im trying that out on fract prog rq
#balance
lofty depot
maiden pasture
on my alt guy
is this being put into the base apl or @lucid olive
whats the reason for trees before CA, do you know? @digital berry
wet mountain
So how are we simming dungeon slice now, since the dungeon slice on raidbots wasnt accurate? I saw someone mention that I should check the compendium / sims for mythic dungeon tools route sim but I don't see anything listed in either place related to that.
digital berry
just to see if any other variation of the double ca is better
maiden pasture
So how are we simming dungeon slice now, since the dungeon slice on raidbots was...
digital berry
No idea
maiden pasture
ctrl+f is a powerful tool
delicate perch
why do that when he can rage bait you into doing it for him
lucid olive
why
because the goal is just to sim for opener
so limiting it to 1m without variance makes it easiest to see the difference
in a 5m sim the difference might be like 0.4% or whatever
but if you narrow it down to 60 seconds without variance you can see the swings easier
ionic oak
So no buffs yet? For sure. Checking back tomorrow
wet mountain
ctrl+f is a powerful tool
Thanks, I saw the simc section in the compendium and figured it was going to be in there, and since its specific to simulation, there wouldnt be a very specific and useful information about simc in another place in the compendium
delicate perch
So no buffs yet? For sure. Checking back tomorrow
yep 3% surge buff in a week
dense steeple
we never did 🙂
wet mountain
yes I understand that
lofty depot
some of us never did
tiny tendon
yall do sims other than patchwerk?
ionic oak
yep 3% surge buff in a week
OP
tiny tendon
lucid olive
is this being put into the base apl or <@147914503588282368>
idk
might look at it tomorrow
no motivation
spec sucks anyway so why polish a turd
lucid olive
@craggy sonnet the only mfer out here crazy enough to still be testing shit, he's a real one
delicate perch
classic "expert" advice
wet mountain
will patchwerk sims give different results from MDT Route Sims?
delicate perch
sure, the difference won't be that big outside of maybe trinkets though
and even then.. just think
wet mountain
what about things like ascension
lucid olive
idk how mdt sims handle ascension
delicate perch
threads probably still slightly better in + but embels are shit
lucid olive
but embellishments dont matter anyway
fringe basin
Anyone know if we use Fury of Elune on CD when in Elune spec for 4p proc, or do we hold for much higher ramp windows? Are we shooting for specific bonus damage gain, or just full send?
lucid olive
on cd
ionic oak
Anyone know if we use Fury of Elune on CD when in Elune spec for 4p proc, or do ...
Send
delicate perch
lucid olive
FoE is too valuable
fringe basin
Thank you, wasn't quite sure, didn't know if I should be holding for like 3 or 4 stacks guarantee or just continue to press on cd with the cd reduction from your other arcane spells
lucid olive
no you try your hardest to proc and get stacks when its on CD
and you punch monitor when it comes up and you're still at 1
ionic oak
1>0
delicate perch
1? how'd you high roll
lucid olive
got 6 stacks twice in the first minute
i was keeping up with the human specs on the first minute too..
minor umbra
I got the KotG rotation down and got a good parse on soulbinder yippee
ionic oak
Im surprised youre raiding as boomkin actually
lucid olive
its just soul hunters really
craggy sonnet
<@140589769158688769> the only mfer out here crazy enough to still be testing sh...
im in the trenches, man .. its dirty down here
lucid olive
i'm sat on the other ones
lucid olive
i was playing with the old moonkin model on Soul Hunters too
such a vibe really
new one kinda stinks
digital berry
next week we'll be relevant surely
fringe basin
I am getting 90 parses, and got a 97 for soulhunters, You can def feel the dip in players, as well as the power of the boomy :/ Once again, only "good" for 1 fight in the raid
tight skiff
100% parse on dh fight loses to grey destro parses lul
lucid olive
gg
tiny tendon
pretty good
tiny tendon
I like it more
maiden pasture
scenic mist
pretty good
lofty depot
pretty good
scenic mist
lofty depot
👀
tight skiff
Took this screenshot when he was still the rank 1 parse
scenic mist
Took this screenshot when he was still the rank 1 parse
on fractillus ?
tight skiff
That’s soul hunters
lucid olive
yeah you always have to make sure you filter only damage to bosses when you look at fractillus
real useful that
you don't want to see all the PAD
scenic mist
you don't want to see all the PAD
lofty depot
yeah you always have to make sure you filter only damage to bosses when you look...
well i was swapping from soulbinder
fuggn dork
lucid olive
didnt
lucid olive
fuggn dork
lofty depot
lucid olive
tiny tendon
what made you choosen 80th percentile
sorry i had to quickly pull araz
80th percentile is usually my aim goal for prog kills and where I see most of my raid group
lucid olive
thats my guilds motw
scenic mist
lmao
tiny tendon
accurate name for it
dreamy kiln
what settings do you use for simming? dungeon slice? patchwork single boss? for M+? ty in advance
dreamy kiln
kk, ty
dreamy kiln
oooo
tiny tendon
araz down 
digital berry
EZ PZ
craggy sonnet
pretty good
hey, we are already 1.5% better on that fight!
tacit ledge
uncheck cast bar
i dont have uncheck cast bar juat can move cast bar
scenic mist
i dont have uncheck cast bar juat can move cast bar
cant you click the cast bar
?
and get additional options
maybe i'm crazy
digital berry
fract is so easy but damn is it frustrating
tacit ledge
digital berry
everything is assigned how are people messing up
tacit ledge
cant you click the cast bar
take a look
scenic mist
take a look
cant you just uncheck this ?
