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the comp of dreams
just wait til u see dimensius
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easy fix for druid imo is buff dots nerf starfall. aoe wont change much and ST u become stronger done
no
people sleeping on double boomy double aug
@vital hound vault check
we doing 2p/2p or 4p until new 4p
u guys know any website or something to fing streamers / pro players iu/configs/plater etc ... for free? :D.
i break my 4 piece for 2p2p right
i just ran a sim on it, and for me its a like 40k-ish upgrade for 2p/2p assuming your 2p is atleast heroic
ye
is this week considered the first or second week for catalyst charges?
first
Do you replace 4p Goblin Tier with 2p Ethereal Tier or wait till 4p?
2p
ty!
Seems like a trap
Sim. It.
idk how
AHHHH WE SEEM TO BE DOING GREAT M+ YAY
You're surely being satirical
guys i dont have any logs but can somone give me the best tips to min max damage ? besides not over caping
always be casting
casting somethign, even if it's wrong, is often better than casting nothing
does starfire do more damage than starfall ?
and when should i use warrior of elune in opener
i can just play last tiers talents for kotg in raid until i get new tier right?
Hi, does anyone have a WA to track the tier set? ty โฅ
the same one
yes
oibalance
yo arctic am i dropping 4p for 2p
sure
ty
whos watching liquid stream
yuh
Vods exist
im starting raid
ah i was afk for about half an hour around 730 est so if they did i wouldve missed
sorry :(
so uh yesterday everything said elunes chosen and now its KOTG for raid what changed
Timewalking was big worth.
tuning
yes day wowhead said that but dreamgrove didnt
It was always going to be KotG today unless you somehow got 4pc before everyone else
We breaking set on 2p or 4p?
2
ty ty
Fastest delve today?
wouldnt it be pants since they are high crit and shoulders are high haste?
Balance newbie here. I don't understand why keeper of the grove treant talent is suggested for raids on wowhead. Aggro steal pets etc are not advised for raid bosses right?
Is it possible to simply move the power bar to the centre of the screen? Saw a 12 y.o. mop video, so it was definitely possible (either natively or with an addon), but what about mop classic?
one of the KOTG talents is treants dont taunt
i dont beleive treants can steal boss threat
Either way the talent that makes them not taunt also buffs them by 200%
Aah ok. I've tried Elune tree a lot in levelling, Delves, M0. Loved playing that.
Was planning to get correct talents for guild raid but got confused as wowhead said other class talent.
would be best to ask in #classic (there's a classic discord link in the pins there too)
So wanted confirmation which class talent did more ST damage to bosses.
Another query if someone can answer please.
Which hero talent is superior in 11.2 elune or kotg, if not having tier vs with tier.
Asking in terms of pure ST damage to boss.
hmm
looks fine to me
uhhh its probably just ec
but both are pretty dogshit without
So are we running kotg or elune for raid>
I'm simming them in top gear rn ๐
but would stick kotg endgame once getting tier. As u all said
says around 9.9% less dps on ST with elune. 
Kkeeper
Is new 2piece a big enough upgrade to take immediately, or should I wait to see if I get tier from raid to get 4piece
yes
Do we swap to 2set/2set when we can?
look up
I did, simmed it and it was 7.5% increase to do so
do what sim says
