balance

[tender elbow]

A 5% aura buff would go along way, given how other specs have been buffed. Maybe in .5?

[normal pilot]

anyways, that's the "official" simc recommendation

[lucid olive]

keystone guru comes gastank recommended

[mighty mica]

contrary to popular belief, there is such a thing as a dumb question

[lofty depot]

Its not the first thyme someone has said to "close the discord", and it wasn't a good joke the first 500 times either

[lucid olive]

it has the gastank default discord pfp seal of approval

[pseudo merlin]

Blizzard likes balancing around niches, and boomie's niche is good

[lofty depot]

Boomie doesn't have a niche

[pseudo merlin]

it does

bench warming

[lofty depot]

Jack of all trades, master of none

[lilac citrus]

what dung u guys sim mostly or just pick a few

[tender elbow]

I wasn’t joking either, but alas. Maybe in .5 like it was in Nerub’Ar

[lofty depot]

Nah, tuning soon

[tender elbow]

We aren’t jacking shit anymore, that’s the problem 😅 at least not on mythic

[lofty depot]

8% surely

[tender elbow]

I believe

[lucid olive]

yeah cause we were so good after .5..

[pseudo merlin]

I mean what other spec has this super large radius spread cleave damage profile, maybe SP but that requires comparatively a ton of setup

[tender elbow]

Even 5% would go a long way

[tender elbow]

We got like 6% buff, no?

[pseudo merlin]

nathria council and bomb boss

🙃

[tender elbow]

I don’t remember the exact numbers

[lofty depot]

Starfall 50% inc, reduce duration to 6 sec

[pseudo merlin]

and rend blackhand

[lucid olive]

like a week after .5 released we got a big buff

[pseudo merlin]

that's blizzards vision

[lucid olive]

not with the patch

first week after patch we were dogshit

[tender elbow]

How long after did .5 arrive, was it a month later or so?

[frozen solar]

Yo guys on Araz mythic for dmg amp should we start earlier to have the x2 surges in the amp?

i pop CA/FoN as the amp starts

[lucid olive]

8 weeks after expansion release

[frozen solar]

feel like only convoke fits in the amp

[lofty depot]

U could use a naked CA during the last part of pylons to get it ready

Thhen have everything for amp, and send 4 buffed surges into amp

[frozen solar]

a ok

[lofty depot]

With trees convoke

[lilac citrus]

this expert footer sim is what he thinks u should do overall in the dungeon or what ?

[lucid olive]

well there's a lot of variables

but the goal isn't to get a "this is your overall after key" result

the goal is to get "what item is better for this situation" result

[tender elbow]

Ah. Given that the current patch released 5th Aug, I guess one more month of wait 😅

[lilac citrus]

fair but still that shit is way way off

[lucid olive]

maybe skill issue

[lilac citrus]

i mean its very little dps

it says 4.2mil

[tender elbow]

@lofty depot soonTM

[drifting nova]

want the 3% more than that tbh but cannot get

[jade drift]

just gonna drop this rq, but i dont like our mastery and gameplay based around spenders

[lucid olive]

yeah the number doesnt matter for what you're gonna achieve

[jade drift]

rework bamkin from the scratch

[lucid olive]

what

[tender elbow]

You’re asking too much brother 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[lilac citrus]

to be fair the result of the loot is kinda the same with what i was simming :P:

[drifting nova]

every spec is builder spender

it's cookie cutter

[lilac citrus]

need to swap 1 item

[lofty depot]

U don't like gameplay based around spender

Seems sus

[lilac citrus]

does the mdt sim also work with droptemizer ?

[lucid olive]

it should

[craggy sonnet]

yea

[jade drift]

rn surge isnt feeling impactful

nor starfall

everything seems meanless

[drifting nova]

little birdy told me you're a cat main now

[lofty depot]

What

Surge isn't impactful?

[jade drift]

our dots doesnt do damage, outside cooldowns surge is ass

[drifting nova]

hahaaa

trueee

[craggy sonnet]

but realistically, the only thing diff from just 1t5m are some niche trinket effects that scale with target count and haste being slightly more valuable

[drifting nova]

return to dot gameplay

[jade drift]

give me an identity

[drifting nova]

spec niches havent really existed for like 10years now

it's old news

[lilac citrus]

not that gear matters boomie on the bench anyhow 😛

not even in on soul hunter prog lol

[lofty depot]

Surge hits for like 4-5m outside cds

[lilac citrus]

where we should shine

[lofty depot]

And 40m in cds

[frozen solar]

@lofty depot thanks instant +1mil dps diff 🙂

[jade drift]

yea, but everything else does no dmg at all

[lofty depot]

Yea, welcome to boomkin

[jade drift]

been here a long time chief

[lofty depot]

It's been like this for years

[jade drift]

and im tired

[drifting nova]

dont worry

[stone ledge]

Definitely feels impactful

[lofty depot]

U want wrath to do 40% of our damage?

[drifting nova]

the glory days of class design will be back soon

with remix

[jade drift]

i miss legion gameplay

[lucid olive]

meow

[jade drift]

fucking awesome

[drifting nova]

the 2nd best class design period

[drifting nova]

you were the birdy

[lofty depot]

U can play it soon

[jade drift]

high consistency dmg gameplay was the key for me

we didnt had a giga burst

but we didnt fall too much either

[lofty depot]

But ur surge impact problem wasn't why legion was good

[drifting nova]

doesnt help every raid is the same reducing amount of styles

1 aoe fight..if that

[jade drift]

if you kept your rotation clean, your dmg wasnt go down

[drifting nova]

rest st

[obsidian jetty]

some pulls it was doing like 3%+ of my overall. Unlucky on the kill it was poop. Crashing was only doing like 2-3% which isn't actually it's dmg since it converts shooting stars, and only gave iirc 100ap extra over a 6m pull. So I just assumed it would be the worst talent. Shroom has the added of slowing the adds if it procs which is nice

[jade drift]

but since its remix, we playing with TWW gameplay, or imma wrong?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[royal zenith]

forgeweaver is incredibly fun on boomie

can recommend

smile

[lofty depot]

Incredibly fun doing no damage compared to everyone yes

[lilac citrus]

are we sure u get the legion talents ?

it was normal talents in mist remix right

[digital berry]

I did have fun progging Araz

[lofty depot]

U don't

[digital berry]

Just doing my thing

Feeling important

Shooting to the top during amp

( not really top by any stretch of the imagination, more like 5th)

[vital hull]

Did you save both CA’s for amp?

