balance

[vital hound]

rather than whatever the fuck trees is

[digital berry]

I have no beef with trees ngl

[meager storm]

Poor trees man they were forced to not taunt and just be a 24% dmg buff

[digital berry]

Can they die and grief ?

[meager storm]

At least they can play on delves

[digital berry]

I never considered that

[meager storm]

Don’t think so

I send them where gally lands

And they survive

[lucid olive]

They can die yeah

But mostly to melee hits

The dmg pets take is kinda weird

[wicked shuttle]

What % gain is KOTG tier

Do you know

18?

[meager storm]

yes iirc

[pseudo pine]

So is kotg better then ec now for raid or is it still dead?

And why the EC nerfs

[digital berry]

Wouldn’t that have changed after today’s buffs ?

[digital berry]

Ec got buffed

[meager storm]

i havent seen an EC sim yet but i think kotg may be slightly ahead

[wicked shuttle]

EC def got nerfed

Moonkin got buffed

[zealous zenith]

Everything in ec tier is nerfed

[wicked shuttle]

Ya back to KOTG in raid

[zealous zenith]

Hence the m+ concern

Hahaha

[digital berry]

Ok but the overall ec dps according to gas is ⬆️

[late gorge]

are changes up on ptr?

[wicked shuttle]

Ya, total damage is going up, but that doesn’t mean EC got buffed

[pseudo pine]

Nice, no cringe EC for singletarget

[ionic oak]

i always believed tettles would get us back in good standing

[loud kettle]

Let's go, love semantic arguments

[zealous river]

Nah ec was buffed by aura buff nerfs on set are worthless because set itself is just bad

[digital berry]

Potato potato

[zealous river]

and kotg on flood inc

[loud kettle]

Who pronounces potato as potato

smh

[meager storm]

me

[digital berry]

I think the Brits do

[ionic oak]

datat or data

[snow elm]

is the aoe difference between ec and kotg really that big

[digital berry]

My favorite is schedule or schedule

[wicked shuttle]

Okay somebody asked “why the EC nerf?” And saying it’s actually a buff isn’t true LOL

But yes it’s just semantics

[loud kettle]

I can only imagine one way of pronouncing schedule

[dry compass]

Tettles EC prog raid challenge when

That's some content

[meager storm]

EC kyveza?

[wicked shuttle]

Say it like a pompous Brit

[meager storm]

thoughts?

[digital berry]

Shejule is like the British pronunciation

[wicked shuttle]

And you’ll say it the other way

[ionic oak]

sheeeeedule

[digital berry]

That’s what naguura was doing

[meager storm]

[loud kettle]

💀

[wicked shuttle]

Idk what they’re doing on kyveza, but I swear I get auto attacked to death

Idk how you’d play EC and live

[dry compass]

All the new delve mobs seem to melee super hard

The season shit in t8s was meleeing me for like 3.5m

[digital berry]

What is the recommended ilvl for 8s anyway

[lofty depot]

ec guardian

[wicked shuttle]

Good fucking comms

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz/clip/AdorableFineWebThisIsSparta-1QJ7VICVgr1hc0L9 idk I still struggle to see which one is real on my wipe

[digital berry]

Top right into

IMHO

[meager storm]

looks fine to me

u probably blinked

[lucid olive]

Mental blink

[wicked shuttle]

One of those cross moved is fried

[lucid olive]

I should stand in the middle instead and bird's eye view it

[digital berry]

Yeah naguura was in the middle top down no ui

[fluid bison]

Just curious I’ve been away for a few days, but I saw they buffed boom is it going to be better for M+ dmg wise?

[digital berry]

Approximately 2.7% better on ec

[meager storm]

are we making numbers up

[covert coyote]

I don't know anymore, everyone says moonkins are sandbagging

[meager storm]

it is a buff overall

[fluid bison]

I thought all dmg was 8% on top of EC buff

[digital berry]

Oh wait I’m stupid

That’s the st sim

LUL

[fluid bison]

Figured it would be higher

[meager storm]

ec didnt get a buff

spec just got an 8% aura buff

[vital adder]

they nerfed tier set

by a lil bit

[dry compass]

People saying moonkins are sandbaggers are people that dont want to accept they're bad at their own class

[thorn nebula]

anyone kill kyveza with boomie yet?

