balance

[pallid bay]

did u not craft weapon or

if you crafted weapon what is there to get as resto

[round field]

Swirly 3 blade dances fel dev

[jade flume]

Tbh you are right, i can open as feral

[pallid bay]

voidcore?

[jade flume]

Actually wait nvm, i need staff

From soulbinder

[pallid bay]

[round field]

Isnt soulbinder staff dookie

[jade flume]

Bamkin it is

[pallid bay]

reserve first boss polearm it is

[jade flume]

Nobody needs agi staff anymore

[pallid bay]

[jade flume]

So if it drops its mine

[jade flume]

Its insane omega

[dire osprey]

we have like 1 monk that needs it

[jade flume]

At no ilvl gain its 1% upgrade and i can use voidcore

[dire osprey]

so 2nd one that drops is offspec rolls

[jade flume]

Yeah we have 2 monks and both have a weapon

[smoky remnant]

friends i have a question

so opener looks like this:
double dots incarn + 2x surge trees convoke

after convoke how many globals do you fit and what globals to pool ap and to fit 2 surges in the trees windows?

is it 1x surge 2x wrath? seems very tight to me

[quiet drift]

With lust its fine

Just pool as much as u can

Since you pressing CA youre getting 2x Boat

so spending there is better anyways

[livid jay]

something like that - i usually send 1-2 surges to deplete ap after convoke and then spam wrath until like 1 global before the dryad runs out, surge once, press CA, surge twice

[smoky remnant]

i k but for me seems like spellqueing wrath maxes me either miss trees window or miss a global entirely afking to not miss the window

or cancel cast which seems cringe

[livid jay]

it is a bit awkward i agree

but you will get used to it more

[smoky remnant]

seems cursed to afk a global to not miss the window

tbh

[lilac folio]

its kind of an important window

[smoky remnant]

yeah it is

[livid jay]

it doesnt matter if you are a bit late to that window so if u spend enough after the convoke you should be fine casting wraths until the window starts and not overcapping

yea i do the same and im like bottom damage on them

useless class

[lofty depot]

seems like so little for how much i was dotting and surging the far one

[livid jay]

yea exactly

team is like guys we need more damage on em

theres some people not doing damage on em

im like

IM TRYING MAN

[lofty depot]

well our mm hunter wasnt doing more than 50m for ever

[dire osprey]

REAL

[livid jay]

our mm was top on our kill pull last night

[dire osprey]

"wtf isnt boomy really good for these"

[lofty depot]

yea our mm was sending boss damage

and not being top at that

[livid jay]

i griefed my last cd window on that fight

fumbled it

cause i was panicking my hp bar

sending convoke hoping it heals me 😄

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/31e5bd4c-ddfe-43dd-b02a-6a38de942234

would have needed to wait for trinket but oh well

[jaunty blaze]

Imagine it was worth to press starfall for them

[livid jay]

yea its kinda crazy how hard our prio swap damage is getting fucked nowadays

back in the day with old mastery and one starfall stack we just pressed starfall once and were like top cleave spec

[pallid bay]

if you feel like you have to AFK, just press 2nd CA early

[hot plank]

I tried to prepare with starfalls on mythic soulbinder to find out iam just doing so little

[jaunty blaze]

The 2 add spawns just dont live long enough

[dapper wing]

I mean our cleave is ass. Our mastery full cucks us. We jsut need a rework

Scrap it

[livid jay]

yep

delete starfall

give taifun or some shit

[dapper wing]

Starfall feels like it hits for fucking nothing. Just complete rain

[livid jay]

delete mastery

[pallid bay]

[livid jay]

make starfall cosmetic for stellar drift 😄

[jaunty blaze]

Too bad they dont care about the 100 who want it to be a good raid spec compared to the 10k fotm andys playing it in m+

[livid jay]

i mean

starfall does no damage in m+ either

[jaunty blaze]

True

[obsidian jetty]

Has anyone faction changed in the last like weekish? Did it fuck over any campaign/random quest shit?

[jaunty blaze]

Someone in my raid did

Didnt hear anything about that

[dapper wing]

Someone in my guild did earlier but I haven't asked

[obsidian jetty]

It just sometimes is a problem, usually fixed by this point in a season, but figured I'd ask

I know some ppl's lockouts got fucked over so I waited until before reset

[jaunty blaze]

Changing to tauren hmm

[obsidian jetty]

unfortunately

time to be ugly again...

[jaunty blaze]

😔

[dapper wing]

Shadowmeld my beloved. I can't leave you

[obsidian jetty]

nelf has 2% movespeed too...

BIS

[quiet drift]

Not sure howd Id be able to cope not having SM

Its such nice Qol

[jaunty blaze]

Nelf model just feels better aswell

[quiet drift]

naaah

Female tauren is tuff

[pallid bay]

undead bamkin

[lofty depot]

i held 4m cd for pot

[obsidian jetty]

tuff to look at

😵

[jaunty blaze]

Moo

[dapper wing]

Yeah.. never

[quiet drift]

Thats not the pov in raid is it

[dapper wing]

I like my nelf way too much

I was troll for like a season or two and swapped back

[livid jay]

same

[wind mason]

im crying man, same shit happened to me

[void marsh]

Hey guys, is balance as bad as people say this season?

[livid jay]

"just starfall man"

[void marsh]

Havent played yet

[wind mason]

yes

[livid jay]

depends what content you do

its decent in m+ at the moment

kind cringe to play and bad in raid

[void marsh]

Bis trinkets in raid i guess too or nah?

[livid jay]

(you can still be top dps in your guild if you log 95+ while everyone else logs 80 max)

[vernal mulch]

Seems fine in delves

[livid jay]

tldr for raid tho

[jaunty blaze]

[livid jay]

xDDD

it gets worse every day i swear

[lone turret]

Hi,

whats your opener at the moment?

Mine
2 x wrath, moon + sunfire, treants , pots , trinket, CA, starsurges till AP is empty and than convoke

[jaunty blaze]

If you have new 4 pc thats wrong

[lone turret]

ok how do it better - have new 4pc

[jaunty blaze]

Check the dreamgrove guide in the channel description

[inland sleet]

When are we closing this class discord to expect our 3% buff ? 🦉

[livid jay]

we dont need 3% we need jesus

[fickle crown]

lol if the ret pals can do it, why can't we?

