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What if retri channel being closed actually worked and thats why they were buffed


Raise your fist discord mod your opinion matters
I just find it comical that Elemental shaman are at the top using the maelstrom spender builder model that Legion Astral power was based on... and Moonkin are at the bottom. Eclipse was supposed to help with "scaling" 😅 🤣
Blizzard dev "hmmm it's odd we have to continiously buff this dogshit birb, I wonder if we should look into that......... Nah take this 5% and shut up"
it's bad but it's not THAT bad
Fury too high up, shold be bottom 3
Im slapping every ret paladin
Getting the addon to remove them from apping to my keys
what stat i wanna take as balance with Soleahs secret technique?
Sim it
It's wild that ret wasn't even the bottom and immediately got buffs to make them upper half
kinda depends on rings etc for Elunes i usually take haste and kotg mastery
arctic single target sim for trinkets?
Sure
Does SimC sim the special effect on raid boots? Myth M+ boots simming higher than heroic raid boots and i'm questioning that.
i believe it does sim the effect
you probably have a lot of vers already and your char dont want anymore from the raid boots
i just did a gear compare of max upgraded M+ and and raid boots. M+ boots .7% head
Use top gear not gear compare
there are no raid boots in there
Astral still bis after nerf?
Ur also simming 723 vs 710. Think it's reasonable to think they're close or better
safe to say something went wrong
lacking the green text
Yea gear compare thing
ya, ill never get myth raid boots. so was trying to sim realistic options
Also idk why were simming ec
m+ enjoyer probably
Yucky
this
Grow up
why are these getting ignored
my bad, took a 8 month break due to having a baby and didnt realize you could just add items to top gear now. I am rerunning in top gear
It's like when crack addicts walk onto my job sites that have fences around them with warning signs. U can do ur best to funnel the people correctly, but there's still user error
damn
Grow up
does the trinket tuning change what trinkets we should go for? have both gigazap and signet in vault
you could do this for years. but its all good, we all learn new stuff
No
no
never
pretty good analogy
is gilded trade up 707 or 704 in all slots?
anyone else not getting the weekly from faerin in dornogal?
Blud should.ask again about the weekly
704
do you still have the one from last week?
Go ask in general
is it titan fragments this week maybe?
Imaginr
you dont always get faerin quest
This week is titan fragments for me
Is H Voidglass Spire better than M Staff of Fractured Spacetime? M+ enjoyer btw
yeah i just accepted the titan disc fragment quest
thanks i was not aware its one of the other
congrats, you got your missing weekly
Did u craft staff or
bruv said he already got m staff
Kinda depends if we made dumb decisions or not
i love being under aug
Not craft, M track drop from last week, the staff from tazavesh
wait whys dev so low i thought it was pumping
What if he crafted staff and then uses soulbinder staff
Bucko
guys should I just sent gilded into my 2 myth pieces
he literally said what staff he had
design wise is crazy aug isnt always 1st
how much stats is too much again, im at like 15k haste and 26k mastery no buffs
After seeing all these crack addicts crafting mistakes
there is a lot of add dmg that wont count in this statistic
too much isnt a thing
if these werent there dev would do more boss dmg as well
just sim
i crafted an off hand and ended up playing feral in mythic raid 💀
i am a crackhead
Means ur also easily manipulated
when buffs
prayge
suprised we saw no class tuning yesterday, guess they want a few more guilds to kill dimmy first
they prolly just didnt get it done in time
Shit raid comp.ig
class tuning 
echo/liquid too slow only if they killed it on friday
unlucky now we have to wait until this friday
rwf ruining the game yet again smh
What happens when we get no buffs? Or the buff is moonfire now lasts 1 second extra
is this worth picking up for later use
starsurge
4pc the fuck are those crits
no aff, dev, enh,
no
pi goes on fire mage and feral druid 
they could have been so much higher
thats a dmg amp
you dont want pi anyway
why wouldnt i want pi as feral
as feral you sure do
It's not good early, let alone later
First time?
but also .. how do you already have forge and antenna hero
spoon fed the good stuff
i want the good stuff
are the spittle stained trousers worth enough to save it from catalyst to get 4pc (myth track)
the what?
