"expert"
#balance
vital hound
lofty depot
but we hit cap giga easily
obsidian jetty
can't wait for ppl to troll others in taza by suiciding before keystone to remove other's hardmode buff
lofty depot
well ec hero talents are based around foe and moons
lucid olive
hey thats me
lofty depot
and its always used
digital berry
Does kyveza actually give a vault slot ?
lofty depot
Does kyveza actually give a vault slot ?
yea lock in
lucid olive
yeah its myth track
inland glacier
just wondering if the 8% made ec balance decent
digital berry
I am not falling for this egregious bait
obsidian jetty
it's actually titanforged mythic vault
elder remnant
is it bait?
or are you being memed to believe it's bait so you're behind the curve
tacit oriole
elder remnant
you got it @lofty depot ?
how'd you trigger the special event
or is it actually rng
drifting nova
Does kyveza actually give a vault slot ?
why do you think tettles is going so hard?
delicate perch
blizz seen him farmed by kyveza so they buffed us, bless up tettles
lofty depot
how'd you trigger the special event
not leaking
elder remnant
not leaking
dm
digital berry
why do you think tettles is going so hard?
What else is there to do bro
lucid olive
What else is there to do bro
i can think of a few things..
lofty depot
10 renown
lofty depot
lock in
lofty depot
CAN I GET A STACK HELOO12!?!
jade flume
feral and bamkin
lofty depot
bear and feral is piss easy
boss die in like 7 minutes or u just afk and dodge lines
elder remnant
I think the ?? vault slot is only if you trigger the special event portal thing while fighting kyveza right?
jade flume
You gotta trigger dn mid fight and kill it
dense steeple
do you think i could beat kyveza on a 650 veng dh
jade flume
probably
dense steeple
just gotta look at the idiots right
jade flume
thats why we're here
lofty depot
do you think i could beat kyveza on a 650 veng dh
yea, cuz brann got buffed
dense steeple
healer bran or dps bran?
jade flume
dps if u tankerman
lofty depot
u cna play bear and not use a defensive ever and just heal
drifting nova
wait do you do dps brann or
jade flume
heal if ur dpsman
lofty depot
healer bran or dps bran?
idk
elder remnant
bro we sent a map to see if it worked last night and brann's stupid ability triggered and blocked my whole screen
and i died to not looking at them
elder remnant
nah fuck that
lofty depot
smh
elder remnant
champ track is for losers
lofty depot
says the loser
obsidian jetty
arn't keys hero track
lofty depot
ye
obsidian jetty
get on that shit, hero track OP
lofty depot
gonna proc a weapon and giga blast
meager storm
gonna proc a weapon and giga blast
belt and cloaks is all u get bud
elder remnant
how much misinformation do i need to spread to get orange name
lofty depot
belt and cloaks is all u get bud
i got 6 keys, surely not 6 cloaks
elder remnant
surely i can look at logs and tell people they're doing their opener wrong that can't be too hard
jade flume
man i really hope i get a tier piece from my vault
dense steeple
how do i get there
jade flume
need 2p on looqp or tazavesh hm is gg
elder remnant
Brother my guild has 28 people
lofty depot
surely i can look at logs and tell people they're doing their opener wrong that ...
surely
elder remnant
how am i ever getting tier completed
lofty depot
what about a strict 5m
dense steeple
oh i forgot to look at it lmao
delicate perch
u cna play bear and not use a defensive ever and just heal
dense steeple
i cannot do it on a 650 veng
dense steeple
unless brann heals and i play perfect for 30 years
lofty depot
do I need to do t11 to unlock it again
10 i think
u do more of phases right so longer fight
delicate perch
lofty depot
but dont have to worry about dying except to 1 shots
elder remnant
<:holup:804731746712813588>
honestly he's not too wrong
dense steeple
everything is a 1 shot at 650
lofty depot
honestly he's not too wrong
i watched someone play guardian and not press ironfur ever
so
elder remnant
was it me?
delicate perch
stop watching me wtf
glossy jungle
bind ironfur with thrash. Never forget about pressing it again 
delicate perch
you on tank duties for m+ wednesday mr Cavey?
probably 
elder remnant
bind ironfur with thrash. Never forget about pressing it again <:FeelsGood:96596...
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@lime badge illegal tech
glossy jungle
vibe tech
elder remnant
feelsgo
glossy jungle
elder remnant
feelsgo
glossy jungle
my phones auto correct is being cancerous today. Unlucky
lime badge
elder remnant
SURELY
damage amp + aug evoker we're BIS
getting aug'd to buff our dryad big tech tell sep
drifting nova
eww aug
elder remnant
my aug is my best friend 🙂
potent cargo
zimp
inland glacier
ok i actually like grove
i like the astral stuff on ec more but grove is actually pretty cool
and solo content is great with it
dense steeple
things only m+ fotm rerollers would say
drifting nova
had a reroller in my ara earlier
say he didnt know the way
or where his healing was coming fromk
tbf I dont know where
dense steeple
i just afked a t11 delve as a 650 dh
drifting nova
it's leech right?