[dry compass]

Easier to say the moonkin sandbagged and got over buffed than accept they aren't the firedup of their class

[fluid bison]

I have a lot of fun playing Moonkin I just wanted to know if they were viable for M plus over like a death night I guess or a Ret pally

[meager storm]

@ripe slate the goat himself

[meager storm]

i think he has the kill on his yt

[digital berry]

Viable absolutely, meta class to push keys who knows, it won’t matter till the .5 patch anyway most likely

[meager storm]

above ret pally for sure, dk idk about that

[thorn nebula]

nice was curious - have had a few sub 10% wipes to some BS, saw tettles and gams earlier had some low wipes too

[fluid bison]

I’m definitely looking to push keys

[vital adder]

what do you get from kyveza?

[fluid bison]

And thank you everyone for your answers. I appreciate it.

[lofty depot]

aura

[digital berry]

Street cred

[vital adder]

worth

[meager storm]

well boomy may get st buffs in the future making boomy m+ a bit better

[lofty depot]

if ur tettles u get 700 people trolling u

[meager storm]

there is just nothing to do this week after u do weekly stuff and the rep

[vital adder]

ive been on mop classic

[digital berry]

It’s also going to get exponentially easier with ilvl

[meager storm]

ye

[true viper]

Buddy im gonna need u to lock it in

[visual python]

any once compared AOE sime of EC and KOTG ?

[true viper]

Yes

[visual python]

difference ?

[true viper]

Alot

[digital berry]

Substantial

[visual python]

EC better?

[lofty depot]

theres not a perfect way to do so, so no

[meager storm]

ec better yes, but its just down to actual testing since sims are weirdge

[digital berry]

For kotg to be better in m+ something insane would have to happen no

[meager storm]

just make a higher cap

cuz the splash dmg with such a low cap is kinda whatever

it also got nerfed

so

[prime ingot]

https://x.com/jdotb/status/1953813281329627381 anyone else find it odd how this tweet is topical within 12 hours of it being made?

jb. (@jdotb)

I was nodding along with what tettles was saying in this video until I got to the part where he said "and then something CRAZY happened that I couldn't have predicted: moonkin got fucking buffed" and I stopped nodding

X · Aug 8, 2025, 1:39 PM

[wicked shuttle]

You’re a prophet

Is RDruid still gonna be sick in m+?

[digital berry]

What do people even think sandbagging means anymore

I feel like we lost the plot

[sullen perch]

https://tenor.com/view/bags-sand-michael-scott-steve-carrell-gif-13987761

[digital berry]

Like complaining that a spec is garbage, 1.3 mill dps behind top dps is not sandbagging yet here we are

[normal pilot]

sandbagging isn't about dps

it's about how can you win on twitter

[loud kettle]

real

[prime ingot]

obviously, crazy style takes more than one nerf to kill

[wicked shuttle]

W

I gotta prep my resto set

[vital hound]

man I see a discord noti, get excited, open app, see it's dreamgrove, assume resto, then see it's balance, fucking finally someone is asking me for moonkin advice, no actually you're just bald

[prime ingot]

the good news for moonkin mains is that mastery is en vogue for rdruid now

[drifting nova]

me, looking for the arms buffs in the note

[loud kettle]

One of the goats

[wicked shuttle]

Hell yeah

[vital hound]

its such a good pasta man

that and the 3.4k io bit are my favs

[twin lotus]

Ez buff

Just cope it to existence B-)

[wide dawn]

Is boomie playable now ?

