balance

[lucid olive]

it was 0.2% better

[thorn nebula]

Ah yeah I see

[lucid olive]

so i just sent it

[thorn nebula]

For 4pc sims T3 it uses kotg ST

[lucid olive]

i haven't tried to add shit to the regular APL instead and see if i could make that better tbh

[sour rampart]

Do you think I'm going to get DMs?

[crisp topaz]

Nah, looks good to me

[lofty depot]

trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[royal zenith]

if you post it in every class discord, you might get a dm yeah

[lofty depot]

wait til people find out that the proc can be 30% damage and 60% shield

[royal zenith]

(oh wait, that's what youre doing)

[sour rampart]

I updated it

[sour rampart]

only caster DPS discords

[lofty depot]

CAN WE GET AN ETHERAL FORM OR TOY

THIS FUCKS

[lucid olive]

yeah the best moonkin is an invisible one

[wild dune]

ok but who asked

[sour rampart]

Me!

Ty for asking

[wild dune]

what shitty guide is this for

[sour rampart]

Nah

[lofty depot]

this looks invisible?

[sour rampart]

It's not a guide

I just like ranting about healers and augs

[lofty depot]

actually nevermind gamz has bad eyes, died 200+ times to kyveza

[lucid olive]

real i have glasses

[wild dune]

so you write documents just ranting about healers and augs?

weird

[lofty depot]

maybe its time for a new set

[full tundra]

Someone have to

[wild dune]

not really

seems like needlessly provocative slop designed for a reddit audience

[full tundra]

You saw whole doc?

[sour rampart]

Nah, I just write it for boomkins

Poor guys need it

so many stairs 🙁

[wild dune]

you post it on reddit though

[sour rampart]

I need a boomkin reddit

to post it to

[lucid olive]

no that's the last thing we need

[sour rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-rocking-shocked-trauma-family-guy-gif-3629549

gamz right now

[royal zenith]

[sour rampart]

I'm here for you Deux

[royal zenith]

hows Banana

sorry

Bananas*

[lyric thicket]

Question : do AUG buff can turbo boost our 4p bonus ? Its a like a touch of magi

[inland arrow]

where is this data pulled from

[lofty depot]

simc github

[wild dune]

dawg are you just posting it everywhere begging for replies?

[lofty depot]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/b8217c90bab97f4aec8374717f7da687d7eb832a

[lofty depot]

gotta get his daily berating in, RLE must be slow

[wild dune]

https://tenor.com/view/soobfad-druski-gif-25646977

[sour rampart]

yes

I also dm'd it to you

Please accept my DM

[wild dune]

class clown energy fr

[lofty depot]

do not accept

[inland arrow]

ty

[wild dune]

yeah please dont dm me your shitty guide

[sour rampart]

Or maybe many people are only part of one community and I like talking to different communities about things

[lofty depot]

nah, larias nice guy. he make guide for amirdrassil auggie

[sour rampart]

crazy thought

[sour rampart]

There are a small number of people who are rabidly anti my guide; never understood it but it is what it is

[royal zenith]

yeah, it's the guide

[lofty depot]

idk enough about him to be angry at him

[quiet drift]

Right message, wrong messanger

[wild dune]

careful he might use an alt again to promote it

[sour rampart]

that's a good idea

[lofty depot]

give me lore?

[sour rampart]

@sour rampart2 send it

[lofty depot]

still want the oce lore

[sour rampart]

Got time? I have 20 years of lore

People take themselves so seriously and I like to joke

That's pretty much the lore

[lofty depot]

#metoo

[quiet drift]

🥀

[wild dune]

justpretendingtoberegarded.jpg

[sour rampart]

see? lmao

[lofty depot]

like the twitter guy?

[sour rampart]

who is the twitter guy

[lofty depot]

the one that made tettles crash out

[lucid olive]

atosh

[sour rampart]

OH

lmao

That was wild

[lofty depot]

and then said "guys i was jsut memeing"

[sour rampart]

I saw tettles did get kyveza down

I mean, tettles (and all content creators, let's be real) sandbagging their spec on tier lists has been a meme for years now

[pallid bay]

its because you're insufferable about it

[quiet drift]

[lofty depot]

thats not what happened

[sour rampart]

I didn't say that's what happened

I was just saying

the meme is out there

not new or anything

[steel light]

Regarding the buff raw data :

[sour rampart]

I didnt watch the full crashout or the bait

just saw glimpses of it

[royal zenith]

[maiden pasture]

[lofty depot]

lcok in

tree gang

[pallid bay]

he has me blocked so dont expect anything

[lofty depot]

well no i meant the calling him a sandbagger and they bring up SL

or last tier when we got aura'd

[sour rampart]

ohhh

Yeah

That was dumb

The kyrian boomie thing

[lofty depot]

so the glue eaters then get angry at him for a 3 week old "ranking" that didnt matter 3 weeks ago

[bronze torrent]

Sooo, any consens about us being competitive in raid and M+ now?

[rotund glacier]

Is it a big deal to drop cercies for a 678 signet of the accuser? (Raidbots isn't letting me sim from armory)

[royal zenith]

you're always competing

for motw buff spot

[lofty depot]

we competing

m+ who cares

[bronze torrent]

And losing?

I care lol

[lofty depot]

u shouldnt sim from armory regardless. but cyrce should be worse(maybe). it got nerfed

[sour rampart]

if I could star this I would

[royal zenith]

we can't look into your situation

if there's a god tier feral and you're a mid boomkin, you will lose

[lofty depot]

theres only 1 god tier feral

[bronze torrent]

I don't care about motw, as my raid will have a resto anyways, I would just love to know if the hive-mind feels we are okay-ish tuned now :S

[calm bane]

with the buffs, didnt we go from complete dogshit to mediocre at best?

[bronze torrent]

THAT is my question Priddin

[royal zenith]

ye

yu're mid

you're *

[lofty depot]

we are yes

[lucid olive]

just edit your message instead..

