balance

[leaden birch]

i'm so confused

[lofty depot]

Hold

[round field]

Dont trust dreamgrove

[lofty depot]

Don't trust u

[round field]

Not my words

I saw the sims

[full sleet]

According to the icy veins guide it looks like the m+ elunes chosen build and rotation is the same as last season, right?

[round field]

Holding 4 sec massive dps gain

[round field]

Yes

[lofty depot]

Yea

[lofty depot]

Show the sim

[round field]

Uh

Got deleted gg...

[full sleet]

That hold 4 seconds thing is about raid?

[thorn nebula]

Mmmm i think you took something I said a couple days ago out of context - funny that I just tuned in right now

The sim optimization i flashed during that conversation was for something completely different

[lofty depot]

Yeasem

[thorn nebula]

it's like ~1% optimization above what we currently have but it's not ready to share yet

[lofty depot]

S

[thorn nebula]

nothing major, 1% is just beans

but you should follow the compedium until any evidence that something else is better pops up

[round field]

🎣

[mighty mica]

#balance message is this your alt

[round field]

No thats what im making fun of..

[quiet drift]

So back

omg

[thorn nebula]

Go to Advanced, copy your simc import, and then at the bottom add the following:

copy="haste"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=haste

copy="versatility"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=versatility

copy="crit"
shadowlands.soleahs_secret_technique_type=crit

[round field]

Imfriedup...

Sandbaggers

[thorn nebula]

The default sim for Balance is mastery, so you don't need to override that.

To be absolutely clear though for people who play alts, it only defaults to mastery for some classes.
See: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ExpansionOptions
For more details

[opaque pebble]

Thank you, but to ask further what happens with the next set of CDs?

[modern merlin]

Thank you sir

[lofty depot]

2m is a single CA

The sequence is the same just without the 2CA in it

Then 420 u 2ca again

[thorn nebula]

think he's asking after the 4 minute 2nd set of cds what to do?

[lofty depot]

Well, depends on fight timers

[mossy estuary]

for raid, do we still play keeper, when having 2 new tier and 2 old tier set?

[round field]

Yes

Except dh

[half sierra]

what is dh

[royal zenith]

council dh boss

[lofty depot]

He means soulbunter

But they're dh's

[royal zenith]

bunter

[lofty depot]

No autocorrcet

Hm

[mossy estuary]

ah thank you, appreciated

[thorn nebula]

kinda crazy 684 jug is simming higher than like any 701 trinket in dungeon pool for me

[lofty depot]

Get some crit

[thorn nebula]

yea my crit is pretty messed up

[lofty depot]

oncei get tier i can move my crafted items to crit mastery

have a lot of haste

[robust oracle]

what spec do you recommend for forgeweaver araz heroic? multitarget keeper, st keeper or aoe elune?

[lofty depot]

uhhh twin moon + ak

[thorn nebula]

somehow i only have 147 crit

lmao

[lofty depot]

remove the amp surge talent under smolder

and nb

[thorn nebula]

from a single gem

[lofty depot]

but st important

[leaden birch]

bro my 671 mug is simming higher than my 697 sac

[round field]

Sac is garbage

[lofty depot]

710 crystal barely higher than jug

[leaden birch]

all of this is making me feel so bad about forgetting to spend my dinars

you sim high af though wtf

4.3

[errant flint]

On 2T raid fights when I have 4pc do I starfall or starsurge?

[lofty depot]

thjats with tier that i dont have

so -4%

[leaden birch]

oh

[thorn nebula]

There's a complete section on that in the compendium for both EC and KoTG

[leaden birch]

i mean, there's nothing in the compendium rn about cleave fights in raid

[thorn nebula]

Eclipses and Fillers

search for that

[lofty depot]

thats because its week 1 and no one knows what the best build is

use warcraft logs

and copy a build

[leaden birch]

i mean, i was just replying to that comment

[lofty depot]

so was i

[errant flint]

Does the build change this week if I already have 2pc?

[lofty depot]

no

[errant flint]

I have much improvements to make in raid while m+ is a breeze for me.

[lofty depot]

we need to nerf ferals

[errant flint]

Dont gotta deal with pet ai so am still happy.

[errant flint]

Absolutely

[lofty depot]

i mean this a funny burst

but we need to nerf them

[gleaming kiln]

Someone can help me? I try sim for m+ and dont know if i do well if u can check

[scarlet tapir]

why do we care about week 1 logs again?

[leaden birch]

still simming like crazy though

[gleaming kiln]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9U2RJeY4XKkoAVxuJ8yxXZ

[scarlet tapir]

there are people repeating the whole raid with better gear to log

why do u care

[leaden birch]

I thought I was doing alright but damn my gear is dog

[digital berry]

Hitting 10+ mill on opener was normal last seasonntoo tho

[lofty depot]

stfu rat

i was comparingggggggggggg their burst UA DL,JFNASDJKFDHASFD

[digital berry]

Mdt simming week 1?

[lofty depot]

im only 693 :/

[gleaming kiln]

What do u mean

[stone ledge]

I’m just happy to be progging last boss and keeping up with my raid all having 2 and 4 set

[robust oracle]

do i use convoke in st and aoe and with either spec always in range or always in melee or different?

[lofty depot]

doesnt matter

[leaden birch]

fkin how

[lofty depot]

get some funny thrash value in melee but its not an issue

[leaden birch]

what I missing here in my sim

can you link sim

[lofty depot]

thats not even a lot

i have like 4 items :/

[digital berry]

What did you post that sim for

[leaden birch]

I'm only simming 3.9 at 693

[gleaming kiln]

Because dont know if i do well the Mdt sim

[leaden birch]

not even, 3.84

[lofty depot]

this might help

[leaden birch]

o

[round field]

Ofc pig arctic gets loot funneled

[ember quartz]

Checking dreamgrove for this week's crafting suggestions with gilded crests, and I see an embellishment and crafting section, but nothing about crafting itself. Are folks using their spark this week on a 1h?

