i'm a thundercock
Tragic
Although EC soul hunters my m+ haste set is like 3 ilvls lower than st set
Cuz I don't have the haste neck and cba farming last item
whoa whoa whoa, i thought you said haste bad
well call me tiny tim
simply always be positioned correctly
Call u broke back billy
i don't think they use a crutch in that
patience is a virtue
is opening as feral really better
can everyone stop simming im tryin get the robot to tell me what to put on
real
maid costume
SO TRUE
u dont need to sim, ur sim under lock and ele
its fine
was really hoping for a ST buff today.... copium is real
pog
I have a normal kris atm w/ crafted OH. delve belt obvs. wep upgrade right?
but thats also my bis
i meannnn miss be ever taking normal anything from vault
it's heroic wep
I have one from normal from raid already
the main question is like is the belt upgrade sim bait or real? is the delve belt being simmed accurately?
i'm in a long q w/ everyone doing their vaults rn will post. 2 weeks ago it was telling me belt was simming higher than a 40 ilvl trinket upgrade to myth Parapodia
fair, ya I use my ST KOTG build for generic sims
why crafted oh bruv?
bc i took the bait instead of doing a staff š
depends on what you want, hey?
have u or they considered maybe the trinket is bad and the belt is good
trinket, ring neck
doubt it
ok, what trinket
clanker
thoughts of levels of never punished?
loom mythic or araz heroic
do you actually wanna pick that for soul hunters?
maybe I just take one of these garbonzo trinkets to save gilded for when I eventually get another myth trink

instead of big 714 belt
i mena
ty for this incredibly insightful post what would i do w/o you
shit was gonna tkae a picture of blet on pleux
or gloves
belt isnt tha big
both of those are off of first and second boss
like why am i taking those
here all day
Would anyone be willing to take a look at a log? doing something terribly wrong in raid with kotg but im too dumb to know what (99% of the time im doing keys and play elune)
thats r1 soulhunters surely
surely
I MEANNNNNNNNN IM LOCKED IN
post it dwag
ring is just useless in raid
maybe can get you an uprade on a better ring
but like
investing crests in this thing now
dont worry ill figure this out before raid
seems kinda weirdge
its just heroic plexus, im not doing mythic atm.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JaWbjcrBDgqtF6Qn?fight=49&type=damage-done&source=3
cant even sim my apl stuffs .. shits fked
are u mainly doing m+
yes
very unpracticed with keeper and also i hate it
dotting at the end there yucky
where surges at end?
assume u got mechanics
press wildcharge?
dont press trees at the end of eclipse
we dont send that ca like that
u dont need to press on cd
u hold til 2m with convoke always
macro vigil to ca and stop thinking about it
also side note because ur likely doing this in m+ too cuz brain
u dont need ot enter eclipse prior to pressing cds
New copium, class tuning not out cause blizz can't run the sims to test it
notlikethis
are we really not getting buff again this week when we should have gotten them last week?
ye really
Labor day is a thing
TY for this. overall bad play lol. yikes. also how bad are the stats for keeper. doing heroic i cant be bothered to actively get 2 sets going but i will if i go into M
They just had holiday, half of them probably took today off too
i mena, the diff in haste to crit/vers is like 2%
u got bigger issues
uhhhhh guys am i locked?
LILY OR CRYSTASL!??!1
MAGE MAIN?
I smell a mage
chill out
Go against the norm and take crystal and push rankings
I wonder if I should craft wrists or belt with embelish to boost the crafted staff. Yeah yeah I will sim, was just curious to have general output.
i mean you have answered yourself already
bracer 704
but ye sending gilded on bracers currently kinda silly
but ye sending gilded on bracers currently kinda silly
Mythc lyiy or heoric antenna?
mythic lily not farmable hc antenna is
make of that what you will
cause we can get haste/mastery wrists from dongeons/vault, but no belt
I have my sims pushing me to more vers as opposed to crit or haste. Has something changed in our stat weights?
clanker we have issue
hands 1.5, boots 1.2
ring nottttttttttttttt good... 0.5 and 1.2 in ec
what ofc its not
can you reset a boss with Wrath+Shadowmeld?
how would heavy hastge ring even be good
its not gooder in ec either
maybe i borke it
nah raidbots gotta be actin funny
ring my bis
im still using 681 wrists that i was going to recraft this week. do we like signet for m+ or raid or do we jusst prefer lily?
signet and lily about equal for raid i think lily is better for m+
but robot knows
ok, i just like lilys cd better >_<
Use it then king
my lily is hero tho, and was gona craft wrists. so im hesitant. guess i can craft something else lol
tyty
Buffs when
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next week for sure