[lofty depot]

"we"

says the frog

[round field]

You get it next reset

[wicked shuttle]

Discord isn’t getting closed

[lofty depot]

is that cuz were getting buffed or

[round field]

Everyone wants buffs but no one wants to do something to make it happen

Smh

Tettles is ele player anyways

He doesnt care

[mighty mica]

be my guest, you can do it

[devout solar]

closing discord is toddler behaviour

[fickle crown]

we're better than the ret pals. buffs will come some day lol.

[round field]

Give me power

All i need is 1 minute

[mighty mica]

never said anything about discord

you can still make a change elsewhere

[round field]

Changed spec

[inland sleet]

Thats what we keep thinking since venthyr has been removed. For how long boomie has been bottom 5 dps in raid since ?

[round field]

[lofty depot]

Did u get sat on araz

[round field]

Yes

[fickle crown]

we're just not allowed to have fun. That's all.

[lofty depot]

[round field]

I was doing

Negative damage

Lmao

Im so bad at this spec

But its 10x more fun than whatever the fuck balance is

[harsh jungle]

Wdym balance is fun rn

[round field]

Sure it is

[lofty depot]

Big dam, me pad on first set of adds that don't matter

[royal zenith]

iqni classic chatter

all complain, no change

[round field]

Ok aug player

[royal zenith]

[round field]

Ur opinion is relevant

[royal zenith]

you swapped to feral

what a balance druid rolemodel

you're not with us in the trenches

[round field]

Bro i cant

I look handless next to cotti

[harsh jungle]

Impostor

[round field]

My fragile ego cant take it

[royal zenith]

okay but this is just true

doesn't mean I'm not playing balance

spec still shit

[round field]

Hey im playing it aswell

[royal zenith]

[round field]

I press starfire on dh boss

So fun

I press starfire it crits for 9 mil

I look cotti starfire crit 19 mil

Lootfunnel araz antenna gg

[obsidian jetty]

you're still next to him lil bro

You'd look better as a moonfire icon

[round field]

Only cause his spec sucks

[round field]

I cant play

This tier set

[obsidian jetty]

[round field]

I hate it from the bottom of my heart

[obsidian jetty]

must be a NF enjoyer...

[round field]

I cant wait

For them to make apex talent

And it revolves around convoke

So its hard locked aoe aswell

[tulip snow]

I love how the druid feedback post for the past 2 seasons was like "we're tired of cramming everything into this damage window"
then the solution is "overlap 2 damage window CDs to make the first one better"

[obsidian jetty]

"Every spell cast during convoke increases your haste and dmg done for the remainder of Celestial alignment." "Every spell you cast has a chance to increase the number of spells in your next convoke." "Convoke now only does your form's spells"

[quiet drift]

This pull was so fucked

Delayed my CDs for aug and then die before I spend my 2nd blessings

[obsidian jetty]

wasn't a solution to cramming, it's just more dam to get 40% crit on the 2 surges than the extra 2s of CA

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-smile-happy-pleasant-ok-gif-7842402999527921837

[round field]

I got so many walls and breaks that pull

Spent half the pull outside melee

[quiet drift]

Awesome fight

[round field]

My spread spot always ended up outside melee aswell

Grr

[royal zenith]

the kotg tierset is okayish the more you play it

[round field]

I played it first boss hardmode

Got 17 different tumors in the first 20 sec of the pull

[quiet drift]

I mean this goes for everything

[obsidian jetty]

Nope, EC doesn't get better

[quiet drift]

You still will have alot of grievances over the jank

[tulip snow]

the dryad should turn it's starfall stars into starsurges raining down

[round field]

Ec just smells

[obsidian jetty]

EC ages like milk

[round field]

Just plays the same

Starfire starfall foe on cd

[quiet drift]

Play same with more Starfire

yippee

[round field]

Extra fun when you starfire 10 times and it doesnt proc

[quiet drift]

Couldve atleast made the Starsurges gen ap or something

[round field]

So ur buff goes from 1 stack to expiring

So fun

[round field]

But thats like

Still bad

Cause ap gen makes 2p worse

[quiet drift]

Atleast youd notice the procs

[quiet drift]

I think this is more ST issue

maybe its bad in Aoe also

Surely more Starfalls is good

[round field]

Starfall does less dam than starfire...

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/perrito-luz-del-sol-sunlight-perro-dog-gif-9244311782841500716

[round field]

Good old times in sl

Where u spend half the dungeon on 100 ap

[tulip snow]

ignore starfall and just overcap starfire dam?

[quiet drift]

Cant

2pc procs off of Ap gen

[round field]

Cant do now

[quiet drift]

So you need to spend AP to proc 2pc

[tulip snow]

😩

[quiet drift]

The most bastardized builder spender ive ever heard of

[round field]

In sl you had no choice cause starfall was on cd

[quiet drift]

but hey hero talents yippee

[round field]

I wonder what cringe they come up with next xpac

With new rows

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[dire osprey]

its fun for the first +- 30 seconds

[harsh jungle]

True

[dire osprey]

its funny because first week normal my raid was flaming me saying boomies are sandbaggers and how broken they are

[pallid bay]

cope

[tulip snow]

loved being at the top of the meters when we wiped after my opener

[dire osprey]

because i was gapping my raid because the fights lasted like 1:30

[livid jay]

the only good thing about the EC tier is that the surges from starfire give starlord

[round field]

That is true actually

Its rly nice

Should just make them proc dogs

And proc dogs on the splash

[dire osprey]

dogs everywhere

[round field]

Like baby shadowy apparitions

Its funny that the goldrinn procs do more dmg than the surge

[tulip snow]

I got a free drink for a promo and the brand was "sandbagger"
gave it to my pally friend

[royal zenith]

[quiet drift]

big meter = fun

zamn

[livid jay]

how cool would it be if goldrinn procced on starfire crit and did splash damage and starfall wasnt a thing anymore ;D

aawwoooooooo

actually, if surge still procced goldrinn then

[tulip snow]

starfall was one of my favorite spells, but it seems to get worse as time goes on

[livid jay]

we just invented arcane mage 2.0

[dire osprey]

just make starfall a cd 💀

and buff starfire x2

it feels so useless to press almost

it used to feel good to rack up starfall stacks and see the carnage

now its piss

[round field]

No

The spec doesnt work with starfall cd

Its horrid to play

[cloud citrus]

it most def does

[round field]

Sure it does

[potent cargo]

unless starfall being active makes starsurge cleave and apply stellar flare to all targets i dont want to hear it

[cloud citrus]

you just buff starfire in its place

[round field]

Thats why everyone and their mother complained

[livid jay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1n0a6e5/fps_bug_in_wow_fps_improvement_45/?share_id=Ut6gnHSf9VxSUUgJylKmO&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=13

[round field]

It feels bad to press starfall once

[livid jay]

xD

how the tables have turned

[cloud citrus]

i liked cd starfall

[round field]

And then overcap 300 ap

[obsidian jetty]

just what we need, more starfire casts!!!