or does it just hide the option panel and not the actual cast bar
tacit ledge
nope i cant hide
scenic mist
nope i cant hide
lucid olive
nope i cant hide
scenic mist
try this
scenic mist
https://wago.io/EguTHZ8Lu
dude
lucid olive
That's crazy
scenic mist
i was here first
tacit ledge
xd
craggy sonnet
green name always first
tacit ledge
https://wago.io/B_ze1K7S-
tyyy my bro🤍
tacit ledge
https://wago.io/EguTHZ8Lu
and ty 2🤍
lucid olive
Don't thank ashi he's french
obtuse marsh
wtf is this shit, im rerolling to feral lfmao
lucid olive
Damn straight
lofty depot
wtf is this shit, im rerolling to feral lfmao
call ur ele's shit
vague thorn
i agree they´re both terrible
tacit ledge
i dont have this option but i get wa ty ❤️
tardy jasper
hello team i uh i dont have any logs but my druid is likd 695~ and has 4 set but in keys I do like 3.5 mil single target and the problem the real mystery is that on aoe i do... like 3.5
not counting the first pull where everyone goes really huge, on those i do like 8m but 1-2 packs i just do the same as st and cant figure out why
tardy jasper
really huge is in reference to how everyone pulls absurdly big at the start of a key
not the damage number
the damage number is the problem like my homie on dh will do 20m in the aforementioned huge pull and then still be in the same ballpark as me in st like idgi
trail hinge
with forge and convoke, hows the idea of not running whirling stars? not sure where id put the talent point afterwards, i was just thinking.
lucid olive
Go read the Compendium guide in pins or go watch streamers or other people play
lofty depot
would guess ur playing incorrectly and should get a log then post it
lucid olive
with forge and convoke, hows the idea of not running whirling stars? not sure w...
Why would you run the other one
lofty depot
with forge and convoke, hows the idea of not running whirling stars? not sure w...
then u couldnt double ca, and its just less
tardy jasper
i must be playing hilariously incorrectly
trail hinge
my double CA keeps getting fucked by the dim tank smash, and its annoying me
normal pilot
just log the next key/boss you do
stuck quartz
trail hinge
bait
lofty depot
my double CA keeps getting fucked by the dim tank smash, and its annoying me
why is the smash fucking u
trail hinge
probably not pooling AP to starsurge in mid air
scenic mist
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
lofty depot
but yea
scenic mist
trying to kill me showing this ?
scenic mist
these first 6sec of CA are banable offense
trail hinge
2nd dryad?
lofty depot
what do u think happens
trail hinge
lucid olive
Dryad dies and you spawn a 2nd one and get 4pc
scenic mist
the dryad fading doesnt matter
dryad fading = you get the surge buff x2
scenic mist
Dryad dies and you spawn a 2nd one and get 4pc
yeah ok so you just griefed yourself some time to keep building 4p dmg
lucid olive
Bro you were on the PTR dummies with me for hours how do you not know 
scenic mist
Bro you were on the PTR dummies with me for hours how do you not know <:crying:9...
i literaly only played feral since live launched
cause
duh
lucid olive
Fr*nch
scenic mist
once again, true
what can i say
u got me
but i'm showing these cats how the game should be played
rocking the 100 boss dmg parses
only relevant metric
(plot twist is i'm the only feral logging public)
scenic mist
no way
these two trinkets are huge
for lots of dps like hunters and rogues and dks
lofty depot
huge for rogue or feral kek
viral cliff
id rather see kris which I have yet to see 
only saw 1 pair of boots which I lost to a DH who had floor POV of that boss the entire time
scenic mist
id rather see kris which I have yet to see <:kekLeo:779145080257642517>
we did 2 mythic fractilus kills
both kills gave 2 voidglass kriss EACH
trail hinge
mythic splits
scenic mist
yeah keyboard science is hard
scenic mist
mythic splits
rather a kill last week and this week
delicate perch
nice ms
stone ledge
ended up going full st on araz to help skip intermission 2 we parse on the reclear
drifting plank
ended up going full st on araz to help skip intermission 2 we parse on the recle...
i was parsing 95 using starfire
then i changed to st and parsed 35
but we made progress
i'm fucked
scenic mist
i was parsing 95 using starfire
only parse that matters is boss dmg
stone ledge
progress > parse
scenic mist
cause only the boss has to die
craggy sonnet
ended up going full st on araz to help skip intermission 2 we parse on the recle...
you made the push?
and then had to play full p2?
or how does that work
scenic mist
or how does that work
boss knocks you back and starts p2 whenever he reaches 15% hp
craggy sonnet
i know
scenic mist
i didnt get your interrogation then mb
craggy sonnet
but not during the dmg amp, right?
craggy sonnet
oh
stone ledge
and then had to play full p2?
yeah 15 to 0 full p2
craggy sonnet
did you guys lust first amp?
craggy sonnet
what timer did you push the boss?
im just wondering cause you do not want to play super long p2 i thought
so pushing with 2nd amp where you have lust + cds i thought shortens that significantly
stone ledge
lofty depot
oo no 2 amp
stone ledge
ye
scenic mist
but not during the dmg amp, right?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D6hbN3R9d4vPwpac?fight=64&view=replay&position=368172
you can look at our reclear
boss starts 2nd intermission with 18.5% hp
we do dmg before the amp (lust is on) and he has only 16.1% when 2nd amp starts
he has some lag but cancels the amp buff at 6.07 (13.1%)
by the time he finishes the knock cast he's at 8%
free p2
stone ledge
dont judge my p2 my brain did not work
safe egret
For running delve/Open world content I'm sure most things work fine. but should i just use M+ talents or look for something else?
craggy sonnet
ok .. so you pushed him kinda already in the 2nd inter
stone ledge
yeah right as intermission was aabout to start
scenic mist
ok .. so you pushed him kinda already in the 2nd inter
yeah
fucks the parses but hey, faster fight
craggy sonnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D6hbN3R9d4vPwpac?fight=64&view=replay&posit...
yea, ok
i wasnt aware of the cancel
but just having lust and all cds while he starts casting his p2 thing
stone ledge
cancel is cool but also not parse friendly til we get more gear to push after 1st amp
craggy sonnet
makes p2 free
craggy sonnet
prolly not worth attempting to push him this week then right?
