brain fried :/
#balance
idle steeple
Blizz detected fun and said absolutely the fuck not
loud kettle
Nice try idiot
merry ibex
So is KOTG still the same rotation as undermine? Or do we still have to do that stupid Starfall spam in-between ca?
meager storm
starting kyveza any pull predictions
merry ibex
0
meager storm
i am not that good
craggy sonnet
meaning, making sure you have treants up at the end of CA and enough ap to pump out your buffed surges
obsidian jetty
I bet you could sub 70 it
pallid bay
starting kyveza any pull predictions
50
merry ibex
meaning, making sure you have treants up at the end of CA and enough ap to pump ...
So trees are being sent after CA ends? 💀
meager storm
no then i will throw
craggy sonnet
So trees are being sent after CA ends? 💀
thats not what i said
lofty depot
no then i will throw
STREAM IT
meager storm
craggy sonnet
you want the treants to still be up to buff the 2 surges at the end of ca
craggy sonnet
so you do not send them pre CA anymore
merry ibex
so you do not send them pre CA anymore
Oh ok I get it
lofty depot
you use 2 globals (generally surge) as ur first globals in ca. then u trees.
pallid bay
<:SERIOUSLY:1318327612879278163>
If you don't stream you don't get bragging rights..
craggy sonnet
@lofty depot did you do anything fishy to get the kotg numby up to 5.67M yday?
seeing that thing in the izen video right now
night gulch
someone link izen the 5.8 sim, lets go full bait
lucid olive
why
night gulch
why not
lofty depot
i dont think this is mine tho
lucid olive
because spreading misinformation to the masses is a big gaint L
merry ibex
Is it worth to send 2 set 2 set at all or just wait til new 4?
craggy sonnet
cant blame izen because you didnt say anything about what you posted
pallid bay
Smh
craggy sonnet
legit just came around with a higher number every 5mins
lofty depot
sure i cna
craggy sonnet
you were baiting the entire channel
lofty depot
BECAUSE I LITERALLY SAID STRICT 5
pallid bay
cant blame izen because you didnt say anything about what you posted
I can and I will..
lucid olive
well you're talking about the guy who used a sim with a fake trinket and sent it to ulria as well
lucid olive
don't think context is in arctic's nature
lofty depot
thats what the c stands for
lucid olive
no, it stands for oce word you can't say here
lofty depot
i gave context hello
lofty depot
no, it stands for *oce word you can't say here*
well no thats the other c
2 c's
JUST SO WERE CLEAR
DAK STILL ISNT LIVE
meager storm
im eating wings
loud kettle
Cunts the lot of you
loud kettle
I say it cuz im told i cant
mighty mica
just happened to be tabbed in
loud kettle
thyme is a homie anyway
lofty depot
mighty mica
crazy abusing the trusted role smh my head
actually i think with the s isn't blocked
¯_(ツ)_/¯
stiff wyvern
wait we are tree boys again?
vital hound
no, it stands for *oce word you can't say here*
lofty depot
wait we are tree boys again?
yea lock in
lofty depot
what i gotta do to get trusted
under 200 pull kyveza, unforch really
vital hound
whats lockout for rares
lucid olive
EC for m+
lofty depot
ye
stiff wyvern
dam i miss not having to moonfire as much in keys
loud kettle
actually i think with the s isn't blocked
Its this yea
lofty depot
i mean, what keys u doing
lucid olive
give me trusted, i want to ping everyone..
lucid olive
need to ping everyone and tell them to report arctic so he gets banned
stiff wyvern
i mean, what keys u doing
probs 15-18s later on defs not first week lmao
lucid olive
the reverse mage discord
lofty depot
thats toxic
loud kettle
At everyone, boomies are sandbagging again stay on alert
ionic oak
u can ping everyone goahead
what is better Arcane or Frost?
asking for an alt friend
scenic mist
dude is already irish flag and wants more
lofty depot
what is better Arcane or Frost?
asking for an alt friend
arcane
loud kettle
Wheres my expert role
lofty depot
big dam amp vibes
lucid olive
Wheres my expert role
this is the actual sin
lucid olive
i see we're just lying nowadays
ye we are
lofty depot
frick. rocket science. i guess i should study up
i was gonna play frost
frost early season good
lofty depot
boltspam fun
vital hound
@jolly delta thoughts
drifting nova
ionic oak
boltspam fun
i saw that. guess im going to live in training dummies... or i go devoker
lofty depot
boltspam is very easy
stiff wyvern
i saw that. guess im going to live in training dummies... or i go devoker
i got a devoker ready as well
just incase we did not sandbag enough to be good
lofty depot
flurry at 3 icicles, icelance after if 4. GS > IL if fof else frostbolt....
drifting nova
I'm going to lose it aaah
sudden pawn
ionic oak
just incase we did not sandbag enough to be good
exactly
sharp kraken
whats the disengage skill of boomy again
ionic oak
flurry at 3 icicles, icelance after if 4. GS > IL if fof else frostbolt....
