balance

[inland arrow]

god pull at the end

[tender elbow]

tyty

[pallid bay]

use trinket 1 if

Trinket1 isnt 
  spymasters_web imperfect_ascendancy_serum treacherous_transmitter soulletting_ruby
And
  If
    Trinket1 isnt on-use and we dont have 2 on-use trinkets and trinket2 cd is more than 20s OR fight remains is less than 20+20*(trinket is on-use and trinket2 cd is less than 25
    this will equal 1 if both are true else 0)
  Or
    generic trinket condition is true

actions+=/use_item,slot=trinket1,if=!trinket.1.is.spymasters_web&!trinket.1.is.imperfect_ascendancy_serum&!trinket.1.is.treacherous_transmitter&!trinket.1.is.soulletting_ruby&(variable.on_use_trinket!=1&variable.on_use_trinket!=3&trinket.2.cooldown.remains>20|fight_remains<(20+20*(trinket.2.has_use&trinket.2.cooldown.remains<25))|variable.generic_trinket_condition)

[lucid olive]

Generic trinket condition is pre_cd variable

smile

[pallid bay]

the other one dosnt make sense i think

[craggy sonnet]

hahahaha

[pallid bay]

Use trinket2 if

Trinket2 isnt 
  spymasters_web imperfect_ascendancy_serum treacherous_transmitter soulletting_ruby
And
  we dont have an on-use in trinket2?

actions+=/use_item,slot=trinket2,if=(variable.on_use_trinket<2&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>20|variable.on_use_trinket=3&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>20&(!hero_tree.keeper_of_the_grove|buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up|ceil((fight_remains-15)%trinket.2.cooldown.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-cooldown.force_of_nature.remains-15)%trinket.2.cooldown.duration))|fight_remains<(20+20*(trinket.1.has_use&trinket.1.cooldown.remains<25))|variable.generic_trinket_condition)```

[craggy sonnet]

for the trinket1 condition ..

    Trinket1 isnt on-use```

how does that work

[pallid bay]

these are the variables for on_use

actions.precombat+=/variable,name=on_use_trinket,value=0
actions.precombat+=/variable,name=on_use_trinket,op=add,value=trinket.1.has_use_buff
actions.precombat+=/variable,name=on_use_trinket,op=add,value=(trinket.2.has_use_buff)*2

basically

[craggy sonnet]

yea

[pallid bay]

first we set it to 0
then if trinket1 has a use_buff we add 1
if trinket 2 has a use buff we add 1*2 = 2

so:
trinket1 on-use trinket2 no use = 1
trinket1 on-use trinket2 on-use = 3
trinket1 no use trinket2 on-use = 2

actually we're only checking for has_use_buff

so we could have double on-use

[craggy sonnet]

variable.on_use_trinket!=1&variable.on_use_trinket!=3&trinket.2.cooldown.remains>20

this reads as use trinket1 if it is not an on-use

[pallid bay]

but 1 only does damage

[loud kettle]

has_use_damage is the counterpart

[craggy sonnet]

oh, thats for the dmg thing?

[pallid bay]

yea

[craggy sonnet]

ahhh

[pallid bay]

so we're checking if trinket is relevant for cds or not

otherwise we just use it

[craggy sonnet]

btw .. cant get anything similar to trinket.1.duration to work

[pallid bay]

idk if thats valid syntax

[craggy sonnet]

and cant find it in the wiki either

[pallid bay]

i think i looked it up earlier

[loud kettle]

what are you wanting

[craggy sonnet]

i want to know the buff duration of a trinket

because currently its generically sending 20s before end of fight

[pallid bay]

duration of the buff from a trinket

[craggy sonnet]

which messes with other end of fight stuff

[pallid bay]

i dont think thats available outside of specifying the buff

[loud kettle]

trinket.x.proc.any_dps.duration

[pallid bay]

sus

[craggy sonnet]

that works even if on-use?

[loud kettle]

should yea

I use it so surely I did my research

[craggy sonnet]

surely

[craggy sonnet]

but this is just some miracle text, yea?

whatever

fuck double on-use

[pallid bay]

some miracle text

[craggy sonnet]

the meaning has been lost over the ages

(didnt you guys cook this rather recently?)

[pallid bay]

nah this is some jundarer stuff

[loud kettle]

eyes glaze over and you are forced to accept the truth:
The writer of this line must have received a vision from the heavens themselves

[pallid bay]

he does magic but can be hard to follow

[stone ocean]

Grove update tomorrow ?

[obsidian tapir]

only for paid customers

[stone ocean]

I can offer a selection of cloth from previous expansions

[lofty depot]

thats a good idea, the tcers can gatekeep it like the funny sim spreadsheet

thats big dollars

[craggy sonnet]

i'll accept that gift

[lofty depot]

or like azor

holy

this is big

[frigid stratus]

I have officers in guild asking for BIS trinkets, ive looked around and it seems like, Astral Antenna and Arazs Ritual Forge is ahead for raiding, is this correct?

[lofty depot]

yessem

its bis for like every class

tell them to have fun with the dice roll

[loud kettle]

I'm sure your officers are tired of that response

[pallid bay]

i give up on explaining the trinket2 stuff

[craggy sonnet]

works!

[loud kettle]

Go me

[craggy sonnet]

grrr .. does forge require some extra attention?

