oops that an old one
#balance
fresh night
fresh night
Exactly, so dumping excess is the way to go?
lofty depot
if u have it yes
fresh night
Fair
tight dagger
is there any updated BIS list for boomie ?
pseudo merlin
Not necessarily
tight dagger
haste sims so bad for me
pseudo merlin
Don't use bis lists ever, we stopped doing that in 2010
tight dagger
i dont want haste xD
lofty depot
i mean, the neck from Floodgate is always better for me then HoA neck
well we dont like haste so yea
welcome to 11.2
lofty depot
helm > hands if were upgrading randomly
digital berry
What is this atrocity
lofty depot
making fun decisions
but u haevnt farmed a 701 ig
boots is also an odd choice when u have a 3/6 araz
tight dagger
araz already 6/6
lofty depot
not in ur sim 
lofty depot
tight dagger
yeah why ?
lofty depot
there are better slots to upgrade than to not
and tbf, this close to reset
should just wait til tomorrow
leaden birch
guys, am I supposed to get the 15 gilded quest guaranteed after completing a T11 delve?
lofty depot
guys, am I supposed to get the 15 gilded quest guaranteed after completing a T11...
ye
leaden birch
I did a T11 bountiful and didn't get the fkin quest item
pallid bay
it shouldnt dump
should convoke
treants -> convoke
if its doing something else its cause APL bad
royal zenith
pallid bay
im allowed to say its bad as cowriter
junior thicket
do i cancel convoke if full points and go starsurge if reaching 120?
lofty depot
no
lofty depot
did i stutter
junior thicket
idk do you?
lofty depot
convoke casts more spells than u can
lofty depot
then it definately casts more than u
junior thicket
minor condor
Should we go for the gear that sims the highest, e.g. the gear used on the sim on simulation craft? i feel like the guides on wowhead and icyveins(bis lists) are way off that ngl
lofty depot
he's got a real hee hee laugh
type shit
minor condor
And also way off when i sim myself
lofty depot
so now were making fun of things people cant control, very ableist
normal pilot
the gear guides are tehre just for clicks
if you're simming yourself you can ignore them
minor condor
i feel like the gear guides are way off anyways with a few exceptions
normal pilot
they're literally clickbait
lofty depot
u can stop with "are way off"
normal pilot
they drive more google search traffic to the site
lofty depot
always sim ur shit
minor condor
i do
but its nice to have something to grind right? i guess the gear used for the highest kotg ST thingy would be our correct "Bis list" right?
normal pilot
no
it might be, no guarantees
and there's no reason there is only one set of 'bis' sets there could be multiple different sets
lofty depot
but its nice to have something to grind right? i guess the gear used for the hig...
u can find things to grind by simming droptimizer
minor condor
Yeah true
junior thicket
love sosa are u by any chance a first second generation blizzard employee
lofty depot
why would anyone want to work for them
spring lodge
i mean, the neck from Floodgate is always better for me then HoA neck
gonna have to sim this
lofty depot
got 16% buff what else u need
junior thicket
double it
junior thicket
a class tuning without a fury nerf is not a real class tuning
leaden birch
can I request for a feature to be added to oi's WA pack
lofty depot
u can try
royal zenith
if you pay at least 50 eu
junior thicket
not a single balance druid in top 400 araz logs
royal zenith
jk...
spring lodge
that fight sucks for boom
minor swift
why is the optimal ST opener 2 wraths then starfire then eventually starsurge? I thought for ST it was always 2 starfire to enter the eclipse that empowers wrath? I think I am misunderstanding, if someone could help
leaden birch
i would pay 50euros to have this feature added
royal zenith
don't be silly, just ask him
if he doesn't want to add it
he won't
cause it's his pack
pallid bay
lofty depot
why is the optimal ST opener 2 wraths then starfire then eventually starsurge? I...
if ur going to cd, it doesnt matter because ca with override that eclipse
wrath has travel time and ur getting 3 casts prepull, its just free damage
leaden birch
don't be silly, just ask him
thats crazy you just stopped him from getting 50 euors
minor swift
if ur going to cd, it doesnt matter because ca with override that eclipse
oh that makes so much sense, thank you!
leaden birch
jokes, I don't even have any euros
junior thicket
wrath has travel time and ur getting 3 casts prepull, its just free damage
u assume people dont start attacking when 4 seconds left on pull timer
unrealistic
lofty depot
u assume people dont start attacking when 4 seconds left on pull timer
i dont lfr, so yea i assume so
leaden birch
I dunno if I'm just bad, but I like having the line that shows how much AP for surge or starfall on the AP bar in WAs lol
is it hard to add that 
dry compass
the classic warrior "I saw the wrath in flight with 3 seconds to impact so I pushed charged and instantly started combat"
leaden birch
<:waiting:1021715874874413066>
can you add something like this >.>
minor swift
if ur going to cd, it doesnt matter because ca with override that eclipse
Ok I see the opener recommendation without CDs on pull just had a wrath in the beginning but does do the normal eclipse rotation, makes sense. ty!
lucid olive
is it hard to add that <:thinkies:578373414348259359>
no it's not difficult, but it can be bad for performance
normal pilot
tape 2 lines to your monitor
leaden birch
leaden birch
fkin pog
dire latch
How good would you guys say our old S2 set was? Chatting about it with a friend atm and wondering what the general take about it was! Cheers!
