balance

[unique dirge]

Ah I see dreamgrove has a writeup!

[deft bough]

fury of elune on cd i believe

[dapper wing]

Don't save fury

Your 4 set is just completely passive

it happens when it happens

Your legit just playing how we played last season

[plucky wadi]

guys can we close this discord like paladins did so we get buffed?

[unique dirge]

Okay so there's no strats for trying to maximize?

[unique dirge]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[dapper wing]

I mean you can always optimize shit, but for basic keys

just kinda ignore it

Also if that's the tab in the dreamgrove for rotation it just tells you to use Foe if it's about to expire

[lofty depot]

probably find a new trinket

[deft bough]

well i want antenna xD but thats a long shot

[dapper wing]

The passives from dungeons aren't bad either

[lofty depot]

go farm dawnbreaker

or eco

or use mugjug

[dapper wing]

Parapodia is good in M+
Crystal is good

[delicate perch]

is crystal good though

is it really

[dapper wing]

So'leah's is good from taza

yeah

[delicate perch]

a 704 losing to a 684 doesn't sound good

[dapper wing]

If your talking about mugjug

[lofty depot]

yes

[dapper wing]

mugjug is just disgusting for KOTG

[lofty depot]

like all the trinkets besides ante

[delicate perch]

sounds stinky to me

[dapper wing]

That's like saying the s2 trinkets were shit because Spymasters was so good

[delicate perch]

they were though

[dapper wing]

Yeah, but not everyone has access to mythic spymasters

[delicate perch]

ante so cracked

[dapper wing]

Heroic crystal is infinitely farmable.

[delicate perch]

might get a weakaura to track 3+ stacks for the dopamine

[delicate perch]

sounds like a them issue though

simply obtain it

[dapper wing]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Just go farm a mythic trinket from last tier

Go find a group to do LOU

[frank grotto]

mugjug sims higher than parapodia for me but kinda of a sidegrade

like 0.01%

[lofty depot]

lol was about to pull and typing

i almost missed prepull timer

[frank grotto]

when it procs on the first wraths prepulling tho 🥵

[digital berry]

You pulling loom?

[delicate perch]

loom was pre fun

[digital berry]

Damn you’re gonna kill it before me my ego is shattered

[delicate perch]

[digital berry]

I wish my group was better at blowing up the walls

[delicate perch]

me too (I barely touched them)

[digital berry]

I stopped switching to them towards the end yesterday and we were still killing them

[delicate perch]

kill pull was so cursed though

[digital berry]

But having to use 4 gcds on them is just not the vibe

[lofty depot]

i send buffed surges into the far orb

on pull, me nice guy

[delicate perch]

ya I just dot and help far one

on pull there is only one target I do not see orbs 👨‍🦯

[lofty depot]

well by the time ur 2nd buffed surges are ready

the orb is out

so i send those

[delicate perch]

[digital berry]

That’s like the one set that is least important

Still got lust on

They implode

Not sure how this dude has so much dps on them

[clever carbon]

in raids, after the burst with 2 CA, should I wait for convoke + treant + CA cds to use them?

[lofty depot]

yes u still stack all ur cds with convoke

u still do the same sequence as well

[clever carbon]

and should i wait the trinket? that delays me ~30 secs

[dry compass]

wait until both tangles are out, push ascendance, jump to 20m dps

acendance applies flameshock and flings like 4 lava bursts at all 3 targets

then overloads + ancestors

[nova ocean]

cant wait for the new talents we get in midnight to desync our cds even more or something cringe

[normal pilot]

smh thinking druids will even get new talents

[nova ocean]

they said we do

[delicate perch]

"new"

[nova ocean]

the hero talents kinda have to be

[delicate perch]

can not wait for elunes pulsar talent LOGIN

[nova ocean]

im actually expecting that ngl

[craggy sonnet]

ok well actually .. harranir coming could have them spark some new life into druid

[nova ocean]

hopefully they finally rework incarn/ca like they said they would

[delicate perch]

I hope they get a decent racial becaue I'm 100% ditching nelf

login forest troll

[craggy sonnet]

also "they said" what when?

i cant recall them ever saying anything about druid

in the past year

[delicate perch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spend-10-more-points-across-three-trees-and-new-talents-in-midnight-378287?utm_source=discord-webhook

[craggy sonnet]

oh wth

[delicate perch]

(obviously can change) but ya

[craggy sonnet]

they said it like now

bruh

[delicate perch]

[nova ocean]

ya lol

[craggy sonnet]

been watching a show

[delicate perch]

catch up it's been like 14 minutes

[iron chasm]

Wait there’s a new expansion

[nova ocean]

like the class tree points are kinda useless we take pretty much everything we need already

[delicate perch]

it's called legion I'm very excited and I hope there isn't terrible rng and a massive grind for player power

[craggy sonnet]

i've heard it releases midnight?

[nova ocean]

through it in the barkskin shield thing that does almost nothing or another utility node i guess

[craggy sonnet]

thats pretty soon

and when did they say they would rework ca?

pre df or what

[lofty depot]

"new good" talents

"enhance" abilities

[craggy sonnet]

still, i guess some copium might be justified with harranir coming and them being very close to druids in fantasy

[lofty depot]

that sounds a lot like spawning a dryad and enhacning my surges

[craggy sonnet]

could make them spend like 2 more hours on looking at druid

so like double than previously

[normal pilot]

haranir means they don't need to look at druid

you already get a new race ppl are going to eat it up

everyone happily forking over $20 or w/e race change costs

[delicate perch]

buy the 3 pack to change other classes to new race too

[sweet vigil]

yayyyy another expac with kotg and ec im soooo happy

[craggy sonnet]

well

that wowhead picture is just some stupid mockup they did themselves i think

[lofty depot]

not dwarf so dont care

"unless it has some cool defensive"

OR BLINK

SURELY IT AHS LIKE FLY AROUND DASH EVOKER SHIT

[craggy sonnet]

for sure

makes sense

also dimensius seems to be more of a boss than initially anticipated, hey?