[lofty depot]

we are mid, like always

[royal zenith]

cba this is faster

[lucid olive]

its really not

[royal zenith]

yes, it is

[lucid olive]

unless you're on phone maybe

[lofty depot]

could be gooder or worser on some fights if adds die fast or amps are weird. But shouldnt be a problem

[maiden pasture]

it's faster by like 2 clicks

[lucid olive]

just press up arrow and you automatically edit your last message

[royal zenith]

or I just type you're*

[lucid olive]

no

[normal pilot]

faster is to just not edit

[lucid olive]

real just live with the typo

[maiden pasture]

fastest is to just not care

[royal zenith]

I just mix it up

sometimes I edit, sometimes I type the edit, sometimes I do nothing

[maiden pasture]

i used to right click my message to edit for a long time before i learnt about the up arrow shit

[royal zenith]

imagine some green name in a druid discord telling me what I should do

!!

[lucid olive]

maybe you should listen

white name

[true viper]

gamz whats the big number on the simulation

[lofty depot]

depends on ur level of cook

[pliant swallow]

i read that as cock

....

[jaunty blaze]

Nothing wrong with that

[floral tundra]

Hey sorry I heard cock and came in

[pliant swallow]

Cock alarm is a ringing

[lofty depot]

wheres mattiu

[ripe slate]

i forget arctic did your sim optimization say we should start ignoring haste

[lucid olive]

haste bad

with keeper

haste good with ec

[ripe slate]

yea

[meager storm]

we love crit

[lucid olive]

cant wait for the 5 minute cast time starfire to enter back into solar

[pallid bay]

just prep the regrowth

[meager storm]

hold on now

[pallid bay]

if you're at 4 stacks

you do hardcast regrowth -> starfire -> starfire

both does more damage, one is instant

[digital berry]

Imagine it’s a dps gain to cast up to 3 regrowths before a starfire in high movement situations

That would be a cook

Won’t see me doing it I’m eating swirlies

[thorn nebula]

talent into tree form for the instant cast regrowths

sure we lose berserking uptime

[bronze torrent]

Thanks!

[cursive vigil]

Hey new to balance

RE incarnation chosen of elune / celestial alignment

Most rotation guides I’ve read suggest popping this during eclipse

I noticed it won’t extend eclipse duration to like 30 sec (15 sec eclipse + 15 sec buff from the cd)

It feels nice to use it as eclipse is running out though

So should it be used regardless of eclipse duration or hold until eclipse is due to run out ?

[plucky valley]

Hold for natures grace stacks

Aka when eclipse runs out

[lofty depot]

In m+ it's good to have NG stacks for starfires

In raid, doesn't matter cuz u play keeper

And wrath fast

[craggy sonnet]

@lucid olive btw that end of fight thing is because it currently refreshes sunfire if its below ca duration when the kotg_ca_condition is set. but that happens when fight_remains<buff.ca_inc.duration .. which obviously aint enough if you have to spend another gcd beforehand

and idk how to fix the convoke wait for trinket shit

[meager storm]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNCMMSMK7WZ48ACN0YYFGSCR/4x.avif

[pallid bay]

could just add +gcd.max

[craggy sonnet]

yea

that would do it

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[craggy sonnet]

theoretically it would have to be conditional on your sunfire duration

but its shit to just repeat the sunfire condition when setting the ca variable

[meager storm]

cant wait to do above average dps on splits

then people get tier

[lofty depot]

Double above, u got 16% dam inc

[meager storm]

and we go down

8% is already in

[drifting nova]

it's your punishment for doing splits

[meager storm]

we just get another 8%

[lofty depot]

Ye but u haven't raided with say 8%

So since the last time u raided it's 16%

[meager storm]

well some people raided this week on undermine

[lofty depot]

Did u 👀

[digital berry]

We’re going to do big dmg week 1 and people will call us sandbaggers

[meager storm]

just skip for a sale but then gally incident happened

[lofty depot]

O

[cloud citrus]

isnt it more then 16%

tier change was 4% more + 8% + 8% from last tuning

[lofty depot]

Does he have tier?

[cloud citrus]

is actually 20% it puts su around 5.5-5.6 as keeper which is upper of dps

o thought u were talking about later

[digital berry]

Talking about week 1 when nobody has tier

[lofty depot]

Fuggn fish

Load up kyveza hurry up

[cloud citrus]

dude im too slow for kyveza

i cant even see the clones properly

[lofty depot]

LOAD IT UP

[cloud citrus]

i had like 1 8 minute run and died at 1% and have just... nevr gone back

[lofty depot]

18minute?

We afk?

[cloud citrus]

1 - 8 minute

[royal zenith]

one 8 minute

[cloud citrus]

one 8 minute

[royal zenith]

better stick to the sosa arctic

[lofty depot]

LOVE SOSA

[cloud citrus]

what is sosa

is that a sauce

[royal zenith]

man

what's with all these heathens

[lofty depot]

there not down with the brand

[cloud citrus]

just gonna point out if its a sauce im good with this

[lofty depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyHZNBz6FE&ab_channel=DGainz

[cloud citrus]

o

lol

is that the words to that song rofl

[lofty depot]

its also the name of the song

[dreamy locust]

I still dont believe you

[sand quail]

What's the damage looking like after these tuning for aoe and st?

[cloud citrus]

upper middle

[craggy sonnet]

wdym upper middle

[lofty depot]

upper 👀

[cloud citrus]

5.6 is upper of the middle

[craggy sonnet]

like none of these specs below are gonna step into raid

[royal zenith]

upper...

mid-mid

rank 10 out of 22

[craggy sonnet]

other than enha

and havoc

[meager storm]

bro said upper middle

[dreamy locust]

Enhance

[meager storm]

[royal zenith]

to be fair, we won't know until we actually raid

[meager storm]

we will prob do better

cuz of the amps

[cloud citrus]

12% on 5mil is 5.6 mil

[royal zenith]

yuh

[fossil hemlock]

That's pretty good tbh, how many of the 9 specs above are the same class?

[royal zenith]

at least 3

(warlock)

[cloud citrus]

dk has 2 spots same as lock

so 4 or 9 are 2 classes

[meager storm]

idk about 2 dks

[royal zenith]

I don't think unholy is that good in raid

fdk for sure

[dreamy locust]

If you dont know about 2 dks

[royal zenith]

so you will just stack that

[dreamy locust]

[craggy sonnet]

how is this rank 10 out of 22?