[round field]

Excuse me whay

What

[potent cargo]

blizz being shit coders

[livid jay]

apparently blizzard ui is fucked and elvui seems to get much better performance when they implement their fix 😄

[potent cargo]

expected

[round field]

You know what

If thats true

Im going back to elvui in a heartbeat

[livid jay]

i wonder if its a raidframe issue cause then other raidrame addons like cell should be able to do the same?

[round field]

Usually

[obsidian jetty]

elvui is beating the virus allegations

[round field]

Elvui raid frames tanked my fps by a lot

[livid jay]

yea same

also the reason why i swapped off it couple years ago

[potent cargo]

ye i got rid of elv raid frames

[livid jay]

start of df i think

[potent cargo]

and went w/ blizzard ones

helped a lo t

[round field]

But does that apply to blizz frames aswell?

Like do you gain fps if you swap

Or does it just not tank compared to before

[livid jay]

nono

blizz frames fucked

elvui better than base frames

apparently, if that fix is already in, not sure

but thats a bug blizz can easily fix and will pretty fast i would assume

[round field]

Have to try when i get back home

[round field]

Well...

[livid jay]

yea idk where that screenshot is from, maybe check elvui patchnotes or sth before u try anything

ah

[royal zenith]

Elvui users

point and laugh

[fathom nebula]

I removed elvui at the start of Season 2 cause i thought it would fix lag issues

It did not and i just ended up replacing one addon with like 8 different ones

[potent cargo]

ye or you got some like

bung weak auras

that are coded like shite

[livid jay]

base actionbars + masque + cell is all it takes?

[fathom nebula]

Forgot which ones but autorepair shit too.. I did two Heroic boss fights first week with completely broken gear 😄
There was a bunch tho

[livid jay]

i guess another one if u dont want base blizz player and target frame

[fathom nebula]

Shadowed unit frames i think i used

then Cell for party

[livid jay]

i dont like suf cause it didnt allow to have yourself in party frames

u using suf just for the player and target frame?

[fathom nebula]

used*

but yeh

[round field]

From what i can tell

It doesnt actually apply to base ui

Only elvui

[livid jay]

that would be very anticlimatic

[potent cargo]

also

gotta have a solution for debuff/buff filtering

bc that's a fucking mess

and i think thats one of the things that cooks fps so much

[royal zenith]

I swapped over to Cell + masque and bartender like a while back

helps versus elvui and sorts but man

this game

[livid jay]

what exactly do u mean?

[round field]

Elvui runs like dookie for me

Even without frames

[livid jay]

yea i have the same but no bartender, dont really need bartender imo

[royal zenith]

probably not

[round field]

I think base action bars are good enough now

[livid jay]

just need some helper addon to allow masque to skin base bars

[round field]

Dont rly have a need for bartender

[royal zenith]

I'm going more and more simplistic anyway

in preperation for midnight...

[potent cargo]

base frames will show all buff/debuff on a target kinda thing

maybe you only want to see a few

on targ frame as an example

[royal zenith]

you need to have filtering yes

[livid jay]

oh yea, cell should do that right?

oh on target frame..

[potent cargo]

filtering should be implemented by blizz would save so much effort

[livid jay]

this shit or waht

[potent cargo]

ye

that + skinning + timers

gg got 3 addons right there for just one thing

[livid jay]

idk i dont even look at that

[round field]

This game is so unplayable without addons man

[potent cargo]

yer its a pvp thing

to need to see that sort of shit

[round field]

Go do 1 key with base nameplates

[livid jay]

oh yea

[round field]

Try not to get tumor

[potent cargo]

im sure pve can get away with just nameplate auras and shit

i dont think i would play wow if it had no addons

based on current base UI being horrendous

[round field]

Imagine u pull

30 mobs

With base nameplates

Gl

[livid jay]

cant imagine that

havent seen base nameplates in 10+ years

no clue what they look like

[royal zenith]

If only they were aware and are actively trying to improve their base ui

[jade flume]

New nameplates look good tho, the ones from alpha or sth

[royal zenith]

wait a minute...

[jade flume]

Id play with those

[round field]

Ya they look decent

But if i cant do stuff like dot colors or mob colors for casters and stuff

[jade flume]

Hopefully performance will improve with native nameplates and stuff

[round field]

Its still bad

[mighty mica]

sure as hell wouldn't make a difference if it were in discord, but you'll just say cope too

[round field]

Wrong

Ret is op now

[jade flume]

Yeah, i dont recolor anything tbh, but there are definitely some cool things that plater does

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-cat-gif-24663663

[jade flume]

I really like interrupt recolour based on you having or not having interrupt available

And a focus texture

[round field]

Eh

[pallid bay]

you'll really like 12.0 then

[round field]

Have 10 min cd on interupt anyways

[livid jay]

i thought you're a cat

[jade flume]

Do they have that or

[pallid bay]

nope

[livid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-smile-happy-gif-7621419476068285580

[jade flume]

Btw how did u guys get to p3 on nexus king so fast

We are getting poiped in p1

[royal zenith]

piloted by Hopeful

[dire osprey]

dw i was dooming i dont actually want that

[floral lily]

FYI - not that it does super major change but still

[round field]

I am

I got flamed for not pressing skull bash

By 4m overall player

(he died to a cast going on him with interrupt up)

[indigo barn]

Guys I'm starting to think we won't get buffs this reset

[fathom nebula]

WE ARE GETTING THE 10% BUFF!