[errant flint]

I like it when my little big dude comes out from that trinket

[digital berry]

It’s a bit early to mdt sim, you’d be better off simming patchwerk tbh

[lofty depot]

because everyones craft are subjective

[ember quartz]

understood

[lofty depot]

if u get a weapon in vault

[gleaming kiln]

And for m+ 5 target 1:30!

?

[digital berry]

I don’t think many people will use spark this week

[lofty depot]

u likely shouldnt

[digital berry]

No still 1t5m

[lofty depot]

unless u can get funny weap from plexus

[ember quartz]

In my case I'm sitting on tier in vault, and have a 701 1h/oh combo from m+

[digital berry]

Unless we’re talking specific trinket interaction simming, mdt simming serves a very specific purpose

[lofty depot]

do u have multiple tiers in vault?

[robust oracle]

is raid council boss elune or keeper aoe build?

[ember quartz]

Yeah, legs and pants on heroic track

[lofty depot]

ah

[ember quartz]

Legs and chest*

[gleaming kiln]

Thank u sir

[lofty depot]

ec seems better

better with 2p2p forsure

[digital berry]

I tried ec in normal and did beans for dmg

[robust oracle]

you set?

i have 0p0p

or rather 0p1p

[worthy olive]

do we play 2p 2p?

[errant flint]

I see the rotation in dg.gg if I have 3 starsurges to spend instead of 2 before convoke do I just spend all 3?

[robust oracle]

you want to not overcap, so use everything before convoke

[lofty depot]

Yes

[errant flint]

One more question ty hellwalkr for the last answer: I want to always be eclipse as much as possible yea? Before pressing any cds I assume.

[digital berry]

Not with new 4p tho right ?

Or is that fine

2 surges trees one more surge convoke

So you don’t have to waste time after convoke before dryad expires

[lofty depot]

Yee

Unless celcia sends something funny ig

But the sim he posted did the same opener

So idk

[stone ledge]

Mythic crafted staff definitely outsims fully upgraded raid staff in heroic right

[lofty depot]

It does

But so does 723 Plex mace with 720 oh 🙂

[stone ledge]

So what I’m hearing is

[lofty depot]

I need to sim it at base and see

[stone ledge]

If I get a myth main hand from dungeons send oh craft and bracers 🙂

[lofty depot]

Ye

[stone ledge]

Bet

[lofty depot]

Maybe not "any" mythic MH tho

[stone ledge]

Feels weird having a top 50 parse and it being blue and then I remember people are rerunning heroic to parse like degens

[lofty depot]

That's a good idea, hmm

Anyone need a fill?

[stone ledge]

I’m gonna wait til like week 3 to do that since we will be ahead of the normal player base in terms of ilvl then 👌

[lofty depot]

I'll do it next week end I get goated loot from vault

But I r2d salad bar and r5 fractilly

Cuz everyone doing splits

And I got lucky I didnt loot trinkets in 7 dungeons

Ezpz Araz snipe

[leaden birch]

a 710 araz trink is a 5.3% upg for me

golly

[livid dirge]

Sorry for the silly question, couldn't seem to find any information about this. Do we swap our S2 4set our for S3 2set?

[lofty depot]

Yea I just insta upgrade that

[lofty depot]

2p2p good

[livid dirge]

2p1p bad? As I got the legs from Eco and was thinking of ditching the set legs from S2

[round field]

?

1p isnt a thing...

you either have nothing 2p 2p2p or 4p

[leaden birch]

2p no p

[round field]

[lofty depot]

If it's 1p is a ilvl diff

So u just take ilvl

[livid dirge]

Thanks. Worded that all wrong

[leaden birch]

so haste is good for EC right

dogshit for kotg?

[lofty depot]

Yye

[leaden birch]

man

[digital berry]

Do you recommend throwing gildeds at araz?

Maxing it out?

[lofty depot]

I will not be recommending crest spends

I made the decision on my own and because I got first Araz, means I won't get mythic Araz until everyone else has one

So I sent

[digital berry]

See I got our first hero one too

[lofty depot]

I sent cuz we were doing saladbar

[digital berry]

And I still have 0p so I paid for it dearly

[lofty depot]

Big sam

Well I didn't get vault tier

So me too buddy

And we had to gear fuggn hunter warrior that have no gear

[digital berry]

People with 4p and here we are

[leaden birch]

couldn't be me

[lofty depot]

Game a warrior normal chip, normal tier token, heroic token,

[zealous zenith]

do we drop s2 4 set to run 2 set hero s3?

[lofty depot]

U can yes

[muted fox]

what do i sim as for dunegons?

[lofty depot]

U dont cuz AOE Sims are cringe

[muted fox]

aye

[lofty depot]

Ctrl + f "mdt" in compendium

[leaden birch]

I'm hating the fact that EC and KOTG use completely different stats now

[digital berry]

That’s wild

[leaden birch]

so cringe

[digital berry]

I personally couldn’t care less since I don’t need to pump for weekly 10s

[lofty depot]

Gave Hunter the same thing

[leaden birch]

weekly 20s

[lofty depot]

Both are bottom meter still, wondering where that 30% inc is

[digital berry]

Criminal behavior , favoritism !!

30% of 0

[lofty depot]

I lied, warrior was like 7th

Hunter on floor

[lofty depot]

(I'm on the council :/)

Raid buff not geared, wcyd

[digital berry]

[lofty depot]

Warrior swapped to ele

So no 2 warriors

1 was geared

Then warrior hunter ele not geared

Big tech

[digital berry]

I almost went ele, probably would have gotten hella gear this week had I done that

[errant flint]

I just gear for raid and m+ is secondary gearing. I end up building 2 sets of gear by mid season.

[hallow kernel]

Is raid build still KotG? Or is it EC at this point?

