no one can guarantee araz on any class
#balance
ebon plover
inb4 sim upgrades
merry crow
Yes but normally I’d be first or second in line. We are just rolling it now
ebon plover
the guild i was in s1 did that and it was god awful
mage pulls up with a darkmoon deck and instantly gets the trinket thats bis for all casters cause its a huge upgrade according to the sim
lofty depot
type shit
doint put any effort in week 1 and get all the loot
instead i do 70+ keys
ebon plover
i did that the following week and got a hero transciever with avoidance 🙂
pallid bay
someone took over my feral pack actually
ebon plover
thought i was gonna get gkicked
dreamy locust
Is it renamed?
If you know
I tried like 4 diff packs in amirdrassil, yours was the goat so I need it again
lofty depot
what do you reasonably need to track on feral
my bleeds so i can snap
what the helly
ebon plover
just click the mob and look how long the bleeds are on for broski
ebon plover
bro bro siwa
pallid bay
https://wago.io/oacvHzytV
yeah this
ebon plover
anyone know if the tindral boomkin form drops from all difficulties ?
raw fox
yeah
junior thicket
is force of nature bugging right now? or is it just my client
it doesnt cast it
at dummies take like 10 tries of pressing until it does
night gulch
terrain issue
meager storm
ye terrain
cant cast it on the square thingy
it says its los
so u gotta cast it near u
junior thicket
ah okay ty, i wondered
meager storm
elder remnant
I fear I may have manifested this
meager storm
the what
elder remnant
Feral supremacy
meager storm
digital berry
My guild goes by performance and dps gain
Like they ensure everyone has 2p before trying for any 4p
scenic mist
Like they ensure everyone has 2p before trying for any 4p
doessnt everyone get 2p from catalyst and aotc ?
lucid olive
doessnt everyone get 2p from catalyst and aotc ?
doesnt everyone get aotc week 1?
smh these noobs
digital berry
doessnt everyone get 2p from catalyst and aotc ?
Yeah but you wanna ensure whatever drops in heroic / normals get spread around enough so people don’t have to cata 2p no
It’d suck to have 0 tier set pieces if someone is getting 4p week 1
fathom tulip
question, this is with 4set right? without it, u hold the 2nd CA charge to match with the FoN coming off CD after the opener right?
digital berry
question, this is with 4set right? without it, u hold the 2nd CA charge to match...
Yes
scenic mist
It’d suck to have 0 tier set pieces if someone is getting 4p week 1
yeah the way we do it is assume everyone is getting 2p by "external means" (ie catalyst x2) and we only give 2 token from the raid to each (or less if vault gave tier)
craggy sonnet
question, this is with 4set right? without it, u hold the 2nd CA charge to match...
without 4set you just play exactly as you did this past season
2p has no gameplay implications
dry compass
i like how @lucid olive video just has a hard cutoff ending
"welp thats it" > video ends
digital berry
No outro wow
lucid olive
"welp thats it" > video ends
yes
i had a take where i said "gamz out" first
but i cut it out
cloud citrus
lol
lucid olive
yeah maybe
i freestyled this video more than i did the 11.1 video
a lot more uhms and ahhhs in this one
vital hound
delicate perch
gamz subathon when 🐼
lucid olive
that wont happen
meager storm
gamz elden ring marathon when
meager storm
its ok not everyone can have good taste
naive yarrow
would anyone be willing to hop in a VC with me and help me out? new to classic wow
lucid olive
would anyone be willing to hop in a VC with me and help me out? new to classic w...
this is a retail discord
meager storm
thats first boss
naive yarrow
nobody is in there
meager storm
u prob dont like open world exploration
and since the game is kinda based around it
u perma went there
and got stuck underleveled
meager storm
but we dont play classic gangy
lucid olive
think i was overleveled for margit
lean trail
Gamz you have a typo in the code for simming in the last line: # trinket1=,id=238386,bonus_id=40/12355/1582/10255,ilevel=/10 I think that should be ilvl 710 🙂
lucid olive
i did the thing with the snake or whatever
lucid olive
Gamz you have a typo in the code for simming in the last line: # trinket1=,id=23...
yeah i caught it earlier
it doesnt matter that much its a delve trinket anyway
lean trail
oki o/
lucid olive
yeah the genre isn't my favorite
but its mostly the controls feel super clunky
everything is slow
i feel like the main difficulty in elden ring is having to press a button 3 seconds before you want your character to move
Sekiro was a lot more fun, I enjoyed that game
but the combat in Sekiro felt more like a rhythm game with parries
I can enjoy soulslike games, but I think soul games themselves just feel too slow
meager storm
u dont like the gear exploration part
lucid olive
think the Jedi Survivor and Jedi Fallen Order games are great, the 2 new God of War games are great too
meager storm
u prefer linear
lucid olive
nah its literally just the combat
meager storm
well the elden ring dlc is pretty fast paced
lucid olive
i didn't even do any gear exploration in Elden Ring, I just followed some youtuber guide on how to get OP quick with samurai
craggy sonnet
u dont like the gear exploration part
tldr much?
meager storm
even after the nerfs is pretty fast paced
dense steeple
yall dont know anything about the real games of our time
the dvd choose your own adventures
lucid olive
I spent like a month after Undermine prog trying to make a dent in all the single player games I hadn't played yet and I gave all of them a fair shot
but idk I didn't like most of them
meager storm
did u do hades
meager storm
its pretty peak if u like rogue likes
meager storm
ggs i got hacked
dense steeple
weird vid file from phone its safe i promise
meager storm
what did i download
lucid olive
i played Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, Red Dead 2, Jedi Survivor, God of War and God of War Ragnarok
cloud citrus
what about Dynasty Warriors Origins that was a fun game
dense steeple
its PvZ
lucid olive
Only Jedi and God of War games I actually finished
meager storm
the minigames
lucid olive
Always got super bored of Red Dead 2
lucid olive
what about Dynasty Warriors Origins that was a fun game
didnt they make a Zelda version of that once
cloud citrus
aa not sure but its pretty fun
fathom tulip
question: when moving, should i try to spend that time using spenders instead of moonfire/sunfire even if it will ruin my starlord stack? i think i focus 2 much on always having it perfectly aligned to maintain starlords count
lofty depot
question: when moving, should i try to spend that time using spenders instead of...