[grand radish]

Which two trinkets are best between So'leahs, Azhiccaran, and Lily?

Guides recommend Azhiccaran as best of the three, but both AoE and ST sims i run show lily being strongest

[digital berry]

Ish

[lofty depot]

Sim > funny tier list

[digital berry]

I used the first one during intermission to have dryad buff at the start of amp phase

To shoot 4 buffed surges into it

[vital hull]

And then convoke, 2nd CA and buffed surges into amp?

[unique cypress]

on forgweaver mythic, do we go into starfire or wrath and just use the 3 dreameruptions from treants for the aoe dmg on the adds spawned beside starfall

[lofty depot]

Solar >

Lunar beans

[digital berry]

1 sec before amp use ca, starfall x2 if you have asp, trees convoke. Let convoke consume the first 2 buffed surges

[lucid olive]

guess you did it wrong then https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ADwKkVHprjGC6ZNnWRMjj

[craggy sonnet]

yea, maybe. but you definitely wanna play umbral intensity. been looking at some of the top logs and seems like crashing star is like 1.5% and around 250 ap

so its probably a close call compared to goldrinn

[craggy charm]

The dream grove balance guide says to pop CA tight as the first set of dryads expire, but they only last 10 seconds compared to the 12 sec duration of CA. Can you not just cast your 2 amped star surges at the end of the first CA rather than overlapping them by 2 seconds? Was wondering about this last night.

[digital berry]

The overlap is for boat

The sims show it’s a dps increase to do it

So we do

[craggy charm]

Oh, duh

[lofty depot]

And trees

[lucid olive]

ye you spend it in a fully stacked boat with treant buff up

[lofty depot]

So u have 2 big buffs for the surges

[digital berry]

Yeah but if it wasn’t for boat you’d just wait till second trees to ca

[lucid olive]

some might call it a yacth and not a boat

[craggy sonnet]

oh btw

[lofty depot]

U and ur fuggn yacht

[vital hull]

Gotcha so that’s your 2nd CA as you built up the 1st in the intermission. Then end with 2 last buffed surges.

appreciate that!

[lofty depot]

Are we doing funny amp sims

[craggy sonnet]

no 1min

[obsidian jetty]

I'm guessing you mean inspiration, which I was playing yea. Intensity might be close to worth dropping lowkey

[craggy sonnet]

just first 2 cas

[digital berry]

You can also use your Araz trinket right as the first intermission ca is expiring to buff the cap

[scarlet tapir]

@lofty depot u on work?

[digital berry]

Wording isn’t clear what exactly did you sim?

[scarlet tapir]

check rikzu on twitch and see the numbers my spec pulls

[craggy sonnet]

i do mean inspiration. man, why is it all called the same

[scarlet tapir]

close the dev discord

[lofty depot]

Yes

[scarlet tapir]

nvm he doesnt have dps on

[craggy sonnet]

its not fleshed out or anything. it just uses 2nd ca right after convoke

[lofty depot]

Why don't we have dps meter on

[digital berry]

Huh? So you just convoke ca surge surge ? How would that be a dps increase

[craggy sonnet]

prolly cuz of forge decay

[obsidian jetty]

something to look out for, check if starlord is lining up with ecl start "better" with those kind of sims. Because I've been thinking optimization around that could be impactful in the first few min of sim

[digital berry]

I guess 3 seconds of decay means less cap on the second ca

[obsidian jetty]

later in sim it get's fixed naturally, but early in sim it's always scuffed

[lofty depot]

I cancel with 2nd trees usually

[rose epoch]

Does voidcore's mana thing function normally in boomkin form

[digital berry]

I cancel one second early usually but I guess it would make sense to ca right after convoke anyway

[lofty depot]

Yes but u gain too much mana

Trinket is bad

[stone ledge]

Is this for araz timing?

[digital berry]

No just general double ca

[craggy sonnet]

its less cap on both dryads

[digital berry]

Oh true it’s calculated on ca end

[craggy sonnet]

oh interesting

[craggy sonnet]

ignore it

[rose epoch]

Ty just making sure my weakaura to empty manabar prepull isn't useless

[stone ledge]

I can’t wait for raid night tonight to test out that collector ca strat for amp

[lofty depot]

Not useless, just the trinket useless

[rose epoch]

Sim'd better than my 704 anub and I doubt sim is doing any mana things so w/e

[lofty depot]

It isnt

[lofty depot]

Yea had to make new button

And trinket button

Press CA naked, press trinket at the end, wait for amp, ca

It was the wrong reply

[digital berry]

And if you fuck up and press too late or too early you’re cooked for the second amp phase timings

[craggy sonnet]

kinda builds starlord with the 2nd ca dryad surges and then drops them midway through first eclipse

idk

[digital berry]

Too early means losing the dryad buff which is horrible, too late means not having double ca up for second amp

[craggy sonnet]

isnt that fun?

[lofty depot]

I was close to losing buff but, it was fine

Skrill issue

[craggy sonnet]

the stakes

[digital berry]

It’s more fun then just basic rotation over and over with no changes

Like the last 4 tiers

[rose epoch]

I did the early ca on araz this week too bad 2nd amp lasted 3.5seconds so my efforts were kinda wasted

[craggy sonnet]

ok its not a forge only thing

[dense steeple]

maybe im stupid what what talent setup are you guys running for sims

im a visual learner please provide pictures

[lofty depot]

The st ones, duh

[craggy sonnet]

cooking?