[meager storm]

i see them running 4 locks before 2 dks

[royal zenith]

it's a random number clankz

[craggy sonnet]

oh

[royal zenith]

[dreamy locust]

DKS amz is craz good

right now

[craggy sonnet]

got me

[dreamy locust]

Id be suprised if they dont fit in more

[meager storm]

forgot they changed it

[dreamy locust]

for a lot of fights

[meager storm]

damn dks

[cloud citrus]

pretty sure we will se a boomy or feral in some of the amp fights

[craggy sonnet]

sure

[dreamy locust]

I mean, dps druid is very likely, just depends on other healer/rdruid tuning

Idk how the rdruid change hit them in raid

[cloud citrus]

rdruid is crazy

[dreamy locust]

Still broken in m+

[craggy sonnet]

still there are only like 2 relevant specs below us

[cloud citrus]

even after the fix

[meager storm]

last boss has stacked adds ye?

[nova ocean]

Leaked liquid comp

[meager storm]

destro is doing more dmg

[cloud citrus]

i mean there is also rock boss

which is like a 2 minute 30 fight which is eprfect for us

so we will be good for that aswell

[meager storm]

that was ptr

[craggy sonnet]

you have no idea how that boss will look like hp wise once we get there

[nova ocean]

I don't know how u get it a 230 fight

[meager storm]

0 chance mythic fract is tuned to be an under 3 min boss

[nova ocean]

It has like a 6min enrage and ptr tuning is shit

[royal zenith]

okay PTR timers are off by a mile

[meager storm]

being 3rd to last

[royal zenith]

lol

[meager storm]

yeah idk

[cloud citrus]

i mean having a quick fight is fine?

[royal zenith]

nah it just won't happen

[cloud citrus]

they havent really tried 1 for a long time

[drifting nova]

cinema no melee

[royal zenith]

fights are tuned to be finished on PTR, not to mention many op specs that have lost 1+mil dps in the past few weeks

on live you fight the dps checks cause gear

and actual tuning

[meager storm]

they tune sht down to test the mechanics

if u think what we did on ptr is what goes to live idk man

[lucid olive]

yeah PTR tuning is not representative of live

shit can also just change

[meager storm]

also the giga adds boss, that sht was so undertuned imo

[lucid olive]

like Stix had multiple intermissions on raid testing and worked differently

[lofty depot]

put it in retro spec..... Smoldy wasnt 230

why the fuck would frac me 230

[lucid olive]

Stix on PTR would end up with like 10 ball rollers or something

[normal pilot]

tons of changes have already gone in between ptr and live

frac itself was buffed

[cloud citrus]

super fast boss where mechanics just fly at you

[meager storm]

any new mechanics added?

or nah

[normal pilot]

idk didn't look that closely

[lucid olive]

maybe the Fractillus mechanic that only 50% of raid testers ended up getting

[meager storm]

alrighty

[normal pilot]

i know frac got some spells buffs and same with dimensius

[cloud citrus]

wtb reset already

this tier looking so much fun

[meager storm]

i was expecting the adds guy to get some new mechanic

felt lackluster

[normal pilot]

could be i didn't bother checking the journal text

[cloud citrus]

also dont think i ve ever wanted a end boss mount other then razzzygazzys

[lofty depot]

"the adds guy"

[meager storm]

idk his name man

[lofty depot]

which fucking one bud

[meager storm]

bro

[cloud citrus]

LOL

[meager storm]

the boss that all u do is unlock adds

[craggy sonnet]

cage boss

[meager storm]

and the intermission is all the adds u didnt unlock

cage boss

yes

[pallid bay]

cage boss add boss

y'all suck at this huh

[cloud citrus]

soulbinder right?

[paper granite]

how do you sim balance? Raidbots keeps giving me an error.. cant do dungeon slice.. pulled a mdt and put it in the footer and still giving not supported

[dreamy locust]

Ye

[royal zenith]

need to do a quiz tbh

get educated on raid

[cloud citrus]

soulbinder naaazgrim

[lofty depot]

well dungeonslice isnt a way we sim it

try patchwerk

[meager storm]

yeah that boss, felt way too easy mechanics wise

stack in a spot to break cages, then stack on another spot for the knock back

repeat

thats it

[lofty depot]

watch them add some color swap shit

[cloud citrus]

ok but skiran was also the same

at the same spot of the raid

[royal zenith]

it's like the 3rd or 4th boss in the raid

[lofty depot]

some sprocket color swap shit

[dreamy locust]

You cant stack on knocks, puddles were ticking per puddle dropped

[paper granite]

the problem i have with patchwork is i want to know mythic plus numbers.. not single target

[royal zenith]

it's supposed to have easy mechanics

[normal pilot]

change the dropdown to patchwork

[dreamy locust]

But yeah its also like, 3rd boss orsomething

[royal zenith]

it's like you asking for rashanan to have difficult mechanics

[normal pilot]

not dslice

[royal zenith]

smh

[paper granite]

okay so pwork 3 bosses

[lofty depot]

well, dungeonslice isnt how u do it. ctrl + f "mdt sim"

[normal pilot]

no litearlly just change the dropdown from dslice to pathwork

so you can sim the mdt route

[paper granite]

oooooo i smell what ur steppin in now

[cloud citrus]

wut

[lofty depot]

says the one steppin

[paper granite]

turn a phrase where im from.. pickin up what your puttin down.. etc ty

[lofty depot]

i didnt know that, tell me more

[vernal pollen]

big steppas over here

[tame dome]

Yo folkadoodles, anyone able to give an idea of how the m+ damage of balance is looking for EC?

[meager storm]

better than before the buff

yw

that will be 5 bucks

[paper granite]

idk how its gonna look with tier, but as of right now in M0's its still slappin

[meager storm]

running ec on m0s is a choice for sure

[abstract saddle]

Out of curiosity for raid with the new changes, what are we running before we get our tier set? If so do we swap at 2 or 4? Ty ♥️

[muted violet]

how much damage increase will elune druid get in aoe and single target after class tuning?

[lofty depot]

keeper cuz nothing changed

2p good at 684

[muted violet]

aoe??>

[wild dune]

who knows

[lofty depot]

aoe sims are cringe

[real flax]

not a way to sim that i guess

[wild dune]

not really a priorty for anybody rn to do aoe sims

[muted violet]

thx

[serene elk]

hello !
what's value of 2p kotg ?
when we can swap it ?