[stone ocean]

Sim your self

[pallid bay]

its basically checking if we can use the trinket and have it back for treants before fight ends otherwise we need to hold

[craggy sonnet]

because decaying

[frigid stratus]

Well its their fault for asking, WCYD - Ty anyway

[pallid bay]

most likely

[craggy sonnet]

but its end of fight only .. like cant be that big, no?

getting only 15s duration out of it instead of 30 sounds ass

[pallid bay]

well we burst quite a lot

so if u have cds

[craggy sonnet]

dont do this to me

[pallid bay]

its prob more value regardless

just do some
vary_combat_length=0
fixed_time=x
and try to reproduce your scenario

then test some stuff

[loud kettle]

do you have a way to track the progress towards cdr on control, does that even make sense as a question

Like if casting now will trigger 5s cdr etc

[pallid bay]

im not sure what you mean

[loud kettle]

So on pull, fon would be 30s cd right, so 15s reduction

[pallid bay]

[craggy sonnet]

yea, already did for the 1:30 .. like it makes sense for anything that doesnt decay

[loud kettle]

Is there a way to fetch the 15s reduction prior to casting fon

In apl

[pallid bay]

talent.control_of_the_dream*15

[craggy sonnet]

tbh, i was just hoping that force_of_nature.cooldown gives the cd if you would use now

[loud kettle]

ok, but what if you've only held fon for 10s

[craggy sonnet]

thats not helpful for that scenario

[pallid bay]

not sure if this is the case before its been used

[craggy sonnet]

me neither

[loud kettle]

I don't think so either

[craggy sonnet]

but i havent seen any workaround for it in the apl

so i just assumed

[pallid bay]

would be easy to check i guess

[craggy sonnet]

to not fall into that hole

[drifting nova]

wtf is initial spec

unspecced or

[craggy sonnet]

?

[drifting nova]

in the middle

[craggy sonnet]

maybe cant fetch the spec

idk what addon that is

[drifting nova]

it says initial

for all 3

selling boosts anyway

[craggy sonnet]

oh, then yea

lv 1

what addon is that tho?

[loud kettle]

Am I missing something

Mistweaver ?

Oh it just doesnt use icons ig

[craggy sonnet]

they have selected the role

but have no spec

[loud kettle]

All 3 of them dont show spec

[craggy sonnet]

cuz its a boost selling entry

[pallid bay]

always returns duration without control

[craggy sonnet]

gg

[pallid bay]

and remains returns actual remaining cd

[loud kettle]

Assumed as much

[craggy sonnet]

yea

[pallid bay]

do you care about that though

ig u do

[loud kettle]

Maybe if u ask gastank nicely he can add something for current control cdr

[craggy sonnet]

you do yea

you would wanna know if you can FoN and have it come back up at some certain time

[pallid bay]

could just set some silly variable to when it was last used

[snow elm]

For kotg after using 2x ca charges at start, do use the charges as they come back or wait for 2 charges to do double ca again? Assuming the fight is long enough to do it

[drifting nova]

I..lemme look idk

[loud kettle]

Wouldn't work necessarily

[drifting nova]

premade group filter? with spec mode on

I think

[boreal brook]

As far as I can tell from my sims, we never want to run 2pc, 2pc.

Is that correct?

Even two myth pieces of new tier was simming worse than just keeping current 4pc on

[loud kettle]

Like if its 45s cd you can use at 1 min and lose no time, but if it was a 30s cd then you lost 15s

Even if you go back the last 2 times you can still be gibbed the same way

[pallid bay]

you basically play around convoke and trinket so it looks something like
0:00 CA Convoke
0:10 CA

2:00 CA Convoke

4:00 CA Convoke
4:10 CA

[craggy sonnet]

oh ok

[pallid bay]

thanks i hate it

just delete the talent

[drifting nova]

am I dumb

where even is floodgate entrance

[craggy sonnet]

explain

[craggy sonnet]

ringing deeps

[scenic mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pydNgZk7Tosq7vFTpgfA81 this sim says otherwise

[drifting nova]

o thought it was undermine idk why

[loud kettle]

0:00 0:30 1:30 2:00 is valid
0:00 0:30 1:30 2:15?? Lost 15s

[pallid bay]

this seems fake

[loud kettle]

ok bad example make it 2:15 and 2:30

[scenic mist]

it's from @lofty depot

[pallid bay]

he actually did it correctly

[primal mirage]

Do u even get 2 charges of CA if u spend one at 2?

[craggy sonnet]

yea, ok .. but i thought it was just about knowing what the cd is gonna be if you were to use

[loud kettle]

It is

[craggy sonnet]

with the -10s cd talent in kotg

[loud kettle]

45s between uses could mean a 45s cd

It could also be a 30s cd

30s between use is always a 45s cd

But that wont work for 45

[boreal brook]

But you can only sit on it for a full minute, if you didn't previously bank time and make it 30s cd

[pallid bay]

looks somewhat like that

[loud kettle]

Exactly

[pallid bay]

can try it yourself https://www.dreamgrove.gg/planner

[lofty depot]

i do be doing things correctly sometimes

[primal mirage]

Ah that makes sense

[pallid bay]

ggwp

[lofty depot]

#learning

we outside with it

[craggy sonnet]

but if you knew last use and when it came up again, thats enough

no?

[loud kettle]

Do you have a way to know when it came up again?

[pallid bay]

remains

[loud kettle]

Remains = 0 if you held for 15s

[boreal brook]

You would have to always look at the two previous casts and have math to solve it

[pallid bay]

right but you would have to use the timestamps

[loud kettle]

like a variable that holds time when there is 1s left?

[pallid bay]

like its entirely possible right but it would be some weirdge implementation

[loud kettle]

And then adds 1

To make it when it came up

[pallid bay]

no you would know both when it was used, when it would be ready and then on the next use you would have to math based on that

[craggy sonnet]

just a variable that timestamps when cooldown.ready

which you can do immediately after using it

with cooldown.remains yea

[loud kettle]

That would spam update until you use

[loud kettle]

yea just need that information somehow, like via variable

[craggy sonnet]

store timestamps when last gcd was FoN

current & current + cooldown.remains

[loud kettle]

I see

[craggy sonnet]

something like that

[loud kettle]

That would work yea, trying to think of when it would print the timestamp

Like it prints 1 gcd after but gcd is variable, probably close enough

[craggy sonnet]

if you actually do that in the spell implementation

you could do it immediately with the execution of the action

right?

override the default cooldown.duration variable

[loud kettle]

Ya, thats essentially what I was saying initially, give something the apl can use

[pallid bay]

it would probably make more sense to ask gas to add it to the implementation somehow

[craggy sonnet]

yea

so btw .. forge hates that end of fight thing

[tame dome]

anyone know how long for different numbers of targets they need to survive for you to use starfall rather than starsurge? For example, 2 seconds left alive on 5 mobs, still starsurge? 4 targets? 3? etc

[drifting nova]

is m0 bugged

3dungs and nothing

[gilded arch]

better nothing than 3 belts

[drifting nova]

wrong

[boreal brook]

Starfall on 2 target if you get kindling value, 3 targets otherwise

And if they will live for 8s or longer you get full starfall value (if 3 targets will only live 4s, that's half value, and you just surge)

[drifting nova]

priory, ara and floodgate, 10bosses

[night owl]

complete 🙂

[tame dome]

thank you, perfect

[tame dome]

what is kindling value?