[dense steeple]

arctic

is plexus shield still grief

[unique dirge]

God I really hate this 4set for elune's chosen

it just feels bad

[lofty depot]

no

but i aint sending cds on it

😛

[craggy sonnet]

wth

why not

[lofty depot]

CUZ IM DOUBL CAING AT THE END BITCH

[craggy sonnet]

ok

but you are sending into 2nd shield

so dont say you arent

[lofty depot]

u know i dont know the fukcing timing

i believe i sent it at like 50%

is smol line

compared

basically not on shield 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

this is definitely on shield

its natural timing

unless you guys are killing shield in like 15s

[lofty depot]

idk

[craggy sonnet]

i can tell

[dry compass]

you'd think after 10 years of doing druid first and serving up half-baked bullshit they would've learned to revisit that process but I'm not holding my breath

[craggy sonnet]

but does this new concept work on druid? its this weird class with 4 specs and all roles

lets try it first

[dry compass]

you would've thought with the way specs are siloed they would've abandoned that practice by now

[solemn jolt]

4p keeper rotation feels super awkward

does tracking it make it better

[lofty depot]

well if ur tracking trees its essentially the same hting

u send ca with 2s left on trees

but if u had a weakaura pack that was good (like oiblanace) it has it

[craggy sonnet]

this oiblanace pack, im hearing a lot of good things about

[lofty depot]

it do be linked in the compendium

just noticed they got rid of control

well actually

it could be the other node

[craggy sonnet]

this is not an official whatever thing

[lofty depot]

....

[craggy sonnet]

im pretty sure

[lofty depot]

nono, its official

[craggy sonnet]

its part of the press kit or what?

[normal pilot]

it's prolly w/e they used when the hero trees were announced for tww beta

there is no kit

it's just some offhand remark by a dev during interview

[craggy sonnet]

thats what i thought

if anything we'll see more on saturday

[lofty depot]

that doesnt sound like something they would do

[normal pilot]

they do that shit all the time

[lofty depot]

[normal pilot]

especially some non-english interview

just bury it

now every spec can complain their apex talents are shittier than other specs

[craggy sonnet]

do we even have one duh

[lofty depot]

u would be wrong

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/hero-talents

unless its liek the alphaaaaaaaaaaaaaa version

[loud kettle]

yea the original image

had more talent panels

[lofty depot]

sick

[loud kettle]

well i dont remember anything for hero talent

[lofty depot]

idk i googled and saw the date on it

maybe i go look at tettles youtube

ok real, picture old

surelyyyyyyyyyyy control is gone

middle node is the same picutre

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo its liek the beta version of this shit

im tilted

[normal pilot]

smh baited again

and a tettles video is once again in the middle of it

[lofty depot]

[azure sand]

why is spec so ass?

[mighty mica]

source?

[craggy sonnet]

Btw, did you look at that healer trinket to actually implement it or how did you encounter the pre fight shenanigans

[lofty depot]

play better

[dense steeple]

damn we had a 0% wipe on plexus unforch

[normal pilot]

it's just in the spell data

they forgot a ton of flags

blizz dosn't actually have any sort of a reasonable CI/code review process

tons of shit slip thru that can be caught automated

[craggy sonnet]

Man, this has gotta be the stupidest graph to look at for us.. hey, did you happen to crit all of your surges?

[craggy sonnet]

Love that for them

[normal pilot]

tbf it prolly costs too much to make one now

wow is like COBOL of games

[craggy sonnet]

But you did look at it, so are we getting it?

[normal pilot]

oh ya it's implemented if you wanna mess with the apl

well not the cheating part

[craggy sonnet]

Me no want the cheating part

How does it work tho?

Like how can I trigger it / check if it's available

[lofty depot]

???

its boss dam and max

get good

[craggy sonnet]

Just crit bro

[lofty depot]

correct

[craggy sonnet]

Look at 95, I dare you

[normal pilot]

is boss dam like US ranking

[glossy jungle]

US, 3 day a week only

[craggy sonnet]

For the apl I meant if that wasn't clear

[fading perch]

im sure this has been answered but cant find it so is 2 set better than 4 set from last season? decent ilvl upgrades on those items too

[craggy sonnet]

Yes

[normal pilot]

you just need to check for the buff name of w/e the debuff is called

then cast regrowth

[craggy sonnet]

Ok, cool!

Thank you

[lofty depot]

if US wins rwf does that mean US ranking is just better than eu

[errant flint]

Im crying in double on use trinkets

that is all

[kind sage]

i must expend all gildeds now or await for myth track?

[lofty depot]

if u use gilded, it should be on maybe a hero araz trinket, myth weapon, myth tier pieces

if ur upgrading hero items with gilded, ur generally doing it wrong

[delicate perch]

I'm downgrading gilded to uprgade vet track gear

[digital berry]

Well I was talking about the Balance druid but thanks for the breakdown

[azure sand]

Why does the cooldown waifu just stand there doing nothing sometimes? Is it a visual bug or is she actually doing nothing?

[normal pilot]

the dryad only casts 5 surges max

if you have a lot of haste it'll just cast thru it then do nothing

[azure sand]

ok makes sense

[normal pilot]

set is just stupid like that

[oblique shard]

I have a question about the 4-piece Tier Set.

I never cast starsurge here, but it says the buff fell off in 1.5 seconds. And I don't see any damage on my log for it. I'm not sure how to find it in the logs as it doesn't seem to be consistent

[lofty depot]

post the log

that surge at the bottom consumes 1 of it

[oblique shard]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hWGgf4cXBk2dpzw1?fight=34&type=damage-done&source=76&view=events&sourcebuffs=1236807

this part here also shows me still having the buff after my second starsurge cast

[normal pilot]

that's not casts, that's damage

you're looking at the wrong thing

look at the cast tab

[lofty depot]

looks fine to me

[oblique shard]

what view is this?

[lofty depot]

buffs

then select dryads favor

[oblique shard]

ok cool cool

but when i look at my logs, it doesn't show it under starsurge, where it does in other logs

on this log, for example: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:Z4AXyQVnHrMp2zmJ?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=145

[lofty depot]

show what\

[gentle scaffold]

Helm and neck from heroic prog cause "He plays the chicken"

[lofty depot]

neither of those picutres are buffs

[oblique shard]

so under the second log, it shows dryad's favor damage under starsurge, under mine it does not

[lofty depot]

dryad's favor damage is the splash

[oblique shard]

right but... in theory, if we confirmed that i had the buff, why isn't it showing up on mine

[lofty depot]

because u didnt splash anything

[oblique shard]

ah ok ok, that makes sense.