writing this down
lofty depot
writing this down
just watch preheat video
lofty depot
whats the disengage skill of boomy again
wildcharge
sharp kraken
wildcharge
wasnt it flap
lofty depot
u said disengage, so no
lofty depot
HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
some tettles wipe levels 0.3% wipe 3 hours ago. 0.1% 1 hour ago
ionic oak
just watch preheat video
im scared arcane pulls away and i have to get a MA in Rocket Science for it
lofty depot
im scared arcane pulls away and i have to get a MA in Rocket Science for it
yea i would say that arcane is likely the play outside of first week or so
probably see choechoi fuggn slamming tho
ionic oak
fine i learn arcane instead
lofty depot
fine i learn arcane instead
its easier now, they play sf
dense steeple
honestly i should be green too
stiff wyvern
buffs are on m+ release yeah?
ionic oak
its easier now, they play sf
yeah i saw that. recommend preheat for vid tutorial?
ionic oak
buffs are on m+ release yeah?
tuesday yassssss i believe
ionic oak
honestly i should be green too
evoker. seems fun
dense steeple
??
stiff wyvern
i like it as well ngl
lofty depot
yeah i saw that. recommend preheat for vid tutorial?
idk cuz i dont play arcane
im sure preheat, porom, or manather have guides
ionic oak
frick it. frost it is
nimble pier
new to balance (from resto) and slightly confused about the recommended raid talents- wowhead says elunes chosen but the import links are for KoTG builds
craggy sonnet
wowhead prolly still getting updated
after they hit us with some last minute balance changes last night
nimble pier
ah ok, so give it a bit and check again.. ty for clarification
lofty depot
yea will be updated before tuesday (surely)
blazing vine
Best time to discard S2 tier with new gear? Maybe wait till you get S3 tier or just prio ilvl and stats for now?
ripe slate
severe yacht
yea tettles has to rewrite it again
Feel for the guide writers, annoying timing!
drifting nova
cringe portals dont reset on m0
lofty depot
Feel for the guide writers, annoying timing!
he had it written initially and then they nerfed it into the ground
very tragic
severe yacht
Yeah grim lolk
I think I saw compodium were waiting because surely it will be fixed
so W
wicked shuttle
new to balance (from resto) and slightly confused about the recommended raid tal...
yeah, ive been slowly trying to update it
meager storm
these lines are so unlucky
wicked shuttle
I think that is the final page that I need to update (Raid tips)
if you see anything else that looks wrong lmk
or references EC as the primary hero talent on anything but for M+
lofty depot
probably fake
left sinew
Is Circe's circlet still worth using in this preseason or has it been nerfed? At what ilvl is it recommended to switch to a better set of rings?
ionic oak
nerfed
blazing vine
yeah, ive been slowly trying to update it
Are you writting one for when to drop S2 tier as well? Or do you have any insight when to do it now for ilvl and stats or does S2 bonus still outweigh champ M0 gear.
lofty depot
Are you writting one for when to drop S2 tier as well? Or do you have any insigh...
u drop it at s3 2p 684
blazing vine
gotcha so just hang onto the gear i have till vault and what not during the week. No worries!
wicked shuttle
I'd just sim it personally, but yeah like Arctic said. These are the numbers on the old 4 set and the new 2 set.
lofty depot
generally ur hanging on to vault til raid right
if u have 1 tier piece in vault from this week u likely take it
then 2p pretty free early
then u have cata charge and heroic demenius cata charge
blazing vine
for sure i just wasnt sure if i should just ditch it for ilvl and stats before hand being iv gotten a handful of pieces from m0s
lofty depot
so u can pretty easily get 4p if u get looted 1 item tier slot from raid
kinda weird using cata charges on heroic gear but shrug
is option
i might send it to try and get hardmode tasavesh done.. kinda depends what gear we get on some of my gamers
blazing vine
But that makes sense. Im just trying to be ahead for raid and start of the season so i dont fall to far behind. I mean if it means getting a head start on stuff then i dont mind it cause ill be doing 10s before long anyways.
yeah that no death a week thing is gonna be ROUGH
lofty depot
well it'll be far easier week 2
blazing vine
i just hope there isnt a bunch of trolls for it. But we do get that downvote system as well so it might even out
drifting nova
surely it gets fixed, blizzard are really good at fixing things ..... /s
lofty depot
i just hope there isnt a bunch of trolls for it. But we do get that downvote sys...
i wouldnt try pugging it lol
just a easy way to tilt
lucid olive
i might send it to try and get hardmode tasavesh done.. kinda depends what gear ...
I am gonna queue m+ Tazavesh on alts week 1 and then jump off before key starts to brick everybody's deathless run for the week
Real menace
drifting nova
I am gonna queue m+ Tazavesh on alts week 1 and then jump off before key starts ...
stop it, dont ruin my plan
having to run normal dungeons is making me want to uninstall
blizzard y
digital berry
normal?
the bosses die in 10secodns (half of that is dotting them up)
drifting nova
bro what ilvl is ah 400 gold pieces
3.5k and I refuse..I might but I refuse
digital berry
bro ur wasting so much time
drifting nova
FINE
digital berry
also there are like 3 ilvl lower pieces for 300 g
meager storm
digital berry
is kotg better now?