[obsidian jetty]

kindling is the talent that extends dot duration when starfalling

[tame dome]

ah nice tyt

[dense steeple]

I got 3 shoulders

And a neck and something else

[solemn idol]

eesh

[digital berry]

I got weap and boots both wearable

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-lose-my-shit-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-joker-i-can-feel-it-gif-4920524

[dense steeple]

Oh i got a ring too

I put on the neck only

[drifting nova]

fuck this, back to mop

a real game

[dense steeple]

LMAO

[drifting nova]

[royal zenith]

I think you should just quit wow

[drifting nova]

yeah you right, bad game

[royal zenith]

take the yapping in here with you..

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/palla-deserto-desert-hot-gif-6014273

you want this?

[royal zenith]

peace

[drifting nova]

wake me up when lfg actually gets expanded on

so I dont need to trudge through these cockwombles

[dense steeple]

I just build new pc. Sit steady at 100 fps no matter what so far 🙂

And i didnt even upgrade gpu

[maiden pasture]

mop so fun

mogushan vaults is pog

[drifting nova]

I havent done it yet

only joined a guild like 2days ago

[quiet drift]

WoW is totally CPU bound game

[dense steeple]

that is true, i think my game is max fps turned on

cause like i said it never moves

[slender dragon]

depending, you can add frame gen to wow and it's great

[dense steeple]

thats also out of the box no OC

[quiet drift]

Well this is more a frame gen thing

Than WoW

ofc frame generation is gpu bound

[dense steeple]

i might OC my shit today tbh

cause why not

like I dont have expo or pbo enabled or anything

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/deer-smile-happy-pleasant-ok-gif-7842402999527921837

[craggy sonnet]

you are not running your ram on the suggested specs?

cause thats what expo does

[dense steeple]

correct

[craggy sonnet]

why

[dense steeple]

because my focus was getting my computer up and running asap

and now its up and i just havent done it yet

[craggy sonnet]

this is part of confirming the part is working

ok

im guessing you have a 9800x3d?

[dense steeple]

ye

[craggy sonnet]

dont think you get much out of it via pbo etc

[dense steeple]

and corsair dominator ram

[craggy sonnet]

so you can ofc

but you dont have to bother

[dense steeple]

is the Ryzen Master actually useful

(ive never used AMD cpu before)

[quiet drift]

Pretty sure those operate fine on themselves

Been a while since Ive cared

so could be oudated information

[normal pilot]

you genreally don't need to overclock the cpu

and if you were you'd do it via bios, not ryzen master

if you bought 4 sticks of ram tho that might be a problem if you get unlucky

[dense steeple]

i did research first

4 sticks is fine with this particular mobo/ram set

[normal pilot]

it doesn't matter, it's cpu lottery

nobody can tell you if your cpu will handle 4 sticks at 6000mhz until you try

[dense steeple]

alright well lets turn on exp and find out then

[jade flume]

Man, watched some guides today for new raid

Nexus homie looks like a bangier boss

i hope its tuned well 🙏

[south sedge]

Hey guys, is balance after buffs competitive in m+ ? Or still below everyone ?

[wet thunder]

Anyone knows if recent class changes are already implemented on PTR ?

[normal pilot]

they dont' pre-implement hotfixes on the ptr

[lofty depot]

not below everyone no

(we werent below everyone before)

[south sedge]

I have a hunter and Druid, I usually do keys between 13 and 15, I don’t know which one to choose.

[lofty depot]

you will be able to keys in those levels as either

play what u want

[south sedge]

But can I compete with Dks, rogues and mages ?

[stuck quartz]

do we have any idea on where keeper and EC compare in M+ now?

[round field]

no?

if ur not dk rogue or mage you wont compete

doesnt matter if you pick dh or druid

[final patio]

Quick question since KotG and EC is so close in dps does that mean we only play KotG on pure single target and switch to EC on cleave and AOE?

[south sedge]

The option is hunter not dh

[round field]

ok replace dh with hunter

[south sedge]

Hummm that’s sad hahahaha

[lofty depot]

idk what were competing with. Once the meta is formed throughout hte patch into 0.5 u can do over 15s and can play any class

[south sedge]

I care about damage numbers

[lofty depot]

u can do high damage on boomkin or hunter if uplay with worse people

[south sedge]

I know that is ridiculously but I like the competition

[lofty depot]

and as stated, anyone can do 15s

[normal pilot]

nothing wrong with wanting higher numbers

just play mage or dk

[pallid bay]

what will u play

[jade flume]

Probably holy priest but we'll probably copy rwf homies and shiz

so if they dont have one its quick reroll

[royal zenith]

holy??

wtheckers

[south sedge]

Not anyone right, i think 15s is lower than 10% of player base lol

[royal zenith]

by the time you can/will be doing 15's

you're a few weeks in

[pallid bay]

basege

[royal zenith]

and you can reroll to a meta spec

[lofty depot]

i did it, so anyone

[south sedge]

Hahahahahaha

[rich jewel]

Do u have 2 aug 4 fdk rdy

[jade flume]

I think we can barely afford 2 fdk

had to have people actually boost dks or sth

since we had 0 alt dks i think

[lofty depot]

then again, im god gamer

some people did kyveza in double my pulls

[royal zenith]

actually in the same boat

it's weird how little dk players there are

cause it's a good class

hey cory

[pallid bay]

only 3 fdk..

[south sedge]

Is frost dk still meta or unholy is better after nerfs ?

