balance

[delicate perch]

people are wild with that

[vital hound]

bro was like

https://tenor.com/bXa1K.gif

[iron chasm]

I just started bear forming every single spread because of our suicidal players

Hell on earth

[cunning basin]

i just dont like summoning treeants not very class fantasy for me personally haha, i like laser beams from the sky so elune feels better haha

[lofty depot]

cringe

[delicate perch]

i just dont like summoning treeants not very class fantasy for me personally haha, i like laser beams from the sky so elune feels better haha

[vital hound]

treeants should be the correct spelling

[vital hound]

im blaming the circle terrorists on my 14 parse for sure

[gleaming kiln]

Class tuning waiting room

[digital berry]

Keep on waiting lil buddy

[desert talon]

Hi guys! Returning boomkin player here. Are we cooking in raid now?

[vestal bone]

🙂

[gleaming kiln]

Better delete the character @desert talon

[open harbor]

you better retire again

[gleaming kiln]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/44

[desert talon]

Wait! What happened to my beloved laser chicken?

[gleaming kiln]

Tier set bullshit

[desert talon]

I heard we were blasting in PTR

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/angle-grinder-pizza-black-pizza-dark-side-pizza-gif-13448369946787042023

the cooking

[desert talon]

😂

[magic hound]

Look how thy massacred my boomie💔😭

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-shocked-fried-gif-11776989

[next bison]

When simming as balance, is it okay to just sim patchwork and assume the same results for AOE? or should I be doing something other than that?

Just seen on dreamgrove ST is fine

Nevermind :)

[fringe fiber]

Do i use 2 stacks of dryads favor that came from first CA in second CA and 2 more stacks at the end? so in total 4 stacks of dryads favor in a single CA on opener? Im just not sure im understanding opene on compendium correctly

[scenic mist]

readers taking our jobs

[scenic mist]

yes you do

[lucid olive]

yes

Just seen your next message

Nevermind 🙂

[scenic mist]

readers take our job
and Gamz stops reading
is this real world ?

[lucid olive]

i never done any reading

i vibe

[scenic mist]

clearly the superior move

[true viper]

ods of class tuning tomorrow at reset

[tawdry trellis]

0%

[proper sinew]

0

[scenic mist]

not even in Ω

[proper sinew]

I’d love to be proven wrong

[wicked shuttle]

amen

[livid zephyr]

Yo big T no moonkin buffs have been announced. What happened?

You promised we woudl get buffs

[lucid olive]

<@&114146878353833984>

damn you removed it gg

[wicked shuttle]

ya

busy reading about no buffs

[lucid olive]

tagged mod to see the huge deal

[wary tendon]

guess blizz took the week off

[polar marlin]

Now my money got nerfed too, thanks mods

[wicked shuttle]

gotta keep it for myself

[loud kettle]

U were too slow

I pinged first...

[lofty depot]

It's Labor Day

It's specifically the time to take work off

[lucid olive]

anti reader gang

just do a whole lotta writing

[vital hound]

objection.. sustained...

[dry compass]

we need at least 5 more long-form posts about how the spec needs buffs

and the outrageous injustice being done

[dense steeple]

someone give me the soleah sim input

i cant find it

[dense steeple]

no no i want to sim them all at once

[lucid olive]

shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type_override=crit

copy="vers"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type_override=versatility

copy="haste"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type_override=haste

copy="mastery"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type_override=mastery```

in advanced

[dense steeple]

ty

[void marsh]

do we play kotg in any dungeons?

streets maybe?

[lofty depot]

streets maybe, but pugs just dont pull enough usually

[dense steeple]

if you want to

[void marsh]

not really

[dense steeple]

then dont!

ez as

[void marsh]

depends

[dense steeple]

no one will shit on you for playing EC in keys

[void marsh]

im actually not a huge fan of kotg but if it were the best hero talents for m+ then i would 100% play that

im just a simple men who likes dps more than anything 🙂

[lofty depot]

then why consider it

keeper wasnt the play in top last season

dont see why it would be the play in streets this season

[dense steeple]

true

[lucid olive]

people think that just because keeper is better in ST with raid talents

it makes it better in ST with m+ talents

wasnt the case last season and isnt the case this season either

in ST with m+ talents the differences are minimal

[void marsh]

im asking bc in the top 50 boomies, 6 of em are playing kotg

thats why

as of now atleast, yesterday 20 of them were playing kotg

which made me think kotg was the play for a certain dung

[lucid olive]

it doesn't really matter which one you play tbh

[dense steeple]

play what youre good at and blast

[lucid olive]

if there's any key where KOTG can work its streets

but its not because of low pull count packs

[dense steeple]

heres me playing EC (something i didnt do last season at all)

[lucid olive]

Streets has a lot of waiting time between sections to let your CDs get back

but overall the choice is pretty insignificant

[craggy sonnet]

how did you deduce that?

[void marsh]

murlok.io

[craggy sonnet]

i dont think thats reliable

unless the key was being logged

its probably tracking them logging out in raid spec

[lofty depot]

its week 3 of m+. the meta is unknown, the tuning is chaning, and classes are changing

until 11.2.5 u can play w.e. u wnat

[delicate perch]

I know the meta (not sharing)

[lucid olive]

ye

one of the murlok.io treant users

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

LOCK IN

[lucid olive]

thats definitely just logging out in raid talents

[lofty depot]

hmm what boss do i use that on

[lucid olive]

gallywix

[lofty depot]

lol

[lucid olive]

fr those are gally talents

prob works on like forgeweaver or some shit too

but maybe not now

the crit dam talent too good

[vital hound]

oh lord

[dreamy kiln]

im thinking of going KOTG for streets, my dps there is awefull

[upper anvil]

i dont think tahts the move, just stick with EC

[dreamy kiln]

kk

[delicate perch]

bro did NOT scroll up like 10 messages

[lofty depot]

is this big dam or?

thats like double a gem

this big

[craggy sonnet]

gotta sell your mastery well

[delicate perch]

"yeah I have mastery as highest but I do tank damage please give)

[loud kettle]

~0.3% or so ye

[lofty depot]

so i need more of them

[delicate perch]

pre sure it's a limit of 1

[loud kettle]

yea..