kotg is currently better then ec in raid yeah
digital berry
upgrades only
oh ok the 300 g pieces are 603, still much higher ilvl then what you got
digital berry
oh im stupid
quasi flame
kotg is currently better then ec in raid yeah
the guide says to go lunars wrath or w.e
digital berry
dont mind me
lofty depot
LOCKED IN
quasi flame
idk if its for any reason
digital berry
the guide says to go lunars wrath or w.e
what guide
lofty depot
no stream tho, so u cheated
lofty depot
the guide says to go lunars wrath or w.e
wowhead hasnt been updated
quasi flame
icy veins
digital berry
the only guide you need is compendium in pins, but it's not yet fully updated afaik
drifting nova
anyone know what the ilvl divides gear by
lofty depot
the udpate happened yesterday
meager storm
LOCKED IN
i actually dont know how i didnt die once in that fight, i got so many lines and the boss on top of me i stopped moving
and somehow dodged everything
quasi flame
the only guide you need is compendium in pins, but it's not yet fully updated af...
ty
teal sphinx
anyone know what the ilvl divides gear by
15 gear ilvls per 1 total ilvl
digital berry
whacha gearing
lofty depot
and somehow dodged everything
god gamer
digital berry
working out if those 3.5k boots push me over or not
How broke are you
drifting nova
if the boots dont move the needle, no point buying is there
loud kettle
I assume you have cloak, shame, the quest line gives out 642s
2h wep counts twice towards ilvl
Divide by 16
digital berry
surely i wont have valor issues this season
drifting nova
doubt I 've got any shitty upgrades to do
drifting nova
surely i wont have valor issues this season
deleted on season start gg
digital berry
wait fr
craggy sonnet
no
craggy sonnet
why would you believe kai ke si
digital berry
true
craggy sonnet
@lofty depot guess we can actually get there
lofty depot
big race swap
loud kettle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hp3QaZSBSaqMTNRZaWjbi9 almost caught up to wildstalker
craggy sonnet
wait ws is pretty darn close to druid of the claw then?
craggy sonnet
ever relevant on some fight?
loud kettle
Every fight when theyre that close
lofty depot
does feral gain anytihng by strict 5.... cuz if we both strict 5 u know....
craggy sonnet
yea but i mean is there reason to
loud kettle
Ws has more consistent passive cleave
craggy sonnet
crazy edits
loud kettle
Its also less swingy
Which can be seen as either an advantage or a disadvantage depending
loud kettle
Yea parse strat is dotc
loud kettle
does feral gain anytihng by strict 5.... cuz if we both strict 5 u know....
Guarantees 4 min cds happen
also wont drag on too long
loud kettle
Funny enough wildstalker gains an extra 0.7% dps than dotc with pi
Making them do literally the same dps
5.996 🤝
(313k dps gain from pi for the counters)
loud kettle
True...
drifting nova
so do the waystones act as respawns now or
loud kettle
Sanity buff
digital berry
AND dps increase
drifting nova
chat do i actually equip that
giving me ptsd from seeing chat used instead of guys outside of yknow..a chat
digital berry
One of my students says chat when she’s asking me a question
drifting nova
someone at work said it a while ago
and it caught me off guard
code switching broke
red nymph
is there an addon where you can see if people are already saved to dungeon you are trying to do. people are scummy
drifting nova
no
short of getting everyone to link their id
which was a thing in classic atleast
for a bit
lofty depot
well u just run 2 again
digital berry
Yeah but you’re gonna be saved
lofty depot
i will not
meager storm
cedar pumice
is there an alternative ti raidbots for gear simulation?
digital berry
What’s your beef with raidbots
mighty mica
no
lofty depot
u could download the simulationcraft program and do it that way
cedar pumice
What’s your beef with raidbots
no beef. just does not seem handy. or it`s me with curve hands
lofty depot
no beef. just does not seem handy. or it`s me with curve hands
what part isnt handy?
mighty mica
imagine being wrong <:kekw:1104519444933382306>
raidbots is the alternative to simc, there's no other reliable simc alternative that has a user friendly GUI
🖕
lofty depot
hoes mad
cedar pumice
i dont use premium. it seems slow and now it says i dont have talents, so it cant check my gear
normal pilot
are you trying to use armory
if so that's a blizzard problem, and generally you should not be doing that as blizzard armory support is spotty at best
lofty depot
type /simc in game, ezpz
cedar pumice
ok, got it. will try it
keeper of the grove for raids in s3, right? elune for m+ still ?
lofty depot
yes
fiery veldt
compendium updated yet? or prolly wait till after rwf?
drifting nova
getting a belt from cache is a crime
lyric thicket
compendium updated yet? or prolly wait till after rwf?
Dont expect information here before the raid is open guy ..
iron chasm
Compendium usually drops day before or day of a new tier
cloud plover
avg balance L smh
imagine not being spoiled by shadow having it all out before patch release 
pseudo pine
Is it worth to change to 2p+2p asap once u get it?
Or not worth before hero track or something like that?
lofty depot
Is it worth to change to 2p+2p asap once u get it?
