balance

[pseudo merlin]

this week

for sure

[lofty depot]

3 and 12

[digital berry]

We haven’t seen anyone get past p1 yet right so no idea if there’s some shenanigans

[pseudo merlin]

wdym

did they kill saladbar yet

[digital berry]

Yeah

[lucid olive]

yes

both guilds

[pseudo merlin]

oh damn

wait really

[digital berry]

Echo is pulling dimensius

[pseudo merlin]

both echo and method killed saladbar?

[digital berry]

Method didn’t

[lofty depot]

Method hasnt

[pseudo merlin]

who's the other one then?

you said both

[digital berry]

Liquid

[pseudo merlin]

who?

[lucid olive]

🫧

[digital berry]

You know, the racist dude who yells don’t die

And yaps

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[lucid olive]

I tried to watch Max's youtube video with their kill vod

[pseudo merlin]

Mark

[drifting nova]

how needed are plater profiles

[lucid olive]

that is unwatchable

Whoever does Max's stream setup and shit should really teach him how noise suppression software works

[digital berry]

Krona going balance

[lucid olive]

I feel like I am watching them do mechanics from inside his throat

[pseudo merlin]

lmao really

send link

[lofty depot]

Lock In

[digital berry]

Ec ????

[lucid olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BJ9rfDrP2o

like crank the volume on that video

can hear the entire fucking room

and then he just rando swallows while talking

[pseudo merlin]

cranking

[lofty depot]

EC!!!?!!

[lucid olive]

door creaking outside

[dry compass]

Did I miss the racist max arc

[pseudo merlin]

ohh

I was watching some raid recaps with tettleton and dratnos

it was the same

[lofty depot]

If ur a zoomer yea

[digital berry]

Exhibit A

[pseudo merlin]

whatever location theyre at is just dog

[lofty depot]

He can't read that emnithy

[maiden pasture]

krona

moonkin

[frank relic]

if I craft a weapon do i still want mastery/haste?

[gentle scroll]

I cant see what that says

[pseudo merlin]

krona moonkin = no buffs

[digital berry]

Bro no way he’s playing EC

[lucid olive]

@pallid bay real

[dry compass]

Is that the details name thing from like 10 years ago?

[lofty depot]

No, sim mastery + Crit/vers

[digital berry]

Yup

[dry compass]

Okay I didn't miss it I just don't care

[ancient loom]

What makes more sense in M+ to play Elune's Chosen or Keeper of the Grove ?

[digital berry]

Elunes makes more sense

[lucid olive]

poor man

[pseudo merlin]

yeah audio bad

[ancient loom]

really ?

[lofty depot]

Lock in, krona chatting

[digital berry]

Kotg does null dmg outside cds

Ec has a more flat dmg profile so you get consistent dmg across pulls instead of bursting one down and then doing tank dps

[ancient loom]

ohh oki

[pseudo merlin]

Bruh I queued for LFR like 10 times today till I found a group that has almost none of my armor type

[scenic prawn]

quick question in a pull of 10+ mobs in m+ how important is it to get moonfire on every mob? or there a point where i stop MF and start my rotation

[pseudo merlin]

im getting those fucking demon hunter boots

[pseudo merlin]

You only look at whether or not you meet the conditions for dotting

[shy bay]

Do i understand the cooldown management right? We always want to double stack our CA with new set?

[digital berry]

Very important to get dots up, but if the mob will die within the next 5/6 seconds you can skip moonfire

[digital berry]

No

It’s fight length dependent

[shy bay]

CA > Dyad ends > pop CA, spend 2 surges, dryad ends, use before 2nd ca ends?

and repeat same after 2 minutes?

[digital berry]

That’s the opener

No

[dry compass]

Delay your trees and use your starsurge buffs before CA ends

[digital berry]

You won’t have 2 more ca at 2 minutes

The next time you will have 2 more is around 4:10 or smth

So if the fight lasts more then 4:30 you can do 2 1 2

Otherwise just 2 1 1

[shy bay]

4:30 would be 2 2 no?

[scenic prawn]

thank you

[digital berry]

No

[shy bay]

oh i see

3rd come in min 3

[digital berry]

Every time you cast ca you pair it with convoke

2 1 2 means theee convokes

If the fight is like 9 minutes long you can do 2 1 2 1 2

[lofty depot]

Ca's

Also, if the fight lasts only say 330. U might hold 3rd ca to do with 4th

So instead would be 2 2

If 440 it's 2 1 2

[digital berry]

Gonna be a while before mythic fights are that short

[verbal bone]

hello guys does anyone know a WA that tracks 4 set dmg you stacked up?

[lofty depot]

I need that predictive kill timer

[shy bay]

2 pull, 1 for convoke, 2 at 4:20ish... and then repeat

[lucid olive]

maybe for you

[lofty depot]

Anyone got that

[shy bay]

thanks for the help ❤️

[dry compass]

There's a tracker in luckyone's aura pack and I assume Ois too

Can rip those out if you don't want the whole pack

[digital berry]

Damn that’s a thing? Does it take into account Amps and shit like that?

[verbal bone]

yes thanks alot bro

[lofty depot]

No it takes in pace

[lucid olive]

i made this in compendium, but it probably needs to be remade at some point

[lofty depot]

So like at the start of the fight it's like, this guy dies in 30 seconds

[lucid olive]

if i had a way to put text above each specific icon it'd be easier

[lofty depot]

Oi's doesn't because the cap doesn't matter because we hit it every time

[lucid olive]

LuckyOne doesn't track the dmg towards the cap either he just tracks Dryad and Dryad's Favor

[hollow bobcat]

i main resto but raid on balance bc its easier, is this not lowkey broken with the instant cast RGs balance gets?

[lofty depot]

U can hit cap doing the old rotation

[dry compass]

Wait is he talking dryad cap and not the EC 4set stacks?

Cause if so then I've spread misinformation

Lucky doesn't track the keeper damage either

[pallid bay]

yeah this spec is not made for that

[lofty depot]

Go test and see for me, thanks

[lucid olive]

big target swapper spec

[hollow bobcat]

going to eat now im afraid

[lofty depot]

Go eat and teat

Thanks

[shy bay]

we then pop araz forg for convoke into first dryad?