[digital berry]

Kotg

[lofty depot]

Well this tier u'll need to do that

All the others, uve been fine

[hallow kernel]

Ty

[past warren]

Why tf can't i macro my Celestial Alignment? It doesn't wanna line up with Nature's Vigil and Convoke?

[upper surge]

Is there a consensus on which loa is the best one for zandalari troll druids? Or is there maybe a way to sim it?

[half sierra]

is it normal that i sim a lot higher in ST with EC and 2/2 or am i doing something wrong?

[digital berry]

What

[lofty depot]

Well because they're different cds

With different timers

[formal crest]

hello

[digital berry]

Hello

[lofty depot]

U also don't press convoke right at the same time of CA, so

[lofty depot]

There do be a way to sim it

There's also a race sim in the compendium

[past warren]

oh, im dumb

[digital berry]

Race sims are cringe only race is nelf

[lofty depot]

Well we don't play ec st

[lofty depot]

U mean tauren

Cows are rising big dawg

[digital berry]

Show up around my block with a Tauren Druid and see what happens

[lofty depot]

1% dam inc. Lock in

[digital berry]

[idle mantle]

I got my hands on 2p now. Doing EC in m+ on a boss fights or single long live enemies i cast wraths in lunar eclipse or spam starfire? And for a raid, with 2p EC is below KOtG ?

[lofty depot]

Read lunar calling

[half sierra]

i mean, if it's simming a lot higher at 2/2 why wouldn't I?

[lofty depot]

U don't wrath in EC but to get into lunar eclipse

[lofty depot]

Ur keeper 2p is simming lower than EC 2p?

[half sierra]

yeah, that's why I was wondering if i messed somethin gup

[leaden birch]

yeah I'm prob gonna work towards that too

[formal crest]

i race change way too much do not tempt

[lofty depot]

Could've idk

Instead of talking about the sin

Show it

[half sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2zMTTp9ZWkbSc9fB9MoZga

[leaden birch]

just sucks having multiple different jewellery

[upper surge]

Thanks.
I think I've actually been forgetting to change my loa since Shadowlands

[formal crest]

damn bro im no longer top 5 balance druid in the world man, what am i gonna do

wheres paper when you need his criticism

[lofty depot]

Type shit

[formal crest]

shit

[lofty depot]

Yea that looks fine, I'm not playing EC for 1% gain

[formal crest]

yeah i will play ec in raid (for one boss only)

[lofty depot]

True

I was doing loot and forgot to change for sh

And we didn't wipe

Luckily Araz is like AOE cleave ish.....

[formal crest]

i almost did that to fractillus or whatever

[lofty depot]

So had tm and ak

[dry compass]

We all gotta bow to tettles

The only boomie with a public log dimensius kill for now

[formal crest]

yeah ill get one sunday

[dry compass]

Maybe same but I'm 22 it won't help

My Crit wayyyy too low for keeper

[lofty depot]

Lol balance on normal stats is blasting

Lock in

16% dam increase big

[dry compass]

Yeah all the fights last until your second convoke then flop over

Great fight timings

[leaden birch]

is there an easier 10 this week than ecodome?

shit is a breeze

[round field]

eco dome is super chill

[leaden birch]

literally brain off type shit

[lofty depot]

Streets

[leaden birch]

fuck that shit skreets is hell

[dry compass]

I've been in healer jail for every key so idfk

Every key sucks as healer

[leaden birch]

go to ecodome

[dry compass]

That sucked less but

Still sucks

[lofty depot]

Just do the most damage in guild and don't be healer prison

[round field]

oof

king

sexy 4 min lust dmg amp boss

(i dont have tier set)

[lofty depot]

It feels very pog

Fuck the 1.5m classes

[mossy hound]

Hey guys

Anyone use a WA to track when drayds are gone and u need to starsurge for them in a row ?

[lofty depot]

There's one in the OiBalance pack

[mossy hound]

ye okay. currently i use afenar

[lofty depot]

Time to use a better one

[mossy hound]

will look at it after raid, thanks!

[lofty depot]

(u can just duplicate the aura and move it)

[light seal]

how big is 2+2set for m+? was thinking if it was worth it to upgrade one hc piece for 2set. got 1 from vault. havent done raid yet

[lofty depot]

I did it so ease ye

[light seal]

shit guild probably not doing more than 4 bosses hc first week

[lofty depot]

But u really don't need to

[pseudo merlin]

WHAT IS THIS RAID

Why does taking portals just fucking kill you

?????

[modest orchid]

what belt do we want

[round field]

dont take portal when big engine go vroom

[lofty depot]

Gotta watch for the lazor dood

[lofty depot]

The one that Sims the best

[lucid olive]

lmao man got death star'd

[latent wagon]

is there a way to quickly look at what talent build is most popular for 95th percentile for raid?

[round field]

can just go wclogs for the specific boss

filter just balance druid

and it shows

[pseudo merlin]

oh

is it the floating balls

[lofty depot]

Well the Lazer has an animation

[pseudo merlin]

Aint no way I have to think about things during traversal and trash

[lofty depot]

Well u don't

Just get on loot council and afk get summoned

[solid cradle]

do we want to craft 2 hand weapon or are we going for 1 hand + off hand?

[lofty depot]

U only craft OH if u get a mythic weapon from vault or raid

Otherwise u likely craft 2h

[pseudo merlin]

insane

[lofty depot]

What's the problem

[pseudo merlin]

is there a guaranteed amount of boots or can you get 0 ?

[lofty depot]

Don't think so

[pseudo merlin]

Amazing answer

[lofty depot]

Think it's 2 or 3

[pseudo merlin]

ah

[lofty depot]

We got 3 both kills, 25 people

[pseudo merlin]

good shit

would be terrible if you could get none

[outer wolf]

sim it

[radiant arrow]

Are trinket sims broken? moxie jug is simming too high imo

[lofty depot]

U don't have enough crit

[gritty kite]

With the new 4 set, after the new opener, do we just play normally and pop 1 CA whenever up, and just use the 2 buffed Starsurge in Solar ecplise?

