balance

[lofty depot]

happens there too

theres a lot of fundamental things

[minor swift]

ok cool, this is really helpful

[lofty depot]

so that surge there

at 103

u should be pooling for your next eclipse

we generally dump 3 at the start of eclipse right for starlord. but kind of using ur asp for fun

[minor swift]

ive been trying to focus on starlord stacks today, so thats goodd to know, thanks

[lofty depot]

i wouldnt necessarily worry about starlord stacks until u can get teh fundamentals of the rotation

of spending and pooling

ur rotation looks like u just want to spend spend spend

when u really want to think about, how u can pool

and then yea, cd usage is generally bad because of the understanding

you generally can trees on cd, but you dont CA without convoke/convoke without ca ever

[minor swift]

yep exactly - so rather pool AP and spend together at the beginning of an eclipse, rather than build - spend - build - spend?

I did dont understand that CA and convoke should always be used together - i've always hit either on CD but try line it up with trees, so thats hugely useful, thanks

[lofty depot]

so to break that down

you dont need to CA on cd

it has a charge, u could save it for 100 seconds and not have an issue

where u do use it is convoke timing

and now with the hero talent control of the dream, u have 15s leeway of that

thats why it comes up at 150, but ur usually holding for your 2m trinket

trees can generally be used on CD

but again, there are some few time holds

[minor swift]

ok cool, this is huge, thank you!

[rocky saddle]

Are trees a talent? I'm specced EC atm

[low sigil]

Quest in kotg. Look up like a delve talent build amd quest with that

[rocky saddle]

This is the way huh? I haven't played many classes lately that don't have a tank spec and always just end up using it for this reason

[lofty depot]

shares with woe

[rocky saddle]

Thank bytem

[low sigil]

I moonfire everything, trees incarn starfall and it just dies

[digital berry]

Cant imagine questing with ec

[rocky saddle]

Glad I asked. I just picked the talent string off dream Grove.

Main is DH but thinking of switching cuz DH is corny

[lofty depot]

seems like an odd thing to want to do

[stone ocean]

Anyone able to help me with trying to optimize ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/juYNduWUQks5h826FUaL7j

feel like I can get more out of this but I’m missing something

I have 1 cata charge but nothing to catalyze and no other tier in bags

[lofty depot]

change ur crafted stats

oh u dont have 4p yet

hm

[stone ocean]

Yea I don’t have 4p I’m waiting for another tier piece so I can cata to get 4 pc

[stone ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684

What did I do

[covert coyote]

Sim enchants

[lofty depot]

used that

[covert coyote]

Is what you didnt do

[lofty depot]

cosmos and ui are losses compared to sotf and crashing

[stone ocean]

Large losses ?

A loss is a loss but just curious how much

[lofty depot]

both swapped is -0,5... sotf and cosmos instead of sotf and crashing is -0.3

[rocky saddle]

Switch ?

[lofty depot]

switch to boomkin

[craggy sonnet]

would it be possible to just put these interactions into simc? guess they wont be fixing them after all

[rocky saddle]

Just trying new stuff, usually play melee classes. Was trying ranged. I might try shadow priest or mage too I don't douche hard content so I end up playing different classes here and there but def want to try a ranged DPS for a bit. Anything you RECCOMEND?

[digital berry]

Elly is super fun

Cds are very impactful and feel good

[lofty depot]

well it depends what u want out of said class

[surreal sorrel]

radiant power oh

[exotic storm]

M+ balance is fun if you love pretty stars

[lofty depot]

druid has the benefit of being able to really do anything but maybe the style of it isnt what u want, idk

[grand niche]

Void glass dagger proc rate is so low w/o set imo

Better than 0 but no set no bueno rn for me

[digital berry]

If the sim says it’s better, it’s better

It’s also bis on myth track only

[lofty depot]

the set is shit

[grand niche]

My thoughts too.

[lofty depot]

but ur worried about the wrong problem

ur spec procs damage at a rate lower than other specs

[grand niche]

Ah I came for bitching and walk away with enlightenment. Tis a good day

[digital berry]

Can you wild charge over the rings on dimensius

Or is any form of verticality not working?

[lofty depot]

nop

[digital berry]

Only mages and locks can avoid that I guess

[lofty depot]

yep

deep pull for liquid

[digital berry]

Why did firedup just give up and die

Zoomed in

[lofty depot]

blackhole

[digital berry]

Does anybody stand a chance actually killing this shit this week

How are they gonna pull 30% out of their ass

[lofty depot]

yea liquid kills it surely

max said so

[dry compass]

They have to move lust I think

Phase 3 is just way too much movement and one shots to find 30%

But I've been wrong before

[exotic storm]

Liquid always optimizes like magic

Moving lust if they could would make it easy though

Remember watching them hit enrage on Sark at like 40%

[dry compass]

Yeah I the first boss I remember really watching them dial in was denathrius

[pliant moon]

What do you guys do if you're in a m+, you dot all the mobs, hit incarn and start blasting but straight after, the tank pulls another pack? Dot new mobs or wait until incarn over?

[dry compass]

They were consistently doing p3 cleanly and dying to enrage at like 20-25%

And over the next hour and a half they just got better by 2-3% per p3 until it was dead

[digital berry]

Idk I don’t have high hopes

That it dies tonight

What is stopping them from moving lust to p3? They have p1 down and it’s just rinse and repeat no?

[dry compass]

i can see a world where liquid doesnt kill, echo wakes up and moves lust and wins

[digital berry]

Like is there an enrage in p1?

[dry compass]

they have p1 down with lust but it's super dangerous and without lust they will have another set of nasty mechs to do

[sudden pawn]

cause u have to readjust cds in p1 and 2 for dmg cause p2 is extremely tight

[dry compass]

they will basically have to redo all their defensive/healing cds for p1

[digital berry]

Oh true yeah

All the cds will have to be moved around for p2 which is like the real difficult part of the fight

[noble spindle]

bro im getting aids trying to wrap my head around this set...