[lofty depot]

I popped with CA press

[proud mirage]

Might be a silly question but I swear I think I saw this in an M+ VOD. Is there a macro or weak aura that allows you to spam moonfire on one targets health bar and it goes to everyone around them as well?

[lofty depot]

Well twin moons would do it 1 at a time

[ocean condor]

good chance they had a mouseover macro and just targetted the prio mob

[hollow bobcat]

ill go test on a dummy

[proud mirage]

It appeared as though their cursor was still over the same health bar

Let me try to go find it again it was season 2

The Druid that played with KiraTV

[golden belfry]

Nah

[digital berry]

Thats just not a thing im afraid

[royal zenith]

huh

if you spam moonfire on the same target eventually all targets are moonfired

[lofty depot]

Why emnithy afraid, is only game

[royal zenith]

it's smart

wdym

[round field]

well

i wouldnt call it smart

[lofty depot]

It smart casts

What u mean

[round field]

but it would dot everythinging

[royal zenith]

yeah and you dont need a macro for that

[round field]

yeah but

ur still

[royal zenith]

it's also extremely inefficient

[round field]

spending twice as many globals

[lofty depot]

It's smart casting

[royal zenith]

yeah but that's besides the point

[round field]

ok but

[royal zenith]

you being dum dum

[round field]

if you have 10 mobs right

[royal zenith]

smh

[round field]

if you target a new one manually

it takes 5 casts

[lofty depot]

Yea but, I'm casting smart

[round field]

if you do it like that it takes 9

[royal zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/missthepoint-the-point-gif-7984004

[lofty depot]

They wouldn't name it that if it wasn't smart

Then it would be called dumb casting

Get with the program

[merry ibex]

Do you think we get touched after the race or just gonna be a tear where we are one of the dps at the bottom, I suppose someone has to be

[lofty depot]

I don't want to be touched

[digital berry]

Let me touch you arctic

[lofty depot]

officer.....

[digital berry]

I'm asking for consent

[dry compass]

Let's be real we're gonna get buffed in like 10 weeks in expac garbage time

[digital berry]

krona went dark it's JOEVER

[dry compass]

And then being at the top of the meters for two weeks will be pointed at to justify being dogshit for all of midnight

[digital berry]

we getting a s4 this expansion too?

[round field]

probably

its free money for 0 effort

[lucid olive]

think they said they weren't gonna do it

but expansion isn't until like late february early march so

[round field]

oh ye

right

theyre shortening xpacs for the trilogy

[lucid olive]

theyre rushing content so it releases unfinished* for the trilogy

[digital berry]

wtf are we gonna do in s3 foe 5 months

[lucid olive]

play different games

Sylvanas patch lasted like 9 months

[maiden pasture]

perfect time for fated

[chrome torrent]

They want us to buy more xpacs

[round field]

id rather buy a new xpac

than suffer through a season of recycled content

[drifting nova]

..they did that once

[chrome torrent]

Don’t we already pay them every month

[dry compass]

Legion remix is your s4

[drifting nova]

and never did it again

[drifting nova]

listen, blizzard dont triple dip already ok

[round field]

true acctually

[drifting nova]

leave the struggling company alone

[chrome torrent]

The expansions aren’t actually gonna be significantly shorter though right

That was just propaganda and misinformation right

[fossil flame]

Wait midnight expansion is coming out in February or did I miss read and not pay attention to all the stuff you said before

[drifting nova]

no they are, also going to be cheaper because shorter xpacs /s

[formal wasp]

I think if you have time it might be helpful to make one of these to show people the non-double incarn window as well. Just the Incarn + Convoke and how to dump the 2 SS at the end of it within the incarn window still. Just a thought if you have time as I imagine people are probably missing out on that.

Great chart btw!

[hollow bobcat]

36% uptime using only instant RGs @lofty depot vs parapodia 8 ilvls below it

conclusion

this shit was NOT a cook

[fossil flame]

Since the middle of last season, my guild kind of stopped rating retail because they weren’t happy with some of the changes, either way I’ve been so out of the loop

How are things looking for us bookies this season

[modern merlin]

[frigid niche]

how to know what is best flask for my character ?

[craggy sonnet]

yea think so

sorry

[slim iris]

B O O K I E S

[fossil flame]

From now on we’re bookies

My talk to text did not operate my words very clearly

[slim iris]

Where are the LOCKS

🔒

[frozen solar]

hey guys we dont try to x2 CA outside of opener right?

im a sudden 4p gamer now im overwhelmed 🙂

[ancient loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kpFzDkHpxYgQ5JEmiDhdu2
Is that good or bad?
I find it quite low.

[robust oracle]

after the opener, i only combine one ca with convoke, never 2, right?

[vagrant dew]

did anyone check if hc weapon + crafted oh is better then crafted 2h staff? or is it just a temporary increase? because its mentioned in the compendium

[robust oracle]

because it would be too much of wasting convoke cd to get it ready with two ca-

although over time they will catch up, so at one point its double ca burst again?

if so, what time in a fight is that about?

[lofty depot]

Is it every rg

[royal zenith]

[modern merlin]

About 4:10

[maiden pasture]

aoe talents, no raid buffs

[royal zenith]

probably simming for m+

aka pretty useless sim

[ancient loom]

yess i see ^^

[solid cradle]

off-hand is 750 haste 550 mastery, would you guys take that over myth tier shoulders?

[lofty depot]

Both are bad

But if u don't have 4p, shrug

[solid cradle]

why is off hand bad if you craft one?

[lofty depot]

Stats are bad

And crafted also has ascendance

[solid cradle]

yikes

[hollow bobcat]

which hero talent is better with 4set?

[lofty depot]

What r u doing

[ionic oak]

Asking a question duh

Lol

[lofty depot]

Keeper for raid, EC m+

[ionic oak]

Im sorry. I apologize

[hollow bobcat]

raid

[hollow bobcat]

icy veins has EC as recommended ST talents

strange

is it easier to play

[lofty depot]

Stop using icy veins

[hollow bobcat]

oh

why

[lofty depot]

Cuz I said so

Dreamgrove.gg

[hollow bobcat]

dudeee

i see

[urban crescent]

i can never double surge on pull with the compendium opener, do you need nature's balance for it

[hollow bobcat]

dreamgrove also doesnt say which is better

[lofty depot]

Yes

[urban crescent]

ok so if i run twin moons what would the opener look like?