My friend said so, his uncle doesnt work at blizzard

[pale swan]

ye,we need to shut down the discord first

Rets rising now

[indigo barn]

No that just gives 5%. We need to shutdown some servers

[pale swan]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/paladins-rising-in-the-ethereal-lands-the-war-within-season-3-dps-rankings-for-378331

close the gates now

[fathom nebula]

As Feynman once said, Correlation is Causation!
Stop the presses!

[inner plover]

Balance performing poop in Raid and even in M+. Kinda sad we atleast had M+ before.

[fathom nebula]

We average in M+, think we get better the higher the key goes?

So below average on the 10s everyones spamming

[inner plover]

I mean i do 14-15 keys RN and rogues, hunters, DKs pulling like 30mil pulls and beat you on overall by like 1 mil. Also poop ST does not help on bosses too 😄 like they do 600k on boss and you 400k wcyd

[fathom nebula]

Ive seen some good performances but i guess that was just Floodgate and Priory?

and yeh we are wet noodles on bosses

[inner plover]

Yeah i can win DPS race in flood and Priory but Dawn, AK, Streets, Gambit you just cant do much since small size of pulls

Gambit is like if you get 2 bursters in group then GL doing DPS on murlocs 😄

[dire osprey]

floodgate goes hard

[dire osprey]

yup lol

[inner plover]

Anyone else fight with muscle memory on KOTG opener? 😄 doing CA > 2xGCD > Trees > CV just fucks my brain. Im getting used too but still strugle sometimes 😄

[quiet drift]

More dummy hitting

[tawny cloud]

Whats the rotation after opener? Do we send CA on when it aligns with trees/cv or do we keep it for 2xca later?

[frigid rover]

depends on the fight really, some bosses have a specific burn phase you wanna make sure they're up for

[livid jay]

depends on boss and killtime

sometimes people do some weird shit and do good

[fathom nebula]

in AK, you just greed and hold your CDs at 2nd boss so you get 2x incarns for the massive big pull right after and you will do so much more DPS than everyone else that you will catchup 🫡

Remember, whats important is not to time the key, its to not suck in meters

also if they complain about the meters show them the 30 dispells you did

[tulip snow]

if we closed the discord everyone would just assume we gave up

[pale swan]

based

[livid jay]

they would say that boomkin is not bad and that we are sandbagging (as always)

cause fck boomies

[tulip snow]

"hope they find their forever home"

[livid jay]

we hurt their egos too much in shadowlands when we took their PI's and did 2 times their damage

[fathom nebula]

God i love hated Venthyr

Having entire raid strategies revolve around you single handedly deal with mechanics is fun.
Venthyr was not fun tho

[pliant swallow]

where do you see a timeline like this

[royal zenith]

lorrgs

[livid jay]

congratz, you just unlocked the best tool

[pliant swallow]

Now to figure out how to use it

[jade flume]

You open look and remember

Alternatively copy and put it in the note

[pliant swallow]

i mean i also use WoWAnalyzer but thats not updated for our spec yet.

[livid jay]

lorrgs is meant to give u a quick overview on when to optimally use your cds on bossfights 😄

u can export the cd usage into a note aswell and copy it into your personal note for reminders if u like

i sometimes do that with CA timings when i cba to think about it myself

[dire osprey]

but did u not see the big numbers at start of pull????

clearly sandbagging

[livid jay]

exactly

i open 16 million

into

"ah yes boomkin so bad actually"

[pliant swallow]

i mean my open also hits hard but then it just falls off xD

[livid jay]

well yea

this is our damage profile

really becomes funny when u enable the prot warrior line

[pliant swallow]

thats my damage profile on saladbar.

[tulip snow]

classic 40s boss wipe

[dire osprey]

warlock damage every 2 minutes, prot warrior damage for the rest

[tulip snow]

damn I was scrolled a bit

[livid jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AkTnd3Bjb8KWXG2x?fight=13&type=damage-done
anyone got warcraftlogs premium and can get me the damage profile from me on this pull? 😄

wanna compare with todays profile

[quiet drift]

What others are doing*

[livid jay]

true

i usually trust the hivemind cause im a sheep

[quiet drift]

Fair

[livid jay]

does anyone know if the antenna nerf is in the raidbots profiles yet?

[urban crescent]

is the plexus bug still a thing

for 4pc

my weakaura said 0 damage for dryad on the absorb phase

[worldly spruce]

If you have a log you can check dryad favor buff and see if you have the right amount

[urban crescent]

ty

good idea

[worldly spruce]

They said it was fixed in last blue notes tho

And it worked fine for me

[bright ginkgo]

For nexus king should i spec for soul of the forest or stellar amplification?

[round field]

idk

both?

why would it be either or

[bright ginkgo]

instead of what?

[round field]

what is that

ec st?

assuming ur weird and play ec

sotf is useless

[bright ginkgo]

got mostly haste;/

[round field]

uh and?

[bright ginkgo]

isnt haste not the best for keeper?

[round field]

sure

probably not a reason to play ec tho

[bright ginkgo]

Oki i'll try out grove, just kinda sucks dealing less dmg without cds

[tardy fiber]

any chance we'll get patchnotes with nerfs/buffs today before NA reset? or only next week

[urban crescent]

ok yeah i checked logs and i hit a 14m starsurge but the weakaura was just not tracking it

ty

[steep folio]

Imagine we get nerfed

[dire osprey]

"druids overperforming on start of the pull"

[tardy fiber]

I hope so, so I can go fully feral with no regrets

[steep folio]

"4p now only empowers 1 starsurge after dryad despawns"

[rocky ridge]

Will the antenna trinket still be BIS after nerf?

[hard frost]

we going to close our chat like the rets did? lol

[jade flume]

We should

[round field]

what an original joke

havent heard that one before

[jade flume]

Its not a joke buddy

Lock it up

[hard wyvern]

My main last tier was ele and I swapped to balance

[jade flume]

Swap back

[round field]

thats one hell of a bad decision

[hard wyvern]

I have ragerts

[jade flume]

1 day of m+ and ur 1mil above the bamkin

[hard wyvern]

Oh I already out dps it with last season gear

I started running em yesterday

[jade flume]

My ele shaman alt that plays season 1 2 set is simming 4.5mil

[hard wyvern]

I hope there is some tuning I like playing the druid

[potent cargo]

discord never getting opened back up if that was the case

u guys all might as well start a gofundme to donate blizz my salary and i will fix the class

[royal zenith]

you wont get hired anyway!!