So, is there any way to see the additional damage done to an enemy based on the buff alone, or is it just all collected in starsurge. I basically want to see how I am doing on optimizing it

[lofty depot]

without going to each set of surges and adding htem up no

[digital berry]

You see how you’re doing by making sure you do the rotation properly

[lofty depot]

maybe wowanalyzer will do it eventually

[normal pilot]

hm can you even not reach the cap

[digital berry]

Numbers will not tell you any useful info

[normal pilot]

unless you fuck up a lot

[lofty depot]

but its really not something to worry about

[lofty depot]

if u send it improperly maybe

[digital berry]

If you cast both surges inside the correct window, you’ve done all you can

[lofty depot]

like a ca without trees or convoke

[normal pilot]

yeah set is so incredibly dumb

[digital berry]

I don’t mind it, it’s something more then we usually get when it comes to interactivity

[loud kettle]

just crit both surges

[lofty depot]

yea at least its something different

than specifically just a passive dam inc

[digital berry]

Its not just one more buff during ca

[lofty depot]

we actually play around it

[digital berry]

It makes fight timers interactive, there’s an ounce of skill expression in guesstimating fight length and shit

Idk it’s something

[urban crescent]

Thank you!

[wet solstice]

What do I do to sim aoe? Raidbots says dungeon slice isn't a thing.

[urban crescent]

Do i need to ca before my first dryad ends or does it not matter as long as i ca before i send my 2 dryad surges

[lofty depot]

1t5m and dont care or learn how to mdt

[digital berry]

Simming aoe is a very flawed science unfortunately

[lofty depot]

if done right u ca as it despawns/2s left on tree

[digital berry]

It doesn’t really matter as long as you’re not losing a ton of time on the first dryad

[urban crescent]

Okay thanks

[digital berry]

So like if you ca at 3 secones on trees and 1 second on dryad what are you effectively losing on? A ca trees buffed wrath? Woohoo

At least you’re ensuring you don’t fuck yourself over with the right timing after dryad ends

[oblique shard]

ah, ty 🙂 i figured out what i was doing wrong

[urban crescent]

Does my 2nd ca kill the dryad early or does it still take the full 10 seconds

[digital berry]

It gets replaced

So you get the buff

[lofty depot]

yes but that doesnt matter cuz he only casts 1 starfall and 5 surges

[digital berry]

And the new dryad

[lofty depot]

its likely standing there doing nothing

[urban crescent]

Oh i forgot the dryad casts spells itself

Im assuming by 9 seconds or so its finished casting

[digital berry]

Probably finished by 6

[lucid olive]

Dryad cast time scales with haste

It always casts 5 surge and 1 Starfall

[digital berry]

What’s the gcd with 0 haste

[lucid olive]

The Surge is 2s cast time hasted

[digital berry]

Oh

Does it always start off with starfall or smth

Or is it random

[lucid olive]

Starfall on spawn

[digital berry]

So with 0 haste it’s done casting surges at 10 seconds ?

[lucid olive]

Should be yeah

[digital berry]

Does the % on the character page reflect the exact cd reduction?

If you have 10% haste does that make the 2 seconds 1.8?

[lucid olive]

No clue

[digital berry]

https://tenor.com/view/beluga-the-cat-hakosh1307-hakosh-beluga-cat-hug-gif-22532913

[frank grotto]

CA surge surge treants convoke (if cosmos proc 2 surges + 1 wrath else 1 surge + 2 wraths) CA surge surge

do that and it wont go wrong

u can probably fit in another gcd but i wouldnt bother with it

[void valley]

New to the server! Just wanted to pop in and say that I've been really trying to learn/optimize boomkin in raid since people say it's shit all the time and I've been having so much fun with it. Hit 13m dps on my opener against Soul Hunters and it felt like the work was paying off. I don't expect a response, just happy and enjoying this class 🙂

[digital berry]

Cosmos is a dps loss afaik

[lofty depot]

-0.3

but maybe i want it

[digital berry]

Ehh it’s not as exciting as it sounds tbh

[fiery veldt]

wat do u mean 2 seconds left? am i playing wrong

[west wren]

stupid question , how do i know i have 12 resil, i have all 12s now done, but i dont seee a quest, or anything to get 12 resil like season 2

[lofty depot]

at the minimum u want 2s left on trees to send ur 2 buffed surges

[rocky scarab]

Okay, someone needs to explain to me this 4 set

[lofty depot]

read the guide?

[rocky scarab]

becuase it is absoulty shit, is there a special way to make sure I get stacks

[lofty depot]

cast starfire while not capped

get lucky

[rocky scarab]

seems like such shit got my last 12 and just gapped by other dps

I hope they buff the chances of procs

cuase it is ugly

[digital berry]

We are just not that amazing in m+ this season

You will get gapped

Unforch

[lofty depot]

i aint getting gapped

[digital berry]

You’re playin with Mickey Mouse Disney adults

[lofty depot]

clecia gaming

boomkin is fineeeeeeeeeeeee

[rocky scarab]

I seem to do better in raids now seems like keep works better than Elune with the 4 set

[lofty depot]

keeper do be better

[rocky scarab]

but it is not really viable in keys right?

atlesat in 12 or up

[digital berry]

It’d perfectly viable

What do you mean by getting gapped

[lyric thicket]

Kotg very low in key 🙁 but you can pump massiv in EC

[digital berry]

Was this right after a double ca or smth

[lofty depot]

idk

thats the kill

[rocky scarab]

It may ahve just been this dungeon and I underperformed but felt like I could not get stacks to save my life in this ara kara

and my damage really showed not getting lots of stacks

[digital berry]

There is kinda like no reason to look at stacks

Its rng

You will get a stack every 4 starfires on average

[rocky scarab]

guess it was just a bad key tonight got my resil hopefully get my 3k then chill

[digital berry]

Show log

[lyric thicket]

Guy do you live this moment when you kill boss 2 s before the dryad fade ….

And wanna flip the table

[digital berry]

Skill issue

@lofty depot can relate, I can’t

[lofty depot]

yea

giga cringe

[lyric thicket]

Killtime issue yeah

This set is boring for this

[lofty depot]

nah predicting / estimating kill time fun

[digital berry]

Pushing your luck for a double set

Or sending

Holding for amps is honestly the most cringe shit

[lyric thicket]

We were progressing myth yesterday so I just send on cd or atrib moment

[digital berry]

You have lorrgs to kinda guesstimate kill times in prog

No reason to send on cd

[lyric thicket]

Lorrgs have lofnor variability at the moment

[digital berry]

Well unless you’re in a good guild it’s safe to assume your group will be on the higher end of the spectrum

[lyric thicket]

See we kill first boss yesterday with a aproxykilltime of 6:30

We kill at 7:30 cause a mate Die early but we gâte all other alive

I got a timing where I can double ÇA on 3th shield and heal a lot et make it quicker

[frank grotto]

my dopamine demands cosmos procs

[digital berry]

Cosmos procs are a nuisance more often then not

Forces you to stay at a lower asp just in case you get one right before eclipse ends and you don’t wanna cap while re entering

[river galleon]

Hi! Do you guys think that's good idea to play wep+trink and control ur mana pool to be under 25% by casting regrowth?

