balance

[glass geode]

i pulled 90's parse in raid, but struggling dps in m+ felt odd

i m playing elune build in m+ while KOTG in raid

https://raider.io/characters/eu/draenor/Chronou if anyone care to DM and provide feedbacks, whatnot. I m open ears

[harsh jungle]

At what point is it worth swapping out our belt?

[rotund sparrow]

When your personal raidbots sim tells you so

[wicked shuttle]

3:00

[dire osprey]

ty

[drifting nova]

number go up

[spare fjord]

does anyone has a raidplan bank ?

[drifting nova]

a hwat

[spare fjord]

Raidplan for the first 3 MM boss, I'm working on them rn but I'm trying to find some exemple 🙂

[royal zenith]

join the RLE discord for that

they have FAQ's / plans for first bosses

[spare fjord]

Thx

[drifting nova]

english?

[royal zenith]

Raid Leader Exchange discord

🙂

[drifting nova]

that too but raidplan

and exchange? B A N

[royal zenith]

ban deez

[keen rover]

Thanks I'll take a look !

[lucid olive]

No, you should overthink everything

[drifting nova]

idk how people are parsing

all out of ideas and I've got none

[covert talon]

Reason we playing with Soul of the forest & Crashing star intead of touch the cosmos & hail of stars? when the later ones sims higher? (ST with cleave)

[keen rover]

Thanks, I will

[lucid olive]

Playing well

[obsidian jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f61MfGV75KmaZMDzaa9gaz

[floral radish]

New druid, former Paladin main for years. I have a doubt if anyone can clear it up. I'm comfortable with m+ rotation and doing well, but on raids Im still following Hekili religiously and doing poorly. On WoWanalyser it tells me Im doing everything right, all green, minus some really minor hiccups.
But I've noticed that the website mentions Wrath as a filler on single target, but Hekili gets me to spam Starfire even if it's just one target.

TLDR: Raid spec, one target, Keeper of the grove. Wrath as filler or Starfire?

[jaunty blaze]

Wrath in solar eclipse

Starfire only to get into solar eclipse

[jaunty talon]

Any good wa, addon to help me know what the soothe in m+? ❤️

[floral radish]

hmm will need to ignore Hekili then. I had a suspicion it could be that. Its asking me for Starifre even in solar eclipse for no reason. :\ thanks

[drifting nova]

[obsidian jetty]

You'd probably be better of with one button rotation than listening to that

[dire lake]

Red target - Press soothe. Stonks

[obsidian jetty]

but just read the compendium and learn it through there

[jaunty talon]

Are they always red ?

[jaunty blaze]

No

[jaunty talon]

I use to be able to tell with my player profile but don’t think it’s there no more

[dire lake]

The only places I use soothe in is HoA and EDA so idk

[jaunty talon]

Plater*

[dire lake]

But in HoA they're REALLY visible

[jaunty talon]

Yes it was eda, and tank was getting slapped

[jaunty blaze]

Jundies plater profile usually indicates it pretty good

[drifting nova]

not interrupting the dog buff smh

[dire lake]

Its the first packs than enrage in EDA no? I dont know if the later parts have enrages

[jaunty blaze]

Its just the scavengers i think

Dont think there is much else this season

Hoa was mentioned

You can soothe the tactician in dawnbreaker

[uncut roost]

The pirates in gambit as well.

[jaunty blaze]

Arrrr

[royal zenith]

In plater you can use the 'Buff special' tab to track soothes if you'd like

I have dots/debuffs left of plater and then soothes on the right as an example

so I know specifically which mobs I can soothe

it's silly to rely on "oh hey this monster is big and red"

[chrome torrent]

As demon hunter you don’t have to soothe

Just sayin

Better class

[formal marsh]

thoughts on pressing starfall on loomithar mythic?

[royal zenith]

?

for what reason

[formal marsh]

dps

[royal zenith]

what type of dps

[formal marsh]

more than less

[pallid bay]

Low dps

[royal zenith]

I would include machine learning at least

[formal marsh]

I was using it on loomithar but dont remember when its good

pressed it 8 times think it did marginally more damage than using that same AP on starsurges?

[lone turret]

maybe you set hekili on multi target?

[obsidian jetty]

Should be more dmg on 3 tar if dotted, but in terms of prog probably worse. The dmg on the orbs matters more than the cleave on boss

[weary siren]

hey guys, i crafted myself the 720 staff, got a lot of golden crests to "spare" now, is it a really bad idea to upgrade heroic track pieces to 6/6 `?

because i would waste 15 golden crests per slot when i get an mythic item from vault

[formal marsh]

I just pressed it when I felt like most of the starfall duration would cleave on all 3 even without all dots up

[weary siren]

im not a progressive raider, mainly m+ pugging so a high itlvl is good to get into grps

[formal marsh]

unless im reading logs wrong (i dont read really ever read logs) it net me ~8mil increased damage

[robust oracle]

should i just craft a 2 hand weapon or 2 singular pieces? my guild is going towards mythic today, so i could get a very good one hand in the next few weeks, but i currently only have 701 weapon

[crude void]

Anyone know what does fully empowered starsurge can deal with 4set? Couldn't test yet as I don't have 4 piece

[devout solar]

high end 35m-40m atm for me

[obsidian jetty]

depends on your gear, the cap scales with your intellect

but yea ppl are hitting anywhere from 30-50m without dmg amp

less if you don't have araz trinket

[crude void]

I am 707,2 ilvl currently with 124k intellect

but this rough estimate is nice to know

[formal marsh]

imma just keep pressing starfall on loomithar

[winged wasp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4bjyNTJpvJE4q62V7DLoCT
Hey, when I see you sim, I find it very high damn. But compare to my stuff , I do not understand how there is 400k dif, Sure the trinket that i got seems to sims poorly ( and still good and use in raid btw) Any idea ?

[quiet drift]

If I just pressed Starfall...

[round oracle]

unluk

[vital hound]

trinkets are worse
you are missing an embellishment
ring stinks

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-hi-hiii-aigis-persona-3-reload-persona-3-gif-12118784945197414386

[pseudo merlin]

You mean intended way to play the game that you and everyone else will have to abide by in Midnight onwards

😔

[royal zenith]

you will prob get a debuff tracker anyway

[pseudo merlin]

🤞

[royal zenith]

u so negatief!!