lucky vaults
I just got 4pc today
yeah it is
the pants on the wh bis list
Hell yea bis lost
bis list 
its alright
wowhead has pants as offpiece?
yeah
M+ legs prob
some haste mastery ones i think
wth
for kotg that is
well thats definitely not bis for raid
tier legs are giga statted for kotg
yea but lots of specs want that shit
it will be christmas before i get that one
what are we thinking team, i currently have a hero track lily and ara kara trinkets
Are we actually running an agility trinket in keys nows
empowered is better than arakara trinket
but lily is prolly best m+ trinket as well
Oh thank god xD
or that
and if it is, its a mistake
i need to get my hands on that saladbar trinket
my first choice would be the lily, but I never raid and it might be my only chance to get either of the raid trinkets
they arent that good in m+
Is there some stonks in saladbar trinket?
lily and parapodia are prolly best in m+
oh I thought they were just good all around, lily it is then
maybe .. wanted to do some apl stuff for it the entire week
never managed
maybe today
but 12s int buff is perfect for kotg tier
nah it just picks a new ally every 30s until it runs out
how long does the debuff stay then?
forever
no shot
well until you consume it
ya 15.6s is a lot more leeway for prepull swap too
you can easily cover a lot of ground with that
it's just a 30s cycle from when you equip
also someone in the wowhead comments said the interval was messed up?
doesn't care about combat
on myth its 19.6k
free 20k in to cover your first CA is way better than w/e prepull wrath you need to do
oh that idk prolly close
in actual raid maybe closer since you can use instant regrwoth for movement i guess
empty gcds tend to be pretty decent loss
(my mage sims 500k lower and -10ilvl
uh we have problem
i mean, heck, we've all seen the dmg profile
keys?
can we cancel the blooming infusion buff btw?
yes
ok nice
i think its actively trolling if you wanna regrowth > CA
because of the gcd lockout
big blooming wrath
no yea, just talking about the insta regrowth
ya you couldn't just macro it into ca
is this good?
it's too bad cursed mastery isn't -haste
did they not post any buffs....?
cursed crit is tho
theyre busy fixing the class for midnight
ya tww is over time to move on
they did post class changes. they changed 1 rogue thing on MOP.
epic
buff my spec man
hmm.. simming has my araz ritual forge as way lower dps than just using parapodia+astral antennae and using no on-use trinket for aoe... is that accurate? i thought ritual forge was supposed to be really good
its really good, ur probably simming somehting funny
When Balance buff :>
it's just patchwork 5
it's a 3% dps loss over parapodia+astral
don't see how that makes any sense
show it
like i said
what is this number
something funny
U Simmed as Resto xDD
no idea how that happened
also its 5 target patchwerk
hey!
latest what?
latest version
simc version
what u mena what
yea it's for m+ and i didn't change the belt from resto
for m+ im not even sure if forge is so good
forge is specifically very good for kotg tier
latest on patchwerk 5?
what do you mean by patchwerk 5??
yeah true fair enough it's better
you do not sim 5 target patchwerk
it doesn't have to be 100% accurate it's just to get aoe damage estimate
it doesnt matter for EC really
other than you wanting a bit more haste
because you have to dot more regularly
which is not even considered doing just 5t5min
you can put this (adjust the expected buffs) in the box i screenshotted
again
1t5min
the one i linked you is for floodgate i believe
because i think it sims reasonable
can you shapeshift hardmode postmaster?
yes
op
yes
I love the diversity in gear
i guess its not that bad
Do you wanna be a momma's boy or a choker e-girl
These are very important gearing decisions
Less gearing more RP
First manifestation spawn?
because they're ethical gamers
ohh
You get way more dam sending that first cd set and dream bursts into the 4 targets than just dunking it on forgeweaver alone
I haven't looked yet but given you hold CDs through intermission I assume that wouldn't cost you a use either
wouldnt cost you a use no
no point in sending cd's in echo
plenty of time to kill it
Sending CDs into echo sounds like a good way to get griefed by a positional fuck up
priorities are intermission and/or boss damage
adds will die
especially if you have warlocks
and/or evokers
then why are we talking about delaying cds
cause you can send them into the boss + 4 surrounding adds
it's not rocketscience
if it's ethical, tbd
first adds are 20s into the fight
It's metalurgy not rocket science
have you done the fight clankz
not its stupid
I see
you lose out on a FoN
for what?
padding a bit more on the adds that you do no dmg on?
yeah I dunno, you're being a moral police for no reason
it's the 4th boss of the raid
and you don't lose a lot by missing one set of trees
if that even is the case
anyone else is done?