[stone ledge]

well we got fract down, super mad i botched my cds at 4:45 tho

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PYyqdFGvn7akZBQg?fight=29&type=damage-done roast me up artic i cant even remember if i held my trees for start of eclipse i was so out of it

[left kraken]

why is this trinket simming more than signet ? bloodmallet shows it 3rd on use and way better than essence gorger https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gE9xeYVQXMYVzMDoZxvcfm

[normal pilot]

don't use bloodmallet for balance druids

[formal marsh]

Bloodmallet is based

[mighty mica]

incorrect

[vital hound]

The only based about bloodmallet is that it is always wrong

Consistently dogwater

[cerulean light]

Its also probably cause your highest stat is haste which makes signet dog shit

[vital hound]

Signet also kinda beans

[wicked shuttle]

im surprised if this is true

do you have sources

[blazing thicket]

where do i get vers/crit rings and neck

i got 600 vers and 4k crit

i feel like i need to get something

if i got 25k haste and mastery, is it better for me to play elunes chosen in raid or still kotg?

since my stats are terrible for kotg

resto MS and dont got gear for kotg

[upper anvil]

Kotg probably besides soul hunters

I was doing fine numbers with mainly mastery and haste

[blazing thicket]

mine didnt feel fine. unless fine means top 5 lowest dps most pulls. still one of the top bursts but long term...

mythic forgemaster as boomy is rough but also was doing the typhoon thing and whatnot, maybe im just not min maxing my dps enough with the mechanics since im a resto main

[upper anvil]

I mean i had less crit and verse then you i believed before I tried to get some crit and verse gear

[blazing thicket]

you had less than 600 vers?

this is the lowest ive been

[upper anvil]

Nah. Crit. Verse is probably not that high. Don't remember exactly amounts

But i was mainly 26-29k mastery with like 16k haste

[blazing thicket]

i did the stat weight check, everything is around 50 to 55, including int. but haste is at 25

[wicked shuttle]

stat weight checks are pretty bad

should use top gear

but yeah

haste is like

[blazing thicket]

i know stat weights arent the best to look at since it changes with every stat, but it being that low per haste is super problematic

[wicked shuttle]

pretty bad for KOTG ST

[blazing thicket]

i assume i need to drop like 10k haste, i got 25k

[wicked shuttle]

oh yeah

so haste is just generically good for EC

[blazing thicket]

just said i need 16k? my thought was pretty spot on than lol

[normal pilot]

just play EC then you can feel good about having haste

[wicked shuttle]

bc youre spamming Starfire

but it's just unusable for KOTG

you only want haste from your tier pieces rlly

[blazing thicket]

i dont, i just MS resto so its all haste focused, and im not changing gems/enchants

[wicked shuttle]

if youre MS resto

[blazing thicket]

i need to find new rings and a neck i can add gems/enchants to thats crit/vers

[upper anvil]

I need to drop my haste for Keeper smh. I have like 12-16k rn

[wicked shuttle]

does it really matter?

[blazing thicket]

i cant see a single crit/vers neck or ring in dungeons, did i miss them

[wicked shuttle]

it's Priory of the Sacred Flame and Floodgate

[upper anvil]

I simmed a mast verse neck snd it simed lower then my haste mastery and haste verse neck

[wicked shuttle]

both have usable necklaces

[upper anvil]

So im like what do I do. Its conflicting

[blazing thicket]

doing mythic araz currently, 3 heal fight, i got the best dps spec so im the one dps'ing. so it matters for this prog boss lol

[wicked shuttle]

Salhadaar also has a usable neck

ah yes

[upper anvil]

Salhadaar neck Sims lower then my current tho

I assume I simmed it not upgraded will check tomorrow

[blazing thicket]

how little haste you got?

[wicked shuttle]

you want like Priory Ring and Dawn ring

Priory neck or Floodgate neck

something like that

[upper anvil]

Have priority ring. Not sure dawn

[upper anvil]

Around 12-16k

[maiden pasture]

First boss ring pretty good too or

[upper anvil]

I should've took the one neck in my first vault smh

[blazing thicket]

omg yes priory got a ring i want. didnt even notice it

i mean neck

crit vers damn

[wicked shuttle]

ya moonkin stats are some suck

lol

[upper anvil]

I can probably switch some gear out but is it worth dropping the mastery

I already dropped like a few k of mastery to get my current crit verse

[wicked shuttle]

it's all about whatever sims say

hard to know with just talking abt it

id just trust the sims

[upper anvil]

Rough. My necks myth track haste verse so kinda hard to drop without Sims saying its lower

[wicked shuttle]

ya i got the taz neck on myth track

and it's not worth equipping fo rme either

haste vers one

[turbid nacelle]

both of them dont drop neck

xdd

[upper anvil]

Flood has a neck

[wicked shuttle]

both of them do drop a neck?

[upper anvil]

Mastery verse

[turbid nacelle]

i was looking at normal why tf is this a thing

[wicked shuttle]

got added this patch

bc there werent gonna be any necklaces from M+ otherwise

[turbid nacelle]

ye mb

[blazing thicket]

someone just said you need 16k haste. guessing the stat drops fast after the first breakpoint. if you got 12k, dont lose that neck

[upper anvil]

I think its preference. But I've seen lots of folks run as low as 3k haste with more of the other 3

[rancid surge]

Any other 0 haste chads out there?

[upper anvil]

currently, 3.8k crit, 11k haste, 21.6k mastery and 12.9k verse, ima have to resim stuff and a higher level, not to osure where to go from here but ill figure it out

[digital berry]

Yall are putting a little more importance into secondaries then it’s worth it imho

[high turret]

after 42 runs i finally saw my first Parapodia. It went to a resto druid who did 31k DPS. I am about to just give up

[digital berry]

As long as you don’t have 0 mastery you will not see insane dmg gains from secondaries

[upper anvil]

youre not wrong, my mastery haste mainly gear only sims like 80k less then my more crit verse etc

but i assume its because i lost like 5k mastery

[delicate perch]

Finally some (not so) common sense

[digital berry]

Wdym 50% of my takes are legit

[wicked shuttle]

I think gamz is like 0 haste

[delicate perch]

Oh no more just the yapping about random generic items as if they add anything of value compared to other items

[wicked shuttle]

Agree

Just sim character and then go play

No need to think too hard about it

[delicate perch]

I can “gain” 0.1% by swapping my halls ring to the dawn breaker one

[upper anvil]

i only think about it since id like to do both raid and keys, but id rather not like lose out on much for either one if possible, i assume most of yall just mainly gear for raid and just use whatever your gear is for keys?