[pseudo merlin]

😔

[obsidian jetty]

bruh how. We killed it first pull in last phase 💀

[quiet drift]

If I speak

I am in trouble

[vale pebble]

🐒

🐬

[winged wasp]

Thanks for the feedback , Yeah i Know the ring need to be changed, but it's 50K dif at best and the trinket maybe from Araz is 100K dif also
I still do not understand why parapodia is considered worse than sol but everyone play it ( S+ tier from wowhead, 20% + use on warcraftlogs)

[vital hound]

wowhead guide stinky

[quiet drift]

accessibility

[vital hound]

people on wclogs using because they arent given other shit

also dont look at recruitie sims he's a hacker

[quiet drift]

Youre million times more likely to get parapodia over an Antenna

Hence why "bis lists" arent that good

[obsidian jetty]

stats right now are all over the place because we are going into stat DR on everything, and haste is generally worse with our tier set on ST

[quiet drift]

You just go with what you get

or can get

[royal zenith]

it's probably even simpler

you can farm parap

from m+

so naturally a fuckton of people have it / use it

[obsidian jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wJnZtSSmwLpDoKDeeymSmP

[royal zenith]

even though like 80% of people had antenna in vault

Ive seen so many...

[winged wasp]

not me 😄

[royal zenith]

unfortunate

[obsidian jetty]

I didn't get it on purpose. I wanted to wait until I kill araz for the 714 vault first 😎

[winged wasp]

Thanks gonna look at that

[royal zenith]

I need the forge

80k uppy

(heroic)

gief

[obsidian jetty]

I might even wait to loot antenna from vault until I kill dimensius so it will be 717iL. Gotta save my crests.

[quiet drift]

Real

The powerspike on first reclear gonna hit different

[obsidian jetty]

actually, only gotta wait til nexus-king. Then I can loot it

[quiet drift]

(kicked from guild)

Just loot like 10 sockets

and wait for Nexus king

[obsidian jetty]

first reclear (reprog with another guild at 1/8m)

[quiet drift]

Money moves

[quiet drift]

🤑

[round oracle]

does compendium not have a section for how to play dryad

only explains it

[round field]

It does

[round oracle]

somehow missed the openers

ty

[obsidian jetty]

did you do LFR already?

[silk yew]

Just feels bad using ca w/O tree's

The second one ofc

[spark inlet]

I did my first ever normal raid yesterday, a pug. Took a long time to get to 7/8 but when 8/8 hit man no one was listening. We wiped like 20 something times. Saw p2 twice.

Probably wont hit the clear but it was real fun.

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-fun-white-cat-dance-cool-and-fun-times-gif-15078139155535862541

[obsidian jetty]

feels good to me. I like seeing big surge numby

the thing that sucks is having 0 ap for movement and getting punished hard for doing movement surge during CDs

having to learn new habbit of dot spammer

[frank grotto]

is EC a bait on M Soulbinder

[round field]

Yes

[frank grotto]

adds died too fast

I got fucked

[round field]

Ec turbo bait

[obsidian jetty]

I think it's ok, but it is forsure inflated by pad

[round field]

Will also get worse with time

[obsidian jetty]

but there is a few logs of ppl doing ok boss dam as well

[frank grotto]

i couldnt pad at all

[quiet drift]

If ur team cant kill adds go EC

If they die in 4globals just go Keeper

[digital berry]

Adds don’t die THAT fast unless you have 15 people saving cds for them to pad, but yeah kotg and just do boss dmg is probably the play

[lucid olive]

This could be visually better but limited by the timeline tech on the website gg

[strong bronze]

Adds did die in 10 seconds

[crystal ginkgo]

wtf is this new set elune gameplay in m+? it is impossible to stack and use cd with that stacks

[quiet drift]

That kinda is the entire boss fight

Just better classes get to do dmg

[strong bronze]

Would keeper play be to go lunar eclipse when adds spawn and have treants moonfire them?

[digital berry]

Oh yeah btw the cd planner has some things that need to be changed. When I was using it, it gave me a warning that I should be using trees before ca

[round field]

Just play it the same as last season

Dont need to think about it at all

[obsidian jetty]

outside of the buff about to fall off while you're dotting, you just ignore it and play normally

[lucid olive]

yeah the warnings you can largely ignore i think

[craggy sonnet]

Really don't like how they nerfed the set btw.. reducing proc chance was a bad decision for consistency

[lucid olive]

they're more there for debugging reasons

[crystal ginkgo]

if you ignore it there is no reason to wear 4p

[digital berry]

What

Ignoring it doesn’t negate the dmg it gives

[cloud lion]

What is this that jastor is not working?

[royal zenith]

I ahve not

yobbing

[cloud lion]

Critcake wrote it and we checked logs from last night i had 0 procs

[pallid bay]

critcake taking credit..

[quiet drift]

Passive damage increase

[pallid bay]

its joever

[quiet drift]

Is still a dmg increase

[obsidian jetty]

yea it's buggy. Dono if it's the same bug from before, but it works sometimes, doesn't work sometimes 🤷‍♂️

[cloud lion]

Well i have seen picture in guild discord that he wrote

No idea who fpund out

[crystal ginkgo]

what damage increase there is if you don't have gathering moonlight stacks

[quiet drift]

?

You press FoE

like 4 times

per pack

[obsidian jetty]

sune/Oi asked a few hours ago why ring is simming good, then we looked at logs and sim and noticed it was being weird

no idea who critcake is tho

[quiet drift]

Just cuz you dont have 6 moonlight on first CDs doesnt mean the 4pc is useless

[vale pebble]

if u ignore the fact that u equipped 2k haste there is no reason to upgrade ur gear

true?

[pallid bay]

a theory is that it procs on prepull and is then removed when fight starts and dosnt proc again for a long time

could be something else as well

[quiet drift]

a game theory

[pallid bay]

im theorizing..

[vale pebble]

is it not log bagged

has anyone fact checked with a bo

vod

[pallid bay]

yeah recruitie

[vale pebble]

logs is funny like that with prepull

chills

[obsidian jetty]

yea I checked like 1m on same log it bugged on

and had 0 procs on my buffs

[vale pebble]

[pallid bay]

what was it that he wrote

[vale pebble]

jastor mafia back at it again

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/aaasdadasdadada-gif-9110106249522303753

Just put the m+ in the bag

[pallid bay]

wowpay2win.com

[digital berry]

So what you’re saying is that I need to stop wearing the 684 ring ?

[pallid bay]

we're not saying anything

[cloud lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1350905475083796612/1408043996059795589/image.png?ex=68a84ea8&is=68a6fd28&hm=b5c316d92144f5156511a7873c236ef1edb8a42fd2c858464c13885e39c8b5e2&

Been hearing

[vale pebble]

shit ring

[cloud lion]

Well if sim difference is 5k u can replace it for more hp

[royal zenith]

equipping my haste/vers rign right now

ring

[livid jay]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nTwJYv1RcqQkyr4M?fight=31&type=auras&source=26&ability=1214823

[royal zenith]

I will not stand by this jastor thing

[vale pebble]

chills

[livid jay]

did proc for me

or is that sth new as of this reset?