1 surge?

or maybe 1 surge then a wrath or smth

[lofty depot]

Sure it does

[hollow bobcat]

is that on the compendium

[lofty depot]

Wrath surge maybe

[lofty depot]

The sim is yes

[urban crescent]

ty

[solid cradle]

which piece do we want not to have set on?

[lofty depot]

Shoulders

[red nymph]

makes sense. random goblin raid is ass

[fossil flame]

I thought the aesthetics were cool and the idea of it, for me just didn’t really progress. The story like the first raid was cool and felt very much like a first raid.

Expecting it to push it to this deeper more important storyline so that was really my only gripe

[lofty depot]

Depends on fight timer, if fight lasts actually 5m, u would do a 2 CA again at 420ish

[fossil flame]

But I was expecting the second raid I’m saying to like progress stuff and it didn’t

[red nymph]

felt like a firefighter on the way to call for a burning building but had to stop for ice cream first because cap wanted some

[urban crescent]

whats the use case for grove inspiration vs potent enchantments? is potent only better if it gets you an extra ca cast on a fight?

[lofty depot]

Yes

Or if it lines double cas better

But more testing to be done sure

[urban crescent]

i see plexus most ppl use GI but loomithar most use PE, guessing PE lets you hit the amp phase or smth

[frank grotto]

is there still the extra versa thing prepulling on bear form?

[lofty depot]

Think most people copy talents and have no clue what either does

[lucid olive]

No

[urban crescent]

i am normally that person i was just trying to learn the difference to try and understand why haha

[barren dirge]

Is Azhiccaran Parapodia trinket from Echo playable?

[lofty depot]

Playable sure

[cold gyro]

Assuming that we play 4p set, in a 5 minutes fight we don't press CA at 3 mins and wait to have 2 stacks at 4 minutes.
But if the fight lasts 6 mins or more, we ignore the double CA and press it whenever. Is this correct?

[urban crescent]

i have that + lily and its pretty good

[lofty depot]

But doesn't beat 684 mugz jug until u have a lot of Crit or 710 iirc

[urban crescent]

oh really wtf

[frozen solar]

ah ok thanks, its when it gets close to sync more or less

[lofty depot]

Uhh 6m is likely just send an extra trees CA at the end at like 540

[urban crescent]

also sims telling me to take the mastery weapon enchant do i just trust it or ignore it and run depths

[lofty depot]

Sim > feelycraft

[urban crescent]

ty

i always follow sim because im not a free thinker

[mighty mica]

free thinkers know that simming is far more efficient and trustworthy

[red nymph]

wouldnt following the robot be the complete opposite of "free thinker"

[urban crescent]

jug a 0.4% downgrade for me compared to 701 parapodia which is much less than i thought it would be lmao

[lucid olive]

684 jug is a 710 trinket in a trench coat

[frank grotto]

at 704 it beat my 684 jug but i do have a lot of crit and its a sidegrade if anything

[torpid skiff]

just wondering since the guide on dreamgrove isnt 100% clear.. is there any scenario where you overcap on AP and slam starfires on aoe? Or is it always worth to spend the gcd on starfall ?

[lucid olive]

never overcap

overcap makes EC tier set not proc

[torpid skiff]

ait sounds good

[urban crescent]

no jug for me

[lucid olive]

what ilvl is ur jug

[urban crescent]

684

[lucid olive]

o7

[urban crescent]

oh 671

i lied

my apolocheese

[torpid skiff]

o6 then

[urban crescent]

please disregard

i thought i got a mythic jug i guess not

🤣

[fossil flame]

I’m thinking of taking this season off. I didn’t even know it started anyway so I might as well.

[vagrant dew]

i saw that in the compendium

For Season 3 and Manaforge Omega, crafting a
Two-Hand Staff with Ascension early will be a preferred option for most players. However, if you play in a decent guild and can acquire the
Voidglass Kris weapon from heroic, then crafting an
off-hand with Ascension and spending the free Enchanted Runed Crest on Bracers with Writhing Armor Banding can be a bigger upgrade.

is the hc weapon + oh craft bis option or just for progress?

[digital berry]

Ok see you next season

[lofty depot]

Well it's not bis so no

[maiden pasture]

hc weapon + crafted oh with a diff crafted piece aswell often sims better than crafted 2h does

[digital berry]

It’s important to note its not any hc weapon

Its specifically Kris

[shadow totem]

Something is wrong with my guilds normal run. Got 3 druids everyone plays feral....

[hazy zenith]

Guys, one question.
How much does 4pc of the new tier improve?
Or is it better to keep 4pc of the old tier for now?

[fossil flame]

Yeah, I just don’t wanna start late to be honest. I just really haven’t felt like playing any video games lately.

[digital berry]

That’s valid

Mind you this season will be like 6 months long

[digital berry]

Get 2p2p and then 4p asap

Of the new tier

[lofty depot]

2p is good

4p more fun aurrly

[digital berry]

“Fun”

[round field]

4p actually cringe

[mellow zephyr]

4p kinda weird

[digital berry]

Dryad needs to last 8 seconds

[lofty depot]

Ur weird

Ur cringe

Grow up

[digital berry]

So it’s not so cringe to fit it all in the buff windows

Dryad being 10 is a grief

[lofty depot]

Skrill issue

[mellow zephyr]

4p in mm+ eluneC is definitly weird y

[digital berry]

I just know you’re bald

Shiny dome

[lofty depot]

I run these streets

[digital berry]

Playing with toddlers and padding on platform adds

Smh

[lofty depot]

No pad

Adds don't count past first anyway

Nt tho bud

[mellow zephyr]

Normal

Lmao

[digital berry]

Perfect fight duration

Doesn’t count

[lofty depot]

Keep trying

Se outside with it

[digital berry]

64 plexus

[lofty depot]

(range trolled soak on plexus and I was only one to soak)

Wcyd

I will no longer be soaking it

[digital berry]

I have a 66 on dimensius

Down bad

Just got 4p

Didn’t know how to act

[lofty depot]

Go hit a dummy

[digital berry]

Ima hit on your dad how about that

[lofty depot]

Or log into ptr

[pseudo merlin]

who do we share tier with again

[royal zenith]

your m--

mage, hunter

[urban crescent]

people running ec on soulbinder?