[pale swan]

huh

[lofty depot]

no

we gain mana too fast

[sweet adder]

starsurges proc from Elune's tier set proc Stellar Amp and Power of Goldrimm.... has anyone tried playing those over maybe Boat in m+

[flat rapids]

Hello boomies! Who could to reccomend nameplates configuration for tracking which adds are under my dots and which not?

[sweet adder]

get plater and add script to change color of adds without moonfire dot

[flat rapids]

could you say where i could take this script?

not very good in prepare scripts by myself

[sweet adder]

i DM it to you

[lofty depot]

see the problem is that its not suppose to proc goldrinn

[sweet adder]

what if we dont tell anyone

[lofty depot]

yea surely

they said they fixed it

[dry compass]

The mages hatelurking Dreamgrove already ratted you out

You ruined it for everyone

[jaunty blaze]

[sweet adder]

i just did it on the dummies

[lofty depot]

thats not what i meant

its not supposed to do it

they said they fixed it

they didnt fix it

they will eventually

[sweet adder]

does that mean it wont proc the stellar amp too

[lofty depot]

who knows

stellar amp comes from surge

[sweet adder]

sigh

[livid jay]

no rework for us with midnight boys

they're coping theyr new talent points will fix it

[ruby flicker]

when ur trinket luck is so bad is the highest simming 1 u have

[covert coyote]

the moon comes out at midnight

[jaunty blaze]

😭

Surely they cant leave the spec like this

[warm briar]

We aren’t warlocks or mages so no luck

[cold gyro]

time to shut down the discord to get some buffs /s

[livid jay]

have u seen rets??

fcking cnts

[jaunty blaze]

Yeah idk our ret is near the top aswell

[cold gyro]

and I'm here crunching logs to see what I'm doing wrong, when akshtually the class is just doodoo

[jaunty blaze]

Please send buffs after the race

I cant do it anymore

[livid jay]

i mean if your parse is good youre not doing much wrong unless everyone is

[harsh jungle]

Prayge for buffs

[jaunty blaze]

Didnt realize devoker is so low on overall dmg

Still double of us

[wet cloud]

This two trinkets is like a hellish trap that I cannot escape. Only Ritual forge/antenna are my saviors.

Does soul fetters just not sim correctly? because I swear I can't see others using it to the extent I have.

[jaunty blaze]

I mean soul fetters is basically a ritual forge lite version

[dapper wing]

It's less int but it doesn't decay

and moxie jug is just less antenna

[wet cloud]

yeah

[jaunty blaze]

As for mugzee trinket the passive trinkets you can farm mostly suck ass

[wet cloud]

I knew I was doing the right thing but, damn does it feel bad.

[jaunty blaze]

It is what it is

[wet cloud]

it lines up with convoke windows so I take my dirt and eat it

[plain fiber]

First day of patch i got araz in timewalking chest and antenna in lfr

Havent thought a second about trinkets

[wet cloud]

get soul fetters

changes your life

[cold gyro]

isn't it pretty much the same as Araz?

[jaunty blaze]

Yes but pretty sure it was meant as a joke

[wet cloud]

this

[cold gyro]

ohh right

Any idea if the voidcore set is taken in consideration while simming? the staff + trinket combo

[jaunty blaze]

You can but it wont be better than other options longterm

Especially for st with new 4pc the staff with high haste isnt very desirable

[plain fiber]

Isnt the set bis but with the one hand + crafted off hand

[jaunty blaze]

You will have to sim it but antenna and araz likely are better

[plain fiber]

Ye thats true

One hand still good tho but dont care about set

[junior thicket]

does someone have a auto queue and accept weakaura?

[ruby flicker]

678 osf vs 694s. Its like shadowlands all over again, farming world quests rares and missions for divine bell

[clever ibex]

So craft dagger + offhand vs staff?

[cold gyro]

if nothing has changed since the guide has been written, dagger + OH ascension is better than staff

[uneven ravine]

704 dagger Makes Not much DMG. But it Makes DMG.

[jaunty blaze]

If you cant get myth track dagger you are better off with 2hand craft for now

Or see if you can get first boss myth weapon

[uneven ravine]

or are lucky in m+ vault with a 707 one hand, or

[clever ibex]

Wat

[uneven ravine]

wat wat? 0.9% is not much i would say.

[glass geode]

Void dagger + craft OH ascension works best so far, I did some simming other day. Void glass dagger mythic does highest 90k more than any other mythic MH, it’s same as staff but you get more out of OH craft with Ascension combos too so that’s the ideal path for boomkin i would say

[jaunty blaze]

It depends how long it will take you to get it

2 hand craft is way more crest efficient

[glass geode]

Personally, right now i m using mythic weapon + craft OH + craft wrists

[jaunty blaze]

Thats fine if you got one sure

For me the mace from first boss plus oh craft would have gained me 20k dps

But for 75 crests invested

[glass geode]

Raid staff is ideal alternative until you get that dagger or Mythic MH imo

[jaunty blaze]

Its not very ideal stat wise

But always sim it ofc

[obsidian jetty]

staff is going to other classes

[undone flint]

So i managed to get a myth track 2H from vault. Now thinking of what to craft and what embellishments as i cant do darkmoon ascension / armour banding combo. ( I havent crafted yet this season)

Is the play just to get 2x Duskthread Lining ?

[jaunty blaze]

Likely

Dawnthread could be more dps but personally i like duskthread more

[floral ocean]

Anyone prefer EC for M+ in the 10-12 bracket?

I run with a Dev Evoker and Frost DK and everything dies before I can get going lol

[royal zenith]

wdym prefer

you basically always play EC in M+

do you mean KOTG?