anyone using northernsky ang getting 500 lua errors?
its 3 target
@dense steeple strim?
bro vaults been posted
I JUST WOKE UP
everybody but arctic got tier piece
694 is hero 1/6
welp, guess it's w/e my shitty alts can get the 691s
aint nobody running delves more than you have to
Yo kotg in keys actually comfy af, no need to moonfire spam as much
I might just play kotg in keys ec is dead to me
i mean i did kotg for all content last season
Do we play EC on any raid fights?
no
yes but also sim it
We have different stat prio now?
yo
do we continue using the wrist or do we change it?
moonfire machine gun
what u gonna change it to
if u think u wanna drop it, sim it
so are we cranking in keys right now or are the other DPS in my groups just not performing well?
insane
we cranking
I AM BAD
i just need a hero chest piece and I have 4p
just crazy lucky
i actually haven't gotten shit from raid, they've given the pieces to the hunters and mages
i got lfr hands, some warbound lfr upgraded shoulders
weve seen 1 mystic
pants in vault
who gears the waterboy first?
i took vault chest and yoinked a giga hat from first boss hero
catalyze immediately
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what the heck its my alt!
anybody elses convoke comes up like 10 seconds after the damn amp phase on araz
i am triggered
you gotta hold it
yeah but then it lines up for both dmg amps
two convokes with +100% dam vs 1 extra convoke on fight
i didnt even CA there
so on pull and on amps?
i just did what adept did
definitely have trees and ca up for amp phase
if you use them when convoke is up but hold convoke
dimensius trinket have any value? i saw it got buffed.
sim it
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Can i travel form the dimensus dragonriding?
does the rotation only change with 4pc?
yes
ty
are you guys going ST or cleave for dimensius?
is crafting an OH a decent idea?
Is the 2 set for the voidglass kris not good for us?
chain wiping to heroic araz
if you drop a myth track 1h
it could be
nah i have a champ MH atm just was curious and im a little impatient
I found my answer and no - no travel form for the dimensus dragonriding
yea u dont craft that unless u have a myth weapon
chaamp is nothing
lotta that going on
soul hunters is wayyyy easier than araz
we just finished normal 
araz is dead but god damn
phase 3 you just dont get to do dmg
if you cast a wrath you die
We just downed it, this is a lie
?
the last 5% its just strugglign for your life
i guess it also depends on what % you are going in
Should I take normal 2 pc + old 2pc over old 4pc?
the suck takes as econd to ramp up
sim it
just watched a fdk do less than a healer in ara 
I'd hate to be a new player in 2025 holy
play ec on hunters
aint no way lil bro asked that
we took flare on that council fight in nathria
padder
do you like to do kotg for low keys or just EC all day
@sour rampart your guide needs a slight adjustment ๐ its assuming we werent at 714 cloak ilvl this week
all day at this point
cba to switch
its not like ec sucks especially at the beginning of the season
guess what ya boi got
gold
gotta add each piece i believe
wait so is tier bound to hero talents now?
that would be funny 
no hero tier..could be champ tier but eh
ty
..wait my priest sims higher than my druid it's over
bro we are so back
WERE SO BACK
my war sims same as my druid, but is 25ilvls higher
I dun wanna be chicken
dont make me
lol thats awesome
teach me