[digital berry]

Just swap rings and neck, maybe trinkets and you’ll be fine for now

Eventually you could make two sets

But like not for weekly 10s or anything

[wicked shuttle]

Ya I just swap jewelry

[upper anvil]

ic

[delicate perch]

So many slots are locked in you can only really swap those

My singular sim I did wanted tier shoulders and jewelry/trinkets swapped

[devout hazel]

yo so in raid now, i see we're blanketing CA into CA, is that so we can use our 2 turbo buffed surges to start buffing our next 2 surges

[wicked shuttle]

Ya

[lofty depot]

@digital berry araz down

r4

we got 5s of amp :/

fuggn evoker went st and ruined my parse

@craggy sonnet CLANKER

[stone ledge]

where da log at

https://tenor.com/view/exams-exam-memes-studying-exams-be-like-study-gif-24398441

[lofty depot]

garyeet

i sent my trinket with naked ca

tragic

[jaunty blaze]

Getting asked to use cds for collectors

🙂

[stone ledge]

oh

yall got the 2nd amp

tragic

[lofty depot]

nah u cd collectors

[livid jay]

oh fuck my life

[lofty depot]

at 320

[livid jay]

my weakaura talent reset must have been interrupted at some point and i didnt realize

i love this game

https://www.twitch.tv/mahranaka/clip/RepletePlumpOwlSaltBae-7JmZ6E1RNJP4zZ9p

man

fucking gilly

[silk shard]

is there an updated link to a feedback thread for 11.2 moonkin for the official forums?

[fleet thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[livid jay]

me waiting for buffs like

[strong bronze]

All this waiting , just for wrath buffs to occur

[dire osprey]

i have already embraced the darkness idc about buffs anymore

[livid jay]

same

[eager pivot]

have reset buffs been announced yet?

[pallid bay]

this is funny cause u didnt even have to click it

[livid jay]

yea i realized

is that why it got fucked?

did u update that thing at any point after i made the fork with the icons?

[pallid bay]

no idea

[livid jay]

dont think you did

mine is from end of january and your newest november 6

[pallid bay]

think it should continue swapping tbh

its 9 am though so i could be wrong

[livid jay]

yea idk what happened there, thought maybe cause i clicked the recuperate wa shortly before but i even canceled the recuperate before cliocing controlBug

its whatever, i didnt pay attention if it swapped back so all on me 😄

[pallid bay]

actually nvm im looking at the wrong part of the code

    if e == "TRAIT_CONFIG_UPDATED" and s[""] then
        if not s[""].swapped then
            s[""].changed=true
            s[""].icon=IsPlayerSpell(434220) and 5177651 or 1396974 --control icon if power talented else power icon
            s[""].swapped = true
            local entryID = WeakAuras.CheckTalentForUnit("player", 117894) == 1 and aura_env.powerEntry or aura_env.controlEntry
            C_Traits.RefundRank(aura_env.configID, aura_env.controlPowerNode)
            C_Traits.SetSelection(aura_env.configID, aura_env.controlPowerNode, entryID)
            C_ClassTalents.CommitConfig()
        else
            s[""].changed=true
            s[""].show=false
        end
        return true
    end```
checking on swapping talents and that state exists but state dosnt exist anymore since timer ran out

[livid jay]

ahh ok

yea i guess just dont press it if timer runs out soon

[lofty depot]

weakaura boss

big fun

someone going wrong spot cuz weakaura ig

love to see it

[lofty depot]

too late for 11.2 feedback. 12.0 feedback when beta hits

[pallid bay]

i could prob schedule a swap anyway tbf

[livid jay]

dude we started fractilus prog last night (also killed it) and we spent an hour trying to figure out why the WA wasnt working, rewatching clips and shit until i realized its always the same dude getting assigned something different on his and our end and we realized that his MRT for some obscure reason (it was correctly set up) refused to accept new notes so it didnt have the updated assigns

[livid jay]

would be cool if you want/care but honestly not a big thing
if you do fix it, a ping would be nice so i can implement it in my version

[pallid bay]

ill see if i remember it

[livid jay]

[pallid bay]

the RL list usually solves this

it'll show you what your WA assigned people

[livid jay]

on northern sky?

[pallid bay]

nvm im talking liquid

[livid jay]

ah ok, ye we are using NS this tier

[lofty depot]

it shouldnt be a note issue

[livid jay]

NS also has a list that shows who gets which mark, thats how we figured out he was going wrong way

[livid jay]

it was cause first we tried custom assigns and then something wasnt good/didnt work with that and we deleted the note and went with build in algorithm but the note didnt get deleted on that guys MRT

after he manually deleted it all was fine

[lofty depot]

hmm

yea we just set the areas up based on the 1-15 thing

but he was going to the wrong location

and the only reason i noticed was cuz there was 4 walls out and theyre supposed to go each to 1 spot

and he doubled and i had a brain blast

[livid jay]

🤣

boss is piss easy if u just follow the weakaura and spread properly on puddles

although i wanted to on boomkin

[lofty depot]

ye

[silk shard]

word

[dire osprey]

are soul hunters easy

[lofty depot]

compared to....

[dire osprey]

idk araz?

[lofty depot]

current araz, no

[dire osprey]

just in general

how many pulls is it

on avg

[lofty depot]

well right now its all the gamers right

[sudden flame]

Like 40 pulls probably

[lofty depot]

so like 50-70 pulls prob

[open bay]

Buff boomie

[dire osprey]

ok not bad

[fast finch]

Why we aren't using kotg for mythic soulbinder? Or why ec is better?

[lofty depot]

some of us are

ec isnt better

those are padders

cheaters if u will

[fast finch]

So you recommend to use kotg since adds die to fast

[lofty depot]

i think there are better classes at killing adds and i dont try it

and theres plenty of people over 6m dps

[steep folio]

For those bosses, filter out for "damage to bosses". Let the evokers stat pad on those adds

[lofty depot]

like idk i cba trying to minmax cringe add fight

[pallid bay]

you're free to pad but if your raid is good add killers, EC might perform worse for you than those top logs

[lofty depot]

the 4% wipe

I WAS BLASTING

[livid jay]

what u wiping to?

