balance

[potent cargo]

[tulip snow]

so I am curious though, what's the real impact item here?

[crisp scaffold]

You

[tulip snow]

obvs

but this is a computer we're talking to

[livid jay]

can u link the sim?

[lucid topaz]

Hero Track Forge or Myth Track Shoulders (to Catalyse)?

[tulip snow]

@livid jay we're just chatting about this

[fringe marsh]

araz no question

[round oracle]

then loot it from hc right after

[fringe marsh]

like that ever drops

ofc u do hc run and normal first

[lucid topaz]

😂

[livid jay]

oh well, its running the sims in question at lower precision cause they dont even make it to second or third round

[fringe marsh]

before taking

[bronze torrent]

Is there a WA to track 4p KOTG Set? Dmg Cap...

[round oracle]

so there was a question maybe

[livid jay]

gonna have to simm less upgrades at the same time if lower dps combos matter

like, just dont sim whats not affordable anyways

[tulip snow]

that's what I was just wondering

I feel like I rarely notice that red dot

so news to me about that

[lucid topaz]

Ok, I took the Heroic Forge Trinket.
What M+ Trinket do I farm to pair with it, until I get Antenna?

[tulip snow]

mainly why I asked about trying to figure out the impact item in the sims

[lucid topaz]

I have Sac Brood and Empowering Crystal already

[tulip snow]

could be the staff bumping up the numbers

[obsidian jetty]

not about an item specifically, it just starts running less iterations on low performing combos I believe

[tulip snow]

ah

[obsidian jetty]

so the margin for error is higher

[tulip snow]

the only time I usually see big differences in sim numbers is tier or weapons

[obsidian jetty]

it will do this on any sim. Generally it doesn't matter because the red dots are under your baseline

will be more noticable when you do stuff like that were you're gaining 300k dps

[earnest sage]

2p now stronger than 4p s2?

[bronze torrent]

Yes

[earnest sage]

Alr chill

[bronze torrent]

Atleast thats what the guides and spreadsheets are assuming 😄

[zealous otter]

For EC 4 set in M+, do you want to just be throwing out FoE off CD or hold for stacks?

[lucid olive]

Off CD

[bronze torrent]

When to Replace Balance Druid Season 2 Set Bonus
You replace the tier set immediatly for both Keeper of the Grove and Elune's Chosen.

The Keeper of the Grove and Elune's Chosen 2-sets are both upwards of 7 & 10% damage gains. This means you'll be willing to immediately break your old 4-set.

[zealous otter]

ty ty, so kinda pointless to track the 4 set? Should just play like its not there?

[lucid olive]

No its worth tracking

Your 4pc stacks can time out going between packs

If they do you want to FoE before or during spreading your dots

[livid jay]

Which is cringe af

I feel like pulsar times

Yelling at my tank

(who wants to drop combat for assa)

[lucid olive]

At least Pulsar didn't time out

[livid jay]

I swear sth timed out once

What was it

Or was that only on my mage alt

[zealous otter]

Easy, thanks !

[nova yarrow]

I have the Nathrian Ferula (2H Staff) Myth 1/6 in my GV.

Is it smarter to upgrade it to Myth 6/6 (723)

or to craft the 2H staff in 720 for 2 Sparks?

Thank you very much!

[livid jay]

U need to sim that

[nova yarrow]

i did... but i think i do something wrong there ..

[livid jay]

Well send it and someone can look

[pallid bay]

CA ran out

you'd just sit with 40s duration

pack explodes, still 15s left

same with frenzy

[nova yarrow]

is it allowed to send links inhere?

[tulip snow]

so it's basically like the old tier set where the number is random

[open harbor]

i just simmed with less items. this is the result. are we fine with this?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gjyyiuBdJJSrGAqT3o4pac

[tulip snow]

still jealous of those M+ legs

[open harbor]

yeah they are kinda sexy

[nova yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cRydiRbaYtvnzCm7sVTSQC

What did I set incorrectly?

I'm only interested in the two weapons, but I don't see the Crafted 2H Staff at the bottom of the Top DPS list.

[lucid olive]

You only selected it to sim 1 spark

[nova yarrow]

I'm not very experienced with Raidbots yet, sorry.

How can I change that?

Alternatively, could someone explain it to me privately? I don't want the whole balance chat to be full just because I don't understand it... xd

[sturdy apex]

is it possible to use double ascension emb, main and offhand?

just curious

[obsidian jetty]

the channel's entire purpose is to help ppl

[pallid bay]

yes

[obsidian jetty]

you can change the numbers of items here at the top of the sim

[tawny root]

Guys is it worth to craft the 2h staff atm? Or better wait?

(No myth weapon from weekly chest)

[tulip snow]

honestly you're only using 1/2 sparks here and getting crafted bracers for the future. I think it looks fine.
@lucid olive I liked and subscribed can I do a one time trade for you to confirm this?

[hollow bobcat]

why does the icy veins say elunes chosen is recommended for ST and then immediately say its bad?

[tulip snow]

saves a spark for if you ever swap to 1h/offhand or another item

[gentle rune]

is anyone else missing the cast of moon's spell? full moon etc... When it will back to meta? )=

[digital berry]

If you need a balance Druid guide. Use the compendium in pins

[hollow bobcat]

just wanted talents

ty

[tulip snow]

that's the spot

[digital berry]

Crafting bracers week 2 is cringe

It’s such a low ticket item

[tulip snow]

yeah but what do you do with a myth track 2H?

[minor shard]

sup ladies, its better 4 from s2 or 2 and 2? m+

[sudden anchor]

hi fam, quick question, got hero on most of my gear, but no luck for any 2set or 4set, is it better to craft a 2hand weapon or offhand and bracer (i have hero 1 hand and hero offhand)

[obsidian jetty]

that's why you generally use the free crest since it's lower iL and lower investment, can use crests on bigger ticket items

[digital berry]

Don’t craft anything and save crests for useful shit

[nova yarrow]

thank u very much sir!

[urban crescent]

is bounteous bloom trolling in raid with 4pc

it linesu p with convoke easier

[tulip snow]

aight so the general census is just take the myth weapon and save crafts/use free crest?

[digital berry]

It’s definitely a case by case situation

[obsidian jetty]

sim it and see the number, make your choice based on that

can play w/e you like as long as you're ok with the dps loss/gain

[hot lotus]

guys myth lily trinket or head with socket in vault?

[digital berry]

That is not even a question

[hot lotus]

had doubts since arazs seems to be the on use trinket to go

[obsidian jetty]

araz is really the only option with keeper 4p

[digital berry]

Fuck lily

Smh

[obsidian jetty]

increases cap, lasts full duration of double CA, good on use on it's own

[digital berry]

I wish we didn’t have to do the cringe double ca

[livid jay]

you are simming 5 bosses at the same time btw
that is an aoe scenario that will almost never happen

[swift elbow]

5 targets for 5 min is a never happen fight xD have we seen such a fight?