[lofty depot]

No, u play the 2m ca the same was u would the opener

Just without the 2nd ca

[gritty kite]

oh Yeah i forgot u got the 2 sec to use it

ty

[lofty depot]

Then ur next set of CDs is 4 but u wait til think it's 420 so u can do another double CA

[round field]

we got like

triple cloth boots

[pseudo merlin]

oof

[pliant girder]

how many targets?

[celest narwhal]

got the raid boots from TW

[lofty depot]

1t5m

[celest narwhal]

big W

[frozen solar]

Hey guys super silly question, does starfall stack? since you press it only if u overcap or if you're < 3 starlord, that means u dont ccare about having max amount out, right?

[celest narwhal]

spam as many as u can

no cap

[gloomy vine]

🧢

[frozen solar]

ah each is its own damage

[lofty depot]

It stacks

[pseudo merlin]

Does the tooltip mention that actually

I wonder

I would not be surprised if it didnt

[celest narwhal]

"Multiple uses of this abilty can overlap"

is ool top

[pseudo merlin]

Ah

Why do people never just read their skills

Why would you go all the way to a discord to ask a question that's in a tooltip

So you can get yelled at by people like arctic

[lofty depot]

U don't want to be capped because EC tier, starfires need to gain asp

[frozen solar]

chill out

[lofty depot]

But yes don't overcap

[ebon sail]

anyone got any ideas for cleave or aoe talents for this raid. Not up yet on Dreamgrove and I cant load Wowhead atm.

[frozen solar]

alright so if you're on a finite time scale u might want to spam more SFs than say maintain good flow of SL

[pseudo merlin]

Follow the ASP spending priority in the compendium

[lofty depot]

As long as u dont overcap sure

[pseudo merlin]

There's multiple rules for spending

[frozen solar]

Thanks sosa

i meant starfall not star fire with SF but ye gotcha

[simple canyon]

What piece of tier has the least desirable secondary stats? doesnt seem to be a standout bad piece

[pseudo merlin]

SF is starfall

[frozen solar]

ah ok

[lofty depot]

Shoulder

Yucky haste

[simple canyon]

ok thanks, i was between that and pants

[lucid olive]

thought you meant stellar flare

[lofty depot]

Thought they meant Sunfire

[pseudo merlin]

😡

[frozen solar]

SodiumFloride

[pseudo merlin]

SF starfall

STF starfire

SUF sunfire

STFL stellar flare

[lucid olive]

san francisco

[pseudo merlin]

put it in the compendium

NOW

[lofty depot]

STFU, meaning u

[frozen solar]

^ that's ur opener

[pseudo merlin]

oof you got me

[lofty depot]

Rekt bud

[pseudo merlin]

it's over

I just died on dimensius

Because my mount isn't working

😂

what a game

[lofty depot]

What if mythic has 3 big adds

Each platform

THATS NOT POGGERS

[pseudo merlin]

nah lets do it

there better be a crazy secret phase too

[lofty depot]

And rasz winds where u gotta cat leap and shit

[pseudo merlin]

true

[lofty depot]

Love me some Rasz winds

[tranquil plank]

Travel form would be too strong!!! /s

[pseudo merlin]

Actually not on druid atm

does flight form work on dimensius?

I'd hope so

[wild dune]

it doesnt

[pseudo merlin]

actually?

[tranquil plank]

Nope, definitely died to it first pull lol

[pseudo merlin]

yeah im using litemount

thats probably why mine wasnt workign

have to open my mount collection and click a mount

[lofty depot]

DK player

[reef trellis]

it didnt even work for tindral in amirdrassil so i doubt it ever will for a raid fight

[lofty depot]

Yea but its 2025, surely we have the technology

[reef trellis]

yea but then people will complain about druids having "an advantage" for not having to cast mount

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-gif-23888293

[scenic mist]

@lofty depot hey do you have the table with the different proc rate per spec for the raid weapon ?

[pseudo merlin]

oh right i forgott about that

but atleast litemount worked on tindy

[celest narwhal]

anyone have good reccomendations on optimzing so i get better fps in wow

this raid it takin a TOLL on me.

[pseudo merlin]

There was some video made back in last tier about it

Everything consolidated

[celest narwhal]

i did that

[pseudo merlin]

I don't have it on hand or I'd link it

oh rip

[celest narwhal]

and it was like NO help

like there is probs some MAJOR thing not enabled

[opal arch]

Am i bad at Balance or is demo just cracked right now?

[celest narwhal]

and im not even like using my GPU for wow or sum

[pseudo merlin]

what CPU you on ?

[errant flint]

Logging in later is wowanalyzer updated for us?

[celest narwhal]

Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core

getting old

[pseudo merlin]

yeah that'l be it

[celest narwhal]

but it doesnt cap out

but yeah i probs need a whole lot of new everything for my pc

i am also horrible at understanding what is an upgrade or not

[pseudo merlin]

I don't think there's much you can do with that CPU, in terms of optimisations for performance beyond what the video suggested

5700x3d would be your cheapest upgrade atm

And it should be significant

It comes down to just buy whatever the best thing is that fits in your budget with x3d at the end

[wet pelican]

guys i think i'm actually stupid, can someone explain the kotg st rotation to me like i have half a braincell

[reef trellis]

single target with convoke for raid or without it in dungeons

[wet pelican]

with convoke in raid

[reef trellis]

my rotation is normally 2 wraiths, sunfire, force of nature since they apply moonfire, celestial allignment, spend all AP on starsurge, convoke, spend on starsurge, wrath spam until solar eclipse ends, 2 starfire to go back to solar, wrath spam and spend starsurge before reaching AP cap

repeat and use cds as they come back

[pseudo merlin]

real quick, did you check the compendium already or nah?

because people would just be reiterating the compendium

albeit maybe phrased in a way that works slightly better for you

[wet pelican]

yeah i did i'm just new to balance and kinda shit lol

[wet pelican]

thank you, this is what i needed

so am i starsurging twice after CA and then again when my dryad disappears?