[sudden pawn]

theyre barely killing the big adds before their enrage and theyre letting the push knock them off, until xalathath saves them from falling off

on plat 2

[noble spindle]

do i just hold CA until i get 2 stacks now

[digital berry]

That’s just a bug I assume

[digital berry]

No

[sudden pawn]

dont think so

[lofty depot]

at 4m

[digital berry]

It’s entirely dependent on fight length

[sudden pawn]

xalatath is supposed to save u there

[lofty depot]

but depends on timer

[noble spindle]

bro its like

[dry compass]

if you have 2 stacks use the starsurges in the second CA so you get full boat, if you dont have 2 stakcs use at the end of the 1 CA you do have

[lofty depot]

if u cant make it to 4m

u hold 2m cd for like 330

[digital berry]

They are falling for like 5 seconds and get ported back up cause the add dies, idk if that’s intended

[dry compass]

its really fucking toxic trying to figure out cd timings this tier lmao

[noble spindle]

doing research to do mid damage

vs my ele where idk what the fuck im doing wtf is doing damag

and somehow doing like 2mil dps more

[sudden pawn]

theyre just waiting for RP until xal ports u up

and sends u in

[digital berry]

Well we are probably getting buffed after rwf

[noble spindle]

buff will NOT save this fucking tier set

[dry compass]

#1 wishlist item for boomie in midnight is fucking delete control and just make our cd timers line up like human beings

[lofty depot]

tier set is poggers

[digital berry]

Well new hero trees means no control most likely

Tier set is goated

[craggy sonnet]

but there are no "new" hero trees

are there?

[dry compass]

yeah they're not new

[strange edge]

It's fine. It's the first one we've had to play around more in a minute

[dry compass]

theyre just adding a middle column between the top/bottom

[digital berry]

Oh I assumed they were gonna rework them all and change things up like a tier set

[noble spindle]

can they just line our cds up please

like

pleeeeeease

[sudden pawn]

no u will do 5x the work of other classes

for half the dmg

and youll like it

[noble spindle]

do u know how satisfying it is when im playing my ele or mage

where all my cds just naturally line up

[digital berry]

Let’s not pretend even with this tier set that the spec is hard to play

[strange edge]

Yeah it's def not

[sudden pawn]

nothing in wow is hard to play anymore so

its just a lame venthyr ramp

[digital berry]

It’s better then a passive dps increase buff

[noble spindle]

venthyr ramp where u lorgok stun yourself mid way

[sudden pawn]

we've all been a victim of venthyr ramping the sylv bridge with decurse

[strange edge]

Or miss a CD at the right time so it's over before your ending ramp

[sudden pawn]

and stunning urself

[noble spindle]

i was talking about his jailer moment but yeah that too

[sudden pawn]

theres to many moments to count on 1 hand

[noble spindle]

it was on their kill

[glass epoch]

Hi everyone 🙂 I have a quick question, ... how do you Simul in Raidbot for M+ ? Does 1 Patchwrk its ok as Single Target or you set 3+ Patchwrk to SIM ?

[digital berry]

Most people do 1t5m and call it a day

[haughty moon]

what do you do in first pull of arakara? i get asked not to predot as the tank is pulled to the miniboss, is that kinda what you guys experience as well?

[digital berry]

You can sim mdt but it’s more specific simming

[digital berry]

Yeah you don’t wanna dot until you’re crossing the web bridge imho, you’re going to rip aggro 100%

You can also proc a mushroom and fuck everything over since it slows

[haughty moon]

do you think i should just not moonfire everything in that pull?

[snow elm]

Blizzard wouldn’t allow boomies to be at the absolute bottom of the raid for an entire patch would they 😭

[haughty moon]

that's always a bl pull, but i moonfire everything it'll be dead when i bursst

[digital berry]

Moonfiring everything is definitely a case by case thing

Lots of low hp mobs

[digital berry]

Chances are we are getting buffed next reset, it’s 50/50 chances tho

[wild dune]

[supple haven]

is real but I would hope for a buff after the race is over.

[cloud plover]

swear it's always the boomkins sandbagging

near top dps in raid and they go bwaaa bottom dps

smh

[lofty depot]

yep sandbagging raid dps frfr

definately gonna be top when we get 5% aura'd

[sudden pawn]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ShPwcYO0pk99MJCkMZ/giphy.gif

[turbid nacelle]

i still dont know whats better potent or grove's inspiration what do u guys think

does it depend on fight length ?

[craggy sonnet]

so we can be tauren in a nelf body?

lets go

[lofty depot]

depends on fight timers if u can get a better timing or 1 more ca

[craggy sonnet]

needed it this season tho

[lofty depot]

yea but i need void elf blink

but im not allowed

[craggy sonnet]

cant have everything

also fuck all of these cdr nodes

what a stupid design space

yea this fight is surely gonna be 20s longer and i wont need the cdr node

[turbid nacelle]

what is the duration where potent becomes better

i simmed 1 target 4 mins 5 mins 6 mins 7 mins grove beats it in all

[lofty depot]

each use saves 10 seconds each ca

sooooooooooooo

[turbid nacelle]

woop i lied in 7m potent won

[lofty depot]

260 is 420 right

if fight is 440ish potent is worth

if the fight is 540 u didnt need potent

[craggy sonnet]

but like how much is grove inspiration winning by?

[turbid nacelle]

in 5m fight it sims 0.6% higher for me

[craggy sonnet]

hm yea idk

[lofty depot]

yea but variance....

🙂

[craggy sonnet]

its hard to tell how much to even put into this

since apl prolly not super optimized to deal with different fight length scenarios perfectly

so this could swing maybe by the same margin in either direction from where its at now

bounteous bloom / early spring is the same probably

[lofty depot]

hmm

guess the time clanker

[turbid nacelle]

6m

[lofty depot]

540, come on i just told you :/

now guess the time

[turbid nacelle]

sry i am to stupid

[lofty depot]

440

[turbid nacelle]

cant do maff

so if the fight is 440 that means u can get 2-2 ca combo

with potent ye?

[lofty depot]

nah 440 is 2 1 2

and the 2nd 2 ends like 5-10 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

but the thing is that this also changes a lot considering fight specifics

where you want to hold a bit

and maybe then you wouldnt get another set in etc

its all cursed

[turbid nacelle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nj4DCLZVFBPR2yK6?fight=38&type=casts&source=2&view=timeline look this log cooked my brain

[lofty depot]

well yea u dont send cds until the amp

but the last part theyre just sending because they dont know when it will end

couldve done a 3rd double

[turbid nacelle]

ic

[craggy sonnet]

yea, this log tho

its interesting

like

what if they kill 20s faster

would you have been better off with potent?

[lofty depot]

uhhh

planerrrrrrrrrrrrr

well whats weird is poten has it at 615-620

non-potent is 640

so yea if fight lasts 7m

its worse

but its cutting it close

[digital berry]

See but I dont get how potent affects your cds cause its all based off of convoke

[lofty depot]

well in this example, ur holding convoke because of the amp

so ur holding that convoke 1.5 minutes

[craggy sonnet]

potent affects your ability to send double CA end of fight instead of single

if you dont get another convoke in

also something is sketchy with wrath

i've seen this when hitting dummy as well

wanted to investigate it more

and just seen the same happen in this log

some wrath just randomly hits for 15M non crit

[lofty depot]

hmm

i got one for 8m

[unique remnant]

How are they feeling about Elune's new tier? Personally, it's not quite convincing me, especially that it only lasts 12 seconds.