Or not worth before hero trac...
at 684 yes
pseudo pine
at 684 yes
cool, ty
worthy olive
Hey Guys,
are we Back with KOTG? 😮
Or still EC in ST and AOE
true viper
EC: +2.7%
KOTG: +13.2%
KOTG is 2.5% ahead of EC
slender island
what's the word crafting? Larias guide sensibly suggests it may be better to wait as there are good weap drops from the first 3 raid bosses, but wowhead suggests crafting the 2h staff
slender island
right, i suppose it depends on how quickly you expect to clear the first 3 bosses on mythic and how much you want to gamble with rng...
atomic sand
are there new sims balance?
potent cargo
right, i suppose it depends on how quickly you expect to clear the first 3 bosse...
And whether you’re even going to get weapons
Like boomy lowest prio for getting a wep lets be real
drifting nova
blind raid when
royal zenith
nothing is stopping you from going in blind kekkers
delicate perch
nothing is stopping you from going in blind kekkers
A lot is stopping from not though
iron chasm
This is how an EC player feels about things
round field
blind raid when
You already play like ur blind
Should make
Raid randomizer for fated season
Every week 8 random bosses
You walk in raid and are met with kiljaeden first boss
drifting nova
You already play like ur blind
get an orange then come back ye
fated season aint happening again
round field
get an orange then come back ye
why would i demote from pink to orange 
drifting nova
see, you cant
lime blade
Anyone figured out why people were losing their extra action buttons onnhardmode postmaster?
wooden fulcrum
how big was the buff guys?
gleaming kiln
What is the best dungeon to sim with the mdt this season?
prisma basalt
Hey guys, with the recent buffs on balance are we still going EC in mythic + content?
round field
how big was the buff guys?
Pins
round field
What is the best dungeon to sim with the mdt this season?
Any dungeon youre doing
round field
Hey guys, with the recent buffs on balance are we still going EC in mythic + con...
Yes
round field
you alright lad
Never better
vital hound
Never better
glad sphinx
barren cove
elder remnant
Has is been confirmed that you can do an extra 2x m0s for vault slots?
worldly spruce
sharp kraken
where is the best dummy to use
forer single target
almost all dummies triggers AoE
lucid olive
Dornogal on top of the tower
Or in Belameth (press Dreamwalk, then walk back left to the portal that isn't marked on the map and fly to the center of the zone and there's a dummy near a house)
vital hound
royal zenith
Has is been confirmed that you can do an extra 2x m0s for vault slots?
???
frosty laurel
some 1 please tell me, how much% buff did we receive in AOE with EC in coming reset ?
vital hound
duzzn mata
delicate perch
1 billion %
past whale
restive jolt
yes myself and alot of my friends/guildies have done it on mains/alts
royal zenith
Of course it works lmao
royal zenith
Tier 1???
restive jolt
why not do 2x locked 0s and do 8 xt8 delves for hero
royal zenith
Okay rae lost it
elder remnant
if you want a socket
and don't care about the heroic tier
then yeah
why would you bother doing another 2x m0 slots that you won't take next week
elder remnant
are you intentionally being stupid or
I'm not saying that at all
I'm just saying why is anyone bothering with the extra 2x m0s
restive jolt
i did on 3 toons
elder remnant
but why do the extra m0s
restive jolt
why not
elder remnant
is it not just a waste of time
restive jolt
not if u get something good in vault
elder remnant
what tier gear would it be in vault?
restive jolt
champ for dung tier, hero for delve
elder remnant
what are you taking @ champ track from vault
royal zenith
So you will say the same if you can complete tierset with a token from NM raid?
restive jolt
tier/weapon/trinkets
swift crater
This feels super weird. None of it’s important if you do M+ and replace it all anyway.
The entire point is give yourself options
royal zenith
“Just champion track, I will not take it”
swift crater
So that your a little more juiced for m+ or whatever
elder remnant
restive jolt
early 2-4pce even if a piece or 2 is champ right off the bat
delicate perch
discord needs an iq test I think
delicate perch
hollow mist
https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-204746616...
:)
acoustic pawn
how do you guys do Ky'veza? I just get melee'd to death
primal grove
how big buff was it? like in total percentage
elder remnant
how do you guys do Ky'veza? I just get melee'd to death
@lucid olive how did you do kyveza?
dire osprey
any1 got that kyveza pull count wa?
lucid olive
<@147914503588282368> how did you do kyveza?
treants that taunt
other than that just do the mechanics
her melees are only bad during the suck damage
play 1m convoke with 90s recharge CA and bounteous bloom
convoke during the suck
barkskin the suck that you don't have convoke for
meager storm
30s trees worked better for me, since u can just let the trees get the melees during every soak, helps a lot with dmg taken
worn raptor
Are we getting a myth vault for killing this thing?
lucid olive
no
meager storm
Also for every lines set but first ones ofc, u can be like really close melee range to kyveza and as soon as she casts it u run to her back so u basically avoided the whole first lines and sometimes u even bait the next ones to a good place as u run
sudden flame
its random chance you might have to kill it multiple times to get mythic vault
elder remnant
no i did hear about that bug sav
dire osprey
https://wago.io/KyvezaPullCounter
ty
elder remnant
all the race to world firsters are spamming kyveza
meager storm
Also the absorb shield on the belt helps a lot
pallid bay
how many pulls dak
meager storm
17
pallid bay
gg invalid
meager storm
Unlucky
pallid bay
- post-nerf
quiet frigate
all the race to world firsters are spamming kyveza
How come?
pallid bay
used to be harder..
meager storm
Those hades hours of experience kicked in
meager storm
used to be harder..