dunno what to pic :))
Do we use a spark this week?
we're so back chat
does it make more sense to have the cancelaura macro above /cast wrath? so that on-pull the first wrath cast isn't sometimes buffed?
#showtooltip
/cast Wrath
/cancelaura [nocombat] dreamstate
what should i run for m+
its OS but i need to
which is better? two i got made
dude read the pins/compendium
wait til raid prob
So for the let me solo her achievement and title, is that already gone now since the "delve season started" or can u get that until end of season 3?
no
its not gone until next delve season
Ok
a lot of those talents are minimal differences
So what sthe move on crafted gear. Bracers. Weapon?
Can someone send me a build for m+?
Cloak and belt

depends if u get myth weapon
if u get 1h macr from plexus or in vault u would craft oh
I don't think I'll be getting mythic raid drops
cloak and boots trust
no one wants the mace
which was the point of me saying it
Its not just that. Its more so guild thing
idk what that means
Yes
same
no way the timewalking quest this week gives a cape

simming aoe, hell ya
Yeah no way in hell youโd ever replace only one tier piece
just looking at my war who got tier and it's..weird idk
leg (that breaks 4pc) is a gain, but helm that is a major loss
make sims make senes
will we play elune in m+ with and without new tier set?
whats the cleave setup for kotg in raid? natures balance and denizen for twin moons and kindling?
when you get 4p*
Yeah
2p in vault 
ty for advice will do and wait for raid
do you know whats our bis no tierpiece is it the pants from eco dome ?
idk but 
thank you
A sim on the compendium is using shoulders from moth boss
same, wish i could take both
Dunno if that is considered the best
anybody resimmed trinkets after latest nerfs yet?
got the new bee, my job here is done
timewalking nowadays is so dumb holy
it just falls over
idk shoulder ssomething
u coudl;
i would if i wasnt at office
how was your mages vault
Yea probs need to sim first, ty
i got a helm with a socket so not bad i guess
can anyone get storymode on raid to work?
champion track tier piece or heroic track trinket?
how's the raid difficulty so far
living flame off ulduar timewalking is actually super pog? slightly worse version of the raid trinket with on use int
isnt even on the dreamgrove list so probably shit but sim it to be sure
wdym
Parapodia acquired
dunnno what that is but happy for you
yes
It is worth farming it? (I am planning to spam keys for it)
this
5 bosses for that timer is kinda cracked with current gear
but you dont +2 other 10s or
no he just made new account
our first 10 was a streets, tragic really
Eco is insanely free
based
+2โd that with bear tank and 2 pug dps
depleto or?
obvi
Gambit trash sucks as well at beginning
Cope
Sone stupid fish spell one shots me but leaves tbe rest of the party at low health

My only issue with streets was the music boss idk how we didnt even come close to popping her absorb on a 10
Press bark or
The tank pulled half the room i didnt even know which mob was doing it till later when we were doing a small pull and one of the little dudes did puffer fish or sth
Yeah wouldnโt advise standing in the massive blue circle
@meager storm bm hunter kinda cracked
did like 7m overall in a floodgate without multishot talented
honestly doing keys all day i felt pretty good about my dps
idk wat it will look like at the top end but im happy
Why not
true, do it
Streets is ...
rough
Is there a tight timer on the buff for the intermission on music boss?
๐ญ my m+ loot so far
no?
outside of music boss its chill
the shield is just a bit large
They sure buffed that thing, huh
Can do in a sec. Just simmed my inventory after getting it from the weekly chest
I assume you can get same result if you create a gear set
I HIGHLY assume that there is a glitch in the matrix on that one
Im a m+ Andy
that is a crime
legit
these other fight styles are not supported and will only give shit results
How would you sim AoE then

think this is the first hectic add claeve i seen xD
nope
unluck

u playing boomkin?
pink
I prefer playing the worst spec in the game
Boomie got last minute buffs
Ret is still dead
I have made a sim, to go 2p/2p with new 2p on hero track. But its on leg. Is it worth?
with one charge of cat
gg
Probably. Are you raiding this week? Maybe wait with catalysing something until you have all the gear of the week to catalyse, maybe you even get a tier token in raid?
yup, i'm going to HM tonight
well then just wait unless u believe u need the tier for that raid (probably not)
Ok thx
What Fight Style do i choose for simming dungeons? i get errors when i choose Dungeon Slice
hey folks. Sims shows me, to remove 2 items with embalishments and replace them with champion versions of items. Weapon + feet. Should i trust sims? Isnt embalishements good even now?
well higher ilvl weapon will always sim more
If you just read about 10 messages up thereโs a link to the dreamgrove which shows you how to sim mplus
and since you no longer have crafted weapon im assumign your runnign ascension the other embellishment is useless
oh thanks, so it is safe to replace it as sims says? ๐
yes
what are we crafting
4 tier sets from s2 or 2 from s2 + 2 from s3?
this trinket its good?
God bless
bout to grief my first hardmode tazavesh wish me luck
na these guys need to sell the boost back
thats for SURE
sat in interrogation for 10years

are we generally waiting for S3 4pc to replace S2, or breaking at 2pc/2pc
anyone else having trouble to respec talents rn? game says "unable to learn talents", reloaded multi times+relog didnt help
nvm, helped logging onto another char then logging back <.<
Can you die in m+ taz without losing the buff?
Break instantly. Its more damage even without the higher ilvl
Atleast for raid.
Not shure for mplus
anybody else fooooking dying soon
god tazavesh blows balls
was 3500 hard last season?
3.4 was easy atleast
idk above that
but like I wouldnt see you doing 3.5 if that's what you meant
yeah ive seen a few like that already
do we use 2set 2 set?
is the wep and trinket 2 set good?
how bro
why do you even do 2s
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just start at like 7-8
or 10s if you have friends