pallid bay
it was quite uneventful
nothing to track, you did a bit more damage in cds, in m+ you randomly slowed mobs when dotting
it was also mushrooms that do nature damage, didnt make much sense for EC
dire latch
Ye, just the general power-level of it. IIRC it was quite good just pure number wise, no?
leaden birch
yo this is sick
I can see how many surges I've banked up
why wasn't I using this fkin WA pack earlier
pallid bay
think it was alright powerwise
pallid bay
lucid olive
should probably put it in the compendium
???
lucid olive
no there is no joke only serious
leaden birch
buff boomkin!
pallid bay
should make dryad a single icon i think though
leaden birch
honestly, shut down the channel
ye I think it would be nicer if the dryad icon just changes
if you had it like your standalone tierset tracker
dire latch
thinking of going boomie as an alt this season, I mained it in S2 and managed 3.4k before giving in to the crave to go play PoE :> From what I gather we're sitting in the middle of the pack in M+ now? Not high tier but not warrior tier either, ye+
lucid olive
something like that
potent cargo
thinking of going boomie as an alt this season, I mained it in S2 and managed 3....
we're not even a full week into the season
give it time
potent cargo
there'll be a mid tier balance patch that will cook everything anyway
so depending on what your goal is you will know what u gotta do depending on when u play kinda thing
dire latch
ye for sure, just want something to chillax from the chaos that is frost dk after a while
literally having to shove my face into the pixel center of mobs to be able to hit more with frostschythe cuz hitbox is bozo
and I loved boomie last season and nothing really changed from the looks of it so I know I'd enjoy it
digital berry
Couldn’t be me I never early pull ( they always blame me anyway )
fluid sluice
I just blame the shadow priest
vital hound
there'll be a mid tier balance patch that will cook everything anyway
boomkin will get buffed again
and tettles will start getting death threats because he sandbagged
fluid sluice
WRONG!!!! I throw him under the bus
cloud plover
WRONG!!!! I throw him under the bus
I'm gonna grip u under the bus
gripping u LoS during ur dryad window.
stone ledge
There was a wa during ptr that tracked dryad damage cap, is there a updated form of that or does it not matter at all anymore
meager storm
u are always hitting cap
digital berry
Not if you are hitting shields 
meager storm
they should make the amped surges always crit
digital berry
Yeah the rng in that is so cringe
stone ledge
That would add up to what like. 80 mil over a fight more
meager storm
thats the buff we need
storm frigate
what prof's you guys like on your druids? i had taken inscription but i'm not sure if i should just dip off and take alchemy
cloud cedar
and tettles will start getting death threats because he sandbagged
Some sacrifices must be made
lofty depot
hmm log needs to split dryad favor dam
cloud cedar
It’s funny watching them justify it
vital hound
hmm log needs to split dryad favor dam
stop dropping hmm's and pretending you're gas
meager storm
what prof's you guys like on your druids? i had taken inscription but i'm not su...
whatever u like they dont really matter tbh
lofty depot
stop dropping hmm's and pretending you're gas
i didnt notice he did that
vital hound
i didnt notice he did that
lofty depot
i type erhm some times too
hard frost
and tettles will start getting death threats because he sandbagged
Tettles out here doing god's work
potent cargo
shut down the discord
its time for buffs
imagine boomy chat spilling out into the furry containment zone
hard frost
Ret mods might here you and get mad
sudden pawn
potent cargo
hard frost
Tank giving us mercy and pulling big
hard frost
oh nexus king
4p ong
gotta land a couple crit 20m starfires along the way somewhere
lofty depot
hm
hard frost
that's hot
lofty depot
disgusting
hard frost
teach me the way brother
lofty depot
fluid sluice
gripping u LoS during ur dryad window.
my dryad window!!!
hard frost
gripping u LoS during ur dryad window.
casual war crime
cloud plover
cloud plover
Me when I grip a balance druid out of los during their dryad window
@unique kraken foreshadowing
maiden pasture
Me when I grip a balance druid out of los during their dryad window
stop
delicate perch
imagine boomy chat spilling out into the furry containment zone
don't punish us like that
cerulean smelt
What sims higher - hero track krill + crafted off hand vs 2hand crafted?
lofty depot
imagine if u simmed it
cerulean smelt
Imagine if knew how to :/
upbeat seal
funny i was gonna ask something like that too uptill today the baton was simming higher yet when i did one today it says that i should make mh/oh for best dps? now im confused
lofty depot
should try buttong ascendance on it
ur also not crafting mh and oh
u craft staff unless u get kris hero from raid or mythic weapon from vault
also change that to latest
also, it seems liek maybe u dont know yet (haste isnt ur 2nd best stat anymore)
upbeat seal
i just changed to boomy this season for the first time and trying to do my best to not scrub out in guild keys I run and raid
maiden pasture
u craft staff unless u get kris hero from raid or mythic weapon from vault
Is Kris hero only better with the set bonus? (Normally ik I could sim myself just wondering)
surreal sorrel
Even without
upbeat seal
i simmed hero kris and crafted oh befor and baton was simming higher but that's prolly because i was focusing on haste and big second stat
surreal sorrel
Don't forget you can craft bracer with writhing armor banding too cuz you just spent one spark for oh
stone ledge
also, it seems liek maybe u dont know yet (haste isnt ur 2nd best stat anymore)
Crit right
upbeat seal
i have my 681 bracers i was gonna use the story mode reward to upgrade them tomarrow
upper anvil
Is raid crit verse now? And keys the same mast haste?