[pseudo merlin]

so 12 people in my group

nice

[royal zenith]

you can yes

[digital berry]

Dirty disgusting padders

[royal zenith]

who cares

[urban crescent]

im looking at mythic

[digital berry]

(I did )

[royal zenith]

2nd boss in the raid

[urban crescent]

they dont live long enough on heroic

[royal zenith]

you kinda need to kill the phaseblades asap anyway

[lofty depot]

If normal so easy why not higher

Smh

[digital berry]

Ouch

Did him dirty

[lofty depot]

He's streaming

[mellow zephyr]

Kek you have no life

I did raid 680 ilvl

i don't do pve

i don't care about pve

[digital berry]

You’re the one who can’t read a joke

[mellow zephyr]

omg u too strong

[pseudo merlin]

cat?

[lofty depot]

Don't care but talk shit, makes sense

M+er brain

[digital berry]

Worse

Pvper

[pseudo merlin]

real pvp?

[digital berry]

He says he doesn’t care about PvE

[pseudo merlin]

or

[maiden pasture]

🐐

[lofty depot]

True

[dapper wing]

First time I've ever been top 10

heroic

[lofty depot]

[dapper wing]

lol

[lofty depot]

W

[digital berry]

Did you really go in there to trash talk?

[maiden pasture]

where

[dapper wing]

I know I got absurdly geared and that helps, but I still feel accomplished, we love peaking week 2

[lofty depot]

No, I said bub is streaming

Blud has toxic tag and can't take a bit of banter

Crazy world

[royal zenith]

arctic

why do you talk like some gangster

'blud' ?

[lofty depot]

Sproeopertkrkrktkrkr at

Do u not see my name

Or

[royal zenith]

I do

question still stands

is this your internet mask

your made up persona

[lofty depot]

Mask implies that I'm hiding something

[royal zenith]

correct

[pseudo merlin]

Leave blud alone

[lofty depot]

Like I'm not some derp from a cornfield u don't know about

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

The key there is u do know about

[royal zenith]

unless...

[lofty depot]

What if I'm gta rping

Gotta get ready to grind with gamz

[royal zenith]

Id believe it

[pseudo merlin]

1 button pressed SUF on a target that had 1% HP

and 0.01s left to live

[lofty depot]

Maybe if u know better u should think for urself

[pseudo merlin]

i aint doing all that

blud

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[junior thicket]

got out of grey parse🥰

any1 need coaching?

[dapper wing]

I DO

What should i do coach

[junior thicket]

pay 200 euro first

[dapper wing]

how about 10 smeckles

[muted remnant]

Split between ensuring 4pc of the HoA neck. Is the neck better than 720 iLvL crafted since it's so Haste Heavy too?

[somber rapids]

Do we still starfall on 2+ targets with new 4set?

[lofty depot]

What makes u think u want the HOA neck

[lofty depot]

It's not based on set, but rather talents

If ur not using kindling, no

[somber rapids]

Yeah i mean with ''normal'' elune m+ talents

[muted remnant]

The overall BiS List on WoWhead 😅 Would've thought if crafted was better that'd have been mentioned

[lofty depot]

Well, that's not clear at all. Yes

[lofty depot]

Bis lists are fake, and I guess if u only m+

[somber rapids]

Tyty

[lofty depot]

Fuggn too many m+ers

[dapper wing]

mhmhm

Just sim yourself

[muted remnant]

alright, thanks, and yea, I mean still like 30 iLvLs to gain, current stats always change, right, but ty then

turns out I had a shit vault besides tier then, that's nice, but ty

[lofty depot]

I mean, it's good for m+

But m+ doesn't matter for 2 months

[dapper wing]

mhmhm

[muted remnant]

alright ty then, sending tierset

[junior thicket]

how do you guys log so high on araz?

i js dont understand it

[dapper wing]

st

abusing tf out of damage amp

[hazy zenith]

but with 4pc is it better to play it in KOTG or the other one?

[junior thicket]

so no starfalling the adds?

[dapper wing]

There is only really one fight where you can play EC and it's soul hunters

everything else is kOTG

So, if the adds are gonna live long sure starfall

but like those adds die so fast that it's a waste of astral

Just starsurge imo

[junior thicket]

yea i have problems if its not pure st or council with ec

when adds come into mechs, i struggle

[dapper wing]

If adds NEED to die and aren't dying to melee blender cast starfall

but tbh anything in heroic or under is just gonna fall over

[junior thicket]

so you wouldnt go into lunar on araz right

[dapper wing]

god no

never

[junior thicket]

i wondered

i seem to do ok on other bosses

[dapper wing]

ST blast, starfall if needed

[muted remnant]

could you even cast in the last phase as EC

[junior thicket]

but on adds its bad

[dapper wing]

You can

just not much

TBH just kinda ignore them?

[dapper wing]

Like you don't have the gcds to dot them all before they are dead

[junior thicket]

soulbinder and araz, i hate those

yea i see

[dapper wing]

Kinda only ever can dot big mobs like on nexus king platforms and even then

those things get fucking obliterated

in mythic guild clears of heroic

[junior thicket]

so would it be worth just for the big adds on nexus to take in twin moons

or nah

[dapper wing]

It depends on the group your in

Will they die within a starfall timer, no play full st. Will they survive for like a starfall timer + a couple of seconds sure

Last night I played full ST since melee blender goes brrrr

[junior thicket]

cool, you helped me here mate

thank you

[long nova]

what do we craft?

[fast parcel]

2h agi weapon to play feral

[plush obsidian]

Hey are we supposed to keep track of the stacks we get from our new 4p or just pretty much continue to send fury of elune on cd?

seeing if i need a wa for it or not

[red nymph]

porbably a pretty big DPS loss to hold during AOE

and EC licks toes in ST so just fucking send it

[sonic surge]

what do u guys reckon? parapodia or shoulders? this for someone playing in a guild where long run options are better since we usually only get CE (if we get it) near end of season

i have heroic parapodia and shoulders already

am using heroic para and lilly for all content

shoulders beats in sims, both ST and MT but mythic shoulders are easier to get than mythic trinkets

[digital berry]

It you’re planning on raiding mythic, you will replace those trinkets

[sonic surge]

yeah i was thinking so, with dinars even if i dont get from raid

[digital berry]

But also, shoulders are our off piece this tier

Best shoulders drop from loom

[sonic surge]

yeah i know, im missing what you are implying by this though, could you explain a bit further?