pro tip
you can't get a keystone if your inventory is full
so go run down some 2s
and keep your inventory full until you're doing 10s
then finish a 10 with an open inventory spot
Hahahaha
if you do tazavesh key, and someone dies in +2 does that remove the hm buff? since it seems auto active when entering?
yes
what did they do to my beloved halls of atonement
o oof
no
it doesnt
Oh I thought you were done goddamn
Do you not have guildies
I only joined the guild like friday so..
thank you!
Which tier piece is our offpiece this tier?
aotc raid is full, might be space in the entry mythic idk tho in the works
new guilds 
no
watching both dps die on sozami because they cant look at shapes is almost funny
if it wasnt an hour
How can aotc be full
Man's got a 40 man roster
literally
man no wonder its impossible to get into any of these groups
it's like a CE team, a trying mythic team, and 3? aotc at differing speeds
is that a new thing
it was a guildie sending the picture idk
must be some addon
its so many signups its lagging my game
whats first cract for balance btw?
How good is this trinket? ๐ฎ
is it 2h weapon craft next week or just pray for the voidglasss weapon
28 int 
why do people forget about simming every patch
sims are bait
are people swapping out all gear as soon as possible even if it's a 4 piece tier set from season2? i remember paladins keeping their old tier set into season two until they had enough pieces for a 2 set in the current season
im simming
i feel like im hoarding champion gear in my bag lol
how would I know I've been logged outa t shamns for 3days
why
I hate them
Whats simming
you usually dont replace until 2p2p
sometimes even later
i defenitly gotta sim after i read up on how to sim m+ my current stats, so am not sure still what flask would be better
remind me again why portals are 8hrs
to punish bad players like you
^
THE HEALER DCED
WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

only have 2 portals this season as is
@mossy estuary whats the secret knowledge you learnt on simming m+ with current stats?
1t5m patch
holy fk boomy is so back
is it back if it's kotg?
boomie so back
EC on demon hunters bro
but its a good week iqni
then back to the bin
BUT ITS A GOOD WEEK
we still go crit mastery on keeper build?
It's mastery + Crit/vers, and u sim all ur gear
Every class is different
ive read the 4set notes on dreamgrove, but would like some clarification: do we follow the usual CD usage after pull, or is there some point in which you do the double CA thing again?
When u get 4p

it is in live sim?
Is the patch live?
Ur stats that u want change when u get new tier, it's pretty shrimple.
And as usual, u sim gear upgrades
Depends on ur ability to get a myth track weapon
Myth Plexus mace better than heroic voidglass
Just played a +7 Live, RIP Boomy ๐ข
?
?
If ur not blasting while people don't have tier, it's a Skrill issue
i have not done it yet x
is 2p 2p better than old 4p do we know?
Yes, u can sim it
ty sir
can we get 2p this week?
u could get 4p this week
don't we just get every 2 weeks the catalyst thing
It is possible. Is it recommended that you do everything necessary to do that? (Catalyst) I don't think so.
Vault, 1 cata this week, 1p from raid, cata charge from 2k/aotc
can timewalking cache give tier now?
I'm already on 4p
it couldn't in the past
no it cant
Erhm
how ๐ญ
Sure, I thought it could
1 from lfr, 1 from vault, 1 from raid (curio) and random warband drop from a raid boss
haven't even used my cata yet
saving that for myth item next week if i can do my 8 m+ runs
Lfr hmm
Lucky
is the vault gear instantly a tier piece?
It can be
Do we
raid finder gear in normal. unlucky
warbound tokens probably
warbound...
sadly only the 688 is tier
So
take it
U can get that trinket from the dungeon
already looted one myself tbh
Also, we not doing t8 delves?
Smh
theyre worthless
I mean..... 4p worthless surr
tier set too strong. i'd rather have 4p a week earlier and a socket a week later
thats what im thinking aswell
rather get that 691 mythic track chest
691 is not myth track..
but i took this... best of both worlds.
No 4p week 1, tragic
Reporting u
First vault is tier or socket. U take a trinket u can readily farm from m+ ur trolling
And ur m0 vault is champ track (which ur delves couldve been hero track if u did t8s)
I'm not a delve lover :/
U don't have to be to understand that doing it gave hero track
Sometimes u do things u don't love so u can get gear
As we say, grow up
Krona tanking normal dimmy, it's all ogre
is Essence-hunter's Eyeglass no good for balance?
I mean, it's likely a trinket u can use til u get better ones
Sockey >
ye
it's just that I couldn't see it anywhere on the balance druid trinket guide, even in F tier
would love to know how good it's considered
Probably wear it
was thinking its probably better than what i have, cheers
Sim it and see surely
how are yall using your crests and upgrades? are yall just upgrading each hero piece at at ime, or like waiting till like next reset to see what to upgrade
And then the shield bursts to heal anjther
U upgrade 3/6 hero items
meanwhile mage only set vault,f this game
how do i know which 3 of my 6 hero items to upgrade?
....
i'm playing balance this season. get used to ignoring me
Hope u fly into the rock on dimmy
Is worth to craft already off hand with ascension?
No, u need mythic weapon
do you think youโre getting a mythic mh right away
1h mace from plexus would be that weapon. Or vault
Also depends on ur need for power
you think Plexus 1h is better with oh craft than the haste/mast staff overall ?
from mythic
Well u don't like haste so
ok ok
Feel free to sim it
Big buttons > more buttons
but what ifโฆ more big buttons