upbeat seal
is there somewhere i can find the stat balances because when i look on sites they still say haste second for mythic but crit for raid?
velvet parrot
lucid olive
Is Kris hero only better with the set bonus? (Normally ik I could sim myself jus...
you don't really wear the set bonus
the trinket kinda stinky compared to antenna
lofty depot
Is Kris hero only better with the set bonus? (Normally ik I could sim myself jus...
no
its good
the diam trinket is beans
lofty depot
Crit right
and vers
upbeat seal
whats target verse we want to be at?
lofty depot
i have my 681 bracers i was gonna use the story mode reward to upgrade them toma...
u dont craft both mh/oh
and if u dont get a mythic weapon u dont craft oh
2h is crest efficient
lofty depot
whats target verse we want to be at?
what the sim tells u
delicate perch
what will I take from my vault @lofty depot
wild blaze
guys what is balance off piece
lofty depot
guys what is balance off piece
shoulder
lofty depot
what will I take from my vault <@121360917907767296>
myth tier lets go withhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh helm
and then u sockey it with ur week 0 vault sockey yeayeyaeyeae
wild blaze
ok ty
delicate perch
and then u sockey it with ur week 0 vault sockey yeayeyaeyeae
I took tier shoulders from delve vault
lofty depot
delicate perch
radiant wyvern
Hey, I don't think the guide mentions it but is casting 5 regrowths for blooming infusion before the fight better than casting a naked wrath?
maiden pasture
no
minor swift
naked wrath lol
maiden pasture
the cast time and travel time allows you to go 2x wrath + starfire pre pull
loud kettle
It resets on boss combat
radiant wyvern
ok thanks!
minor relic
Hey! Questions is keeper ever better then elune in a m+ enviroment ?
maiden pasture
in low keys where the trash dies quick and u just wanna burst bosses
minor relic
so say 12s up elune is always better?
maiden pasture
depending on group but yeah, my personal advice is always play elunes. What's the point in optimising for low keys that will always be timed when you can just play whatever you're going to play in higher keys
minor relic
oh totally agree! just wanted to make sure our first didnt change anything up etc etc
primal oriole
does anyone know if screams after the massive buffs it got is good for us now ?
maiden pasture
simming would give you that answer to that
loud kettle
Its bad
normal pilot
like all damage procs, it's not good in aoe
blizz purposefully nerfs damage procs in aoe now
delicate perch
asking a question then instantly disagreeing 
hoary torrent
Questioning something isn't disagreeing
delicate perch
they got an answer
lofty depot
It resets on boss combat
yea but i could get a wrath that does double dam
hoary torrent
Sorry didn't realise he spent his only question asking token
lofty depot
So crit/verse when selecting sim stats or mastery/(crit/verse)
u should select like 3 options
delicate perch
that's okay
lofty depot
Questioning something isn't disagreeing
its bad
why
cuz sim said so
loud kettle
seems like it would be good in an m+ setting
Its damage sucks, it was extremely turbo bad before now its just bad
lofty depot
we prefer stats, not damage procs
sometimes the damage proc is good enough
most of the time, its not
hoary torrent
its bad
why
cuz sim said so
I know it's bad, cheers tho
lofty depot
hoary torrent
Same thing right? 
maiden pasture
Same thing right? <:Pepega:705178407570374686>
so real
lofty depot
yea but i have a cool color
delicate perch
That’s expert surely
mighty mica
green 🤢
lofty depot
greeny yucky
maiden pasture
green is the real colour
lofty depot
thats like a resto color
delicate perch
Healers 
radiant wyvern
Just making sure, but we CA for Dryad's favour even if it already will last for 2 GCDs just to get the buffed Balance of All Things up?
spark kite
From vault s it better to take champion Lily of the Eternal Weave to replace hero house of cards or a hero head piece for catalyst, 0 pc tier so far tho 🙁 Lilly barely an upgrade sim wise
meager storm
hero piece prob
lofty depot
I guess that's why it's asp lol
sorry, yea if its just the 2 gcds and not before it
u send with 2ish seconds left on buff
lofty depot
From vault s it better to take champion Lily of the Eternal Weave to replace her...
no point in taking an item u can farm
oblique rose
Boomie in guild keeps whining like a baby for PI while they're already going to Dev Evoker, Enha Shaman, Afflock and Survival if there's a spare.
He genuinely won't shut the f up about it every pull on how it'd make his convoke so good.
What do I do besides taking him out the back. Is there a cure?
lofty depot
boomkin shouldnt be asking for pi
telling him to grow up
convoke doesnt scale with haste
lofty depot
hes just blatantly wrong
lofty depot
now pi me in m+ cuz i can get more starfires tho
but in raid, its like the last class u pi
oblique rose
telling him to grow up
He told me to grow up because I told him to stfu or get server muted 
mighty mica
lookin like a mute angle then
oblique rose
lookin like a mute angle then
Oh hi thyme
lofty depot
if that doesnt work, u should grip him while hes casting wrath
mighty mica
Oh hi thyme
wait, are you in a guild with chai?
oblique rose
and tell him hes wrong
He says that sims don't matter because we're not doing 100 parses 
potent cargo
painful lol
lofty depot
raw damage increase is bigger on not his spec
potent cargo
@glossy jungle link the clip of sep taking PI
oblique rose
wait, are you in a guild with chai?