Right
Actually I nerfed myself
I guess I had low graphics for some reason
pallid bay
zorthas kept saying that, he wouldnt lie
meager storm
And my kyveza clones did not show a red outline
So I was literally memorizing them as they spawned
meager storm
zorthas kept saying that, he wouldnt lie
elder remnant
zorthas kept saying that, he wouldnt lie
pallid bay
kept yappin about brann healing increased by 100%
meager storm
Maybe it was actually nerfed idk, it for sure seemed easy to me just a mechanics check
acoustic pawn
treants that taunt
link build pls 🙂
pallid bay
Maybe it was actually nerfed idk, it for sure seemed easy to me just a mechanics...
yeah i think a lot of peoples progress is realising this
meager storm
Nuh uh 
lucid olive
link build pls 🙂
think its something like this CYGAkuH5GdQpDrgY32rlVGnyqBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtwYmBGziZZmZAzwYZmtZsMmZMzsMjZGzMjNsAgBYZbshpZmtRBAgAYzMzMAbGDD
wraith sigil
Brann healing buff was displaying as level 1 earlier in the week. No idea if it was bugged or just bad tooltip.
meager storm
I actually should have streamed it but I was nervous cuz of all the people getting close to 200 so I thought I was about to be there for a while
lucid olive
killing it on stream harder than killing it off stream fr
meager storm
acoustic pawn
she is clapping my cheeks
lucid olive
i woulda killed it in less than 100 pulls if tettles didn't send 1.5k people to watch me do it
acoustic pawn
I ordered sushi to calm down
pallid bay
real
acoustic pawn
thats the way
lucid olive
hunter is free
acoustic pawn
think its something like this CYGAkuH5GdQpDrgY32rlVGnyqBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtwY...
hm, taunting trees + 90s convoke is missing there, doesnt it?
lucid olive
import again
delicate perch
yep we're somehow worse tho
jade flume
And my kyveza clones did not show a red outline
I had that too
it worked when i disabled anti alising though
was actually night and day difference made it so much fucking easier lmao
lucid olive
yeah i disabled aa too
lucid olive
i took all the graphic settings way down and disabled anti aliasing and put gamma to 1.5
meager storm
redo it
jade flume
He got sentenced to pres prison
cloud lion
we hit new low just got decline for m0 and after that got kicked out of group before we started key
lucid olive
bis lists aren't real
fervent hedge
What trinkets should we aim for? any ideas yet?
pallid bay
eco-dome ones, antenna, ritual forge
delicate perch
whichever you get from a vault/end of dungeon because you are not being given one via a loot council
fathom echo
thats true, but one can hope 🙂
obsidian tapir
whichever you get from a vault/end of dungeon because you are not being given on...
What if I am loot council and I give it to me 😂
elder remnant
if you get a shrieking quartz can you run it this week?
gilded arch
if you get a shrieking quartz can you run it this week?
Should use maps next week
dire osprey
nah that was fucked
never felt the need to lock in like this even during mythic raid
obsidian tapir
any tips how to survive the dmg ?
lucid olive
any tips how to survive the dmg ?
obsidian tapir
<a:bearform:1136694808572858429>
=)))
pallid bay
1min convoke, convoke during 1, bark the other one, renewal if you have to
have regrowth dr up
should get some pots from brann after suck to top yourself
proper violet
How is Balance looking after the 8%? Is it KOTG or EC for m+?
lucid olive
EC
proper violet
👍
obsidian tapir
will try it Oi thank you for the tips
west wren
Hey guys, just I’ve seen a lot of groups now in ptr go right side in priory now. What was the reason for that again ? Did they nerf the right side mini boss ?
drifting raft
Hey guys, just I’ve seen a lot of groups now in ptr go right side in priory now....
they nerfed / rework the mini boss and that one is "safer" but whos to say
west wren
Ahh I see got it got it thank you
obsidian tapir
1min convoke, convoke during 1, bark the other one, renewal if you have to
do I need drums as well for it
?
pallid bay
i dont think you need it necessarily, start without until you feel comfy and add it for a faster kill
dire osprey
i just had them and popped them when boss got around like 25%
because at that point it felt like it was winnable 
trim flare
hey guys quick question , how many coffer keys should we have at the end of this week?
jade flume
6
serene fog
i only got 5 and 50 coffer shards, bad rng
upper anvil
i only got 5 and 50 coffer shards, bad rng
where are you getting the 3 extra? i currently have 2 and half
serene fog
redeemed them at the quartermasters
for the rep quests i haven't collected
i probably did it too early tho, could've finished with the events and then claim them, probably lost a key that way
stoic seal
What was your fight time?
edgy garden
so for the opener of KotG this season is the idea to have trees + a 2nd CA overlap with the 2 big starsurges?
serene fog
What was your fight time?
mine was 12 mins, but i had resto gear on
digital berry
so for the opener of KotG this season is the idea to have trees + a 2nd CA overl...