its like super tight
wind mason
class tuning where
potent cargo
scenic mist
class tuning where
dont dream
devs are on midnight
stone ledge
been my details name all week
covert coyote
the patch lasts until remix launches
scenic mist
been my details name all week
got your answer right there
scarlet hamlet
what should my first craft be?
scarlet hamlet
I only have a champion haste/mastery oh
scarlet hamlet
yes i know
i dont have any other weapons right now
still using my 2h crafted 681
lofty depot
i dont have any other weapons right now
then u craft 2h
hazy storm
scenic mist
gz
digital berry
holy shit fract on mythic is a joke
Yeah and then you spend 30 pulls on people dropping wrong shit or dying on the 4 minutes break set
simple canyon
is there a way to see what surges were buffed by dryad favor in logs? trying to figure out why one pull on forge in damage amp i had 2 surges hit for 100m a piece and on others they are hitting for 1/3 of that. cant even tell what ones are buffed.
digital berry
is there a way to see what surges were buffed by dryad favor in logs? trying to ...
You can check whether or not the casts had all the buffs they needed to have
In the timeline
Afaik
digital berry
sounds about right
25% after 7 pulls, 6% after 30 pulls for us
simple canyon
thanks
tiny tendon
We had 1.4 and 1.7% wipes tonight in our like 40 minutes of prog
Dies next raid night
digital berry
How the fuck are you crittin for 100 mill
Like
What
Find it hard to believe when my crits are 40 mill
lofty depot
Find it hard to believe when my crits are 40 mill
lock in
simple canyon
was going to be a 100 parse if we killed
lofty depot
from my pull last night
vital hound
was going to be a 100 parse if we killed
holy heck
lofty depot
was going to be a 100 parse if we killed
post log
lofty depot
hm
simple canyon
none of my other pulls are close to that damge in the amp
digital berry
Am I blind or is there no 100 mill surge
There’s a 67 and a 70
On first amp I didn’t crit a single fucking surge, 0/4
simple canyon
think its the dryad favor and surge combined for the 100 each
dont know what the dray favor is damage wise. is that how much the surge is buffed by?
digital berry
Oh I didn’t realize it separates the dmg
lofty depot
dont know what the dray favor is damage wise. is that how much the surge is buff...
dryad favor is the splash
digital berry
Oh yeah fuck that’s not right
simple canyon
oh
digital berry
80 mill sounds right
digital berry
But I’m still mad I didn’t crit a single fucking time in amp
simple canyon
so thats probably it then one pull there were adds there for big splash damage and others they werent
digital berry
In fact I feel like on kill pull I messed up second amp
@lofty depot can you take a look real quick at second amp around 6 mins in on my log ?
Cause I got one crit for 38 mill and one non crit for 15 mill in amp and that sounds like it’s very low so maybe I was missing some buffs or smth
So I crit 1 out of 6 surges in amp
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> can you take a look real quick at second amp around 6 min...
send log
leaden birch
for your 2nd craft, are y'all crafting it with runed or gilded?
lofty depot
runed prob
leaden birch
ye makes sense
digital berry
for your 2nd craft, are y'all crafting it with runed or gilded?
I just used the free crest on the wrist and called it a day
jaunty blaze
When do you want to ca for dmg amp there actually
simple canyon
looks like you pushed the phase and he lost the amp. only lasted 5 seconds
lofty depot
yea unforch
digital berry
Ohhh
Oh damn I knew I was missing something
Still hung up over the fact that I didn’t crit a single time in first intermission
digital berry
When do you want to ca for dmg amp there actually
It’s a bit tricky
You want to ca at the end of intermission when canisters are like at 15%, charge it up and let it end without surging, giving you 15 seconds to reach amp
jaunty blaze
So you use second ca at start of amp send the buffed surges and convoke after
digital berry
1 second before amp u ca, waste 2 gcds on like starfall, trees, convoke( it uses the first 2 amped surges), and then as dryad expires use the other 2 surges
jaunty blaze
I see
digital berry
If you use potent and control you should have the ability to do this for both amp phases
vagrant prawn
Can anyone give me some tips on my log idk if its just gear diff or is there something im doing completely wrong
digital berry
As long as you don’t sit on 2/2 charges in first intermission for too long
past tide
Nothing beats a jet 2 holiday
digital berry
And right now, you can save 50 pounds per person
past tide
Thats 200 pounds for a family of 4
digital berry
a lot of new boomkins do this where they get asp and send it all the time
I do that too fuck you gonna do about it punk
lofty depot
sending surge right before trees seesm wrong
lofty depot
I do that too fuck you gonna do about it punk
L, no r1
jaunty blaze
Sending for the vibes
vagrant prawn
Do the 2 starsurges need to hit while in CA or just need to be cast?
lofty depot
trees at the start of eclipse not the end
lofty depot
Do the 2 starsurges need to hit while in CA or just need to be cast?
u need to cast them inside ca
again, sending surges before a cd
jaunty blaze
4 sec tree delay church of clecia
jaunty blaze
upper anvil
are you folks using crit chain on your belt in raid?
vagrant prawn
Is it best to end tree buff dumping astral for the damage amp?
jaunty blaze
Vers for me
lofty depot
Uhh vers ye
upper anvil
ic
jaunty blaze
Do le simulation
upper anvil
pretty sure crit sims higher for me, lemme redo sims
lofty depot
Is it best to end tree buff dumping astral for the damage amp?
For ur dryad buff, u want to send those surges inside said buff yes
I simmed it and it was neutral for me
digital berry
If it’s neutral I’d take crit cause fuck me does it feel bad to not crit those surges
upper anvil
im trying to make a raid set, so figuring out stat amounts, i can get moore verse and some but not much crit but i lose decent mastery, cant drop haste that much yet
crit sims .6% better 🤔
digital berry
Can you cancel aura ca to spawn dryad early ?
lofty depot
If it’s neutral I’d take crit cause fuck me does it feel bad to not crit those s...