No, but this individual has been driving me insane for a couple months
mighty mica
ooh fascinating
lofty depot
and pi again doestn effect convoke
mighty mica
chai asked me about hasted convoke not too long ago
potent cargo
"im taking pi because im a better player than you" 
glossy jungle
delicate perch
I love getting haste for dotting/convoke
potent cargo
peak content right there
delicate perch
kinda insane actually
potent cargo
rare clip with no oce behaviour
lofty depot
damn he really needs that pi to get below 5k
sturdy wind
Hello question about EC 4set, should I send FoE's on cd or wait for a specific number of stacks (4 ou 6 maybe)? Or just use foe before Celestial Alignments?
sturdy wind
thanks
trail oyster
u still foe before ca yes
i thought with 4 set you specifically pop FON 2 globals after CA
my b thought you said FON not foe
digital berry
wrong hero tree
oblique rose
damn he really needs that pi to get below 5k
lofty depot
Needs that pi so he can 90 parse instead of just playing better
oblique rose
Needs that pi so he can 90 parse instead of just playing better
I mean, he did say "PI should go to those who want to parse" so probably
delicate perch
lofty depot
I mean, he did say "PI should go to those who want to parse" so probably <:terri...
What if I told u, he doesn't parse the best in said guild
He wants to parse, and thinks Pi will take him to the promise land
dapper wing
I actively say don't fucking PI me
we have so much anti synergy
Dryad doesn't scale on pi
convoke doesn't
we already just don't do that much damage anyways
like it's so shit, your losing so much raid damage by piing the boomie
If you need pi to parse you shouldn't be parsing
graceful heart
At how many mobs is it just not worth it to try and dot all of them with moonfire and just get a few then sunfire and start AOE rotation?
wild dune
graceful heart
if they gonna live long enough
but wouldn't it be a massive DPS loss to keep dotting a large group on the first lust pull of a dungeon instead of starting your starfire casts?
delicate perch
mastery gud
lofty depot
but wouldn't it be a massive DPS loss to keep dotting a large group on the first...
if they live long enough no
potent cargo
but wouldn't it be a massive DPS loss to keep dotting a large group on the first...
read ur mastery
delicate perch
large group implies 2+ packs which means you won't be hitting all with starfire for a while regarldess
potent cargo
and you've be surprised how fast you get your dots out
bc realistically ur spamming mf on mobs
as they group
and then 1 maybe 2 sunfire
and then ur popping off
graceful heart
i mean more like the large 20+ ate the start of dungeons with lust but ok
delicate perch
mastery
graceful heart
sounds good
potent cargo
every starfire ur doing without dots up is reducing ur dmg a lot
starfall dmg into the bin too
same w foe etc
since astral double dip on mast
if a pack somehow is only living 5s then yeah sure but thats some +5 key level shit yk
minor relic
So idea is moonfire everything as they pull / group then bang sunfire and just go nuts with normal rotation?
lofty depot
yes
potent cargo
yezzir
minor relic
i love doing it early and accidentally taking aggro 
minor relic
TRUE
potent cargo
one baby heal rip threat have to insta meld or it's night night
minor relic
the worst pain was playing boomy on stix mythic, and having starfall up permanent but ripping aggro off every hyena that spawned...
lofty depot
shouldve not stood in the middle of the room
minor relic
i was always behind my tanks
lofty depot
doubt
digital berry
I’d sacrifice vortex and typhoon for a crumb of dmg
minor relic
reef surge
whats our stat prio?
reef surge
I don't have it or the 2pc yet. Just started this alt
delicate perch
stats are fake and inflated just sim it, haste stinkier with 4pc keeper
frozen oak
how do you sim you boomies? dungeon slice isnt working
mighty mica
1t5m lazy sim, mdt for more confidence, read the compendium for more info
dslice was never usable for balance
bitter sedge
Am I crazy or is moonfire just not wanting to hit Dimensius unless I’m in his gooch
normal pilot
they fucked up his hitbox
bitter sedge
feels bad ):
cloud lion
Why are we so bad in raid can we cry more for buffs?
normal pilot
you can if you want but it doesn't matter what you do
they'll adjust after rwf is over
dense steeple
^
and then you wont get one anyway cause boomkin is meta in keys according to everyone who influences and isnt tettles
normal pilot
well they don't care about what those ppl say neither
cloud lion
Also guildmate crying how good we are in pvp bg
normal pilot
it's just w/e spreadsheet math they use in their heads
cloud lion
Cuz its important for pve player
drifting nova
are delves still higher than a non m10
normal pilot
balance being shit has nothign to do with other players, it's entirley on blizz
drifting nova
balance being shit has nothign to do with other players, it's entirley on blizz
cries in arms
cloud lion
Keeper playstyle is ass need to time everything and pray not to do any mechanics
But they have 2nd spec
Dont say we have also cuz its different going from range to melee and melee to melee
stark arch
I see the sims are saying I need more crit on single target fights. Did stats change at all? I was still tracking Haste/Mastery
lofty depot
I see the sims are saying I need more crit on single target fights. Did stats ch...