[normal pilot]

the dk discord would know more about that

[south sedge]

Hahahahah

True

[dense steeple]

Pc panic

[royal zenith]

fdk

fwiw

[rich jewel]

gg so joever

[royal zenith]

supposedly really reallllyyy easy to play now

Dksune when?

[lofty depot]

midnight when we go to ulduar 👀

[royal zenith]

im not a lore person

is ulduar a big thing

[royal zenith]

lfg

[pallid bay]

we're going quel'thalas..

[normal pilot]

are they finally redoing all the tbc shit so we can fly over it

[lofty depot]

but also ulduar (unless thats last titan i cant rememer)

[craggy sonnet]

thats what they said

[lofty depot]

have u heard of the titans

[dense steeple]

I enabled expo and now I dont have any video output what so I do

[pallid bay]

try turning it off and on again..

[craggy sonnet]

^^^

[royal zenith]

I started playing late bfa 8.3

I only know them by name

and some weird questlines

[dense steeple]

Done that 4times

Wont boot

Like all lights on

Mouse keyboard, internals of pc

[lofty depot]

smh, argus

[dense steeple]

No video

[pallid bay]

plug in to your motherboard instead, spam F5/F8 during boot

[normal pilot]

you just might've gotten unlucky in cpu lottery

you can try manually clocking at something lower than 6k and see if that'll train + boot

[dense steeple]

Oh it just fuckin booted as I turned it off

Son of a bit h

[normal pilot]

oh

[pallid bay]

gg impatient..

[normal pilot]

how long did you wait

ya ddr5 training can sometimes take a while

[waxen fiber]

They’re about equal now

[dense steeple]

It sat almost 5 minutes

[normal pilot]

ya that's nothing

let it sit for 15 before you start getting worried

[dense steeple]

I've never seen anything take that long

Okay we boot fine now

Had ne SWEATING

[normal pilot]

it's just ddr5 it can take a while the firs ttimeyou change memory settings

[dense steeple]

Neat

With great power comes great wait times

Or whatever Spiderman said

6200

[normal pilot]

just run occt or something to check stability

or play games for a while then chekc event viewer for whea warnings

[ocean swallow]

are we bacdk on busness boys ? after the buffs ...

[scenic mist]

keeper is 5M6 ST, is that back ?

[royal zenith]

man

these questions gotta go!

a few more days

[jaunty blaze]

Bro thinks they will disappear

[royal zenith]

nah they won't

cause M+ exists

[jaunty blaze]

Minigamers...

[lofty depot]

yea but were not meta, so theyll go away

[royal zenith]

actually I don't mind it that much

do question the importance of said questions, cause if you play at a decent level you already know

[craggy sonnet]

@pallid bay could you give me a sanity check..
playing around with 1:30 trinket (i hope this doesnt affect the Potent Enchantments choice node).
I have tried two sequences

1. basically do the same as it does with 2min trinket, so send every 2nd convoke with double CA and waste trinket cd a bit
2. only do the double CA in the opener and then just make sure to have CA with trinket and convoke, send the remaining with FoN (so that it lasts for the empowered surges)

if approach 1) is better with fixed combat length at 5min and approach 2) better with default length variance, then I dont even have to try never double sending, right?

[craggy sonnet]

thats not intended?

did you apply the correct profile?

[dense steeple]

Idk man ill link the video to you i used. I followed it to the letter

[pliant swallow]

what ram do you have ?

[normal pilot]

i assume he bought 6200 ram

[pliant swallow]

cause 6200 is weird..

[dense steeple]

i think my ram is 6400

[normal pilot]

oh unlucky then

[dense steeple]

sec i cant remmeber

[pliant swallow]

xD

xmp profile is enabled cause its running at 6200

without xmp it would run like ass.

[dense steeple]

NO I LIED

caps lock

i got 6000

[pliant swallow]

why oc it then to 6200..

[normal pilot]

it's corsair

[dense steeple]

i hit enable bro i didnt touch anything else

[pallid bay]

well, if 1) is better with 5 min fight length then it should probably be adapted around fight length no? do u have any example sims

[normal pilot]

could've been just a fucked up expo encoding

[pliant swallow]

oh god.

xD

id personally turn it down to 6000...

[normal pilot]

oh you bought cl36

[ebon plover]

chat

we are so back

these buffs are huge

[normal pilot]

yeah you should definitely drop to 6000 and get that CL lower instead

[dense steeple]

how

[pliant swallow]

What mobo you got.

[normal pilot]

you'll need to look at some manual overlcocking guides

[dense steeple]

x870-a

[craggy sonnet]

sure, one sec

[true viper]

w theorycrafting today guys

[pliant swallow]

so rog

[dense steeple]

yeah sorry

[pliant swallow]

xD

[dense steeple]

i figured no one else had that naming convention

[pliant swallow]

i dont think they do ?

[craggy sonnet]

5min fixed:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/je1i4tUJq1rnRrzGyoixzU

variance:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ioL1hLqLng6DzTU6haZzsf

[craggy sonnet]

and yes .. the conclusion would be that whenever you are not losing anything meaningful, you should try to double CA

[royal zenith]

I dont like these sims

they are not 5.6mil

😠

[craggy sonnet]

thats why i think i dont have to try the never double CA thing for 1:30

[lofty depot]

wait til he tries badge and we use 1m convoke

[craggy sonnet]

ye, idk .. seems like forge is absolutely massive compared to lily

FFFFFF badge

no

shot

i wont

[lofty depot]

think its too ilvl

[craggy sonnet]

but yea, i have also not tried talent impact

[normal pilot]

badge is too underbudget

[craggy sonnet]

like idk if you would expect the potent enchantment choice node to change

[pliant swallow]

Enjoy an indian youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7pxgdqavR0

[normal pilot]

maybe if you had a dryad every 1m

[pliant swallow]

[dense steeple]

I might qctually be good hold tight

[craggy sonnet]

this very important

[pallid bay]

oh yeah i see what you were saying now, seems logical yeah, ill check sims in a bit

[craggy sonnet]

unless you wanna overclock your infinity fabric

[dense steeple]

Would dropping it to 5800 for safety be okay or make it unstable

[craggy sonnet]

you want 6000

[normal pilot]

6k is fine if you're booting at 6200 with 4x sticks

[craggy sonnet]

that matches it to the infinity fabric

[ebon plover]

is keeper actually good for m+ now?