[sonic surge]

i genuinely think these are better than loom shoulders

[digital berry]

My bad for some reason I thought the ones in your vault were tier set

[sonic surge]

low crit heavy mastery

theyre just not on bis lists because its m+ vault only

[digital berry]

I’d take shoulders, both those trinkets are doodoo

If you plan on raiding mythic

[sonic surge]

para is good until i can buy with dinar but yeah i see your point, it is better long term

thank you

[snow elm]

wow boomies at the bottom of the charts

and still no buffs in sight

[sonic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[snow elm]

probably another pally buff inc

[drifting nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1404607648367775854/884dae019b604034a488bde11a71bd29.gif

[vagrant dew]

so that means, its just better for 2 weeks until you can craft 2hstaff and bracers too?

[digital berry]

You don’t wanna craft 2h if you’re mythic raiding

You wil eventually get Kris from fract

[drifting nova]

surely

[lofty depot]

Well that's not true

Holll on

[digital berry]

True

I mean if you do not have any other options right now

He was talking about crafting 2h in the future

[sonic surge]

by the time u get mythic frac down its likely u have spare sparks tho

[lofty depot]

Yea emnithy

[digital berry]

For this week tho if you have a myth track mh or a heroic Kris , crafting 2h is not really worth it tho no

I got like .5% more dps from a 2h

[valid grove]

Is it sidegrade between soul of forest + crashing star and touch of cosmos + umbral inspiration in single target? Both checked on raid logs

[lofty depot]

Half our talents are "side grades"

Id be more inclined to have sotf an cosmos

But I think sotf and crashing sim 0.3-0.5% better

Than sotf and cosmos

But people are likely just using old talent

[vagrant dew]

but i got neither 😄 so i probably will craft 2h staff :d

and i am not mythic raiding so my question was hc kris + oh vs 2h staff for the long run

[radiant wyvern]

I know other people have said it but damn Soulbreaker Sigil is kind of a sleeper trinket, it's outsimming arakara/azzhicaran atm for me at 704

[craggy kernel]

Is there a WA that helps track or dryad and moonlight buffs from the new tier set?

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

Can use that, or use OiBalance cuz it has it which means it's clearly better than what ur using 🙂

[sonic surge]

do i need this if i already have sune's dudu WA

[lofty depot]

No

[sonic surge]

ah ok nvm u answered that same time

[lofty depot]

Cuz dsune is the goat

[radiant wyvern]

True that

[sonic surge]

re-orange sune or riot

[craggy kernel]

thanks ^.^

[halcyon elm]

new recruit has entered the chat

oh shit my name

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[jaunty blaze]

[sonic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/when-i-lose-my-swich-stare-worried-gif-15090979

[halcyon elm]

some guy name peekaboo told me this is a safe space

[leaden birch]

man, i really fucked up on loomithar

really making my shit look ugly

[sonic surge]

cant relate i dont go to discords to seek validation

[leaden birch]

it's because I don't get validation anywhere else in life

[sonic surge]

its ok, im proud of u

[leaden birch]

ty

[sonic surge]

u have done your best and i am proud of you, you shouldnt regret anything in your past because you made the best of the cards you were dealt

well done volvo

https://tenor.com/view/hug-love-hi-bye-cat-gif-5711781834381685182

[leaden birch]

UwU

[digital berry]

What should I get chat

[lofty depot]

The onion blossom

[burnt sigil]

Hello, for the 2p, the dryad cast starsurge or starfall if i cast it ? Like more i cast SS more dryad cast SS ? Or dryad is free of movmeent ?

[lofty depot]

It casts 1 Starfall and 5 surge

[midnight bough]

Is it legal to do streets yet or do they still need to nerf it 5 more times?

[digital berry]

That’s for granted

[livid jay]

friend got timed out for a week cause he put the correct thing in ret discord when they did some alphabet game xD

guess they dont know the alphabet

[midnight bough]

Me too. There is no warning they just time you out

[loud kettle]

Well thats why theyre practicing

[livid jay]

practicing?

[loud kettle]

Yea reciting the alphabet

[lofty depot]

Well they're not raiding, so they're practicing alphabet

[vagrant reef]

is there a downside with embelishments to crafting mh/oh instead of a staff?

[lofty depot]

Wastes a lot of crests

[golden belfry]

You're using more crests

[vagrant reef]

oh yea true idk why i did not think about that

[solar arch]

the opener of 4 set, you send the second CA after dryad fades? or just before?

[full sleet]

Playing balance as my main alt, only done up to 10s so far, losing on st but being top overall vs higher ilvls that have new 2 set; is boomie actually not bad? Or is it gonna be worse once I have new tier?

[lofty depot]

Either works, what's important is that u get 2 gcds in trees

[lofty depot]

U got buffed 16% while everyone else needs tier to get that kind of bump

[full sleet]

So is it gonna be a DPS loss to switch to new tier?

[lofty depot]

When everyone gets gear/tier we'll start losing

No

2p2p is good tho

Mushroom procs. I have a few funny sims of it actually beating it at low ilvl tier

[full sleet]

Aoe is still gonna be competitive tho, right?

[lofty depot]

I mean ur racing

[full sleet]

Racing?

[lofty depot]

Yea like ur in a Honda and mage/dk is in a Ferrari

Like ur racing, but he still gonna beat u eventually

[full sleet]

Regarding aoe or?

[lofty depot]

St

U said u were losing in st

Ur spec isn't good at st

[full sleet]

Yeah st doesn't feel great, but is our aoe gonna be competitive later? Right now it feels really good, probably due to the buff you mentionend

[lofty depot]

Yea

[full sleet]

Just wondering if it's still gonna be competitive when everyone is more geared with tier

[lofty depot]

AOE is fine, we generally always do well with long living mobs in overall

Fdk loses less I think tho

[full sleet]

Kk I only started balance last season late, but I'm liking it and hoping it stays plausible

[golden belfry]

Imagine liking balance

[full sleet]

IDC if it's s tier or not, just wanting it to be decent

[lofty depot]

Unfortunately it's always decent at m+

[full sleet]

Unfortunately?