I have antenna tho
I have crit
digital berry
I have antenna tho
I have jug ffs
lofty depot
Hmm
digital berry
Surely antenna in my 1 vault slot next week
lofty depot
Next week, I gotta grind keys or delves before taid
Upgrade everything and parse like a king
digital berry
Bro my fract northern sky weak aura speaks one specific line with a Swedish accent
It’s so jarring
lofty depot
With countdown stuff I use russian
digital berry
Hmm how dare you appropriate my Slavic culture
lofty depot
It sounds like nothing else, so when Russian come on I know what mechanic specifically it is per fight
digital berry
Turi, tu, wan
mental coral
Why does it feel like I'm using a whiffle bat instead of the real thing? Doing so low damage ony 702 boomy. What changed?
mental coral
Oh my
lofty depot
whos dead meat
mental coral
Oh I know I am. I'm playing awful
I'm using what appears to be a very similar to the m+ build that I took off archon
delicate perch
lofty depot
- stop using that
- m+ build in raid probably not smart
mental coral
I had a feeling that was outlandish. I'll use the wowhead raid build then
safe egret
what's a good window to use chosen of elune? when i'm using warrior of elune?
lofty depot
I had a feeling that was outlandish. I'll use the wowhead raid build then
use dreamgrove.gg and look at warcraftlogs per fight
mental coral
My toon name katakura
lofty depot
what's a good window to use chosen of elune? when i'm using warrior of elune?
is chosen elune celestial alignment or fury of elune, hm
safe egret
celestial alignment
mental coral
use dreamgrove.gg and look at warcraftlogs per fight
Will do, thanks
lofty depot
ok so, u dont use ca based on if u have woe
u use CA generally at the start of packs because its ur biggest damage cd
then u have a secondary filter of want to press fury of elune
woe is often times up when u have ca, because woe is 45 seconds and ca is 100
safe egret
so is there anything to tie it to when i should be pushing it other than "want to do more damage" ?
lofty depot
like i said, u want foe with it because it increases ur damage and does a big boundless aoe.... and woe will get u more starfires inside that cd
safe egret
okay i gotcha
lofty depot
but yea using CA doesn't need to be used right away because the charges dont lose value unless ur holding both
so if ur tank is being cringe u can pick and choose kinda
but generally ur sending ur cds at the start of packs
scenic mist
so is there anything to tie it to when i should be pushing it other than "want t...
make sure you have all targets fully dotted before pressing
safe egret
okay sweet, thank you. i was never really sure what to do on like eally long fights
scenic mist
incarn is short, you should not do anything but starfire and spenders while inside
(starfire being the main thing)
(unhinged i know)
broken mulch
what slot is our ideal off-piece this tier?
scenic mist
what slot is our ideal off-piece this tier?
shoulder afaik
but the reality on the ground is just take w/e sims higher when you can
broken mulch
mean yea, but it just so happens I have all 4 slots in my vault for my moonkin alt and I dont know which one to pick 😂
scenic mist
mean yea, but it just so happens I have all 4 slots in my vault for my moonkin a...
yeah but you might have, idk, only shoulders and head ready to catalyse in your bags, or whatever
like dont hinder yourself just because you're thinking "shoulders should be my offset"
is what i meant
scenic mist
ultimately whatever offset piece you choose wont make a lot of a difference
scenic mist
what slot is our ideal off-piece this tier?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b9aajPBehURrqHf6m7Li67/simc
this is an attempt at a "bis" gear, you can take inspiration there
(bis gear doesnt mean anything now our days, and hasnt really for years, but you get it)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c61N2ko2pSKjJWRbSb22Fj/simc
this is EC (first one was KOTG)
wicked shuttle
what slot is our ideal off-piece this tier?
Depends on m+ vs raid
Bc they’re different
livid jay
I really wonder what amount of prep goes into Raids by for example Recruitie' and Dak's guild to get these insane pullcounts on the earlier bosses? How do you oneshot Plexus (understandable with prep), Soulbinder (understandable aswell) but then go do Loomithar in 6 pulls (dafaq, we havent even made it to p2 by pull 6) and then after being stuck a little on Araz due to tuning kill Fractillus in 6 Pulls and then Soul Hunters in 10?? How is that possible xD
jaunty blaze
Raid too easy gg
livid jay
Ok our Pull 6 on Loom was a 51% wipe so almost p2 i guess
dire osprey
lowkey yea lol
but that does seem sick yea 6 pulls
fractillius yea probably understandable tho 
jaunty blaze
I mean fractillus is a boss simply solved by a weakaura no
If you didn't have that it would be hard
dire osprey
loomithar probably harder lol
wicked shuttle
I really wonder what amount of prep goes into Raids by for example Recruitie' an...
Probably not that much LOL. Those fights are just not that hard
It really depends on quality of player you have
It’s gonna be more on individual players being prepared than guild prep imo
past whale
i guess its all about preparation. you and all your raiders know the mechanics and actually do the mechanics. communication during the pull is important too. and also these bosses are not too hard.
livid jay
Yea, we are a WR 500-600 guild atm but the Gap in skill to the top 100 seems to be massive actually
I wonder what the individuals do to prep then tho
livid jay
Everybody watching multiple povs of their spec?
round field
Depends on the guild
dire osprey
we didnt do that and were like 10% after 20 pulls or so
so i assume people that do do that
wicked shuttle
Yea, we are a WR 500-600 guild atm but the Gap in skill to the top 100 seems to ...