[floral ocean]

yeah

[royal zenith]

haven't tried/tested it

the prio damage needs to actually be like convincing

for it to be good in keys

[floral ocean]

i like kotg's playstyle more but it's just hard to get things going when my friends are destroying the big pulls

[royal zenith]

ye

[floral ocean]

frost dk and devoker are like, here you can clean up the murlocks that run

lol

[trim cradle]

Hi everyone, I have a quick question apropro dotting up.
I feel, no I am sure, that a lot of my casted spells dont go out. When checking the game acknowledges that I pressed the button ( like myudots, or Fury of Elune, or such ) I see the button light up on screen but the spell doesnt go out. Even when i'm not on CD/GCD. Is anyone else having this issue because it slows down my gameplay enormously..

[frozen solar]

Hey guys during prog would you recommend a hard casted regrowth vs bear form (and mb frenzied) when a mechanic is coming and you don’t have barkskin or regrowth proc?

[obsidian jetty]

I only play kotg in every 10-13 I've done. I did like 4 EC keys out of 80ish

[swift crater]

bear form for me, I don't have regrowth on my bars

[obsidian jetty]

kotg is fine, doesn't do alot less, but gotta use more brain than starfire spammer EC

[royal zenith]

I will play it next few keys

EC is so doggie doo doo

lots of hate for that hero talent

[wispy parrot]

is it real that my versa is simming me so high or is smt wrong?

[royal zenith]

could be yeah, if you're simming KOTG

[wispy parrot]

simming CE m+

[swift crater]

yeah im getting super weird (what feels weird) gem combo recommendations in KOTG

[royal zenith]

define high

or share sim

[obsidian jetty]

gems are all within margin of error

so won't matter what combo you pick

[swift crater]

Really?

Cause i get top tier recommendations of like throwing saphires in all over the place, where I've just been throwing in Mastery + haste for what feels like the entire expac 😄

[wispy parrot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sR8QXwbuMf9nP1DemjdBn9

[obsidian jetty]

I've been rocking this

[wispy parrot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jKty6pgpB9erUGz8YSPbRj

these are my stat weights for what i usually sim

[lucid olive]

Don't sim stat weights

[royal zenith]

[unreal turtle]

Very very quick question. Did my first raid as boomy yesterday. And trying to learn a spec whilst learning the raid bosses is a bit of a mad one. But I noticed on cleave fights for keeper of the grove do we still basically just single target one boss then starfall when multiple adds or bosses are active? Think this is soul binder mainly.

Then for the 3boss encounter do we swap to elunes chosen?

Sorry extremely new boomy here just could do with a chat hahaba

[royal zenith]

I made the mistake of going EC last night on soulbinder

so dumb

[wispy parrot]

my problem is that everything with versa in it sims higher and sometimes i just dont believe it fe: it sims 700 vers from s2 crafter gear higher then 660 int on wrists

[royal zenith]

700 vers is not a lot

but you need to share the sim

cause there's more factors to take into account

[wispy parrot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xA9Gx3Zpy3GXgxJUstga6J

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ghdHX2YZsN17iRgnu1UFX

st and aoe

[obsidian jetty]

the stats on a 701 wrist and embel socket wrist are very close, and thus, it's within margin of error between the two

[maiden pasture]

Fuck this shit ring

[royal zenith]

just unequip

shrimple

[obsidian jetty]

yea I need to go farm out a priory ring now

[royal zenith]

yep

that will be my goal for next few days, get 2 rings from m+

been unlucky with drops...

[drifting nova]

nexus king goat boss of raid

[maiden pasture]

real

someone in my guild didnt roc at all

lol

[drifting nova]

no mistake, just bliss

[remote saffron]

I just want to share my frustration with this new druid set.
The first simulation is with 2p2p 704, the second is with 4p 706.

🙁

Actually, it’s the other way around — the DPS gain is almost irrelevant.

[obsidian jetty]

old 2p is pgood in aoe yea

[drifting nova]

hot take

old tier should be disabled

just like legacy tier bonuses are

[royal zenith]

well usually it just gets nerfed if really small dif

turning it off kinda iffy cause you just lose 20% damage on a new tier

[drifting nova]

this 4p v 2p2p is dumb and should just disabled the old tier

[royal zenith]

and makes balancing impossible

[drifting nova]

tier is inherently temporary power

and should end with the tier

plus if I get another non tier piece drop and it's +60g

I'm going to lose it

[remote saffron]

It’s really bad design when you collect all the pieces of your set and don’t feel any sense of power gain

[drifting nova]

still not sure the catalyst is...good idk

forcing 4p so early on purely because it's always a damage upgrade

feels bad

[royal zenith]

that's not design

that's tuning

cause you definitely feel the power of the tierset once you get 4pc for KOTG

it's just tuned low so the actual output is mid

[delicate perch]

Ur playing boomkin you aren’t gaining damage regardless

[rotund grove]

Bump, cause I'm also wondering 😄

[lyric thicket]

Do we have 5 m sim boomie here ?

[jaunty blaze]

No only 4.98 😭

[scarlet tapir]

you need to shut the hell up punk

what is dak playing

huntar

?

[obsidian jetty]

both boomy

lock in

[scarlet tapir]

thats a yikes

imagine u 2 were playing actual real specs

guild would go up 100 wrs

[obsidian jetty]

the world wouldn't be able to handle me and dak on other classes

[scarlet tapir]

it handled fluup so you guys can do it too

[obsidian jetty]

the world (my mental)

[mighty mica]

ew

[lyric thicket]

i got 4.81 .. with 707 ilvl

[obsidian jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wQe5zh7BsPD3f2MZGEkJ6
I can prlly get closer but too lazy to sit through a 10m sim to swap around other stuff

that's if I swap off movespeed gem, go tauren, and spend my last 15 myth crests zzzzz

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/773DvY8qeNvbNPQnUEez7B

😭

[obsidian jetty]

maybe if you didn't craft for f***l....

[jaunty blaze]

Omg f word

[gilded wolf]

[lyric thicket]

You got weapon and chest.. I got a full ring chest this weak

I craft OH cause we are in MM fast but boomie isnt on priority attrib

Bad décision gfrom me

[royal zenith]

jastor diamond fake anyway

!!

[jaunty blaze]

Fake diamond???

[obsidian jetty]

for me I just cared about dmg this week rather than in the future. Staff would just help prog more than me gambling on getting a 1h

[lyric thicket]

Yes I know right but i make a risky gamble move …

[maiden pasture]

how much increase is tauren

[obsidian jetty]

was like 30-50k when I last checked, idk

[maiden pasture]

jesus

how do u sim races again

[delicate perch]

Insane gains to look like shit

[obsidian jetty]

change the race=night_elf to race=tauren

[crystal mortar]

With EC 4 piece do I still starfall at 2+ targets?

nvm I answered my own question ignore me

[lofty depot]

GJ

[hexed valley]

On Soulbinder you really only want to start AoE when the Big Add phase starts, outside of that just dump surges cause adds dont live Long enough for you to Profit.