All I do is keys lol

[lofty depot]

Yea unforch

Mental illness

[full sleet]

I'm usually aotc as well but probably just gonna get aaotc this season

[junior thicket]

acting as if boomie players are a different breed

[pseudo merlin]

HOLY SHIT BOYS

[golden belfry]

They are compared to rets

[lofty depot]

We are

[pseudo merlin]

idk man

[lofty depot]

Ferals on the other hand

[pseudo merlin]

I play both boomie and ret

[golden belfry]

Checks out

[pseudo merlin]

[junior thicket]

if wow classes would be defined wages, boomies and rets would be on the same wage class

IMO

no ragebait

[pseudo merlin]

I agree

[lofty depot]

Would the grey parsers in their division get less vacation days?

[pseudo merlin]

Finally I have my fursuit

[junior thicket]

theyd be on coffee duty

[lofty depot]

Go get be a coffee then rat

[golden belfry]

Blue one better

[junior thicket]

i main rogue, boomie is my alt so im different than yall

nerds

L

[meager storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170884158583746602/1384372021928136714/7320831648431688416.gif

[lofty depot]

Yea, ADHD and spams emotes like a 12 year old.

U do be diffy

[sterile axle]

hey guys someone got a weak aura for the new 4 set boni?

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

[junior thicket]

true, i also main yasuo in LoL and spam mastery emote

how did u know

[lofty depot]

Or use OiBalance cuz it's better

Because what class u play generally says a lot about u

[sterile axle]

thank u man 🙂

[lofty depot]

And I've never met a rogue that wasn't on coke constantly

Much like I've never met a warrior good at mechanics

Or a hunter that wasn't mildly tism

[junior thicket]

[pseudo merlin]

not the worst for an alt, think this beats S2 bis at LFR level?

oh actually my S2 are hc

[lofty depot]

If u mean jug, doubt

Maybe tho

Oh hmm

[junior thicket]

thats not an loved alt vault, delete the character atp

[pseudo merlin]

itl have like 20 item levels on it right

should beat HC moxie

[nova ocean]

I'm surprised mug didn't get nerfed more and jastors at all

[junior thicket]

but shouldnt u take it anyways since u dont really have another option?

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[lofty depot]

Just make other trinkets better

Why nerfing mug 🙁

[nova ocean]

I would be fine with that but they aren't gonna

Really fun simming every m+ dungeon and raid bots says mythic mug is better lol

[pseudo merlin]

I mean

I'd rather not have to grind 80 dungeeons for a new trinket?

That's a W

[nova ocean]

I would rather do more damage

[pseudo merlin]

That's not how that works

[fleet furnace]

Is the rotation different with 4 set?

[nova ocean]

Ya they make new trinkets stronger without nerfing old ones

U get stronger

[pseudo merlin]

yeah that's not how that works

[nova ocean]

It's exactly how it works lol

[pseudo merlin]

Am I talking to kekkers

[nova ocean]

O

[haughty kiln]

Probably answered but do we break s2 4 piece for s3 2+2 tier piece?

[golden belfry]

Yes

[dense steeple]

yes

[lofty depot]

In CDs yes

Sequencing is different

[junior thicket]

do i still wrath before ca e.g on dimensius when everyone goes in at pull timer 0, to build points for 2 starsurges after pressing ca? (4set)

[dry compass]

if you want a second starsurge before you convoke

dont think it's necessary

that first set of adds dies so fuckin fast its not worth dotting them, so may as well just get CA rolling and pipe dimmy

[fleet furnace]

What's the change?

[dry compass]

Trees moves to the third GCD in CA instead of pre-CA and CA always ends with 2x starsurge gcds

[junior thicket]

i mean rather for the time wondow after dryad fading and treants

[robust oracle]

how big is the damage increase of doing the second dryad surges inside the second or outside the second ca?

[lofty depot]

100k DPS or something

[dry compass]

dont do them outside CA that's trolling

doing them in your second CA vs the end of your first CA is very small

[robust oracle]

i think about delaying them for dimensius. after the first knockback i have my 2 surges and if use on the add i get free ckeave

[lofty depot]

Oh outside idk, would have to use old apl

[woven igloo]

Anyone got a weakaura to track 4 set dryads and buff from it ?

[lofty depot]

Free cleave kek

Blud where we're going we don't need cleave

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

Or use the OiBalance pack cuz it's better than w.e. ur using

[dry compass]

nice voidwarden padding blud

[lofty depot]

It's not pad dam

Nt tho bud

No Starfall was cast there

[raw shoal]

does my rotation in m+ change with new 4p?

[dry compass]

no

[lofty depot]

EC is played, and it's generally just passive

Maybe u use foe earlier in rotation if buff would fall off before

But generally use as normal

[raw shoal]

ok thx

[copper spade]

is there a min time that you need >2 adds to be alive before you pop starfall or do without?

[supple haven]

This tier is being really mean, no leather drops, no tier tokens and vault has been sideways

[lofty depot]

Feelycraft is half the duration

No clue tho

[charred slate]

Hello, what type are we simming for m+?

[lofty depot]

They're trying to hold u back

[lofty depot]

We aren't cuz simming m+ is cringe

[copper spade]

better example is the third boss in raid, when 2 of the adds break out is it even worth starfalling? they die so fast

[lofty depot]

U can Ctrl + f "MDT" in the compendium if u want

[lofty depot]

Soulbinder? No

Starfall during the ass AOE shit

I had big cleave on that

Should go check actually what I Crit and splashed for

Will be home in 10

[supple haven]

Wouldn't be so bad except my alt devoker has shot ahead in gear progression surpassing my druid already

[storm frigate]

so not even from a 'now' standpoint as i'm still trying to figure out what to craft and whatnot, but for a long-term consideration, the trinket would still be the best to take as it's likely the hardest to get again or replace?

[copper spade]

probably neck. Trinket you would replace if you do mythic raid I think

[storm frigate]

not a mythic raider

[round field]

lily just worse signet

neck good

[storm frigate]

unless it becomes super easy to pug first 3

i thought lily was a better signet?