[lofty depot]

convoke opener wrath

curious

[craggy sonnet]

no

[lofty depot]

thats wehre mine is

[craggy sonnet]

so in this log

its the wrath at 6:14

[lofty depot]

so another ca

[turbid nacelle]

umbral brace + blooming infusion maybe

[lofty depot]

oo i hit another at 6m

[craggy sonnet]

feels shite

you need a lot of haste to make it feel better i think

[lofty depot]

yea in convoke

[craggy sonnet]

yea, im telling you

[turbid nacelle]

ye prolly proc reg for blooming infusion or umbral brace or both

[craggy sonnet]

ok yea

this one is also during convoke

[lofty depot]

yea blooming proc

massive

lock in clanker

[turbid nacelle]

wont forget 100m starfire with umbral blooming nature grace

[craggy sonnet]

ok yea

[unique remnant]

It is very likely, given that I currently have 15k of haste and in simulations recommends that I change everything, even the stat of the layer to haste.

[craggy sonnet]

how am i getting this on a dummy

ffs

[lofty depot]

starfire slow

need more

[craggy sonnet]

15m still insane tho

thats non crit

[lofty depot]

thats crazy

when im only getting 8m

in raid

[turbid nacelle]

i mean if u use regrowth dr

from insta procs u get

[craggy sonnet]

talking about this log

[turbid nacelle]

maybe u can line up 1 or 2 with cds

but not that much

[craggy sonnet]

but the 2nd highest non crit

was 3M

[lofty depot]

u said u were hitting dmmy

[craggy sonnet]

like how does this check out

yea, i was hitting dummy seeing big wrath numby in my details

multiple times

but didnt log that shit or anything

double 3M is not 15M

[lofty depot]

smh

[craggy sonnet]

how does it hit for 15M

[lofty depot]

big ascension proc

[craggy sonnet]

we need the secret tech .. also makes the healer trinky much better

[lofty depot]

has umbral aswell

[turbid nacelle]

how much haste would u roughly say we need in m+ for ec

[lofty depot]

the same u had before like 24k or some shit

[turbid nacelle]

we didnt have 24k xdd

last season i had like 28k mastery and 15k haste

[lofty depot]

yea i said "like or some shit"

because i give negative fucks

[turbid nacelle]

m+>raid

[lofty depot]

yea totally

[turbid nacelle]

xdd title pog

[lofty depot]

Mental Illness +

[boreal shale]

Yea thoughts for Keeper of the Grove VS elune for raiding?

[lofty depot]

keeper

u play ec on soul hunters

[daring gull]

do we break 4 piece for 2 piece?

[boreal shale]

That’s like what the 4 last boss with the 3 guys?

[lofty depot]

yes

[lofty depot]

yes

u can sim it

[boreal shale]

Man I honestly dislike having to sim stuff

[craggy sonnet]

these two are both during convoke, the first has blooming infusion, the second has umbral

double 3M is not 15M

[lofty depot]

strums the tiniest violin

[lofty depot]

hm

[calm ibex]

Then don’t and vibe it

Feelycraft

[boreal shale]

I just don’t think it’s healthy for the game

[normal pilot]

simming won't make the class any better just send full vibe

[lofty depot]

because u rather be the chill guy and not know whats the best

i gotchu

[daring gull]

making it so we dont have to talent solar beam will make the class better

[lofty depot]

we were there in df

[daring gull]

ik

[lofty depot]

and we didnt take it and got yelled at

[daring gull]

yeah but fuck em

[lofty depot]

type shit

[daring gull]

making a baseline ability a talent after years of it not being

cringe

[lofty depot]

just waiting on this

[boreal shale]

I mean I should be able tell what’s better just by comparing the items and not running it through a simulation

[lofty depot]

then why cant u?

[normal pilot]

you can for the casual standard wow is set to

take higher ilevel with mastery. done

that will get you within the +/- the game is tuned to

if you decide to go even byond what the devs intend tuning to be that's kind of on the player

[wicked zenith]

Forgive me if its already been pinned somewhere but I've been looking. Anyone got a good dryads favor (4piece) weakaura?

[craggy sonnet]

#balance message

holy

liquid getting into p3 with lust up

put your seat belts on

we gaming

[fading cape]

What lvl M+ are you guys finding the switch to EC better?

Keeper feels weird to me in M+ this season

[haughty moon]

i played a lot of keepr last season in m+

it feels kinda unplayable now

[digital berry]

keeper in this season doesnt sound like smth that youd wanna do

idk the tier set doesnt sound fun

for an m+ scenario

[haughty moon]

is actually easier to play in m+ because you have longer incarn window

it's just bad because main reason for keeper was to shorten your ramp

now i'm not sure what it's for

[dense steeple]

its for st fights like plexus

[haughty moon]

i liked it a lot in lower keys before

[digital berry]

you probably just play ec across all key lvls

[dense steeple]

as someone who never ec'd last tier

[haughty moon]

but like i said i just can't this season

[dense steeple]

i promise you you do not want to play kotg in keys this season

[craggy sonnet]

they really have to extend the ec stack duration

[digital berry]

if liquid doesnt kill tonight i feel like its joever for them

who cares about stack duration give me some more chance to proc

[haughty moon]

yeah i really don't know what to make of the 4pc for ec

[digital berry]

its insane sometimes

[craggy sonnet]

both

[haughty moon]

it feels like nothing

[craggy sonnet]

things

are terrible

[haughty moon]

okay i'm not the only one feeling like total shit in keys?

[craggy sonnet]

dropping stacks while spamming starfire good times

[digital berry]

bro ngl on some bosses in floodgate you can get like 8 mill dps by prepping 6 stacks on the pack before boss

it feels nice

[craggy sonnet]

dropping stacks while going to next pack also good times

[dense steeple]

felt great last week when no one had tier, now i fuckin suck again

[craggy sonnet]

having to send during dotting prolly even a bait

[digital berry]

i legit do not look at the stacks for like 90% of a key

if you dont know you dropped stacks you cant get upset by it

[haughty moon]

i don't look at stacks either, i assumed it was a damage loss to hold ec?

is it not?

sorry foe

hold foe

[digital berry]

i hold on like the last boss of the dungeon or smth

[craggy sonnet]

i mean .. yea sure maybe

[digital berry]

cause who cares i want 6 stacks

[craggy sonnet]

but its still high variance

[digital berry]

starfire outdpsing starfall just doesnt sit right with me

[haughty moon]

JESUS IT"S NOT JUST ME

i don't know what to make of this season

[craggy sonnet]

and i feel like it can definitely be worth dragging your foe cd through part of an eclipse to then get higher stacks + dreamstate for ca