the min max of boomkin is being able to pool asp for movement yes
obviously if u need to moonfire or sunfire in pandemic its fine
fathom tulip
obviously if u need to moonfire or sunfire in pandemic its fine
ye ofc, but if out of pandemic, i should prio using the spenders right?
lofty depot
yessem
digital berry
btw should we play EC until we get 4 set bonus on raid?
No we play kotg in raid
craggy sonnet
i definitely refresh moonfire/sunfire early sometimes if spending seems bad at the moment
pre 4set everything is as it was in the last season
digital berry
If I gotta move and I have asp I’m spending
lofty depot
i think i like clanker now
craggy sonnet
and that was also exclusively kotg
lofty depot
nice guy
lofty depot
maybe hes like apl kekkers? thoughts?
fathom tulip
and 2 piece EC sims higher than 2 piece Keeper
digital berry
No reason to spam moonfire starfire just cause you’re stressing starlord
fathom tulip
but only like 50k
lofty depot
and 2 piece EC sims higher than 2 piece Keeper
u dont want to cast starfires i promise
craggy sonnet
++
digital berry
and it's worth to break the old 4 piece just for the new 2 right?
That’s usually a sim it situation but yeah
craggy sonnet
i think i like clanker now
dont tell anyone
digital berry
Good luck
fathom tulip
:´(
ionic oak
how far is cat now
ionic oak
sheeeesh
never been on such a rollercoaster for learning different classes/specs this much in ever
digital berry
Yeah but you’d have to play feral and that’s cringe
craggy sonnet
really wonder what they used to determine feral was in need of a buff
normal pilot
trinket tuning time
craggy sonnet
while arms gets the big L
normal pilot
gotta redo all your guides
craggy sonnet
as well as the rogues
stuck quartz
who manages the moonkin apl?
drifting nova
only thing demolish does to me in my rotation
is kill me
like it did earlier
imagine your hero talent killing you
scarlet tapir
Is it possible to fall asleep now and wake up at 8 in the morning Wednesday
cloud citrus
if hes aus server time 4 am is when he wake up right
because its saying only a 4 hour maint
delicate perch
gotta redo all your guides
@lucid olive free labour time
delicate perch
who manages the moonkin apl?
@drifting nova does, dm him any questions
mental escarp
in mythic+, is it better to sunfire/moonfire everything and then start normal rotations, or just try to starfall asap?
delicate perch
read mastery
drifting nova
..yes
digital berry
in mythic+, is it better to sunfire/moonfire everything and then start normal ro...
Dot first always
drifting nova
little bit of this little bit of that
drifting nova
arms, balance
delicate perch
So what are the giga turbo FOTM classes for this season
magemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemagemage
jovial hare
arms, balance
drifting nova
<:garf:1182703292313255946>
I'm not intentionally trying to play the shit specs ..
mental escarp
Dot first always
right it was more, a group comes, one guy is off casting, I sunfired the main group and moonfired the main target, do i then sunfire the guy that wasnt initially and moonfire all additional targets?
delicate perch
based actually
cloud citrus
moonfire all teh targets until the other one comes in then sunfire
drifting nova
so what you miss 1 mob with a dot
digital berry
The guy off casting needed to be interrupted stat
drifting nova
obsidian jetty
right it was more, a group comes, one guy is off casting, I sunfired the main gr...
as long as stuff is living long, you should dot them
starfall to not overcap ap
drifting nova
The guy off casting needed to be interrupted stat
having just done the new delve for 2 t8s..I couldnt even solar beam both interrupts
delicate perch
stop fishing for people 
drifting nova
as they were like 45seconds apart
delicate perch
having just done the new delve for 2 t8s..I couldnt even solar beam both interru...
fungal folley is so bis
mental escarp
as long as stuff is living long, you should dot them
okay that helps, ty
digital berry
Fungal today was a bit cringe but fast
cloud citrus
fungal folley is the easiest by far
delicate perch
Fungal today was a bit cringe but fast
what is it today
drifting nova
fungal folley is so bis
I have ptsd from that hellhole so, the drake version of todays delve is balls tho
delicate perch
battery packs?
digital berry
what is it today
Yeah
drifting nova
the kill 3 guardians is much better
cloud citrus
you can 1 shot every single pack with the floaty spores
maybe I don't finish alt delves today
cloud citrus
like a 8 minute 11 this week
digital berry
The save 5 dragons new one was so chill
delicate perch
let me save the little homies
drifting nova
The save 5 dragons new one was so chill
worse than the 3guardians yesterday imo
esp with the kill 100 dragon stuff
digital berry
Oh yeah the kill 100 is so slow
drifting nova
the boss summoning a 2nd at 50 is..not easy
stiff spear
last minute class changes but no buffs to boomy 
errant flint
When do I break my season 2 4 set?
lofty depot
We don't need buffs
dense steeple
when you get season 3 2 set
errant flint
okie
native egret
We don't need buffs
Login MOP
lucid olive
U want buffs in 0.5 not now
guy thinks there's class changes in .5 patch
we're getting a borrowed power item and some new questlines and an event that is super bugged for 2 weeks
and you will enjoy it!!!
night gulch
wheres the trinket tuning? or did i get baited by gas
dense steeple
we're getting a borrowed power item and some new questlines and an event that is...
cant wait tbh
lucid olive
give wowhead a minute they probably post some
cloud citrus
ye fetters got fixed appearently
night gulch
sounds good ❤️
cloud citrus
so i wonder what else will be buffed/nerfed/fixed
lucid olive
cant wait tbh
I'm usually either ambivalent or excited for new content, but the Siren Isle rares being bugged on launch for like 2 weeks actually made me mad
lofty depot
we're getting a borrowed power item and some new questlines and an event that is...