On soulhunters just do m+ Rotation

The raid in General is very Bad for boomy cause you cant really do much damage to all the Spawning adds cause you dont have instant burst aoe as they die too quick

[lofty depot]

Fuck the adds, boss dam >

[open harbor]

Why does this fckn Jastor sims so well? wanna replace that but everything is at least -0,2%

[lofty depot]

-0.2 is margin

[hexed valley]

If only our ST was better man 😂

[lofty depot]

Feel free to replace it

[hexed valley]

Boomys in a Rough place outside of m+ i swear

[lofty depot]

Looks fine

[pallid bay]

[silver plinth]

"looks fine"

[hexed valley]

What Boss?

[lofty depot]

Fractilly

[hexed valley]

Boomy is Garbage in raid

Fractilly is a Training dummy man

[lofty depot]

Yea

So what

[hexed valley]

Well Bad for us I guess

[hexed valley]

Cant compete with Eles and locks and basically every other spec

[lofty depot]

Just play better

[craggy sonnet]

man arctic stop coping

[hexed valley]

Oh dont get me wrong I do my Orange logs

But still

[craggy sonnet]

posting stupid graphs

[hexed valley]

Boomy is garbage in raid

[lofty depot]

L mindset

[hexed valley]

Nah man

Facts

[glossy stream]

Does any 1 know, if there is an add-on or rotation where you can put in the rotation per fight.
I am struggling a bit with the new tieset rotation and want to make it visible for myself.

can it be done in MRT or similar?

[royal zenith]

really need to stop posting normal logs @lofty depot

actively working against us

smh

[lofty depot]

That's mythic dork

Rise up

[craggy sonnet]

mythic btw

[maiden pasture]

You can set up reminders but I would personally advice understanding why you press buttons rather than just what buttons to press

[dusty gale]

short question: do we drop 4p old for 2+2 ?

[lofty depot]

Well the 2nd one is

[maiden pasture]

Most likely yes, but sim your guy

[dusty gale]

ty 🙂

[lofty depot]

Best is to just practice on a dummy

[royal zenith]

drugs

[lofty depot]

And read the guide while doing so

[royal zenith]

2nd one is boss damage

very useful on forgeweaver

[lofty depot]

Wait that's a fake miike

[royal zenith]

[glossy stream]

I understand why i need to press when i need to press so to say, i just have an hard time rememebring.
the old rotation is so stuck in my head 🤣

[maiden pasture]

Then hit a dummy to build up muscle memory

[lofty depot]

That's a muscle memory thing

[maiden pasture]

And think about your casts while doing it rather than auto pilot

[craggy sonnet]

max is just also stupid to look at

[lofty depot]

Which means u need reps

[royal zenith]

imagine having 10 spec above you in the boss damage

[lofty depot]

Nope, lock in. Do better

[royal zenith]

and you're even shittier on aoe

[maiden pasture]

No cleave is moonkins niche!

[royal zenith]

JuSt LoG In GuYs

[lofty depot]

Nop fuck that niche

[reef ridge]

What’s y’all’s opinion on the word boomkin?

[lofty depot]

Cleave is cringe

[craggy sonnet]

i mean, idc. but no reason to deny reality

[silver plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-od-copium-overdose-overdose-twitch-gif-9006779378751968406

[maiden pasture]

I mean arctic telling people to play better is a classic

[royal zenith]

but then again

[maiden pasture]

But the class is just abysmal right now that's all

[royal zenith]

he's a mage

so yeah

[silver plinth]

like every season, after RWF, buffs around 5-10%, ggs, everyone happy

[lofty depot]

No I'm not

Mage deadge

[royal zenith]

sussy

5-10% is not enough

[silver plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[lofty depot]

I don't play arcane and frost took a nerf before patch so I stayed bamkin

[glossy stream]

Ok will do @lofty depot @maiden pasture i will try to practice my old brain 😉

[maiden pasture]

It shouldn't take too long, the new rotation is only a thing in CDs

[lofty depot]

Guys it's ok, tomorrow we'll see the new hero talents showcased with druid first cuz they love us so much

[surreal sorrel]

Yeah sure

[glossy stream]

The 1 thing i cant fully understand.
You do CA, tree convoke starsurge etc into CA again.
I cant get my head to that why we do that.
Is it to avoid the first Dryad's Favor after first CA?

[digital berry]

Its to give the starsurges boat

[lofty depot]

1. We do CA surge surge tree convoke
2. U get boat on ur buffed surges

[digital berry]

Balance of all things

They have run the sims and its a dps gain to do it like this, the robot surely doesn’t lie

[lofty depot]

Which is explained in the guide

[fathom nebula]

Would going for Stellar amp and Power of Goldrinn in Elunes Chosen/M+ give us solid funnel?
And does the tier bonus work with Hail of Stars?

[lofty depot]

That's not funnel

[fathom nebula]

yeh its not funnel

why did i think that

but would it work with the talents?

[craggy sonnet]

i mean, sure .. but for goldrinn its a proc on a proc

not like you'll see 10 goldrinns flying

on a prio mob

[lofty depot]

Well ur getting those procs for free already

When ur not supposed to

And ur not spamming surges in AOE anyway

[quick tulip]

Hi guys, on priory, first boss, its better to starfall ou starsurge?