[royal zenith]

how short is that sim

[craggy sonnet]

1min

its just opener stuff

[royal zenith]

cause you might be baiting yourself

I can confirm that the burst you get is higher if you 2nd CA straight after convoke

but you need to do it on a longer fight

[unreal turtle]

OK I have some questions can anyone help me? Just done my 3rd raid, 2nd reclear of heroic. As boomy can anyone help me understand a few points. Can you pm me rather than posting here with everyone else's chat? As I'd like some points to refer back too.

[lofty depot]

no cosmos, no bottom ui

[craggy sonnet]

how is that relevant?

[lofty depot]

but its within like 0.5%

[royal zenith]

things lining up

[craggy sonnet]

like?

[royal zenith]

I have no clue, you tell me - you're simming

[craggy sonnet]

it doesnt affect future CA timings

how could it

[royal zenith]

the thing is that it ended up with the current sequence because it thought it was better

[dense steeple]

visual learner

[royal zenith]

on a 5min sim

[craggy sonnet]

compendium?

[craggy sonnet]

yea, well if its only better in the opener and not the 2nd set of double CA then you just do it in the opener

[royal zenith]

and on araz the damage amp is pretty short, so I send it straight after convoke either way

[craggy sonnet]

i dont really see this affecting anything

[royal zenith]

but that's pure feelcraft

[lofty depot]

funny potent and grove talent gets swapped around depending on fight time

[craggy sonnet]

araz after convoke?

thats interesting

i couldnt see a gain sending araz after trees

so im kinda guessing its even worse after convoke

[royal zenith]

I think you're misunderstanding

[lofty depot]

u can post here, its better because people lurk and often watch what other people post

[royal zenith]

but it's alright

[craggy sonnet]

oh

the boss

got you

[royal zenith]

[craggy sonnet]

yea this isnt about araz either

[royal zenith]

but you definitely burst for higher if you send it straight after convoke

[craggy sonnet]

yea, makes sense i guess

[royal zenith]

I'd like to hear @pallid bay or @lucid olive take on it though

[craggy sonnet]

but thats a very small window with amp

[royal zenith]

cause like I said, there's a reason it chooses this sequence

[craggy sonnet]

so cramming stuff together is better logically

[dense steeple]

over under?

[lofty depot]

huh

[craggy sonnet]

there are multiple over unders 😄

[dense steeple]

length approximation that makes cdr better?

[lofty depot]

its a diff in 30-40 sec and if fight ends correctly like a 4% inc

[lofty depot]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

arctic, please compile a full list

[pallid bay]

what am i thoughting about

[royal zenith]

2nd CA straight after convoke in opener (or short damage amps I guess)

[craggy sonnet]

of time frames in which potent better

[lofty depot]

uhh i dm'd u them already tho

at least the 3m-5m ones

😛

[craggy sonnet]

we need them all and pinned here

[dense steeple]

like 30-40 seconds of what marker for me to brain it

[lofty depot]

how am i gonna r1 and people take over my secret sauce

[craggy sonnet]

for the people

[royal zenith]

like 99% of this community doesnt care about that

[pallid bay]

2nd ca after convoke without amp sounds kinda bad

i guess you're like

not pressing anything

you could prob do surge CA surge surge

[lucid olive]

convoke surge cancelaura ca surge surge

[pallid bay]

why cancel

[royal zenith]

💀

[pallid bay]

or are we memeing

[lofty depot]

if a fight ends at 440 potent is better

[pallid bay]

dont play the spec so have no idea

[royal zenith]

based

[craggy sonnet]

i'll try single surge after the convoke as well

[royal zenith]

[willow jungle]

Any got dryad favor wa

[lofty depot]

if it ends at 5. u can use grove and get the same cds but added damage

[pallid bay]

given u have enough AP ofc

but u should

[craggy sonnet]

actually

sometimes you dont, but yea

[pallid bay]

gg

[craggy sonnet]

could also just make it based on boat i guess

[lucid olive]

kinda

canceling CA procs dreamstate

[craggy sonnet]

x)

[pallid bay]

true

[lucid olive]

but the dreamstate doesnt matter

[craggy sonnet]

its legit nothingburger

[pallid bay]

/cancelaura celestial alignment
/cast celestial alignment

[lucid olive]

big techer

[pallid bay]

is there any other benefit we're missing

harmony dosnt matter

[craggy sonnet]

to cancelling?

[pallid bay]

u're not playing firmament

[lucid olive]

i couldnt figure out how to make the apl cancel on the exact timing

[craggy sonnet]

or to CA earlier

[pallid bay]

u proc full solstice regardless

[pallid bay]

this

[craggy sonnet]

i dont think so

[tiny ridge]

i do no dmg idk is not possible

[royal zenith]

all of you are doing piss dam

[lucid olive]

but you timed the key

[royal zenith]

ngl

[lucid olive]

thats all that matters

[drifting nova]

how did you get to a 10

[dense steeple]

i too do piss dam dont worry

[tiny ridge]

idc if it is timmed or not

when im boosted

[dense steeple]

my mans getting boosted and complaining about dam? im out

this is why m+ score is useless

[royal zenith]

I think he's sad about doing low damage

[drifting nova]

I cant get into 8s

[royal zenith]

and calls himself boosted...

[drifting nova]

pissing all over your dam

[tiny ridge]

bcs it is my own key

i choose the people...

[drifting nova]

[tiny ridge]

but on bosses 0 dmg

tank doing more

[royal zenith]

do you have a log

cause there's plenty of room to at least do more damage

[drifting nova]

laid one out during the dungeon

clearly

[royal zenith]

unless you're like 670 ilvl

[tiny ridge]

with keeper i do a lot more on st

this is bullshit

[gentle scroll]

M+ is not really about doing the most ST

[royal zenith]

share a log so we can help

else you're just venting

which you can do in someones dm's...