[haughty moon]

everything kinda feels bad

[digital berry]

that just feels like padding

[haughty moon]

i always lived by the rule that if you play ec foe is on cd

[dense steeple]

i deadass dont even think about it

[digital berry]

sitting on dmg in a key because you want bigger numbers later

[dense steeple]

i just slam buttons ec

fuck waiting for tier buff

its not gonna do dam anyway

[haughty moon]

i just want it to be more fun to play

[digital berry]

i pay attention to it when the stars align and i wanna send trink + ca + 6 stacked 4p into like momma boss in flood

for big damn

[craggy sonnet]

well

the concept always applies tho

if its more dam its more dam

not sure why thats pad

[digital berry]

Cause you could be doing more damage to the current pack

[craggy sonnet]

i am talking about the current pack

[digital berry]

If it was in a premade group I mean every cd is planned so whatever

Im not sending cds on a pack at half hp

[craggy sonnet]

i was saying dragging foe through remaining duration of current eclipse

and ca after

[digital berry]

But again you’re gambling

You could cast 4/5 starfires without a proc

It just doesn’t feel nice

[craggy sonnet]

sure

at least you get the dreamstates out of it

[digital berry]

Hence why I don’t look at it and just blast

[craggy sonnet]

but idk, they definitely turned the wrong knobs again

[digital berry]

The procs giving you starlord stacks feels nice ngl

[craggy sonnet]

make it more consistent, decrease the dmg amp

not reduce proc chance

[digital berry]

They fumbled both of our tier sets so bad this tier

In terms of tuning

[craggy sonnet]

indeed

clown tuning

[past tide]

hello friends

why is clankz here now

[digital berry]

One is a mess to tune right and the other you don’t interact with

Hey mattiu why have I not seen your clock on twitter in a while

[past tide]

cuz im playing wow

[spring lodge]

WA for tier tracking?

[craggy sonnet]

im here because i was pressured out of playing rdruid late s1 and start of s2

[past tide]

why

[craggy sonnet]

so had to game as balance all season

because apparently druid was "bad" and someone else was up to play priest

[past tide]

[craggy sonnet]

m+ btw

and now that i got into a guild as dps last season im kinda locked in

[fading cape]

Same here, working my way up now and its starting to feel terrible around 8s

[craggy sonnet]

maybe gonna play some resto in keys this season once balance stuff is all figured out

[spring lodge]

anyone have the weakaura to track tier? link when you can

[craggy sonnet]

search for "oibalance"

[haughty moon]

yeah it's big sad. i wouldn't play it all anymore tbh

i tried it twice in 10s today and it's honestly griefing

i played the old way using it as a ramp and also tried the new way with the 2 gcd delay

neither is good

[fading cape]

Big sad confirmed

[haughty moon]

yeah

plus we are not in the greatest state as it sounds

kinda sad bc i think before the change keeper had good funnel potential

[craggy sonnet]

indeed did

killed that off completely

[teal sphinx]

@delicate perch give me my ring, 18 DB runs

[woven flint]

For some reason i cant use my cloack in raid and nexus king to go to the platform it is keybind on x but switchen it to a diff keybind also didnt work

Sane motw

But everything else wors

Trier relogging

Zoning in and out

Re equipping cloqck

Cloack

Any tips ?

Says action connot be performed now

[fading cape]

Did you macro the cloak itself or the extra action button?

[woven flint]

Extra action button

[fading cape]

Weird, worked fine for me like 20 minutes ago, haven't heard of that one yet

[atomic swallow]

just checked the wclogs raid stats holy we're cooked boys

pack it up for next season

[woven flint]

i restarted the pc it works now 🤣

its because raid is heavy burst we dont have that

[atomic swallow]

go figure when they nerf your bursty tier set 9 times it ends up being terrible

[delicate perch]

My dungeon luck is so cooked

[teal sphinx]

i got everything pretty easily but this fucking ring man

[fleet furnace]

Oh, we dead last?

By a wide margin?

Can we go on strike?

Can someone recap the new single target rotation?

You're doing CE, 2 GCD, Treants, Convoke, CE again. I saw someone mention that you do 2 CE, 1 CE, 2 CE but my brain can't make the math work for when we hold for 2. Are we literally holding convoke for like 2 minutes?

[frozen marsh]

do i care about number of stacks of 4p when playing EC in M+?

[digital berry]

It’d not worth it to play around it

Chase the only way to actively do smth about it is to hold foe

[frozen marsh]

so i just play like s2?

[digital berry]

And that is not something you want to do since the hero tree is literally all about using foe on cd and getting cdr on it

Yeah

There’s some very small optimization you can do here and there

[formal marsh]

Jastors still or no?

[lofty depot]

after convoke i usually can send 1-2 surges

and wrath til the end

then its called CA not CE....

the 2 1 2 is saying u "double ca", but its that sequence of abilities

1 is at 2m with convoke, u dont get the 2nd CA in there, but still the same sequence other wise

then at 420 u get the 2nd double CA

[digital berry]

Liquid getting tired and making dumb mistakes, i feel like echo has a good shot

They had an amazing pull but someone went to the wrong place when hiding in p3

[strong bronze]

The fact that starfall is nowhere near my top dmg is a crime

[low nexus]

got my 4P and my damage went down 🙁 is the set bugged?

[pale whale]

Oooof, I've had to reroll in my team as 2 boomies ain't it and I have a backup char ready to go

[quartz kindle]

Is EC set practically just ignored and you pray you get a decent amount of stacks betwen FoE casts or

[strong bronze]

Yup thats correct

And with the nerf to the proc rate , actually its harder to get any decent stacks

[buoyant marlin]

guys i was simming myself and checking top balance performers on m+
most of top scored balances are heavily mastery (enchants, gems as well as mastery heavy items)
but when i sim myself it suggests me to go haste (also stat weight shows mastery at bottom after 23-24k mastery)
i dunno what should i aim 😄

[gusty shore]

Simbot dungeon slice is not working still.
How can I sim myrself for M+?

[buoyant marlin]

i generally just do 5patchwerks

[obsidian jetty]

there is no good way to sim M+. mdt sim is the closest you'll get

5t sustain is not what a M+ dungeon is, so you're unlikely to get any useful result from that

[gusty shore]

Another question, the starsurge proc from 2set of the Elune tree, would it also reduce the CD of Fury of Elune?
I mean is it suppose to trigger Lunation? Or I am looking for a false hope? 😄

[lucid olive]

It doesn't no

It did for a while on PTR but got nerfed

[gusty shore]

Thanks

[fast tartan]

hey guys do you know any boomkin player which already recorded a +12 or higher key ? just to compare damage and see wtf im doing wrong in ST 😒

cant find one even in twitch clips

[round field]

probably dwilkz

mby

[maiden pasture]

There's probs public logs aswell

[fast tartan]

ok thx ill take a look

[royal zenith]

think he wants footage

not logs

but yeah logs will have damooge

[minor swift]

Relooking at my logs from raid last night - how can I parse green for all druids but grey for my ilvl, when my ilvl is only like 688? Are boomkins just more powerful at lower ilvl?