[normal pilot]

prolly not nobody's done m+ to know for sure check back in a patch

[ebon plover]

hrmm...

[craggy sonnet]

if you go just 200mhz higher, you would usually want to also overclock infinity fabric to match .. its only beneficial to just go up in ram freq if you can get significantly higher .. like these 7.2ghz kits

[ebon plover]

these the new raid mechanics?

[royal zenith]

nah. you craft infinity fabric with 200mhz with a work order

[errant canyon]

are we saved with the new buffs or still doo doo in m+?

[royal zenith]

who knows

according to Yoda's latest tierlist it was A+

do with that info what you like

[craggy sonnet]

i'll also send you the other changes i did previously more isolated. but especially the trinket thing might be a bit hacky here n there. just wanted it to work with this talent setup for now.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jDZTRhEhMvgDpx3eZBBghU

[craggy sonnet]

what deux said

cloak progression type shit

[lofty depot]

find out in 2-3months when meta is formed

"we" dont care about m+ here

[tranquil plank]

Grip + beam -> aoe interrupt still best way to deal with infinite casters. Going to depend what the meta routes are + .5 tuning.

[lofty depot]

tell that to dk, rogue, mage

[craggy sonnet]

and dont look at kiras tier list if you wanna stay happy with that previous info

[lofty depot]

and pala

[dense steeple]

i lied what i did didnt work

idk how to lower this shit

[craggy sonnet]

packaging says 6000 tho?

would be kinda weird if the on board xmp profile was different than advertised

[normal pilot]

i've had too many cases of corsair shitting their expo/xmp coding to trust them

[bold ingot]

Hey, can anyone tell me what are their average dps in single target on dummys please ?

[normal pilot]

you can sim your character with training dummy on raidbots and get a very very rough estimate

[royal zenith]

you can sim your dummy dps

most people sim around 3.4mil atm, with all buffs

[normal pilot]

you just need to make sure you're not in war mode or near a pvp dummy area in-game

[bold ingot]

Okay guys thanks

[bold ingot]

So 2 mil dps is bad then 🙁

[royal zenith]

yes

[scarlet tapir]

just download more ram

[royal zenith]

but

[bold ingot]

Sadge

[royal zenith]

only if you sim 2mil

[pliant swallow]

xD

[lofty depot]

thats season 1 damage

[royal zenith]

do a dummy target sim and compare it to your own damage

[normal pilot]

dummy dps is pointless anyways

go log a fight

[royal zenith]

yeah it is

[normal pilot]

you're wasting time on a dummy

[bold ingot]

Nice

[normal pilot]

log a real fight and post it and if ppl are aroudn they'll tell you where you're going wrong

[bold ingot]

Okay thx, will do

[lofty depot]

ooooo i forgot with the buffs, wrong opener is so back

LFG

[dense steeple]

Apparently the bios picked a 6200 profile default. I just found a 6k profile in a dropdown

[drifting nova]

its almost always higher than packing

[digital berry]

What?

[lofty depot]

my sweet summer child

i was a fiendddddddddddddddd

in df

oh thats not even that many

[royal zenith]

he means he gets to scout logs for wrong openers

cause it will actually matter again

[lofty depot]

back then our tier gave a free spender when entering eclipse, and on pull u would still wrath wrath and people wouldnt use surge/starfall before ca/inc

[craggy sonnet]

you will be so back

wrong opener all day long

[drifting nova]

help

send air support

[craggy sonnet]

also, has anyone seen logs from other specs .. is forge similarly crazy for them?

gotta look at double passive

but its like 150k diff

[dense steeple]

arctic

[lofty depot]

yes

[dense steeple]

whats the right opener now

[lofty depot]

well the big thing is gonna be people using trees 2 globals into ca

[craggy sonnet]

yes to both questions?

[lofty depot]

and then saving asp for the ca

i dont see 2 questions

[loud kettle]

idk what it is for you guys, but for feral it gaps the gain of other specs

i imagine similar situation

[lofty depot]

dks use it and they dont like 2m trinkets

[loud kettle]

like yea its really good for other specs, but not druid good

[lofty depot]

so ill just assume everyone use it

gotta be a trinket pass surely

buff soleash

[loud kettle]

this is my character

with new tier naturally

[craggy sonnet]

for what we have now its like 3% better than lily

[exotic perch]

araz is a crazy trinket man

[lofty depot]

i wonder if its not good for arcane

[loud kettle]

crazy as in it should go to crazymeow yea

[exotic perch]

truee

[cloud plover]

15/20 ppl in our raid want it

smile.

[scarlet tapir]

just loot it on first vault

[royal zenith]

which healer doesn't want it?

[scarlet tapir]

lmao

i got spymasters first vault and it lasted whole tier

just do the same for this one

[lofty depot]

yea arcane players might not want araz

hm

they might just prefer passives

[drifting nova]

any nerd speakers

[craggy sonnet]

i mean, i know thats is good for most. but just wondering if it is that much better than the 2nd option

[lofty depot]

second option being priory?

or lily

it might be druid good for rogue

[craggy sonnet]

lily

[dense steeple]

oh shit im an idiot

[craggy sonnet]

i havent actually tried priory

[dense steeple]

i was like man why is my frames only 100

(i had vsync on)

[craggy sonnet]

thats fine tbh

[dense steeple]

i have 350 fps

[craggy sonnet]

you dont need 350 fps tho

[dense steeple]

minimum now

[craggy sonnet]

and fps crashing

[orchid leaf]

That's a m+ community group.

[craggy sonnet]

is gonna feel much worse

than stable 100

[loud kettle]

number must go up

[dense steeple]

big number

[loud kettle]

wouldnt expect you to understand...