[ionic oak]

who got that sweet sweet KoTG ST talents

[ionic oak]

sure

[twin lotus]

st talents are probably the same just remove mushroom

might even keep it actually idk

sims

[lofty depot]

did u save the old copy of ur guide 👀

[livid jay]

Guys I woke up to the most random shit ever

A guildie wanted to try gpt-5 and made a boomkin mini game? And somehow it has a lot of mentions of respeccing after each wipe/fight cause that's what I've been complaining about for like a year now

https://ariavolol.itch.io/boomkinthegame

What is this timeline

[digital berry]

Eww

Ai is going to be the death of humanity don’t feed into it

[livid jay]

The more u feed it the slower it will reach the point of spiraling into ai death

[dry compass]

You'll consume the AI slop and you'll be happy

(Or else)

[meager storm]

i dont hate on ai cuz in the future they will find my logs

i must be clean

i just rip a clanker now and then

[ripe slate]

ai will be both the downfall and prosperity of humanity

[late gorge]

Are buffs up on ptr?

[meager storm]

dont think so

[ripe slate]

think theyre stuff coming on reset

[lofty depot]

i assume so unless its just coded weird

cuz u use ptr=1 to sim it

[ripe slate]

didnt gas just hardcode the hotfixes, i dotn think its from spelldata

[lofty depot]

shrug

i can go check

one sec

[vital hound]

yea pre sure gas just added them

[lofty depot]

YEA

[ripe slate]

u guys see the trinket ferals been talkin bout

wonder if its any good for us

weird trinket that is an on-use without trinket cd

[lofty depot]

which one

[ripe slate]

(gonna get fixed)

observers fellers or w.e

[vital hound]

this guy

[ripe slate]

fetters

that thing

its a 21k int on-use with 2min cd that doesnt share trinket cd

[ripe slate]

like that one delve trinket from s1 that got hotfixed

[lofty depot]

yea i remember seeing a sim from someone with it

dooes do more dam

[meager storm]

yes

i have it already

they will fix that

so

idk why they are spreading the info

[ripe slate]

they will, but how fast

[meager storm]

[ripe slate]

i have one as well

[meager storm]

kiss of death or some sht

i remember

[ripe slate]

they also mentioned itll be fixed but itll be fun to use until they do

[meager storm]

ye its strong

[ripe slate]

im raiding monday gonna abuse

[meager storm]

[normal pilot]

early and often

[ripe slate]

my favorite thing about tuesday is gonna be the twitch reaction to moonkin damage with 16% aura buff

in liquid splits

[meager storm]

yeah

surely devs dont take that data

[lofty depot]

how do i get it so i can cheat

[meager storm]

and say oh

[jade flume]

Aint nobody gonna scroll that far down

[lofty depot]

please help

[ripe slate]

well, i suppose that assumes theres any moonkins in their splits

[meager storm]

lets nerf boomies

[meager storm]

any giga rare i think drops warbound items

[ripe slate]

its only the observer rares iirc

[meager storm]

just luck? i have seen a lot of people get it from the big rare

on that zone

[ripe slate]

ixthar and some other one

shabaarbrbas

[meager storm]

maybe yeah

[ripe slate]

idk the name lmao

its on wowhead

[lofty depot]

Me and getting lucky with rare money trinkete

o7

[ripe slate]

you can do both of them on all of your characters

[meager storm]

u can do it on ur alts

ye

[ripe slate]

based on wowhead data its like a 1/20 from either

[meager storm]

i got it on my hunter and sent to boomy

[ripe slate]

and rare loot resets daily too (unlike rep)

i think

dont quote me on that

[meager storm]

imagine that trinket and the 40k one

holy

big cap

imagine that trinket is on the delve loot pool

cinema

[half sierra]

where do you put ptr=1 to sim with the upates?

[sour gale]

So we back to Keeper it looks like? Even in M+?

[meager storm]

no m+ is prob staying as EC

[sour gale]

ty

[warm ridge]

Hello! That's another 8% on top of the last one or just reiterating the current one?