drifting nova
I pushed my dh through the tutorial once
and not played it since
3rd spec though for sure
dense steeple
thats why im playing it as an alt this tier
i always have my yolo alt for fun each tier
drifting nova
I need to stop trying to play 2mains idk
dense steeple
this tier will be dh cause 3rd dh spec im definitely going to be a RWF level competitor as
drifting nova
still need to find a new guild
dense steeple
gonna main swap to entropy dh, get scouted by liquid and be in RWF next tier as new sick ass hero spec
drifting nova
zzz
dense steeple
i'll run 12 mirror DHs
all entropy
go hang with goop and the boys in california
then quit my day job and become a fulkl time streamermans
and teach noobs how to play blue dh
leaden birch
did gamz kill kyveza?
dense steeple
making up spec names
entropy dh mark my words lil bro
leaden birch
wait I'm stupid, it took him 206
drifting nova
entropy dh mark my words lil bro
so it's just perma gambling?
like that rogue spec that already exists
raw isle
but this was my gear soloing a t11 delve
i was about to ask how u have horns as a druid
LOL
boreal brook
Does anyone have sims comparing double on use to passive + active?
Araz's Ritual Forge lasting 30s seems like we should be double buffed for the big surges?
Or am I overcooking?
delicate perch
yea ur not doing content as druid so not needed
craggy sonnet
Does anyone have sims comparing double on use to passive + active?
Araz's Ritu...
wdym overcooking?
yes .. with forge you will double up on CAs every other convoke
cloud lion
craggy sonnet
i dont think double on-use makes much sense
but i will also not try to optimize the apl for it
drifting nova
lofty depot
Or am I overcooking?
its possible, but like every tier, 2 on use is wip for a bit
u get a lot of int from araz regardless
so ur adding a million or so, but araz with convoke :/
so idk
boreal brook
u get a lot of int from araz regardless
The Araz giving int seems good for 'storing' the damage, then still having it + another trinket for the 'spend' seems like you'd get a lot of value.
Especially with how peak/valley the damage profile is.
lofty depot
The Araz giving int seems good for 'storing' the damage, then still having it + ...
soooo if u use araz its 10 seconds after that u get the surges right... so idk 30k int trinkey -10k.... u get 20k int at the end vs 30k int
so 120k + 20k vs 120 +30k
140x10 vs 150x10
its not a lot
lofty depot
that 10k int could be more benefitial to convoke rather than those surges
but its a sim question that idk
boreal brook
My follow-up question:
Is the damage cap your dryad can store snapshot, or does it update over time?
It updates, right. That's why you'd go bear near the end when it was hp based?
normal pilot
it's w/e it's at when the dryad ends
boreal brook
Thanks all! ❤️
normal pilot
there's no cap while you're storing
fossil sedge
will boomy b decent for m+ or did we go down alot ?
fossil sedge
they will b toward the top at higher keys tho right ?
just deciding if i wanna do my druid or rogue this season
delicate perch
are you doing the higher keys though
lofty depot
just deciding if i wanna do my druid or rogue this season
well, this seasons meta doesnt matter for 6 months
and theres tuning for classes after rwf and between patches thru 0.5 and 0.7
fossil sedge
is boomy still running the lunar only build again
where we only go in lunar eclipse ?
lofty depot
ec in m+, yes
stuck quartz
what is the % diff between EC and keeper with new 4set in M+
I haven't seen any new sims rolled out sorry if question has been asked
covert coyote
pins
stuck quartz
The pin doesn't say anything about m+ 🙂
craggy sonnet
simming m+ is kinda fake or rather hard to get reasonably right
but its gonna be ec
crisp topaz
Its also somewhat impossible to say how much more ec is doing over kotg as it will depend on a lot of factors
stuck quartz
just more curious to know if EC is viable to fit some prio damage into keys if needed
crisp topaz
Play mage or rogue for prio 
stuck quartz
prio + funnel
craggy sonnet
kotg doesnt have funnel anymore
lofty depot
its also prio not funnel
stuck quartz
Play mage or rogue for prio <:9catsmilee:1092926938764550144>
not everyone has access to a perfect meta comp
lofty depot
but shrug
stuck quartz
4pc makes starfall damage increase next 2 SS casts when it ends right?
lofty depot
its not just starfall
stuck quartz
Hitting many starfalls into big SS on a single target = funnel
lofty depot
and its capped and u hit hte cap regardless
stuck quartz
Yes Starfall and SS
craggy sonnet
it has a cap
lofty depot
also, outside of ur cds, keeper does negative damage
stuck quartz
I didn't realize that for funnel to be considered funnel it had to be uncapped
lofty depot
...
craggy sonnet
you dont get more dmg out of 4p on the prio mob with extra mobs
stuck quartz
...
covert coyote
...
craggy sonnet
funnel requires your prio dmg to increase with extra targets present
this is not the case
since the 4p surges are gonna hit the same
either way
crisp topaz
I didn't realize that for funnel to be considered funnel it had to be uncapped
You're not actually getting more damage to the prio target by adding more mobs, you hit the cap regardless of mob count
stuck quartz
You're not actually getting more damage to the prio target by adding more mobs, ...
ty
crisp topaz
Reading do be kinda hard sometimes 
fossil sedge
i would think boomy will shine on higher key levels like it always does
lofty depot
ud be a little wrong
fossil sedge
are we capped ?