[drifting nova]

you offset the bad boss damage

by destroying packs

[tiny ridge]

still nothing

[tiny ridge]

no one wants me

[royal zenith]

💀

[craggy sonnet]

arctic wants everybody

*`s logs

[craggy sonnet]

nope

seems like it just wants to increase average boat stacks during trees/trinket or something?

[lucid olive]

so like

[craggy sonnet]

and ofc its also higher cap for forge

[lucid olive]

2nd CA when boat runs out

💀

[craggy sonnet]

uhh?

so at the end of dryad .. aka what we have?

[tiny ridge]

looks like i will go back to groove

[craggy sonnet]

just send a freakin log man

arctic is gonna blast your ass

but you are gonna take valuable stuff away from it

[lofty depot]

i already did

[craggy sonnet]

im kinda inclined to just try trees before CA again .. how cooked am I?

[lofty depot]

i lied, different druid

[obsidian jetty]

@clanks yea sounds like the same BS as normal

[indigo barn]

wtf is wrong with our aggro. Tank dies on Soulbinder and adds rip me in melee even when i'm like last in damage

[obsidian jetty]

pressing CA also procs it, you don't need to cancel

[royal zenith]

were you in bearform

[craggy sonnet]

what exactly?

[lofty depot]

u hit hard

surge go brr

[obsidian jetty]

the starlord shit, i was scrolling down and hit gamz message before enter and didn't want to scrol back up

[craggy sonnet]

so you think this is only starlord?

[obsidian jetty]

no, I was saying that its' the same between the the base apl and that

[craggy sonnet]

ah, yea

its also fucked

[obsidian jetty]

in the base starlord also falls off halfway through ecl

so the difference would likely have nothing to do with starlord

[craggy sonnet]

got you

[royal zenith]

could it be that you gain more value from the araz trinket

cause it decays

[craggy sonnet]

it seems like a gain across araz, signet and lily

for signet specifically it makes it so you get all 4 surges inside the signet duration

but not for lily

[royal zenith]

lily is like 15sec

[craggy sonnet]

i know

[royal zenith]

not correcting you, just info

[obsidian jetty]

well, earlier trees also gives boat value on tree

[royal zenith]

yuh

[craggy sonnet]

the earlier tree btw

[obsidian jetty]

and higher uptime at higher boat from canceling the end of CA 1

[craggy sonnet]

is just because current apl

does surge surge wrath

based on timing

[craggy sonnet]

yea i think thats the big one

also less weird pooling

if you delay

[obsidian jetty]

earlier tree should just be better if you're canceling CA earlier. As long as it's still on the 2 surges

[craggy sonnet]

since you are mostly wrathing anyways

[tiny ridge]

gg ;

[digital berry]

so what youe suggesting going back to trees + ca + dump + convoke + ca surge surge ?

@craggy sonnet

[craggy sonnet]

uhm, no .. just that im gonna try out how it sims

[digital berry]

oh

i mean as long as we reach the actual cap we can shorten the first ca to its bare minimum requirement of dumping and convoke

[craggy sonnet]

kinda

but you are still losing effective ca uptime

so theres gotta be some balance to hit there

not sure tho

[tiny ridge]

gg 30 min after time

[craggy sonnet]

uhhhhm

[lofty depot]

hmm

"we found 2%"

[craggy sonnet]

well

[royal zenith]

that;s what I'm saying...

[craggy sonnet]

what are you saying

it doesnt matter at all for the rest

[royal zenith]

I mean it's very fight dependant

[craggy sonnet]

is it?

[pastel hearth]

I crafted the staff as my first craft.
What should I do as my second craft with my spark guys ?

[craggy sonnet]

its the opener

[royal zenith]

I dunno why you hyperzoom in on one situation

[lofty depot]

bracer or belt prob

[royal zenith]

there's also boss fights where opener can overlap with adds or you hold and overlap it with boss + adds

[digital berry]

its the one situation that repeats itself multiple times across all fights

[royal zenith]

you have to be a bit more creative than that

there's damage amps, there's holding for specific moments

[craggy sonnet]

idk why you are hating

[royal zenith]

Im not hating

[pastel hearth]

thanks

[lofty depot]

use enchantd runed crest

[royal zenith]

you're just questioning every practical situation

[craggy sonnet]

what?

[digital berry]

Deux what?

[royal zenith]

and sim a 1 minute window

[craggy sonnet]

yea ok, sorry .. but i feel like your take is kinda off

[royal zenith]

it's not a take

💀

but alright, you do you

[craggy sonnet]

so you are saying i should not try to find the optimal way to do this window

[drifting nova]

doox, stop

[fiery veldt]

was kinda hoping for more class tuning this week am i coping?

[royal zenith]

I said you do you

[craggy sonnet]

because there might be a dmg amp where you dont play it like that?

[royal zenith]

that's my take

keep cooking

[lofty depot]

this week isnt over

[drifting nova]

how long are your heroic plexus kills

[craggy sonnet]

as if you couldnt adjust stuff for an amp

[fiery veldt]

idk arctic im kinda dooming hard

i dont believe

[lofty depot]

no doom, just boom

[digital berry]

the GAP between us and 90% of dps specs is just too big for them not to buff us

by how much is where the problem lays

[obsidian jetty]

you want to start with 1m as it's easier to troubleshoot and write for

then once you find the best solution, you can broaden the scope

[indigo barn]

what amount of tuning would fix this? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/44?boss=3130
We cooked for this raid tier

[lofty depot]

yes buff me

[royal zenith]

yeah like I said

keep cooking

[maiden pasture]

no ammount, we are both undertuned and bad for the ahrd bosses

we would need to be overtuned to be good in this raid

[indigo barn]

when we suck on 3 target cleave that sometimes spreads, there is no amount of tuning that would fix the spec lol

[lofty depot]

he doesnt mean that

[digital berry]

i feel like the bosses with a dmg amp we should be fine on

since we have huge burst windows

[lofty depot]

everyone like oh rogue good on amp boss

[maiden pasture]

dont line up for double CA bursts

[lofty depot]

hasnt seen my amp dam

(they do more outside of it 😭)

[obsidian jetty]

you're being silly. A 100% aura buff would "fix" the spec

[dapper wing]

Did our EC splitting starsurges get fixed or we just not pinning it?