Surely if I’m green for all Druids, my ilvl parses should be the same or higher when at lower ilvls

[warm briar]

Probably kill times?

I’m the same way but we have long arse kill times, plus I’m probably messing up my rotation somewhere

[lucid olive]

Lower number of people at that ilvl than total parses + a solid chunk of the parses at that ilvl are mythic raiders with bis gear from last season who are generally good players

[south geyser]

Anyone else here who has weird stats since S3? My sims keep telling me to pump everything into crit and vers. Apparently I should use 6 slots for crit/vers gems while also enchanting my weapon for crit and wearing the neck from Floodgate (Mastery/vers)

[lucid olive]

Keeper 4pc has no haste scaling so thats normal yes

[south geyser]

Well, that explains a lot. Thank you

[haughty wren]

I eliminated 'Grubber' for the first time earlier today and I was surprised by the results of my encounter. I thought it would take me 30-60 seconds to dispatch him, but I blundered the opening sequence with a second sunfire and then overlapping CAs, the result of which was starsurge hitting for ~36M/cast and Grubber dead in ~10s. I'm fairly new to BD - is this expected behavior? Can anyone explain why they suddenly got so impressively powerful? Here's the damage breakdown and cast log

[jaunty blaze]

bro discovered where all his damage is

stay tuned for what happens after

[livid jay]

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

read the part about single target rotation opener and the part on how to use the new 4 set

[craggy sonnet]

To be fair, I'm guessing this should have hardly filled the cap to any meaningful degree

[minor swift]

My stats are all haste rn so bad, probably impacts my parses too

Should we be prioritising getting the 4pc whatever the gear or wait for a Hero track piece

[craggy sonnet]

4pc should be better than any ilvl difference

But wouldn't necessarily spend cata charges on non hero gear

[minor swift]

Okay cool

Determined to get gud now

[prime hill]

Hey, some days ago, i saw a macro to avoid double use ca if i double press it, can someone have it? thks guys

[maiden pasture]

hero track is infinitely farmable, catalyzing any lower is just lazy

[minor swift]

Farmable in M+? I’m still relearning after over a decade off the game haha

[craggy sonnet]

yes
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pLpQSCIV9_P_89MExObd5tOc_Ce2WFa5xCMd0Y4eHgc/htmlview?gid=937744938#gid=937744938

[minor swift]

Huge, thanks!

[round field]

that rare takes increased damage

[slow quail]

When’s boomy getting buffed?

[copper vortex]

After world first

[heavy iris]

anyone know if you can get loomithar loot in vault if you kill soulbinder cause its technically the 3rd boss

[lucid olive]

yes you can

[heavy iris]

huge

[digital berry]

If i get sat on soulbinder next week again ima crash out

[fleet furnace]

Is there some change to Aether Kindling where it doesn't extend on things not in range?

[heavy iris]

i fell for the bait and played EC on souldbinder like a dumbass

[vagrant cove]

I have to ask, is the instant cast regrowth even worth using when you're in a situation where you're soloing something hits somewhat hard?

I feel like that heal is just sooo insignificant but maybe im wrong?

[delicate perch]

Being alive > being dead

[jaunty blaze]

if you play kotg you have a hero talent that gives you 8% dr

[delicate perch]

If one thing keeps you alive it’s worth

[jaunty blaze]

its like a mini def cd

[lofty depot]

they didnt do balance druid apex talents first

were saved

[jaunty blaze]

[delicate perch]

We’re so back (false)

[vagrant cove]

Well thats what im asking, if it even keeps you alive. I feel like it does like 500k healing and for me who is undergeared and still has 11 million health its a bit yikes

That 8% DR though sounds nice, but i was playing elunes anyway unfortunately

[delicate perch]

Well hard casting it for no dr is a wild amount less value yes

I personally wouldn’t use EC for soloing anything though

[lofty depot]

well the ec heal is piss

[vagrant cove]

Ah fair enough, yeah ill just have to start playing my other build instead I think a bit more haha. Sometimes I forget to swap out after i've done a dungeon or whatever

Appreciate it :)

[delicate perch]

Keeper very good for world content, if struggling that badly to live even just take the talent to let them taunt

[lament abyss]

The insta Regrowth procs also play into the damage of Blooming Infusion

[lofty depot]

and keeper u cna use taunt trees

[delicate perch]

[indigo barn]

our apex talent will be some variation of Heart of the Wild anyway

[lofty depot]

nah final apex talent is surge storing damage

lock in

[craggy sonnet]

but hotw is a class talent?

[indigo barn]

for now

[delicate perch]

It’ll be a second hearthstone so you can help summon and leave raid more often

[formal marsh]

It will be something like "gain 3% damage for 3ms for every second on your /played"

[nova ocean]

Can't wait for the new ec hero row to be stuff like starfire cast is longer and does more damage

[drifting nova]

100% crit

[digital berry]

Surely we are not first because there’s a complete and total rework

[jaunty blaze]

surely

[lofty depot]

surely

[digital berry]

Balance support spec in midnight

Cause it’s removed and in its stead is a link for a better help coupon

[nova ocean]

Ya I was surprised they didn't show ours first like they normally do and went with evoker lol

[digital berry]

Tbh i can’t find the link to the ones they showcased

I think I’m dumb

[dry cave]

hello guys, how u sim for m+?

[digital berry]

You generally don’t

Most people sim 1t5m

If you really want to, there’s the option to mdt sim

But most people don’t bother and just look at what the 1t5m sim says and judge accordingly

[lofty depot]

wowhead

[digital berry]

Homie looking fine as hell btw

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-meme-left-on-read-gif-26241826

[broken valve]

about the gems, do i still want to get 1 of all 4 colours of gems for the blasphemite effect? or do i stack the 2 shown in the pictures?

[urban crescent]

does the below 25% mana portion of diamantine voidcore work for dps specs?