[loud kettle]

separate

So another 8% yea

[lofty depot]

it do be a different patch note

[lucid olive]

Can put it in expert mode header

[warm ridge]

Thanks! So we're currently waiting on mr Gamz for the total % ?

[half sierra]

thanks

[lucid olive]

Nah pins are correct

[lofty depot]

its in the pin

[shy bay]

-20 on being good.

[lofty depot]

gastank > gamz

[warm ridge]

What about AoE?

or nothing's changed there

[lofty depot]

simming aoe is cringe

[meager storm]

hard to sim aoe will just come down to testing it

[warm ridge]

weren't we lacking in that department as well? that's why I'm asking

[lucid olive]

Hopefully we're dogshit in m+ and good in raid

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/kesha-keshaeuw-l9-true-trueee-gif-27481737

[misty patrol]

we're so barrack

[gentle patio]

We're still mid/low-mid in ST

[misty patrol]

we're so doomed

[lofty depot]

depends if u believe in the cheater sim

[true viper]

What about good in both

[misty patrol]

what do we sim on cheater sim

[lofty depot]

5.8

[misty patrol]

more than I expected

W

[round field]

Did gamz kill kyveza yet

[lofty depot]

hopefully that moron went to sleep (4 hours after he said he was going to sleep)

[dense steeple]

I may be finished

[lucid olive]

Lol nerd

[dense steeple]

Building new pc

Please cross your fingers. I do post test tomorrow

[lucid olive]

No blizzard took down the servers at 3am to stop me

[round field]

Gg..

[lofty depot]

nothing changed tilted

(sorry i forgot to sent it after i was doing funny sims)

gamz

i made a higher number

[loud kettle]

if its not astral communion idc

[lucid olive]

Real

[loud kettle]

When was the last time any iteration of ac was played in any content

[pulsar goblet]

No worri dude Thanks 🙂

[meager storm]

terros?

i may be wrong

i run it on stix tho

big

[true anvil]

Switch to kotg or stay ec for m+?

[meager storm]

ec for m+ prob

ec will just scale better for higher keys

so

kotg set is hard capped

[lofty depot]

WERE SO FUCKIGN LOCKED

[meager storm]

ight what did u cook

show me

[loud kettle]

So huge

[lucid olive]

The EC 2pc nerf kinda funny, reducing the proc rate increases the chance that you have a 2-3 stack buff just time out before FoE is back up if you have to cycle Eclipse and refresh dots before you get another proc

Especially if you're going between pulls in m+

[digital swan]

Yea that sounds funny

[vital hound]

he just doing funny timers i think

[meager storm]

nah he just had pi

[lofty depot]

is this funny?

[meager storm]

kill timer too

[lofty depot]

ITS 440

WHATS FUNNY

👀

[vital hound]

yea ur funny

[ruby flicker]

Are you guys upgrading anything this week with carved or waiting

Done everything I can this week just not sure if I should send the upgrades or not

[vital hound]

send

carved/weathered are useless next week

[lofty depot]

any champ item u can get to 691

[ruby flicker]

wep it is, thanks

[lofty depot]

trinkets, weapon, shoulders, rings

[ripe slate]

whats this drop to if the only thing you do is make it 5min with time variance lmao

[dusty birch]

I dont understand

Is a buff or nerf

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

with or without pi

🙂

[vital hound]

[hallow heart]

A berf

[lofty depot]

this is wihtout pi

strict 5

[ripe slate]

was that 5.9 with pi too

not a bad cook for a proper simstack timer

[lofty depot]

obvi 🙂

but the point was to get the 2nd double ca in

sometimes it just doesnt

funny variance :/

but yea just wanted to see theoretical

[ripe slate]

now sim it with 100% amp on your 2nd double ca xd

[autumn raven]

morning fam, do we still being shit?