[digital berry]

supposedly fixed

[normal pilot]

it's fixed you now do 1% more damag eon m+

[lofty depot]

when things get fixed, they do get removed from pin

wait a sec, u said 1.5% yesterday

[dapper wing]

I just didn't know if yall moved it to the compendium instead of having it pinned

[lofty depot]

[normal pilot]

1.5 for soul hunter

[dapper wing]

Pog, 1% more damage

were broken op

[indigo barn]

also the MoP class tuning blue posts keep baiting me

[lofty depot]

turn off classic and sod

very shrimpel

[fiery veldt]

i honestly didnt know we were doing that bad rn lol

i knew it wasnt great but i didnt know we were bottom most

[jaunty blaze]

First time?

[tiny ridge]

logs of the year

[lofty depot]

onlyup

[craggy sonnet]

not really dmg logs anyways

so you are good

is this like the 3rd time they are supposedly fixing this?

[round field]

dungeon logs

[maiden pasture]

bro this guy has been posting like random key screenshots of him being bottom dps all day

[jaunty blaze]

Its good content

[copper spade]

is it even worth it to dot the 2 adds on this boss? shit dies so fast

[round field]

i know

its funny

[lofty depot]

this is good, it means our dps in keys looks lke shit too

actually wait, this is bad that means aoe buffs

shitttttttttttt

[tiny ridge]

im terrible

[young horizon]

hello

where can i find the 4p weakaura

[maiden pasture]

yeah m+ buffs, elunes chosen buffs

[lofty depot]

in the compendium

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

or use oibalance pack cuz its better than what ur using

[young horizon]

tyy

[indigo barn]

probably not, they also spawn perfectly out of moonfire spread range so you cant even moonfire + starfire them

[warm dome]

does the elune 4 set feel like it doesnt do anything or am i just bad

[digital berry]

it does what it says it does, is it a lot? Ehh

rng heavy

[snow elm]

Make elunes 4pc buff last 16 seconds

Thx

[ruby root]

Is boomy really as bad as everyone says rn? Or am I likely just playing wrong

I have 4 set, all hero gear, and a crafted weap, am using wowhead reccomended talents, and im struggling so hard in keys.

[wicked shuttle]

Moonkin is like

probably bottom 40% of specs dps wise in M+ from what i was seeing

it is REALLY bad in low keys though (10-12s)

the spec that people talk about being atrocious is in raid where it is fucking awful in raid

[past knot]

i guess is fine bruh

maybe buff it more, i would like that

[lofty depot]

u should be fine in keys

if u did well last season, u can play the exact same and do good

[lucid olive]

i cranked on soul hunters

[lofty depot]

so either ur playing wrong or have worse gear

[obsidian jetty]

I've been blasting in all the 11-14s I'm doing, but I play keeper

[lofty depot]

"cranked"

"cranked"

[lucid olive]

yeah

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

big cranker

[lofty depot]

big crankerrrrrrrrrrr

[lucid olive]

rank 6 that

[past knot]

Jajajaja

[lofty depot]

yea cuz theresa fuggn 6 boomkins that killed it

[wicked shuttle]

cranked

[lucid olive]

and none of em are you

fuckin noob

[lofty depot]

type shit

[lucid olive]

shit

[lofty depot]

ugly rat plays feral on loom

cuz he cant hack it as boomkin

[past knot]

Bruhhh jajajaa

[crude plover]

Guys, on araz MM do you press starfall when echo is up? i feel like i do zdps until dmg amp

[stone ledge]

Grey parse like a man

[lofty depot]

if ur running ak yes

[royal zenith]

tettles when buffs

[ruby root]

Ohhhh okok. Yeah im mostly running the 10-12 range but seeing hunters and warriors do like double my damage in keys is insane 🤣

[lofty depot]

and yea u do zdps

welcome to boomkin

[lucid olive]

yeah easy boss you play 4fun spec

[stone ledge]

The last time tettles appeared we got 8% this is a sign

[crude plover]

but man on interphase i gigablast the shit out of that guy

[lofty depot]

and then funny little amp comes and "ur useful"

[wicked shuttle]

@lucid olive did you have to deal with a debuff?

[lofty depot]

last time tettles appeared our tier set also got gutted

[wicked shuttle]

i found it hard to focus on Soul Hunters carrying around a debuff

[crude plover]

when do you press your first incarn? 3-4 secs before amp?

[lofty depot]

o7

[lofty depot]

when the collectors are like 10% left ish

[stone ledge]

I fear for this assignment but will embrace it

[lofty depot]

but idk if clanker is cooking shit

[craggy sonnet]

gg .. thats too late to get the pre CA on 2nd amp

[crude plover]

ok, i charge the dryad while finishing my collector and then ham

[lofty depot]

what time do i have to do it by

[stone ledge]

Depends on the comp

How good is yalls execute

[lucid olive]

in intermission yeah

[wicked shuttle]

ah yeah

i was 1

[lucid olive]

then handing it over after intermission ends

[wicked shuttle]

that shit sucked

[lofty depot]

assume im doing top dps cuz my guild sucks

[wicked shuttle]

i was running around like a monkey

[craggy sonnet]

idk, depends on your push timing for 2nd inter .. i guess

[wicked shuttle]

it just all felt awkward

[lucid olive]

i was vibing man

[craggy sonnet]

but as early as possible

[lucid olive]

stand in middle casting Starfire

dodge some circle

[lofty depot]

thats not a time

[stone ledge]

Then try 15 if that’s too early push it to like 12

[lofty depot]

please help

[craggy sonnet]

yea, well .. its not on a fixed timer yk

[lofty depot]

i sent my ca at like 325

[craggy sonnet]

and when do you have first amp?