Until your RL says ur padding
And I say I'm funneling
Time to go outside buddy
who listens to their rl tho
I'm doing it deep style
Poop vault
where's your mythic raid slot
That's toxic
💀
oh, they are not even waiting for adds
You can also align your 2nd CA's dryad's favor and send into the boss + adds
they just send the 2nd ca surges into adds
some sets live longer than others
with the ring in the dungeon part, they don't need the raid slot mythic. 😮
happens
?
also you're sending a splashing starsurge
if your adds die within one global
then I dunno
godgamers
Damn didn’t mean to spark a debate, I just noticed everyone is delaying on lorrgs
it's not really a debate lol
is this even true tho?
But hey, the footbomb thing in delves is cool
1st is delaying .. 2-5 isnt
Delay til 20s, send CDs, send buff surges at araz
It ain't that deep
It cleaves first set
nah aint nobody delaying 20 seconds
arctic yapping
Ud be wrong
you don't delay
#30 is
There's plenty of people delaying
I know you're like
deep in their arse
but they're really not the only bamkin players
True
lol crazy
But others are cringe
I think this is cringe
No
if it works properly it's not
Is good, the buff bugs tho
So its generally still better than most of the rings atm... wild.
Maybe u have shit rings
it be like that
Good shoulders
the non tier?
why is my game saying season max for runed atm is 180 
any moment now (refreshing wowhead waiting the class tuning blue post)
are you na or eu
NA
Hopium
u right
i.. dont think im simming wrong ?
link the sim
oof no replace?
this is not correct when simming for the culminating blasphemite btw
yeah it's a EC ring
its for my other set..
there is your error
oof
i think mastery ive hit the point on deminishing return.
That doesn't matter
oh let me join
that dont really matter
U sim it and make sure it's correct, u don't just ignore the item
It'll take the enchant and move shit around
Wait seriously, no class changes at all? ðŸ˜
we blasting. we dont need buffs
would you guys send these crests or just blast gilded into my myth helm + shoulder lmao
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5kfyafgVXAiTnftzBzjvZJ
i have already upped the chest to 704, done with runed
Sending into hero items is crazy innit
yeah I know
well get buffs last patch of the season
prob just blast my myth items and call it a week
then they can say balance wasnt forgotten
you will be severely crest capped this season
we're progging heroic dim and my guild struggles so I doubt I'm seeing any mythic raid soon 
if you complete deathless taza a few times
hah
nah crest cap makes sense
Cap should be removed once top10 rtwf is done.
whats our offpiece ideally
shoulder
ty
im not raiding so this is tough. i wont ever get myth raid trinks
would yall go trinket or gloves
@meager storm @sudden pawn weigh in on this
Gl0ve
Me
I took pants last week
norm voidglass isn't enough to replace a 720 crafted right, even with the trinket set
yaya
is stonebound artistry weapon enchant relly better than auth depths?
balance druid is currently the worst raid spec in all 3 versions of wow ATM XD
Dont worry midnight will fix it

balance druid going to get its 10th eclipse system overhaul
its so gonna be the saladbar trinket
Monkeys paw curls: all eclipses are random, they added 2 more, and it switches between them randomly every 5-10 seconds! Genius blizzard hire me
what are the two best crafted slots? (apart from off hand)
hey, guys! Can someone help me sim my char? Raidbots says "unreliable fight style". I am choosing Dungeon Slice. I want to sim for top gear for M+
compendium in pins has a FAQ on simming for dungeons
Wrist or belt
But weapon slot is the biggest
Shoulders if u can't get those to drop maybe
guys quick question i have main hand and off hand crafted for raid should i just go double ascension or one ascension and elemental focusing lens
Sim it
the difference was like 2-3 k dps putting ascension ahead but all guides + compendium says I should go ascension and focusing lens so kinda stumped about it @lofty depot
What guide says focusing lens and ascension
So what's the min max strategy with gilded I have only spent my gilded on a weapon
I don't even understand.. you can't put focusing lens on weapon
Should I blow it all on maxxing out my mythic track Lily
you can on off hand ...