ionic oak
no. we're wack
lofty depot
uhh thats not the reason classes are meta or not
digital berry
As long as our dmg is dogshit we might be mega
Spriests have been meta in seasons they did mediocre dmg
But also m+ meta is very far away from establishing
crisp topaz
Meta will also continue to shift somewhat until like .5 or .7 patch so no reason to worry
potent cargo
or S+ tier after the balance patch
because nothing u do until the last week or two matters anyway
digital berry
Either way it doesn’t truly matter, anyone who pushes title will most likely reroll to the class that is needed for pushing
Very little spec loyalty among that filth
crisp topaz
Very little spec loyalty among that filth
eager raft
@lofty depot @pallid bay @lucid olive
meager storm
lofty depot
<@121360917907767296> <@148552191874039808> <@147914503588282368>
didnt stream
eager raft
yes i did?
lofty depot
u didnt for 20 pulls?!?!1
eager raft
i just published the vod
lofty depot
WHERE WAS THE ANNOUNCEMENT
eager raft
in cyons
lofty depot
thats crazy
lofty depot
yea i didnt get noti'd and going over raid with people
eager raft
my bad king
crisp topaz
Nice attempts though
eager raft
hahaha perfectr number
true viper
frozen sedge
so is blance still dead?
jaunty blaze
Boomie is die
loud kettle
They're gonna accidentally forget the aura buff
true viper
imagine a world where the kyveza boss has leaderboards on warcraftlogs
covert coyote
going to be bottom dps in raid then get called sandbaggers when we ask for buffs
meanwhile frost dk isn't overtuned for a single season and get all the buffs they ask for
ocean condor
going to be bottom dps in raid then get called sandbaggers when we ask for buffs
ok so im all for dooming when we are actually bottom dps but this most recent round of buffs absolutely makes balance not the bottom
loud kettle
True, frost dk, a historically dominant spec
jaunty blaze
Hot takes in the morning
loud kettle
Hot takes in the morning
Takes and cakes sound too similar
jaunty blaze
Id like some cake
loud kettle
they are pancakes i fear
jaunty blaze
Thats alright
loud kettle
Breakfast is served
jaunty blaze
Yay
lofty depot
Hot takes in the morning
its not morning
jaunty blaze
In the canonical time of the earth (mine) it in fact is 7am
delicate perch
It’s literally 3pm
mighty mica
real
loud kettle
Debating if thats an insult given im a feral player
lofty depot
YES
drifting nova
drifting nova
stone ledge
how much of a loss are we looking at if we trees before our ca instead of doing it 2 gcd's in to ca, my brain is gonna hate that rewire
loud kettle
5%
lofty depot
how much of a loss are we looking at if we trees before our ca instead of doing ...
go on ptr
and REWIRE
quasi flame
rewiring will be done during plexus sentinel
Amen to thst
stone ledge
only thing i hate about ptr is i cant get my elvui to not machine gun no matter what i do sadge
stone ledge
go on ptr
do you have a details snip of what the damage profile should be looking like outside of the cds
stone ledge
like realistically how much should the dryad do during that opener window
as a sample
stone ledge
hmm
lofty depot
but shrug
ur druid will do like 3% over the fight
but the dryad isnt that big
the damage ur more concerned with is the dryad favor
critting those, very big
stone ledge
is dryads favor not tracked on details at least on ptr?
lofty depot
should be in ur surge
lofty depot
yessem
stone ledge
ah that makes alot more sense
back to reps
aight i see the crits now, 13 mil sheesh
did we drop the fury of elune on kotg thing that was going around on ptr at the start or is that back
quiet sluice
bitches love sosa
fuckin with them o boys u goin get fucked over
like when bosstop stole baby diapers from keef's house
lofty depot
did we drop the fury of elune on kotg thing that was going around on ptr at the ...
yea u dont need foe
was used to get to cap
cap ez
stone ledge
gyatt
merry ibex
I hate when we have to send trees now
It feels so unnatural
Can I just go play EC and sandbag
meager storm
sure
stone ledge
im slowly getting used to it
stone ledge
for a m+er yea
royal zenith
You still play ec in m+
wild dune
stone ledge
does the additional damage on the starsurges apply to casts AFTER the dryad fades or if theres a surge mid air already does that get the amp
merry ibex
I'll just swap to a haste fibre and be the only EC raider
stone ledge
r1 druid (ec logs only)
merry ibex
Smd blizzard
stone ledge
that 1 dude who got a top 10 oab parse using ec and 1m convoke
meager storm
does the additional damage on the starsurges apply to casts AFTER the dryad fade...
casts after its gone
stone ledge
bet
so if im timing this right/haste is correct that last surge should be going out with my ca eclipse being on 0
echo glen
is the ptr changes out yet for latest buffs?
stone ledge
on reset
vital hound
like realistically how much should the dryad do during that opener window
41m crit
i think
is the target
vital hound
so if im timing this right/haste is correct that last surge should be going out ...
calculation is at cast
afaik
stone ledge
41m is like dream all crit scenario tho right
stone ledge
oh lord we gotta hit the mushroom/smolder proc chance too for 6% more damage too
maybe stellar flare is back on the table
vital hound
i wish
stone ledge
i mean without the s2 tierset mushroom is back to random so thats another rng factor in our opener too right
keen pebble
ok so im all for dooming when we are actually bottom dps but this most recent ro...
buffs? what buffs kekw
mighty grotto
buffs? what buffs kekw
Its ghoulish
cold badge
so what we thinking KOTG back in action for raid?
lofty depot
Yes, read the pin
pulsar sundial
Any one knows if there are any tier sims spreadsheet going around ? Or if there’s any release for it soon?
royal zenith
it says "I'm dogshit" with kyveza pulls, instructions unclear
lofty depot
Any one knows if there are any tier sims spreadsheet going around ? Or if there’...