yes they changed
stark arch
yes they changed
Is it just for single target?
lofty depot
yes
sick cape
hi everyone, coming back to boomie after playing evoker last season. is kotg and lunar similiar in dps or is 1 heavily outperforming?
red nymph
Stay evoker for sure
tropic pollen
Heroic voidglass kris or crafted until a mythic one?
leaden birch
Sim it but from what i saw, crafted 2h until mythic kris
lofty depot
hero kris does sim better
leaden birch
Does it? Guess i gotta resim
lofty depot
betterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetterbetter
craggy sonnet
and it was bang equal
lofty depot
gonna bang equal u
craggy sonnet
and then gave it away
im interested
anyways, gave it to the wl who already crafted oh
betting on that plexus sentinel mace now
leaden birch
If heroic kris = 2h crafted then ig i got nothing to worry about
dense steeple
Who cares we goin 3rd dh spec next xpac anyway
desert imp
guys can anyone guide me on craft for next week? do i craft other pcs instead of 2H and get 1H/OH crafted + trinket (if that out dpses) 2H crafted? i will get prio for weapon/trinket
i am not sure how to simc the 2H weapon craft vs weapon/trinket combo (heroic)
craggy sonnet
the trinket is ass
desert imp
so even with the combo its not worth?
lofty depot
guys can anyone guide me on craft for next week? do i craft other pcs instead of...
u craft 2h unless u get hero kris or a myth 1h
in which case u craft oh
and then craft bracer (with maybe enchanted runed crest u get from campaign)
but i ahvent simmed that part
lofty depot
704 is good
craggy sonnet
thats for sure worse
leaden birch
Wow liquid is going to run 4 fkin mages for nexus king
Mages can't keep getting away with this
wide dawn
Wow liquid is going to run 4 fkin mages for nexus king
Giving NAmore advantage other than reset 🙂
digital gate
is there a good Gathering Moonlight tracker from the tier set?
blazing thicket
is this good for us
its heal trinket but i can regrowth to proc 16k int, with mastery stats, and can trigger it when i want at the same time with on use trinket
feels like it could be useful ?
sometimes raid trinkets dont work at full efficiency for other specs. but i tested and got the full int
blazing thicket
i feel like most of our dmg is invested in our short burst, and i can proc that every 30 seconds for 16.4k int. can be up for every single CD
just takes a regrowth to proc it
digital berry
Test it out
stone ledge
finding who gets the oath every 30 seconds just sounds like downtime to me
blazing thicket
just need a WA to track like any trinket lol
also i noticed there dont seem to be a limit on how many it goes on, while waiting infront of bosses, it can end up on every raid member by the end of break
digital berry
It can end up on los targets and out of reach targets too probably
teal elm
Are we still starting in bear form for prepull in raid? I'm living with the new 4pc, if that changes anything there.
digital berry
Are we still starting in bear form for prepull in raid? I'm living with the new ...
Are you taking the talent that made bear form relevant ?
Actually, they reworked that didn’t they
You don’t keep the stats anymore do you
teal elm
I think the answer is no but I also couldn't find a definitive easy answer
digital berry
We don’t have the „keep the bonus for x seconds after you leave the form” part anymore
teal elm
Yeah, I don't remember where it came from but I'm not seeing it anywhere in the class tree anymore. Thanks for confirming!
digital berry
Not that it actually did much to begin with
teal elm
Yeah but it was a fun to be a random bear sitting at max range on every pull
digital berry
7.2% of 0 from the bench since our 4p doesn’t work with shields
leaden birch
7.2% of 0 from the bench since our 4p doesn’t work with shields
nani?
digital berry
Check the pins real quick
round field
Shocker
delicate perch
first boss is a meme anyway
round field
Just play ec
delicate perch
livid jay
man this low haste in raid build feels omega dogwater
iron chasm
Yeah it doesn’t feel nice
cyan thistle
Any chance we get a buff this tier? We're so low in dmg charts 😢
jade flume
There is a chance
cyan thistle
There is a chance
🙏
fervent hedge
Have yall simmed what ring is better than myth jastor for yall?
lofty depot
priory ring
left kraken
how does 2p work exactly ? how do i make the driad cast starfall, it seems to be casting starsurge or is it random ?
pallid bay
it'll cast it instantly
the starfall is centered on you though, not something you have to think about really
pallid bay
if you click the arrow on starfall it'll prob expand and show both yours and dryads
lofty depot
that sounds like witch craft
lofty depot
i only see starsurge
it also only casts 5 surges
autumn fulcrum
Sosa do you have any tips on ST balance I have the m+ aoe side down but I’m struggling a bit on ST
left kraken
if you click the arrow on starfall it'll prob expand and show both yours and dry...
it doesnt say dryad but i assume its hers 
autumn fulcrum
I know you’re an avid fat owl enjoyer
lofty depot
Sosa do you have any tips on ST balance I have the m+ aoe side down but I’m stru...