[reef trellis]

again after convoke, you always want to make sure youre spending before AP cap, thats the biggest thing

hitting ap cap is a dps loss

and since our mastery is a flat damage increase when dots are up dots need a close to 100% uptime

[wet pelican]

okay i think i get it

thank you so much

[reef trellis]

% nature and % arcane with sunfire/moonfire up, and since starsurge is astral it gets both % increase

[lofty depot]

Uhhh I sent it if u look for simc in search

Or github

[lofty depot]

Both can be true

[wet pelican]

when you're on a cleave boss with kotg when do you start using starfall?

[lofty depot]

Should be moonfiring before trees

[opal arch]

I'm new to druid so im leaning more towards being bad

[lofty depot]

Depends on ur talents. But yes u can at some point

[reef trellis]

ah the tree's normally apply moonfire fast enough for me but ill keep that in mind

[worldly plume]

How do we use our 4 Set keeper in Raid with the Dryad Stack?

[lofty depot]

Either ur slow or not paying attention to ur buff

Cuz it's 2 seconds off for me generally

[scenic mist]

simc

[lofty depot]

Weakaura or

[scenic mist]

worked like a charm
what a gamer

[lofty depot]

Ye

Sim account for it, Kris is still our best weapon

Shield good for prog

[round field]

i was hoping it would cause it did on tindral

[scenic mist]

ye ye it's just added data for our diamantine trinkets attributions

(wont be for me)

[humble talon]

kris > spire ?

[lofty depot]

Think diamantine is ok, but u can get crystal from dawnbreaker

[lofty depot]

Yes, haste bad

[scenic mist]

hehehee

[lofty depot]

That's the wrong ring

[scenic mist]

rings are rings

we get stats where we can

[lofty depot]

Smh

[pseudo merlin]

wait

why did you loot an english ring

?????

not gate logique omega?

[scenic mist]

playing in english obv

[lofty depot]

I don't see logic gate: Kekkers

[pseudo merlin]

no such thing mate

[lofty depot]

Lock in

[scenic mist]

• got boots

life's good

[lofty depot]

Why are they getting a boomkin

[scenic mist]

i'm feralkin

[lofty depot]

Idiots smh

[scenic mist]

we don know yet

[lofty depot]

Feral .....

spit

[scenic mist]

yeah tough life

[worldly plume]

is there any good WA for the 4set dryad tracking?

[scenic mist]

look at this feral neck

[worldly plume]

for keeper

[scenic mist]

Oi pack does it iirc

https://wago.io/OiBalance

[lofty depot]

I asked if u meant a weakaura and don't respond, smh

[scarlet tapir]

man

dimensius might be the best boss they ever designed

(tbd mythic tuning)

[pseudo merlin]

this whole raid

is amazing

i love it

[shrewd path]

No i think you might have a point, my warlock tells me i could have beat him if i just played better

[worldly plume]

didnt see sry ye i meant a WA

[pseudo merlin]

[opal arch]

Yeah I'm new to druid. It was a genuine question. I think i might not be good at it

[lofty depot]

Have u done heroic yet

[shrewd path]

if you are new and doing low keys where mobs don't live long, boomie will look very bad due to the ramp time needed

[lofty depot]

Read the guide on dreamgrove.gg

Ask questions

Post a log

(of not a +2 m+ preferably)

[scarlet tapir]

only 6/8

but doesnt change much

from what i heard

will do tomorrow i think

[lofty depot]

Double adds

[scarlet tapir]

love me some adds

[lofty depot]

Bigggggg dam

Yea saladbar sick

The amp phasing gonna be cringe in a week

The timing was perfect for us to 2CA on amp

[deep kettle]

Hey Guys, can i ask u something?
I get Voidglass Kris NHC yesterday.

Now i craft Vagabond's Torch and next week Wrists or should i go for 2h Weapon? What do you think?

[lofty depot]

Maybe it's time based tho

[pseudo merlin]

What's NHC

[lofty depot]

U only craft oh if u get a mythic nh

Normal and heroic mh aint shit

[deep kettle]

its normal 😄

[pseudo merlin]

O_O

[half sierra]

in m+ going into a pack with no cd and no eclipse, do i fury and dot everything before entering eclipse ?

[lofty depot]

U don't fury before dotting no

[half sierra]

oh i'm reading this wrong, so dot, 2 wrath then fury

?

[lofty depot]

Generally yes

[pseudo merlin]

read the compendium

[half sierra]

yeah i am, but i'm not smart

[lofty depot]

U can do some cancel dreamstates

[pseudo merlin]

fair enough

fuck cancelling dreamstates

[solar arch]

anyone had campaign skip bug?

can go pick up my reshi wraps, but no option to skip campaign on first quest

[lost pagoda]

On your main character did you, after getting the cloak talk to the dude beside them all with a quest that sends you to the little floating island between all the islands?

you have to go there and do that quest and complete it and you will be good to go.

[solar arch]

Yeah. ive done all the purple quests

The phase diving stuff, got the achievement etc

[lost pagoda]

That's wierd,i had to double check on the island and than it worked for my alt

hopefully you can find what is happening

[stone ledge]

do we know if this sim always considers the enemy ethereal for the trinket or no

[lofty pulsar]

question.. with the starlight spark dust, i see it shows a season maximum of 3? am i able to still get more or that it?

[round field]

Why do you have that...