Gatekept til tuesday
lofty depot
it says "I'm dogshit" with kyveza pulls, instructions unclear
U are dogshit, true
royal zenith
I don't think there's any shame in that
indigo barn
Is the aotc/m+ rating reward catalyst charge, same as last tier? Or did they change something again
olive flint
Do we know what the gain/loss is of the new tier compared to old ? Are we having another situation of keeping old tier for a while ?
ocean condor
Do we know what the gain/loss is of the new tier compared to old ? Are we having...
no
before the buffs data was still saying equip 2 set
3.71% increase to go from old 4 set to 2p+2p
again this is before the buffs
olive flint
gotcha thanks
worthy olive
when i change my 4p to the new set? When i get 2p? or should i wait until 4p?
ocean condor
when i change my 4p to the new set? When i get 2p? or should i wait until 4p?
read the chats directly above what you just typed
jaunty blaze
Cant make that shit up
ocean condor
lmfao
jaunty blaze
wide dawn
Anyone have the sims for boomie compared to others i hear we are doing lower than brew monk
ocean condor
Anyone have the sims for boomie compared to others i hear we are doing lower tha...
not true, Brew is nerfed boomkin is buffed on tuesday
wide dawn
not true, Brew is nerfed boomkin is buffed on tuesday
Buffed on Tuesday are we getting a buff wow
ocean condor
but all of the sim data i have in not accounting for the changes coming tuesday
check the pins in this channel
wide dawn
That is not a buff that is pathetic support so you can do more than tank damage
ocean condor
That is not a buff that is pathetic support so you can do more than tank damage
if the numbers i have played with are correct then KOTG will sim around 5.8 mill dps. i know alot of people in this discord channel were playing with the APL and having it not cast correctly and still getting 5.6 mil out of it
chilly oriole
so now we cant play kotg in some bosses at least not chosen all the way right?
can*
chilly oriole
nice thx
mighty grotto
Icyveins posted tuning 5 mins ago it’s the exact same thing from last time. Or is it a new 8% buff?
vital hound
That's the 4pc not the dryad
meager storm
its prob the tuning they did some days ago
lucid olive
You gotta get those clicks
cloud plover
they post weird stuff a lot
"last chance to craft!" like you don't have weathered crests to make 675 gear at any point in time
stoic grotto
feral still looking more likely to be better on raid?
elder remnant
Wow I can’t believe boomie is dead this tier
mighty grotto
Max rep this week is rank 6 correct?
regal creek
nope
sudden flame
you can get way more than that through alts and contracts pretty sure
regal creek
rank 10
elder remnant
Feral supremacy
mighty grotto
im almost rank 8
How many alts u have
regal creek
How many alts u have
10
elder remnant
why bring it if you can bring feral
feral will be in rtwf
chilly oriole
in your dreams
sudden flame
True and real (false and lies)
vale pebble
feral will be in rtwf
chilly oriole
yep
vocal spruce
Do I have to do 5 mask on every single alt for the shop?
steep folio
Yup
vocal spruce
Shit game tbh lmao.
elder remnant
if you think you're clearing this raid on boomkin you've got another thing coming buddy
pseudo merlin
if you think you're clearing this raid on boomkin you've got another thing comin...
morning qt
how you doing today
regal creek
if you think you're clearing this raid on boomkin you've got another thing comin...
just watch me sned you screenshot on thursday with the raid cleared
twin lotus
boomkin is dead ye
🤔
sudden flame
Hey don't blame me that boomkin is the inferior spec
lucid olive
read pin, KoTG is 2.5% ahead of EC
its more like 3.3% now in sims after making some APL optimization
elder remnant
APLDN
pseudo merlin
I’m alright how r u
im good thx 
unkempt niche
hardy panther
Rnow the best build for mplus is KOTG ?
mighty mica
👍
lucid olive
can take the bottom one too
pseudo kernel
as a first time boomy, is it correct that right now (as a noob, with no tier set and planning on running low m+) keeper of the grove is what i should choose?
lucid olive
for raid yes
lucid olive
its generally better for m+ yes
if you're new to the game though i would just play the one that you vibe with the most
playing super optimal talents doesn't matter if you don't find the talents fun to play
pseudo kernel
for sure ill be shit no matter what thats part of the fun!
thank you for the suggestions
chrome sable
playing super optimal talents doesn't matter if you don't find the talents fun t...
What is this ‘fun’ you speak of?
pseudo kernel
the game assumes im such a big noob that it automatically added single rotation assist to my hotbar as number 1 btw.
lucid olive
Tettles timed a +17 motherlode doing that
golden geode
and then just roll my head over the keyboard?
just roll it on one key since u only need one bind now
pseudo kernel
thanks everyone, you are the worst
jk, thanks for the suggestions, ill get into playing around with it 🙂
ocean condor
its more like 3.3% now in sims after making some APL optimization
What have we had sims hit now so that I have correct info
lucid olive
5.660
pseudo merlin
thanks everyone, you are the worst
Fresh boomie, fresh in this class discord. It is by far the badest class discord of them all. It is really really bad. People are only sarcastic, making bad jokes. Not discussion regarding the class. All the time offtopic. Really bad
lucid olive
basically this
the sim is named elunes chosen cause that's the top profile in the code so disregard that
vital hound
the sim is named elunes chosen cause that's the top profile in the code so disre...
keep the haters guessing
swift crater
Fresh boomie, fresh in this class discord. It is by far the badest class discord...