[meager storm]

like 1.6% depends on ilvl

[digital berry]

Scroll like 5 messages up brother

[lofty depot]

u can swap at 684

[serene elk]

okay it's fast !
thx man

[meager storm]

if u go from 4 set to 2p 2p its like 1.6% if u go from 0 set to 2p its 7.2%

[scarlet tapir]

awhy did gastank added the last part

ptr=1

werent they hotfixes

[lucid olive]

no applied on reset

[scarlet tapir]

meant to be on the moment they were released (the patch notes)

ah ok

[jovial needle]

hey, saw that there was changes to boomie again. Is it looking like KOTG on single target again?

[cloud citrus]

yes

[jovial needle]

ah nice, ty. Just couldnt find any updated talents on google

[slender dragon]

still not kotg in m+ ? sadly

[tame dome]

I'd love to see some AOE sims

like the old bloodmallet thing used to do with different target cap graphs

[lucid olive]

theres nobody with much interest in making an AoE apl for the keeper 4pc

so it will probably always be doing weird shit

[tame dome]

what if it somehow works out to be really good in m+

[lucid olive]

then maybe some minigamer can learn apl and write it

[tame dome]

I'm also really interested to know how it performs vs arcane mage and aug evoker

[lofty depot]

aug evoker

hm

[craggy sonnet]

cool, play some keys in the coming weeks then

[tame dome]

sadly that's no good

I won't have time to play more than 1 class

and I can't decide which I enjoy most 😄

[craggy sonnet]

then watch others play

aug does not seem to be in the meta

if thats what you are asking

arcane most likely is

[tame dome]

nah meta doesn't matter

I just want to be able to get in groups

[craggy sonnet]

then idk what you are asking

[meager storm]

well if its just about enjoyment log in ptr and do keys

[craggy sonnet]

same thing, no?

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

ull be able to get into groups

[tame dome]

and also not feel like a handicap

I think druid and mage seem ok

[lofty depot]

what keys do u run

[tame dome]

up to 10

[lofty depot]

ull be fine

[tame dome]

even on aug?

[lucid olive]

yes

[tame dome]

cool, ty

so now I have to figure out which I enjoy the most xD

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

if u like aug, id suggest a therapist

[tame dome]

I love aug when it's played as auto target

[bronze torrent]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but I hope someone can help:

Trying to only load Luxthos' WA for Balance, as I have my own setup for resto.

Everytime I adjust the "Load" settings it totally screws the complete package, shows energy bar in moonkin form, shows sunfire 3x etc

Any ideas?

[lucid olive]

does your luxthos WA pack have WAs for other druid specs

cause then putting the whole pack on load only for balance makes everything inside load for balance, including the auras meant for feral/resto/guardian

[bronze torrent]

Yeh I just figured that - if anyone wonders: loading for ROLE works, not for spec

So I just load this WA for DPS and it works 🙂

[dense steeple]

Look i finished it and it works

[tame dome]

that looks hawt

[dense steeple]

it'll look better when i buy a new aio and gpu

[drifting nova]

making me question how much dust is in mine

[maiden pasture]

very pretty

[nova ocean]

Is the plan still to craft a staff if we don't get a mythic one before two sparks

[maiden pasture]

thats normally best yeah, depends on gear and shit tho u might luck out and get weap / trinket set which might make it better to craft something else

[craggy sonnet]

good luck with that as boomie .. damn

[nova ocean]

Last tier every caster crafted staff then all the weapons off early bosses got wasted lol

In my guild

[maiden pasture]

happens

weapon craft saves crests tho

[dense steeple]

this tier the weapon off the early boss everyone wants so

take it as you see fit

are you the best caster in your guild? will you be fed the staff? will you even see one drop for the first 5 kills

[cloud plover]

I'm the newcomer trial

who has only recleared a bit

[dense steeple]

And you're a boomy?

Yeah you craft angle fr

[cloud plover]

nah that's my split alt only

which will craft anyway

I'm priest

[craggy sonnet]

now that EC is dead

[cloud plover]

please don't say it.

I'm crying 😭

poor ec

[digital berry]

Yes

[dense steeple]

we cant all be winners

[ionic oak]

hes also the most humble

[stone tiger]

If we're not raiding mythic we should just craft weapon, yes?

[amber kindle]

is Keeper also the go to for m+ too ?

[meager storm]

no

ec better

for low keys maybe kotg still good tho

[lime blade]

Is there a reason there's so many people doing scraps in undermine?

[stone tiger]

does it give rep?

[boreal brook]

Rwf cheese

[dense steeple]

depends are you m+ pushing

[lime blade]

How does it work exactly...?

[stone tiger]

I'm pushing with my group, but we're nowhere near the top by any means highest we could go last season was +16

I guess by popular term that doesn't really mean pushing, just pushing what we can do :p

[dense steeple]

enjoy your crafted wep

🙂

[stone tiger]

[placid lantern]

There’s cheese? Spill

[unique mirage]

Are the recent changes affecting which hero we play in m+?

[dense steeple]

only by your choice

[craggy sonnet]

@lucid olive what does this return buff.dryad.duration ?
also do you happen to have some usable profile at hand? like just a recent sim

[lucid olive]

its just 10 seconds

total duration of the dryad buff

[craggy sonnet]

oh, was looking at the kotg ca condition to see how you are making it wait for the 2nd charge

[lucid olive]

uuh dryad duration is used for trees isnt it

[craggy sonnet]

and thought this was it

[lucid olive]

or no i dont remember

the 2nd charge is just "buff ca inc up & buff dryads favor up"

[craggy sonnet]

actions+=/variable,name=kotg_ca_condition,value=variable.tww3_keeper_4pc&astral_power.deficit<=50&(variable.on_use_trinket=1&trinket.1.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=2&trinket.2.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=0|variable.on_use_trinket=3&(trinket.1.cooldown.ready|trinket.2.cooldown.ready))&cooldown.force_of_nature.remains<gcd.max*4&(cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration|!buff.ca_inc.up&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*4|!talent.convoke_the_spirits))|buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up&(buff.dryad.remains<gcd.max&buff.dryad.up|buff.dryads_favor.up)|fight_remains<buff.ca_inc.duration