[lofty depot]

amp doesnt start til 342

[craggy sonnet]

15 is not too early i think

[lofty depot]

if i send at 315 i better be able to kill all of htem my self

[craggy sonnet]

gg .. last weeks push timers

[lofty depot]

cuz i had 4 seconds left on buff

erhm 8 sec left on buff when it started

so maybe can send at 320

[stone ledge]

Yeah 3:20

[lofty depot]

but theres some people trolling

our rogue is playing sin

[craggy sonnet]

yea no if you push 342 .. then you should press at like 324

[lofty depot]

and doing nothing

[stone ledge]

I just set a reminder on my timeline

[lofty depot]

or ele doesnt have an on use trinket

so he does no dam

and our melee like to stand in shit

[craggy sonnet]

maximum 20s before amp starts i would say

else you might be missing shit

[craggy sonnet]

but its not fixed 😭
depends how well you are pushing collectors

[lofty depot]

uhh 2nd collectors ended at 6

which i had ca for

[stone ledge]

It sends at 3:10 as a reminder

[lofty depot]

sooooooo either u guys cant do math

or

[stone ledge]

Not a hard timing

We don’t get double Ca for 2nd amp tho right

[lofty depot]

some of us do

[stone ledge]

If you hold it for the 1st amp?

[lofty depot]

these people arent playing potent

recruitie is

so is the cn guy

but ull get it in amp

his first ca is at 320

his ca is a little slow

2nd amp start at 6:02

so he doesnt get full on it

[craggy sonnet]

yea, you guys are just slow potatoes

[craggy sonnet]

if you look at emnis push timers from yday

[lofty depot]

well if we do it at the same time as him

its fine

he sends 2nd ca at 30

need to send it at like 25-26

then that ca will be up at for 6:05

[craggy sonnet]

just stop with that late CA on pull man

or at least do the first CA at like 14s or something

then you get the splash on the 2nd dryad surges on spawn

[lofty depot]

well yea i was sending at 20s

[craggy sonnet]

and timer is less tight

[lofty depot]

so just need to send at 18

its fineeeeeeeeeeeeeee

adds spawns at 30

hmm

[lofty depot]

yessem ur amp doesnt last as long

[obsidian jetty]

I get my first 2 surges on the adds everytime with my timings

[lofty depot]

u dont get 4 tho right

i mean the last 2 hit for less usually, but still

[obsidian jetty]

my 2nd 2 surges are on the echo

[lofty depot]

ah

[obsidian jetty]

1st echo

I could've easily got r1 but I trolled the kill pull

first amp my 4th surge was out of ecl, 2nd amp I surged before treant on first surge

just wasn't used to hitting different buttons for CD order

[lofty depot]

yea

[obsidian jetty]

the pull before the kill pull

[craggy sonnet]

but why do you wanna delay CA to hit first echo?

[lofty depot]

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[obsidian jetty]

It's to pad on the little guys+hit echo

[lofty depot]

they know what its for

they call me cringe for padding there and not on soulbinder

shits crazy

[obsidian jetty]

we had dak sending full double CA into echo before, but we could pull some dmg off when we added another warlock

[craggy sonnet]

no i get it .. but wouldnt it be more lenient on the timing to just hit adds with 2nd CA surges?

[obsidian jetty]

sure, your 2nd surges are weaker tho

[craggy sonnet]

(also you are definitely losing one FoN use if you delay at all)

[obsidian jetty]

I lost a use out of stupidity, but otherwise I wouldn't have

[craggy sonnet]

pretty sure you do .. no?

[lofty depot]

clanker thinks we do dam outside of cds

shits funny

[craggy sonnet]

doesnt fit

[obsidian jetty]

idk what others are getting for the first addset cleave, you can compare with this

[craggy sonnet]

fits

[obsidian jetty]

generally I was getting 35-45m cleave from the 2 surges

[lofty depot]

"lose a use" u mena i hold 1

its liek the same dawg

[crude plover]

@lofty depot may i take a look on your araz log? or is it private

[craggy sonnet]

no its not

[royal zenith]

dawg

[lofty depot]

its not

ur holding this one anyway

[craggy sonnet]

let me check

but you are already losing 30s of effective cd on trees

[lofty depot]

yea but im gaining it in add damage at good time

[crude plover]

can you link it please?

[scenic nebula]

In the opener. Do I ca again before the first two empowered surges? I assume their dmg would contribute to the second ca

[lofty depot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XVmLBNxGY3vp7wak?boss=3132&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&source=13

[lofty depot]

yes

[crude plover]

thanks sir

[craggy sonnet]

not true

[lofty depot]

i see a lot of gaps there that probably add up to 20s

[craggy sonnet]

they are all within control

oterh than the last one

its like 3s over

[lofty depot]

50m dam surelyt worth the delay let me go see if i can do mroe

where is the random tree timing i hold

[craggy sonnet]

how much of that is from the cleave

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

thats all to the add

im targetting araz

[lofty depot]

i have a trees in collector at the start yes

[craggy sonnet]

uhh. wait you are using trees on pull?

[obsidian jetty]

bruh

[craggy sonnet]

if so, then disregard

[lofty depot]

no

[lofty depot]

yea i was trolling

i said i need to fix get mad

[craggy sonnet]

oh thats from some other bloke

[lofty depot]

i however could

[craggy sonnet]

all nps is excluding boss?

what a stupid naming scheme

[lofty depot]

yes

cuz the other is all bosses

[obsidian jetty]

idk, it's forsure more dam to get 4p cleaves on the adds

it basically adds an extra 4p surge

of dmg

[obsidian jetty]

I don't think it's major tho

[lofty depot]

especially when blud crits for 44m

[proven swallow]

hey guys, how should i use this trinket? https://www.wowhead.com/item=242494/lily-of-the-eternal-weave
just line up with convoke even tho it wastes at least 30 sec?