[livid jay]

i can tank you a dungeon and keep the mob count at 5 for 5 minutes straight if u want xD

[swift elbow]

In TBC we had some high count bosses but they were all killed 1 at a time

[swift elbow]

Double points if you bring a sin rogue and make sure they don’t get restealth 😄

[gentle rune]

guys, is there a perfect time for refresh our dots? My WA says like 5sec left, but I'm not sure about it

[nova yarrow]

so that is wrong for m+ aoe?

[dim yew]

when simming, what minimum percentage of dps increase should be considered for item/gem changes?

[pallid bay]

0.5 or more i would start consider it

[obsidian tapir]

why did the mdt m+ sim weakaura got deleted ?

[livid jay]

yes -> click the compendium guide that is linked to the channel and go to FAQ.

[urban crescent]

i starsurge at 2 targets without aetherial kindling right?

[livid jay]

https://wago.io/LTwpBiuz_ ?

[obsidian tapir]

lol so weirtd

the old link was not working

ty so much

[livid jay]

yes

[nova yarrow]

ty

[urban crescent]

thanks

[gloomy rivet]

hey little question: Is the Raidbots sim for a Dungeon slice broken atm? Always getting error msg "Your spec does not support this fight style. Change the fight style under Simulation Options". But when i do a patchwerk sim, it works :/

[livid jay]

No, that is correct.

Dungeon slice is not supported for Boomie. Click the compendium guide that is linked to the channel and go to FAQ for how to sim M+

[jaunty blaze]

Why do people assume its broken when its not supported for the class

[gloomy rivet]

cuz it worked the last seasons

[round field]

It didnt work

[jaunty blaze]

And it was always bad to do

[round field]

It just didnt have a message that it isnt supported

[jaunty blaze]

Now its disabled so you dont do it

[pallid bay]

it did..

but it would run anyway

[gloomy rivet]

allright. Thanks for the quick support. Im just a newbie in wow :/

[jaunty blaze]

All good its just a question that comes up regularly

[livid jay]

regularly

is an understatement 😄

give it five minutes

trust

[jaunty blaze]

Im trusting

[fickle swift]

I am seeing boomies chaining CA on opener, as opposed to when trees come off cd like previously, I assume it's due to 4pc to slam the dryad damage in CA?

[edgy quarry]

Hello ! Excuse me to bother you, simple question about the waist S2, which power should I take ? When can I change it ? Thanks for help

[celest narwhal]

Correct

[fickle swift]

Thank you

[celest narwhal]

I think it’s in the guide somewhere on the timings

Basically making CA be up for when your second dryad fades

So all 4 can be CA empowered

[fickle swift]

[acoustic pawn]

Lad's, please help me decide.

This is my vault:
and this is my sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kVXbuDqYSi4FEmyHqyNX7c

The tier pants sim the highest, but they are also very very easy to obtain, the ring on the other hand is very close to our BIS ring. What should I take?

[celest narwhal]

But it is in the compendium and explains it well

[celest narwhal]

If your killing mythic bosses already take what is harder to obtain

Since they are practically the same upgrade

[livid jay]

myth track tier vs hero track ring should be a pretty simple choice?

[acoustic pawn]

Bro thats a myth track ring

[livid jay]

im dumb

i'd jsut take what sims best tbh

you'll get a ring, theres a bunch of good ones

[acoustic pawn]

yeah but I also get pants, and tier pants are not even bIS

[livid jay]

also true

[acoustic pawn]

fuck it

ring it is

[round field]

Wrong

[livid jay]

o7

[round field]

Shoulders are the "worst"

[slate thicket]

Highest sim was with shoulder offpiece
But its really close.

[dense girder]

how are ppl simming almost 4.7M already

i am barely getting close to 4.4

[wispy parrot]

anyone has a good wa to track CE and KOTG 4p?

[celest rampart]

so everyone is crafting, bracers, belt or weapons right?

cant use boots, as need from raid, maybe we craft last tier peice

[livid jay]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

[acoustic pawn]

Why track this lol

[livid jay]

?

wdym 😄

[acoustic pawn]

why track the 4p

[livid jay]

you need to track it for the new opener?

when dryad goes away you press CA and send the two surges

[lyric thicket]

Just press ÇA when dryad fade :3

I got luxltos

[livid jay]

so u gotta know when dryad goes away and its nice to know how long the buffed surges are still there if u mess sth up

and gathering moonlight is nice to know how many stacks u got and when it runs out between packs

[lyric thicket]

We press FoE on cd w/e

[livid jay]

you press fury of elune before you are done dotting a pack?

[lyric thicket]

Nop obsly

[livid jay]

well with 6 stacks of gatherign moonlight you probably should

[dense girder]

if u have 6 stacks that are about to expire

u press it before

[livid jay]

xD

[dense girder]

or durring dotting

[livid jay]

or you just loose a 18% damage buff for 10 seconds cause you're lazy

[lyric thicket]

Guide didnt speak about so i was guessing the rotation didnt move

[livid jay]

it does

[lyric thicket]

W/e the stack then

[livid jay]

[lyric thicket]

Perfect ty i maybe didnt click on gathering moonlight when i check. . Ty

[livid jay]

np 🙂

[lyric thicket]

With a good rng we can pump so good

[acoustic pawn]

how do we procc gathering moonlight lol

[livid jay]

read your tier bro 😄

gain ap with starfire is how

[acoustic pawn]

ah lol

[lyric thicket]

When you press starfire you can I have a stack

[livid jay]

luckily only when u gain ap with starfire

i dont wanna know what would have happened if it was a chance on every starfire cast x

degen overcapping probably

[formal cobalt]

Is there any recommendation on which tier pieces we should aim for?

or which slot we shouldnt ?

[livid jay]

seems to be a bit weird at the moment since stats for single target kotg are not haste mastery heavy anymore but only mastery heavy

with old stats (or m+ stats) which are haste mastery you would drop the pants

with new ST kotg stats apparently the shoulders are worse

[ancient loom]

Hello I'm new and have a question about the 2- and 4-set 😄 and I need a WA where the stacks are displayed for the specc Elune's Chosen 😄 I can't find a right one and I'm not good at writing one myself

[livid jay]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

[ancient loom]

Thank you

[hot lotus]

We play s2 talents without new tierset?