[potent cargo]

ye not a sexual offender

other than that im overqualified

[pallid bay]

if its live its in

[smoky remnant]

aight bois close the discord

[harsh jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/5th-element-red-button-gif-20142439

[bronze tartan]

how exactly does the new opener work? Do we use the second incarn after the first incarn expires, or in the pandemic window of the first incarn? Can I use my first dryad surges while still in the first incarn, or should I always refresh incarn before using the two empowered surges?

[jade flume]

You want to be in 2nd incarn for the surges

I know one of the reasons would be boat idk if theres other reason besides that

[lofty depot]

Trees

U should always want to get the buffed surges into the next incarn. Trees + new boat window

[bronze tartan]

ok I see boat, what do you mean with trees?

[lofty depot]

If ur not double ca-ing, u end up doing the surges at the end of ur current ca

Well when u sequence it properly u have 2 seconds left on trees and u send the surges in that window

[bronze tartan]

yeah I know about that, I got a weakaura to track dryads so I do that correctly

[lofty depot]

Trees increase ur damage by 24%

[drifting nova]

my spec doesnt have trees what do

[bronze tartan]

but is trees a reason to do it during the second incarn? or just boat

[lofty depot]

Silly ret

Do u like more damage

[drifting nova]

dont like mage no

[lofty depot]

It's a modifier, it increases ur damage so u want to use ur surges during it

[bronze tartan]

yes. so I cast it during the opener, but that by itself is not a reason to use the surges in the second incarn rather than the first, right? or am I missing something? I know boat is a reason to use the surges in the second incarn

[lofty depot]

It's just an added benefit

Trees + new incarn

[bronze tartan]

can you cast trees for the second incarn?

[lofty depot]

If u delay trees like ur supposed to

[bronze tartan]

moonfire sunfire incarn gcd gcd trees convoke [do whatever until incarn drops] incarn surge surge, right?

also one of my questions was whether I should use the second incarn while the first one is still active, or not

I guess.... from what you're saying, I should actually already cast second incarn while the first one is active, as soon as dryads drop?

because trees go away after 10 sec?

[lofty depot]

Nah, u press new CA with 2ish left on trees and surge surge

[warm ridge]

That's so fucking clunky

[lofty depot]

Sometimes my gcd is off when I presses trees so I use that as the timer instead

[lofty depot]

Yes u should

Because CA is 12s long trees is 10, u star a new ca

[jade flume]

What if i dont have ap for surge

Is it gg then

[lofty depot]

Yea go next

[bronze tartan]

yes you have to pool ap for surges in the second CA

right, thanks for answering, it's clear now:

• second CA during first CA so we still have trees up when casting 2x surge
• casting 2x surge in a second CA because boat

and then do another 2x surges in the last seconds of the second CA

using the dryad weakaura to get perfect timing!

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[bronze tartan]

and then I'm top dps for 30-60 seconds or so, until all the other classes take over and at the end of the fight im bottom

got it

[lofty depot]

U'll be top again at 2m

[bronze tartan]

true

got that a lot yesterday

although dimensius timings are really annoying

at the end of the first platform, my CDs are up

but the add dies just a bit too fast so I can't send the surges

so I don't use CDs on the first platform

but if I use them on the second platform, they're not back up in time for phase 3 start

so I can only send trees on the platforms

[lofty depot]

Yep

[bronze tartan]

started mythic plexus yesterday, so it seems I can just send on CD

or should I hold until the shield is broken

[smoky remnant]

friends i have a question

[lofty depot]

It's send on cd

Ur like 4m I think lines up for shield

Kill time gonna get faster and fast so just gotta see how it goes

[smoky remnant]

so we have -15 sec grace window for trees cooldown
if eclipse is like 4 secs away do we send trees regardless or wait for new eclipse?

4 sec left of duration

[lofty depot]

Wait for new eclipse

[pallid bay]

i feel like you answered that yourself

[smoky remnant]

we wait eclipse no?

gocha

[lofty depot]

Wasting time out side of eclipse while ur in a buff window to do damage

[smoky remnant]

also when u are fresh in eclipse and u send trees, do you dump regardless of starlord stacks or still send only if movement/not to cap/ 2 or less starlord stacks

[lofty depot]

Depends what's going on. Preferably ur at a point where u can dump

[smoky remnant]

y cuz im thinking

[lofty depot]

Time to get out the cancelaura apl line and see if it's an increase

[smoky remnant]

tehnically its optimal to pool - before eclipse ends- send trees with new eclpise for ballance of all things + cancelaura

then dump

no?

[lofty depot]

Cancelaura starlord hasn't been enough of an increase for a while to do so

[smoky remnant]

right

tbh i feel like me overthinking starlord costs me a lot more than will ever beneift me

[lofty depot]

Likely true

[scenic mist]

you wont take my minmax from me

[bronze tartan]

if I mismanage my CDs and send trees, and it's on CD for 20 seconds when incarn and convoke are up, I just hold incarn and convoke and delete my character after the raid, yes?

[quiet drift]

Ye

[scenic mist]

it would be a 5sec hold, it's ok

[bronze tartan]

oh, true that lmao

ok 5 seconds sounds a lot less horrible

ok, I won't delete the druid

but I'll still be ashamed for missing the timing

[scenic mist]

not ideal tho, but not a deletable offense

[bronze tartan]

ok one more question, I'm looking at the timeline planner, so if I only use a single trees some time after the burst window, I would have everything up at 105s or so because of control of the dream lowering the first CDs by 15 sec. Should I squeeze in a second trees so that I do the second burst window at 120 seconds?

tbh on lorrgs by far most people have two trees before doing the next CA+trees+convoke combo

so I guess that's the right approach

lines up better with trinkets maybe?