Can that borrowed power item be IFE?
lucid olive
killing the same rare 40 times cause the world quest would disappear when he spawned and the countless idiots making up new reasons for why its bugged
"ooooh its because you have a pet, nooo its because you have him on the wall, ooooh its because your characters geo ID ends with a 10"
digital berry
Bis in pre s3 is insane
lofty depot
IT TAKES 5 MINUTES
obsidian jetty
Bis in pre s3 is insane
it was better with the trinket
now that trinket is fixed, prlly worse
cloud citrus
IT TAKES 5 MINUTES
1200 valourstones dohhhh
lofty depot
7 days go farm
maiden pasture
5 mask is legit a joke xd
wraith tundra
Been out of town for work all week. Do I lock in Boomie
Are tomorrows buffs worth it
lofty depot
Been out of town for work all week. Do I lock in Boomie
what else are u liable to play
stuck quartz
am I cooked? just playing around on dummies and keeper is outperforming EC - am I just not pressing starfire enough for EC?
lofty depot
am I cooked? just playing around on dummies and keeper is outperforming EC - am ...
could be both
stuck quartz
~8.4mil after 5min as keeper, 7.8mil after 5min as EC
digital berry
You’re are most likely doing smth wrong
stuck quartz
You’re are most likely doing smth wrong
wraith tundra
what else are u liable to play
Probably lock out of necessity
lofty depot
lock do be doing better
digital berry
That doesn’t tell nobody much
lofty depot
its crazy we just let mutliple specs be above 6m sim
stone ledge
so with the update to the site, if we get 2 set 2 set its better to go ec til we get 4 set correct
lofty depot
so with the update to the site, if we get 2 set 2 set its better to go ec til we...
"sweet i got tier, let me hit my dick with a hammer" is what that sounds like
digital berry
"sweet i got tier, let me hit my dick with a hammer" is what that sounds like
What are you mainly progging on ?
lofty depot
with those frost nerfs, boomkin
lofty depot
i mean on the site its showing difference of having no set not old tier to new
u know 1% is a fake number right
delicate perch
IT TAKES 5 MINUTES
could spend those 5 minutes not doing that though
lofty depot
yea but then u got 7 less ilvls
digital berry
with those frost nerfs, boomkin
Danny they hit frost that hard ?
lofty depot
its 3% no
but its closer to being reasonable and bamkin amps > frost mage
i refuse to play arcane
stone ledge
aight follow up then, we only care about maxing out the dryad damage on the 4 set for the amp, can we still do old trees before ca til we get 4 set 🙂
digital berry
u know 1% is a fake number right
These sims are so misleading an people make up conclusions about them like there’s no tomorrow huh
lofty depot
aight follow up then, we only care about maxing out the dryad damage on the 4 se...
yes
stone ledge
yippie
lofty depot
the 2set is only this
stuck meadow
stuck quartz
Delve trinket nerfs largely reverted it seems
native egret
wheres ur 691 weapon?
its just pixels calm down
lofty depot
says the one that farmed klaxxi exalted on an expansion that launched 10 years ago
lofty depot
655?
native egret
says the one that farmed klaxxi exalted on an expansion that launched 10 years a...
just dailies
dense steeple
cant equip 2 🙁
drifting nova
says the one that farmed klaxxi exalted on an expansion that launched 10 years a...
just did my dailies, bud, got a problem
more alive than retail
lofty depot
cant equip 2 🙁
so buy the staff?
dense steeple
on a DH?
fast finch
So with the changes for KoTG we are now using KoTG for raiding and EC for m+?
dense steeple
yeah visions fucked dual weilders
dreamy cove
what's the radius of the 4p splash?
dense steeple
not big enough
normal pilot
@pallid bay @lucid olive ok control + CA should be fixed, and cooldown.x.duration for fon/ca/inc/conv will return the adjusted duration if it's cast at that moment accounting for control
craggy sonnet
<@148552191874039808> <@147914503588282368> ok control + CA should be fixed, and...
sorry to bother .. did you adjust cooldown.x.duration again recently?
dsune told me that it was in but it seemed as if the initial duration prior to the first use was set to 0
dry compass
my best fucking kyveza pull and brann stands in a void zone, dies, and the next void zones are double stacked and wreck me
zzzzz
wooden latch
Should the sunseeker explanation in the Talents Description on the compendium be changed for the new season? Still references last season.
lucid olive
<@148552191874039808> <@147914503588282368> ok control + CA should be fixed, and...
Huge moves, thanks
lucid olive
Should the sunseeker explanation in the Talents Description on the compendium be...
Yes thanks I'll do it tomorrow
wooden latch
Happy to help 
lucid olive
soooooooo it is in the pool
Idk they have nerfed old shit before that hasn't been available
They nerfed an azerite power start of this expansion..
craggy sonnet
<@148552191874039808> <@147914503588282368> ok control + CA should be fixed, and...
also really huge feature, thanks for that!