&(cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration

this part

i thought makes it wait

[pallid bay]

god i hate this variables

[lucid olive]

yeah i just got aids

[craggy sonnet]

and the convoke part makes it fire every 2mins

[lucid olive]

its the trinket shit that makes it annoying to read really

if you think thats the line thats making it hold you can just delete the full_recharge_time<buff.dryad_duration and see what happens

i can't think of why its there off the top of my head

so thats probably easier

but that one is basically just "send ca if ca will be fully recharged within 10 seconds" i guess, and then also has treants in front of it on "send if cooldown on treants is less than 4 globals"

[craggy sonnet]

yea

i dont think its the thing you actually wanted to do

[pallid bay]

so 50 or less AP to cap, any on-use trinket ready, treants ready in less than 4 gcds, (CA fully ready in less than 10 or CA isnt up and (convoke ready in less than 4 gcds or convoke isnt talented)) or treants up and dryad remains is less than 1 gcd or dryad favor up or fight remains is less than CA

[craggy sonnet]

but it does it basically

[lucid olive]

buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up&(buff.dryad.remains<gcd.max&buff.dryad.up|buff.dryads_favor.up) this makes it use 2nd ca

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[pallid bay]

[lucid olive]

the holding is just waiting for treants and shit really idk

[craggy sonnet]

no i meant the other thing makes it hold for 2nd charge

nah

[lucid olive]

if you want it to use earlier you just crank up the fight_remains< thing at the end

if youre referring to the shit arctic was doing random 4:40m sims for

[craggy sonnet]

im talking about the cadence of using double ca, single ca, double ca

it waiting to again do the double ca is because of that cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration line

no im not

[pallid bay]

what do you want it do

[lucid olive]

well it does the 2nd round of double ca at 4m cause you have 2 charges of CA ready and convoke is up

it would hold that CA if the 2nd charge wasnt available

if its holding its for treants

[craggy sonnet]

i just wanted to check how you made it do that

but the condition is not super logical

like it does it kinda

[pallid bay]

!buff.ca_inc.up&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*4|!talent.convoke_the_spirits))

it'll use CA if convoke is ready or if you're about to cap on CA charges no?

[craggy sonnet]

ok yea

thats true

[pallid bay]

[craggy sonnet]

so the one i brought up does nothing basically?

[lucid olive]

also not sure how it plays 1:30m trinkets

[craggy sonnet]

it just happens to align that way

?

[lucid olive]

yeah idk

remove it see what happens

[loud kettle]

im glad i dont have to deal with that nonsense for feral apl

[craggy sonnet]

can you give me some recent profile?

[pallid bay]

it is

so bad

you have like 20 iterations of cooldown timers

[lucid olive]

thought i did but i got sidetracked..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8BSzs17gyuesc3q5WfKULM

[craggy sonnet]

no worries! ty

[lucid olive]

just remember to put ptr=1 in expert mode header but you prob know that

[loud kettle]

i fabricate my own nonsense

do not need help

feral apl works with a thereotical double on use 3min and 4min trinket

why? idk

[pallid bay]

[lucid olive]

you're welcome for the jumpscare

[pallid bay]

[loud kettle]

looks pretty simple

its basically this or that

[craggy sonnet]

yea so make it hold convoke for the trinket please

[lucid olive]

i had to add lines recently to fix EC with both 90s and 120s trinkets..

[craggy sonnet]

just change that one thing there

you know

[lucid olive]

well that variable isnt in convoke condition..

[craggy sonnet]

lucky

[lucid olive]

but it should already hold for trinket cause convoke checks for CA and CA is controlled by that variable that has like every possible trinket shit

talent.convoke_the_spirits&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<3&(ceil((fight_remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-trinket.2.cooldown.remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration))

explain this one

I had to have Oi spend like 20 minutes teaching me wtf a ceil() is

[loud kettle]

oh yea its just rounding up

floor is the round down equiv

[lucid olive]

yeah its rounding up stuff that is divided

[loud kettle]

ya

[lucid olive]

and most of the time both values give 1 since it rounds up

so like halfway through the fight it does nothing..

[craggy sonnet]

yea, its that stupid fight_remains shit

[loud kettle]

I use %% instead

that fetches the remainder

[craggy sonnet]

so it just sends CA

and then convokes

and trinkets afterwards

[loud kettle]

but feral apl does trinkets/cds pretty weirdly

wouldnt really work 1 to 1

[lucid olive]

whirling stars was a mistake

[craggy sonnet]

i mean its kinda cool n all .. but a simulation nightmare for sure

[midnight bough]

Balance is saved??

I saw se buffs and nerfs don't know net

[lucid olive]

i hope the # comments i've written in the APL has been a little helpful btw

i was considering going a little deeper on them but that shit takes forever

[craggy sonnet]

tbh i havent really looked at the entire new apl

[lucid olive]

unfortunate

[craggy sonnet]

just specifically searching for what fricked that fixed timer sequence

i will maybe

[lucid olive]

fixed timers..

[craggy sonnet]

not much to do in the next couple of days anyways

yea, in the end its gonna affect the result tho

like you will get a better result with timer variance if you iron these out

[lucid olive]

sure

[obsidian jetty]

just needs the send cds with x seconds left higher in prio no?

[lucid olive]

i just put CA, trees and trinkets to >20 instead of buff_durations and procced 15k increase.. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gK876L9Qw6UBb9sG5876nn

[craggy sonnet]

what again?

[lucid olive]

actions+=/variable,name=kotg_ca_condition,value=variable.tww3_keeper_4pc&astral_power.deficit<=50&(variable.on_use_trinket=1&trinket.1.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=2&trinket.2.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=0|variable.on_use_trinket=3&(trinket.1.cooldown.ready|trinket.2.cooldown.ready))&cooldown.force_of_nature.remains<gcd.max*4&(cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time<buff.dryad.duration|!buff.ca_inc.up&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*4|!talent.convoke_the_spirits))|buff.harmony_of_the_grove.up&(buff.dryad.remains<gcd.max&buff.dryad.up|buff.dryads_favor.up)|fight_remains<20

[craggy sonnet]

oh

yea

does it matter for force of nature?

shouldnt, right?