[scenic mist]

baseline trees cd is 45sec right

with early spring hero talent

[bronze tartan]

yes, I selected that in the planner

[scenic mist]

1st tree 5sec
2nd tree 35sec (5+45-15 (control))
3rd tree 80sec

4th tree 125sec

[bronze tartan]

yep

[smoky remnant]

mate i tried to be an ethical player and save raid on first boss shield on mythic to help healers and send convoke dry

[scenic mist]

so 4th tree goes with the 2min CA/voke

[smoky remnant]

dont ask what happend on details

[lofty depot]

If u have Araz trinket u don't send like that

[bronze tartan]

I mean you could in theory hold 3rd trees to do an earlier CA/voke/trees, it would be a dry convoke

I don't have Araz yet 🥲

[heavy iris]

how is a unbuffed convoke helping the raid with shield

[lofty depot]

He "theoretically" helped raid

[scenic mist]

i wouldNT voke outside of trees even if my life depended on it

[smoky remnant]

i mean raid leader called to send anything that we had left

[lofty depot]

Rl can eat my shorts

[smoky remnant]

yeah i never did that again

[bronze tartan]

raid leader should make that call if dimensius is at 0.3% not at a shield at 80% of the boss

[smoky remnant]

it was last shield but ye

[heavy iris]

rl needs to talk to recruitment officer and get some better dps in there

[smoky remnant]

fr

[pure acorn]

Hello discord specifically dedicated to this single spec is it worth picking up

[tawny cloud]

How do you start on demensius? Do you wrath the mass or go straight to boss?

[smoky remnant]

HAHAHAHAHAH

no

[lofty depot]

Boss

[bronze tartan]

Boomkin is so goated right now that I'm considering to learn feral, and I've been a boomkin for 20 years

or maybe play my warlock or demon hunter

which are ungeared but 80

[smoky remnant]

its ok gang we got this

[bronze tartan]

at least changing to feral lets me reuse most gear 🥲

actually shaman isn't bad either, that lets me at least still do the easy switch between healing/ranged dps that I love about my druid

[quiet drift]

👍

[odd pike]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355999336631

[tawny cloud]

Thanks

[scenic mist]

show boss dmg now

and reroll feral

[pure acorn]

Okay sounds good take care

[bronze tartan]

xD

[smoky remnant]

nah fam u re one of us now we suffer together

[pure acorn]

Sounds good

I will purchase a boost

[fringe marsh]

were the buffs at? or any balancing

blizz sleeping?

[lofty depot]

They're working on midnight

[scenic mist]

midnight actually being a sleeping hour

checks out

[quiet drift]

Theyre rly gonna cook

Machinegun Wrath

As god intended

[lofty depot]

What they're gonna cook is deleting eclipse

Then again they're reworking unholy, so maybe in the last titan

[smoky remnant]

jokes aside, surely we getting buffed this week no? after rwf?

[fringe marsh]

i hope for surpise at 17pm cet when usa has reset

[devout solar]

cope

[fringe marsh]

seems like they were busy at gamescom or something

idk

big cope

[smoky remnant]

today 17pm cet?

[indigo barn]

Change mastery, delete eclipse, make moons and foe apply aoe moonfire.
There, we good

[lofty depot]

U'll get 1 of those and hint it'll be the easiest to say "we did something"

[vital shard]

💯

[indigo barn]

The aoe moonfire would be easy I imagine

[smoky remnant]

yeah

[lofty depot]

Lol, clue

[smoky remnant]

aoe moonfire , 7% aurabuff and i swear i wont complain again

(untill s1 midnight ofc)

[indigo barn]

I will complain again just not about that

[smoky remnant]

yeah most likely tbh

[scenic mist]

bring back syzygy

[vital shard]

They already tuned balance with 8 % about two weeks ago

[smoky remnant]

bring back ravenous frenzy

[indigo barn]

More like 13% for keeper and we still last

[lofty depot]

Ull be lucky to get pulsar back

We're not getting frenzy back

[smoky remnant]

let me hope man

[scenic mist]

pulsar did not deserve the hate, i stand my ground

[quiet drift]

It did

[indigo barn]

pulsar good but I dont see it with 2 charge CA

[quiet drift]

But instead of trying to fix it

[smoky remnant]

if mages can have 20 sec cd on combust we can too

[quiet drift]

They just scrapped it

#blizzway

[fathom nebula]

Did they seriously not push any class fixes? 😮
I thought they would have announced the fixes yesterday

[vital shard]

Only trinket nerfing

[lofty depot]

Rekt

[smoky remnant]

we shouldve sent tettles to wear a shirt with '' boomie numbers matter'' when casting rwf tbh

[indigo barn]

I actually really like 2 charge CA with that 15sec leeway talent on all CDs, it gives some options. Just the rest of the mechanics suck

[vital shard]

Its all about the fight lengh

[smoky remnant]

😉

[vital shard]

Coz of our good burst

[indigo barn]

what I hate most now are add spawns and switching. Dots, mastery and eclipse together blows

[vital shard]

If the fight is too long and ends without a cd window for us we are bottom

[smoky remnant]

idk about you but souldbinder for me seems fucking awful
cant wait for forge.

(not)

[vital shard]

Soulbinder is nearly single target

Dont need to switch to the 2 adds

[quiet drift]

For boomies

[smoky remnant]

it is for us , tell that to ele shamans

[vital shard]

There is only one option to pad when the whole adds come

[smoky remnant]

or hunters

[indigo barn]

top log ele 37% boss on soulbinder

[lofty depot]

Good class

[vital shard]

But ec seems to be to low for ae burst, coz the adds arealready down when it begins to make boom

[smoky remnant]

wait no way

[vital shard]

Also on mythic the adds die too quick

[smoky remnant]

idk i played ec and felt awful

[indigo barn]

imagine doing damage to adds by casting a spell designed to do damage to adds

[smoky remnant]

but i fucked up too

[digital berry]

The intermission adds die too fast?

[smoky remnant]

no that is fine

the canister adds

[digital berry]

Yeah those just implode

[smoky remnant]

seems top loggers still press 2 starfalls on canisters

[vital shard]

Yeah but maybe there is a call

[round grail]

Hey everyone, first time boomie player stepping into 13s. Is Elune superior in M+? I feel like my damage outside of CA/trees is crap 🙁

[smoky remnant]

u only play ec in keys

[lofty depot]

Yes, and yea keeper beans

[vital shard]

It is

[grand radish]

Yeah elune is better for keys for sure. If you are ever unsure on which to play, check out the top runs on raiderio and see what they are all running to atleast get an idea

[vital shard]

U can play keeper for low leys in m+

[round grail]

Trees are dope though

[smoky remnant]

ec is 10 times easier tbh

[lofty depot]

Doing damage is doper

[round grail]

Follow up question, do we always send Fury or keep it until 4p stacks are about to run out?