[lofty depot]

we killed

lol our bm swapped to mm cuz he was fucking up the binding

cant fuck up the binding if i dont have it

but mm and evoker swapped to st

and we phased it with like 8% hp instead of like 15

[livid jay]

well u still got rank 4 so must've also pumped on kill xD

[lofty depot]

yea not enough

[livid jay]

some area 52 guy turned my 100 into a 99 before it locked in

[lofty depot]

i slammed 10 less starfalls than i did on thursday

was sending surges during trees

[livid jay]

in intermission?

[lofty depot]

no

[livid jay]

oh

ok

i only do that for like the last two globals in trees

when too much of the starfall would be outside trees

[lofty depot]

giga padding surely

[livid jay]

kinda checks out if u surged a bit i guess

[lofty depot]

Well I was actively standing in a position to Starfall the echo

At least if I didn't have add drop or push

[livid jay]

oh u were even holding first cd's for echo?

[lofty depot]

For echo hahahahahahahaha

No

[livid jay]

xD

what were u holding for

[lofty depot]

For the first set manifestation

[livid jay]

[lofty depot]

i mean, thats free cleave big dawg

wait

r4 didnt crit a surge on first amp

r1 if i did

[livid jay]

ye i was wondering why your damage curve in first amp was so low compared to mine

my two surges crit for 68 mil and 70 mil, yours both didnt crit and only hit 30 mil each

[dire osprey]

💀

[livid jay]

lmao

unlucky

[dire osprey]

all that crit for nothing

unfort

[jaunty blaze]

Luv me crit gamba

[round field]

Skill issue

[limpid grotto]

How’s boomy genuinely feeling raiding wise. Always played it but was on ele shaman for late last tier and early this tier however miss my old class. I’ve done some M+ it doesn’t feel horrendous but also realised that if I am alongside people with hands I can’t really compete overall

[round field]

Every global i press makes jumping out a window more lucrative

[silk shard]

T_T

[round field]

Its so bad im playing feral

Amirdrasil ptsd

[cloud plover]

my balance druid is spending more time in bear form than moon kin form on nexus king

[round field]

https://tenor.com/view/vietnam-flashback-traumatized-cat-gif-7852054576948114551

[cloud plover]

but his dps is pretty damn solid

[lyric thicket]

We have the biggest burst atm but overall we are last dps ^^ i enjoy it

[stray abyss]

So couple of questions boys; Got Lily and Azhiccaran trinkets Hero - for m+ they are bis. Should I just upgrade them to 6/6? (tomorrow, hoping for vault)

[limpid grotto]

We're going Keeper for raid right

[cloud plover]

if ur cringe yeah

[round field]

Other than dh boss yes

[limpid grotto]

I prefer elune's historically but we'll see

Cheers for the answers lads

[round field]

Ur weird

[cloud plover]

love u for that
I'm playing EC in raid too

[round field]

Elune is the most mind numbingly boring shit theyve made since classic frost mage

Actual 2 button spec

[tardy hare]

moonfire, sunfire, woe, foe, starfall, starfire, starsurge, incarn. That is 8 spells!

[jaunty blaze]

I dont have 8 buttons on my keyboard

[agile nimbus]

have you tried to play a bm hunter? that's literally kc barber kc barber kc barber

[round field]

Yeah

Its equally as bad

[agile nimbus]

and, as a bonus, you dont even need multishot for aoe

[round field]

But they dont have to stand still for 2 seconds to cast barbed shot

[void marsh]

real

[agile nimbus]

i like the current state of boomie tbh, compared to wotlk its heaven

[void marsh]

wish they reduced starfire damage and decreased its cast time tbh

[agile nimbus]

though we need a ST buff

[void marsh]

guys, just a question, how do you play around that room where sigar is? do you simply dot all the lil mobs and spam starfall?

i been telling my tank to tank the mobs in the middle of the room so i can starfall but no idea if thats the play or not

[magic hound]

Single and aoe

M+ is pain ..

[agile nimbus]

you usually skip all the mobs, pull the miniboss around the corner and single target it

[fossil hemlock]

Isn't that a fairly high dps check?

[agile nimbus]

they nerfed his heal, you can out dps

[void marsh]

so even with a boomie theres no point on staying in the middle of the room and starfall

got it

[round field]

Usually you just st sigar after the first suck

[void marsh]

i feel like AoE is fine tho

[magic hound]

No it's not. Compared to the last set we had

It's nothing

[void marsh]

been keeping up with 'meta' specs on details

[round field]

Boomie is still fine in keys

If you dont do dps there its skill issue

[magic hound]

I was doing a +14 yesterday

[agile nimbus]

boomie was useful for whole one season, that's the best we had in years

[magic hound]

I did 7 mill overall but the hunter was destroying everything

[void marsh]

which dung?

[round field]

Only 7 mil

[void marsh]

curious

[magic hound]

Streets

[round field]

Ah yes

Streets

Where the biggest pack is like

5 mobs

[agile nimbus]

streets is shit

[round field]

[void marsh]

7M on streets doesnt seem bad? afaik

[round field]

Boomie isnt good on low target count

Never was

[magic hound]

Idk. I feel like hunters and even ret pallys are doing way better

[round field]

Streets is like top

Just not a very good boomie key

[magic hound]

A bomie cant do 40 mill burst and end up 25 mill right?! Lol

[nova yarrow]

how do it select the equip bonus for crafted weapons in raidbots?

[round field]

You mean the embelishment?