[dense steeple]

big feelz

i wonder if i max settings and turn vsync back on i will still stable 100

[royal zenith]

vsync

100 fps

[dense steeple]

idk man

[drifting nova]

itd help if it was in english smh

dont they know you can directly invite

..

[craggy sonnet]

also 350fps sounds like a lot, is that with upscaling?

[drifting nova]

wasted fps, the eye cant see above 26

[orchid leaf]

Well, it's supposed to be recognisable by people on their discord. So I guess it's serving its purpose well.

[dense steeple]

no that was at my pre upgrade settings

hearthing to dorn on ultra sec

[drifting nova]

it's [REDCATED] behaviour

[dense steeple]

||my hearth is set to org on this alt standby||

[drifting nova]

like making 3 left turns instead of a right

[dense steeple]

in dorn on ultra

[craggy sonnet]

they seem pretty equal

[lofty depot]

for us or

i havent simmed funny ivlls for trinkets

[craggy sonnet]

for us max ilvl stuff

[loud kettle]

What about normal araz VS myth lily?

[craggy sonnet]

what is normal ilvl?

[loud kettle]

704

[lofty depot]

shoudl test heroic araz vs myth lily too

[pallid bay]

lily is kinda just bound to suck

[loud kettle]

heroic will gap

[pallid bay]

when cap is based on sp

[craggy sonnet]

i dont have to

[lofty depot]

ye

[craggy sonnet]

normal is alr better

[lofty depot]

lol

[loud kettle]

ya i assumed normal was better

Its the same for cat

[dry compass]

11ms what a dream

[craggy sonnet]

its not even close

[dense steeple]

pick better servers idk

[lucid olive]

assume itll kinda be the same foiir intellect food too

[dry compass]

There are no servers in snow mexico 🥲

[craggy sonnet]

araz normal >1% better than signet or lily myth

[loud kettle]

Oh yea it probably is better for u because of that stupid cap

[dense steeple]

which server closest? are you on that one

[meager storm]

i heard they are making it 15x after rwf

[dry compass]

Chicago datacenters are closest I think

[loud kettle]

God that cap is so stupid

[meager storm]

[dry compass]

I'm generally on 60-70 ping

[vital hound]

personal food

[dry compass]

Which isn't terrible but definitely noticable

[vital hound]

[craggy sonnet]

surely we are the "best" spec for araz

[meager storm]

no

everything to locks

[dry compass]

No way

[dense steeple]

yeah 60-70 is noticable

[loud kettle]

yea i fear cat is nr.2

[vital hound]

3x locks

[dense steeple]

cant imagine. but yeah im also on chicago servers

2 states away

[dry compass]

Even if araz is biggest % upg for us, not being a locked in roster slot and being so far behind overall I doubt we end up as prio

[craggy sonnet]

not saying we are gonna get prio

just thats its the biggest upg compared to the next alternative for us

[normal pilot]

just dinar it ez

[craggy sonnet]

truu

[pallid bay]

i dont think we're that far behind top specs or?

[craggy sonnet]

in what?

[lucid olive]

2k dps behind is already doomed

[lucid olive]

in healing

[craggy sonnet]

..

araz value or overall sim dps or ingame

[pallid bay]

overall, whatever that means

[lucid olive]

last 2 bosses have dmg amp phases

the sim does 41m Starsurge crits

[pallid bay]

[normal pilot]

how long is the amp phase

[lofty depot]

time to go see arcane surge dam with amp

[pallid bay]

15s https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/spell=1245292/destabilized

[normal pilot]

hm unlucky it's that long

shorter it is the less other specs could compete with kotg

[cloud rain]

Is Boomy looking good this patch?

[pallid bay]

[lofty depot]

gonna have to prep ca into, double surge at the start of it

[frosty slate]

its looking v boomie

[lofty depot]

hm

[normal pilot]

if it's 15s idk if you'd prept that early

[pallid bay]

4th boss as well..

[drifting nova]

how is flames radiance still bugged 4years later wtf

[lofty depot]

save trees for 2nd ca

big

[vital hound]

couple a %

[pallid bay]

30s

[dense steeple]

this the guy who killed mumble

[obsidian jetty]

it can be shorter if you kill the dragon

but depends how much HP that mofo has on mythic

[craggy sonnet]

didnt that one stop when you hit a certain hp threshold?

[pallid bay]

[glossy jungle]

mumble is still alive and well in my guild discord quality is shit with 20+ players

[potent cargo]

just boost the server bro

[dense steeple]

^

[potent cargo]

I swear someones got the wrong codec

[glossy jungle]

Ahh yep. 10 boosts sounds good

[potent cargo]

true actually all the employed people dont raid in honestly anymore right

have to assume all the replacements are welfare recipients

cant afford no nitro

[dense steeple]

i pay 2 accounts of nitro each month

[glossy jungle]

we have a few more neets now. Guilds social value went down

[dense steeple]

mr moneybags

[potent cargo]

feet?

[glossy jungle]

brother autocorrect relax

[potent cargo]

auto correct follows patterns that's why bigger always autocorrects for me

[glossy jungle]

What to?

[dense steeple]

to tigger cause he likes winnie the pooh

[potent cargo]

yep

went to disney in japan i went on the pooh ride and it changed my life

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/b6HA2MAMzOh.gif

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-gif-8656453952160422277

boosts in oce bucks are expensive man

[vital hound]

im payin nz rupees

im getting fucked

[potent cargo]

i had to buy a wow sub last week

[glossy jungle]

Why pay for 10 boosts when you can pay for a mumble server at a fraction of the cost. Performs better, sounds better, normalises audio better

[potent cargo]

bc i didnt have any tokens

and its like fucking

$24?

I remember when it was $15

absolute joke

[glossy jungle]

Tarrifed buddy unlucky

[dense steeple]

its still 15

||in freedom land||

[obsidian jetty]

yea mumble is great for the auto equalize volume. I fucking hate having to change 10ppl's volume every raid day

discord randomly makes ppl loud one day, quiet the next

[lucid olive]

my sub is 11 euro

get fuckd

[vital hound]

[glossy jungle]

Yeah its bis

[vital hound]

thats part of prog

[lofty depot]

https://www.twitch.tv/rezzpectable
new champion has arrived to kyveza ??