[lofty depot]

Id assume it doesnt

[stone ledge]

got it randomly

[lofty depot]

Yes, next week

[round field]

you get one per week

[lofty pulsar]

umm got ya, follow up question when crafting a 2h weapon is it better to just add the stats you want or meh let it happen

[lofty depot]

Lol what

[stone ledge]

ALWAYS stats you want

[lofty depot]

U sim the upgrade and craft what ever stats it says is best

[lofty pulsar]

yeah im not that savvy to know or understand the sim thing

[lofty depot]

Id gladly help u, rather than see u craft vers/Crit(if it was last season where we wanted mastery/haste)

[lofty pulsar]

i was thinking of just going with mastery haste.. but if you want im open to the help

[lofty depot]

Next tier we aren't mastery haste

Unless ur a m+er only

[past tide]

what is gathering moonlight

[lucid olive]

EC 2pc procs

[lofty pulsar]

id like to play a little of both raid and m+

[lucid olive]

gathering moonlight is the stacking buff you consume to get moonlight suffusion

[lofty depot]

U could likely run some form of mastery haste mastery Crit

[lucid olive]

its the tier set

[royal zenith]

classic mattiu

[lofty pulsar]

Sorry for all the silly questions or what I’m gonna call stupid randomness… I just feel lost I guess with a lot changing from wrath..

[hallow pecan]

do you switch when you get 2 set or wait for 4 set?

[royal zenith]

if someone ever makes you feel bad for askin question, lemme know names @lofty pulsar....

[past tide]

got smoked

[royal zenith]

especially if it's arctic......

[past tide]

this spec is worse than resto

[lofty pulsar]

I think I read earlier that is good to switch but I’m going off what was said yesterday

[past tide]

starfire and starfal

[dapper wing]

Yall see how broken Living Flame trinket is from Ulduar

It's fucked

[lofty pulsar]

lol my msg was for @hallow pecan haha

[royal zenith]

all good

[golden belfry]

That's a half spark counter, and generally the week of release sparks are gained via weekly quest caches

[dapper wing]

Same ilvl, Araz trinket is 26k under Living Flame

[lofty pulsar]

Got ya, thanks. Yeah I was able to get 3 dust very quickly but have seen one since so thought maybe that was it..

[digital berry]

bro being stuck with a +2 key SUCKS

[wild dune]

real

[buoyant escarp]

Is the 4pc for Elune's Chosen half bugged? The actual proc on starsurges don't cleave, but the actual proc of Gathering Moonlight works.

It works on training dummies, but idk if i'm just that blind, but haven't seen it work in M+ or world content.

[delicate perch]

Just pug it up

Grab the first bozos until it’s like 7/8

[bronze topaz]

is there a weakaura that shows the damage my two 4 set starsurges do?

[lucid olive]

if you play with damage numbers it'll show how much they do

[digital berry]

literally NOBODY is applying

[delicate perch]

[earnest sage]

is there a command to see the best raid talents rn?

[dapper wing]

Read pins

And go to the compendium

[earnest sage]

merci!

[serene elk]

hey, I sim stat weight from my char and I sim this, I've too much mastery ? intel is really last stats ?

[mighty mica]

stop simming stat weights

[spare anvil]

does the pot buff+cd resett at pull?

[lucid olive]

the warning is bigger than the text box

thats crazy

[delicate perch]

I’m not listening to a robot

[serene elk]

okay mate, thx !

[lucid olive]

no

[spare anvil]

so at fractillus i can prepot 8sec prepull for a pot into convoke and than delay the last cringe convoke till i can repot ?

[lucid olive]

huh

why would you prepot

[spare anvil]

because enrage is 5min

pull convoke pot

end convoke pot

[lucid olive]

oh yeah sure

[digital berry]

youre banking on the fact it will take you exactly 4 minutes 54 seconds to kill it or something?

[upper surge]

Any speshul ways to sim so'leahs or just chuck it into the sim and it'll sort itself automatically?

[digital berry]

Likely scenario you waste 8 seconds of pot

[lucid olive]

it defaults to mastery

[meager storm]

clanka please

[digital berry]

Leave wirebacks alone

[lucid olive]

there's a link below where you select fight style and stuff on raidbots to "expansion options" page where there are simc codes to sim different soleah stats

[digital berry]

It's just in their programming

[upper surge]

cheers

[spare anvil]

i mean +-22sec gap to delay for a button press that buffs ur dmg on highest peek more than useless 15sec no CA value ye

[digital berry]

It doesn't make much sense

if enrage was 6 minutes i'd be like yeah sure

enrage being the exact duration of the pot cd

[spare anvil]

wdym pulltimer 20

15 press pot

[digital berry]

and then you kill at 4 minutes

and waste 15 seconds of pot

[spare anvil]

get burst over at 16sec of fight whole pot duration in

and get 4:45 another like Sire denathrius....

[spare anvil]

sure bro kill fractiuls mythic early prog 4min xd

[royal zenith]

if it works, try it out

shrimple

[scenic mist]

ok guys i got heroic araz and normal antenna

what is my futur wife doing rn ?

[tiny wagon]

Alr do I send a cata to get 2p2p? I’ve killed all but H dinensius and idk if we’ll kill tn or not

Idk the sims of 4p vs 2p2p

[digital berry]

i wouldn't tbh

you can sim it urself tho

if you save cata you can get 4p the moment u get a single tier set from next weeks raid / vault

[tiny wagon]

Thought so, just means my dps will be lackluster today when the dmg will be tight/needed

[digital berry]

last i simmed it was like 1% for 2p 2p

[stuck kernel]

is keeper of the grove viable in keys?

[digital berry]

sure

[royal timber]

What do I use to figure out my gear since Droptimizer is broken?

I have a few pieces of new gear drops but I'm 682 and I'm not sure...beyond tier pieces...what is and isn't an increase in terms of trinkets or rings or other stuff

[bronze torrent]

Is there a difference between Ascension on a 2h and on an Off-hand?

Got a good HC 1h and am wondering if I should just craft the OH and then maybe craft a 1h next week

[royal timber]

And I've used Droptimizer's Gear Compare stuff for so long that I'm unaware of other simming tools to use

[balmy goblet]

With the new 4 set do i send keeper tallents for M+ or stay CE ?