[lofty depot]

U play exactly how u were playing before yes

[lofty depot]

Myth items, also did u send all ur runed

Should be able to be 704 on every item except maybe bracer or belt which is taken by embell and disc belt

[digital berry]

check compendium for OI's pack and use that or pull it from there

[lofty depot]

Weapon is always the first craft. Could be 2h or OH. Bracer is a 2nd craft and u can possibly send an enchanted runed crest into it instead of gilded but need to sim

[digital berry]

no universe im using a spark to craft bracer this week

eww

( Probably worth it with the free hero crest tho )

[lofty depot]

If u craft OH u do

[digital berry]

i have a grand total of 0 myth items and im simming 4.6M

[ancient loom]

Everything is clear I will make it thank you

[digital berry]

need to spam flood for 10 hours to get that damn neck

[leaden birch]

nice, liquid downed nexus king

[celest rampart]

even if just playing mythic plus? was going to go with a lining x 2

[leaden birch]

I guess I went to sleep right before they got the kill

[celest rampart]

yeah, goodbye eu advantage lmao

[lofty depot]

The biggest upgrade in a season is generally week 2 when u craft a weapon

[acoustic pawn]

where is the new opener outlined. I literally cannot find it in the compendium 🙁

[lofty depot]

It probably a pull down that says "Openers"

[acoustic pawn]

yes I did that

[leaden birch]

ye ngl I missed it too when it was under a pulldown

[acoustic pawn]

that looks very much unchanged lol

[lofty depot]

Ud be wrong

[acoustic pawn]

oh my fthank

[leaden birch]

okay thats not even the opener I found lmao

[lofty depot]

Well that's not the opener

That explains the tier set and how to play around it

[leaden birch]

yeah you're not wrong, but I can see where the confusion comes when gamz vid says new opener I'm pretty sure

then he does this new long opener

[lofty depot]

Well the explanation is because he's explaining now a 12 second process

And not a 5 second one

[leaden birch]

yeah I know

I'm just saying

[lofty depot]

But the opener a tab

[leaden birch]

people like me think it's the new opener

[lofty depot]

If only u could read

[leaden birch]

i can't?

thats why i watch videos?

???

[lofty depot]

Clearly not, cuz the tab labeled "Openers" is the opener

[celest rampart]

can I craft a season 1 craft into a season 3 craft?

[leaden birch]

I'm agreeing that I can't read?

???

[lofty depot]

Yes

[celest rampart]

how? vendor aint letting me use new spark

recraft order*

[lofty depot]

Press the icon of the old one and put the new one in?

[leaden birch]

it let me recraft it last night no issue

[celest rampart]

ahh it doesnt show as 2 required in recraft I guess

[magic kelp]

Which one is best for m+ long term guys?

[leaden birch]

dude got all the trinkets jesus

[lofty depot]

Araz prob

All the trinkets but the good one not myth

Araz still just better than Lily tho

[magic kelp]

ty

[leaden birch]

brother in christ this quest makes me follow 18 fucking rats to get these gems?

it was bad enough when it was 12

[lofty depot]

Don't pick that quest up

15 rep not worth

[leaden birch]

is the warrant quest really only worth 15 rep

[lofty depot]

Oh, I thought u meant it was the wq

Idk what the warrant is

[junior thicket]

bought curiosity off an player for 600k, ready to now parse from grey to higher grey

[leaden birch]

whats curiosity

[junior thicket]

lets u purchase set piece

[lofty depot]

Curio

[dense girder]

so what do u guys find bad here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ndX7Yi7bFqQon68g9v5jmP

[hot plank]

If i only wasnt stupid and did not craft the off hand :/

[wild dune]

bald is as bald does

[fiery hull]

You got Araz tho?

[leaden birch]

https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-25352670

[tame relic]

I got those options. One OH is high Crit & low Vers, the other OH is high Haste & low Mastery. What would you guys recommend to pick for the long term? "Just sim yourself" is not helping ^^ Also i dont have a Hero Track MH yet. So is taking Socket and craft 2h another Option?

[lofty depot]

Ur neck

[cloud lion]

If not lucky like those bastard above to get staff from tazavesh craftingn2h is next option?

[dense girder]

sims 12k higher than momma

[lofty depot]

The Crit vers one is one of the weird items simmed to worth with dawn later, but early on I wouldnt be taking off hand from vault

[lofty depot]

What if u consider getting tazavesh staff isn't lucky

(yes crafted 2h is likely the option most should be taking). Use crest efficiently

[tame relic]

So would you just take Socket and craft 2h then, if taking OH is no option?

[lofty depot]

If u had no tier in vault and weren't taking ilvl upgrades, yes

[cloud lion]

I got legs haste mastery but i will probably tier head from vault, cuz those legs are useless. Cant break tier set

Probably take*

[lofty depot]

Don't want haste anyway

Yucky stat

[hot plank]

I have normal one and also hero track Parapodia,Signet and Soalesh :/ i just took the L and took staff

[cloud lion]

no stats gona move me from bench

[digital berry]

Wait you crafted oh week 1?

[lofty depot]

People do be making decisions

[jaunty blaze]

I know a guy who was adamant about crafting a chest week 1

Well he did that

[digital berry]

Nah that’s criminal

[jaunty blaze]

It is

[humble talon]

I tried simming my gear to figure out whether to try and get the kris or craft a 2h and this came up, so I assume its OH craft upgrade

[lone root]

Hello guys, would u take the 1Hand Beledar's hand Mast/Crit Mythic in the vault if you have no trinkets and only hero part in hero raid slots ? My 2 other myth slots are garbage (OH and wrists). Sim tell me to take the weapon and to craft OH and Wrist obviously. I'm more a raider than an m+ player.

[leaden birch]

I'm 5 ilvl lower and sim above you https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kwfsRYJMTfBrDq1StLsYWB

maybe it's your 2nd emb? and I have the cantrip boots

[dense girder]

Dunno i feel abit confused myself

I also have the neck from floodgate but sims 12k than the one i currently use

And this bracers sim higher than the 681 with embelishment

[charred fractal]

why is the robot telling me to go all out crit & vers?

[jaunty blaze]

Because haste is greatly devalued by the new 4pc

And you likely have high mastery already

[charred fractal]

okay, just feels weird to have 18k vers

[jaunty blaze]

Trust the robot

[restive cosmos]

beep boop

[royal zenith]

It's pretty shrimple if you understand what the tierset does

and where your biggest portion of damage comes from

[leaden birch]

really? send top gear sim

[charred fractal]

jeah true, just strange that no guide is mentioning it

[royal zenith]

well you can't always predict everything before a tier goes live

[leaden birch]

we are also running different talents

[royal zenith]

KOTG also just got buffed like a few days before it went live

[leaden birch]

you sure you're using the updated talents off dreamgrove for ST?

[lofty depot]

Looks fine but can't tell cuz u linked a picture and not the sim

[royal zenith]

EC also wants different stats

many reasons why these type of things happen

but at least we dont have a mage adding 400k dps to our sims...

[robust oracle]

one of the most important things in st burst is having enough ressources to send 2 more starsurges before the dryads fade, right?