Is probably fine
U can upgrade 1.5 items a week
Or something like that
mb i must have misread you are right but in this case should i go double ascension or 1 lens 1 ascension
Miss me ever embelling lens
alright thank you 😄
tell me you skim the document without reading it without telling me you skim the document without reading it
thats what im saying
Spewing ig
also yeah Guile weapon enchant out here pumping on sims
Now go race change to tauren
damnnnn
I know we 'sim it' but in vault i have these legs as an option. should i take and NOT cata yet as these might be a good off-set piece to keep once i get 4pc elsewhere?
Really? Aight
For m+ sure..
Not so much for raid
generally M+, so i'm not sure when i'll get around to doing 2/4 myth raid
Will Antenna still be BiS after nerf?
704 8/8 champion antenna simming 1.8% higher than a 723 6/6 myth harvester's edict. does that look right?
Weird, didnt see any class tuning blue post where we got tons of buffs
must be just me, checking wowhead in a moment again
didn't blizzard remove balance?
whats a "balance"
anyone else finding loading times into raid via summon takes like 5 minutes today?
now you are talking
Yeah
Yeah harvesters edict sucks
Antenna is good
Idk how this game can be 20 years old and run so bad
I didn't run that well when I was 20 either
Edict hasn't been and ever will be good
ty, sobbing as I take the champion slot from the vault then
Could take sockey
do i just stack haste/mast for m+ or listen to my patchwork 1 target sim? the vers/mast neck is simming 16k dps more than the haste/mastery neck but i see more people using the haste/mastery
Well, keeper on st is different than EC in m+
good shout. could craft bracers and socket it. will sim
And I doubt vers/mast is simming high on ec
And people in raid using haste/mastery aren't knowers and assume they should be using haste/mastery because we've been haste mastery for a while
do i just have too much haste or something
why? because the neck is not on the bis list?
We diddnt cryed enough. Should make it like retris :>
Post the sim and not pictures
you're losing a lot of mastery
also <0.5% diff is kind of meaningless you just pick w/e you like
no point farming for it but if you get it then why not faster cast is less annoying and this spec is annoying enough already
i have it, i might just use it
oh ya sure
starfire sucks it's worth tiny bit of potential dps to not have it so slow
When u would gian more from said neck in aoe
ok so its worth it in m+, for raid i just sitck with the vers one probably?
Some people post their interrupt marker at the start of a dungeon. Is that a weakaura?
is the EC Tierset supposed to be dropping all stacks when the first buff runs out?
yes
how good is forge trinket? would u take heroic forge over myth tier chest for vault as a non mythic raider
bloodmallet puts it super high
If your only myth track piece you can get each week is from vault, you kinda just take the myth track each time. Forge has things you can replace it with
We dont reference bloodmallet here
Sim it, and make a decision
yea, tuesday sim queues XD
Poor?
very
o7
type shit
i just annoy a friend because hes got premium
See gotta become good at apl, become expert, then u get giga premium
That's why gamz did it
Probably
Myth chest easier to get than araz
so updated sims saying giga zap from vault over signet and myth shoulders, is it a trap? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qBayscxANFp7Egf8LY6uK9
Wait he gets premium for free ?
Well he paid for it, then got refunded
That's what he gets for having to do all the sims
- Why r we simming 6m
- Simc version needs to be latest
- Shoulders are bait
yea my sims are pushing me super into versatility jewelry
should I catalyst 2 champ pieces to get the 4 piece or just wait for hero (I heroic raid only)
are sims updated with new trinkets already?