[jade flume]

tuning in to hate watch

[velvet sky]

Is balance a good spec for heroic raiding?

[lofty depot]

u can clear the heroic raid with any class

[jade flume]

but should u

[velvet sky]

I could go in without armor too, but i think you know what I was asking. I'll be more specific though. Relative to other dps specs, where is balance likely to be this season in raid?

[obsidian jetty]

🔮

it says meta/10

[dense steeple]

for heroic? no one knows. because that is not a metric that involves dps numbers

heroic raiding is can your guys do mechanics

mythic raiding is can your guys do mechanics while also pushing crazy numbers

[jade flume]

Its most likely gonna be somewhere mid to low-mid like always

but we'll see once people start pampn when raid is out

it will not be the omega blaster spec though

[velvet sky]

Thank you for answering my question directly. Appreciate you.

[potent cargo]

for heroic it doesn't matter lolk

is still the point there

[dense steeple]

he didnt like that answer tho

[potent cargo]

if you enjoy boomy play boomy yk

[jade flume]

Ye but people dont wanna play something optimal only because they have to

some people just want to do big dam because its fun

it doesnt have to matter

[lofty depot]

I can play boomkin against heroic raiders and blast

Just play gooder and u'll do gooder

[potent cargo]

yer its polarising

my boomy was 640 ilvl

[crisp topaz]

For heroic raids odds are that you will do more damage if you're just better at pressing your buttons than your comrades, so anything will do well

[potent cargo]

out dpsing 670s

like do these ppl even have hands

[velvet sky]

Mechanics arent an issue. I'll manage those just fine on any spec. I just wanted to know how balance was in raid compared to other ranged based off the testing so far.

[dense steeple]

metrics are goofy at varying ilvls like that

[obsidian jetty]

the testing was basically useless this time around

[dense steeple]

no one will know how it performs for everyone at example 704 ilvl

[obsidian jetty]

because they did all the testing in 3 weeks, then balanced all the classes with no extra testing

[potent cargo]

last minute boomy buff we're blasting dw about it

sims are sandbagged

we're actually gonna top

[obsidian jetty]

so all we have to go off of is sims, which won't really replicate any raid boss unless you specifically craft all 8 bosses fight style and make apls around them (no one will do that)

[crisp topaz]

[obsidian jetty]

keeper rn is pretty burst heavy, which this raid favors burst, heroic also favors burst

so boomy should be decent

but it's just all a guess rn

[lofty depot]

Y'all still raid not on Tuesday right?

[obsidian jetty]

yea, M+ spamming on tues

atleast for me

[potent cargo]

thats the vibe bro

[obsidian jetty]

raiding on tuesday is just bait

1 tier we tried, raid was bugged, we wasted like an hour of raid, next tier server didn't up come til like 2hrs into raid time, after that we just said fuck raiding day 1

just move that to monday/sunday

[potent cargo]

ye

raid bugged, servers lagging like fucking mad

[calm ibex]

Tuesday raiding is always fucked

Since like wod

[potent cargo]

oce servers literally take a dump

[calm ibex]

Remember when my guild was one of the only guilds in back in hellfire citadel

Someone streaming had like 10k views when they only did like 10 normally

[pallid bay]

meanwhile EU is up 5AM

[lofty depot]

Gotta remember who to watch raid day

Forget who day raids

[craggy sonnet]

melee mechanics, right?

[lofty depot]

Yea I'm trying to push that, we raid pretty late tho so idk. Usually servers are decent by the time we raid

[lofty depot]

Yea, the boy adeptxo

But he might be mage prison again

[frigid rover]

What class you streaming kyvezza on tonight arc?

[meager storm]

If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a baseline mechanics check. If you cannot handle mechanics while maintaining a strong DPS or HPS rotation, you will only drag the group down on the harder fights ahead.

This is not optional. This is not "just a warm-up boss." This is the fight that tells us whether you can balance your gameplay fundamentals aka: awareness, movement, uptime, and performance but all at once. If you fail here, you will fail later.

If you can't be bothered to put in the hours to grind this fight, you are disrespecting the other players on this roster who are putting in the work. This is a preparatory fight for a multi-week raid, and it requires commitment. If you can't commit now, you won't commit later.

And before anyone even thinks about saying, "my class isn't designed for this encounter" fucking save it. I've seen hundreds of Chinese VODs of Kyveza beaten on every single spec and every single hero talent combination possible. The fight is beatable. The capability exists. The only difference between them and you is execution and effort.

So here's the bottom line: Beat Kyveza before raid night, or don't show up.

what is this pasta man

[lofty depot]

im watching rezzpectable

lock in

[vital hound]

i genuinely think half of em dont care

buddy of mine plays a diff toon in heroic raid every week

and just presses the icons he thinks look cool

bro doesnt even have meters, he couldn't give a fuck

[drifting nova]

did you not do np?

[delicate perch]

Yoink

[meager storm]

rwf comp leaked

dont tell anyone

[drifting nova]

wheres the warrior

[lofty depot]

prot dummy

[drifting nova]

no the real warrior

[drifting nova]

tanks dont count

[lofty depot]

neither do fury/arms

[craggy sonnet]

too bad prot is the best warr

[drifting nova]

me when I cant get into any m0s

[vital hound]

isnt fury blasting

[loud kettle]

yea

[drifting nova]

arms is

[lofty depot]

like i said

not real

[vital hound]

nrpi

[celest narwhal]

r we gonna be able to buy Terh stats

from the vault tokens

or am i insane

[vital hound]

[iron chasm]

Perhaps you are Gramt

[celest narwhal]

welll im glad im crazy then

swore i read an article about it

may be confusing it with the one letting the omni tokens from the last boss give u a chance at them

[lofty depot]

think the tokens from demenisus

[craggy sonnet]

yea

you do not buy the item itself anymore but the tier token

so that it may roll terts

[pseudo grove]

Blb

[calm ibex]

Does anyone have the doc that shows how strong every tier set is

[meager storm]

outdated

doesnt have kotg with real numbers

[calm ibex]

😭

I’m dev next tier sadly anyways

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/skip-cat-gif-676757377990180948

[calm ibex]

Feral is better so I’m stuck dev

[lofty depot]

it does

[calm ibex]

One day I will return

[timber pine]

Any recommendations for specs for Ky'veza?