(if only i didnt try to build stupid workarounds that i'll have to resolve again, ouch)
inland glacier
balance is actually so fun on kotg, they feel pretty good in aoe rn, buffs are going to make it insane i bet
craggy sonnet
you mean the ones coming after rwf? 🙂
inland glacier
the ones coming tomorrow? lol
normal pilot
sorry to bother .. did you adjust `cooldown.x.duration` again recently?
it was kind of borked raidbots wasn't updating in correct order but shoudl be resolved now
it might still be borked no warranty no refunds
craggy sonnet
it was kind of borked raidbots wasn't updating in correct order but shoudl be re...
ah! aight, i am gonna try again.
huge qol if it works
wooden latch
Yes thanks I'll do it tomorrow
One more small thing: the single target tree recommends dropping touch of the cosmos, but the ST rotation defaults to having it talented. Barely changes anything, but might be worth fixing at some point.
lucid olive
One more small thing: the single target tree recommends dropping touch of the co...
Thanks
craggy sonnet
it might still be borked no warranty no refunds
ok, either the build is still not quite live or the same issue persists
normal pilot
hm what's the issue
severe yacht
Thanks for your video and work on the guide @lucid olive much appreciated
craggy sonnet
hm what's the issue
so i was testing by just using actions=moonfire,if=cooldown.X.duration<Y type oneliners.
and it seems as if the duration variable is initialized with 0 before the ability is first used. i cant say anything about after that first use.
didnt go further
normal pilot
oh if you don't have action X then cooldown.X doesn't exist so it's 0
you need actions=moonfire,if=cooldown.x.duration<10/x
reef surge
do the incoming buffs make us more relevant in raids and m+
lofty depot
raids yes, m+ its not that big
normal pilot
do you have a need to check cooldown.X without actually having action X in the apl?
reef surge
so we are still like mid of the pack in m+
normal pilot
nobody really knows m+ since nobdy tested post tuning and m+ performance isn't relevant until later in the season after the .5 patch
delicate perch
hear me out, a mage spec
craggy sonnet
do you have a need to check cooldown.X without actually having action X in the a...
ahh, no .. i dont! it was just a silly test that obviously failed to achieve what i intended 😄
normal pilot
primarily simc goes off actions so if some action line isn't in the apl anything related might not get created
craggy sonnet
makes perfect sense
barren cove
dense steeple
how does veng dh live
barren cove
how does veng dh live
healing itself and damage reduction and armor
rancid surge
for the KotG raid talent changes (losing touch of cosmos and umbral inspiration for soul of the forest and crashing star) does that still apply when we're wearing our 4pc undermine tier set?
dense steeple
healing itself and damage reduction and armor
i dont understand it bro
i just slammed kyveza for 13 minutes straight and killed her on a 660 dh
craggy sonnet
why not
would you think that a 660 vdh is less tanky than a 690 boomie?
after that its just mechanics, right?
barren cove
i just slammed kyveza for 13 minutes straight and killed her on a 660 dh
did u die to a mechanic?
or did she actually just auto u to death
craggy sonnet
dense steeple
would you think that a 660 vdh is less tanky than a 690 boomie?
i am not logging into my boomy on purpose
dense steeple
it has Whee! buff
dense steeple
oh they said they don't understand it 😭
yeah i dont understand how veng just doesnt die
meager storm
for the KotG raid talent changes (losing touch of cosmos and umbral inspiration ...
no
barren cove
bc souls heal a lot
dense steeple
she got like 11 stack buff, never dropped below 85%
meager storm
true viper
Bro 💀
true viper
when is boomkin going on the big list of numbers
lofty depot
when u kill araz and slam ur cds into his damage amp at 6m
tight dagger
Is the Balance Tuning a buff ??
true viper
Nah
tight dagger
I dont underdtand Because Balance is looking Bad in Raid
dense steeple
ok
lofty depot
I dont underdtand Because Balance is looking Bad in Raid
it was a previous buff
depends on hp of adds and shit
the raid isnt full st
tight dagger
Okay, i just checked some Tier list, almost in B Tier ..
lofty depot
tier lists are fake
cloud citrus
lol
dense steeple
?
oak mural
whats the tier set math now for boomkin? i see the pin but that just says the change from the friday balance not total value
delicate perch
1 billion
lofty depot
whats the tier set math now for boomkin? i see the pin but that just says the ch...
what math are u looking for
oak mural
just 4pc to 4pc total % dps increase
digital berry
just 4pc to 4pc total % dps increase
How is that math relevant in any way
It’s like 30 ilvls
digital berry
What if that person is the blue parser
jade flume
Start recruiting
digital berry
( you can sim that yourself with 2 clicks on raidbots btw )
jade flume
Id sim it with gear compare but idk what changes there were or if they are present already in newest profiles
lofty depot
just 4pc to 4pc total % dps increase
i need to resim it cuz idk it might have changed
oak mural
( you can sim that yourself with 2 clicks on raidbots btw )
im not a boomkin nor have a raidbots for a boomkin, im trying to understand how their set changed % to understand tier priority for my guild
jade flume
Double it tho since bamkins are built diff
digital berry
Was that after the buffs ?
lofty depot
so 684 to 684 is 4%
oak mural
Warlocks are getting like 40%
as a warlock that is sadly not the value of our tier set, would be fun tho
lofty depot
as a warlock that is sadly not the value of our tier set, would be fun tho
close enough
jade flume
as a warlock that is sadly not the value of our tier set, would be fun tho
Idk what it is now but was like a mili for diabolist destro
oak mural
close enough
nerfed by 45% today tbf, thats pre nerf numbers
digital berry
28% 684 to 684??
jade flume
But i think they simmed 710
lofty depot
big ilvl gamers
next kelp
which hero talents we take now?
digital berry
Same as s2
next kelp
gross.
digital berry
You want ec in raid ?