Go farm 10s and get some heroic gear to cata
Yes
What's the problem
you say that like anyone wants to take balance druids ðŸ˜
i miss my haste
good catch, not sure why its different but will pop it back to 5 minutes
right
Have friends ezpz
truth nuke
Mythic sacbrood and a socket are simming surprisingly close. ST has the socket higher. Is that trinket shittier than I remember?
yes
It's shit and u misremember
bummer
Cuz it wasn't good in S1 either
how much am I going to hate kotg
I didn't play balance then
is it still vibes off
Ive had nothing but love in pug 10+
They love us out here
Cuz cata champ gear suiuicks
It might be my fault cause I only hit 2400 rating last season 🥲 But you are right mom, the groups I have gotten into were mostly lovely
I had one mad that I wasn't healing because of my Druid's name but I'm just no good at healing anymore haha
you can play ec on soul hunters
Soul harvesters, hmm
hello fellow boomies, hows giga zap doing as of today?
Meowdy. 😄
The BoEs that drop in mythic are BoP the first few weeks, so they cannot be sold on the AH, but are they tradeable within the raid group, just like boss loot is?
Well, they're demon hunters......
dont tell my raid leader i forgot the name of a boss
Idk, sim it
let me refer you to last week
giga zap more like giga crap
If u can trade the slot I think so yes
well i have, but i have whats supposed to be bis and simc is telling me to take gigazap, its a struggle bus
Well, it got buffed soz
Interesting. So it's only tradeable if you have higher item level. That does make sense.
Also, maybe it's better than that..... R u on simc latest
yes
trees still 24%?
Yes
Also ur gear is giga
Yea nothing is "bis" at hero ilvl
That's not how it works
And 0.2% is margin
So play w.e. u want
how is still cA
still broke
so what do i do, my vault was absolute trash
Well what u do is choose a different life cuz this one sucks and u play boomkin
Take socket and cry yourself to sleep
Thats what i do every week
ive been nudging at my raid lead to let me play resto so i dont have to scroll down on details to see my name
just do more damage lol
If u play better than ur other DPS u won't have to scroll down
(it was a meme)
(so was mine)
i love arctic
is there a quick tldr on what changes with 4pc or does compendium have something covering it?
say you start a boss will all cd's off cooldown, but your on-use trinket is on a 30sec cd, you wait or not?
Im having a hard time lining up cd with the signet
True
not much use in sending it without cds
didnt ca once
Then don't take it
take it out of spite
celestreeial?
mfw im 1 gilded short of slamming 6/6 myth head
1 (singular)?
yes
when do class changes usually get announced?

get more then
who knows be patient
we're already patients
so real
no
C U P
giddy up buttercup
i have no idea what that even is
might aswell play final fantasy
this would explain the screenshot you linked me xD
no, that was EC 🙂
rip
cause it's a ring with a strong effect
forgot to add sockets and upgrade the other ring to 701 im gonna check again
lmao ignore me i didnt sim ring at all
Got mythic Azhiccaran Parapodia!!!
yippeh
dwilkz had parapodia and antenna in his vault
guys look class tuning for real 
chills
I've got Normal Antenna and a Hero Parapodia in the vault. Raidbots wants me to take Antenna. What do you guys think?
can farm hero parapodia bro
can farm antenna aswell
you can farm the para
you have to basically rob someone to get antenna
depends what the other options are
yeah well as ppl stated parapodia is easily farmable
antenna might be hard to get
but idk taking champ track doesnt feel right
taking hero track also
It buffs one tho
ye
ONE WHAT
none of it feels good
buffs by one
socket angle
Taking Antenna and not worrying about it
we are only at 2.5 sparks after this reset right?
I guess Ill have to wait to recraft bracers to 720 next week
you know what sucks
balance druid
i crafted 2h and dropped soulbinder 2h same week
does starfall have to be baseline

he aint wrong
That 2h is beans anyway
easier than ret
Buff boomy though/ We are literally at the very bottom for raid
Who's 'we"
sims 40k more for me tho
Show sim
1007th position
can i see it from before?