[lofty depot]

"waste"

[obsidian jetty]

your other Cds would be "wasted" if you didn't use your trinket on it, so yea

[pastel hearth]

What sim combat style option are you using for simming for M+ ?
Patchwerk with multiple bosses ?

[lofty depot]

ur damage comes from ur CA and convoke, line it up with ur cds

[proven swallow]

well it feels bad that its available, my adhd brain cant handle it

[lofty depot]

faq in compendium

[obsidian jetty]

we are burst heavy right now, so always try to sync stuff up together

[lofty depot]

what do u do when ca is available and u shouldnt use it

[pastel hearth]

ty

[proven swallow]

cry i guess

[lofty depot]

cuz theres plenty of times this happens and u shouldnt be using it

understand the spec wants to align cds/buffs/trinekts w.e., together

the more u stack in ur cd windows the more ull do

[proven swallow]

yea, was just wondering if it would be worth it to sometime use it outside of convoke, but had an inkling it wasnt

ty for the help

[drifting plank]

in forgeweaver, would you save every incarn to use it on dps increase or use one in collector phase?

[tiny ridge]

if im bad druid what about this one..

3 ivls above me

[lofty depot]

U save for amp

[lofty depot]

There are multiple druids that don't do damage, next news at 7

[drifting plank]

you think its good to be on lunar when lil adds spawn or just go solar and wrath boss + starfall spam?

[lofty depot]

Nop

Well, idk if good

It seems shit

I was trying to test it last night

[drifting plank]

i tried to do that on soulbinder mythic and i could not even cast 2 starfire before things died

[royal zenith]

really dont see the reason in trying to do damage to the smallies

that's actively looking for ways to pump your logs, not kill the boss

[drifting plank]

i'll just wrath boss and use starfall

[lofty depot]

I said the same thing about padding on soulbinder

[royal zenith]

I thought you hated padders arctic

[drifting plank]

and dot the big one

[drifting nova]

all padders hate other padders

[royal zenith]

meanwhile you're perma starfalling in intermission

[drifting plank]

hey if my parses are bad i'm getting benched

its not like i'm playing a good class in raid

[tiny ridge]

shit class

[stone ledge]

Tbf the fight is so easy there’s nothing else to do minus pad

[lofty depot]

I do

But I'm ethically padding

Cuz I hit the boss and it happens to be when adds are out

[royal zenith]

keep coping

[lofty depot]

And it splashes 🙂

[royal zenith]

oh well, doesn't matter anyway

[stone ledge]

Comparing that to targeting melee barrels on rik last tier

[royal zenith]

eventually you'll kill the boss

[dense steeple]

got lilly

is this shit good

[royal zenith]

compared to

what?

[dense steeple]

684 mugs 🙂

[royal zenith]

maybe, sim it

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

mugs is strong for long

[delicate perch]

Jug good

[lucid olive]

damn what a rhyme

[delicate perch]

An on use over no on use also good

[digital berry]

Normal lily at 704 barely outdps jug for me

[royal zenith]

lyrical master

[dense steeple]

704 xd

[royal zenith]

[dense steeple]

i just looted a 701 bro

[delicate perch]

Forge was 4% for me

[dense steeple]

this thing goes up

[royal zenith]

forge and antenna strongue

[dense steeple]

imgaine getting an antenna

couldnt be me

in vault next week surely

[sacred tulip]

what do we think? 8% balance druid ST buff next reset?

[maiden pasture]

🔮

[drifting plank]

hopefully something thats not kotg based

maybe starsurge dmg or all dmg buff

cause i dryads and treants

[sacred tulip]

i feel ok in keys, but when stats show aug is better dps than me.....nah will not abide

[drifting plank]

btw wich weap you guys think is bis for us?

dont say ''sim it'' please

i want human interaction not robots

[maiden pasture]

why do you care what is bis

[drifting plank]

why i would not care about it

[sacred tulip]

bis is wierd, most bis are based on mythic raid loot. so anything less and its really sim it, because your stats will affect the direction

[drifting plank]

i want the best pixels

i lost the soulbinder myth weap to a shadow from my guild

sad

1% upgrade without counting the versa craft

[maiden pasture]

because it makes no difference what is bis. you should equip the best gear you have. you can sim your own character to find out what weapon is best for you, but you cant just choose to loot something because it is bis. when dinars come you will buy based off of what sims the best in the long run for you and that can change from charcter to character

[weary stream]

classic class discord response

no point asking thats all ur gonna get

[royal zenith]

what else do you want to hear

[maiden pasture]

correct response, the smart people do it for a reason

[royal zenith]

equip the weapon in your bag, that does the highest damage right now

that's your bis

is that better?

[maiden pasture]

people are telling you the correct response, not what you want to hear, you just dont want to accept it

[lucid olive]

real and true

no point in asking at all

just sim it and equip it innit

no need for second opinions its that shrimple

[lucid olive]

the polearm from 1st boss

[drifting plank]

makes sense

[maiden pasture]

trust the people giving advice, they say sim it for a reason

[lucid olive]

unless the person giving advice is kekkers

[maiden pasture]

kekkers is not a person

kekkers is ai

[drifting plank]

what ring you guys think is bis for us?

jk

[maiden pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[dense steeple]

xd

[delicate perch]

Double on use bad

[pallid bay]

full mastery boe

[normal pilot]

sell boe buy token xfer bnet balance buy mage/lock boost?