[lofty depot]

Yes

Well.not

[humble talon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1pbX1UtcmEuQpV8s7UeY7K apologies

[royal zenith]

align dryad's favor + trees + ca

[lofty depot]

Not before it fades

[dense girder]

Before CA ends

[lofty depot]

After dryad despawns, before trees fade, and with ca

[digital berry]

Its obnoxiously tight

I have found myself literally standing still

[lofty depot]

why r ur talents fucked

[digital berry]

Cause even an instant cast would probably fuck it up

[humble talon]

cuz I exported the string in the morning before with probably delve talents ._.

[lofty depot]

Ur also simming crafts with haste mastery

[cedar leaf]

I literally stopped doing it yesterday and just lined trees with CA sue me

[robust oracle]

is that what i am supposed to do in burst? sim does it

[digital berry]

Well you do you, but that’s a huge dps loss

[royal zenith]

you're overreacting

[lofty depot]

That wrath seems weird in there but yes

[royal zenith]

bingo

[lofty depot]

It's not as huge as u might think

[cedar leaf]

I'd be curious to see how huge it is lol

[royal zenith]

there's specific rules you need to take into account

[robust oracle]

i thougt i would hold the next ca for next force of nature

[royal zenith]

that's all

[cedar leaf]

im prety sure its nothing

[humble talon]

should I not ? D:

[digital berry]

Losing 24% on the dryad buffed surges isn’t that big?

[frigid niche]

how to sim aoe fight like m+ ?

[leaden birch]

I'm with emnithy, missing the window is tight

[lofty depot]

U want to double use CA for the 2 big surges

[leaden birch]

it's kinda cringe ngl

[vital hound]

@lucid olive @lofty depot

feelycraft

craft belt?

2x dusk

[lofty depot]

Erhm

[leaden birch]

man, I have been so unlucky looking at other people's loot

jesus

[lofty depot]

Feelycraft, get a new character that one broken

[vital hound]

[robust oracle]

ohh, ok

[lofty depot]

Uhhh does crafting 2h there not make sense?

[livid jay]

he's coping for mythic raid weapon drop

[lofty depot]

He would be crafting oh then

Soulbinder staff not poggers

[royal zenith]

a belt craft

🤮 🤮 🤮

[lofty depot]

697 staff so u can craft belt feels definitely like not the play

Why does blud have 5p

[digital berry]

Greed

Disgusting

[jaunty blaze]

😔

[lofty depot]

The loot council will be notified

[dense girder]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9TaFVeKEPEYcbEJsHRjaSa

this is with momma neck

[royal zenith]

damn that's pretty low dps for 704 ilvl

kidding...

unless?

[digital berry]

Yeah

[low sigil]

got my 4pc from lfr last night https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vwRP3jb41NbCQdT9w3ABRP

[digital berry]

I was tryna figure out why his sim so low

[leaden birch]

ye I have no idea why his shit is so low lmao

[lofty depot]

Is 681 bracer with writhing simming lower

[dense girder]

yes

[lofty depot]

Hm

[vital hound]

i am the council

bby

we have seen like 18 mystic tokens

[leaden birch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eCuzZspAFPiCvEUfiS91vK

[vital hound]

[leaden birch]

why did I re-run his sim and get 4.5

[royal zenith]

that's a fuckton

[vital hound]

yea its ridiculous

need venerated but cant

its fucked

ive just taken spire as well cause no one wants (cause it sucks)

[dense girder]

feel strange AF

[lofty depot]

He rekilled hero and normal and got dreadful on like 7 of 10 bosses

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

But everything worked out, guild as 4p

[vital hound]

we ended up giving two mystic helpers

4pc

lol

[lofty depot]

Loot council successful

[smoky prawn]

We still play convoke with new 4p or we swapping to stronger ca?

in pure ST situations

[lofty depot]

Convoke

[smoky prawn]

tyty

[low sigil]

check out gamz' youtube guide, super helpful

[smoky prawn]

ye was just asking since some people on ptr were playing stronger CA (when it was still bugged and broken)

[royal zenith]

do you mean incarn?

[livid jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/umsWRtHZred9cfWErHkRHH
me when i've sent all gilded crests of this week xD

[torpid skiff]

ive gotten like 6 trinkets from 10s and every single one sims lower than this shit from visions that just gives vers and has no effect please help 😖

[royal zenith]

great and all, but if you send gilded crests on heroic items (minus maybe weapon/trinket)

you're delulu

[torpid skiff]

the only ones that sim higher are the aldani and the prio ones cant get em REEEEE

[royal zenith]

what's wrong with having a good trinket?

[livid jay]

i dont tho 😄

[torpid skiff]

i feel dirty wearing a trinket with no effect

am i playing classic?

:C

[civic gorge]

can it be worth to change given waist for a myt track waist? (good stats on it)

[torpid skiff]

literally just +vers

idk how is it simming higher than 704 dps ones

[royal zenith]

yeah this trinket is way more exciting

it has green text you know

[dense girder]

i found the issue

I didnt had the mage buff and DH buff selected in the sim

for some reason

[royal zenith]

sandbagger!!

[torpid skiff]

WANT

[royal zenith]

bro

[torpid skiff]

gib green text

[royal zenith]

you are delulu!!

[torpid skiff]

gib

[leaden birch]

I think the difference is you're simming weekly and not latest?

pretty sure you should be simming latest

someone else here can chime in and say which is correct

[round field]

weekly bad

latest or nightly okay

[leaden birch]

ty

cupface simming at 4.5 makes more sense now

it's not fair, why cant I get gear 😠

[dense girder]

yeah when i sim now its also 4.5-4.6

[cedar leaf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pD58p9KFHM1AKQuqeZQF6E

10% haste gaming

🤮

[desert talon]

is balance eating good this season?

[round field]

depends if you like eating shit

[desert talon]

despite the PTR nerf, I still see tons of boomie running around in m+ and doing decent dmg

[livid jay]

yea wait a week or two

[royal zenith]

what point is there in doing decent damage

[livid jay]

nah come on deux

[royal zenith]

you need to do good damage

great damage

[livid jay]

if you are getting outdps'd by anything other than a assa rogue or some warlock

you are bad

[royal zenith]

I disagree

because you're not taking keylvl into account

[livid jay]

maybe an ele

well ye thats why i say wait two weeks

right now we are pretty fine

[cedar leaf]

I feel like boomy is fine doing just single or just spread cleave but if you're trying to mixing both it sucks like other specs just have quick snap aoe damage

[royal zenith]

yeah surely it's not all ferals doing higher keys

superfine

[desert talon]

are all lock decent now in m+? I see affliction topping the chart in raid now.