the delve belt is better than anything you can get from dungeons
boots? you mean belt? also wth ping me. i dont read all this shit (just sometimes)
If you carry someone who needs the io you get more I think
or it used to be that way
the goto for valor might be the memories still?
but idk
lock in clanker
uhhh ytea boots
belt is shit
screw I'll just do "easy keys"
no way you pick boots
i mannnnn i dont pick hands either dawg
do you not have soul hunter boots either?
oh
need to check other mystic peoples hands
yea, no way im picking boots from vault
see how many mythics we have
so i cna minmax my raid gear u know
I haven't seen leather boots drop yet... lots of the others though
Can I blacklist dawnbreaker from my vault
Please and thanks
Shit dungeon
and i still think the crest save on hands is worth something
more than having ring for a single boss
Why would u ever take boots. As soon as you get soul hunters boots you're -1 vault
i wouldnt
What are u taking
I sim higher tho
doubt
yea seek hgelp
stinky
spit rat
just take hands
I would rather change specs than sit on bench whole tier
ez
Why tf is Ur m+ vault not full week 3 btw
Spend less time on discord and fill that shit
i was doing stuff this weekend
Can you only play on weekend or what
WHY AM I BEING PRESSED BY SOME RATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Bro couldn't find 4 hours all week
Playing for guild = rat or what
Hi. Is there a maximun amount of mastery (soft cap/dimishing returns) for a m+ build. Almost all my sim for upgrades the last week told me to use more pieces with haste on them?
no
If I was playing for guild I wouldn't be playing boomkin
how is balance lower than aug in raid stats and no tuning....
technically there are yes but sim tells you if its an upgrade or no
tettles need to get things moving lol
The Americans get like 1 or 2 vacation days per year, i will grant them this slight delay
Precisely
im gooning now
just in m+
idk if its worth even simming, myth track helm ( I have heroic ) with socket already
2 slots š
Well Aug buffs the best classes and we don't get motw augmented so
Yee
why did that belt drop at 714 in vault
oh nvm it scales w/ kills
no later bosses drop upgraded items
no just this tier
we take these i guess
Well no I took the helmet
Still no antenna

Probably belt craft this week
I got nothing else to craft
push harder
Hello, I have a question regarding the balance of druid stats. What are the appropriate percentages and, after what percentage, should I no longer increase more than one stat?
That's not how we think about stats. U generally want mastery + X
And u sim the X
Question - is Keeper of the Grove still the go to for raid? Looking at wowhead and archon and one says Keeper, other says Elune
yes
remove custom apl
You can play whatever you like
Look at warcraft logs and see what people are running
is keeper bad i thought it was supposed to be close
thanks
It actually doesn't change anything
well it clearly bricked the sim
accurate representation of his performance
your APL doesn't have lines for EC
it just has the KOTG apl
so it doesn't do anything
Correct I cba
I uhh blame clanker
Boys and girls I think itās time we shut this discord down to get our buffs
zzz
Ur opinion is noted and thrown into the trash, thanks for coming
Paladin detected opinion rejected
not balance related but how can i disable waning twilight, mushrooms and such above target health bar?
only want moonfire and sunfire to show up
on plater that is
Blacklist the id
Don't do me like that
Yea like 0.1% kek
Aight
Sell a few m+ justify my gold spend kek
Sockets + drops from reclears
If u didn't get anything that means ur guild did
when class changessssss
Which means u get gear from raid

Search the name
yes
Interloper's or something
it doesnt have the reshi stats
it has regular stats
for a regular items
no %
increase
it definitely has in top gear

surely they arent better than hero boots..
surely
dont make me do lfr
wouldnt get the boots anyway
and they are better aaah
50k
whats that
number go up
50k for kekkers is like 20% increase
me dumb
nintendo?
useless
its actually one of the chinese knock offs
pretty sure you simmed wrong btw
what does your boots say
track n effect %
if i crafted a 2H already but i got a 1h mythic dagger, is it an option to craft a offhand and use the mythic 1H at 723
you gotta select like lower vet track and then upgrade it manually
oh
its stupid
yea
sim says its a small upgrade but not sure if thats worth wasting the crests/sparks i used
raidbots be stupid like that
I DID
did you sim it with the embelishments?
it also doesnt fully upgrade
at veteran its 20% effect
yea, kinda hard to justify this early in the season
if you didnt get anything else
and dont have stuff to spend crests on
yeah its like 25k dps but would basically waste 2 sparks and 60 gilded
its fine tho
uhhh
you might need to use droptimizer
select it at 4/8 veteran
it works for that
it also works in top gear
add it at 4/8
and then upgrade the thing you added
worked for me
but yea its shit
idk what your goals are for the season n stuff
It's good yes, so u can sim crafting OH vs upgrading ur wrists to 704 now
And see which Sims better
forgeweaver nerfs in but no class tuning?
like if you raid mythic, then you will be crafting the OH eventually, so if you do not have other stuff to upgrade this week, then its fine
wuh oh
gotcha ty
and if your focus is m+ but you raid mythic, then you would want the staff off soulbinder
so then i wouldnt pick the mh
its my alt but i can bring it in at the end of the tier when we're done with CE
you have shit boots, do you?
for me its 0.1% worse than my current 704
i already have the 1H from hm tazzy and got a useless vault so was considering options
I lack valorstones to upgrade so
mhm yeah same if I were to get 4/6 it's 0.1 too
How is this even possible
Oh kekkers
Māapologies

we play keeper in st?
Yes
is there a good plater profile that tracks when mobs dont have moonfire
or can i add it to jundies somehow
if yes tell me how because i am low iq
Jundies wonāt because itās colour coded for mob type iirc
Maybe ur just low vision and not low iq
But there may be a way to override it based on that
Consulting the council. I've got hero antenna and myth sacbrood in vault. Antenna currently simming slightly higher in ST. Is there any case in AoE/M+ that the sacbrood might be worth taking?
Eyes > iq
No
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cool
they said they are done with trinket tuning



was that always the case