[digital berry]

Yes but we regen mana too fast to make use of it

[lofty depot]

sim it

[urban crescent]

cant pre dump mana before a pull to proc it? damn

thats sad

[digital berry]

You want at least 1 of each

[digital berry]

You can, but what does it do

[maiden pasture]

You can but there's no point

[lofty depot]

u can, but u gain that mana back in like 20 seconds

[urban crescent]

F

[maiden pasture]

You will gain more DPS by focusing on playing the class properly anyway

[lofty depot]

its shit

[broken valve]

i see, tyvm ❤️

[urban crescent]

i am not cooking

[pallid bay]

you should cook

[digital berry]

SIM doesn’t take the speed gain into account Arctic

[pallid bay]

talent swap prepull to be 0 mana

[urban crescent]

pog??

[lofty depot]

yea but im using crit

[urban crescent]

surely hero voidcore this week

[pallid bay]

wild growth to spend mana in downtime or before amp

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-26881270

[digital berry]

How many wild growths would you even have to cast to go below 25%

Wait is crit the new meta because of new tier set?

[jaunty blaze]

set about getting huge crits

hmm

[digital berry]

Crit gem is real dogwater tho

[jaunty blaze]

numby bigger more good

[lofty depot]

imagine being wrong

tauren next

lock in

[digital berry]

Id rather reroll

[craggy sonnet]

crit gem actually way bigger now

also tauren yea

its like 0.6% or something?

[digital berry]

.6% doesn’t seem like a meaningful addition ngl

[craggy sonnet]

well, depends what you expect

[digital berry]

The movement speed oughta be more impactful no

[normal pilot]

not if you're a perfect player

[jaunty blaze]

fuck moving out of puddles

healer mechanic

[craggy sonnet]

idk depends .. i've opted for crit gem as well this tier

but movement speed is hard to gauge

if it saves you then it saves you

at least still speedy for m+

[digital berry]

Yeah mini game is not part of my interests

Guess ima be a sheep and follow the leader our mighty Arctic

[craggy sonnet]

if dimensius is killable this week, then - holy moly - they locked in that tuning real nice

can push p1 super close without lust

[digital berry]

If it’s not a lot of people are going to be very upset

[craggy sonnet]

can push platforms super close as well

these are all very satisfying

sick boss ngl

[craggy sonnet]

if they ever reach the end of p3 with all folks alive and dont kill, they will probably immediately slap a small hp nerf onto the boss

[grand halo]

any here can tell me if im doing my correct rotation with Boomie pls if i share my logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/quelthalas/Sylvinee

[lofty depot]

ur not delaying trees

yea ur doing the old sequencing

read the guide

[jaunty blaze]

he also sent second convoke without cds

on first boss

[lofty depot]

im looking at soul binder shrug

[grand halo]

so i need to save always the trees for convoke?

[jaunty blaze]

just check the dreamgrove guide first

[grand halo]

can u share the link pls

[jaunty blaze]

its in the channel description

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendium

[grand halo]

thanks im new here sorry

[jaunty blaze]

all good

[lofty depot]

no, u need to delay trees 2 gcds into ca so u can get the buff on the buffed surges

read the guide, and come back with questions

[heavy iris]

where exactly do i paste the race sims string in raidbots to see the difference? In the top block after everything or in custom APL?

[digital berry]

No shot boss dies this reset

[heavy iris]

They probably wait till NA gets up and everyone is on to small nerf right? No way they let it go to reset

NA wins 110% if they do

[lofty depot]

its dead today forusre

[craggy sonnet]

they have not managed to reach the end with everyone alive

so you cant tell if they can get it done

believe ele cds are gonna come back up

[heavy iris]

liquid kills it today for sure

[craggy sonnet]

i wouldnt say "for sure"

[meager storm]

Imagine method gets a lucky pull and wins holy

For the history books

[craggy sonnet]

i dont think you can get lucky on this boss

[dry compass]

You can highroll an extra 5% dam and still die at 15% if you don't have perfect movement

It's wild

[digital berry]

They lost 6 people like 30 seconds before enrage, 6 people don’t do 18% in 30 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

they had 2 people dead with over 1min on the enrage, 4 people dead with just sub 1min

[strong bronze]

I dont think dimensius is dying

[digital berry]

And you think that’s enough for 18% ?

[strong bronze]

The casters are struggling to get any meaningful uptime due to just having to move alot

[digital berry]

And they are stacked with casters

[craggy sonnet]

well, ofc its tight if possible

but they have 3 eles

with their 3min ascendance coming up

people dead over a min

you just cant tell yet

[digital berry]

how much hp does p3 have

[exotic perch]

If they don't die they kill it

But thats the hard part

[digital berry]

4 people so far have dropped mommas necklace in flood this week in my group and they all gave it to someone else

im gonna crash out

[upper surge]

I wish we played orbital strike

[lofty depot]

u could play that

[upper surge]

wouldn't that be basically a handicap?

[normal pilot]

you're playing balance druid anyways

may as well play what you find fun

[upper surge]

fair enough

But even so I like doing the biggest number I can

[lofty depot]

then why would u wish u played something inferior

smh

its ok, maybe in the midnight rework

were praying, while others will be prey-ing

[upper anvil]

is there a way to get rid of the blue falling stars shit from CA/incar

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[upper anvil]

i assume its CA or incar when i press my cds my screen fills with blue falling star like thingy

[lofty depot]

its from starfall not incarn

[upper anvil]

ah

[obsidian tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/starfall-gif-2909646910056891152

[lofty depot]

ur dryads first spell is starfall

[vagrant prawn]

for elunes do you ever hold elunes fury for the 4piece or just let it rip on CD

[obsidian tapir]

I tried both ways in m+

it all depends man its the shittiest 4 set ever

[digital berry]

Never hold

When you hold you don’t get a single proc for 5 starfire in a row

[obsidian tapir]

if you have a good tank who knows about your 4 set he can play around it

but in pugs you wont find something like this

[digital berry]

It’s also not worth for the tank probably since it’s not like we’re blasting this season

[vagrant prawn]

Thats what I thought. Ive been kinda holding if Incarn is close and Im not at 6 stacks but mostly just letting it rip.