[livid jay]

demo and destro are giga

no clue about affli

[cedar leaf]

lock is insane all specs

in all content

[lofty depot]

The balls run at u

Is pog

[delicate perch]

antenna very pog

slurp

[leaden birch]

we recleared normal and heroic last night

not a single trinket

fkin scammed

[delicate perch]

we had one forge drop

[compact rose]

guys if i picked 2h from vault, hc bracer craft and mythic belt craft with vers is the play right? or should i consider also smth else?

[lofty depot]

Crit mastery yes

[eager pivot]

i just checked wlogs overall for the raid and we do the same dmg as aug?!

[royal zenith]

you know what's even funnier

this includes the DH council fight

loooool

[lofty depot]

Well "we" dont

The avg does

I blast

[royal zenith]

the avg is what matters more though

[lofty depot]

Be above avg

[royal zenith]

no

[compact rose]

crit mastery? ty sir

[lofty depot]

Why are we settling

[royal zenith]

blizzard will buff if average is low

you're playing this the wrong way

[robust oracle]

I tried that and if i do that, i cancel 2 seconds of my ca. So i intentionally do that to get the damage of my 2 big surges into the dryad window of the next ca, in which case my second drayd and there 2 Bug surges would not Profit from the tree damage bonus, right? Do i want to use my 2 surges directly after the second dryad expires, so inside my second ca or does that not matter and just use in rotation?

[leaden birch]

as long as I'm above the rest of my guild I don't really care

jks it sucks

[lofty depot]

1 u shouldn't be canceling that much of ca

[leaden birch]

i pump out a 98 parse just to be beaten by an 89 parse from someone else

[lofty depot]

Either you pressed trees too early or u jumped the gun

But tbf that last global of maybe wrath, doesn't matter

[cedar leaf]

me last night

[lofty depot]

It's about getting the 2 surges in trees and in ca

[cedar leaf]

🤝

[lofty depot]

Should've 99d

[royal zenith]

you get beaten by grey parses, pure raw damage

also the reason why people should never cope with the lil 99 logs

need more raw damage

buff bamkin

[lofty depot]

Kill times are already fucked and it's week 2

[royal zenith]

yeah

[lofty depot]

o7 ur parses

[royal zenith]

it's joever

[robust oracle]

But the second time you dont have trees still running. Press 2 surges inside ca or doesnt matter?

[leaden birch]

[lofty depot]

U don't have trees correct

[royal zenith]

"it would be a real shame if you can't get a 2nd set of double CA + convoke..."

oops...

[lofty depot]

U still use the surges in ca

[lofty depot]

Fight ends at 206

[royal zenith]

rip

actually

ugh

this makes me mad

why did you say that

[cedar leaf]

we should strike like rets imo

[lofty depot]

And every melee like 1.5m cd

So cool

[iron chasm]

I miss haste

[royal zenith]

what's the timer for 2 charges coming up after 1st set arctic

i cba to math

is it around 3min?

[lofty depot]

I'm striking

[royal zenith]

maybe just send 1 charge on pull and 2charge + convoke on dmg amp

[lofty depot]

If u hold 2m?

[royal zenith]

ye

[lofty depot]

Like 310

[inner widget]

I am a little disappointed that a 707 Archirrican whatever is worse in sims than a 684 moxie for me

[lofty depot]

Or 320

[royal zenith]

mhm

[lofty depot]

Maybe 3m with potent

Id have to look

[royal zenith]

the trinket aint that good

so dont be dissapointed

[lofty depot]

Crystal good

Go farm

[lofty depot]

Heroic all went to 4+m except soulbinder

[cobalt junco]

ok sorry i got timed out for calling myself the r word hahah! my friend tell me to go myth 1h, (i have 720 ascendance off/h) but my thought process is for raid dont i want void glass 1h and dimensious trinket. and if not that then just the myth bis neck no? like im so confused.

[royal zenith]

kay will have to cook a bit tomorrow

first time heroic was cringe with new tierset

[lofty depot]

Why do u have 720 oh without a myth main hand hmmm

[lofty depot]

I fucked it a few times

Forgot to press trees

[cobalt junco]

ermm i had a nice hero track main h? is it bad? did i troll?

[royal zenith]

I fucked it many times, cause of the send 2 starsurges

not muscle memory yet

• the fact some shit has to actually die fast(er)

[lofty depot]

A hero track weapon isnt a a reason to craft oh

[jovial sigil]

it's fine because you looted a MH but in general the advice is hold to craft a staff

[lilac citrus]

so when new buffs out single target is so fucking dog tier

[cobalt junco]

but do we not void glass and off h?

[lofty depot]

U got lucky is what happened

Void glass is fine

[jovial sigil]

if you have void glass myth then yes

[lofty depot]

Hero void is fine

[jovial sigil]

but myth weapon > heroic void glass probably

[cobalt junco]

fr fr??

so i do take myth wep

[royal zenith]

the reason most guilds and/or discords like this will advise 2h is cause it's a good craft versus the crests you spend

[cobalt junco]

im out of touch with this game

[jovial sigil]

sim it if you want to be sure

[royal zenith]

you need to sim it ye

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[royal zenith]

and not just your vault

[jovial sigil]

but most of the times weapon just give a lot fo stats so you want high ilvl on them

[smoky prawn]

Does the random starsurge from 2 set also contribute to fury cd?

[royal zenith]

also sim what heroic kris + oh is giving you in dps

do some proper comparing

[lofty depot]

But yea, crafting. 2h is better crest efficiency

[cobalt junco]

aight, gimmie sec

[lofty depot]

What's the over under on his oh being haste mastery

[royal zenith]

if you REALLY want to do it properly, you can even sim items from M+ that you can farm

:3

so you can plan for the future...

[plucky valley]

Do we get our second spark this week?

[royal zenith]

ye

[plucky valley]

Thank you

[royal zenith]

so 2 sparks total

as a confirmation

[plucky valley]

Indeed. Ima craft a staff 😈

[jovial sigil]

Bis list confuse so many people

the number of caster that crafted OH with a normal MH or used gilded to upgrade wrist was ???

[drifting nova]

imagine crafting

[royal zenith]

if you used gilded to craft a wrist

[digital berry]

Bis lists aren’t real and I wish websites stopped pushing them

[royal zenith]

you're out of your mind

[jovial sigil]

Next tier bis list should include crafted staff as bis

probably a better outcome

[drifting nova]

wait til you find out sims are bis lists

[jovial sigil]

for them

[lofty depot]

Number of melee crafting wrist and not weapon is baffling

[royal zenith]

yeah I mean, that's usually the case

[jovial sigil]

generate clicks tho

[craggy sonnet]

arctic tell me what to do

[jovial sigil]

crafting wrist of OH is so ????

like wrist

[drifting nova]

top left

[digital berry]

Have you simmed ?