Yes. I think it’s understated how massive the gap is. Also on loomithar it’ll be understated how much comp / gear matter to your potential fail cases to that boss. Lock is turbo broken on that boss and your only fail cases is a damage check on the tangles.
upper anvil
the fights arent too bad its very much so a player issue, like in my guild ive seen some people just not understand big red fat line on stars on nexus 💀
dire osprey
will sweep
livid jay
Like i can play my new rotation and pump with my class but i still occasionally accidently backpaddle into a loomithar p1 web or shit like this... guess the big boys just dont do stuff like that
round field
They do
dire osprey
they also got other people to take them out
round field
Weve all seen rwf raiders do some questionable things
dire osprey
if they fuck up
round field
Just not as often
wicked shuttle
It’s not that they never make mistakes, they’ll just make them 1/100 pulls instead of 1/50
or whatever
round field
Nah
livid jay
Yes. I think it’s understated how massive the gap is. Also on loomithar it’ll be...
i can show you a completely new fail case
wicked shuttle
Well in theory the only way to wipe on that boss is missing pylon soaks (should never happen) or missing a tangle damage check (the hard part of the boss)
livid jay
its called new healer gets pissed cause his cds are sent into air in p1 to get them on cd, proceeds to swap do m+ talents and only do damage and barely any healing xD
i wonder what serious guild woulda done here
past whale
Everybody watching multiple povs of their spec?
yeah, thats a good start, and seeing the mechanics on the fights. some ppl dont do research before fighting a boss, they can only see the mechanics when the raid is on the boss. mythictrap is a good resource for that because you can see how the mechanic looks like and when you get it, you know what to do with it before you go to the boss.
livid jay
firm warning from us to never do it again
dire osprey
its called new healer gets pissed cause his cds are sent into air in p1 to get t...
gkick
round field
yeah, thats a good start, and seeing the mechanics on the fights. some ppl dont ...
Depends on the player
wicked shuttle
Yeah I mean you don’t have those people in your guild to begin with normally lol
livid jay
yea idk kinda came out of nowhere
round field
I for example can watch 5 vods of a fight and read a guide
And still die to the first mechanic
Cause i havent actually seen it in game
wicked shuttle
Yeah I normally just test on PTR to get the feel of a boss
livid jay
yea i honestly dont even have the time to prep this much, work into weeklies into tactic prep into constant lootcouncil stress during clears
wicked shuttle
Use heroic to figure out the vibes
livid jay
yah
livid jay
I for example can watch 5 vods of a fight and read a guide
I never really take away much from watching boomkin vods
i can see where they press cd's on lorrgs and if they surge/fall whatever on their log
Guess some positioning but no chance i remember that by the time we actually get to the boss
do i have to take notes or what xD
pallid bay
I really wonder what amount of prep goes into Raids by for example Recruitie' an...
the bosses arent really hard
safe kite
Just ake mental notes. Most of the bosses in this game have very few painpoints where things are actually hard.
pallid bay
they also do PTR testing with guild i think
when boss is sub 10 pulls and you've already pulled it on PTR its basically free
livid jay
Ya, we tried setting up PTR tests but only had like half the guild cause the rest cba'd in the raidlog phase of the tier
round field
Well ye
wicked shuttle
Kinda normal, yeah
round field
Ur wr 600 its normal no one cares about ptr testing
pallid bay
like if you take plexus, the boss is just
dont stand in shit
group soak
press cloak
loom is
dont stand in shit
kill add
stand in front of beam
soak frontal
safe kite
I mean it's about the level of your guild then if you're not happy about the level then perform good enough to climb higher.
round field
Soulbinder is the easiest boss in the raid aswell
Stand behind container
Stack
Kill add
pallid bay
round field
Boss dies
round field
Man i fucking hate forgeweaver holy shit
livid jay
I mean it's about the level of your guild then if you're not happy about the lev...
I probably could but i mainly play cause of the community and the guys i been playing with for 5+ years
State of the game is so bad if i'd quit/change guild i'd just stop playing the game
round field
I can barely see any effects on that fight
pallid bay
pallid bay
Kinda normal, yeah
hows nexus treating you guys
safe kite
Then you just have to accept the chill tax. I used to play at a much higher level but I can not be arsed with multiple characters, learning multiple specs running splits and all the try hard shit, and tax to not have to deal with that is that some people in my guild does not understand what the words "Switch from the boss" means untill they've wiped 10 times at loomithar and that's a fair enough trade for me.
pallid bay
dw we're yelling at our guys to swap as well
livid jay
Then you just have to accept the chill tax. I used to play at a much higher leve...
Yea, its just crazy to feel pretty good being at 3/8 Mythic and having recleared all of HC and all of Mythic 3 bosses in one night yesterday and then u look at top boomkin logs and all the big boys just killed fractillus in 7 pulls or some shit 😄
funny
pallid bay
people will be like "but it ints my damage" or "i dont do damage to them anyway"
livid jay
guess raid is really easy comparably
pallid bay
but they're talking about the only wipe condition in p1
pallid bay
well then you dont have an issue
round field
(it doesnt)
safe kite
people will be like "but it ints my damage" or "i dont do damage to them anyway"
"I have a really long ramp it's just not worth it guys"
safe kite
Yea that man inting
livid jay
xD
ive not played something in a while that feels as dogshit as boomkin the moment u swap to tangles
u dot first one and two casts later its dead
u dot second one and 4 casts laster its dead
safe kite
That should feel good because it means your guild can never wipe on that fight again because all the tangles are being done '
only thing left is to stand on your orb and chill
livid jay
orb?
safe kite
Orb that shoots the lightning line thing
obsidian jetty
It’s not that they never make mistakes, they’ll just make them 1/100 pulls inste...
livid jay
Orb that shoots the lightning line thing
isnt that a pillar xD
obsidian jetty
just don't let them raid 18hours straight, or you'll get alot of clips like this
safe kite
it's an orb that shoots lightning call it what you want
livid jay
sure
yea im getting a*ds doing that mechanic
my dk im partnered with ams's it for ages and i just stand there looking at his stacks
think im gonna stand closer to boss than him next time and just let him step out
safe kite
stand in front of him and have him move don't look at stacks at all
livid jay
ye
scenic mist
just don't let them raid 18hours straight, or you'll get alot of clips like this
imagine the quality of play from rosters like liquid, echo or method if they only raided 3-4hrs/day
safe kite
Just put in china style playtime restrictions connected to your social secrety number, would solve everything.
obsidian jetty
IP ban if you play more than 4hrs a day
in any content
4.1hrs of pet battle, gg
scenic mist
IP ban if you play more than 4hrs a day
reminds me of this league player that wouldnt stop soloQing
team had to cut off the power for him to go to bed
wicked shuttle
hows nexus treating you guys
Our tank couldn’t press growl for 3 out of our 4 hours. Needless to say it went horribly.