Gamer
already a good tier!!
I pray for your curio
What is this dungeon lmao
streets probably the hardest key rn
i hope you didn't already cata 2 heroic items
ofc not
Yes timer tuff
how do you upgrade cloak guys,i see no quests at that island
you can use the macro
if you got poins that is
points*
dunno if you've upgraded it previously
if youโre at the island already itโs not a quest
ok ty
just talk to the vendor and select the dialogue
which hero talent is better in m+ without new 4p
ec
doin 5-5.5m overall but i think its kinda low
what are others doing
its the same build as last season
Not ideal
even with the new 4p its the same build besides maybe 1 talent change choice
hi friends! i am compeltely new to druid, and i willt ry balance for s3! i have a lot of questions that i need answers for, after reading the guide at wow head.
is it ok if i spam abit of questions here?
Read the compendium in addition to wowhead
That should answer most of your questions, after that feel free to ask about anything you dont udnerstand
ok! i will do so! tyvm
depressing
weekly no leave vault key
Is any of the balance guides made by either a high level raiders or m+ ?
the compendium in pins
You dont
git gud
Seems like you have to pull a bunch of the patrol packs together
Honestly
Because the menagerie/market sections are mostly on rails
We probably lost 5 minutes on the fucking toxic guard mobs
any way of simming for dungeons using mdt routes or just busted since dungeon slice broken for boomie
Not a lot of space to gain time beyond just killing shit faster
sim 1t5m and call it a day
Is there something u particularly need
Never played elune so wanted to read up on it
There's not really much to it.
Use foe on CD generally, press Starfire, don't overcap.
Itโs still the play for ST damage right? Played shaman last two patches so a little out of the loop on boomkin
Do you want 2h staff from raid or 1h as boomie?
Ohhhh kotg is back xD well good thing I asked then xD
Staff is beans
But if no one wants it.... Hmm
But mythic 1h from like plexus or priory is good + oh
Always got a stay up to date
gamz is not high level raider
would you not want the special dagger then? + do you use ascension or algari gem proc thing
The dagger comes from fractilly
probably one of the better KSM mounts thjey have made
And ur not the first choice to give it to most likely
The 1h mace from plexus literally no one wants
gm arctic
So until u get fractilly dagger, it's good
Hi baldy
I mean cyon
That mount fucks, what the
yeah i got it last night before bed but ididnt check it out til now
actually good ksm mount
Kyveza mount forever
Lol