[obsidian jetty]

didn't double CA at 4m tho. (not sure if that's even better in this, probably is)

[lucid olive]

no clue

[craggy sonnet]

oh you are right

why tho

[lucid olive]

these wraths too

pure dogshit

[obsidian jetty]

it does that often

even with like 60ap

it'll do that same sequence

[digital berry]

It’s to buy time for fon right ?

[obsidian jetty]

yea but you can buy time with surge

surge surge wrath FoN voke would be better, assuming you can't surge 3x

[digital berry]

I mean sometimes you won’t have the asp no

[lucid olive]

well yeah but it should CA with more AP

[digital berry]

Oh yeah that’s not opening ca my bad

[lucid olive]

thats what this is supposed to do ```actions+=/variable,name=pool_for_cd,value=astral_power<action.starsurge.cost*3&(variable.on_use_trinket=1&trinket.1.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=2&trinket.2.cooldown.ready|variable.on_use_trinket=3&(trinket.1.cooldown.ready|trinket.2.cooldown.ready)|variable.on_use_trinket=0)&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.ready|!talent.convoke_the_spirits)&!buff.ca_inc.up

[loud kettle]

is that a end of fight timer use

[obsidian jetty]

you can always have enough ap assuming you don't have to send a CD at x seconds in real life

[lucid olive]

no

[loud kettle]

gg..

[obsidian jetty]

nah the iteration is like 5:40

[lucid olive]

the Wraths are the fallback Wraths at the bottom too

[obsidian jetty]

it's likely surge dryad lines

[gilded geyser]

st and mythic+ talents both same according to icy veins?

[obsidian jetty]

well, starlord was falling off there

maybe starlord pooling

cancelaura time

[gilded geyser]

I dont know if it is wrong talents or it is right?

[digital berry]

For now yeah nothing has changed

[gilded geyser]

okay ty

[craggy sonnet]

uhh .. am i tripping or is that sequence clipping 2s off the initial CA duration?

[lucid olive]

yes you CA right as the dryad dies

[craggy sonnet]

why

[obsidian jetty]

it's to get the CA 1surges in treant and CA 2 with boat and to buff 2nd dryad

[lucid olive]

yeah if you wait any longer you miss treant window

[obsidian jetty]

and if you hold treants, you lose CA value

it's just a middle ground of dogshit timers

[craggy sonnet]

why do you lose CA value?

[lucid olive]

and if you hold longer you also lose a bit of convoke uptime

because you're spending globals in CA without 24% dmg amp from trees

[craggy sonnet]

ok, so this is deliberate and was best simming?

[digital berry]

Is that actually better then just doing the same old rotation we used to do ?

[craggy sonnet]

interesting

[lucid olive]

uuuh currently this APL with these talents sim like 100k more

[digital berry]

Oh damn yeah

[lucid olive]

idk the difference with other talents on the other APL

[stone ocean]

Is it really worth waiting for 2H craft when I’m getting a 2% higher sim from the voidstaff weapon

[digital berry]

By .5 we will have figured out the most optimal use of these dryad buffs

[lucid olive]

the problem isnt findiing it out

the problem is writing it...

[stone ocean]

Surely at that point better to use the 2 sparks to get wrists

Leave gamz to do his stuff he is the wizard

[obsidian jetty]

what makes you think you're getting the mythic void weapon

that shit is going to warlocks and healers first buddy

[digital berry]

Are you simming embellishments aswell?

[stone ocean]

PepeHands

Yes

Still sims higher for me

[digital berry]

If you’re gonna get the void staff then sure don’t craft but chances are low and the power a max track myth track weapon gives is better then a bunch of random crafts

[craggy sonnet]

so you are arguing that you dont need to craft 2h over the hypothetical that you are getting the M cantrip staff any time soon?

[stone ocean]

I’m saying is it worth putting the crests into something like wrists that will not be replaced

[obsidian jetty]

wrists are one of the last items you want to upgrade

[digital berry]

By the time it matters you will not have crests issues

Or spark issues

[stone ocean]

I craft 2H I get weapon wasted 2 potential crafts

[digital berry]

What matters is doing damage in prog

[craggy sonnet]

yea, i have no clue why it handled that 4:13 CA so poorly

[rich jewel]

Wrist bis pog

[craggy sonnet]

wth?

[lucid olive]

raidbots is stupid..

[obsidian jetty]

my best guess

is that it started holding CA at 4m

then sent at 4:13 because it was going to overcap

then held CA again for end of fight 20s

and sent with 20s left

[craggy sonnet]

but why would it not have double sent?

but i think it might be worth to make multiple entries for the CA variable

[obsidian jetty]

might be some silly shit with variance being 4-6 the apl starts looking at the 20s CD line at 4m. Again I'm guessing no evidence

[craggy sonnet]

you cant figure out why it did what

[lucid olive]

better get to writing bud

[craggy sonnet]

💀

[loud kettle]

fix it gamz...

[lucid olive]

mmm no

[loud kettle]

understandable, have a nice day

[lucid olive]

maybe i do the same as i did in season 1 and season 2

fix it in 11.2.7

[pallid bay]

could split it a bit tbh

[craggy sonnet]

see!

[winter rock]

with the buffs in m+, we go EC or KOTG?

[lucid olive]

EC

[pallid bay]

mostly for readability

[loud kettle]

my solution was screw checking fight remains infinity times, and instead base decisions on how many of each spell i have left

[obsidian jetty]

maybe because it was voking still 💀

the buff wasn't up

voke ate the 2 surges

[craggy sonnet]

OH

[lucid olive]

banger

its cause of the 2 P Starsurge lines

[obsidian jetty]

insane iteration, we got the .6 voke hangover

that got 2 surges

[lucid olive]

which is Starlord Starsurges yeah

i assume it should just not stack starlord if you're about to convoke

[craggy sonnet]

so convoke gotta have higher prio than starlord surges

[lucid olive]

since convoke stacks it anyway and doesnt benefit from haste

[craggy sonnet]

yea

but it only was able to do that

because it pooled ap for starlord dropping

[obsidian jetty]

likely gotta change spend condition in starlord lines as well

[craggy sonnet]

at the start of CA

[obsidian jetty]

like it should send surges if voke is soon even if starlord is falling soon

[pallid bay]

isnt surging protected already

not quite ig, just pooling for end of dryad buff

could prob just check if convoke is ready and in CA

[lucid olive]

yeah there are "starsurge if in ca and convoke remains less than 2 globals" etc

but the starsurges it uses there are starlord ones

[pallid bay]

actions.kotg_st+=/starsurge,if=talent.starlord&buff.starlord.stack<3&!variable.pool_in_ca&!(cooldown.convoke.ready&!buff.ca_inc.up)

[lucid olive]

hm it lost 30k with that

xd

[obsidian jetty]

leme see it

[pallid bay]

based

[lucid olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gaSiR5JaMqEcJLULtWshLG

[craggy sonnet]

cant you just put the starlord line below convoke?