That’s what we’re trying to make the apl do
Get boat value on the first two dryad surges but lose value with trees not being up for second ca
sour spindle
Best joke of the xpac
rigid bluff
😢 last 10% hands were shaking
round field
Now do the hard one...
ashen glen
whats the rewards from that ?
obsidian tapir
Now do the hard one...
what hard one ?
safe kite
The ??
safe kite
Did you DDOS her?
obsidian tapir
=))) I just followed the master Oi
round field
now do ???
safe kite
Sounds like boosting, you have now been banned in China
obsidian tapir
now do ???
=)))) no way there is a ???
pallid bay
<@148552191874039808> ty for the advice
🫡
pallid bay
now do ???
u do it on stream..
pallid bay
oof
obsidian tapir
I was pressing random buttons at that point :)) crazy but fun fight
cant we use this yet ?
round field
u do it on stream..
bold of you to assume i can stream the game..
last time i streamed my pc almost exploded
pallid bay
royal zenith
I would ask it one more time tbh
royal zenith
maybe someone will answer
round field
problem
obsidian tapir
maybe someone will answer
:))) I am used to getting ignored
oblique cargo
Anywhere i can check some updated talent builds? I dont play since S1
lucid olive
wowhead probably
pallid bay
<@148552191874039808>
@vale pebble you allow this?...
rich jewel
not that high requirement for social
royal zenith
not that high requirement for social
round field
<@246708743738359808> you allow this?...
theres still time...
vale pebble
tame dome
folks any idea what ilvl generally to replace tier set with non-tier set?
low sigil
thanks to those that were sharing talent trees, helped a lot
can you link where talents were shared or the talents you used? I can't find them in the channel. I'm thinking about giving this a shot.
low sigil
thank you i scrolled right past it. 🙂
gentle granite
How yall feeling after the recent buff?
round field
dead inside
acoustic pawn
any tips for this BS Ky'veza intermission?
pallid bay
dont try to track it by directly looking at it, just look in the middle and follow it
lucid olive
turn off UI and stand in the middle and look birds eye view
craggy sonnet
gamz, do you have any idea why ascension is not better than other embellishments anymore?
was doing some embellishment sims
and was surprised that this dawnthread/focusing lense combo actually beats it
lucid olive
ascension was better for EC and not keeper
pallid bay
makes somewhat sense no? dawn will be up for your biggest burst of the fight
none of them scale with ilvl right
maybe lense does
craggy sonnet
ascension was better for EC and not keeper
oh yea, i meant compared to previous seasons
pallid bay
i thought ascension does tbh
random comparison
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cuVvc64559QCwtub3EJF6S
with same gear, wouldnt have crafted OH necessarily if you have belt wrist etc
craggy sonnet
ye
lofty depot
and was surprised that this dawnthread/focusing lense combo actually beats it
Big fun, we're back to mastery Crit/vers
Big surges gang
normal pilot
hm all the burst but no pi
craggy sonnet
currently trying out how its looking to separate CAs each with trees again.
something like this
lucid olive
haste kinda sucks
lucid olive
convoke is an issue too
if you played bounteous+incarn i assume haste would gain value
or maybe not who knows
craggy sonnet
currently trying out how its looking to separate CAs each with trees again.
some...
aaaand it seems worse
so i tested both again, not clipping CA duration (+ delay FoN a bit more) and separating CAs to always pair with FoN, and your implementation seems to just be better
pallid bay
😎
craggy sonnet
but i was able to squeeze that missing FoN back in fora the kotg apl
pallid bay
based
craggy sonnet
and idk, that ca condition I was talking about yday ( cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration ) i have no idea if it does anything meaningful
pallid bay
not good enough..
lucid olive
we did spend like a week writing the keeper apl
craggy sonnet
and will probably try to split that whole variable up
lucid olive
and it still definitely needs tweaking
pallid bay
and idk, that ca condition I was talking about yday ( `cooldown.ca_inc.full_rech...
use if CA would cap charges in less than 10s 
lucid olive
i think that line probably needs to have incarn separated
cause you lose like 5 seconds of incarn using it as the dryad despawns
normal pilot
hm this is actually sad. only 3% burst gain from PI
lucid olive
how big of an increase is it for EC on ST
normal pilot
idk gimmee an Ec prfile
pallid bay
here or
pallid bay
4 min mark
im not looking at the APL so there could very well be something else that occur there
lucid olive
but when does that happen
this
craggy sonnet
i dont see it tho
am i blind?
oh thats actually the end of the cd for the upper CA
yea well, but you wouldnt want to forcefully send there
lucid olive
yes you get 2 charges back at 250 seconds
craggy sonnet
and instead wait for trinket to come up
lucid olive
so you send at 240 seconds
pallid bay
what gamz wrote
lucid olive
trinket at 0, 120 and 240 (seconds)
hold maybe the like 2 seconds off you are because of dots on pull or re-dotting at 2m
then send CA and your 2nd CA is up during the Dryad window
normal pilot
elune get almost 8%, but it has no burst anyways to start with
lucid olive
but it doesnt help lining the b2b CA up
doesnt it?
craggy sonnet
it circumvents the convoke condition
lucid olive
no?