Pres the 3 bars at the top
ah yes let me search it
People clogging queues cuz they don't know there's a history button
i dont find it i think its the sim my mate made for me because he got prem
but ill make a new one
If you listen to Artic it should be one of your most recent closed tabs
i know i checked every sim i made 7 days ago, there is none comparing crafted 2h with mythic 2h
ill do one rn
Curious he thinks I haven't done it
2pc myth track lets go
Chills
Are u gaming now
704 ilvl
Big 5milly simmer?
doubt
Smh
what talents do you sim for big numbie
we are so back
I could have 2 pc myth track but went with myth track Parapodia
Me neither
whats a trinket
Gonna go check logs and then ask why ur playing wrong
having bad luck getting them?
:)
nope
Myth weapon so he has 2 720 crafts
ye
Hacker man
only got champ forge champ neck and 1 token from raid 🙂
i got 5 pieces of loot from raid last week man
nice tmog
Blud is 5 ilvls higher and only 50k dps
youre 7 ilvls above me
I'm on his ass
im simming mastery/crit still, should probably swap to verse with what 15%+ crit
I rue the day boomkin is ass in m+
I will never have to deal with this again
EURELY
M+ is 10x more your comfort then it is gear optimization
well me enjoy gaming
m+ not very gaming
why not
m+ is chores
I believe in u
theres plently of 1 night 3 hour guilds clearing heroic and normally first few mythic a tier
keep clearing it?
farm mounts and tmogs?
There are other games out there
okay your guild does 8/8, after several clears, u reclear it in a single day. what u do rest of 6 days for the week
Log off
but i dont want to log off
Smh
then play m+
thats what i do
m+ is optional once raid is cleared
m+ hate is forceeeeed
no its not
It's not
yeah forced by blizzard
i love m+ but also realized its super dated and could be improved greatly for player enjoyment
this exactly actually
resil keystone was a step in the right direction
i have fun collecting things that dont matter. i dont have fun pugging dogshit same dungeon over and over and over for +3 score
It fosters shitty players because u guys fail one mechanic, they added an abandon system because u rat fucks leave keys
nah i dont have any joy in this game besides m+ and raids cool
Me playing video games because I enjoy the video game not because I feel like I have to 
the abandonment system is terrible, oh keys bricked and tank is offline with lead sick
lead will pass. ||after 10 minutes of being offline||
also people quitting after 1 wipe on a still timable key
We've recruited multiple like 100 io off title m+ers that want gear, they're all dogass
I've never met a group of people with less control of their character i swear
Id never recruit mplusers
💔
Susge
The ability to stand in fire and not know why they died is crazy
that has to be a lie
It's not
if u are a title player u for sure will be capable of doing some raid mechs
capable yes
Are the dumbest individuals ive ever met
I can show clips of a mage not knowing how blink works over terrain he can't blink iver
but they dont
Or failing the alter time on sprocket
most of the ppl just dont look what the bosses do cause they dont care
yea but thats another thing
Regarding raidbots, does anyone know if the secondary stat caps were adjusted for calculating the best items? Because I'm calculating and Droptimizer always tells me to choose an item with versa or critical and all the top IO in season 3 don't use anything even similar, besides that in the game I only have 22% mastery and the cap would be 30%, right? It's also very confusing to calculate the items for my balance druid, because I can't use Dungeon Slice.
raid is boring anyways
if they are familiar with mechs, they will easily do it
Yes
Its correct
100 pulls in ur not familiar with mechanics?
Stop thinking about stats and listen to robot
I forgot, we usually abandon key after we fail
pls tell me u pulled the 7th or 8th boss 100times
raid is boring imagine joining a mob of 19 other people to hit a dummy for hours on end XD
Uhh mugzee was like 130 prob
M+ is boring imagine joining a mob of 4 other people to run the same dungeon 100s of times
I lied 175
It is wild that raid bots wants me to replace all of my gems all of a sudden
rage baiting i see
Gally was 142
I thought Mastery = Best. But…. Apparently not?
Maybe ur at a point where it's not
Maybe so. this early in the season with the most mediocre gear, that seems wild.






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