[pallid bay]

skibidi

[cloud lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/842366120086601799/1408055240120336518/image.png?ex=68a85921&is=68a707a1&hm=acf552381fa122e1d5510ab6a2ad41626155306577877286404157d6bd3204b2&

[obsidian jetty]

it does proc, just bugs out

[cloud lion]

Blacksheep in guild

[obsidian jetty]

sometimes it will just not proc, reason unclear

[cloud lion]

It proced 0%

[pallid bay]

[obsidian jetty]

I have no idea what the old bug was last season with it, if it's the same bug or not

I didn't have the ring when it was bugged before

[digital berry]

This is actually funny af

Get bent

[cloud lion]

Nah im benched

[obsidian jetty]

[digital berry]

Bounce on it, crazy style

[cloud lion]

They feed me with loot and im on bench

[vale pebble]

[digital berry]

I got benched on soulbinder cause I was in on loom for 2 vault but we didn’t kill loom and I can’t raid today extra

[round field]

rip

[vale pebble]

🐒

[obsidian jetty]

nice 2 vault ig

[cloud lion]

I can pug mythic

[royal zenith]

that's zero vault

[digital berry]

Yeah 2 vault heroic

[cloud lion]

Or need to be same guild

[royal zenith]

1 kill

[vale pebble]

he din get it bru

[cloud lion]

Friend guild killed 1st and 3rd boss got 6 antenas in vaults

[vale pebble]

@digital berry shrimply make ur own guild

and then u will have all the vaults

[leaden birch]

just the bestest warrior nbd

[obsidian jetty]

I know, I was making fun of the idea the guild had...

[vale pebble]

they probably have more than 20 ppl

[digital berry]

Well they want to spread as many 2 myth vault among the roster

I get it

[vale pebble]

and cant give everyone vault

thoughts?

[quiet drift]

This calls for mythic splits

[vale pebble]

[cloud lion]

This season is better cuz early bosses have good loot

[royal zenith]

true

log in

[obsidian jetty]

give first 2 bosses to the guy who can't raid everyday of the week perhaps?

[royal zenith]

more splits

[strong bronze]

Ok i got a non related boomie question

So if you kill 1st and soulbinder

[royal zenith]

not allowed

[vale pebble]

🧑‍🌾

[strong bronze]

Do you unlock the loot for loomithar in vault?

[quiet drift]

Yes you get Loomithar loot in vault

[cloud lion]

I just wrote above u can loot 2nd

[royal zenith]

yes you do

[strong bronze]

Ah k didnt realize

[cloud lion]

Friend guild got 6 antenas killed 1st and 3rd boss

[vale pebble]

[cloud lion]

They change it since council in VOTI

[royal zenith]

📶

[cloud lion]

Cuz people were targeting loot

[strong bronze]

Yeah i wasnt really aware , this is my first season raiding from the beginning

[lucid olive]

bet

[livid jay]

now i gotta farm a ring

[pallid bay]

i will swipe for a ring

[livid jay]

actually

[frozen solar]

Hey guys im wondering why is my dropimizer pushing me so much to vers
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpxR5yAr2sn2eojERjEoy9

[livid jay]

i dont have to farm a ring

both other lootcuncil member are on vacation

[obsidian jetty]

all 3 stats are good

[frozen solar]

is it just convoke = mast/vers/crit

[obsidian jetty]

mast vers crit

[frozen solar]

a ok

its just balancing them then

[royal zenith]

I will only stack mastery/vers from now on and run crit trinkets (procs)

the true M+ build

[obsidian jetty]

should also consider simming the 3 wep enchants, and belt options between mast/vers/crit

[lucid olive]

log in

[quiet drift]

Atenna x Jug

Infinity criticales

[royal zenith]

I have the dimensius one I think

[obsidian jetty]

likely would gain dps doin so @frozen solar

[royal zenith]

gives some flat crit

[frozen solar]

ah thanks ye let me do so

[royal zenith]

it actually wants me to run antenna and the flat crit trinky

I'm already half way there

just need to stack vers now

[lucid olive]

oooooOOoOoo living on a prayer

[royal zenith]

shut up

I hate you

[lucid olive]

you have that song stuck in your head now

you're welcome

[royal zenith]

😠

[obsidian jetty]

I got that on mythic today

[leaden birch]

i appreciated that one

[junior thicket]

what are the most accurate sim options for m+? because dungeon slice not working

patchwerk 1 boss?

[frozen solar]

@obsidian jetty what are the 3 wep enchs?

storm/depth/raid?

radiant*

[lucid olive]

yes

or MDT sim

look FAQ in Compendium (open Compendium, CTRL+F "mdt")

[junior thicket]

thx

[quiet drift]

Guile Tenacity Fury Artistry

[frozen solar]

those thanks

[digital berry]

Wait are these s3 enchants ?

I swear I’ve never heard of those

[obsidian jetty]

s0 enchants

[digital berry]

[leaden birch]

hol up I've been using depths

[lucid olive]

DF enchants

[royal zenith]

don't think that's very uncommon in your case

gottem

[digital berry]

Show logs

[royal zenith]

and then what?

[digital berry]

And then I’ll take you out for dinner

[royal zenith]

I haven't even raided this week

[digital berry]

Whisper sweet words into your ear

[royal zenith]

Im going to be top 40

[royal zenith]

yeah that's horrible

nevermind

[quiet drift]

acquiring goat status

[muted spoke]

For a new boomy, is Elunes Chosen the best way to go and better to play with convoke or not?

[digital berry]

For what content

[muted spoke]

I've got radiant moonlight, m+ and then ST for raid?

[lofty depot]

stop gaining damage

[digital berry]

We tend to play ec in m+ and kotg in raid

[drifting nova]

ec is cool kotg is bad

[muted spoke]

I am doing about 6 mil overall in 10s with 4 set, 720 wep but awful trinkets and other stats

[drifting nova]

dont be a tree hugger

or else

[muted spoke]

okay so keep radiant moonlight instead of convoke?

[digital berry]

This season kotg is not bad

I’m not hating

[obsidian jetty]

I'm even sandbagging. I have movespeed gem and no tauren. adding those is like +55k dps

[livid jay]

yes in keys

[muted spoke]

Thanks

[drifting nova]

idk what radiant moonlight is

[digital berry]

Ec 4 piece

No ?