I was randomly in and out on the fight like 3 times
Somebody dced, somebody procced a birthday, and we had to sub out our tank for a little bit
Was very very bad
obsidian jetty
we didn't have any problems with the unable to press buttons today, but we have multiple times were several ppl just froze/lagged out for 10+seconds
delicate perch
That’s just a feature though
wicked shuttle
They hotfixed the boss earlier today
obsidian jetty
and then the server MS for me spiked to 460 afterwards
wicked shuttle
Are you playing moonkin on that boss?
obsidian jetty
yea
obsidian jetty
38 pulls
wicked shuttle
1st conqueror I got 100-0ed
obsidian jetty
chunk of those are this PoS ability tho
idk I think our raid CDs are setup to where I don't need to worry about living the group soaks
I basically have to bark or bear anytime I get the dot tho
and the last group soak is spooky without bark
wicked shuttle
idk I think our raid CDs are setup to where I don't need to worry about living t...
Wish that was me fr holy fuck
It’s okay I’m afk on the bench. I couldn’t imagine moonkin is good on that fight
I was playing bounteous to help actually cast
obsidian jetty
I still bear soak 2 often since I'm running around spamming mf sf dodging anyways 
obsidian jetty
It’s okay I’m afk on the bench. I couldn’t imagine moonkin is good on that fight
hard to tell when I'm getting double aug'd
livid jay
double aug on opener must be crazy
obsidian jetty
when we made it to the adds and I double CA on the titan, I do feel useful
dono if I'll be forced to do that on kill or not though
wicked shuttle
“We have arcane mage at home”
livid jay
arcane mage burst can go suck
livid jay
xD
obsidian jetty
real damage
royal zenith
pallid bay
and the last group soak is spooky without bark
the cast before phase change is spooky
that shit hits hard
but you're basically just looking at your spirits anyway
obsidian jetty
yea I decided to just bark first blaze/dot, bearform 2nd blaze/dot, bark 3rd soak/phase swap
and then bear anything else scary 💀
and maybe you live
obsidian jetty
yea idk, as long as ppl press their aoe DRs and stand in the soak, it's not bad
like, simply press amz
wicked shuttle
My guild kinda does whatever with raid comp
So we only have 1 DK
No hpally for AM either
wicked shuttle
It’s the same as we do every tier
I’m not worried. I didn’t wanna be in on that guy anyways
I knew that I would not have a good time
obsidian jetty
outside of the stupid lines going across the room, I actually don't mind the fight
the lines and baiting them and 1 person going early so the bait is aweful is so boring
but otherwise it's not bad
pallid bay
dotc fearl though is so tanky
obsidian jetty
wrong channel buddy
pallid bay
its actually insane compared to bamkin
loud kettle
Yea they buffed it thanks guardian
Was good before
Now its better
Somehow meditation became even more stamina
obsidian jetty
yea, just don't look at the 30s to 1:59s window
dire osprey
pallid bay
Yea they buffed it thanks guardian
missed one of my ghosts so went in the solo tank soak
loud kettle
Its that shrimple
How much healing did wildshape mastery do there
Ig only like 4mil
pallid bay
eh is it grouped with something else?
pallid bay
loud kettle
Sounds toxic enough to be on druid
crude void
Its insane that I did the same exact damage on Soul Hunters with a 2pc and a 4pc 💀Elune set is pure trash
woven pike
Its insane that I did the same exact damage on Soul Hunters with a 2pc and a 4pc...
? 4p is strong on that type of fight, on mm+ though ,it is kinda cringe as most of the time you can not hold the stack for a new pack, stack should not reset or at least not 20 seconds
crude void
I didnt feel any more powerful. That 4pc is utterly cringe. 40% proc on a 2s cast is horrible design and most of the time you just dont have any stacks when you pop CA. Its even worse in m+. Does absolute nothing. If CA would procc a 6stack like in the s2 tier this set would be good.
Currently how it is its just goes against the whole playstyle of EC
woven pike
I didnt feel any more powerful. That 4pc is utterly cringe. 40% proc on a 2s cas...
on soul hunter u just have to hold ur incarn (not the first one on pull) until u have a 5 or 6 stack proc on foe
then boom boom
crude void
Problem is you have to hold FoE aswell which is just a 6% damage loss for all the durations you are holding it
crude void
Then you are spending your stacks aswell
Which is exactly what I am saying
Waiting a CA with 6stack could mean you are holding FoE for 10 seconda
crude void
Okay but how I am stacking 5-6 before CA if I am not holding FoE? Unless a very lucky scenario where the 6 stack gets up when FoE gets off cd
Its a terrible design to play around is what I am saying
By experience everytime when I am getting near to 5-6 I am holding on to FoE
round field
but send incarn on a 5/6 stack one
nah
just press foe when its up
ur not stacking up to 6 ever
woven pike
just press foe when its up
it is what i said
woven pike
"incarn" man
round field
ca = incarn
woven pike
y not foe
lunar prairie
Using nature's grace on sf when exiting eclipse to fish for extra stack, maybe delaying FoE for 2-3 more sf casts to fish for more stacks if ur on 4/5
round field
best way to play around new 4p
is to delete the tracker and play exactly the same as you did last season
lunar prairie
Nah where is the fun in that
round field
ur playing ec
lunar prairie
4p stacks are dopamine
round field
theres no fun in it regardless
crude void
Its dopamine but you got it a from a contaminated needle in Denver from a homeless man who were trying to sell you molly for 1.5$
jaunty blaze
Speaking from experience or?