Add the item and click on the little plus sign

[round field]

It can

[nova yarrow]

❤️

[round field]

Just pull more

[agile nimbus]

oh yeah, dps is heavily tank dependent

never do m+ without an in house tank xd

[magic hound]

Well idk. It won't matter for a hunter

[round field]

I mean

Are you even listening

Boomie is bad in low target count dungeons

[loud kettle]

Only if ur weak

[round field]

Thats just how it is

[round field]

Im not weak

Im a cat

Meow

Im blasting

[magic hound]

Meow is the best

Hahaha

[loud kettle]

Real tanks pull big in streets

[void marsh]

meow

[magic hound]

Kotg has good burst

The set is pretty good

[void marsh]

all due to convoke

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/perrito-luz-del-sol-sunlight-perro-dog-gif-9244311782841500716

[void marsh]

tbh i would love to play convoke again in keys

while it being meta

just like in SL

elune chosen and convoke hmm

[tardy hare]

7mil overall in +14 streerts? I call bullshit

[round field]

Fuck no

Delete convoke

Get that shit out

[magic hound]

No i don't consider convoke to be good in keys

[round field]

Convoke was only good s1

Before legendaries were implemented

Tho one min convoke in keys kinda worked

Nya buff every pack

[silk shard]

convoke was fun in DF prepatch when the talent and legendary stacked and you had 30 sec cd

[round field]

If tank is pussy and wont pull for frenzy

[magic hound]

Maybe the stats kinda changed

[void marsh]

well blizzard can def buff convoke someday, who knows

[magic hound]

Afk and we couldn't time it

[tardy hare]

So you did first big pull before 1st boss and had 7mil overall and then you abandoned

[magic hound]

No

[round field]

Convoke was good cause nya buff

Basically got a whole trinket worth of mastery

For ur cds

[loud kettle]

also had conflux of elements

Where ur convoke spells literally did more dmg

[round field]

Oh ye

[dire osprey]

i pull big in my weekly 10s (i never play tank and my route is based on vibes)

we play for overall

die = 1 heal??

[quiet drift]

9.0 Boat also capped ur crit when you pressed CA

Convoke forever fell behind since that things removal

Double legendaries Kyrian was better

[round field]

Dont think so

It got nerfed like 4 timed

[round field]

Hm

I dont trust tooltip

[quiet drift]

huh

[round field]

Nope ur gaslighting me

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/gaslighting-pun-meme-gif-21082349

I remember the 75% boat

played like a handful of dungeons with it

cinema

[loud kettle]

Ur lying

75% boat wasnt real and cant hurt any of us

[quiet drift]

The hole it left is real...

[vale pebble]

yea

2x crit cap on astral spells

chills...

[quiet drift]

I think entire covoke was 100% crit on astral

[craggy sonnet]

SLEEPING BRO
congrats tho. We also killed yday but I was shitting the bed, didn't play for almost a week

But I also didn't get any surge in 2nd amp.. wcyd

[craggy sonnet]

Oh, and play potent on fract unless you wanna be unhappy when your mates discover their hands

[deft granite]

Where is our buffs

[final schooner]

Is it me or are we rly bad at St dmg in M+ ?

[strong bronze]

We are rly bad

[final schooner]

😭

[maiden pasture]

Convoke giving venthyr stacks in pre patch tho

[deft crown]

I miss the casting while moving under starfall that was so satisfying

[lament kite]

i cry about this like once a week to my mates

[deft crown]

Just pump the pulls and let the others kill the bosses

[final schooner]

Ye that's if you get invited

[lavish jungle]

buff incoming, my brothers in boomy, believe me

[jaunty blaze]

Hot take

[deft crown]

Strange thing i get insta inveted to 10-11 keys and insta decline on. 12-13

[jaunty blaze]

Can always host your own

[maiden pasture]

Removing stellar drift gave moonkin a tiny bit of skill expression at least

[lavish jungle]

move to 14

[final schooner]

Glad im still a warlock main

[exotic cargo]

what stats are we crafting gear with?

crit mastery?

[steep folio]

I can hear the "sim it" army arriving

[jaunty blaze]

Sim it

[final schooner]

Sim it

but high chance of it being Haste Mastery

[jaunty blaze]

Depends for what

[tender elbow]

We are back lads!!

Though I don’t know why Devastation Evokers needed to be buffed as well but w/e

[delicate perch]

[jaunty blaze]

Didnt you try that already

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-license-clown-phantomv3x-v3x-gif-834007702285978431

[tardy hare]

...

[jaunty blaze]

Remove it yourself before it gets removed

[tender elbow]

What do you mean troll

[tardy hare]

Ban these trolls please

[scenic mist]

stop the stupid bait

<@&114146878353833984>

[jaunty blaze]

You are millionth guy to do that

[half quartz]

hello what

[jaunty blaze]

Bait post

[half quartz]

oh i see it's from 2024

@tender elbow don't do that

[tardy hare]

Give him a naughty boy ticket

[tender elbow]

Hey I was trolled as much as everyone

[earnest iron]

Hey fellow boomkins, got a genuine question.

According to Warcraftlogs data balance is the lowest on the table, compared to other specs [https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/44?dataset=95&sample=7]

And i wonder why. I know that there are class/spec combos like fire mages that scale extremely well, the deeper we go into expansion, so apparently boomkins do not scale too well? even though we are Mastery heavy class.

Is it simply a tuning issue or there are some underlying class issues as well?

From my amateur point of view it looks like that the spec is not being rewarded enough for maintaining 2 DoTs all of the time.

Starsurges hit hard, but they are outweighed by weak as noodles Wrath/Starfire.

Dream dragon and Goldrinn spirit hits are weak.

2p Set bonus is substantial, not sure about 4p. But is it on par with other tier sets?

Stellar Flare DoT is never worth enough to use.

[hard wyvern]

Evokers getting same baits

[scenic mist]

then i stress the importance of checking your sources before spreading what is actually misinformation

mind that some ppl will just see your post out of context and be mislead

[fossil hemlock]

Scaling isn't really a thing

It's all down to tuning

[severe hollow]

Dmg being too low in 100% of all cases is a tuning issue

[tender elbow]

I blocked my guildie for it.

[jaunty blaze]

Tuning bad base spec is horrible

[severe hollow]

For every class in every expansion

[jaunty blaze]

Tierset doesn't do enough

[severe hollow]

Gameplay are design

[earnest iron]

agreed on that.

Well, that's just sad

[random fox]

Is it just me or does convoke sometimes gets cancelled in raid by something other than spell casting? I have macros that cast other spells only when convoke is not being channeled.

[pallid bay]

its just you

[scenic mist]

you can check here next time https://www.bluetracker.gg/

[earnest iron]

maybe we should pull a paladin discord power move? 🤣

[scenic mist]

being griped by a priest can kill voke

afaik

[compact holly]

Im idiot and once put the trinket use after the convoke cast 🤡

[earnest iron]

i did that more times than i wish

[random fox]

happened a lot on Salhadaar, no other bosses have this problem :/ I guess I'm doing sth wrong.