[round field]

first 2 are piss to pug

[copper spade]

heroic raider? I would sim how that one does against the heroic version of antenna
I would assume the first 3 are going to be puggable pretty soon

[round field]

and killing soulbinder lets you vault the antenna

[storm frigate]

thats a good point

[paper isle]

Hero ritual forge sims higher than 723 lily, and I don’t think double on use is viable

[round field]

slightly worse

[storm frigate]

impressive

[fleet furnace]

Does that mean just after your first 3 casts?

[paper isle]

Source: took 723 lily from vault then got ritual forge from raid 🤦‍♂️

[storm frigate]

😬

grats?

this is also why i'm not taking vault until after i do a bit of raiding, but doubt i'll be able to do heroic this week sadly

pugs are still brutal

[copper spade]

the neck is bis overall so doesnt seem like you would replace it unless you are stat'd in a way that makes something else better

[storm frigate]

yep, very true. i've been going back and forth arguing with myself on each of them haha

[lunar whale]

What do we craft? Wrists + legs?

[clever carbon]

about this part on elunes aoe, shouldnt i also cast starfall if capped AP?

[lofty depot]

yes

but that line is above

is more important

[broken totem]

whats the best weapon enchantment currently?

[wild blaze]

@lofty depot hey, 2 days ago u said shoulder was balance off piece, is this build dependant? wowhead and some other boonkims are saying legs is off piece

[earnest sage]

so what are we crafting for raid? waist + wrist?

[lofty depot]

raid

wowhead is wrong

ive told tettles

but hes busy

m+ u can wear 5p it doesnt matter

i mean. u can wear 5p in raid but w.e.

[lofty depot]

uhh if u got the taza staff i suppose

but otherwise u should be craftin staff

[leaden birch]

anyone have a good WA that I can auto set the spec I want per dungeon?

[lofty depot]

sim it

[leaden birch]

i used to have one but I accidentally purged my shit

[earnest sage]

even if I have that one

[lofty depot]

that staff is beans dawg

[lofty depot]

MASSIVE

[earnest sage]

crit + haste isnt that goated xD

[wild dune]

its 23 ilvls behind crafted staff

[lofty depot]

its also hero track

so beans

[wild blaze]

gg

[earnest sage]

so crafting staff + what else? waist?

[lofty depot]

well u cant craft the "what else" right now

but is wrist

would also sim using hte enchanted runed crest and using on other items vs using gilded on waist

[earnest sage]

is there a overwiev like raiderio to watch how other druids do in raids

[lofty depot]

overview?

https://www.twitch.tv/ITSGAMZ

u can watch ur guide writer right now

🙂

[earnest sage]

++

[frank grotto]

so is our big cd rotation heavy rng considering if crit or not our 2 surges?

[lofty depot]

50/50 big rng

[frank grotto]

😢

[drifting nova]

elp, my rep

[quasi dagger]

Since the Elunes Chosen 4 Set enables AE Damage for Star Surge, do i use it over Starfall in some multi target situations?

[lofty depot]

thats not what it does

[quasi dagger]

i just realized

My bad

[frank grotto]

do we need to have the treants buff on surge hit or cast?

[maiden pasture]

cast

everything except dream burst is on cast

(i believe)

[frank grotto]

tyty

[maiden pasture]

and i think dream burst was only specific things

just assume everything is on cast rlly

[digital berry]

Don’t kill the final boss before getting the quest for the crest or you will have to sit on your spark for a week

Ask me how I know

[maiden pasture]

u could have got the quest last week aswell

[jaunty blaze]

how do you know

[digital berry]

Yeah I completely forgot about the quest

Listen the difference in dps between 684 and 704 wrists is negligible I’m not gonna cry about it

[bronze torrent]

For 4p Elune AoE -> do I use Starfall or Starsurge due to the set?

[ebon sail]

Are we still generally going with EC build for M+ or KOTG now? Running +8-10s.

[lofty depot]

yes

[edgy rivet]

hrmmm going from 2 /2 to 4 set sims as a loss

[lofty depot]

what r u simming

[solid cradle]

is crafting off-hand worth if i dont have mythic dagger?

[edgy rivet]

5 min 1 target in m+ spec

[lofty depot]

u wouldnt do that

[lofty depot]

seems like a terrible idea

[solid cradle]

but doesn't it just waste 2 sparks tho?

[lofty depot]

sparks dont matter

crests do

and no it doesnt because the staff will be good until u get mythic kris

[bronze torrent]

Does this look like a decent dmg split? Was 5 minutes on 5 dummies.

[lofty depot]

do u have 4p or

[bronze torrent]

Yeh, 4p

[lofty depot]

starfire low

[left hazel]

on a lot of logs now i see people using there 2nd charge of CA right after the first one ends, is this down to the new 4 set ? and with 4 set now, do you no longer hold it for trees?

[lofty depot]

yes, what u mean hold?

[frank grotto]

yes our rotation on big cds changed

[lofty depot]

u send trees 2 gcds into incarn so the buffed surges get trees and the new ca

[strong bronze]

Wait so for EC , you would just wait to press FoE untill 6 stacks?

[lofty depot]

no

u dont hold foe

[left hazel]

Before, on pull you would do the normal "opener" then the 2nd CA would be used with trees, now people are using it like after the first CA ends

[lofty depot]

yes

[empty girder]

Yes

[lofty depot]

read the guide

[empty girder]

I was about to share that

I'm wondering, is there any changes with the 4p for EC - M+ build?

[lofty depot]

nop

[empty girder]

I've heard people say to hold FoE

[tropic walrus]

when buff for boomie ?

[lofty depot]

who people

[empty girder]

a guild mate with green parses

[lofty depot]

should tell u all u need to know

[tropic walrus]

hc stats on archon 🙁

[lofty depot]

thank god we care about archon

[fossil shard]

https://tenor.com/view/seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-everything-all-of-this-look-around-gif-19251113

[meager storm]

all good wait for rwf to end, buff us, then later into the tier when fights are shorter we will end up being what devoker and mm was last tier

holy

[lucid olive]

Arms is bad but not as bad as those stats say

Every good player is just playing Fury

And the ones without hands play arms which tanks the statistic

[lofty depot]

same thing with fire 😛

[bronze torrent]

For raid and 4p KotG ... If a fight takes over 4 minutes I go 2 CA with Convoke in the opener, then wait till Convoke comes up and 1 CA, then wait for both CA stacks and do the "opener" again?