[outer wolf]

sim it

[weary stream]

yeahhh sim \\\\\\==========\

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]]]]]\

[dense steeple]

am i okay at EC yet

i hate this fuckin spec

[maiden pasture]

real

[drifting plank]

i love ec

[maiden pasture]

ec is boring as fuck

[drifting plank]

imagine not loving to not think about anything and just pew pew dot and starfire and spend that with starfall 100% of the times

you can play that and chat girls online and play chess at the same time

its the same thing as having a kitty girl on discord while playing valorant

[maiden pasture]

ur an interesting person

[dense steeple]

im married to a girl

so i'd rather think about my gameplay

instead i sit here like "its too casual im doing something very wrong"

[drifting plank]

we are boomies

we dont think

we just happy face and nod

[dense steeple]

[hazy storm]

i HATE boomie !

[tiny ridge]

we failed last boss and tank left 🙁

[fierce zodiac]

I'm sure this has been asked before, Just starting out... With Kotg... What's the recommend mastery and crit rating? Looking at Logs lots of people running 20k+ Mastery and 10k+ crit. (Dont beat me down to bad). Thanks.

[craggy sonnet]

seems like reasonable numbers

but you just gotta sim what you have and what you can get

[fierce zodiac]

Right, just seeking what i should aim for is all.

[craggy sonnet]

mastery first then crit+vers

no haste

[upper anvil]

I finally craft a mastery crit ring just for raid next week

[fierce zodiac]

At all?

[upper anvil]

Finna*

You don't need the haste in raid. I haven't tried it eith more crit but with the 4p you want the crit

[fierce zodiac]

Thanks, much app.

[nova ocean]

Guys buffs tomorrow for sure

[nova ocean]

I think this is the same Friday they did tuning last tier after the race ended? Unless it was one more week don't remember for sure

[nova ocean]

No tomorrow for sure

[sudden pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870682754705150003/1396636223233200249/attachment.gif

[lofty depot]

ayo china top 5

[tiny tendon]

guild sat me for moth rekill

help me convince them that was wrong

[nova ocean]

Surprised there's a 4th kill on that bosses it's crazy hard right now

[lofty depot]

if u get soulbinder is fine

[tiny tendon]

i did

[lofty depot]

ezpz antenna in vault

surely

[tiny tendon]

we bangin

[lofty depot]

well they got 3% this week

ezpz

[tiny tendon]

first kill soulbinder I wasn't expecting a one shot

but i wanted to orange parse the moth too damn it

[lofty depot]

oh yea why they sitting good player

smh

[tiny tendon]

they're racist towards boomkin

has to be

[mighty mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/969756412387409920/caption.gif

[lofty depot]

u might call it, chickenism

[mighty mica]

i wont

[tiny tendon]

nuh uh

[lofty depot]

was a good yoke tho

[tiny tendon]

i pivoted to shadow rn

[lofty depot]

smh

why we pivoting, were about to be op

[tiny tendon]

thanks for letting me yoink that gif though i wanted that one

[mighty mica]

pivot to the uninstall button

[lofty depot]

pivoting to slayer task

[tiny tendon]

they're wiping to moth this wouldn't happen with a balance druid in

[stark arch]

For M+, should I stack astral fury with Celestial Alignment off the rip or is it best to space those out like hitting AF when I don't have one active from procs? I've been using on cooldown.

[lofty depot]

is astral fury, fury of elune

[stark arch]

err yes

[lofty depot]

u can play likke u did last season

[cloud plover]

arctic

[lofty depot]

generally send on cd and with ca

yeet

[cloud plover]

i just did my first key and i feel like i noticed absolutely nothing of my tierset

why is it like this

[tiny tendon]

tragic

[lofty depot]

tragic

[tiny tendon]

mystic tier dropped too

[dense steeple]

IMAGINE NEEDING MYTH TRACK LEGS IN WEEK 3

[cloud plover]

ikr who needs those

[wild dune]

dog

[cloud plover]

aint nobody need no enchant

[cloud plover]

ok but how do i know how much my tierset did

feels like half the time it just runs out cuz u dont have fury

[dense steeple]

BY LOOKING AT THIS ONE

[lofty depot]

why arent they upgraded

what the fricc

[cloud plover]

saving

for turbo boost

[dense steeple]

and if youre still not sure you glance at this one

[lofty depot]

soma is gearfed

wtf

[cloud plover]

yeah but hear me out

[dense steeple]

🙁

[cloud plover]

items are pretty cool and theyre cooler than tierset

[lofty depot]

WHAT

[cloud plover]

not even 710

L L L L L L L L L

[dense steeple]

wasted crests

[cloud plover]

champion araz

haahahah

[maiden pasture]

champion araz is the same as hero araz

[cloud plover]

[maiden pasture]

all the gear

but no idea

[maiden pasture]

u too cool for a mainstat gem?

[lofty depot]

were crafting 720 shoulders

thats crazy

[cloud plover]

yea

[maiden pasture]

whats wrong with this

[dense steeple]

not too crazy tbh

early prog big value

[maiden pasture]

crafting offpiece early good

[cloud plover]

pretty normal move when u dont need to craft weapon

[lofty depot]

yea i wouldnt be taking said weapon

but true

[maiden pasture]

[cloud plover]

said weapon in every case that ive simmed in many possible variations is simply superior

[digital berry]

i really like the second ca right after convoke

it feels good

and i got like an 18 mill dps opener

[maiden pasture]

did someone sim it

[digital berry]

clanker

[maiden pasture]

whats the diff between this and current apl

[dense steeple]

i just follow the liquid reminders of garyeet

whoever that is

[digital berry]

he simmed it at like almsot 2% afaik

[maiden pasture]

almost 2% worse or

[digital berry]

check his msg hiustoryu

better

[maiden pasture]

who is him

[lofty depot]

must be simming haste for fun?

[maiden pasture]

i think ur lacking

critical information

[lofty depot]

eeler?

[maiden pasture]

this is a shadow priest

[lofty depot]

oh

[maiden pasture]

[lofty depot]

i dindt even notice

[cloud plover]

im not a filthy droideca

[lofty depot]

🚪 🐀

[maiden pasture]

wait 2% increase

[lofty depot]

massive

"we found 2%"