crude void
I heard it my friends neighbour’s barber who happens to be a boomkin main
jaunty blaze
Type shit
crude void
I hope they do something with this coz its feels like we arent even playing with a tierset
Wild thing is that they even nerfed it the last time like it literally does anything
dire osprey
is to delete the tracker and play exactly the same as you did last season
thats what i did from day 1
it didnt seem significant enough to care about lol
round field
its not
jaunty blaze
I mean i tried playing around it a bit but its literally just gambling and does nothing
Probably even just less dmg
crude void
Its guaranteed less damage
This shit even if stacked to 6 with CA feels nothing
I have a tip for blizzard rework the EC 4set :
Casting CA/Incarn has a 10% chance to cast a Regworth on an ally at 5% effectiveness
It would do the same damage as now
crude void
KotG tierset is fun to play but it got nerfed so bad that balance is 30% behind the before last dps in raid.
Which is insane compared to PTR where it actually was going good
jaunty blaze
Just good for nothing really except 20 seconds burst window
And its not big enough to offset the tank damage in between
steep folio
I'd prefer them to buff spells overall rather than buff the 4p and have us be more absurd for 20sec to then do fuck all until next burst. What do ya'll prefer?
steep folio
Will it tho. If you buff wrath and starsurge. It would only slightly buff m+ ST
jaunty blaze
I hope they somewhat revert the tierset nerf
If they want this to be theme of the season at least make it proper
steep folio
Valid point
sacred whale
Hey guys , how i sim Soleas Technique? or is mugzees mug jug at myhtic the better choice?
past whale
theres an option for the soleah trinket where you can choose which stat you get from it. its somewhere under the fight style.
crude void
And its not big enough to offset the tank damage in between
What do mean by tank damage? Do you mean a 95 orange log that would be grey on a mage or almost anything else? 
jaunty blaze
Pretty much
sacred whale
theres an option for the soleah trinket where you can choose which stat you get ...
i see but if i sim some stats, Mugzees mug jug sims better than Soleas
past whale
☝️
crude void
I dont get why blizzard is afraid of balance being good on ST. They literally made elem shaman the top raid spec which did below tank st damage for seasons
jaunty blaze
If only we were instead good at aoe/cleave
round field
The tuning is horrid this season tbf
its been horrid for way longer
indigo barn
ST is not even the biggest issue this tier. Cleave and burst on low hp adds is what sends us to shadow realm
Sure could use 5-10% aura buff but it wont fix design issues on half the bosses this tier
jaunty blaze
Dunno its been the same last tier aswell no?
Like rik you never did damage to barrels because you just don't have enough time
Only thing we had was stix early
crude void
I tried EC and Keeper on Soulbinder and sending double CA with everything on add phase was enough for a greylog
🥹
And you are literally AFK between addphases
round field
just hit boss
crude void
Tried that aswell on keeper it still was shit while burst specs rocketed to 7 mill on add phase
And this was on Mythic so not even HC where adds live 3 seconda
warm valley
Starsurge always cleave, remove starfall, buff starfire
Fury of Elune auto apply moonfire 
jaunty blaze
Rework mastery
crude void
Being a balance druid is the best thing because people know you as an AoE spec and you are getting hatecrimes sent to your dms for a bad log on an “aoe” fight where you actually still cant do shit
When I first noticed in this season that on M+ starfire is your highest damage and its beats starfall by like 30-40% my honest reaction was : XDD
jaunty blaze
Its ok we only sandbag and cry
crude void
Its the sole reason for class discords to exist or not?
jaunty blaze
More or less
warm valley
In normal pulls they are about even, it pulls way ahead because of ST, where you arent using starfall, but still using starfire, still feels bad that your spender is so close to your builder though
jaunty blaze
Its not even close
crude void
In normal pulls they are about even, it pulls way ahead because of ST, where you...
Thats just not true coz last tier you did exactly the same and starfall was way ahead
warm valley
Set buffed starfall, now set buffs starfire
crude void
Starfall damage this tier feels like a generator damage
jaunty blaze
Idk if your set didn't need to generate asp would you even want to starfall
Except starlord
warm valley
Probably not
round field
Except starlord
2p procs starlord aswell actually
jaunty blaze
True
warm valley
Unless the pack was spread out I imagine, no, you'd just keep spamming starfire 
crude void
Is tierset procces surges counted as starfire or surge damage?
warm valley
Surge
crude void
Then what the fuck are we talking about the set buffing starfire
warm valley
2 set buffs it by 20%
crude void
Oh by that
Well yea it still doesnt explain to my why is ahead by 40% above starfall on at the end of a dungeon where most pulls are over 10 mobs
warm valley
So last season buffed starfall by 20% when mushroom proc, this season buffs starfire by 20%, so you are gaining starfire damage and losing starfall damage at the same time
Creating a greater offset
crude void
Wasnt it just 12% on SF when the shroom effect was up?