"send CA if you have 1 charge available and the 2nd charge is up before your dryad despawns" is basically what that is
convoke and stuff checks for treants to be up
and treants checks for CA to be up
craggy sonnet
"send CA if you have 1 charge available and the 2nd charge is up before your dry...
but this conditions circumvents the check for convoke to be up
which is either always true first
pallid bay
yeah dosnt seem to happen with these talents
craggy sonnet
or if for some reason it wasnt, that would suck
cuz you just send CA with convoke not ready
i guess that the initial idea behind that line was to wait for that 2nd charge
if you had like a 1:30 trinket
lucid olive
cuz you just send CA with convoke not ready
?
craggy sonnet
so that you could send the b2b CA as you do on pull
pallid bay
this seems sus
craggy sonnet
?
this is what is being evaluated
(cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration|!buff.ca_inc.up&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*4|!talent.convoke_the_spirits))
some sus shit
craggy sonnet
when would you want this to be true because of the first expression
craggy sonnet
some sus shit
1:30 trinket?
pallid bay
yea
craggy sonnet
yea there are probably some checks missing
and idk if you would want to hold as long .. probably not
lucid olive
idk 1:30 trinket just doesnt send double CA at 4m
lofty depot
well normally it holds for 4m trinket but all of those cds are up at like 230 (3:50)
lofty depot
idk 1:30 trinket just doesnt send double CA at 4m
does it, if its strict 5
hmm that sample ends at 4:20
lucid olive
simming without variance is trolling
lofty depot
i didnt ask
lucid olive
okay then why chime in
pallid bay
thats with 60% uptime right
craggy sonnet
some sus shit
btw .. whats the deal in this one with the 1:30 trinket?
it just doesnt send another CA after right?
so either gotta wait for the 2nd charge to do tbe B2B or have it send the 2nd charge with trees after?
lofty depot
the other ca isnt up til 255, 4:15
craggy sonnet
i know. im asking if its just not sending the 2nd charge until fight_remains<15
fierce maple
how can I sim for mythic plus? dungeon slice seems like is not working yet
lucid olive
mdt sim
dungeon slice has never worked
it has always been inaccurate and not supported for balance, but people don't like to read the big error message it gives you so simming dungeon slice has been disabled instead
craggy sonnet
thats with 60% uptime right
at 80% its a wash, slight favor to 2x lining
pallid bay
based
pseudo merlin
fastest delve?
pallid bay
any alternative 😩
lucid olive
fastest delve?
voidrazor sanctuary
pseudo merlin
thx qts
lucid olive
np
loud kettle
voidrazor sanctuary
Hmmm
jovial hare
The one in the middle island didn't seem too bad
But not 1 min fast
That seems crazy
loud kettle
That chart is doing them on lvl 1
loud kettle
Last season I think too
jovial hare
That makes way more sense lmao
loud kettle
meme
jovial hare
I was like there's no way
lofty depot
lock in
royal zenith
fungal is chill @pseudo merlin
jovial hare
Was doing the new one on the middle island on t8
pseudo merlin
aint no way
jovial hare
In like 5 or 6 mins
pseudo merlin
fungal is where you charge batteries and shit
jovial hare
Wasn't too bad for filling vault
loud kettle
Fastest i did an 8 this week is 2 minutes on abyss
loud kettle
Yea i hate fungal folly
round field
wish i could bounce on deuxs mushroom
pseudo merlin
The enemy density and types is super annoying
obsidian tapir
wish i could bounce on deuxs mushroom
ayoooo
uncut glade
Man is feral really that far ahead ? lol I can main a kitty but I gotta deal with so much more BS playing it lol
lofty depot
"Far ahead"
craggy sonnet
@loud kettle show sim 🙂
lofty depot
hmm
lyric thicket
Boomie is a head :3 now
lofty depot
well thats not true
loud kettle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7d4CRSSdEaXXPD9jVoLftE wildstalker sim cuz i have it
lucid olive
its joever
celest narwhal
hi im joe
stone ocean
i dont like that everyone uses the same trinkets
For real
loud kettle
Yea trinket tuning is well thought through
Everyone plays antenna + either forge or netherprism
maybe a few exceptions like stinky tanks
cunning basin
its over 😢
loud kettle
cunning basin
8% damage will offset the nerf to the set
uncut bone
peak ragebait
cunning basin
?
loud kettle
Understandable
acoustic pawn
lads, could it be that raidbots cannot sim the new tier set yet? I tried it and all the new tier pieces do not show any set tooltips
acoustic pawn
ok, but when I sim it, it's absolutely fucked, like 4pc is not an upgrade
acoustic pawn
1 sec, simming again
loud kettle
Can just click hamburger menu in top right of raidbots to pull up the sim
or browser history
craggy sonnet
do tier sets still require ptr=1?
acoustic pawn
like its literally telling me to go 2pc 2pc?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/36cJir965YXPH7KyzUbnkL
ah because of embellishment probs
acoustic pawn
because I have my embellishment on my hands
craggy sonnet
it is probably because the new 4p apl is scuffed with 1:30 trinket
craggy sonnet
its already telling you to not equip hands
round field
aka keeper is in its unplayable state
acoustic pawn
its already telling you to not equip hands
ah yea lol
loud kettle
Yea this isnt using upcoming tuning
acoustic pawn
Yeah idk what the fuck this is then
lofty depot
current live tier which is 6x sp 2%
craggy sonnet
do the sim again and type ptr=1 in the Expert Mode Header
normal pilot
you're also simming weekly, you really shouldn't be doing that especially during patch times
half sierra
i sim nearly every day
craggy sonnet
dang
loud kettle
i sim nearly every day
weak, I sim at least once every single simc build
craggy sonnet
is there a 1min trinket this season?