To be honest I've had plenty of good class conversations here around various things, normally to do with gear or CD timers during prog etc.
So much content out there and ways to consume info playing a new class or as a new player, I dunno. Class discord are just not where I go so many clicks and approve this and accept this TOS, fuck that 😄
lucid olive
To be honest I've had plenty of good class conversations here around various thi...
ravec is memeing but thanks
swift crater
😢
lucid olive
good ravec bait tho
swift crater
got got gud
pseudo merlin
ravec is memeing but thanks
Nice, I levy a legitimate criticism and it gets handwaived by a green name as "memeing"
This discord is toxic
lofty depot
That's cuz he's part of the good conversations
pseudo merlin
Thyme too busy playing runescape to moderate ANYTHING in here
smh
Thyme to do your job buddy!
livid jay
except my boi paper
round field
ravec is memeing but thanks
He might be memeing but he isnt wrong
lucid olive
Nice, I levy a legitimate criticism and it gets handwaived by a green name as "m...
yes you calling yourself fresh in here is the meme
pseudo merlin
ah
livid jay
lucid olive
csh got perma banned 
livid jay
i dont even know sakura
pseudo merlin
No shot
lucid olive
thats what the streets be sayin
mighty mica
wrong
pseudo merlin
How could you do that Thyme
mighty mica
csh is not banned
pseudo merlin
Csh is your boy wtf
lucid olive
streets dont lie
mighty mica
lucid olive
trap us in cyoncord nsfw channel
pseudo merlin
Traps in cyoncord nsfw channel
delicate perch
vital hound
pseudo merlin
lucid olive
it'll be in there ye
cloud plover
awesome
lucid olive
lyric thicket
the 2 buff starsurge stack in the 2nd ÇA if we us it in ? With kotg tiers set
lyric thicket
Ty
lyric thicket
I see the video drop gamz
lofty depot
And then u have trees with 2 seconds left, CA, boat windows
lyric thicket
Then we wait both ÇA to came back ?
sonic crag
lofty depot
Then we wait both ÇA to came back ?
Depends on fight length
lyric thicket
Depends on fight length
Perfect thx a lot
lofty depot
Some cases u would use 1 Ca at 2m with convoke
Then double CA at 410 ish
If the fight only lasts 4m, u would send 2ca as normal, 1 at 2m and 1 at like 350
lofty depot
Damn he sniped tettles thumbnail
lyric thicket
Some cases u would use 1 Ca at 2m with convoke
The spider boss for exemple but i dunno the timer of p2
delicate perch
Damn he sniped tettles thumbnail
finally content I won't downvote
cloud plover
why is my chat full of moonfires
lofty depot
Gamz hates new moon, smh
lucid olive
oh well
lofty depot
SENDING IT TO GARY TO PROOF READ
normal pilot
i can't wait for it to not be 15% cuz they changed teh wrong spell
lofty depot
2% gas
lucid olive
Compendium is updated for 11.2
https://www.dreamgrove.gg/blog/balance/compendiu...
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glossy jungle
scarlet tapir
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oi
empty girder
Gamz dropped a video, we won today
jade jacinth
Silly question - Are the talents for ST and M+ the same? and does it matter which one i go for cos i like KEEPer for both m+ and ST 🙂
lofty depot
- No, because u'll use things like twin moons and kindling in m+
- Keeper is worse in m+ but if u enjoy it more, u can likely play it in w.e. random weekly key ur doing
lofty depot
Keeper
jade jacinth
wonderful just sorted my talents ready for wed now ❤️ 😄
lofty depot
Get hyped
soft ermine
Do we still have the Control of the Dream bug requiring the talent swap between pulls?
lucid olive
yes
soft ermine
Ty! Just saw the bugs section on Dreamgrove. Thanks for your hard work on it!
lofty depot
Yea download the dreamgrove themed control weakaura
wary ruin
hey one question, with this new changes at boomie, we still go on both talents (keeper and chosen) mastery haste or it changed?
lofty depot
It's changed, EC is the same with haste and mastery being relative equal.
Keeper is mastery with Crit/verse
But stats in general, u sim
lucid olive
si
lofty depot
Si
wary ruin
so, thx to the keeper tier, we needed to change the stats for more burst?
craggy sonnet
why didnt you tell me that you pushed updates to the apl
sitting there working on old shit
lofty depot
so, thx to the keeper tier, we needed to change the stats for more burst?
Ye
Likely to do with no haste scaling and ur not gaining anything from more globals in CA cuz it's capped
lucid olive
why didnt you tell me that you pushed updates to the apl
sorry i'm gonna make sure to message everybody next time
craggy sonnet
ty ❤️
lucid olive
it was basically just the boat>7 line and this above treants actions.kotg_st+=/starsurge,if=buff.dryad.remains>8&buff.dryad.up
lofty depot
why didnt you tell me that you pushed updates to the apl
Imagine not having notis on
lucid olive
and then removed the "starsurge before convoke" one
wary ruin
so, on bosses with cleave or aoe, we still go with keeper like last season ?
craggy sonnet
yea i'm already trying to cross reference and update stuff
wary ruin
so with no haste it will be a pain? XD
lucid olive
yea i'm already trying to cross reference and update stuff
if you make any improvements just make a PR
lofty depot
U cast wrath, it's fine
U have 5k haste or w.e.