Looked like the correct one
Hi for keeper or elune chosen which one is better ? and how much diffrent ?
Raid scenario
Uhh, depends on said cleaves hp
In most cases the adds die too fast
Soulbinder adds adds have zero HP man
Araz heroic is decent but still played keeper
Most of the raid, is just ST with some cleave
And we're not good with 100m hp mobs
in elunechossen with starsurge we can hit 3 target
Most of ur damage isn't those surges
But u could try it
Ur likely only play EC is soulhunters
Could maybe play it on araz
But u just lose all the boss dam prob
ppl doing 1mil in norm pugs
why not just use single button assist
they are probably 660 ilvl let them be
damn that's the edited message?
Boomie actually blasting in high keys
no enchant
well duh
yea simmin everything
wait until people get 4p
just looted
smh
yo is it worth to break old 4p with low ilvl to get 2p 2p for m+ ?
sim it
there's a string bottom of dreamgrove
its always worth simming things
you only sim st
Shhhh they are going to nerf us again
I got heroic item from raid, surely I get another
Gotta bamboozle the loot council to give me another
Why dis they fucked up our Set Bonusโฆ our gain is so Bad โฆ.
They buffed the class instead
join the loot council
Basically some classes get buffed base and other get tier sets with bigger buffs.
fixed
Im on it
gg
Barely bamboozled the first one man
Elee got 2 mystic drops and only 1 other person bis'd it
forgot to change off radiant power before raid tho
Yoink
unluggy
Imagine enchanting radiant power
more aoe pad in dungeons
U pushin?
Smh
another rank 1 heroic to add to my tinder profile
norm?
Stfu
IM HIM
HES HIM
We wiped 2 times to dinmy
Y'all not locked in?
you snooze you lose iqni
dayraiding is for freaks
I raid at 11pm
its 4 pm here
Tell me about it
https://i.imgur.com/uNApxgm.png take that eu its immortalized now
That could be rank 1 from Black Rock mountain.
2 set groove is work on scale hp ?
excuse you
any weak aura for 2set 4set ?
Oibalance
check dm pls โค๏ธ
Good question
i just went to send you hi to be like that guy
HAHA WTF
i dont even like cars bro
who tf knows
do we still want haste mastery prio?
only low levels
U can sim it, but new set u don't need a lot of haste
all the guide writers are like lvl 75
So, I have an OH from raid. I am thinking of crafting mythic 1h as I'm unlikely to get one of the cantrip weapons from our early mythic kills, and any "savings" on crests for crafting 2h doesn't matter much as I won't be pumping gilded into an offhand until last or 2nd to last item since OH contributes doodoo to dps
Does that logic stand? Am I a big dumb?
U can get 1h myth Plexus macr
Would anyone be able to help me with some sims and what i should put on my druid? ๐
With what
I guess maybe, I'm still trialing and there are some great casters in the raid atm so I think it will likely land somewhere else if it drops anyways
bro is a cutie patootie i'd gladly help out
Just with my weapons if i should craft an OH and which stats to put on it
Boomkin want mastery + Crit/vers
At this stage of an expac you can make an item work with pretty much any stats
I mean, the mace is good even if that was the problem
yeppers, either way I am not sure when we'll be killing plexus, seems like a dps check, so the case for crafting a 1h now seems alright
U craft it if u get myth weapon, and u can just change the stats to see
Press the +
i got the 720 crest so not sure to wait for staff or make OH and which emblishment
Yea but ur holding ur craft til week 2 anyway
So u can wait til u kill it an dsee
It's always a wait week 2 angle
Ur first mythic vault and in this case first plexus kill, will dictate what u do for power that week
2h staff is good for crest efficiency tho
Yeah I mean, if I expect that we can kill it tuesday next week the super giga optimal play is to wait for week 2 craft
but muh ilvl
I might return next week to ask the same question than ๐
ilvl is nice on the early streets of M+ pugging
but yeah you're right on the 100% optimal play
what I'm doing probably isn't big dumb but it might be medium dumb
hey all - tried to read though (and did check pins) but wow there's a lot to read in here.
Are we changing out Tier set as soon as we have 2 set this season? or waiting till be have all 4 before we change?
nub dudu here - won't be mythic raiding or smashing +10's i imagine - but just trying to enjoy the balance again for a change ๐
It's at least, medium dumb
lol
about that
2p is good
tyty
Yall out here getting tier already?
I need another item from raid cuz I didn't get vault
unlucky on vault and lfr for me
Deux, how u get 3p tier no raid and didn't use cata?
might get a hit of tier from later heroic bosses once we get there thu
its including cata ofc
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