[digital berry]

It’s so rare to even get to 6 stacks

[obsidian tapir]

depends on your haste and luck

[digital berry]

Well yeah, but because luck is involved it’s probably never a good angle to hold

[spark inlet]

sniff my first ever Normal clear ever in WoW

[digital berry]

Every single time I held I didn’t get a single stack and the buff expired

[obsidian tapir]

use it before the buff expire

[digital berry]

Now off to heroic

[spark inlet]

Noooooo, thats too intimidating for me

[digital berry]

Brother I am just gambling

If I cast 4 starfire in a row and I don’t get a proc, and buff is 2 seconds from expiring, I’m casting one more cause surely now it will proc

And then it doesn’t

[lofty depot]

lock in

[dry compass]

the fact that this is in weakauras addon code is hilarious

[candid timber]

Hello, I am currently checking the final optimization/best gear we should aim for on the long run (to do a BIS list for raiding with my guild), and I am a bit lost on what to put as after checking Icy veins, Wowhead, Maxroll, SimulationCraft, ... it seems they are not giving the same gear.
Which source are you usually looking at ? (I would like to know which stats on neck/ring I should aim for in the long term if something drops in raid, and I know that simming each gear is the best for your current char status)
Thanks in advance for your help

[round field]

you answered ur own question

bis list a thing for 2010

[candid timber]

If a ring drop, if I don't put BIS so officers know, I will not have it, but if it's only a up and not a BIS, it doesn't work

I would like to know the optimal gear, without regarding of the actual state of my character

[normal pilot]

there is no such thing

your officers are stupid and wasting your time asking for "bis" so just put bis for tier set, forge, weapon

w/e ring has mastery

[round field]

Just press bis on any upgrade

[normal pilot]

asking raiders for bis is lack of understanding of how gearing wow works

[dry cave]

!sims

[open flare]

Just keep a running database of the DPS upgrades for any item at any time and include that

Simple as

[candid timber]

We are 20 people in a raid, we are playing for a medium MM clean, they want to give stuff to people who will actually keep it on the long run, and not throw it 2 days after it drops

[hollow mist]

cute new pfp hope you have a good day sweetheart

[normal pilot]

there's no way to know that for half the items

tier sets you can reasonably be sure, weapons and some of the good trinkets

some random armor piece is just w/e

[candid timber]

There is a best theoretical stuff byu definition, is it findable somewhere or not ? That's my question, if not, then thanks for helping

[normal pilot]

no by definition there is no guarantee to be a single theoretical best

there could be multiple items that are within the margin of error

just pick w/e has mastery and no haste for the random non-tier pieces

[dry compass]

i love haste being dogshit for keeper and almost as good as mastery for EC

[craggy sonnet]

there are multiple sets of rings and necks that sim similarly

[dry compass]

very fun

[craggy sonnet]

but can you be sure to get the momma neck on myth track? dont think so

can you be sure to get the dawnbreaker ring on myth track? dont think so

[dry compass]

this is the only neck worth shit you're guranteed to get on myth track

just kill nexus king nbd

[peak mantle]

is this a new opener voor us druids ?

[dry compass]

yes, only if you have 4-set

[peak mantle]

is this also on dreamgrove?

[dry compass]

yes

[west temple]

assuming there is a huge pull, like first pull priory, or packs after first boss in priory, how many do you wanna moonfire before you start your burst?

[dry compass]

all

[peak mantle]

are the pots in the first incarn?

[dry compass]

but be careful of threat while your tank is gathering

[dry compass]

pot lasts 30s it will cover both incarns

[west temple]

so if there is 25 targets do i spend 13 globals to dot them up?

[dry compass]

mostly?

if there's little shitter adds that die super fast in the pack you can conditionally skip them

rule of thumb is if a target is going to live ~6 seconds or more once you start casting starfires, it should be moonfired before you start doing so

so like, first pull ara kara if you don't dot a couple of the skitterlings or flyers its probably not the end of the world

but if you're not dotting the big spiders or casters you're griefing

[west temple]

aight ty

[cursive tusk]

i generally do 2-5 globals on moonfire on big pulls and start as fast as i can with starfires, the loss in dmg from a few mobs in neglegible

[drifting nova]

[minor swift]

how true is this? Coz that would explain why I’m pumping in M+ but not raid lol, I’ve got 20% mastery and 33% haste

[cursive tusk]

check talents, happend to me last season

[dry compass]

run a stat weight sim in the exact same gear in both talent builds

it will show haste being completely worthless in keeper but valuable in EC

[minor swift]

Good lord man

I’m really wanting to improve my parses in raid but the lockout is getting me down

Feel like it’s not good enough for heroic yet

[drifting nova]

the what now

become greatness

[tardy hare]

dawn is so broken its not even funny anymore

literally unplayable

[drifting nova]

na it's fine, they'l fix the bugs by the time the season starts

[tardy hare]

oh! nice!

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-time-watch-waiting-field-gif-27450899

flying in general is just giga bugged

was in df, is still now

anything that has to interact with it follows along

[minor swift]

This isn’t mine just to clarify for the group

I don’t think

[drifting nova]

dont be silly

is me 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

very

[drifting nova]

simple, just play ec in raid

like a true god

[dry compass]

kekkers is a greyparse legend

unironically though if your stats are that fucked you might be better off playing EC

[drifting nova]

not my fault I was undergeared (it was)

so low the lowest rung on the ilvl filtering was still 20ilvls too high

[round field]

ur probably not pumping because ur bad

[delicate perch]

Stats are the problem

[digital berry]

Five to six billion dps

God whoever they hired to write these announcements is a dunce

[drowsy zenith]

for upgrading is therre like reccomended items i should be putting my crests into in order or is it always best to just sim it?

[delicate perch]

It’s not too hard to figure that one out

[royal zenith]

spend runed on HC items, gilded on Mythic items

the rest sim it

[digital berry]

Myth track items > hero track items. Weapons/trinkets> everything else

As a basic rule of thumb

[drowsy zenith]

dont spend gilded on hero?

[royal zenith]

only if very unique item aka

[drowsy zenith]

ive just been sitting on max for a bit

[royal zenith]

very good trinket

one that you won't replace till mythic version (late into the raid)

[drowsy zenith]

okay yeah all ive maxed so far is hero araz

[royal zenith]

weapon is also debatable

I have kris heroic for example and that might be worth upgrading

[drowsy zenith]

i just crafted forrr weap

[royal zenith]

cause frac is 6th

[digital berry]

Putting 30 gilded Into araz only gives me 25k dps in sims

[drowsy zenith]

idk if my guild will get that farrr in mythic

[royal zenith]

yeah trinkets are good value

all the other items hardly, cause you get a mythic item in vault in a few days (if lucky)

[drowsy zenith]

idk why when i upgraded mine my damage went up a good amount on charts comparred to waht sim said

[drowsy zenith]

are rings good value at all?

if bis ring

[lofty depot]

generally no

same thing with upgrade belt/wrist/boots/cape

upgrading weapon and tier slots is generally preferred

[royal zenith]

rings prob the last thing you upgrade honestly

[urban crescent]

4set bugging on absorbs fixed? pin is gone?

[digital berry]

Yeah

[drowsy zenith]

ah okay got it ty

[urban crescent]

lets go

[royal zenith]

ye fixed

[lyric thicket]

After 60 key as tank i was allowed to play boomie 🥰 but i really wanna cry about EC 4p … Îm feeling like fire mage with SKB…

[royal zenith]

assuming you meant to say WITHOUT SKB?

cause SKB is 10x more exciting

[lyric thicket]

6s combust is a bit frustrating for me haha

[drifting nova]

I dont get plater, make it stop

[digital berry]

?