U'll likely also have more haste than u think til u kill all the bosses
craggy sonnet
the ss line thats making sure to dump surges early into CA is actually doing work
lofty depot
A lot of our gear comes from raid :/
lucid olive
was also supposed to change the keeper CA condition to astral_power.deficit<action.starsurge.cost*2 instead of <=50
but didnt really make a big difference so i don't think i pushed it
craggy sonnet
yea, makes sense. if you restrict it too much its might delay stuff more and then it gets wonky with diff fight lengths
lucid olive
that part should probably be optimized for playing without natures balance
normal pilot
hm could prolly get a bot or something that notifies druid-related simc changes. idk somethign to do for 12.0
lucid olive
cause if you take twin moons currently the sim wraths like 4 times before using CDs
craggy sonnet
btw .. if you keep that initial pre convoke surge line in .. thats hit only 0.24 times. considered not worth keeping in at that point?
lucid olive
hm could prolly get a bot or something that notifies druid-related simc changes....
have it track the spec.txt and spec_ptr.txt files on dg git
lucid olive
btw .. if you keep that initial pre convoke surge line in .. thats hit only 0.24...
i don't see a point in having it there
you convoke right after treants anyway
you could get an unlucky iteration and have it surge between treants and convoke
and that could make convoke consume the 4pc
normal pilot
ya we'll see what we can do, even if it ends up being separate server or a twitter bot or w/e
craggy sonnet
i don't see a point in having it there
yea, its not executed a lot. thats why im wondering if its even worth it
(like obv you thought its not)
lucid olive
biggest issue is really just making the 4pc consuming consistent
suddenly you run a quick sim and the sample sequence doesnt have AP to spend it in CA and has to cycle Eclipse first
other times its fine
lofty depot
ya we'll see what we can do, even if it ends up being separate server or a twitt...
Cshpendium Twitter account, pog
lucid olive
the sim number doesn't change a lot but the sample sequence is just 1 iteration of a bunch
craggy sonnet
the sim number doesn't change a lot but the sample sequence is just 1 iteration ...
yea thats awkward
how do you get there tho?
just not enough ap going into ca?
or what goes wrong in that sample
i dont think i've seen that happen yet
flint rose
For multi-target in raid, do we focus on the M+ talents? Since quite a few bosses won’t necessarily be single-target.
craggy sonnet
the only interesting one might be the council i reckon
sporadic cleave stuff prolly not gonna make you go ec
lucid olive
i dont think i've seen that happen yet
should maybe delay the starfire and sac the eclipse uptime
craggy sonnet
the starfire line shouldnt fire if dryads favor is up
right?
actions.kotg_st+=/starfire,if=!variable.enter_lunar&eclipse.in_eclipse&variable.eclipse_remains<cast_time&!buff.dryads_favor.up&!variable.kotg_ca_condition
lucid olive
idk its not my sim
and people keep insisting on sending screenshots of sims instead of the actual sims @meager storm
lofty depot
For multi-target in raid, do we focus on the M+ talents? Since quite a few bosse...
Depends what the hp on the mobs are
lucid olive
theres also 2 starfire lines right
but yeah i guess it just didn't have enough AP to Starsurge before starting the Eclipse cycle
and then spent it after with the AP it generated from the Starfire casts
craggy sonnet
theres also 2 starfire lines right
yea. just meant that its not about delaying the starfire. it really didnt have the ap for some reason. so maybe you'd have to pool more / start earlier to pool for consistency
craggy sonnet
like right now it only starts pooling when everything is ready to fire and it doesnt meet the ap req for ca
barren carbon
Echo's AI maxroll guides say to take foe for kotg ST. That'll be an interesting sim for me for sure
craggy sonnet
but you could start pooling a few gcds prior
lucid olive
Echo's AI maxroll guides say to take foe for kotg ST. That'll be an interesting ...
FoE isn't bad
It was better for keeper during PTR when the cap was 25x
barren carbon
It was better for keeper during PTR when the cap was 25x
Yeah I remember it being decent back then. I wonder how worth it is now. Shall sim and test
lucid olive
which is probably when the data for the guide is from
funny Canexx still writes Maxroll guide even after leaving Echo
lucid olive
ye
royal zenith
which is odd if true, and why is it not linked to the org echo
but w.e.
good for the income
flint rose
Guide on maxroll is shit ?
lucid olive
it's okay for what it's supposed to be
can't speak on the quality of other specs guides since i don't know them
lofty depot
Guide on maxroll is shit ?
Dreamgrove > all others
covert coyote
dream grove best grove
quiet drift
disabling nameplate lowk the move
lofty depot
Yee, then u get big ass yellow dot ticks
lucid olive
i disabled nameplate and then moved the party frame to narnia
royal zenith
Not having damage numbers disabled
too real
people that have damage numbers enabled are fiends
lofty depot
I be fiending
barren cove
pale compass
hello, are changes up in PTR?
lofty depot
No
lucid olive
no
carmine nymph
What talent tree for m+ before getting tier set?
lucid olive
same one you already use
carmine nymph
I see
dreamy cove
think you should remove cloak from list of potential craft slots
lofty depot
If u tried to sim putting cloak on it would be less :/, but true
lucid olive
ye i did
lofty depot
Type shit
dreamy cove
does anyone know about how big a heroic forge vs signet with new 4p difference is
lofty depot
Like 3%
dreamy cove
thanks
digital berry
anybody ahs the kyveza weak aura
flint rose
So we don’t use FoE in single-target builds?
lofty depot
anybody ahs the kyveza weak aura
It's on sunes wago
lofty depot
So we don’t use FoE in single-target builds?