next kelp
I want Kotg in m+
digital berry
Unless you’re pushing title, nobody is stopping ya tbh
next kelp
and i prefer to never play the other hero talents at all lol
severe yacht
Just checking my interpretation, with Keeper 4 set you use CA then FoN 2 GCD's in? Whereas within 4 set you use FoN before CA still.
lofty depot
and i prefer to never play the other hero talents at all lol
u could likely do that
lofty depot
Just checking my interpretation, with Keeper 4 set you use CA then FoN 2 GCD's ...
yes
ca > 2 surges > trees > convoke
digital berry
Ca + 2 surges is only one gcd tho
severe yacht
This is going to test the muscle memory but thanks ❤️
digital berry
Well ca isn’t on the gcd so is that enough time to have fon affect dryad ?
jade flume
What is fon
digital berry
Trees
barren cove
lofty depot
Well ca isn’t on the gcd so is that enough time to have fon affect dryad ?
i mean first its not doing kyveza
nows its muscle memory
CAN WE LOCK THE FUCK IN
digital berry
Im talking about actual math timing im trying to understand
I don’t have time to grind kyveza for hours bro
craggy sonnet
Well ca isn’t on the gcd so is that enough time to have fon affect dryad ?
- gcd: CA + surge
- gcd: surge
- gcd: FoN
every surge eats a gcd
meager storm
took me under hour and half lock in
craggy sonnet
so you FoN at the earliest 2s+ into CA
jade flume
took me under hour and half lock in
Built diff
craggy sonnet
dryad buff lasts 10s and CA 12s
lofty depot
I don’t have time to grind kyveza for hours bro
U DID
digital berry
1. gcd: CA + surge
2. gcd: surge
3. gcd: FoN
Oh yeah I didn’t even consider fon being a cd my bad
Too broke to waste that many pots
lofty depot
and then yea u watch the buff
dryad ends and u have 2 seconds left on ca
so u press 2nd ca and send 2 surges
digital berry
That’s in the opener right
lofty depot
yes
lofty depot
and at 4mins
6m if u hold
digital berry
Is it 2 1 2
craggy sonnet
you want to line up the doubla CA again without losing
digital berry
Third ca is natty and then hold until 2 charges again
lofty depot
if ur fight ends ast 430ish yes
craggy sonnet
whenever that is
craggy sonnet
yea whatever
digital berry
Oh so you start holding at different times depending on fight gotcha
craggy sonnet
thats all fight specific shit
but damn .. you just made me realize sim would also wanna hold the doubla CA for 6mins to use pot...
grrrr
thanks
digital berry
Who is simming 6 minutes
digital berry
Wasn’t that just to test out eye
craggy sonnet
but thats only relevant for kezan
digital berry
Yeah
craggy sonnet
ye
jade flume
6 mins > 5 mins
digital berry
But also, how long would a fight have to be for us to do like triple double ca ?
craggy sonnet
long
craggy sonnet
cuz you dont want to waste trinket either
lofty depot
clanker check dm
lofty depot
But also, how long would a fight have to be for us to do like triple double ca ?
uhh 8 something
digital berry
Wait are we using trinkets and pots on second ca ?
lofty depot
can look
lofty depot
Wait are we using trinkets and pots on second ca ?
no he means at 6m
digital berry
Would that be 2 2 2 ?
And are we absolutely positive this is better then just sending them solo
lofty depot
2 1 2 1 2
lofty depot
well that wehn convoke is up
digital berry
Oh so outside the first double ca you only convoke on the singles ?
jade flume
Man if i get tier on looqd from vault and tier slot item from map
Im sending 2p insta
lofty depot
Oh so outside the first double ca you only convoke on the singles ?
well ur convoking every ca mark on the 21212
every one of those numbers ur convoking
digital berry
Damn I mean I guess that’d be a 10 minute fight
lofty depot
thats a 9m fight
digital berry
Close enough
lofty depot
10% less
jade flume
Man im so hyped for the raid tho
It better be a bangier
If nexus boi is a 50 puller its joever
digital berry
I know I’m gonna grey parse until lorrgs comes out and I have timings
Yeah if final boss is like gally it’s joever
lofty depot
I know I’m gonna grey parse until lorrgs comes out and I have timings
just watch adeptxo
he'll show the way
severe yacht
Maybe a silly question but are both hero trees now competative for Mythic + and Raid or is it still KOTGR Raid and Mythic + EC?
digital berry
Same as it was
In the sense that you can play both in both content types but one is better suited
lofty depot
Maybe a silly question but are both hero trees now competative for Mythic + and ...
the latter
low keys u could probably play keeper
digital berry
Its just not gonna feel too good on higher keys
severe yacht
Thanks I will stick to being basic 😄
Plus I find trees weird
Although the Dryad is cool
leaden birch
what renown are people rn for karesh
lofty depot
9
grand niche
Only played tonight this week and am 5
tardy hare
I'm simming way more with 2+2 than new 4p 😮 weird
lofty depot
or do so... egregiously
lofty depot
I'm simming way more with 2+2 than new 4p 😮 weird
show
leaden birch
they're banning for the spark of war thing I saw
which is stupid af but typical blizz
tardy hare
sim doesn't understand that head enchant doesnt work?
lofty depot
IDK UNTIL U LINK THE SIM
tardy hare
oh
lofty depot
go dwon there and click the box and type ptr=1
and chance ur version to latest
but u wear new tier at 684
both 2p and 4p
tardy hare
just the ptr=1 to header?