[jovial sigil]

and then upgrading heroic weapon with crest

middle right for long term

[craggy sonnet]

what would you want me to sim .. i have 4p, no cata charge

[jovial sigil]

just loot part in raid

neck is crit vers right ?

[digital berry]

Brother idk what kinda rings or neck you have

[jovial sigil]

and ring high hatse low mast

[royal zenith]

this is not the resto druid channel

[digital berry]

Wdym what do you want me to sim

[royal zenith]

don't be silly

[drifting nova]

no cata already? enjoy the bench

[craggy sonnet]

thats usually how it goes if you got 4p week 1

[drifting nova]

rolling up to raid with lfr tier

aint it

[jovial sigil]

Just take chest for long term or ring maybe

high versa and ok mast should be good

[lofty depot]

Cata charge or no?

What ring is that

[craggy sonnet]

no cata charge

high vers mastery

dawnbreaker one

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[lofty depot]

Either take chest and cata next week

Or maybe. Ring good?

[craggy sonnet]

ring not bad for sure

[drifting nova]

atleast you wont die to damage..surely

[royal zenith]

I would take socket honestly, you already have 4p

pack it up

[lofty depot]

Yee, it's not best ring so I'm more inclined to say sockey or cata chest

[light seal]

so how big of a dps up is that double cd dryad sthing

[digital berry]

No way you’re suggesting socket, what if he has some dogshit haste mastery 680 ring

[robust monolith]

whats the best way to go to spend the stacks of Gathering Moonlight in plus? do you want ideally to reach everytime 6 stacks before using burst or is completely forgiving and you just cba?

[lofty depot]

Not as big as u might think

[digital berry]

Didn’t gamz say like 100k or smth

[light seal]

so might aswell do same as before but just save ap for double surge?

[lofty depot]

100k is less than an Araz upgrade for me

[digital berry]

Send foe

The whole point of ec is to get cdr on foe and sending it as much as possible

Holding is silly

[cobalt junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a7L2w4wU8SSpvsPAG9iENF did i sim right?

[robust monolith]

so its kinda worthless to track GM stacks and send it at full power

[lofty depot]

I mean, sure but then u won't be critting for 40 mil

[digital berry]

The only reason it’s somewhat beneficial to track is if the buff is expiring soon you can send for before dots on a new pack

[royal zenith]

you wanted to compare it to heroic voidglass no?

[cobalt junco]

i put to max il hc

idk why it says myth track

[craggy sonnet]

@livid jay btw, i'll try to remember your "hold till next tree" idea for 2nd ca surges when i get the time to go over opener things again

or did you already land on it being worse for some reason

did not follow the entire convo

[lofty depot]

Why does bluds ring have no sockets

[cobalt junco]

not enough space for sim

but ofc id add 2 sockets

no premium

[craggy sonnet]

do you happen to have a current "bis" gear sim flying around?

[lofty depot]

Uhh

[craggy sonnet]

rings in contention are both logic gates + priory + dawnbreaker, right?

[royal zenith]

he asked the thing

he really doesn't want to sim his own gear

[digital berry]

He’s refusing to sim his shit apparently

[lofty depot]

What about funny variance sim

[craggy sonnet]

emni idk man

what are you on about?

[lofty depot]

My bis

[craggy sonnet]

cant equip the chest this week, its obviously the highest upgrade with the cata charge next week. it's also obtainable before killing last two bosses from fract.
the ring is also an upgrade but there are potentially better rings to get from raid and vault

[lofty depot]

When r u killing frac doe

[craggy sonnet]

idk

[digital berry]

You asked for vault advice on what to take and refuse to sim your options idk what to tell ya, gotta make a decision

[craggy sonnet]

i did run the sim

and what do you get out of it is my question?

[digital berry]

All the info you need to make your decision

[craggy sonnet]

sure bud

[livid jay]

Yea it's worse

I kinda forgot about harmony

If you add harmony it's clear

I did some math here

And that's without boat value so end of CA/start of next is even better

[lofty depot]

Erhm, can I get exact numbers

Thanks

[royal zenith]

Imagine doing all this math when a robot can do it for you

[livid jay]

I don't know how to make the apl do that xD

[royal zenith]

Maybe its already been done before

[digital berry]

Is that a comparison between double ca or single ca ?

[livid jay]

No

[royal zenith]

Dum dum dummmm

[craggy sonnet]

but you cant ignore the boat value

[drifting nova]

wtf is boat

[livid jay]

It's between when you send the two buffed surges you get after the second CA in the opener

Either in the remainder of that CA which you can just do, just enough time to get the two surges into the CA

Or hold till next trees couple seconds later and send with solar eclipse + trees

[jovial sigil]

balance of all things

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

Im on a booaatt

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/sinking-sinking-golf-cart-malcolm-in-the-middle-smiling-going-down-gif-10976512401242148510

[livid jay]

Yea exactly so the boat at end of second eclipse will make eclipse even better

[jovial sigil]

got baited ...

[royal zenith]

Yup

[drifting nova]

just another tuesday

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/t-pain-gif-9762365

[deft granite]

pick my vault

[drifting nova]

the legs

[lofty depot]

Legs

[drifting nova]

or the hocus pocus spell in 1

[frigid stratus]

any 1 have a simple treant tracker weakaura they want to share?

[drifting nova]

no

[patent girder]

Guys this is most definetly weapon right?

[lofty depot]

Dagger could be fine as well

[digital berry]

I took that exact dagger this week

[craggy sonnet]

there is no more boat value at the end of 2nd CA

[lofty depot]

Download a pack (OiBalance) and copy it

[digital berry]

But I didn’t have any tier pieces in vault

[lofty depot]

Or use it cuz it's better

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sit-bench-gif-4667535

[lofty depot]

It could be

If u like 60% dawn thread

[jovial sigil]

just ask healer to heal

[deft granite]

dont have 4-set yet, would be nice to use that wep before i get the dagger from raid in myth

[patent girder]

So one craft would be dawn thread and the other double embelishemnts?

[lofty depot]

Well it would be dawn thread

I mean, choose 4p or weapon

Or hold til u do rekill

But mythic tier good obviously

[patent girder]

Thank you!

[lofty depot]

But u can get it natty

[patent girder]

The weapon? I do not have a raiding guild 🙁

[deft granite]

ye legs from 2nd boss

[native nimbus]

Hi guys antenna simms more but isnt araz forge better (?)