[livid jay]

no

[digital berry]

No

Lmao

[drifting nova]

[leaden birch]

4p kinda cringe though

[lofty depot]

Well I don't have tauren either

[leaden birch]

stupid dryad

[livid jay]

@muted spoke your EC 4 piece makes radiant moonlight mega

[drifting nova]

damage amp hero talents are poorly designed, kotg is one of them

[livid jay]

cdr on foe

is big

[muted spoke]

okie dokie thats good to know, I want to stack haste until 30% then all in on mastery?

[obsidian jetty]

🤝

[livid jay]

no, who said that?

[formal marsh]

did dakd beat u on loomithar cause he used starfall?

[muted spoke]

nobody! I am not sure what to stack on stats

[drifting nova]

always pad

[livid jay]

you dont stack any stat (u do kinda stack mastery but still)

mastery >> haste > crit / vers for keys BUT DO NOT LOOK AT STAT PRIOS and sim you character instead on raidbots.com

[lucid olive]

i am

fuck the tier set

both of them

[drifting nova]

woah there

idk what they do but woah there

[leaden birch]

i dunno about you guys but sending 2 surges in a 2s window is meh

[pallid bay]

it sucks indeed

[royal zenith]

indeed it sucks

[tame dome]

it's only a 2s window? wtf

[leaden birch]

yessir

[royal zenith]

you can make it 3 seconds

[quiet drift]

Now doing it at 8% haste

[royal zenith]

just pop CA earlier...

do it.......

[quiet drift]

Makes it suck^

[leaden birch]

[royal zenith]

[leaden birch]

i actually have never asked

but if you clip the dryad with your 2nd CA, what happens with the first dryad

[tepid field]

Is there any kind of bug with the Keeper tier set not showing a buff for when the starsurges will be empowered? The damage of my starsurges increases so I think it's actually working but just not a way to track

[leaden birch]

nothing right? no issues?

[quiet drift]

Despawns

and you get the blessing

[lucid olive]

despawns and you get 4pc

[leaden birch]

[lucid olive]

buff is called dryads favor

[tepid field]

Thanks. I'm just not seeing it. And weakaura's that trigger off it don't pop up either

[leaden birch]

grab oi's standalone tier tracker

[lucid olive]

do you have a log

[livid jay]

pls dont tell me theres another bug praesten

[spark inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/log-cabin-log-logged-get-logged-lolol-gif-20978297

[tepid field]

Not atm. I just got it and was hitting a dummy. Away from the computer now. I’ll try the weak aura and come back if I’m still having an issue

[lofty depot]

There's a calculator we were using on ptr, but there's no real reason to use it because the cap is roughly 40mil which u can get there with normal surges

[tardy hare]

How do I use the MDI sim?

Can't find anything on text find

[livid jay]

guys

[lofty depot]

It's mdt

Ctrl + f mdt

[livid jay]

Newest command just dropped (only run it if you trust me, it will not do anything bad, relog after to remove again)
/run if not xalfr then xalfr=CreateFrame("ModelScene", nil, UIParent) xalfr:SetPoint("TOP") xalfr:SetSize(512, 512) xalac = xalfr:CreateActor() xalac:SetModelByFileID(5159886) end xalac:SetAnimation(1138) xalac:SetPosition(2,0,0)

[jaunty blaze]

What it do

[livid jay]

try it and send screenshot 😄

[pallid bay]

bro is 4 weeks late..

[livid jay]

my bad

[quiet drift]

Xalatath feet

[pallid bay]

😭

[jaunty blaze]

Cant im at Work

[royal zenith]

how many globals does it take to reach cap oi

pls I need to know

plis

[quiet drift]

1

[royal zenith]

[quiet drift]

Just crit for gorillion

[royal zenith]

yeah that's true

[quiet drift]

Or

[pallid bay]

gorillion globale..

[quiet drift]

Spawn 20 denizens

and its 0 globals

[leaden birch]

gotta change all my gems zzzz

[lofty depot]

1, convoke. Ezpz

[royal zenith]

then 2nd CA clip it and ship it

[green marten]

Hi guys 👋
I'm doing sim right now and i'm wondering why my 701 araz is pure dogshit in front of soleah 697 even harvest edict sim's higher,
Is there a specific reason to this situation or my character is just weird

[leaden birch]

link sim

[green marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u7VBpZfyaL6zsGLdf88UeP MDT

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZvEMAMAReBNMYtgJPpGnt Patchwerk

[leaden birch]

try running it as latest, you're currently on weekly

[green marten]

mdt is maybe broken it's the first time i'm doing it

[pliant moon]

Man we need a buff again. Another 16% aura plz.

[royal zenith]

8 minutes, 1 boss?

what

[leaden birch]

ye you could just do 5m 1t

[royal zenith]

anyway forge is stronger if you can align it with a bunch of cd's

cause it's on 2min

hence why it's very strong for KOTG

EC is just uptime and sending shit on cd for uptime and cdr

[green marten]

same result with 5m 1t

but less noticeable

thx for the answers

[royal zenith]

I wonder what happens if we change to orbital...

still wants lily/soleah

forge too weak @ low ilvl unfortunate

(for EC)

[green marten]

kotg is shitty to play in MM+ i guess i will keep my soleah for pugs keys

[leaden birch]

just 5 more pieces from M+ and I will be done with runed crests

[earnest sage]

did someone craft a staff here?

[tawdry trellis]

yea

[livid jay]

yes

[earnest sage]

what stats did u chose, crit haste?

[livid jay]

crit mastery

[tawdry trellis]

haste mast

[livid jay]

but sim yourself

[formal marsh]

I crafted a 1h then got staff from boss

[barren orchid]

Guys how are you feeling to play with the 4p Elune in MM+ it's kinda boring in my opinion to have the "chance" to stack *6 tier set buff and have the good timing to use it

[radiant wyvern]

how do you play 2 min trinkets with KOTG? Do you send it on cd at 2 mins to have it up for the convoke at 4?

[harsh jungle]

Yea it’s ass

[formal marsh]

If ur not pushing 10s it doesn't really matter just pretend it doesn't exist

[earnest sage]

what embelishment did you use?

[floral radish]

It's on auto. The only theory I have is that it sees 2 targets on Forgeweaver when the add is also out and changes to cleave even tho it's still ST.

If it's programmed to see targets around you and not close to eachother instead

[barren orchid]

im omw to 12/13 rn

[drifting nova]

still in boblow eh

[tawdry trellis]

Wishing there was a world I was given 4 piece... still stuck on 2+2 and I've exhausted all my options to get tier. Next week I'll have 4 set and really see what it's all about

[barren orchid]

sorry im not mdi player pushing +15 week 1

[livid jay]

ascension

[tawdry trellis]

I've been pretty unlucky with loot drops

[drifting nova]

wait you've got a tier piece?