raid st or
autumn fulcrum
raid st or
Having trouble with both
left kraken
so basically free 10% dmg just for having 2p. thats strong
lofty depot
well its not 10%
lofty depot
Having trouble with both
uhh its generally just canceled casts and asp usage
would need a log to show
left kraken
i mean on this particular pull
autumn fulcrum
would need a log to show
Swagmooman-Dunemaul EU
lofty depot
yea surely theres multiple swagmooman's
autumn fulcrum
Okay
autumn fulcrum
Yeah 2x 2pc
lofty depot
but also, those 2 surges before ca dont make sense
like why would u send 2 big damage abilities right before ur going to use a cd
lofty depot
and then this is a mistake a lot of newer druids make... ur sending 2 surges at a time
presumably emptying ur asp
autumn fulcrum
I started playing Druid last 3 weeks of last season
lofty depot
also same situation with trees here
autumn fulcrum
I’m a diehard rogue main
lofty depot
u sent surges before tree
thats a lot of movement for something i can do with 1 wild charge
autumn fulcrum
Yeag that makes sense
lofty depot
i ahve time to wildcharge over there. cast forever and then wild charge back
i could just surge back but nonetheless
u wildcharged, spammed dots and dash
i better be crossing halondrus bridge or some shit
autumn fulcrum
Yeahh 😂
autumn fulcrum
My raid team is also filled with individuals who want to place all the things on top of the casters
autumn fulcrum
Okay, this class is very different from rogue
Like I said I just started like a month ago with this class
And was playing guardian only in m+
lofty depot
trees on cd (generally, u can save the 3rd one sometimes)
ca with trees, (this is the 2nd trees usually but is different with new tier)
convoke with ca
autumn fulcrum
trees on cd (generally, u can save the 3rd one sometimes)
ca with trees, (this i...
How is it different with new tier
lofty depot
so u sent a nakde convoke
autumn fulcrum
I have 4 set tomorrow
lofty depot
well u double ca on opener
then ur next CA is at 2m with convoke
so thats #3
then your 4th and most of the time 5th CA is another double ca to get the buffed surges in a new ca window
thers a video guide in the compendium shnowing this
lofty depot
But then once u get that down, is ur asp usage where ur dumping a lot and then having to move
tawdry oak
well u double ca on opener
With the double CA on opener now, do we use convoke during one of them?
tawdry oak
Gotcha
lofty depot
Then u can at the last 2 seconds of trees and aen d2 buffed surges
minor swift
so the new opener is double CA, convoke and trees?
I'm thinking my issues are movement, asp usage but cant figure it out - wow analyzer says I've got little ap wastage and dot downtime - so maybe its lining up the CDs
craggy plank
compendium says only use treants with these conditions in ST, am i just meant to hold trees until my next ca if i dont have either charge?
also do i still double ca if i dont have 4 set
minor swift
compendium says only use treants with these conditions in ST, am i just meant to...
that's how I read it too
minor swift
unless it means, if Convoke cooldown is longer than 25 secs, cast trees, if less than 25 secs, wait and cast in convoke
craggy plank
ah that makes sense
i guess you have to send a natty trees at some point since the cds are different
minor swift
I am new to druid though so hoping someone can confirm haha
lucid olive
compendium says only use treants with these conditions in ST, am i just meant to...
You use treants if Convoke cooldown is longer than 25 seconds
craggy plank
ok yeah i assumed i was a moron, thanks for clarifying
lucid olive
It says "if any of the following are true"
lucid olive
unless it means, if Convoke cooldown is longer than 25 secs, cast trees, if less...
Yeah more or less
lofty depot
so the new opener is double CA, convoke and trees?
It's not CA CA surge surge tree convoke... The double CA just means ur using both in close proximity
Where normally it would be at 0 and 2nd at 30s
craggy plank
2nd CA is for the dryads favour buff right
lofty depot
Yes
minor swift
It's not CA CA surge surge tree convoke... The double CA just means ur using bot...
sorry, yeah, i mean use both in the opening period! I watched Gamz's video on 11.2 last night, it's really helpful to see it alongside the compendium
craggy plank
ok so if i dont have 4 set, do i send second ca at 30 seconds?
lucid olive
ok so if i dont have 4 set, do i send second ca at 30 seconds?
Yes
lucid olive
There is a checkbox on compendium for the 4pc
If you uncheck that it should default the priority list to the old one
craggy plank
tysm
long nova
Do we still play elune or kotg?
safe kite
Log a 98. Look at log. Be below a mage parsing in his 60's. Be happy that blizzard murdered the set because we wouldn't want to be anything but useless anyways, that's for nerds.
lucid olive
Log a 98. Look at log. Be below a mage parsing in his 60's. Be happy that blizza...
Banger spec tbf
safe kite
Absolute fucking slamming it. Imagine if they had not nerfed the set you might have beaten that mage, absolutely crazy
minor swift
it'll get fixed for sure
lucid olive
Surely
chrome iron
Hello, could someone explain me how do I proc 4s as elune chosen hero talent, is it random trigger for stack or some exact spell?
safe kite
it'll get fixed for sure
Any decade now.
lucid olive
Hello, could someone explain me how do I proc 4s as elune chosen hero talent, is...
Fury of Elune
verbal brook
🔒
safe kite
Hello, could someone explain me how do I proc 4s as elune chosen hero talent, is...