No
digital berry
arctic cook me up a talent build
lofty depot
I posted it before uhhh
digital berry
ill find it
lofty depot
pale compass
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1403818775458873537/im...
thats raid s2 build?
lofty depot
Kyveza
pale compass
ty
digital berry
oh man i didnt realize it was locked behing t10 delves
lofty depot
Slam.guardian and run around
lucid olive
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1403818775458873537/im...
nice healing talent
lofty depot
worst part about kyveza ??
The lines spawn in on u
lofty depot
nice healing talent
Which one 🙂
leaden birch
those lines are so fkin bullshit
lofty depot
200+ btw
leaden birch
I read just moving your camera isn't enough? you have to update your character location or smth?
lucid olive
its capped to 18 seconds 
leaden birch
the amount of times I died while looking straight at the clone is too damn high
lofty depot
its capped to 18 seconds <:ICANT:1161814021478031401>
Clearly didn't matter
sudden flame
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/1403818775458873537/im...
forgot 3% avoidance talent smh
lucid olive
that one bad too
extra point in killer instinct
and can remove matted fur for thrash maybe since you spend a dogshit amount of time in bear
need a button to press
sudden flame
jaunty blaze
Who is he
normal comet
should I start playing keeper of the grove instead of EC?
lofty depot
In raid, yes
normal comet
okay M+ is still ec
lofty depot
Yes
normal comet
another question, I just came back for this season and started playing druid. My single target dps is pretty low, this is the case for the spec right?
I am following the single target rotation on the pinned website as well
lofty depot
Might be a skill issue, might me a ur ilvl low issue. Idk unless u post a log
lucid olive
read dreamgrove compendium guide
normal comet
Yeah I was about to say my ilvl is not super high and im still trying to figure out the rotation
thanks man appreciate it
lucid olive
pins
lofty depot
Cast Starfire
Cast surge
Press foe...
And st is surge always
lucid olive
and channel description
lofty depot
Yeah I was about to say my ilvl is not super high and im still trying to figure ...
U can sim ur character on dummy and see what it would be if ur close
(all of that info is in compendium)
normal comet
Yeah I was following WoWhead rotation for a while until I realized you guys had a website so I'm trying to rewire my rotation
lofty depot
The wowhead guide is correct there's more "rules" in the compendium rotation
normal comet
yeah i just simmed tingle target dummy and im pretty close to it when doing it in game
lofty depot
Expz
digital berry
how am i suppsoed to see the damn massacres
lofty depot
With ur eyes unc
misty glade
Sorry if mentioned already but I think the tier set tooltip for EC in the compendium shows outdated numbers?
lofty depot
Tooltips are from wowhead, which aren't likely updated to the "new" updates til patch gets pushed
lofty depot
When I hovered over it the keeper one wasn't right
misty glade
Maybe it's because I'm on mobile? Oh well.
digital berry
erm i have a feeling i would never be able to kill ??
lofty depot
Maybe it's because I'm on mobile? Oh well.
I'm on mobile
misty glade
I blame aliens then.
lofty depot
erm i have a feeling i would never be able to kill ??
Lacking skrill
Ur gonna let tettles and gamz dawg u like that
digital berry
im just blind i legit don't see them
lofty depot
They spawn from portals
lofty depot
Don't die and u won't have to reset 🙂
digital berry
this is just a waste of gold im too broke to afford so many temp pots
digital berry
brann dying 20 seconds into the fight is fun
sudden flame
lofty depot
Press renewal
pastel surge
Does anyone know what the fastest delve is today? 😄
stuck meadow
lofty depot
Usually undermine or fungal
pastel surge
Thank you. 😄
lofty depot
Sometimes the aj one
scarlet tapir
This discord at the time of Legion, BFA was much better, people would ask questions about rotation, class, if they helped etc... but I didn't come here for years, and it clearly changed to an ego fight, one wanting to be better than the other, wanting to have more IO than the other, wanting to have more logs than the other... and always the same people here, the same nicknames... and the only ones who are good are Dsune and Dak, notice if they have the same attitudes as you, no different... they just play and make history, while you talk, talk, talk, fight etc... and keep wanting to be better than someone hahaha.
@delicate perch rate
lofty depot
That's crazy
digital berry
nah bro shit hits like a truck i am literally dying to autos
cloud citrus
use the energy shield option on ur belt
eat a pot for his lines then eat 2 pots for his pull in
lofty depot
That too
cloud citrus
youll never die
scarlet tapir
nah bro shit hits like a truck i am literally dying to autos
u never played zekvir?
he also autod you
digital berry
u never played zekvir?
nope
cloud citrus
was it?
sudden flame
it was waaaay harder 3 days ago
lofty depot
Zorthas was saying something about bran not healing correctly or something
cloud citrus
like i was actualy almost killing it first day and now i just dedge cause every single phantom just overlaps and i cant see it
cloud citrus
o
lofty depot
We're changing gammas for the unc's I cant
digital berry
idk my brann aint healing for shit and i gotta work so
royal zenith
how old are you arctic
lucid olive
old enough to have a gambling debt
cloud citrus
omfg
royal zenith
he sounds and talks like some 27 y o trying to stay relevant
cloud citrus
ive been using colourblind mode to do what gamme has been doing
stupid options
wondered why peoples looked so bright
royal zenith
but he also knows Love Sosa.. so maybe he older
lofty depot
how old are you arctic
33
lofty depot
I don't have bad eyes like them
jaunty blaze
Damn he got unc'd
lofty depot
and you calling them uncs?!