[livid jay]

You are right..kinda forgot how boat works.... Then we need to put Boat value into the trees+solar calculation but good luck calculating thaz

[lofty depot]

Show sim

[lofty depot]

1 boat < 2 boat

[native nimbus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cz4oxi3HrukuUfNgNoU58b

[lofty depot]

Simming ec

[digital berry]

[lofty depot]

5t 4m

Is definitely a poggers way to find upgrades

[cloud lion]

try 1 min maybe its better

need to pump those numbers

[jovial sigil]

shouldn't there be some notes on dreamgrove for M+ trinket ? Think lot of people will get baited and aime for the same trinkets as kotg

[royal zenith]

The focus for DG has never been m+

[lofty depot]

Baited by funny tier list happens regardless

[royal zenith]

As that content gets relevant like after .5 patch

[livid jay]

So first two globals in an eclipse get 24% crit chance and 21% crit chance from boat

Can we see that as an effective crit chance of 22.5% for those two globals? That would mean 22.5% chance to deal 100% more damage so another multiplier of 1+(0.225*1) = 1.225??? @craggy sonnet

I'm just making shit up tbh

[jovial sigil]

Yeah I guess but since there are talents for M+ thought it could be good to have some trinket recommandation for EC

[royal zenith]

You’re not wrong

But its pain to sim M+

[jovial sigil]

more than 100% if you have astronomical impact

[royal zenith]

Aka very easy to just give out the wrong info

[livid jay]

Fuck my life

[woven sundial]

What is our off-piece from tier this tier?

[livid jay]

I'm not keeping track of all these random ass buffs blizzard invents every 2 months

Maybe someone should sim it then if they have a clue how to make the apl do that

[bitter panther]

Is it better to play EC in raid if your struggling to do the dryad window/boat optimization

[lofty depot]

Boat has been around for longer than u bucko

[lofty depot]

Just go hit a dummy and stop struggling

[lucid olive]

are they different

is antenna and ritual forge also not what youd want for m+

parapodia stinky, voidcore, signet stinky

maybe Lily from Eco-Dome

[jovial sigil]

Did not sim yet since boomy would be my alt but an on use 2 min didn't seem that good for M+. Thought lily might be better and also parapodia since it's quite good for some other specs

might be wrong tho

[leaden birch]

anyone know how the rep from bountiful delves works?

is it random or is it dependent on story

[lucid olive]

2m trinket or not doesn't really matter much

difference between HoC and Priory was overblown last season cause the APL wasn't using them properly

but i fixed that

Incarn still on a charge cooldown so you're not losing any use

[jovial sigil]

more like EC feels a lot more flat and benefit less from on use, people played 2 passive last season no ?

[sudden pawn]

Hello

[digital berry]

Hi

[boreal brook]

EC doesn't feel flat to me at all if you play for the 24% moonlight suffusion amp for CA

[royal zenith]

My EC loadout wanted lily at least

Hope that helps

[lucid olive]

sure

[frigid stratus]

I see people on logs sending 2x CA in opener, i cant find anything on dreamgove about this, is this prefered above holding 2. CA for 2. Treants?

[fringe hornet]

Yo guys, do anyone know what to craft & what embelishments to use? i got 2H weapon in vault, so therefor i don´t want to craft in that spot. I simmed & crafted belt is better than delves belt. So i though about either wrist & belt with vers embelishment or wrist & offpiece "legs" with vers embelishment? Thoughts?

[lucid olive]

wrist and belt with duskthread or dawnthread is good

send gilded craft on belt and the free runed craft on wrists

[fringe hornet]

I have enough gilded with the tier 11 delve first week to get both to 720 ilvl - why not do that?

[lofty depot]

Legs also isn't the off piece

[fringe hornet]

Whats the offpiece then

[lofty depot]

Because wrists are low budge titem

[digital berry]

Cause wrists are doo doo

[lofty depot]

Why use gilded on piss stats

Shoulders off

[leaden birch]

anyone know what the addon is called which tracks/puts your casts on screen?

[lofty depot]

Trufigcd

Details does it but not vertically

[fringe hornet]

So stats on belt is alot better than stats on wrist overall? So better save the gilded for the future or? But you agree with wrist & waist with vers embelishment?

[leaden birch]

ty

[lucid olive]

because if you've done the campaign you have a free 704 craft

and then you can send gilded on better stat budget items

[lofty depot]

Well other slots ur not putting embell on so yea

[digital berry]

I forgot to finish the quest line before killing dimensius this week, I can’t complete the quest can I ?

[lofty depot]

Kill it on mythic big dawg

[digital berry]

On my way! To join echo, benching krona

[bronze tartan]

so I got my 2nd spark now, should I wait to see if I get 1H heroic from raid tonight and then craft offhand plus some third piece, or just go send it to craft 2H with gilded?

[earnest sage]

hey do we craft wrist again on 720?

[lofty depot]

Both are good options to think about

[digital berry]

Scroll up we’ve just been talking about that

[lofty depot]

Choose one

[earnest sage]

oh lol

[lofty depot]

Everyone really likes wasting gilded on shit wrists

[crude void]

Can someone explain to me why Signet is currently simming better then Lily on any ilvl? Does raidbots put on the group buff of the Signet for the sim?

[lofty depot]

Think it's a disease

[fringe hornet]

Btw how do you know that shoulders is the overall offpiece? Just curious

[shrewd warren]

how are we playing with the 4p bonus and keepers of the grove tree ? we only overlap the CA on the pull and then on CD or are we waiting for the 2nd stack of CA?

[digital berry]

It has haste and we don’t want haste

[lofty depot]

Because I simmed it

[lofty depot]

U over lap at 420 too

Depends on fight time

How many doubles u do

[fringe hornet]

You dont want haste as boomie? But isnt Haste/Mastery the prio stats?

[lofty depot]

No

Not any more

[shrewd warren]

okay so if the fight is longer then 420 we overlap and under 420 we use on cd?

[cloud lion]

even for m+?

[fringe hornet]

Not even for M+?

[digital berry]

That’s different

[fringe hornet]

We still play Elunes Chosen no?

[lofty depot]

There's 4 people in here that care about m+

I ain't one of them

[digital berry]

Kotg doesn’t want haste, ec wants a lot of haste

[digital berry]

Well not on cd, every 2 minutes with convoke

[lofty depot]

But as m+ u want haste so I have funny haste mastery rings :/

[fringe hornet]

So do you know what the offpiece is for m+ then

Not raid

Still shoulders or?

[cloud lion]

the one u dont have 🙂

[lofty depot]

Sim it

[cloud lion]

put all 5 tier pieces and sim all dungeons or raid

something will be dps upgrade

[shrewd warren]

yes thats what I meant- +4.20 we wait - under 4.20 we use ca with convoke

[lofty depot]

Don't think it really matters

[digital berry]

Or just take a look at them and remove whatever doesn’t have haste /mastery

[lofty depot]

People used hands last tier

And 5p

[cloud lion]

with all comments im rethinking should i craft weapon

[lofty depot]

U worried about 500 stats ain't the difference in title

[indigo barn]

our stats seem kinda funny. I have Antenna, Moxie Jug and sim still wants me to craft crit/mastery wep instead of haste

[lofty depot]

U don't want haste

U want crit

[digital berry]

Scroll up 5 messages and you’ll find out why

[lofty depot]

Isn't that funny

[digital berry]

Ok perhaps a little bit more then 5

[lofty depot]

Seems we have a lot of baby boomkins

They don't remember the glory days

Or weren't apart of said glory days

[gentle scroll]

Well obviously the class is popping off rn

[digital berry]

???