[fossil hemlock]

Do you have logs?

[random fox]

Yes but didn't check them. I'll have a look next time that happens.

Thanks for the idea

[scenic mist]

wondering if the p1 claw makes you cancel voke

[random fox]

I have it before, together with Nature's Vigil

[severe hollow]

If you macro that together and spam button that can also happen if trinket is before

[random fox]

happened without standing in those

[earnest iron]

yesterday i did an extremely well planned careful claw management and went to the very edge of the platform, hoping to leave as much clean area as possible. A second later i got clawed away to the void. Ugh

[scenic mist]

didnt mean the damage from standing but rather the "grip" from the claw

[scenic mist]

yeah you get clawed from big claw end to small claw end

be mindful 😄

[fossil hemlock]

I'd be surprised since you can convoke while moving

[random fox]

Maybe I'm really close to the grip and the hitbox is larger than the effect

[earnest iron]

not particularly. it was around 50% of the total length

[scenic mist]

small indie company tho

[scenic mist]

maybe you got sent into a dragon on the edge, they bump you

[pallid bay]

they wouldnt overlap or

[scenic mist]

yeah timing makes no sense but i'm fishing

[pallid bay]

maybe dragons knocking u but timing wouldnt match either

[earnest iron]

Hmm, interesting, gotta check that out next time

[digital berry]

You probably crit all 6 surges didn’t ya

[lofty depot]

No

First amp Crit nonr

2nd amp was 5 seconds long

[digital berry]

You should still get two dryad surges in that no

Hmm

[lofty depot]

Yes

But we and a 4% wipe I did 600m first amp

Kill pull I did like 350

I sent trinket during collectors

:/

[dire osprey]

saw a picture of a blue post, sparked my hope for 0.1 seconds but then i realized it must be fake

ggs

[lofty depot]

Old notes, they dont work Labor Day weekend dawg

[dire osprey]

yeah

it was just that millisecond of "oh pog"

[random fox]

😔

checking daily, maybe something changes, just worsens. 🙁

[delicate perch]

just play with grey loggers and you might* beat them

[random fox]

good idea. Could make me feel better.

[delicate perch]

(it doesn't)

[random fox]

At least I have vers buff

[sudden flame]

what the helly buff feral

[random fox]

xd

[delicate perch]

[manic geode]

guys do you have any WA for trinkets this season? i cannot find for some reason

for example this

[random fox]

20 is like munching on a full meal and playing with 1 hand

[delicate perch]

ois balance pack always has trinkets

[manic geode]

do you have link ?

[verbal brook]

Nochanneling modifier in macros used to work with the spellquewindow right?

[delicate perch]

https://wago.io/MKhGWdX_s

[lofty depot]

I use an antenna weakaura to tell me when orbs are out

[round field]

ur an idiot

[tender elbow]

I agree. I got trolled by a guildie

[lofty depot]

Never trust guildies

They all hate us

[harsh jungle]

When buffs

Where is buffs

I don’t see buffs

[delicate perch]

I'm from the future and it's a 3% starsurge buff in feb 2026

[harsh jungle]

OMG

[lofty depot]

February 33rd

Which does not exist

[harsh jungle]

BIIIIIG

[void abyss]

Heya, sorry to interupt. just a small question about rotation. In elunes chosen m+ build. If my fury of elune comes up when my eclipse is already half way done. should I wait to enter the next eclipse or just cast it right away?

[crude void]

10% flat starsurge buff but a 30% nerf to KotG 4set is what I am expecting

[lofty depot]

Just send it on cd

[harsh jungle]

That would be sad

[potent cargo]

they wont buff boomy

its broken in pvp

sry team

[void abyss]

ty

[delicate perch]

gg the 3% was a lie sorry

[harsh jungle]

They could just add the ”won’t affect pvp” tag

[lofty depot]

They already nerfed the tierset like that once

[random fox]

I would cast it right away. Any damage helps and you get cd reduction anyways. More casts = more damage.

[potent cargo]

ye but they wont add it

any excuse to do nothing

[crude void]

I feel like the did it 3 times until the whole spec became unusuable

[delicate perch]

even worse that they added the pvp dial they can mess with whenever

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[manic geode]

what is the circle in me ? some spell or trinket?

[random fox]

pvp talent I think

[steel valley]

anyone had this issue on raidbots, patchwork i can generate

but dungeon slice doesnt work

on my balance druid

[lofty depot]

Because dslice is bad correct

[scenic mist]

indeed

[steel valley]

wdym

[scenic mist]

bonus crit chance for your allies in pvp

[silk shard]

balance APL doesn't support dungeon slice

[scenic mist]

gosh ppl would get a red message and wont read it

[lofty depot]

The raidbot gods turned it off because it isn't and hasn't been a supported method of simming for balance druid ever

[scenic mist]

[steel valley]

Sorry im new to expansion i didnt play since shadowlands first season - I just never seen any issues like this

I thought the settings might be wrong

not that theres something wrong with my class

[lofty depot]

It wasn't a support method back then either

It was however able to sim, unforch

[scenic mist]

the rational is for dslice to work the TCers would have to do extra work they dont wanna engage in (cause the added value over a standard ST sim is very low)

[steel valley]

So do you only do patchwork for simulationcraft?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[steel valley]

kinda annoying

[scenic mist]

you can also MDT sim

[lofty depot]

And MDT sim, which u can look up how to do

[scenic mist]

but ST is really good enough

[steel valley]

cheers

[scenic mist]

https://wago.io/LTwpBiuz_

(it's a pain, don't do it)

[steel valley]

haha yeah

ill stick to ST simc then

[random fox]

specifically this pvp talent:

[scenic mist]

oh indeed i mixed it up with moonkin aura

[craggy sonnet]

Recommended method is making the route on keystone.guru btw

And exporting it as simc string

[scenic mist]

[craggy sonnet]

Just if anyone ever asked about it

That's why the original weakaura is gone as well

[scenic mist]

and then go straight to STEP3 in the MDT wa description, right ?