[lofty depot]

And generally u lose to.much to take those talents in overall

[lofty depot]

Starfall, they share hp

[craggy sonnet]

idk if these "bugs" are implemented in simc

[quick tulip]

Ty

[fathom nebula]

Yeh now im stuck on "wth do i remove for power of goldrinn"

[lofty depot]

Well u dont

[craggy sonnet]

can you just run a quick sim on like 5targets with goldrinn and stellar amp?

should at least tell you if these are implemented

and if they are

you can just sim talent combinations

see how it affects prio dmg in aoe / boss dmg

at the very least could be interesting on soul hunters for example

[lofty depot]

The only thing u can drop is the crit talent or inspiration

[scarlet tapir]

Its ok balance will be so back in midnight with 10 more talents

(they cant even balance the ones they currently have)

[lofty depot]

I get more talents to take in class tree that do nothing

Very poggers

[slender island]

what? no they dont 🙂

[lofty depot]

Yes they do

[maiden pasture]

They don't share HP but they share damage taken

[craggy sonnet]

well, technically they dont share hp since they have diff health total

yea

[fathom nebula]

The proc rate is shit for Goldrinn

[craggy sonnet]

you dont say

[fathom nebula]

for some reason

Or i cant trust target dummies

[craggy sonnet]

idk what you think the proc rate for goldrinn is

[fathom nebula]

I had 30% in my head

[craggy sonnet]

but you get maybe one surge every 4 starfires

so how many goldrinns you think that is

[fathom nebula]

its 40% proc?

thats a bit over every other starfire

and i was curious if 4 set would also trigger shit

But me doing it on dummies showed a 10% proc rate for starsurge

A situation of not trusting target dummies i guess

[craggy sonnet]

4 set does not trigger anything

[fathom nebula]

Just gonna test it out in a key i guess

[craggy sonnet]

did you fire up the sim btw?

[fathom nebula]

Im working in between so no

[astral forum]

On a different discord someone wrote that Keeper of the Grove is anti-haste …. Can someone explain to me like I’m five?

[royal zenith]

yea

[leaden birch]

dryads go brr

but big brr not fast brr

[royal zenith]

you do 70% of your damage in small windows of about 10 to 20 seconds

[leaden birch]

so crit

[royal zenith]

and overlap a few cd's + trinkets + potions

[leaden birch]

you're explaining it like he's 8

[royal zenith]

so you need all the damage you can get without relying on casting too much

yw !!

[pallid bay]

haste just dosnt do a whole lot for your cd window where you do your most damage

[scarlet tapir]

But how does it do for feral

Isnt it it mostly the same damage profile

[astral forum]

So stack higher crit will do better for my cold down window?

[lofty depot]

I go brr, dryad does piss

[royal zenith]

mastery/crit/vers yum

but

sim it

[leaden birch]

sry u right

dryad does piss, but their favor goes brr

[astral forum]

And I guess for Elunes Chosen that loves haste?

[leaden birch]

correct

[lofty depot]

Starfire slow, need haste

[astral forum]

Thank you 👌

[leaden birch]

starfire go brr

I'm trying out double passive trink, sac + azchirrachaichan and I dunno how I feel about it

in m+

[lofty depot]

Starfire more go "b r r"

[lofty depot]

Probably beans

Damage procs usually shit

[swift crater]

Hearing Jstors ring might be broken?

In not a good way?

[lofty depot]

Like the 5th person that has said it's bugged but never saying how so idk. Mine doesn't sim higher than the rings i have so no clue

[maiden pasture]

I swapped to feral and my droptimiser showed the only increase for me being pacemaker

Stats seems fairly similar for both specs

[scarlet tapir]

Have u seen how much feral gains with pi @maiden pasture

Thats what I mean

Unless energy regen is tied to haste or something

Been to long since I've played it

[pallid bay]

it just dosnt proc or procs on precast and is removed when fight starts

or procs first time end of fight

seems boomkin exclusive maybe

[lofty depot]

That's a banger

[royal zenith]

seen logs of mages also being affected

[royal zenith]

so dunno

stinky ring

[maiden pasture]

Ye I had similar

[swift crater]

Yeah RL asking we replace before next raid night

seems tons of folks with no uptime or it being super broken/janked

[pallid bay]

yeah i mean if another ring is dps neutral just replace it

more stamina, same dps

[royal zenith]

I know for classes like ele shaman jastor for some reason sims really high, just because of stats

[pallid bay]

well if it bugs its more dps to use another ring

[royal zenith]

stamina pog

[swift crater]

I mean topgear still throwing it out for me as better than stuff but think ill swop out

[maiden pasture]

Topgear doesn't take into account the bug

Just take some sidegrade loss even

[swift crater]

I just wanted to check if anyone heard of anything as the 'source' on this was a guy who is super suss best of times

[maiden pasture]

It's worth it over this shitty bug

[swift crater]

Cool thanks 👍

[cloud plover]

people yapping about some bug meanwhile i will simply pretend its not bugged and keep using it

[royal zenith]

yeah but you're also clinically insane

[cloud plover]

im not that insane..

[royal zenith]

Ive heard the stories

something something bowl

dont kid yourself

[cloud plover]

what stories about a bowl

[royal zenith]

who knows..

[lofty depot]

Can puppies be diagnosed as insane, hmm

[royal zenith]

(rabies)

[cloud plover]

Rawr xD

[cloud plover]

but what stories wtf

i dont think anything i did with a bowl is "insane"

[low sigil]

mine doesn't seem to be bugged

is it only for certain fights?

[pallid bay]

i doubt it has anything to do with what fight

and i dont think anyone will investigate but just swap ring instead

[low sigil]

im gonna replace it asap. been farming m+ but no luck yet

[drifting nova]

10more talents for midnight

holy

[lofty depot]

"apex talent node, 4 points, each point should feel really impactful"

Can't wait til they're not impactful

[scarlet tapir]

First announced apex talent: ravenous frenzy

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[lofty depot]

Ud get this tiers 4p before u get rave back

Ain't no way

[scarlet tapir]

Its 100% gonna be this tier tier sets

[lofty depot]

They're gonna split it up, 1/4 is the storage at 5x int, 2/4 is the splash, 3/4 is it always crits, 4/4 is 10x int

Impact

[digital berry]

Well.. that’s the thing. It sometimes bugs, and doesn’t work. Not worth the hassle of rng

[spark kite]

Am I simulating gear correctly? It seems like 2pc and 4pc tier sets are not giving as much DPS increase as I'd expect https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/soVpvPUDFKnxJbVFBUeQ9h

[digital berry]

What do you believe is wrong about that

8% is not good ?