Starsurges launched by starfire stacks it and fury of elune uses them.
chrome iron
Starsurges launched by starfire stacks it and fury of elune uses them.
ty ty
rose garnet
i want to thank blissard for making me learn feral finally
drifting nova
a fate worse than death
prime pewter
i tried switching to feral because i saw a graph with balance druid at the bottom
but moonkin is too appealing
drifting nova
i tried switching to feral because i saw a graph with balance druid at the botto...
we must be looking at different graphs
I'd like to play arms 🙂
drifting nova
oh no
prime pewter
rip is the discord for retail
drifting nova
quiet drift
rip is the discord for retail
/classicdruid
gentle patio
I think boomkin is fine in raid now. You do dps for the first 24 seconds and then you can do mechanics for everyone instead
livid jay
yea and if you miss the damage amp you can just log out
this some ravenous frenzy type shit
jaunty blaze
Nothing to ruin if you main balance
lucid olive
yea and if you miss the damage amp you can just log out
the spec is so good
livid jay
back to tank damage between amps xD
jaunty blaze
God help you if you need to do some cleave tho
livid jay
guys guess who's opener this is (hilarious)
clecia btw
jade flume
Is clecia a boss in the raid or sth
livid jay
we had a discussion in here last week if you press trees 2 globals or 4 globals in and he said dont trust dreamgrove keep greenlogging if you do
and now hes doing what dreamgrove said last week xD
jade flume
I wish i was greenlogging 
obsidian girder
round field
Impressive
devout solar
tactical sandbagging o7
round field
<:yep:714132473113477153>
How does it feel to be worse than 98% of the playerbase
jade flume
Resto druid arc
obsidian girder
How does it feel to be worse than 98% of the playerbase
that was Dimensius HC. i was dead in p1 cause a puddle i couldnt see
round field
Noob
jade flume
Nothing 1 shots on dimensius tho, healers heal angel
Ok actually the soak spawning does i think
obsidian girder
yes
jade flume
Some homies did soak the presoak
gentle patio
don't be fat so you can see the puddle next time
storm frigate
How does it feel to be worse than 98% of the playerbase
it's a tough job, but somebody has to do it
obsidian girder
the one time i died in p1 and we killed it ofc
jade flume
That is the law
gentle patio
I never play incarn because it increases model size and then I can't see puddles
obsidian girder
im always in astral form
royal zenith
<@182925977935020032>
Is it mine? (I have no idea)
livid jay
no its clecia
round field
I never play incarn because it increases model size and then I can't see puddles
Just glyph of stars
Noob
drifting nova
im always in astral form
straight to jail
maiden pasture
any vods of moonkin tazavesh hardmode
lucid olive
sune probably
maiden pasture
not that i could find
vale pebble
he didnt stream
he was afraid of my hatewatching aura
cause he did reverse curse on me
he wouldve been fucked
lucid olive
he streamed the practice
pallid bay
@boreal knot
pallid bay
we almost wiped twice though
0.2 kick on hylbrand
and like 10 adds running around on captain cause our tank forgot to talent dnd slow and didnt tell us at all
maiden pasture
😭
maiden pasture
vortex or mass root? feel like mass root doesnt last long enough but also 30 second shorter CD
jade flume
Just burn boss on god
pallid bay
grab cyclone cause why not
jade flume
Boss dies in 1min its gg ez
maiden pasture
can we do that with lock hunter moonkin 
jade flume
But if it lives long its chaos
Also the add hp is really low
Can kill if one gets away
pallid bay
honestly the 2 far ones are simple
single root one
kill a single one
they have like no hp
jade flume
I just hope we dont troll next week again
Bosses will be easy
But all these dumbass 1 shot swirlies
Can still int the run quick
pallid bay
yeah..
maiden pasture
mailroom is probs a joke as bamkin tho right
jade flume
Something different
maiden pasture
u just solo like 3 briefcases
jade flume
Man my extra action button is perma bugged
pallid bay
u just solo like 3 briefcases
ye
jade flume
Whenever i pick something up i insta throw it wherever my mouse is pointing
So i machine gunned briefcases around the room and wiped us in a alt run
Was great
maiden pasture
Whenever i pick something up i insta throw it wherever my mouse is pointing
this happened to me in a key
hope it doesnt happen in hard mode today
maiden pasture
ty
jade flume
We decided i just dont pick them up lmao
maiden pasture
my warlock will carry 
bro has mythic soulbinder staff and heroic fractilus trinket
pallid bay
can we do that with lock hunter moonkin <a:mhm:1262397258733981767>
this was our comp btw
maiden pasture
pallid bay
with dk tank
jade flume
Lmao
pallid bay
man i dont want to play fearl
vale pebble
yea but did u see how bicotti died
pallid bay
yea but did u see how bicotti died
vale pebble
<:waiting:1021715874874413066>
go look our disc idk
its like 2days ago im not searching for that
pallid bay
gg afking trash
maiden pasture
that packs a scary pack to pull without CC'ing one aswell tbf
most groups i've seen are like trapping / caging a caster
round field
AHHAHAHAHHAHAH
frigid niche
what is better for m+ KOTG or EC with set or no ?
round field
@quiet drift dog
maiden pasture
people like clearing the area
pallid bay
maiden pasture
no chance of ninja
maiden pasture
what is better for m+ KOTG or EC with set or no ?