[craggy sonnet]

Uhhh

Yea

[drifting nova]

5% crit when

bring it back

[lofty depot]

There's just an export button on the site and u put it in advanced

[scenic mist]

SoD

[median cedar]

this is my favourite that I've stumbled upon

[compact rose]

when boomy buffs? it is tuesday already

[lofty depot]

Imagine if they cared what day it was lol

[jaunty blaze]

Boomie buffs for Christmas

[dire osprey]

saw this when i was copying talents for araz

[lofty depot]

Yea, boomkin so good

[dire osprey]

diabolical

[lofty depot]

We ran 2

[jaunty blaze]

Hardmode innit

Could be worse

[dire osprey]

guild must really love u 💀

[jaunty blaze]

Could be feral on that fight

[dire osprey]

only reason im in is because i am the druid buff

[lofty depot]

The duality of man

[jaunty blaze]

What is bro doing

[lofty depot]

Not listening to what I say

[jaunty blaze]

Smh

[lofty depot]

"but why would I ca before damage amp, I will do more"

Smh

[jaunty blaze]

Apparently not

[lofty depot]

Well he did the same that pull cuz I got no crits :/

I did 350m first amp, and he did 323. I was doing 500+

2nd amp he doesn't have double CA

[jaunty blaze]

gg

[lofty depot]

I even padded less last night vs wednesday

[jaunty blaze]

Still sad to see the 99 among the grey logs

[scenic mist]

padders, somehow

[jaunty blaze]

This week for sure

[lofty depot]

Well, I sent more surges this time than starfalls

Cut about 10 starfalls out of rotation

[tawdry trellis]

My buddy found this, not sure where though. Can't confirm authenticity

[lofty depot]

Ur buddy trolled u

I can confirm it's fake

[jaunty blaze]

Its from a year ago

[lofty depot]

Cuz he took the picture of a year old post

[dire osprey]

is old

[tawdry trellis]

ah

[ancient adder]

[lofty depot]

Feel free to delete ty

[tawdry trellis]

hard bait

[lofty depot]

Wcyd

The evoker and mm hunter swapped builds after we did a 4% wipe

Suddenly manifestations were living longer

In helping

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-27456227

the help in question

[lofty depot]

Also, the hunter binding before pushback every set, after being told not to like 100 times... He then swapped to mm

Because why use the better binding if ur using it wrong

[scenic mist]

isnt bm binding like a vortex ?

[lofty depot]

🧠 honestly

It's better

It stuns or someshit

[scenic mist]

yeah vortex + stun

[lofty depot]

He was placing on the spawn point

So when I typhooned it would bring them back

Fuggn ape

[scenic mist]

but they'd be inside the puddle before being brought back, no ? how come they kept the shield ?

[scenic mist]

hunters, ammaright

[lofty depot]

The got pushed into the black hole, it's just about them being cc'd for longer.

[lyric thicket]

Do you have any tips for araz MM as boomie ? We have like10 pull on it. with one transition

[woven flint]

speaking of is it worth to moonfire the orbs on araz mythic if you have no trees ?

[lofty depot]

Wasting typhoon slow for fun ig

[woven flint]

feels like its dying so fast

[lofty depot]

No

Just Sunfire

[void jacinth]

stand in the middle of the room and cast until it dies?

[woven flint]

ty arc we got to 30 % without vantus hopefully kill this weekend

[lofty depot]

On double sets I had trees usually

[woven flint]

yeah saving trees on the set where 2 are out

[lofty depot]

But dotting. Isn't the reason I would trees

It's just more Starfall dam 🙂

[woven flint]

no send on cd ?

[lyric thicket]

..

[lofty depot]

Well I was sending at the start of eclipse generally on cd

[scenic mist]

3 more moonfire >> 24% dmg multiplier for 10sec, noob

[woven flint]

a ty for the tip

[lofty depot]

Center of room ezpz

[woven flint]

although my damage wont matter at all

🤣

[lofty depot]

Dot all collectors, vive

[woven flint]

dot up before intermisison you mean ?

[lofty depot]

Kept echo dotted

[lyric thicket]

I ask for the whole fight

[lofty depot]

I mean, what other tips u want

[void jacinth]

that is the whole fight

[scenic mist]

you can also dot collectors as soon as they spawn

[lofty depot]

Yea

[scenic mist]

as you'll chain starfall aetheral kindling will keep dot up and it's free ap

[woven flint]

o ty ty

dotting each of them up during intermisison is kinda a pain

[void jacinth]

isnt it a Sunfire only and let trees moonfire angle?

[lyric thicket]

Only su fire add the. Strafall ? Then dot all pillar and starfall ?

[scenic mist]

it is for orbs

[woven flint]

also do you use second convoke on cd, intermission or damage amp ?

[lofty depot]

Yel

[lyric thicket]

Amp

[lofty depot]

Send a naked CA at 320

Then send a normal CA Starfall Starfall trees convoke surges into amp

'normal' 🙂

[woven flint]

why 3 20 ?

is it so 4set carries over in dam amp ?

[lofty depot]

So then u get double CA at 6m

The 4p has a timer on it

[lyric thicket]

Double ca pull then 3:20 then at 6 double CA

[woven flint]

i see ty for the tips homies appreciate it

[lyric thicket]

Ty

[lofty depot]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/druid-balance/forgeweaver-araz

[void jacinth]

youre the top one

[lofty depot]

Look how some didn't get double CA for amp

Then again, now I need to see if it's not worth cuz we don't get full 2nd amp

Shrug

Assume it is, but shrug

[void jacinth]

shrug

[strong bronze]

Do you lust 1st or 2nd burn?

[lofty depot]

We lusted 2nd

[void jacinth]

we lusted 2nd intermission

[lofty depot]

Seen some guilds list first and complete skip second

[void jacinth]

for healing or somethin

[lofty depot]

Also some lust pull

We lusted like the last bit of 2nd collectors

[void jacinth]

boss died insta after we did that lust tho

[lofty depot]

Yea dame

[strong bronze]

So did you do starfall into surges for the amp phase or ? Cause i seen you mention it

[lofty depot]

We phased with it at 8%

[scenic mist]

this actually makes no sense imo

[lofty depot]

Same, I think lust first amp is best

[scenic mist]

the ego

[lofty depot]

My twitch name

Get mad

[strong bronze]

Hmm , might need to try it

[lofty depot]

U could press 2 wraths prob

But we have attendants up

Soooo why not

[strong bronze]

After 1st burn when i would send 2 incarns i would end up at 6.1 , we havent gotten as many 2nd intermission pulls

[lofty depot]

Just don't do this at 320ish

Bad player

[strong bronze]

I assume its the dont wend trinket part

[lofty depot]

Yessem

Silly button press

Gotta use new button

Brain not used to it

[scenic mist]

you can be sure he also have /cast NV before /cast CA in his macro

[strong bronze]

We should kill araz this week , now im actually seeing people kill fractilus really quick

[lofty depot]

As long as u don't have weakaura problems

Idk how to fix people having double weakauras without seeing their screen

[strong bronze]

My friend's guild after 10 odd pulls or so is at 35%

[lofty depot]

We pulled like 10 times or w.e.