[lofty depot]

Send

[grand radish]

elunes is super easy to blast on

While tank is grouping adds spam moonfire on all of them
Once they are grouped, sunfire

then, its time to turbo game

[vital shard]

Always on cd

[smoky remnant]

send on cd but u can slightly hold if u have araz + incarn and or bl and next pack is big

[round grail]

so the 4p has no gameplay impact whatsoever?

[smoky remnant]

but not more than a few globals

[indigo barn]

just try to not lose stacks

[smoky remnant]

actually no im stupid cause if next pack is big u lose stacks

yeah just send it on cd

[lofty depot]

If ur gonna lose stacks at the start of a pack u can send out of sequence but no

The kinda fucked it by not having it lower foe cd

[smoky remnant]

i wonder if in higher keys u send cds and araz on second foe cd

should be correct no?

[round grail]

Ok thanks everyone for the help 🙂

[lofty depot]

First CD just not gonna be the biggest

[smoky remnant]

yeh but then u press araz on second incarn if u incarn back to back

[pallid bay]

when the pack is half dead?

[smoky remnant]

Depends on the key lvl

I guess

[pallid bay]

its like

[smoky remnant]

I could easily fit incarn back 2 back first pull priory last season in 17/

[pallid bay]

7 gcds + 16 seconds of incarn

[smoky remnant]

17-18s

Priory , floodgate, ML

[quiet drift]

Youre wasting 2 on wraths to enter Lunar so prolly even more

[pallid bay]

idk if thats really that much value

[smoky remnant]

U dont

At least i didnt bother at all last season

[pallid bay]

bounding moonlight is p good tbh

[smoky remnant]

It was always dps loss

[pallid bay]

uncapped aoe

just depends if u can do it before the pull

[smoky remnant]

Yeah if u do it pre combat

But meh

[simple canyon]

I only enter lunar first if i have a sundered firmament proc. Idk if thats the play or not

[pallid bay]

yeah i mean its good prepull, dont think there's much to discuss there

if u bother

[smoky remnant]

Yeah

[pallid bay]

this is dwilkz +20 priory

1 min pull

with hopeful doing 11M 🫡

[quiet drift]

Hopeful is balasting Suleyman

[pallid bay]

and you're just losing half the trinket not in CA

[quiet drift]

Excused

[quiet drift]

Also Bl

[pallid bay]

and pot

idk i cant find a reason it would be better

[quiet drift]

And since its rng

There is a world where u press 2nd foe

And get no buff

[pallid bay]

oh this is about 4p buff

yeah i wouldnt care

how many starfires do u get out in first CA

[smoky remnant]

if i incarn back to back i send WoE first incarn and second incarn i meld

[digital berry]

There have been times when I legit got 0 stacks of 4p between two foes

That’s insane to me

[smoky remnant]

i rarely send nelf and woe same incarn in bl

[smoky remnant]

i have had it happen a bit this season and it felt bloody awful

[smoky remnant]

cant say for sure i dont have my haste mastery set for ec yet

[digital berry]

Or like the pack is ending I have foe up I have 3/4 stacks so I just try to refresh it for next pack and don’t get a single proc in 5 starfires

It’s just horribly designed nothing we can do about it

[smoky remnant]

at least it counts for starlord

[quiet drift]

Ye thats odd

Kotg also gives a starlord

[digital berry]

I was legit surprised when I found out it counts

[pallid bay]

unintentional, i'll get that fixed

[bitter bramble]

Haven't swapped mains ever, but alting Ele shaman feels kinda stupid in this economy.

[digital berry]

Well they are going to get nuked soon

[bitter bramble]

Well I suppose I could gear my pala. Their tantrum seems to have worked.

[digital berry]

If you’re tryna play something that is not going to be nuked just play mage

No shot they are ever bad

[upper anvil]

mages never bad, one spec will always be meta/very good while the other 2 will be decent

[leaden birch]

yo giga gamers

whats the strat on final boss of gambit with the soaks, does 1 person just do them all?

obv wait for the debuff to drop before next soak

[quiet crystal]

Who up stacking they starlords

[digital berry]

I think the healer is meant to do it

[leaden birch]

but is it a team effort or healer mech

[upper anvil]

depends on group, but normally healer can just do it

[leaden birch]

alright cool

[sly wadi]

yeah, my healer ends up handling the soaks during that phase

[upper anvil]

its easier when the healer just does it

[leaden birch]

literally lost a fkin 14 gambit yesterday on final boss because a dps decided to go help and double soaked

healer was pissed, but just wanted to be sure

[upper anvil]

its fine if dps grabs its, itsj ust not fine if it double soaks and the debuff doesnt drop

[digital berry]

I had a healer ego me cause I told them not to release mid blood soaker pull in flood

[craggy sonnet]

You can just send the 2nd CA a bit earlier if you can't fit another gcd

[digital berry]

Losing a gcd inside the first ca doesn’t matter since that gcd most likely would have been a wrath

[woven flint]

when are we locking the discord

[pallid bay]

original

[pure acorn]

Ele is super fun at least

[turbid crypt]

we're not children like ret pallies

[normal pilot]

why would you clsoe the discord. you don't want the addicts still playign balance let loose in the world

need to keep them contained in here

[turbid crypt]

tbh i'm glad there's less boomies playing. don't have to deal with FOTM players

[woven flint]

any way you can update the wa set with trinket procs instead of just the cd on it ?

[pure acorn]

The best place to be is exactly 4th place

[pallid bay]

no, trinket procs are for noobs

[normal pilot]

didn't jund used to have a trinket proc database WA

or maybe it was someone else. eitehr way rip

[woven flint]

no idea just using what the magician dsune pumps out

[sudden flame]

yo guys we should close the discord for buffs

thoughts?

[pallid bay]

no thoughts..