[lyric thicket]

All those6 stack lost because tank looking MDT during key xD

[lofty depot]

the 4p is no where near combust

[drifting nova]

the thingybob only appears for ranged

not melee

[royal zenith]

ah you meant pre-QOL SKB

[drifting nova]

skibidi...?

[lyric thicket]

We can lost the buff because of tank making a break between pull

[drifting nova]

is dimensius flying going to get put in atall

or is it just never happening

[fast finch]

Double checking, basically we want to avoid haste in all our gear (except tier ofc),

and wouldn't this affect our DMG in m+?

[digital berry]

For st haste is dogshit; for m+ it’s very good

[drifting nova]

haste feels good tho

[fast finch]

Damn it!!! So I should prioritize raid gear then or there is a "middle ground" for not swapping a lot of gear between raid and m+

At this point just let us play EC in raid

[drifting nova]

you can

I do

🙂

[lofty depot]

no

dont be cringe

[royal zenith]

it's very very bad in raid

Ive played it on soulbinder

biggest mistake

[drifting nova]

..is that the add one?

[royal zenith]

ye

[drifting nova]

with the prisons

[royal zenith]

with the cannisters

[fast finch]

It's cringier to play without haste in raid

[drifting nova]

dont the adds just instadie

[lofty depot]

its not

[royal zenith]

it will never feel/be good to cast 2sec starfires all the time

if you actually believe that, you're coping hard

[drifting nova]

it will if adds dont die instantly

[lofty depot]

wrath is still faster than starfire with haste in ec

[drifting nova]

dont be a tree lover

[fast finch]

Or you guys playing kotg in m+ too? (With low haste gear)

[lofty depot]

i have necks and rings i swap out

its called gear swaps

[royal zenith]

swap to EC in M+ ye

tried KOTG but it was a bit awkward to play around

but can be enjoyable if you like prio dam

[fast finch]

My luck is fucked, I haven't got anything from m+

[drifting nova]

split hero, what year is it

[lofty depot]

well, go grind some more

[thorny quiver]

Question for the group:

What is the most effective Radibots SIM settings for M+?

Boomy of course

[thorny quiver]

Is the 5t40s still a reliable aoe sim?

[round field]

no

[drifting nova]

was it ever?

[thorny quiver]

Last season it worked quite well

[round field]

wrong

[drifting nova]

didnt play last season but I'm still siding with being bait

[normal pilot]

5t40s was never reliable for blaance druid ever

[thorny quiver]

I think it would depend on the skill level of the player. For someone like me who only pushed 3100, it helped me improve my overall DPS

[lofty depot]

gj logical kekkers

[normal pilot]

it had nothing to do with the sim, you just got better

5t40s gives no useful results

[lofty depot]

i actively only simmed 1t5m and was at 3200 last season. sims dont change ur ability to push

[digital berry]

Sims are just a way to gather information, what information does a 5t40s sim provide

[jolly delta]

think of coming back
open balance
people still sim 5t40s

[thorny quiver]

I found 5t40s valuable for short burst aoe trash pulls

[lofty depot]

fuggn million fotm rerollers didnt know how to play the spec and were doing 16/17/18s late in the season

[normal pilot]

it doesn't give you info about short burst aoe trash pull

you're assigning it value where it doesn't exist

meanwhile you've been palying the game and jsut getting better at it

[digital berry]

What does this even mean tho

What value does it provide

What are you simming

[loud kettle]

m+ is easy, just use the 1 button rotation

[jaunty blaze]

so real

[exotic perch]

why use many buttons when 1 button do trick

[thorny quiver]

Here is my logic for it (wrong or right, im unsure)

Most of the dunegons were pulled in large pulls, with lots of AOE dps, meaning it died quickly (40s or less). If I could build my playstyle around that generalization it would maximize my dps

And again, could be total iggnorance on my part

[normal pilot]

there's no reason to expect that the default APL is appropriate for short pulls like that

[digital berry]

How does the sim assist you in that

[royal zenith]

be the change

[exotic perch]

yea well that only works if you sim for no buffs and such for those

[lofty depot]

u can read the apl/prio list and build ur playstyle around that generalization

[normal pilot]

even with no buffs there are CDs, etc.

[loud kettle]

well also you have cds every time

[lofty depot]

thats quite literally the point

[jolly delta]

wym I wrote the compendium FAQ

what else can I do

[royal zenith]

get us buffed

[normal pilot]

generally APLs are not tested against short term situations like that

[royal zenith]

get clout

[thorny quiver]

This is something I do not know how to do

[royal zenith]

!

[digital berry]

Fix it, there’s some spelling mistakes

[jolly delta]

Old Deux wouldn't approve of violence

[royal zenith]

yeah Im done

4 years of torture

having to play a dragon

[lofty depot]

its shrimple, just read

[royal zenith]

people simming 5 targets for 40 seconds

[normal pilot]

unless you're writing & testing your own apl there's no value in micro duration sims

[royal zenith]

it's joever

[round field]

3.2 and push in the same sentence

[royal zenith]

also the problem in the logic is that 1 sim is not enough to decide

[normal pilot]

well he just wanted to test a specific scenario

that's fine, what's wrong is assuming the default settings would allow that

[lofty depot]

he said 3100 and i went farther while doing essentially nothing.... my healer moved out of his house and we stopped doing m+ 😭

[exotic perch]

whats wrong with 3.2 and push

not like doing m+ is that hard

[lofty depot]

its like 4 15s or something

14s/15s

[thorny quiver]

All joking aside: I'm just looking to make improvements. I was a resto main who swapped balance to better suit the needs of my M+ friend group. I know very little about the spec. Any legit help is very much appreciated

[lofty depot]

read the guide >

[thorny quiver]

Will definitely do that. Was specifically looking for more information regarding SIMC use

[normal pilot]

i imagine it's not that much dfif from resto, logging will be the best way to improve

[lofty depot]

simming m+ is very imperfect. There a lot of problems and nothing hits everything

[normal pilot]

for sim you either sim for single target, because that's where balance is the worst, but that's where keys lose the most time

or you use MDT Sim weak aura if you wanan tryharder

[thorny quiver]

I didnt even know there was a MDT Sim WA

so thats helpful!

[lofty depot]

and the apl isnt made specifically for mdt, and ull start to see problems with cd usage

[royal zenith]

be aware that it will maximize your overall, so also pick talents that will work well with trash pulls (not efficient talents per se)

[normal pilot]

but generally simming quickly hits diminishing returns for m+

[royal zenith]

the MDT sim that is