[livid jay]

ask him what key level he is doing

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[floral radish]

Same :/

[barren orchid]

no time to waste, just want to have feedback with the elune 4p tier set rn

[drifting nova]

is that not in itself..time wasting?

[tawdry trellis]

feedback? I mean it's a boring set.

[drifting nova]

do we look like blizzard

[livid jay]

its boring and its cringe that i need to yell at my tank to run faster

[drifting nova]

help him out 🙂

[tawdry trellis]

Initially the concept of our tier looked badass and keepers was going to give us verthyr boomkin back, and EC was just going to be big splash... now it's just flat and meh

[barren orchid]

Ok that's how im feeling rn im my boblow key

[livid jay]

only when i have meld

[drifting nova]

I died in meld yday so ..

[royal zenith]

you want to align it with convoke ye

supposedly 2ca charge for the 3rd convoke

only issue in this raid is the fact that fights either have dmg amps, important adds to kill

[tame dome]

hey guys wanna know something funny? I switched to balance this tier because of how bad aug was looking. Guess joke is on me

[royal zenith]

or it fight doesn't last long enough

so GL...

[royal zenith]

[tawdry trellis]

there's going to be tuning. we're 2 weeks in.

[tame dome]

ahh but my friend, does tuning really matter after the first 2-3 weeks?

[tawdry trellis]

in a 6 month expansion i'd say yes.

[tame dome]

there's no way we are in this season for 6 months

[tawdry trellis]

Midnight won't be til Feb

[tame dome]

hot damn

[tawdry trellis]

we won't see 11.2.7 until december

there's a ton of time

[formal marsh]

What's everyone running for forgeweaver M ?

[tawdry trellis]

plus by november everyone will be playing LeRemix

[tame dome]

maybe they fix the lunarwing flight form visual bug in legion remix

[tawdry trellis]

nah

blizz doesn't fix shit

[tame dome]

I don't know about that

is it on our list of class bugs?

[leaden birch]

are you rwf?

[drifting nova]

god can it be sooner

[leaden birch]

I'm rwl so the tuning after 2 weeks does 100% matter

[drifting nova]

rather inject remix into my veins over midnight tbh

[tame dome]

https://tenor.com/view/completed-completed-it-mate-completed-it-jay-inbetweeners-gif-24147758

[tame dome]

you don't like the look of Midnight?

[round field]

its kekkers

dont engage

[junior thicket]

when can i abandon a key? were at 7 mins already

[leaden birch]

type /abandon

if 3/5 vote then it kicks you out

[junior thicket]

ty

[leaden birch]

confirmed EU

NA on maintenance, they're clearly favouring echo

[tame dome]

if you abandon a key, can they replace you?

[leaden birch]

no

imagine surrendering in any other game

thats /abandon

key depletes and you are all kicked out of the dungeon

ask me how I know

alright, I'll tell you how I know

listed my 11 arakara last night and grabbed a vdh tank from illidan, failed on the first platform

illidan is becoming as bad as ragnaros i stg

[livid jay]

these americans smh

[leaden birch]

no

it's not the americans

[livid jay]

wtf is illidan

[leaden birch]

i don't wanna say it but like

its US east but like, it's a certain type of player from illidan

[tame dome]

I don't believe you

[leaden birch]

if you catch my slightly racist drift

[tame dome]

I can smell the desire to say it

[livid jay]

floridamans?

[leaden birch]

nah

[livid jay]

idk bro you americans look all the same to me

https://tenor.com/view/merica-america-murcia-usa-drink-gif-8694483657974374888

[warm briar]

It’s mostly Chinese players on illidan pretty sure

Well that’s where most of them that play on US servers seem to congregate.

[leaden birch]

ty someone else said it

[livid jay]

lmao we dont have any chinese on eu

[leaden birch]

when the vdh from illidan joins the group and they start blasting chinese text

I'm at the point where I'm probably just going to kick them and look for another tank

they go for the most fucking insane bat shit first pulls and then leave when no one realizes they're doing something like that

[warm briar]

I wouldn’t kick them for Chinese text unless they were terrible players.

[lucid olive]

they're the NA pozzodel eternita, sanguino and cyrillic name players

[leaden birch]

but it's like 8/10 times now the tank does some MDI level pull

[lucid olive]

50/50 if they're gonna int your key or not

[leaden birch]

they also have some infatuation with never having a completed key thats over time on their rio?

is that even a thing to care about?

[royal zenith]

acting like it's language/nation related

[warm briar]

I only start getting worried if tank is ragnaros/qt or Azralon

[royal zenith]

while there's plenty of other people that int your key

[lucid olive]

nah normal english speakers also have a 50/50 chance of inting your key

but at least i can tell what those guys are saying

[royal zenith]

that makes it better?

logic

[leaden birch]

ofc there's plenty of people that int your key

there is a reason we talk shit about certain servers though

[royal zenith]

yeah I play on Kazzak

what of it

[leaden birch]

i have no idea what the meme server of EU is

is it kazzak?

[cloud plover]

many

[royal zenith]

it's considered the boosting server

[lucid olive]

the servers people talk shit about are just the most popular ones

[royal zenith]

there's also many people that play on Argent Dawn and are not roleplayers

[leaden birch]

boosting or boosted?

[glossy stream]

Kazzak most toxic server on EU

[royal zenith]

I dunno, this is such a wow community thing to do

[livid jay]

we love the kazzak babyragers

[cloud plover]

sanguino is imo the biggest red flag to me

[livid jay]

[warm briar]

Isn’t Kazzak where Echo plays?

[lucid olive]

no

[livid jay]

no

[leaden birch]

tarren mill i think

[royal zenith]

think they're tarren

[lucid olive]

they're on tarren mill

[warm briar]

Oh tarren

[lucid olive]

kazzak is fatshark

[cloud plover]

kazzak is just the arabland so it's full of boosters and boostees

[lucid olive]

Method is twisting nether

[leaden birch]

ragnaros and quelthalas are the meme servers of NA

[warm briar]

Only thing I notice about EU servers is the absurd number of Russian premades in BGs normally

[lucid olive]

cross realm guilds are a thing now so its not like it actually matters anymore

one of the best players in my guild is russian

[leaden birch]

complaining about a certain stereotype of gamer is a thing in all games, it just is what it is

[livid jay]

where do south americans play btw

do they have own servers?