[empty locust]

could this be better than crafted staff ? standalone or with the trinket 2 set bonus ? seems kinda weird to sim it , i try 😄

[royal zenith]

you need to sim it

but in general crafted staff will beat heroic gear

unless the effect is so much more powerful

[empty locust]

yeah i know its the effect power that makes me think about it , i sim it but its a hard sim , considering its value depends on other items too

but yeah my brain is mathing rn

[royal zenith]

you play EC in M+

[empty locust]

yep. its worse even with the trinket

[lucid olive]

Uuuh

The Voidglass dagger with crafted OH is good

[royal zenith]

[lucid olive]

add a 704 bracer craft for the armor banding with the 2nd spark and the free runed crest and it's better for me at least

[royal zenith]

yes of course

and you're right

but 1. Compendium says to craft 2-hander

and many other guides

and 2. It requires a lot more figuring out

[lucid olive]

Real I should change that tomorrow

[royal zenith]

so if that's your advice, they will need to sim it properly

[lucid olive]

!remindme 10 hours

[royal zenith]

hence my comment "in general"

the voidglass staff and dagger both are pretty good items

you could technically opt in for an OH craft either way, cause you can farm heroic weapon from M+

if you really don't want to wait for 2nd spark

[royal zenith]

this would basically mean you're betting on dagger to drop in mythic at some point

anyway loads of factors

enjoy

[lucid olive]

Yeah you're right

[scarlet tapir]

guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/748631574412787762/1405679549739569152/6597A19B-A630-455A-B478-2F02010855BC.png?ex=689fb498&is=689e6318&hm=219507969b6695ffaa7ef0488bb5df2f1c830846b80f2e3ceb033deda87d255e&

do my pugs know

they have to clear the ground

or do they think this color is normal

[loud kettle]

Healers insta dispelling for the first time in pug history

[plucky forge]

someone got weakaura for dryad prog tier set ?

[scenic mist]

@lucid olive we dont change keeper s2 build with 2p2p right ?

[delicate perch]

have you checked wago

[digital berry]

nope

why are you @ him

[delicate perch]

@ tettles instead

[scenic mist]

idk i'm crazy with @s today you're right

i did arctic earlier

spamming everyone

[pallid bay]

https://wago.io/BoomkinTierSet

[plucky forge]

ty

[dapper wing]

Ulduar trinkets nerfed

[meager storm]

[delicate perch]

who could've guessed that

[livid dirge]

Silly question. But how comes I cannot see the Starfall Dryad damage in Details? I can see the Starsurge one. Just curious to see how much it does in a dung

[next pilot]

How does balance dudu this season feel for ppl ? I feel like im hitting like a wet noodle outside of cds...must be doing sth wrong

[obsidian tapir]

nah its perfect normal

balance is dogwater

[delicate perch]

[uneven magnet]

its fine for keys 10+ but lower ones the adds die too fast

at least in my experience, but i've only done a few 11s so far

[normal pilot]

the dryad doesn't cast starfall, you cast it. it's under your damage

[livid dirge]

I read it as the Dryad casts both, or am I being dense?

[loud kettle]

It lies

[lucid olive]

Tooltips lie all the time

[livid dirge]

Ah I see

[normal pilot]

tooltips don't matter in wow

the devs don't care about accuracy

[livid dirge]

So does it just buff the SS and SF I can't during CA?

I cast*

[normal pilot]

no it casts a single unbuffed weak starfall

well i guess it has a single buff the 800%

but no other buffs

[livid dirge]

Like... Is that really all it does

[normal pilot]

yes the set is stupidly designed

[livid dirge]

Well thanks for the help

[next pilot]

Its fine have another 8% buff

[lofty timber]

Should I take tier piece over trinket the trinking is Azhiccaran Parapodia

[quiet drift]

I hit the funny number

[digital berry]

sim it

[pseudo merlin]

toxic

[errant flint]

Alrighty, got my finger lore up, when doing priority rotation way after the opener, do I need to get into eclipse BEFORE using CA + trees? Eventhough CA puts me into eclipse.

[digital berry]

someone just bought my hero track sac brood for 100k

[pseudo merlin]

?????

[digital berry]

no

[pseudo merlin]

Thats cheap as fuck lmao

are you dumb

[digital berry]

Wait did i get scamazzed?

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[digital berry]

what do people buy hero trinks for ?

[pseudo merlin]

on average it takes probably 18 hours to get sacbrood

you earn 100k in 30 minutes

idk id pay you a milly

[digital berry]

😛

fuck me

[lofty depot]

is that total or is that a funny little 2 pack pull

thats what u call blastingggggggggggggggggg

[idle flint]

Do we stick with old 4pc or can we go 2pc/2pc

[lofty depot]

2p is good

[idle flint]

kk

[quiet drift]

total

[vital hound]

show me the meter after 1 minute

[quiet drift]

Its Priory overall

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/1294314802507943946/caption.gif

[lofty depot]

how does he know its priory hmmm

bunch of non gamers

[pallid bay]

4p abusers..

[lofty depot]

i dont have 4p

nt tho

[pallid bay]

bad comp abuser..

[lofty depot]

skill abuser

[drifting nova]

finally got rid of my tier head it's huge

[pallid bay]

need to nerf assa..

[meager storm]

how about we nerf THIS

[vital hound]

@delicate perch @charred peak

[delicate perch]

😳

[vital hound]

uwu

[stuck meadow]

god damn

[sudden pawn]

lol

[pallid bay]

damn nice trinkets

[charred peak]

are you shaming us

[vital hound]

yes

get a room

[charred peak]

WTF

[sudden pawn]

🤨

[stuck meadow]

holy shit

[pallid bay]

😎

[sudden pawn]

i hate that i keep dropping haste

[earnest sage]

whats the best two dungeon trinkets we can use rn?