[meager storm]

feral is not better what

[lofty depot]

shh

[meager storm]

they sim like 20k more

[lofty depot]

let them

LET THEM

[meager storm]

[calm ibex]

Link me shit

[lofty depot]

keeper

[calm ibex]

Please

[lofty depot]

i will not leak

[potent cargo]

final fantasy behaviour right there

[hollow mist]

[true viper]

gg

[hollow mist]

gg

[potent cargo]

how many attempts did thingy take

[meager storm]

big

[lofty depot]

WHERES THE STREAM

WTF

[true viper]

Oopsies

[lofty depot]

killing kyveza without stream adds 50 pulls

also was harder before

look at this guy with this line

[meager storm]

right

[hollow mist]

rezz

[meager storm]

gamz cope

people saw my 17 pulls and started to do sub 50 what can i say

man of the people

[lofty timber]

Is keepers still for raiding this season?

[meager storm]

yes

[vital hound]

its kinda based

like i wish i had that mental

cause bro clears heroic every week, needs on everything and is chilling

has a significantly better time playing the game than the rest of us

[lucid olive]

used to be harder

brann healing increased..

[wild dune]

did they buff brann

[lucid olive]

who knows.. thats what zorthas said

[meager storm]

should have recorded it so u see my branns pots always despawning during every suck

[vital hound]

i got like 80% on my first attempt

thought it was gonna be the easiest shit of my life

ragequit after 20 having made 0 prog

[lofty depot]

BRO ME

[meager storm]

get back

[lofty depot]

always forget

[meager storm]

kyveza is calling sheep

[vital hound]

wage cage

gonna give it a hiss tonight

[meager storm]

[hollow mist]

relatable

[vital hound]

its the fucking worst

[hollow mist]

at least i can play runescape while waging

[rotund sparrow]

Thought I'm a decent player, Kyveza taught me otherwise

[jade flume]

yoink

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

they might not have a shadow player if goop sang are aug

imagine

aug bad surely

[vital hound]

Good living

[craggy sonnet]

idk, i think dev better than aug?

[vital hound]

Dev is huge

Big dam

[glossy jungle]

Aug is big dam when its buffing big dam...

[lofty depot]

yea but i need my 10% int

thats my bis

[vital hound]

[wintry umbra]

anyone know if tettles comments on max's ranking vid were before or after the buff that sounds like move kotg back ahead

[drifting nova]

yes

[meager storm]

it was before buffs

[lofty depot]

look at the day of the stream

[wintry umbra]

ah was looking at upload date not max's computer date

[calm ibex]

Do keys while doing it

[lofty depot]

it was like a week ago or something

it was pretty doomer before the buffs

[hollow mist]

keys are banned this season

pvp main only

[calm ibex]

😭

[dense steeple]

I wanna get on kyveza for the memes but I have whee buff for tuesday

[calm ibex]

Oh shit I should do that too

What time does the dmf close

Hope I get home in time

[lofty depot]

its closed

[calm ibex]

NOIIII

Brb crying

[dense steeple]

Rekt

A buddy of mine is renown 10

Im jealous

[calm ibex]

How wtf I’m 8

[lofty depot]

not locked in

[calm ibex]

True

[meager storm]

if u are not 10

u are a pleb

[lucid olive]

if you are 10

you're a nolife sweaty tryhard

and should log off

[meager storm]

[craggy sonnet]

hmmm

how do you 10 tho

abusers?

[delicate perch]

1 aug per boomkin, insane tech don't leak this

[dense steeple]

Do karesh on like 7 charas

[craggy sonnet]

oh you get the contract rep on every char?

[dense steeple]

Its acc wide

[craggy sonnet]

or whats the deal with mult chars

[dense steeple]

And karesh wqs give more than 15 ob alts

[craggy sonnet]

uhh

so its not the contract?

i thought WQs also give credit accountwide

[dense steeple]

Its both

But also reg wqs don't give rep on alts for karesh

[craggy sonnet]

im so confused

what gives rep on alts

[dense steeple]

Just karesh and undermine

[elder remnant]

anyone here done an extra 2x m0s?

[calm ibex]

I have

[craggy sonnet]

so its bugged

[dense steeple]

Likeif you do a skyflying wq. With contract you get 15 rep

Then on alt you dont get it

But in karesh you get rep for both main and alt with contract

[craggy sonnet]

sounds like a bug, ye?

[dense steeple]

Idk

[elder remnant]

why would you do the extra m0s for champ track

[calm ibex]

Tier

[delicate perch]

how is that conversation still going

[vital hound]

holy fuck

[calm ibex]

Hm?

[vital hound]

how is it so confusing

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-12818435867894926579

[vital hound]

that doing doing 2x m0 is good

[delicate perch]

yep (not doin em lol) (I lied)

[vital hound]

yea they're a waste of time (i did them) (on two boomkins) (and an evoker)

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

why can't you guys let me have FUN

with the randoms that aren't in here 24/7

[calm ibex]

I got baited? Noooo

[elder remnant]

anyone get their mythic slot rng from kyveza yet?

[meager storm]

worked for undermine so been there for a whole tier

[craggy sonnet]

i c

[obsidian jetty]

yes, but they just didn't fix it for 2 seasons. It happened in s1 as well but they did fix it

[drifting nova]

english?

[inland glacier]

is fury of elune decent now?

[elder remnant]

no

[lucid olive]

i wanted to continue the bit but people will believe me..

[elder remnant]

oh i have something big planned don't worry

[lofty depot]

need an aug for arcane as well

[elder remnant]

expect chaos tomorrow 🙂

[lucid olive]

since the only myth track items from the delve vault pool is tier youre basically guaranteed myth track tier from killing kyveza

[lofty depot]

not for keeper

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

we were using it because of cap requirement