[warm briar]

Nah it’s basically Rag/QT/Azralon/TolBarad. A lot of their non terrible players migrated to Stormrage and Sârg

[royal zenith]

like I said, it's very wow community to say things like this

[warm briar]

Yeah. Azralon and Tol Barad

[leaden birch]

not really only a wow community thing

[livid jay]

[lucid olive]

We should just have cross region play man

[royal zenith]

alright so what's the worst nation in League

[lucid olive]

Australia and China plays on NA servers, South Africans play on EU server

just give us cross region man who cares at this point

[lofty depot]

Just got a choose not cali servers and ur fine

[royal zenith]

it's a good thing Maystine is not on Hyjal though

imagine being called fr*nch

am I right???

[lucid olive]

Or even worse..

Ysondre..

@scenic mist

[leaden birch]

i don't know shit about league because i haven't played it since like s1

but cs players meme about russian players all the time

rush b cyka blyat

[lucid olive]

2008 called

it wants its jokes back

[livid jay]

Hyial

[leaden birch]

2025 called

cs jokes never died

so who here is buying the epic edition of midnight

[royal zenith]

already bought it

[leaden birch]

I was considering buying tokens to pay for it but that shit has skyrocketed

[digital berry]

Damn now is the time to sell tokens for gold huh

[lucid olive]

yes

[fathom nebula]

Maaan i just got tier and this new rotation is curseeeed 🙁

[royal zenith]

not anymore

[wraith moss]

Heyo, quick question even tho I think I already know the answer : there's no way we play around 4p bonus set in EC right?

[royal zenith]

the time was when new exp got announced

reached 410k on eu

[royal zenith]

hardly

the timer for the buff is really short

[wraith moss]

yea and holding FoE will be a huge dmg loss

not worth the headache

[lucid olive]

the only play around it is to send FoE at the start of a pack if the buff is expiring before you've put dots up

[fathom nebula]

You get FoE back outside of eclipse

1. Get back into eclipse then FoE
2. FoE then get back into eclipse?

ive done 1 but i feel like i should have asked this about... 1 year ago

[lucid olive]

1 unless your 4pc is expiring

[fathom nebula]

😄

yay, did it right

[livid jay]

which feels like the worst button i've pressed in years

[royal zenith]

would be a nice qol change if they extend the buff

which I can see them do

[fathom nebula]

also i checked since i last did it 2 minutes ago but the new opener is still cursed

[royal zenith]

but who knows

[livid jay]

it should only tick down during eclipses

[digital berry]

You’re getting it back literally a couple seconds into eclipse anyway

[leaden birch]

you mean you don't enjoy holding trees for 2 seconds after pressing CA, and then timing it perfectly so that you can 2x surge in the last 2 seconds of CA?

[digital berry]

Since you’re casting like 5/6 moonfire

[livid jay]

thats not what this is about

you have 6 stacks

about to loose em

gotta send it tho

so now u got a 18% damage amp

for dotting the pack

hell yea

big value

[digital berry]

That does not happen as often as you at parenting it does

[royal zenith]

I really don't think sending 2 gcd's and then pop trees is really that cursed

[digital berry]

How often do you end a pack with 6 stacks

[royal zenith]

you're just used to different gameplay

[leaden birch]

I think the 2s window to send surge is the more cursed part

[fathom nebula]

I do not enjoy it one bit

[livid jay]

doesnt have to be 6, even 3 or 4 is frustrating

[fathom nebula]

Its about feeling, using a GCD ability that does no damage (FoN) in our cooldown doesnt FEEL good, its just that for me 🙁

[royal zenith]

have you read what it does though

I don't mind popping an ability that increases your damage by what, 26%

[fathom nebula]

I know but its still a GCD that doesnt have that oumph

Wait its 26%?

[royal zenith]

yeah, it's not a spender

it's 3 trees, 3*8% or w.e.

don't know specifics

but CA is also just a dead talent/button to press if you use the same logic

probably even worse

[fathom nebula]

Non GCD tho

[royal zenith]

so it's just the gcd part

interesting

[fathom nebula]

yeh

feel like im wasting a second

Its just feels

i still think its cursed

also Dimensius HC was not the correct fight to learn how to do an opener for the first time

[urban crescent]

plexus bug fixed pog?

[leaden birch]

I guess you just got 4p?

[fathom nebula]

Absolute garbage shit luck turned into like a 10 ilvl increase in 1 raid

[grand niche]

I miss when we did damage. Ahhh those were the days /sigh

[royal zenith]

do NOT look at the stats for heroic max damage

[jaunty blaze]

I did

[grand niche]

https://tenor.com/view/more-than4billion-years-ago-neil-degrasse-tyson-cosmos-possible-worlds-for-a-very-long-time-gif-21711451

[royal zenith]

my condolences

[jaunty blaze]

[haughty moon]

would like to ask some questions about playing around with 4pc in raid. since double ca windows are higher dps, does that mean that timeline for a fight longer than 4 min would look like double ca + convoke on opener, trees + convoke at 2 min, and double ca + voke at 4 min? You just overcap a ca charge? I feel like i'm missing something

[bronze torrent]

This should generally be correct if the killtime is around 4.30 ++, as you need some time for CDs to come up, Dryad to run out etc.

That is what I got as an answer / conclusion when I asked the same question 🙂

[haughty moon]

so overcapping the ca charge is correct?

if kill time is much longer than this (say 5 min) I assume this is a loss because you could have gotten another ca?

[bronze torrent]

Good question.

What I am just looking at is https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/druid-balance/soulbinder-naazindhri?difficulty=heroic

There you can see the best parses, killtimes, and when they press their CDs

Interesting: for Soulbinder Nazhiri the 2 top parses are playing Elunes Chosen 😮

[haughty moon]

it's an ads fight so it makes sense

i played it and it was garbage but i'm pretty sure that's a me problem

[bronze torrent]

Might try it tonight for HC Prog (Casual Guild here)

[haughty moon]

the ones playing keeper are not doing the 4 min double ca though

i did it last night, i played like ass

some of the adds die too fast to dot

main value was the 6 ad break

we were dying there a lot

[jaunty blaze]

The 2 ads on soulbinder you can forget about

Not worth spending any gcd on

[haughty moon]

i just starfall

kinda wondering why ec comes out on top given that

[bronze torrent]

Top EC did 50% to boss and 50% to adds, wild

[haughty moon]

holy what?