Imagine getting bodied by someone 6+ year older than u
I'd be in shambles
upper anvil
are we crafting a 2 hander assuming we cant get a myth track from raid
or am i crafting bracers week 1
royal zenith
I'd be in shambles
that is true
lofty depot
or am i crafting bracers week 1
I haven't decided what I'm gonna tell people
jaunty blaze
Sending bracers week1 sounds grief ngl
lofty depot
Need more advice I'm pretty sure 2h craft is banned
craggy sonnet
why?
surreal sorrel
Sending bracers week1 sounds grief ngl
waiting and crafting 2h is also grief lol
lofty depot
Cuz dawn thread is better, plexus 1h no one wnats
surreal sorrel
if you are not raiding mythic obv
jaunty blaze
Huh
lofty depot
I have Sims of OH no embell better than 2h craft and using 681 bracer
jaunty blaze
Why would that be grief then
lofty depot
Plexus 1h being good and no one wanting it seems badass, surely it drops week 1
Liquid gonna bring a boomkin to plexus mythic
surreal sorrel
sure you need less crests, but overall 2h craft is banned like arctic said
jaunty blaze
idk worked for last 2 seasons why wouldnt it now
surreal sorrel
if you playing only m+ then do whatever you like
lofty depot
idk worked for last 2 seasons why wouldnt it now
Because asc is worse than dawn
surreal sorrel
because BiS Weapon drops early on
jaunty blaze
Its not like you are top prio on loot
surreal sorrel
and asc is worse ye
surreal sorrel
yeah my bad 2nd
lofty depot
And let's be real, u ain't giving. First fractilly weapon to boomkin
jaunty blaze
The weapon has to drop first
And you have to get it too
Idk
Can make a lot of cases
lofty depot
The weapon has to drop first
Yea I need to run more hero weapon sims
To see if it's better :/
boreal brook
There's only like 4 slots you can craft into anyways, you can't mess up that badly unless you're done raiding in the first month
lofty depot
I think it's marginally better that staff
jaunty blaze
I mean if you want to run crafted off hand and hero weapon instead go ahead
jaunty blaze
Exactly
No im not im just saying it depends on what cards you get dealed
As it always does
boreal brook
I'm crafting engi helm with mono mastery first, you can't stop me
lofty depot
That 1h mace at 723 and oh 704 also simmed better than crafted 2h
Like getting an oh from m+ and kept at 704
So shrug, will do more. I think it's just sus
surreal sorrel
I'm crafting engi helm with mono mastery first, you can't stop me
pleaso do that, after send a screen here and ping arctic with "bloodmallet said so" 😂
lofty depot
wait til they find out about liquidarmory
kindred orchid
How bad off are we for M+ coming into next week?
lofty depot
Not really bad
normal pilot
is that special chan still there
lofty depot
Middle of useful
surreal sorrel
How bad off are we for M+ coming into next week?
not bad tbf
boreal brook
*wait til they find out about liquidarmory*
idk, BM and LA seem pretty same same to me
When the explain how they source their data and why it is better, I probably still won't use either
lofty depot
They're both likely still using ec
kindred orchid
I saw that prior to buffs we were planning on using EC for ST and AoE, with the changes is that still the case pre-tier?
lofty depot
No
It wasn't the case pretier either
U played keeper st until u got tier
U play keeper in raid now (probably all fights)
boreal brook
EC st damage is much closer to KotG than last tier though iirc
Good news for m+ bosses anyways
leaden birch
Whats crazy is it was harder 2 days ago
?? got nerfed?
lofty depot
Brann apparently wasn't healing as much
lofty depot
Good news for m+ bosses anyways
Yea we hate m+ers
Also, few different talents so idk how close it actually is
kindred orchid
So playstyle stays the same with both M+ and Raid… with middle of the pack damage overall. Not the best but not the worst it sounds
surreal sorrel
basically yes
lofty depot
Raid is a little diff
dreamy cove
is there a trinket sim with kotg like the one in guide with ec
kindred orchid
Is it updated in dream grove?
lofty depot
Did u check
kindred orchid
I keep looking doesn’t seem different
lofty depot
Ud be wrong
lofty depot
is there a trinket sim with kotg like the one in guide with ec
There is a lot of trinkets in there
Idk if there's a sim
dreamy cove
has an update date on top right
there is a sim linked with bunch of trinkets, but all ec I think
lofty depot
Everyone's bis is Araz and antenna
leaden birch
bis list?!
lofty depot
Maybe Gamz fix it later
lofty depot
Maybe those week 1 bracers arent so bad afterall
Hmm
upper anvil
Hmm
jaunty blaze
Hmm
surreal sorrel
with a possible socket (if there is no tier piece in it) from the first vault they should be a huge upgrade