EC always, kotg can be better in low keys but not worth thinking about
jade flume
Ye we cleared a lot too but we didnt have a double caster on the big boi
Unless they pulled 2 packs
maiden pasture
ye
maiden pasture
taza hard mode actually such good content farming
potent cargo
give me gromnak hm taza
jade flume
If u arent good enough to do easy dungeon without dying
cloud plover
its annoying that you should do it every week but
we don't know that yet
jade flume
U are noober and dont deserve the myth track item on god
cloud plover
I'm praying it's one time only based on achieve 🙏🏻
jade flume
Nah no shot its one timer
dense steeple
I got auto modded
jade flume
Also bis in slot trinket for looqd
dense steeple
But I said im not doing hm taz every week
livid jay
can someone send this boomkin the hd icon pack
dense steeple
Blizzard cqn suck my nutz
cloud plover
Blizzard cqn suck my nutz
very real
jade flume
Ill do it every week but on alts probably
maiden pasture
the warlock in my hard mode run today has max mythic weapon already
jade flume
Not on alts*
dense steeple
I dont even want to do my 30 +10s every week
jade flume
I think 8 is cap
cloud plover
observe me dying to first boss
dense steeple
Dies to first trash pack
cloud plover
that happened to me in my first streets m+
I walked forward
so now it won't happen again
dense steeple
Just dodge the dot
urban hazel
better craft offhand + dagger or 2hand craft?
lofty depot
If u have hero Kris or a myth weapon sure, otherwise 2h
storm frigate
we earn our 2nd spark today but do we also get our 2nd natural catalyst charge today too?
storm frigate
womp womp
cloud plover
If u have hero Kris or a myth weapon sure, otherwise 2h
is hero kris actually good for ur bozo spec
it doesnt win on most others
wonder why here
leaden birch
Hero Kris is quite far behind in my sim
lofty depot
Behind what
cloud plover
crafted staff should win in all cases, less crest spent & more dmg usually
lofty depot
It simmed like 0.7% better than plexus mace at 710 and it's like 1.3% worse than 723 Plex mace
lucid olive
it doesnt win on most others
Have you included using a 2nd spark in that sim
lofty depot
cloud plover
Have you included using a 2nd spark in that sim
this is my priest
lucid olive
Assume dagger sim spends 30 more gilded
lofty depot
Dagger spends 30 more yea
cloud plover
704 kris & 704 wrists (dimensius craft)
lofty depot
Gear compare bad
cloud plover
Gear compare bad
nice try but anyway
cloud plover
this is with kris at 710
so its closer there but also spends more gilded
aka cringe
lofty depot
Idk what nice try means, but u should be using top gear
lucid olive
Should use top gear instead but yeah, the difference isn't huge anyway
cloud plover
topgear changes nothing about these sims in most cases
so its fine
but just for the sake of it ill go make one
lofty depot
Ur also simming haste mastery
lucid olive
Yeah I mean, you can mow your lawn with a pair of scissors as well, but you can get the job done easier with a lawn mower
cloud plover
Ur also simming haste mastery
note this part please
lucid olive
Ur also simming haste mastery
It's a shadow priest
lofty depot
Then IDC what ur sim says about my class having Kris be better
cloud plover
its like u missed half the context
of me asking "is it better for balance cuz for my other specs it seems to win out in most cases"
and then yapping about that
lofty depot
U know fair
But that's like saying Araz crazy for boomkin and less crazy for others
Well no shit, theyre different classes
tawdry trellis
My sim is telling me that Empowering Crystal and So'leah's are my top 2 trinkets I should be going for in keys... surely that's a bait right?
cloud plover
yeah but im wondering what the difference is between a shadow priest with kris and balance, what makes the difference
u feel me
lofty depot
Ur class is good
And mine isnt
That's the diff
My class does damage with 1 spell
lofty depot
My sim is telling me that Empowering Crystal and So'leah's are my top 2 trinkets...
Crystal p good
clever ibex
Shhhhh
lofty depot
U got 16% buff while others have to get tier
tawdry trellis
but I thought targets were Ecodome trinket + Priory
tawdry trellis
lofty depot
So u might be in some weird niche of properly geared and get fucked
cloud plover
im trying to do a topgear for this but its gonna be omega wack so i prob fucked up somewhere 
tawdry trellis
also seeing pants as top piece to catalyze seems weird
lofty depot
Why is that weird
tawdry trellis
I thought we wanted head, shoulders, chest, hands
lofty depot
Just wait til ur sim tells u to drop all ur rings and get the mastery vers ones
lofty depot
I thought we wanted head, shoulders, chest, hands
Who be saying that
cloud plover
I thought we wanted head, shoulders, chest, hands
in todays news, what you want depends on your stats and isnt actually set in stone
frank grotto
I thought we wanted head, shoulders, chest, hands
Dont follow wowhead guides, always sim ur character
cloud plover
maybe i just steal bis profile and see
jade flume
This doesn't mean crystal and so'leah are ur bis and better than signet
Why not
If robot says it i listen
Who am i to disagree
lofty depot
Hmm, that's funny cuz I told tettles to update it
Clearly hates me
He even said that's good comms
😭
leaden birch
nvm arctic is correct, I always forget to sim the 2nd spark with OH
704 kris is .3% ahead but uses more crests
leaden birch
yeah I spent a lot of time of time simming last season just to end up crafting a 2h staff
lofty depot
Most people should likely craft staff