[digital berry]

That’s the plan

If the fight is around 4:30

[bronze torrent]

Which means after 2 and 1 I need to hold CA, right?

for both stacks to come up

Will I delay FoN to line up with the "1" and then again with the "2" at the end?

[digital berry]

So for like plexus you can do 2 1 1 2 since it’s a 7 minute and something fight

You don’t get a fifth convoke to do 2 1 2 1 2

So you just hold the last one

Tbh you can do 2 1 1 2 or 2 1 2 1

Either way you’re holding convoke for a while at some point

[bronze torrent]

Ok, thanks for clarifying

[digital berry]

It’s really all about fight duration

[digital berry]

Fon you just send as long as the cd is lower then the time it takes till ca is up

[bronze torrent]

Uhm, now a bit more complex:

I will hold the third FoN for the "single CA + Convoke", but will I hold the complete Combo for another ~15 seconds until trinket comes up?

[gleaming kiln]

Do u like my mog? 🙄

[lofty depot]

this also changes when the fight is say 3:15

where u hold ur 3rd ca (the 2m one) til 245 ish

then u get a 2nd double

[lofty depot]

uhh 3rd tree u still send at like 115

suppose it depends if ur using potent or not

hm

[bronze torrent]

Generally using potent, but would need to calculate. Not sure that is worth it for my raid though, we will start HC Prog this ID, and Mythic maybe in 3-4 😄

[lofty depot]

without potent

but depends on kill timer obvi

i said 315.... if its like 3m giga fucked regardless

[heavy iris]

do you dump before convoke on opener?

[lofty depot]

big cringe

[lofty depot]

well u dump 2 gcds before convoking

liek such

[heavy iris]

say you have enougj for one surge before convoke do you just send it?

[lofty depot]

u mean a 3rd?

[heavy iris]

yeah sorry a 3rd

[lofty depot]

i think sim does that sometimes

sim does this too

[bronze torrent]

But that needs like PERFECT timing and low latency, no lag, to get everything right

[lofty depot]

what does?

[bronze torrent]

Ah wait, nvm, Trees already running, had a flaw

in my thought process

[buoyant marlin]

guys sry for bothering, im not too active on this discord but i dunno where else ill ask so here it goes 🙂
i looked some parses on soulhunter for how elune talents are casting spells, and something was off for me, i cant understand why everyone casts 2wraths and enter eclipse before incarn, even though theres no orbital strike, pls enlighten me 😄

[bronze torrent]

Wrath is flying, so you can cast it before the pull happens -> more Astral Power

is what I think is the reason 😄

AND

[lofty depot]

habit

[bronze torrent]

as with Incarn / CA you enter the second Eclipse, Sundered Firmament already proccs

[lofty depot]

which is generally worse cuz theyre wasting dreamstate stacks

[buoyant marlin]

so we have 3 foe?

😄

with less effective ofc

2wrath to eclipse + foe + incarn?

[lofty depot]

3 foe?

[buoyant marlin]

fury of elune

[lofty depot]

i know what foe means big dawg

[buoyant marlin]

i mean i tried to shorten it xd

ah

[quiet drift]

If you can prepull enter Lunar without losing combat dreamstates would be good

otherwise not worth wasting 2 globals

[lofty depot]

u might just mean the boundless moonlight one

but yea, wasting the dreamstate stacks on wrath while playing ec is big no poggers

[lofty depot]

i will be clearing my name i did not pad

[buoyant marlin]

i see

[lofty depot]

boomkin do boss dam

boomkin ethical

[bronze torrent]

Off for the night, thanks for the discussion!

[strong bronze]

What boss is this?

[buoyant marlin]

@lofty depot
is this the same reason when raidbot parses, throws single wrath before incarn?

[wild dune]

holy

[dry compass]

that was like an hour ago homes

[wild dune]

ETHICAL gamer

[dry compass]

it took you that long to get a new heroic parse without the pad?

[timber hedge]

in logs is there a place to see Gathering Moonlight stacks from 4p?

[lofty depot]

yea but i forgot and now were here

[lofty depot]

because the aoe apl isnt something that gets worked on a lot

[timber hedge]

it under Uncategorized Buffs but it doesnt show stacks

[pseudo merlin]

yo but why is the feral dreamgrove laggy as fuck

its actually insane

5 minutes to load a dropdown

[stuck quartz]

when are we closing the discord guys

[lofty depot]

hey thats me

[pseudo merlin]

I love how clear the cutoff in the middle there is

Like you have all these specs

and then all these others that are just absurdly much better

[lofty depot]

midd of the boomkin back is just lower than the middle of other specs

[spark anchor]

is 2p2p any good

[lofty depot]

when the high of boomkin is the middle of other specs

wcyd

[lofty depot]

yes

[spark anchor]

gucc

[pseudo merlin]

good thing they hit affli with that -3

Warlock almost became a problem

[lofty depot]

u know what were the kings of?

w shit

well ig this case hunter and mage are better, but top 3 not bad 🙂

[lethal sedge]

Like all the parses on WCL for MFO, balance druids are running charged bolts on their DISC belt. Is this just a glitch or a real thing? lol

[pseudo merlin]

I tried every possible combination of settings to generate graphs

Boomie keeps losing

[lofty depot]

is usually a graphical bug

some people could be wrong tho

[pseudo merlin]

look at arms though

[lofty depot]

Ysa buy fuck them

[jaunty talon]

is boomy okay atm for m+

[lofty depot]

Yes

[stuck quartz]

not for long we all know when they buff us they will just aura buff. We will be gods in M+ and then get omega nerfed again

because blizzard doesn't know how to tune their game

[jaunty talon]

my gears dog, but i also just did like no dmg, and i did same rotation as last season, but it might just be me

[lofty depot]

Well gear being dog isn't poggers

[jaunty talon]

ahah, it also could be because of its a +7, and died quick, just tryna make myself feel better xD

:p

[lofty depot]

Fort is at 7 so should be fine idk

[jaunty talon]

oh nice, ty for making me feel good xD

Because my rotation was the same, uptime was great too

[lofty depot]

Ye rotation hasn't changed, u got 16% buff on patch so u should be doing more damage but if they have gear u can lose obviously