[meager storm]

how did they give u antenna over locks

[sudden pawn]

finessed

[tiny tendon]

swindled

[stuck meadow]

last boss working perfectly

[dense steeple]

chat are we back

[visual berry]

yo boys do any of u guys have a weakaura for the 4 piece thingy

[lofty depot]

LOOT COUNCIL ABUSER

[lofty depot]

crystal and signet

lily is goood

[maiden pasture]

bro assa is NUTS

shit just explodes at 35%

[fast void]

havent played boomy in awhile. is it actually good now?

[lofty depot]

define good

[dense steeple]

arctic

do you use liquidreminders?

[scenic mist]

it's about to be quite perfectly mid range

[vital hound]

[drifting nova]

is the worm trink any good

[pseudo merlin]

sim it loser

[drifting nova]

listen buddy

I won 2 rolls at 100

and 4 idiots

are like do you need

[pseudo merlin]

😂

[meager storm]

what the helly is worm trinket

[pseudo merlin]

tthat thing in kekkers brain

[mighty mica]

what brain

[pseudo merlin]

worm ate it

[mighty mica]

starved

[pseudo merlin]

💀

[wicked shuttle]

officer

[meager storm]

so we are rigging council loot

gotcha

[lofty depot]

yea

i havnet used it on any bosses yet tho

[digital berry]

Sandbagged so hard with s1 trinkets they had to give it to him

[drifting nova]

the trink from the worm you not done the raid?

[pseudo merlin]

what fucking worm

[meager storm]

there is no worm in raid

[drifting nova]

jfc

[pseudo merlin]

thats ecodome

you fucking doofus

[meager storm]

[scenic mist]

gang up

[meager storm]

another officer

i see

[scenic mist]

not even

golded split is all

[drifting nova]

loomithar you donkey

[meager storm]

did u guys run 0 locks or what

[drifting nova]

making me look up boss names smh

[scenic mist]

not on my split 😄

[meager storm]

so trolling

ggs

[scenic mist]

we have 2 lock

and 3 splits

just got lucky

[meager storm]

need 2 more locks

[dense steeple]

i was hoping you had the new api key 🙂

[scenic mist]

i mean we have a 3rd but he's gonna afk 2 weeks during prog so he's kinda out for the loot

[scenic mist]

also got these

[ebon plover]

what am i doing wrong? are mobs just not living long enough for me to ramp up? I am usually like 20% less than the other 2 dps

or is eco dome just a bad key for boomie

[pseudo merlin]

who's the other 2

[lofty depot]

are u doing 4s or

[ebon plover]

6s

[pseudo merlin]

why are you doing 6

[ebon plover]

farming hero gear

[lofty depot]

i mena, it could be too low yes

7s is hero

[ebon plover]

he doesnt know

[pseudo merlin]

didnt they lower it do 6?

[ebon plover]

6s is hero

[pseudo merlin]

last season

[ebon plover]

7 is crests

[lofty depot]

thats carazy

[ebon plover]

im just trying to get tier

[lofty depot]

well yea have fun with doing shit dam

[ebon plover]

cause 2k gives a catalyst charge and not a curio for some reason

blizz catering to raiders yet again

[drifting nova]

naaa no way

[lofty depot]

yea but ur gonna cata a 1/6?

[ebon plover]

yeah why not

i can just upgrade it

[lofty depot]

and then go farm 10s

[ebon plover]

better than no tier

[lofty depot]

when u coud just farm 10s

[meager storm]

u save catas for next week

[pseudo merlin]

you save so many crests

why would you not do 120s

[drifting nova]

no way they changed the reward to catalyst and not a tier

[ebon plover]

its a new character i dont have last season tier

[pseudo merlin]

idk man

half my guild has 4 set

[meager storm]

dumb

[pseudo merlin]

its gonne be pretty valuable for first 3 mythic

get that vault slot up

[drifting nova]

ravec so it tracks

[meager storm]

its a waste to send 2 catas on 2 hero pieces

[lofty depot]

same

[pseudo merlin]

a waste?

idk man

[ebon plover]

not at all man

[pseudo merlin]

you're not swimming in gildeds

you cant upgrade them beyond a certain point anyway

[meager storm]

u need to save at least 1 for next weeks vault

[pseudo merlin]

that tier set is a huge boost, a bit of item level much less so

im getting socket from vaulty

[ebon plover]

i will take 1/6 hero tier than perma farming 10s for a chance at vault

[pseudo merlin]

huh?

[ebon plover]

my vaults are always so cursed man

[pseudo merlin]

you farm 10s for gear

not 6s

unless you just can't do 10s

[ebon plover]

gonna be real challenging to pug it

im a lone wolf

[drifting nova]

everyone has a group dont you remember

[pseudo merlin]

youre acting as if i've ever in my entire life played m+ with a premade

i havent

[drifting nova]

you havent

[ebon plover]

you're probably a lot better than me

[drifting nova]

you arent

[pseudo merlin]

LOL

[ebon plover]

i havent played boomkin before

🙂

[pseudo merlin]

I mean I'm no kekkers but

[drifting nova]

[pseudo merlin]

The peak of my capability is playing boomie and ret

[drifting nova]

only I can get declined from 2s

[ebon plover]

so real

sorry bro no lust

[drifting nova]

..I'm a warrior

[pseudo merlin]

we just did some 11s without lust

lust overrated

[drifting nova]

who legit brings NOTHING

[ebon plover]

warrior aka floor pov

[drifting nova]

bad enough I had to swap fury

to not do bin damage

now my hands hurt

[ebon plover]

carpet tunnel

[drifting nova]

yeah, original reason I stopped fury in bfa

absolute giga spamming cursed spec

[potent cargo]

ahk macro it up my boy

[drifting nova]

just..lemme play arms man

[potent cargo]

play prot war

contribute something

[drifting nova]

I..then I need to learn routes

and ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[delicate perch]

ya play the spec that does damage