[obsidian jetty]

it just does not want to spend at start of CA

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihkp1tBtsUfHCmoXDuAezF

[obsidian jetty]

voke with 80AP

[craggy sonnet]

based

i do the same

[pallid bay]

he copied condition before i edited

[lucid olive]

based

[obsidian jetty]

still -20k

[pallid bay]

compared to

[craggy sonnet]

but legit

[obsidian jetty]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gK876L9Qw6UBb9sG5876nn

[craggy sonnet]

why not just have the starlord line below convoke?

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6DKAJnaQhppeLc52HQF2q4

[lucid olive]

did nothing

[pallid bay]

ye

[craggy sonnet]

this did nothing you mean?

[lucid olive]

yes

made it worse

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hsqUaq15wGrBUo3zK5YykU

[lucid olive]

lost like 10k more

[craggy sonnet]

cool cool

[lucid olive]

or not i guess

also like, all these starsurge casts are different conditions

thats funny

[craggy sonnet]

also btw .. can anybody tell me why it waited to CA in that earlier sequence until 4:13?

[obsidian jetty]

hmm, bad sample, it didn't get dryad favor at all at 4m cd, curious if it will on another iteration

[pallid bay]

god you guys need to be more specific

[obsidian jetty]

iteration ends at like 4:21 on your 5.6m base profile

just does some weirdo CDs, but might be iteration based. Still bad lookin

[craggy sonnet]

the one that gamz sent
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gK876L9Qw6UBb9sG5876nn

this 4min CA is always fucked somehow

[obsidian jetty]

all the CA's that arn't in the opener are fucked tbf

in some way

[rocky ridge]

where exactly do i have to put the ptr=1 in my simc String?

[lucid olive]

expert mode header

[pallid bay]

hmm i guess it waited a couple of seconds

oh we're talking 4:13

[craggy sonnet]

yes

but actually we can start by talking about the 2:06 one

it dumped a surge before that

which delayed that CA

[obsidian jetty]

at 2m, it generally doesn't spend AP and overcaps. At 4m it either doesn't send CDs soon enough when fight is ending. Or when they added time=20 lines, it won't send double CA anymore at 4m.

[pallid bay]

hmm it missed a treants use i think

[obsidian jetty]

that's the issues compiled

[pallid bay]

what

[craggy sonnet]

its all messed up honestly

[pallid bay]

this comment adds nothing to the discussion

[pallid bay]

whats wrong here

[craggy sonnet]

it doesnt spend ap in that CA

[lucid olive]

what starsurge is it using there

[pallid bay]

but it cant

[obsidian jetty]

idk what you're looking at.

[craggy sonnet]

it wraths with 88 ap

[obsidian jetty]

this is what I see often on the 2m CDs

[pallid bay]

yes, what should it do instead?

[obsidian jetty]

or it will 3x wrath

[prime ingot]

go bear form

[lucid olive]

go wig

[obsidian jetty]

should spend at start of CA, even if starlord is falling off, tree voke with low ap

[pallid bay]

you might want to pay attention, could learn a thing or two

[obsidian jetty]

with some limits obviously, like if starlord is literally 1 second, prlly better to wrath surge surge

[pallid bay]

@craggy sonnet

a surge costs what, 36 or so

that leaves you with 52 AP and now you cant spend on dryads favor

[prime ingot]

dsune I'm omw to your continent

[pallid bay]

so the only correct move is to wrath since thats the highest dps spell you have available

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-cat-gif-17528555114691940333

[dense steeple]

Lucky

[lucid olive]

JB changed servers back to NA and then travels to EU

cant make it up

[craggy sonnet]

ok, you are right. i was fooled by the 120 ap it had afterwards (prolly a shroom proc or something)

[prime ingot]

now that you mention it

the last tier I casted in person was the last tier on na

and the first tier I'm back on na I start casting in person again

[lucid olive]

been hibernating in EU server

[pallid bay]

all thanks to trump

[craggy sonnet]

should it have done this surge?

wait the one after

[lucid olive]

scroll up and see which starsurge it used

[craggy sonnet]

f me

[obsidian jetty]

that's starlord 2 to 3

[craggy sonnet]

this one

[lucid olive]

you should start looking at the little letters next to it

[dense steeple]

I love how we have a real tc related convo, and also a convo thats just jb shittalking at the same time

[craggy sonnet]

it delays the CA

[dense steeple]

Life is good

[lucid olive]

scroll up and see which Starsurge U is

[chrome sable]

Gotta analyse the starsurge

[craggy sonnet]

its a nothing surge

[chrome sable]

Lock in

[craggy sonnet]

just spend during boat

[lucid olive]

there aren't "nothing surges"

ye

[chrome sable]

That’s what I’m saying

[pallid bay]

starsurge,if=(buff.starlord.remains>4&variable.boat_stacks>=3|fight_remains<4)&!variable.pool_in_ca

would have to increase boat stacks or remove entirely if they dont provide any relevant increase

[lucid olive]

its also sometimes just random starsurges it will use

like the starlord one being used in CDs sometimes delaying the convoke

the "surge before convoke" ones delaying shit

you know what it needs

a new variable

[craggy sonnet]

i think the pool_for_cd variable needs some forward logic

that might have prevented this boat surge from happening

some kinda relation between ap deficit and cooldown.remaining on convoke/trinket

[lucid olive]

this is why we need that simc channel Gas was talking about..

[pallid bay]

well the boat stack seems quite redundant

[obsidian jetty]

just slap a TC thread

[craggy sonnet]

regardless of that boat surge, wouldnt you want to pool ap before that trinket was ready

to send immediately

instead of pooling after the fact

give tc thread

[digital berry]

Nah keep tc here

[pallid bay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jFp6QgCSW1h87UMCv6SzBz

[chrome sable]

So trueeee

[lucid olive]

gg..