lofty depot
ye
tardy hare
ok 4p at heroic lvl is almost 200k upgrade 🙂
lofty depot
% >
barren cove
leaden birch
yep i have no idea what I'm missing to get to renown 9/10
must be some degen shit like farming wqs
vapid kayak
all wqs with contract
tiny urchin
about the same im also 1k away from 9
lofty depot
must be some degen shit like farming wqs
Wq contract and some dmf stuff surely
lofty depot
how many wqs did people farm <:deadge:1006645546892664852>
Cleared the map all week bud
leaden birch
on 1 char or multiple
lofty depot
Both
leaden birch
lofty depot
Do bountiful delve when log on
Get big item surely
Maybe take lunch open vault and do delve
Time same for when I get home
late dawn
fate weaver is still bad right
jade flume
Is it even a thing in s3
late dawn
i just got it at adventurer track
jade flume
I think it was slightly better than regular weapon at equal ilvl
But atr adventurer is worthless obv
whens na going to post piss vaults
thorn nebula
Kinda no need for that when I'm actually providing accurate information with linked sources and I went through the trouble of downloading simulationcraft, getting it working locally on my computer, and added the print statements.
@true viper
delicate perch
He’s just memeing is ok
jade arrow
looks very detailed to me think hes just a boomkin main 😒
sudden pawn
jade arrow
but that looks like good news to me 😈
thorn nebula
We have an apply override: base_t( n, p, p->apply_override( s, p->talent.orbital_strike ), f ), - I was initially concerned that this might be problematic but I added print statements to the constructor and it really thinks the base CD of CA is 90 seconds.
/* Added to the CA constructor
sim->out_log.printf("CA constructed: cd_dur=%.1fs | charges=%d\n",
cooldown->duration.total_seconds(), cooldown->charges);
0.000 CA constructed: cd_dur=90.0s | charges=2
loud kettle
3rd charge of CA should come up at 1:15
thorn nebula
no 1:25
loud kettle
Its 100s cd right
thorn nebula
1:40 - 15 = 1:25
thorn nebula
what are you saying lol
100s = 1 minute 40 seconds
thorn nebula
Lmao that talent is bugged in game
obsidian jetty
we have a talent that gives -10s to CA cd
thorn nebula
then
obsidian jetty
and another that gives -15
thorn nebula
I just checked in game again and incarn goes on 1:25 CD
I didn't realize that other talent reduces cd btw so my bad for saying something wrong with the sim
but if I put incarn on CD in game with that talent + whirling stars with 2 charges after 15 seconds it goes to 1:25 CD
and then the 2nd charge goes on 1:40 CD
100% bugged in game
drifting nova
https://tenor.com/view/cat-cooking-let-me-cook-cat-let-me-cook-let-him-cook-gif-14801096915973119105
royal zenith
So I had chatgpt check what you're saying, and it's wrong
mighty mica
ew
royal zenith
mighty mica
should be a criminal offence
bro you just used an ai gif
shut panther
obsidian jetty
that's real, not ai
royal zenith
meager storm
So I had chatgpt check what you're saying, and it's wrong
chatgpt is legit, my clanka would never lie
mighty mica
?
thorn nebula
Am I just drunk or is there something i'm missing
loud kettle
nah it probably is bugged, normal wow stuff
loud kettle
Try relogging or switching to os and back
loud kettle
Yea that would do it too
thorn nebula
like how tf does that happen
jade arrow
he wrote a thesis and he didnt talent into it 
obsidian jetty
yea that video you showed doesn't prove anythign either
you need to overcap 2 charges to get the 15s CDR
and you weren't talented into the -10
so it would be max CD
in your vid
jade arrow
welp rip my dreams of boomkin oversimming 
round field
like how tf does that happen
idk but its been bugged all xpac
thorn nebula
i swear i had that talented but anyway I'm glad it's not a bug with the simc engine or with our class at least
obsidian jetty
i swear i had that talented but anyway I'm glad it's not a bug with the simc eng...
there's been a bug for awhile as well when swapping between orbit strike and whirling that could cause problems as well. Not sure because I havn't talented into orbit strike since dragonflight or something
thorn nebula
Also in a 5 minute sim is that talent even actually worth it for us?
we won't get an extra cast of incarn out of it
obsidian jetty
our CD talents are just annoying and it's common to have a WA that swaps back and forth between control of the dream between combat pulls
since it bugs out often
obsidian jetty
Also in a 5 minute sim is that talent even actually worth it for us?
the -10 allows a line up at 4m for double CA
it will depend on the fight timing tho
some bosses it could be worth just not running it and holding CA abit, or doing 3m CA double etc.
vale pebble
Also in a 5 minute sim is that talent even actually worth it for us?
5min sim by default is 4:10-5:50
somthin lik dat
obsidian jetty
think it's 4-6
vale pebble
has some variance
loud kettle
4-6 close enough
obsidian jetty
20%
thorn nebula
ah it's variable length?
vale pebble
ja
obsidian jetty
baseline yea
thorn nebula
I see the sim gamz did earlier it ran till 5:15
obsidian jetty
you can set variance=0
loud kettle
well sim is many many iterations, the ability timeline or whatever is just iteration 2
thorn nebula
Yeah for sure, the sample sequnce just shows a single iteration
loud kettle
Number being a median value iirc
obsidian jetty
think the timeline just picks a random iteration near the middle to show
loud kettle
im pretty sure it sends literally the second iteration
could be a giga highroll or whatever
obsidian jetty
loud kettle
Wouldn't be the first time im wrong tho
vale pebble
Wouldn't be the first time im wrong tho
yea i feel like i remember it being highroll
some 4:15 shit appearing in my face
but ive never seen below 4:10 (pure chance)
thats why i thought its 4:10-5;50 (i made it up)
loud kettle
Making stuff up can be fun sometimes
vale pebble
@thorn nebula true?
livid jay
guys enjoy the calm before the na people wake up and spam us with vaults
pearl pivot
loud kettle
guys enjoy the calm before the na people wake up and spam us with vaults
Wake up, complain about maintenance, complain about maintenance, tell people that this is why the advantage isnt much for rwf
thorn nebula
There are some interesting trade-offs with the extra reduction time.