warm valley
crude void
Ye was 20a% i see
Checked it aswell
Its insane though that they managed to create an even more lackluster set than the s2 one
warm valley
Still think its funny that they thought it was a good idea to nerf the proc chance of the EC set, and also lower the cleave damage, AND lower the starfire buff and the bonus starsurge damage
jaunty blaze
Dont think they think a lot
warm valley
Love going into a FoE with 0 stacks because it somehow didnt proc once during the whole CD
crude void
I mean if everything was doubled it still would be shit imo
jaunty blaze
Or going into a pull the moment the buff runs out
crude void
The procc rate is the biggest abomination in the whole
Give it 100% and the tierset would still be mid at besz
Best*
warm valley
I dont want RNG anymore, we ain't in the casino season no more, give it 100% and nerf the starsurge again if you have to, it ain't doing any damage as it is anyway
crude void
I mean if stacks would be 100% but on starfall
It would at least match the ramping peocess
warm valley
Id be okay with that, sure
crude void
But in CA ideally you want as few starfires as possible
warm valley
As long as i hit 6 stacks each time
jaunty blaze
Meanwhile destro plays more like boomie in keys than boomie does
And does more damage too
jaunty blaze
Sad times
warm valley
Watching that FoE CD get low, and you have to spend AP and re-DoT while you have 0 stacks is a special kind of pain
crude void
Or the 4% damage buff should not be tied to FoE just flatout he on you until it drops like Starlord or something
Doing bionuclear physics for the most lackluster damage buff ever
warm valley
Oh I still just send it, but man it feels bad with no stacks
round field
Just stop tracking it
crude void
I need a myth track polearm and roll to feral
round field
(feral is also rng disaster)
warm valley
Just stop tracking it
now this might alleviate some pain
Because if we are just sending it anyways, all I am doing is hurting myself when I see i sent it with no stacks 
jaunty blaze
Delete the tracker pretend to always be at full stacks
crude void
Create a tracker hardcoded to 6 stacks and inhale copium
warm valley
Insane idea
One that just ticks up after every starfire regardless of if it went off or not
mental tiger
u guys also feel boomie ST is kinda underwhelming in m+ ?
very good aoe but st not super
warm valley
drifting nova
just balance your group with a good st
to off set you
or just take a dk and get both
warm valley
Arcane mage everywhere, is not problem
drifting nova
I've not seen a rogue in years
crude void
u guys also feel boomie ST is kinda underwhelming in m+ ?
I actually feel its better on ST then on Aoe xD I feel like nothing happens in CA
Only fun pull in existence is floodgate first
warm valley
Priory has some fun pulls
crude void
And I probably do higher DPS on that on feral with a 704 polearm
warm valley
But yeah that pull where you climb on the boxes, in FG? Man
drifting nova
And I probably do higher DPS on that on feral with a 704 polearm
is feral aoe not just swipe?
warm valley
Saw a clip of a feral druid spiking to 75M dps on Big Momma, I think it was in PTR tho
Must've been some nasty swipes
drifting nova
swapped to feral in voti when I got a polearm week 1
gave it 5mins at a dummy and that was it
remembered I'm too dumb for combo classes
crude void
is feral aoe not just swipe?
Feral is atom physics compared to boomkin
But it does even less damage outside CDs
But its actually rewarding when you got things right and fun while boomkin this tier is the bane of my existence
I am just praying for the Myth track polearm from first boss and I am rolling to cat
warm valley
I wonder what kind of buffs they'll announce today, will it be a boring aura buff, something even more substantial, or nothing at all 
cyan thistle
I wonder what kind of buffs they'll announce today, will it be a boring aura buf...
Prob nothing 🫠
warm valley
If this is the case would they not continuously buff our ST until it is at an unreasonable level to get it into a healthy margin of the other classes despite the fact that we cant cleave? 
crude void
I mean I could make a 1 hour compilation video from Liquid Max saying how dogshit balance druid is on raids and they still go forward with nerfs so
Anything is possible
eager pivot
you know boomie is bad when even in a council fight with semi-spread aoe, we are among the bottom dps
crude void
Imagine splitting tiersets to hero talents which actually gives ground to have a competitive aoe and st build and yet be below aug
warm valley
We were below aug a couple times last season to be fair, but for the most part we were a solid second from the bottom
crude void
Well actually be below everything
crude void
This tierset on Kotg would be soo fun if the legendary logs would not worth a green on every literal other spec
But its literally a 20 second fame and then sinking into oblivion
crude void
I mean it would be fun to be the top 1 dps in raid but that is not even what most of us would ask for
Like being the fair middle would probably make us cry from joy
warm valley
Sounds wonderful, when?
crude void
When they for some reason deside to do the same with boomkin as they did to elem
And buff wrath by 50% surge by 30%
warm valley
crude void
and double the dryad cap
jaunty blaze
You will look good by the end of the season when bossfights are 4 minutes and the burst matters
crude void
And make a historically bad ST class top tier
warm valley
Yeah and the buffs we get before then paired with the faster times will definitely help, wont help on Soulbinder though but overall will look nicer 
crude void
You will look good by the end of the season when bossfights are 4 minutes and th...
Yeah they will be 4 minutes because elems dev evokers and DKs burst the boss down
And you can cope on your opener due to busted specs help you not sink as the titanic
Sounds fun
warm meteor
are shards procs from void items even worth it?
crude void
I missed warlocks but despite them being very strong I only saw terrible lock players
So far
jaunty blaze
My wl alt already does more than my boomie and i just press what comes up
Its silly
warm valley
Warlocks are the best 1 button class! Dont even gotta know what's going on to outclass a lot of people in raid 
crude void
Well I am gearing my DH now to ungabunga on M+
jaunty blaze
Especially soul hunters is minblowing with havoc proc
Sit there press chaos bolt
Big numbies
warm valley
Excited for devourer, will be nice to have a different class im excited to play, as much as I like being a boomer
jaunty blaze
Meh midrange poop
warm valley
Was thinking about trying melee, this bring me halfway there
jaunty blaze
crude void
Lets have a meele balance spec where of you hit 10 different abilities in a correct order which is random everytime you get 2% all damage buff
warm valley
Thats okay I'll just keep using starsurge 
crude void
Starsurge a spell that needs resource needs to be built up to use for 20 seconds just to deal s1 damage once and after you can continue spamming wrath for WoTLK damage
I love maining balance
strong bronze
The problem is you have to play damn near perfect , and you'd still be beat by people drooling on their keyboard
crude void
Yea getting 90+ logs on balance and topping Heroic raid meters shows you have absolutely terrible most players are
Like i should be last dps even with orange logs
strong bronze
Boomie in raid is absolutely a horror show
shadow totem
How horrible am I if I'm to lazy to learn EC for m+?