[tame dome]

my guess is big cleave damage from starfire

[jaunty blaze]

idk how the adds live 2 seconds

[bronze torrent]

And NONE of the top KOTG guys are going for a second double CA, although their killtimes cry for it

[haughty moon]

our tank doesn't even stack the ads

probably really risky to plan around

look at loomithar

it's very interesting

they overcap ca to get a double ca on damage amp phase

[bronze torrent]

Top Loomithar has a kill time below 4 min

[tame dome]

imagine having 4set to even try this

[haughty moon]

a lot of them lose a full usage i this

i was 4 set less until last night

i dropped a veteran piece in lfr and cata-ed the rest + vault

it's been hard to adjust tbh

the timing to send the surges without the double ca feels really tight

[bronze torrent]

Top 1 Loomithar kinda opts to wait for trinket i guess? As he delays very far

[haughty moon]

i'm not even checking if my trees are up by then

i think he's delaying for when she falls

since most lust there

[bronze torrent]

it IS really tight yeh

[simple canyon]

Does the forge master araz trinket with the decaying int change trinket timing on pull? Seems like it could be beneficial to hold it but then again it lasts 30 seconds.

[bronze torrent]

I have HoC still and Araz trinket, I just send Araz with first CA, and HoC with second Starsurge-Dump after 2nd CA

(there, a big portion of Araz is still active)

[haughty moon]

thanks for reminding to check lorrgs tho

i forgot about this

was wondering what to do about soulhunters and it seems like ec is the way to go

and nexus king is good candidate for double ca i guess

[bronze torrent]

Depending on DPS Sentinel might be good for double CA aswell

Hm as far as I can see most peeps dont have it optimized as of now 😄 kill times SCREAM for double CA, pretty much noone uses it effectively (at least for HC)

[haughty moon]

is sandbagging for parse a thing in thing in wow?

actually nvm

that killtime seems reasonable now that i look at our clear

[smoky prawn]

For the new 4 piece opener, when we dont play nature's balance, do we just wrath/starsurge into treants convoke? or instantly treant convoke and then dump

[bronze torrent]

Yes definitely, top parse has the dmg amp (kings hunger) exactly when second double-CA comes up again

[craggy sonnet]

why are you overcapping at 4mins?

your 2nd charge should just come up

[haughty moon]

i was testing it in i think soulbinder and it overcapped

[craggy sonnet]

and no, you do not get another charge in a 5min fight

[haughty moon]

not sure if i drifted convoke

[craggy sonnet]

well, maybe try laying it out in the dreamgrove timeline planner or something

but if you do 2-1-2

[haughty moon]

do you mind linking? I do not know what that is

[craggy sonnet]

that 2nd charge comes up around 4:15 or something

https://www.dreamgrove.gg/planner

[haughty moon]

thanks

[lofty depot]

U could spam some wraths before CA and then do the double aurge

[smoky prawn]

So i open build astral power for 2 starsurge and then send it

thanks

[lofty depot]

Depends if the fight is 4m or 330 or 430

[wheat rivet]

hey yall, so when it comes time to upgrade out belts from the Delve belt (Durable information securing container)....the wowhead BiS sheet shows the Atomic Phasebelt. do we only replace it when we have a mythic Atomic Phasebelt?

i got a heroic version last night 694 1/6

[lofty depot]

Because if it's 330, u save ur 2m CDs and send 2 2

[haughty moon]

oh that's way more sense

[lofty depot]

U replace it when the sim says so

[haughty moon]

the 4:30 double is the natural one

[lofty depot]

The hero version likely doesn't beat it

[wheat rivet]

ok ty

[craggy sonnet]

arctic .. how do you manage sunfire and starlord for the double ca?

[lofty depot]

Sunfire u press like right after surging cuz it's in pandemic

[craggy sonnet]

guess sunfire isnt that big of a deal, just gotta press it during CA which is ugh

but starlord

im thinking you might have to cancel before spending first dryad

[lofty depot]

Ur second starlord is gonna get fucked

[wheat rivet]

whoa whoa whoa

i just simmed

[craggy sonnet]

thats why im saying, maybe cancel

start of 2nd ca

[wheat rivet]

the heroic version of atomic phasebelt is stronger than the delve belt

[craggy sonnet]

otherwise im always sitting there in 2nd CA and it feels cursed

is it

[craggy sonnet]

show sim

[craggy sonnet]

i think i'll start cancelling

[lofty depot]

I suppose u could cancel at 13 when u do the double

[wheat rivet]

3.732 M dps with the delve belt, and 3.764 with the atomic phase belt

[craggy sonnet]

then you can just send 3x surge at the start of 2nd ca

[craggy sonnet]

link

[lofty depot]

Makes sens

[wheat rivet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4cYz5mvbUAK1YDmBFtEwLd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHZgPsuZn2YFMnSb8GyCoF

[craggy sonnet]

your belt is on dmg proc

[lofty depot]

Why r we in like m+ talents

Why arent u using top gear

[wheat rivet]

i lack discipline

[lofty depot]

U also have some tragic gear

[wheat rivet]

whats traffic gear?

[lofty depot]

Why r u crafting oh with a champ weapon

[wheat rivet]

ill sim again in raid st

[lofty depot]

So many questions

[wheat rivet]

yea i guess i was just following the wowhead bis sheet

waiting for that 1h weapon off fractilis

[lofty depot]

That's not how u determine what ur first craft is

[craggy sonnet]

darn wowhead bis sheets

[wheat rivet]

f me

[craggy sonnet]

making peoples lives harder in 2025

[lofty depot]

U simmed the diff in the belt and not the diff in a weapon craft

[leaden birch]

thanks tettles

[wheat rivet]

i was gonna upgrade my bracers next

[tame dome]

how long would you be prepared to hold CE for when waiting for trees cooldown? I play 1m trees

[lofty depot]

U don't play 1m trees

[tame dome]

I do

[lofty depot]

U dont

[tame dome]

lol

I literally do 😄

[craggy sonnet]

then do

and figure it out?