You either end up sitting on trees for ~30 seconds or you sit on convoke for ~30 seconds to line up everything with the 2nd double incarn.
If you run without the cdr you don't sit on trees but you sit on convoke for nearly a minute.
Depending on the fight timer you might end up running convoke outside of cds if you wanted to squeeze the extra one in without waiting
Trees will be coming off CD around 3:36 but if you want to cast double incarn at 4:00 you need to hold the tress till then - with control of the dream you're only actually losing 15 seconds though
dreamy cove
was there some setting you can change on kyveza to make the facing clone mechanic easier?
livid jay
and outline mode to max
round field
There are some interesting trade-offs with the extra reduction time.
You either ...
yeah who would have guessed having all cds desynced timer wise would end up with you haveing scuffed timers
livid jay
and look at the red outline of the clones, not at the arrows
dreamy cove
thanks
livid jay
Guys in our new opener we press CA again instantly after the dryad fades away, so we overlap our CA buff ye?
like we loose ca uptime to have the dryad buffed surges feed into the next dryad?
and to have them inside the trees window
so this (+moonfire sunfire before that)
ocean condor
that trees is to early
livid jay
2 globals?
ocean condor
yeah just looks like it end early
ocean condor
you want it to overlap with the start your second CA
livid jay
exactly so u need to press your second CA early thats the point of my question above
like you press it before the first CA even ends
right?
ocean condor
you you arent overlapping CA
livid jay
idk dreamgrove guide says 2 globals inside CA u press trees (keep in mind i left away the two globals of oddting in this so timer is offset by 2 secs)
ocean condor
thorn nebula
0:00 Use Incarn (2->1 charge)
0:00 Use Trinket
0:04 Use Trees
0:05 Use Convoke
0:12 Use Incarn (1->0 charge)
Starsurge
Starsurge
0:14 Harmony Ends
Really gonna be like 0:01-0.02 cause you want to dot first but you get it
livid jay
well that is not what the compendium says but maybe
@lucid olive
help
like you gotta press CA again right as the dryad fades if the point of this is to feed the two empowered surges into the next dryad window
thorn nebula
as soon as you press incarn the new driad window starts
livid jay
or u are just not surging for two globals
clever ibex
You mean CA?
livid jay
yea ca
thorn nebula
and you will have the buff going into that
it doesn't just disappear when the first CA ends
e.g. you can sit and do nothing for 10 seconds if you want to and then cast the 2nd CA and the 2 buffed starsurges will still count toward the next driad window
livid jay
yea if you are not casting any surges during those 10 seconds 😄
But dont you agree that the compendium says you press trees two globals into your incarn?
livid jay
it says it in the prio list and in the "how to play with this 4 set" section
lets see what gamz says to the ping when he comes online
round field
but if it does that is (most likely) wrong
knowing ur history ur probably wrong
livid jay
knowing ur history ur probably wrong
idk he has better logs than you and me and gamz so might be i am wrong
livid jay
😄
round field
the dumbest players are usually the ones with the higherst io
round field
plush obsidian
ive only played m+ on my boomie and want to raid but only ever played EC, is EC complete ass in raid compared to KOTG?
thorn nebula
it's okay he can clutch to the compendium even if it is wrongly written and green parse like last tier
livid jay
ive only played m+ on my boomie and want to raid but only ever played EC, is EC ...
no its like 3% behind
jaunty blaze
I mean what the compendium says is what the apl does isnt it
livid jay
it's okay he can clutch to the compendium even if it is wrongly written and gree...
daaamn bro
thorn nebula
it's probably an accident, Gamz can illuminate when he comes online i'm not gonna try to talk for him
plush obsidian
oh thank god, anywehre i can find an EC raid build? im assuming its different that the m+ one?
drifting nova
oh thank god, anywehre i can find an EC raid build? im assuming its different th...
you assume boldly
livid jay
oh thank god, anywehre i can find an EC raid build? im assuming its different th...
dreamgrove guide pinned to this channel
jaunty blaze
Its interesting to know what is the correct way
jade flume
I checked the sim and it does 2 starsurges into trees
round field
it does yes
jade flume
Is that what the contention was?
livid jay
yea thats what compendium says
royal zenith
what's the question
livid jay
but someone must have put that into the apl
livid jay
what's the question
trees 4 seconds or two globals into CA?
royal zenith
the thought behind it is aligning trees with the dryad
livid jay
yea
plush obsidian
you assume boldly
oh its the same 
livid jay
if u press it on 2 globals u gotta press the next CA pretty early to fit the empowered surges into the trees window
but if thats worth and they simmed it it is what it is
royal zenith
the surges are mostly cause they're valuable gcd's
livid jay
but clecia says u press it 4 seconds in
livid jay
which would allow u to press second CA a bit later and loose less CA uptime
royal zenith
you can also do nothing for a few seconds and have it align
but that's pretty inefficient
I've also seen talks about overlapping CA's and lose a few seconds so Im not sure what that was about
You have a bit of a weird vibe going on
livid jay
xD
royal zenith
@ clecia
livid jay
did u put it on 4 globals after CA?
royal zenith
You have people working on APL for several weeks and optimizing to the best they can, if there's improvements to be made that's always a good thing
don't have to be a wise-ass about it
livid jay
i wasnt getting any bad vibes its all good
thorn nebula
I'm not shitting on the work people have done before - quite the opposite. I'm saying that they aren't done yet
So take everything with a grain of salt
and don't trust everything written in the compendium - it is most likely not 100% accurate
lone sonnet
Hello, brothers. There's a visual bug with Balance Druid's Full Moon skill.