[lofty depot]

Idk, seems like ur getting some leakage

[pallid bay]

you can just copy some other WA in the pack and change trigger to track trinket buff

[craggy sonnet]

No, all these cdr talents are giga cursed cuz nothing lines up naturally and you would have to adjust for so many different fight lengths to be optimal

[woven flint]

isee ty

[ruby flicker]

just push buttons and hit the boss

[cloud plover]

trinket

[coral shell]

Any boomy buffs coming any time soon?

[maiden pasture]

hopefully

[pliant sky]

hello chickens quick question if i have main hand and off hand crafted what embillishments should i apply on them for raid

[leaden birch]

I have a choice

[daring gull]

ez trinket

[pallid bay]

[daring gull]

was either that or myth helm from my heroic helm that i catad

[scenic mist]

i'm gonna throw up

[upper anvil]

whats our off piece, tempted to go pants

[leaden birch]

do i take tier or trink

well, myth shoulders then cata

[pallid bay]

just take tier and get an antenna

[pliant sky]

sim

[leaden birch]

just get an antenna

[balmy echo]

Any boomy buffs coming any time soon?

[leaden birch]

easier said than done 😭

but you right my guild will give it to me

[pliant sky]

in our dreams

[nova ocean]

Is antenna still bis

[digital berry]

No need to take anything until at least heroic reclears

[nova ocean]

It's mythc

[daring gull]

it was either that or myth helm when i just cata'd a heroic helm previous week /shrug

[scenic mist]

myth helm would be evergreen

priory isnt

[urban crescent]

I haven't even killed loomithar????

What?

[scenic mist]

would have gone for the head

[sleek verge]

wrong fract items, wrong boots, unlucky. Tier angle.

[urban crescent]

How is this possible?

[scenic mist]

you killed souldbinder right ?

wings bosses

[urban crescent]

How was it possible for me to get myth track antenna only killing soulbinder and plexus?

[scenic mist]

shared vault table

[urban crescent]

does that count LMAO

thats crazy

[leaden birch]

yes

it's well known

[worthy oak]

Good afternoon everyone!

I'm using these trinkets, but the Araz came with the Great Vault. Do you think it's worth the upgrade?

[urban crescent]

oh ok my mistake

i didnt realize haha

thanks

[leaden birch]

nah ur good

grats btw

[urban crescent]

ty 😄

[lucid olive]

soulbinder is boss number 3 in the dungeon journal innit

[urban crescent]

sorry wasnt meaning to flex it i was just geniuenly confused

I didn't know that was how it worked

😅

[lucid olive]

they made it work like that after Vault of the Incarnates cause people were intentionally skipping bosses they didn't want the loot table from in vault

[urban crescent]

ah

[craggy sonnet]

Yea system is in to prevent cheesing vault by buying/skipping specific boss kills

[urban crescent]

that sounds like something people would have abused yeah

i think i remember that actually

people just refusing to raid to rig their vault

i remmeber people in my raid not wanting mythic to try and get 1 more vault slot on jastors

[scenic mist]

25 years later, the alts still havent killed terros and sennarth

[urban crescent]

aways gamble

Always gamble

you'll win eventually

[limpid osprey]

oof am i a socket chicken today?

[boreal brook]

Better than mine https://puu.sh/KzJnW/9e56592fe1.png

[limpid osprey]

haha idkk. i guess we both take neck? lmao

[lofty depot]

Why don't u like the neck

[limpid osprey]

belt has haste

[lofty depot]

Haste is shit

So what

[limpid osprey]

was thinking neck as well. wasnt sure if crit/vers the play

[viral cliff]

myth track helm in vault

[lofty depot]

Idk sim kt

I assume it's fine

[dry compass]

Where buff

[upper surge]

Do you save double celestial alignment for p3 Dimensius?

[lofty depot]

Do u like doing damage?

[upper surge]

No

[empty girder]

looks like a neck, what do you guys think?

[upper surge]

I'm playing Balance

[lofty depot]

Kk, then yea CD platform 2

[upper surge]

Appreciate it

[lofty depot]

Ring

[empty girder]

I have it champion track already

[lofty depot]

Is champ track myth track?

[empty girder]

ring is hero track tho

[lofty depot]

So is the neck

[empty girder]

thank you arctic, buff boomkin pls

[lofty depot]

Do 10s next week

Ring is bis

[empty girder]

wait

I'm confused, are you talking about omega ring or Radiant?

[lofty depot]

No

I'm talking about the priory ring

Idk the track levels u said it's hero track

I assumed it wasnt

[ebon parcel]

why is sacbrood trinket lower than lily trinket?
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/druid/balance/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[digital berry]

Ewww

[lofty depot]

Stop using bloodmallet

It's also shit

[empty girder]

oh hold on... so probably it would be priory ring... but I'm quite confused with the stats vers/Mastery

[lofty depot]

Welcome to boomkin where we like mastery + Crit/vers

[empty girder]

gonna sim it

[lofty depot]

Go ahead

[empty girder]

ty

[lofty depot]

Then while ur at it, sim ur crafted items to not be mastery haste cuz I'll assume u have those set like that

Then after that sim enchants and gems to not have haste

U'll gain some %

[urban crescent]

is the worldsoul weekly meant to be gone this week

i don't see it

[empty girder]

ok good to know, thank you... I thought stats were the same as the last season

[ruby flicker]

they were until u got 4 set

[blazing karma]

Is there a healthy balance (see what I did there) between gearing for m+ versus gearing for raid? Does EC still want mastery/haste? Or do we just full send on mastery + crit/versa?

[lofty depot]

Change our rings and neck

[pale halo]

Kotg for raid wants crits instead of haste if i recall

[warm atlas]

So when is this discord closing down? 🙂 maybe we can finally get rid of eclipse

[digital berry]

For Araz intermission is the play to stay in middle dot all canisters and starfall?

Since they have to die pretty close to each other

[night gulch]

can't really stay in the middle with the big ass beam that comes down

[lofty depot]

It's not, cuz we're not children

[dry compass]

The dodges in mythic are pretty chaos if your standing in the middle

[digital berry]

Oh so like stay between two or just full st?

[dry compass]

Although didn't they slow down the cast of those lines? Might be more playable now

[night gulch]

i did full st, with some starfall if the echo and the attendants were nearby

i did dot one of the side canisters, you can hit both with starfall with some positioning and not be in no mans land for your healers

[lofty depot]

Can get 2, idk if u can get 3