[spark kite]

I saw on the compendium it was approx. 7% and 18% increase, sims show 2.5% and 8% so that seems like a large difference

[lofty depot]

Wait til he finds out about the stat diffy

[lofty depot]

That's from 0

[digital berry]

We also do not want haste for kotg this season

So you might be low on crit and vers

[spark kite]

😮

[lofty depot]

So we're just not gemming things

[spark kite]

me brain smoof 🧠 , I forgot about the socket item

[digital berry]

Cursed mastery is also sus

[lofty depot]

U also only have 1 socket on ur ring and neck, and u can have 2

So yea, have fun simming all of that 🙂

[craggy sonnet]

actually tho .. cursed crit big?

didnt even consider

[digital berry]

Wdym didn’t you just sim it

[lofty depot]

It simmed close for me

But I didn't want to lose more haste

[spark kite]

thank you for all the advice I will add sockets, and yes I should sim gems and enchants. I am guilty of blindly following the guide on wowhead for enchants/gems

[digital berry]

If you wanna follow any guide, follow compendium in pins

Anytime I try and play any other class I’m peeved they don’t have a website specifically dedicated to a class guide

Wowhead and icy veins irk me

[lofty depot]

Play mage, they have one 🙂

[digital berry]

Locks too with kalamazi ‘s website

[jaunty blaze]

Thats so real actually

Dreamgrove guide spoils

[lofty depot]

Krona sat 🙁 o7 feral dream

[digital berry]

What feral dream

[jaunty blaze]

Oh no

Anyway

[digital berry]

The dream that they are removed ?

[lofty depot]

He played like all prog

[digital berry]

Whoever the person who posts the “updates” on raider.io is, I got beef with the way they report things

[drifting nova]

never encountered sports have we

[digital berry]

Nope

[drifting nova]

atleast for football it's awfully close to stt (the opposite of tts) from commentators

it cant be that bad

[digital berry]

The updates are jsut so badly written

And like they sound like they would maybe be more hype during a live stream spoken or yelled, but it’s written so it just falls flat

[drifting nova]

yeah it's information above all

theres a reason everything tonal falls flat in text

[lofty depot]

Echo deep p3 👀

[digital berry]

P3 is insane holy

[drifting nova]

mhm the highlights dont seem too bad, few that are abit..why but

overall

[lofty depot]

Rip 50% ish

[digital berry]

Every time I read “let’s go!” Or “Nice !” Or the abuse of exclamation points

Its jarring

New pb for echo I guess

But like all the little planets were popped there

And they were at 50%

Like…

[lofty depot]

Need boomkin

[digital berry]

Double ca into amp

[naive siren]

hello. just read the wowhead raid tips.
at forgeweaver when I bank a 4pc proc in intermission and keep it for damage amp- when do I cast FoN in the dmg amp. right with CA so the banked surges get buffed, or still 2 globals into CA? and would I cast surges the first 2 globals or wrath to further keep the banked proc?

[digital berry]

What? People do that?

Isn’t it better to just hold convoke for intermission to have it up for amo phase ?

[naive siren]

I don't know. just read it. myself has 0 setpieces yet

you don't use convoke in intermission, only ca

[lofty depot]

U could naked CA and get full cap. Then CA trees surge surge concoke

Yea

[naive siren]

During the intermission, sit near the middle and cleave all 3 adds with Starfall. Pressing 1 charge of Celestial Alignment without Convoke the Spirits is good here in order to bank your 4 set procs going into the damage amp.

so here the 2nd empowered surges would not benefit from trees but start of ca is higher payoff, right?

[lofty depot]

It's the same payoff

With the first buffed aurges

But u might get 4 buffed surges in amp

[naive siren]

would crit more likely?

[lofty depot]

Instead do 2

Why would u crit more

U do the double CA in amp

[digital berry]

And then your group doesn’t kill the adds fast enough and you loose the dryad buff

[naive siren]

can't if I use a ca before, don't I?

[lofty depot]

If u hold 2m

[digital berry]

That’s what hes saying

Either way you are getting 2 surges with boat on amp

Its all about whether it’s more dps to send naked ca + starfall into intermission or send double ca on amp

If the adds take 20 seconds to die you fuck yourself over tho

[naive siren]

ok so for ease of use i just play normal also with the dmg amp

I don't play much and have zero set pieces, but this are the interactions I like 🙂

[lofty depot]

Too many variables in that working

[digital berry]

I didn’t even consider that fall would hit all 3

[lofty depot]

Rather just hold and guarantee the double

[digital berry]

New pad unlocked

[silk acorn]

When we closing discord?

Do I sim the discord?

[lofty depot]

Why we closing

[leaden birch]

so we can get some moonwell love

fuck the sunwell

[silk acorn]

guess

[digital berry]

I feel like they are going to have to move lust to p3

No way in hell they can kill before third devour otherwise

[safe kite]

Whenever I get my 99 log outdpsed by a warlock hitting their 60s I just go wewa wowah I just need to improve.

[leaden birch]

i suggest you all do the same

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[lofty depot]

Not 100, so still room to improve

[safe kite]

That room usually being getting another crit at this point.

[digital berry]

Comparison is the death of joy

Have fun, kill bosses, rinse and repeat

[lofty depot]

Lock ain't beating me

Lock in

He got 4 ilvls on me

I have so much more in the tank

he's not locked

[silk acorn]

gz week 1 with random guild you beat warlock on 1st boss, doesn't really mean we're not undertuned

[safe kite]

I do value that more, fucking hate the tier sets this tier though so then it just becomes a numbers game.

[digital berry]

Babes nobody is saying we’re not

[safe kite]

That DK though, holy shit man is PERFORMING.

[digital berry]

This tier is legit the first tier in forever where our tier set is actually interact able with

And not just some boring ass extra buff

[silk acorn]

How did Souldbinder go for you?

[silk acorn]

Oh agree, I love KotG tierset

[safe kite]

I just hate how there is absolutely nothing you can do to interact with the fact that sometimes it just won't crit and you're in the dumpster.

[lofty depot]

I trolled cuz that fight is cringe

Where's ur mythic logs

Loom'ithar better for mental

[craggy sonnet]

is ec 4p removed start of dungeon?

[safe kite]

I mean even if it isn't what tank would you trust to get things into order in thos 8 seconds you would have left before you shoot it?

[silk acorn]

Idk doing orange logs and still barely out-doing gray log warlocks. orange logs warlock would out-dps you by 2-3m no?

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[silk acorn]

?

Explain

[digital berry]

In what universe are you barely doing more damage with a orange purse against grey purse, warlock

[barren carbon]

If you have 4pc that's not the rotation

[lofty depot]

Wrong sequence

[silk acorn]

like

[lofty depot]

U can play better

Read the fuide

[silk acorn]

lol

ok xD

[lofty depot]

CA surge surge trees convoke

[silk acorn]

ik

[lofty depot]

Clearly u dont

[silk acorn]

relavant af

100% what we're talking about

[digital berry]

Well, you are making shit up

[silk acorn]

? wym?