[half sierra]

balance is so fotm

[lofty depot]

It's not

[digital berry]

Popping off at the bottom of the meters

[gentle scroll]

duh

[half sierra]

everyone wants to have an excuse for being last on the meters

instead of the normal lack of skill

[indigo barn]

if this is glory i want off this ride

give me haste back

[lofty depot]

All the fotms will be gone in a month when they realize meta is rogue, fdk, mage

[lofty depot]

What if I'm not last

[half sierra]

you're playing with shitters

[lofty depot]

True

[pseudo merlin]

Aint no amount of meta ever going to have people play rogue

idk why everyone hates it this muchj

[gentle scroll]

Rouge is crazy right now

[fringe hornet]

So most people in here care about raid and not M+ is that correct?

[digital berry]

Yes

[pseudo merlin]

rogue has been like the least played class since MOP

alongside monk

[boreal sage]

Hello my dear gamers, does anyone else get some massive lag whenevery they press incarn?

[pseudo merlin]

You'll find that in most class discords tbh

M+ is a mini game

[fringe hornet]

Aight tyty

[gentle scroll]

And yet every season one of the specs gets completely broken and they do infinite damage

[digital berry]

Surely there is some m+ oriented discord out there

[pseudo merlin]

Part is probably that it's super easy to join a raiding guild and it's 100000000x harder to get 4 people together for M+ somehow

[dry compass]

Warlock

[pseudo merlin]

??????

[digital berry]

Surely he misread your msg

[pseudo merlin]

Has to be

[quasi bolt]

Hey guys, apologies if this is a stupid question, but why does raidbots seem to prefer that I use 2 piece from S2 and 2 piece from S3 as opposed to 4 piece from S3?

[pseudo merlin]

Changing profile pictures changed you Tytherius

[lucid olive]

real

[digital berry]

Show sim

[lucid olive]

join raiding guild is easy just apply

[pseudo merlin]

Yup

[lucid olive]

doing m+ is hard cause you need to make friends

[lofty depot]

I have to watch dwilkz push keys so I know what people ask about, but doing m+ is not on my fun-o-meter

[lucid olive]

don't need friends to raid

[pseudo merlin]

You need a social engineering degree to play m+

[dry compass]

Lock isn't AS low as rogue/monk but it's consistently the lowest played rdps

[pseudo merlin]

No shot

Anyway I'm talking about least played class

[dry compass]

With the brief exception of evokers before people picked them up

[pseudo merlin]

That's the entire game overal

rogue's been bottom since like post cata

[quasi bolt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f3WtYw1YE3Rmxf8uoFij5c

[digital berry]

What is this sim

[pseudo merlin]

youre simming 1m5t

you need to sim 1t5m

you got it the wrong way around

[dry compass]

Dyslexia strikes again

[pseudo merlin]

this is mickey mouse simming

[quasi bolt]

Also if I want to sim for m+ AoE?

[pseudo merlin]

yeah

[lucid olive]

Yes

but why would you use those talents for m+ aoe anyway

[pseudo merlin]

Alternatively you can use MDT, but I don't see the added value

[digital berry]

Youre also simming kotg for m+ aoe

[quasi bolt]

lol

[severe hollow]

that has to be a ragebait

[quasi bolt]

I'll show myself out.

[pseudo merlin]

no worries

[half sierra]

well, tbf 2/2 in aoe sims higher for me unless there's a big change in ilvl with ec m+ talents

[pseudo merlin]

keep in mind also that you wont have all buffs in m+

[simple canyon]

Starlord cancel macro feels extra value in keys. Cancel at end of your last starfire cast and you have a good chance at getting a free stack from your 2pc

[lofty depot]

Thoughts on holding CA for add spawn on soulbinder and stealing everyone's pad

[dry compass]

If you look at raiding characters its not true but overall pop it is

[lofty depot]

Just need to press at like 15 seconds instead of on pull

[severe hollow]

do you really think anyone here really cares about either of those metrics?

[dry compass]

Whole lotta casuals who never step into raid and none of them play lock apparently

[pseudo merlin]

nah but that initially sparked the conversation

[lucid olive]

well you need to use the 4pc on the adds then

since adds have dmg amp

[pseudo merlin]

Warlock is INSANELY thematic though, esp with those 3 specs

[severe hollow]

fair

[pseudo merlin]

how is that so low

that's crazy to me

Warlock is like pala/druid level thematic

[lofty depot]

Splash surely gets amped

But hmm, could do that

[glacial lion]

do i get my darkmoon sigil on my weapon again?

[digital berry]

For ultimate rat behavior wouldn’t ec be better ? Especially in mythic

[lucid olive]

EC not bad on Soulbinder

until adds start getting blown up in a week or two

[dry compass]

No idea esp because Destro has pretty much always been very approachable, but I imagine it's something to do with how clunky and button-bloat-y the utility is

[lucid olive]

you probably just rip ST shit on that boss later down the line

[pseudo merlin]

yeah absolutely

[gentle scroll]

Destro is like playing EC with its long ass casts

[dry compass]

The casuals see two buttons for circle and soulburn and self damage on burning rush and they say fuck this I'm going back to my mage

[lucid olive]

had to use curses on one armed bandit

[digital berry]

Isn’t new destro very much not like that anymore

[lucid olive]

fuck that shit

[pseudo merlin]

destro is the fury warrior of casters

[digital berry]

Tons of instant casts

[drifting nova]

destro gives rsi too?

[dry compass]

My guild had me cursing everything from sprocket onwards last tier

[lofty depot]

Ws gonna play on soul and araz

[dry compass]

And complained if my uptime was <80%

[lucid olive]

I don't think destro is particularly immobile when I played it last tier

[lofty depot]

And snipe add dam

[digital berry]

Araz ec is ultimate rat behavior

Do not

[lofty depot]

I will be sniping these rat fuck eles damage

And u can't stop me

[gentle scroll]

Even hasted soul fire is the worst button

[pseudo merlin]

yeah destro isnt as immobile anymore

[dry compass]

Virgin EC forgeweaver player vs Chad keeper dream burst the manifestations player

[dry compass]

I used to think this and then another lock told me just never push the button without a proc

[drifting nova]

wait is the addon button gone in lobby

[lofty depot]

Yea see ur chud ass at the bottom

[dry compass]

It's like 0.3% DPS loss and it changes your life

[digital berry]

How many days till dimensius is dead and we get buffed

[dry compass]

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