Is this something that happened after the Season 3 patch?
royal zenith
What you're saying is most likely also not 100% accurate
round field
dw they will do some funky changes after rwf and have them rewrite the apl again
round field
Hello, brothers. There's a visual bug with Balance Druid's Full Moon skill.
Is t...
what bug
probably not very known since no one really uses the talent
round field
i loooooooooove delves
royal zenith
fungal > all
round field
i tried doing the thing
where u skip to the stone
and fish for the portal
but i got it spawned like once in 15 runs
round field
I HAVE
vale pebble
to the delve guy
round field
it got
lone sonnet
what bug
When I cast a skill, it deals damage, but I can't see anything visually. All other skills work normally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR3dnfh0ecE&ab_channel=Jang
round field
no way its just lower chance
zealous otter
We can use swords?
vale pebble
We can use swords?
moonkin can not use swords.
livid jay
When I cast a skill, it deals damage, but I can't see anything visually. All oth...
interesting, let me try too
round field
no
lone sonnet
interesting, let me try too
OK sir
zealous otter
moonkin can not use swords.
Didnt think so..
clever ibex
so just a confusing question, but you prepull with wrath, which makes you enter lunar eclipse, but it still says to build astral with wrath, isn't that less damage then?
clever ibex
yeah but when ca is on cd
jaunty blaze
Its just precast for free dam
clever ibex
but yes true, didn't think of that since I'm iq 70
livid jay
prepull means before the raidfight starts, you only do that opener once at the start of the fight
its two free wraths because they dont reach the boss until the fight timer starts
livid jay
OK sir
yea fullmoon animation is bugged
if you play EC you even see the two small fullmoons hit but you dont see the big one
at least it does damage
lone sonnet
yea fullmoon animation is bugged
Thanks for checking, I will report this issue to Blizzard KR.
livid jay
yea i reported it ingame too
swift elbow
What hero talent has you guys been running on Kyvesa ??
livid jay
i been trying EC just cause its a bit easier to just press wrath all the time and not have to look at eclipses and ive gotten it to like 45% so far
also tried guardian spec
plush obsidian
am i missing something? dreamgrove ec raid build has an extra point?
livid jay
which is way more forgiving damage taken wise but takes longer 😄
plush obsidian
i cant get denizen of the dream
plush obsidian
oh, thought it was lit up. thanks
tribal stone
Hey, can some1 tell me what stats we should build for m+ and raid? Looking on guides and i saw lot of options…
For example kotg raid mast>vers (bloodmallet and Maxroll)
iron chasm
It’s usually mastery > haste and then whatever stats. Some crit, maybe some vers. But alwyas sim
livid jay
and never look at bloodmallet
drifting nova
follow bloodmallet with your life
livid jay
but yea usually mastery>haste>anything else
iron chasm
It’s never mastery > vers. Bloodmallet is not updated for balance Druid. Maxroll is good if you play Diablo
patent girder
If I already have a crafted weapon from last season, can I just upgrade it next week or do I have to craft a new one?
iron chasm
You can recraft it with new spark + new crest afaik
tribal stone
If I already have a crafted weapon from last season, can I just upgrade it next ...
U can recraft it using Spark
patent girder
Ok, thanks guys!
iron chasm
tribal stone
Thanks for advices with stats
drifting nova
It’s never mastery > vers. Bloodmallet is not updated for balance Druid. Maxroll...
it's crit > all
livid jay
It’s never mastery > vers. Bloodmallet is not updated for balance Druid. Maxroll...
since echo is doing the maxroll wow guides, they are pretty decent tbh
drifting nova
noxxic til I die
iron chasm
since echo is doing the maxroll wow guides, they are pretty decent tbh
Why use maxroll ever when we have the dreamgrove, it’s just leagues above everything else for us
delicate perch
Why read when can go off vibes
round field
Why use maxroll ever when we have the dreamgrove, it’s just leagues above everyt...
You shouldnt trust dreamgrove
livid jay
Why use maxroll ever when we have the dreamgrove, it’s just leagues above everyt...
i mean ye im not using maxroll im just saying its not so bad 😄
summer kayak
so what you think now guys about boomie for m+ keys 1-10 ? it's better since new buffs? comparing with hunter MM as example?
worldly plume
iron chasm
You shouldnt trust dreamgrove
Take that back
Last time I trusted another source I ended up kyrian
upbeat nimbus
Hey,
Been working on my gear/rotation got the hang of it including priorities, been a while since playing boomie since wrath...
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/darkmoon-faire/bréalan/
this is my most recent simc
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nuCvkW4p6YzA151RvzG6S5
Is there something i am doing wrong? I just feel that it has to be me and not the spec, It can be unforgiving. I often seem to cutshort CtS with starsurge, I would be eternily grateful for a critique as Ive only been back a month, so looking be in a great position for Manaforge heroic and get pushing mythic.
livid jay
Are you talking about m+ or single target/raid?
upbeat nimbus
M+ seems situational, I can hit massive numbers on trash packs, but single target it can be hit and miss.
livid jay
You are following the prio list on the dreamgrove compendium? Its kind of hard to help you if we dont have any evidence of your gameplay. But it seems like someone has logged a few of your raid encounters on warcraftlogs. I am going to take a look
acoustic pawn
livid jay
M+ seems situational, I can hit massive numbers on trash packs, but single targe...
Ok right of the bat i can see a couple things you are doing bad/wrong in your single target rotation.
I am currently looking at this fight:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t3B94nwjXKFAy26g?fight=25&type=casts&view=timeline&source=525
round field
Hey,
Been working on my gear/rotation got the hang of it including priorities, ...
your talent page is a bit