[pallid bay]

so true

[chrome sable]

Me when there’s no variables

[grand spear]

hi guys i just saw the tuning , is it gz or meh?

[lofty depot]

idk what gz means

[lucid olive]

we are proverbially back

[lofty depot]

but we outside with it

[grand spear]

congratz*

[chrome sable]

Vocabulary god

[lofty depot]

its love sosa

[chrome sable]

Bro said proverbially

My bad shakespeare

[lofty depot]

we got proverbs

[grand spear]

alright if we are back then thats good !

[lofty depot]

well were back to being at least mid

[kind sage]

wich delve is the easier?

[lucid olive]

kyveza ??

[strong bronze]

i heard the 1 in azj kahet

tak rethan abyss

[lofty depot]

ok +200 pulls

[chrome sable]

This one’s really easy legit 1 mob

[lofty depot]

HE WAS NOT LOCKED

[lucid olive]

can probably commit that boat line tbh

[cursive mirage]

Gamz

[lucid olive]

sup

[cursive mirage]

It’s me your pal

I mentally checked out of moonkin this tier already. Am I doomed to watch it be insanely good in raid as soon as I take my first tier off in half a decade?

Tell me now!

[dense steeple]

nah

[cursive mirage]

[lucid olive]

we're okay

[pallid bay]

how many boat stacks do u even get

[obsidian jetty]

10

[chrome sable]

25

[lucid olive]

10 ye

[obsidian jetty]

2 stacks of 10 in CA

[lucid olive]

when i removed just the boat check in there it lost like .5%

so definitely worth it

[pallid bay]

and its 1 stack per second or

[lucid olive]

should be 2

[obsidian jetty]

should be 1

10sec total

[pallid bay]

ye 1 stack 2% every 1 sec

[lucid olive]

oh yeah i was looking at the %

[stuck quartz]

is it proper to always pool for 3 surges after entering a new eclipse?

like your first 3 globals after entering

[lucid olive]

pool for Starlord

[snow elm]

does boat stack? for instance, if i enter an eclipse and then incarn, does that mean i get double the crit bonus

[obsidian jetty]

it's more nuanced than that. Sometimes starlord will be desync'd from eclipse due to CA being 12sec

and sometimes there will be big movement you want to pool for

[drifting nova]

is it?

[obsidian jetty]

but yea, if the other factors are accounted for, no movement, starlord in check, you want to surge at the start of ecl for the boat stacks

[drifting nova]

[lucid olive]

not like that no

but if you enter ca/incarn you enter 2 Eclipses so you gain both bonuses

[lofty depot]

that reminds me...

lock in

[lucid olive]

what are you trying to do

you can use like "cooldown.new_moon.charges_fractional" to choose how many charges of moons it should cast at

and like "cooldown.new_moon.full_recharge_time<5" would use spell when you're 5 seconds from overcapping moons

[lofty depot]

nah

[craggy sonnet]

btw, you can proc another 10k dps going fight_remains<15

[lofty depot]

need to check for full_moon and hold uhh its like 15 seconds for CA at one point

precast fullmoon start of ca

[craggy sonnet]

ritual forge makes it weird because its such long duration but decaying

[lofty depot]

and i couldnt get it to precast new_moon and half_moon.. so i had to start the initial at halfmoon and then it precasts it then has full_moon for first ca

legion opener

[calm ibex]

Is moons good now

Please no

[lucid olive]

no

arctic is coping + using it to try and learn apl

[calm ibex]

Thank god

[lucid olive]

and if i know him right

[lofty depot]

frost apl is too easy to make things work

[lucid olive]

when he's done it will be even worse

[lofty depot]

make thing work no variables

7 lines pewpew

druid apl hard

look at this shit

what a cute apl

[lofty depot]

initially moons was only -0.4%

ive yet to sim it being under 1.5% by changing how its used 🙂

but nonetheless we outside with it

imagine we press wildmushroom for damage amp and u slam all at the end of the amp window 👀

bigbigbig

[obsidian jetty]

psure shroom doesn't snapshot anymore

[lofty depot]

smh

[ripe slate]

rip raz shrooming

[ocean ember]

Are we still doing double duskthread? or Ascension/Writhing banding?

[lofty depot]

could be some fun mix matching

but ease wise, dusk thread looks good

will have to do some sims on weap crafts because it is likely still better to get a early high ilvl weapon... There is a mace right first boss so crafting OH could be fine until u get one out of vault

all kind of depends

[idle steeple]

I think wowhead was stating to go with two handed ascension with writhing band

[obsidian jetty]

always depends what you get in first 2 weeks

[ocean ember]

Do we not wanna aim for Voidglass Kris and the trinket?

[idle steeple]

I mean we do but there’s gonna be a lot of competition for those items

[obsidian jetty]

the trinket is w/e

[lofty depot]

well wowhead guide was set for ec

because thats what it was going to run 1 day ago

[lofty depot]

trinket isnt good

weapon is good tho

use araz and antenna

i say "isnt good" its like 1.5% worse than antenna

but i believe a lot of classes use antenna

[idle steeple]

So with the changes to KoTG is there any idea what we’ll craft now?

[loud kettle]

Yea every class in the game

[lofty depot]

well again.... getting a weapon early is often the best. You then later would craft bracer/belt for dusk is my assumption

could do some funny things this tier cuz u shuold be able to get 2nd spark next week if u have shit vault

butttttttttttttttttttttt socket vs spark when u already have a shit vault idk

[idle steeple]

Would you recommend doing the two hand like they originally suggested or a 1 hand so then you could craft a second piece

[lofty depot]

again, that depends on ur ability to get a 1h mythic track weapon

[idle steeple]

True true

[lofty depot]

if u get the MH from plexus u could craft oh

[craggy sonnet]

you cant pick half spark from vault

[lofty depot]

and then ur only using 1 spark

[lofty depot]

WHY THE FUCK NOT

[craggy sonnet]

BECAUSE THAT ITEM IS ADDED TO VENDOR LATER IN THE SEASON

[lofty depot]

(i think u said this earlier

[craggy sonnet]

like .5 patch

yesd