But we were getting wrong wall spawns

And we assumed people were fucking it up

Then I saw 2 people same spot on solo drops

And figured itout

Sat said person, 19manned it and got to like 40%

Now I have to play reddit detective and he's like just sit me

When the same problem will happen in later fights if he has double weakauras

Fuggn warlocks man

[scenic mist]

what wa are you using ?

[lofty depot]

Liquid

[scenic mist]

you have an aura checker

how can you fuck it up

[lofty depot]

Yea, everything was updated and fine

[scenic mist]

just get everyone on the same version

[lofty depot]

Idk, he said his weakaura was saying orange, when my list says moon

[scenic mist]

ask for a record

[lofty depot]

Everyone was on same version

I assume he has multiple weakauras downloaded and or made copies of said weakauras

Now I make him screen share tonight

Show me ur weakauras

[scenic mist]

bluds clics "make a copy" on every update

has 25 liquid manaforge wa

[lofty depot]

Probably

[scenic mist]

the mates you deserve

[lofty depot]

odd ash starts to say "blud" hm

[scenic mist]

yeah i'm that easily influenced

[frail tartan]

You mean intermission assignments on soul hunters

Or assignments on fractilus?

[lofty depot]

Fractilly

[frail tartan]

Well we had a issue one of our guys didn't have mrt and note enabled

[lofty depot]

Don't know what caused it cuz I saw the double wall placement 2ns to last phll

[frail tartan]

So that can probably be it

[lofty depot]

U don't need mrt note for the boss tho

[frail tartan]

Well it fixed for us cause he was the only one with problems

And also I think he reinstalled the whole wa package

[lofty depot]

I'll check it tonight, but that shouldn't be a reason for assignments when we don't have assignments on the note

I was gonna make him screen share and delete anything related to it

[frail tartan]

Well also on soul hunters in intermission if somebody died it scuffed the assignments for few pulls

[valid prawn]

New to retail & balance…any recs for learning rotation?

[lofty depot]

Dreamgrove.gg

[tacit oriole]

One button rotation is your best friend

[lofty depot]

It's not

[tacit oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/do-not-take-the-bait-dont-fall-for-it-rise-above-it-be-better-warning-gif-16684834

[valid prawn]

No shot im one buttoning lol

[scenic mist]

you dont "need" it but you can use the note to set up a priority assignment (like i was the 1st in the list so i always had the most left assignment)
so if you guys are using it but he's not showing the note (thus making the wa not work for him) it might be it

[lofty depot]

Man down

[livid jay]

you died to 77A77A

[lofty depot]

I mean, we didn't put assignments on note

[dire osprey]

the chinese guy will get banned during the next wave dw

[lofty depot]

We just used the prio in it natty

That's not chinese

[jaunty blaze]

racism smh

[dire osprey]

[livid jay]

yea round stuff means korean right

[lofty depot]

Racist

[dire osprey]

how am i supposed to know man wtf

i dont even watch anime

[manic geode]

guys, why we need so much haste? if i sim raidbots it doest not say that i need haste and so on. also why he using 2 trinkets from eco-dom ?
My sim says that i should play with mug`zee

[jaunty blaze]

korean is all circles and shit

[livid jay]

anime is japanese bozo

[dire osprey]

[lofty depot]

Maybe he wants to not play with jug

Haste because Starfire casts slow

[dire osprey]

m+ talents haste is good

[manic geode]

but dwilkz has 684 mugzee and he put 704 triknkets from eco -dom? why? it is worser on simulation

[dire osprey]

prob didnt get anything better lol

[lofty depot]

Why does it matter what other people wear

[dire osprey]

mugzee is also just broken

[lofty depot]

As stated, maybe 1 person doesn't want to wear jug. Maybe said person doesn't have 684 jug

[dire osprey]

pretty sure ill be using it until i get an antenna

in vault tomorrow 100%

[lofty depot]

Empowered is good

[jaunty blaze]

did they even nerf mugzee into season 3

[lofty depot]

Can use that over jug

[frail tartan]

Well that could be also problem

[lofty depot]

Think all the old trinkets got nerfed yes

[lofty depot]

Hmmm

[jaunty blaze]

i know hoc got nerfed dont member jug

[frail tartan]

Next day we put out the assignments into note and it was fine

It worked on fractilus

But I'm pretty sure on hunters the WA is scuffed with dead people so it's better to call it during prog

[lofty depot]

Now I gotta go look

[frail tartan]

Maybe it will be fixed during resset

[spiral granite]

do you guys think there will be a buff next week ?

[lofty depot]

Yea surely

[spiral granite]

but i guess something like 5% flat dmg

but hope dies at last

[lofty depot]

5% flat does nothing btw

[spiral granite]

yeah that what i mean

the last buff was 8% i think

they have to buff the set and flat dmg i guess

[frail tartan]

I think the assignments for slots where you go spread also uses it for wall priority so maybe check that

[lofty depot]

Well the natty is the list of w.e. 15 classes and it prefers fast classes left or some shit

[frail tartan]

Yea but I haven't got left one once and just got the far right ones

[lofty depot]

So we just did that, made plan for some spread locations and sent last hour of raid

[gray karma]

@lofty depot

[lofty depot]

Then we're getting 4 mythic wall breaks

What

[frail tartan]

[lofty depot]

I haven't got far left once

I get orange sometimes

[livid jay]

which weakaura are you using?

[outer wolf]

are the servers up

[frail tartan]

Yea maybe it works without it idk the guy that had problems installed mrt and redone WA and it was fine next day

[lofty depot]

Yea well I haven't had him reinstall weakauras yet

And or showed me his shit

So will find out before raid

[livid jay]

liquid wa or ns?

[lofty depot]

Liquid