drifting dragon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nhhH1MxviqSb9jV2H89nrK
we still playing shrooms in ST situations ?
lofty depot
ye
drifting dragon
ty
lofty depot
ty
u could swap like crashing or mushroom out for -0.1 to -0.3% losses if u rather like cosmos or moons 😉
craggy sonnet
did you manage to make moons as good as they are in current apl?
lofty depot
i did nothing
sune how ever
but what i was doing is just moving around cast to be useable in different places and seeing if brain could
loud kettle
is there a 1min trinket this season?
There is always badge
lofty depot
holding for ca at 2m because its up at 1:40-
loud kettle
Until the end of time
lofty depot
did you manage to make moons as good as they are in current apl?
but uhhh
he do be doing some work
lofty depot
ok we blame gamz
pallid bay
if that isnt a banger build
lofty depot
yea lock in
steel charm
Are we going to safe 2 sparks for crafting a Staff?
loud kettle
Astral communion detected
lofty depot
Are we going to safe 2 sparks for crafting a Staff?
depends on ur ability to get a mythic track weapon
eager raft
lucid olive
flare moons and communion
its truly a sight to behold
i have not been able to recreate that sim either
lofty depot
Prolly close to 0
then maybe
lucid olive
running the same one again with same APL dodges ascomm like the plague
lofty depot
just gotta proc good 1 time
steel charm
then maybe
Like I have no raiding guild rn, so unless I get one from second vault or can get one from pug then I send weapon yeah?
lofty depot
usually yes
lucid olive
bounteous with communion sounds like a vibe actually
lofty depot
eventaully u wont use crafted staff
clanker was running one with 60% dawn/dusk and asc wins
but as u get into aoe it should lose
lofty depot
bounteous with communion sounds like a vibe actually
dont worry, i proced a new one
tldr; u can play w.e. the fuck u want ig
craggy sonnet
if this is without fixed trees, then it makes sense why bounteous gains some value
lucid olive
dont worry, i proced a new one
yeah but not communion..
craggy sonnet
(since it was missing a FoN use previously)
lofty depot
yea got good mushroom procs surely
craggy sonnet
how did this happen?
lofty depot
how did this happen?
when does that end
lofty depot
craggy sonnet
is that for the trinket?
cuz its the trinket that fricks this
any way to make it respect trinket duration in the fight_remains condition?
instead of generic
craggy sonnet
oh
that makes sense
any reason thats not a thing already?
these trinket lines are not really super clear to me
pseudo merlin
craggy sonnet
actions+=/variable,name=generic_trinket_condition,value=buff.dryad.up|variable.no_cd_talent|fight_remains<variable.ca_effective_cd&(buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.ready)|(buff.spymasters_report.stack+variable.ca_effective_cd%6)>29&variable.ca_effective_cd>20|variable.on_use_trinket=0
actions+=/use_item,slot=trinket1,if=!trinket.1.is.spymasters_web&!trinket.1.is.imperfect_ascendancy_serum&!trinket.1.is.treacherous_transmitter&!trinket.1.is.soulletting_ruby&(variable.on_use_trinket!=1&variable.on_use_trinket!=3&trinket.2.cooldown.remains>20|fight_remains<(20+20*(trinket.2.has_use&trinket.2.cooldown.remains<25))|variable.generic_trinket_condition)
actions+=/use_item,slot=trinket2,if=!trinket.2.is.spymasters_web&!trinket.2.is.imperfect_ascendancy_serum&!trinket.2.is.treacherous_transmitter&!trinket.2.is.soulletting_ruby&(variable.on_use_trinket<2&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>20|variable.on_use_trinket=3&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>20&(!hero_tree.keeper_of_the_grove|buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up|ceil((fight_remains-15)%trinket.2.cooldown.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-cooldown.force_of_nature.remains-15)%trinket.2.cooldown.duration))|fight_remains<(20+20*(trinket.1.has_use&trinket.1.cooldown.remains<25))|variable.generic_trinket_condition)
craggy sonnet
holy frick
pallid bay
i hate it so much
pallid bay
set this variable to true if any of the following is true =
buff.dryad.up
variable.no_cd_talent
fight_remains<variable.ca_effective_cd&(buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.ready)
(buff.spymasters_report.stack+variable.ca_effective_cd%6)>29&variable.ca_effective_cd>20
variable.on_use_trinket=0
mfw that one line is bigger than frost mage apl
royal zenith
🥹
loud kettle
need a vibes sim variable,
if=variables.vibes_good
tender elbow
is it possible to do a sim with new kotg updated? if so, how do i do it
craggy sonnet
you mean the changes coming on reset?
tender elbow
craggy sonnet
set this variable to true if any of the following is true =
```
buff.dryad.up
va...
yea, thats the one i still get
inland arrow