[tame dome]

anyway that's beside the point

[craggy sonnet]

idk

wdym hold CA

you have two charges

[lofty depot]

But its up at the same timea

[tame dome]

yeah so let's say that you've spent both charges, and trees comes off cooldown

[lofty depot]

U miss a tree usage at 30

Send it at 45

[craggy sonnet]

if you play 1min trees

[lofty depot]

Then hold trees til 2m

[craggy sonnet]

you have 2xca trees convoke, trees, ca trees convoke

no?

i dont understand

the q

[lofty depot]

Well u know generally when ur CAing is at 2m

[tame dome]

I also don't play convoke

just saying

[craggy sonnet]

bruh

[lofty depot]

Ok, so we're trolling

[craggy sonnet]

good luck then

idk

[wheat rivet]

should i have just upgraded my 2h crafted weapon i used all last season?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[wheat rivet]

and then with the 3rd spark the bracers?

fml

[craggy sonnet]

weapon is the single biggest upgrade you can get

[wheat rivet]

time to reroll

[lofty depot]

If u don't have a myth weapon u craft 2h

[leaden birch]

unfortunately you are now fucked

you will have to re-roll a new character

[wheat rivet]

/delete

[craggy sonnet]

so running around with a normal weap is not really the way

[lofty depot]

It's crest efficienct and oh has very low stat value

[craggy sonnet]

oh is fine

[lofty depot]

U spent 60 crests on an item that gives u 30% of the value of that slot

[wheat rivet]

damn, i just cant stop getting in my own way

[craggy sonnet]

oh is 2nd biggest slot

but yea

[lofty depot]

I mean, u'll get out of it eventually

[wheat rivet]

i live on hardmode

[leaden birch]

always check dreamgrove, never wowhead

[craggy sonnet]

you need something to justify crafting oh

[wheat rivet]

damnit, i didnt check dreamgrove yet this season

[lofty depot]

But short term it's just wrong cuz ur weapon is champ track

[wheat rivet]

just wowhead and bloodmallet for the trinkets

[lofty depot]

Maybe stop using those sites

Maybe sim your character over using those sites

[wheat rivet]

damn fake news!

[craggy sonnet]

also, last night heroic kris dropped again and literally no one wanted it .. so i finally took it after already getting and giving it away last reset

(was waiting with craft for plexus kill)

[lofty depot]

Yea problem is like not crafting staff means u sit on spark til next week

Then hope it drops

[leaden birch]

oh no, you said the #1 trigger word in here

[wheat rivet]

lol

[craggy sonnet]

i just went and upgraded bracers

its fine i think

[lofty depot]

I haven't had to change my name yet

[craggy sonnet]

you have too many items to upgrade anyways

[wheat rivet]

yea

[craggy sonnet]

if you get deathless even once

in the next weeks

[wheat rivet]

i appreciate all the feedback

[leaden birch]

lmao deathless

i've just conceded that I'll never complete a deathless run

[lucid blade]

So should you ideally always use convoke with CA and Treants?

[craggy sonnet]

yes

unless its end of fight

and you cant manage to line it up

[lucid blade]

Ok new to boomie and the guide is a bit confusing on timers. I know to hold treants if convoke is under 25 but CA timings still confuse me

I also read somewhere its never beneficial to hold convoke so im a bit confused

[wispy parrot]

can someone link a string for a m+ sim?

[craggy sonnet]

since we have charges, CA is usually not an issue

if you have only one CA charge and the cooldown on the 2nd is larger than the convoke cd, you just dont press

(unless end of fight)

[lucid blade]

So just always look to not overcap and save for convoke/treant windows essentially

[craggy sonnet]

you can delay convoke a little bit and ofc it also depends on fight length in general and dmg amp stuff etc

but you have control of the dream

[lucid blade]

up to 15 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

which lets you not lose any cdr for 15s after the affected stuff comes up

yea

[lucid blade]

Im used to getting parses in the mid 90s on warlock and i was qutie low on boomie which i figured would be easier. I guess new isnt always easy lol. I also dont have 4 set which the guide says is huge increase.

[craggy sonnet]

but in general, the rules are:
dont CA without trees
dont convoke without CA and trees

[lucid blade]

Gotcha thanks for clearing that up for me!

[craggy sonnet]

well, our tier is definitely worse than a lot of other sets this time around

so its an increase

but others gain more

and you have to play around it

[lucid blade]

Also im assuming spending dreamburst is more beneficial in CA than starsurge if having to choose between the two

[craggy sonnet]

can easily fuck it up

[lucid blade]

Yea i know it changes CA with the 2 globals

[craggy sonnet]

you want to spend all 3 dreambursts correct

but you still dont wanna overcap

and you want to build starlord as well

if its down

but you generally have enough time

[lucid blade]

So right now without the 4 set im focused on spending the dreamburst and getting CA in while not overcapping on astral power

convoke

not CA

[lucid olive]

convoke will also spend your dreambursts

[lucid blade]

duh

[craggy sonnet]

and stack starlord

[lucid blade]

thanks for help guys

[lofty depot]

Ur generally not capping CA because ur waiting on convoke to come up

[lucid blade]

Yea i pull star power to stack 3 early

[lofty depot]

And then ur waiting to use CA convoke for 2nd charge sometimes

[lucid olive]

you dont need 3 stacks of starlord before pressing convoke

[lofty depot]

But CA is generally never the issue

[craggy sonnet]

i meant convoke stacks starlord

convoke also doesnt benefit at all from haste

[lucid blade]

Yea i think the mistake im making is i am using CA in treant windows to early then when convoke comes up im kinda standing there with my dick in my hand. Gotta chill with it

So convoke doesnt spend dreamburst?

[craggy sonnet]

it does

both

convoke wraths spend dreamburst

convoke surges build starlord

[lucid blade]

Ok thanks

[lofty depot]

With new tier ur ca-ing before using trees.

Old u would trees then ca

[lucid blade]

Yup 2 global after CA then tree

[lofty depot]

But u should also never be using CA without convoke or trees now

[lucid blade]

Im practiing that way on dummy but dont have 4 set yet.

[wispy parrot]

@lofty depot hi, you had the string for sims? or am i dumb?

[lofty depot]

What string

I don't sim m+

That's cringe

[wispy parrot]

ah ok soz

[craggy sonnet]

generally, you go opener trees with CA+convoke, then trees with CA, then trees, then trees with CA+convoke

before new set

[lofty depot]

What r u looking for

What atring

Go to the MDT weakaura and follow the instructions

[craggy sonnet]

new set would be open ca trees convoke ca, then trees, then trees, then ca trees convoke

[lucid blade]

Thanks for the help guys for some reason that wasnt clicking. Hitting the dummy knowing that i need to save CA for convoke and only needing to worry about holding treants if under 25 clicked now.

Such a simple concept yet i felt stupid

[craggy sonnet]

tbf

its not very intuitive

because blizz decided to completely fuck us with different cd timings and cdr talents

most other specs just work on a 45s/1m30 or 1m/2m cycle

[sly wadi]

the two gcds between CA and trees fucked with my head for a while

[lucid blade]

Yea im coming from warlock where most all of our timers line up

Demo has some odd timers but in the end every other lines up

Last time i played Boomie was in cata when it has that weird slider 🙂

[crude void]

what is the correct opener currently with the 4piece?
The 2 empowered surge should be spent before the second incarn?