[dire osprey]

Shoutout to @twin lotus he never stopped believing even when times were darkest

[twin lotus]

If you beleive enough you can do anything!

my next mission is to make flap behave like hover

[dire osprey]

[lofty depot]

thats a recruitie thing

he'll do that and send it

[glossy jungle]

that would be amazing

[haughty sluice]

God bless

[thorn nebula]

Lmao got Kyveza eyy

[ripe slate]

gz

[thorn nebula]

Took a couple hours though that was pretty annoying how bugged the shadows can be

[raw isle]

im eating a rotisserie chicken tomorrow outve pure hate and spite

[thorn nebula]

• ya know we squishy as fuck

[haughty sluice]

Chill

[somber path]

to be fair real chickens often eat their own kind

[pliant swallow]

lets be real does it change anything with our talents

prolly not

unless its keeper for raid again

[royal zenith]

[vital hound]

is this ec or kotg

[ripe slate]

thats a kotg

[raw isle]

bare handed like a cave man too

[lofty depot]

use brain plz

[frigid yoke]

Balanced is saved now righr

[lofty depot]

i posted talents above

[vital hound]

[vital hound]

WAIT I DIDNT SEE THE PIN EDIT

[livid jay]

do we just do delves as bear or

[covert coyote]

do em w/ taunt trees

[lofty depot]

doem as bear and run it down

[urban crescent]

I love this

[livid jay]

very clever profile pic arctic

[urban crescent]

Sheet power of will brought the buffs

Chadge

[olive trout]

Hi guys so right now after buffs we are at least playable on raid? Or we still on bottom dps

[livid jay]

well we do like 5% more than before

still not good but at least not full despairge anymore

[twin lotus]

someone do a sanity check on my math. We did like 5m dmg before with EC. Ec does 2.7 more dmg

so 5m * 1,27

[livid jay]

1.027 bro

[twin lotus]

and kotg is 2.5 ahead of EC so

💀

5m * 1,027 * 1,025

5.3m

but that's ok. We are getting mroe buffs wednesday as well

[livid jay]

[quasi flame]

they really did u guys like that huh

[livid jay]

which delve is the fastest today?

[weary siren]

Hey Guys, just a quick question, im kinda returning player and whondering if the horrific vision enchant is still required to have

[quasi flame]

bno

no

u want ur belt + the new cape

[livid jay]

its deactivated

[quasi flame]

idk if boomkni uses belt very long but some classes do

still if u are new, shjould geti t

[ripe slate]

moonkin is simming like 5.5-5.6 with apl changes back to the old prenerf 4p optimization apl

based on what gamz and arctic were showing

[quasi flame]

can u guys give me a comparison

how bad or close is boomkin to hunters

specifically ranged

[opal egret]

guys are we back ??

[frigid yoke]

We are equal with hunters for raid. Not for mythic dungen

According to sims

[quasi flame]

ty ty

[frigid niche]

So we are in top , mid or bottom ?

[ionic spade]

bottom mid

[coarse dock]

Top 36 for sure

[opal egret]

better in m+ ?

[pale halo]

So basically they buffed abit kotg but nerfed ec nice

[opal egret]

ah okay thanks

[jaunty blaze]

Boomie is die

[opal egret]

any chance someone can link me the possible m+ keeper build ?

[pale halo]

Ser you open google type wowhead balance druid and you find everything there.

[jaunty blaze]

Or the compendium

[lofty depot]

hmm

[jaunty blaze]

Moons is back???

[dense girder]

So we have any numbers for aoe after the buff?

[jaunty blaze]

What numbers do you expect

[surreal sorrel]

.

[jaunty blaze]

You do 8% more than before

There you go

[lofty depot]

type shit

[jaunty blaze]

Man week 1 with 16% aura buff will be good

[surreal sorrel]

still behind Shadow and Lock

[jaunty blaze]

I take it

[digital merlin]

This are the 2 hero tallents?

[primal oriole]

id rather be mid and function then top

[distant oasis]

I didn't play S1 but i heard that moon gameplay was digusting

[lofty depot]

no

its keeper with changing 1 talent to moons

[jaunty blaze]

You played moons for 1 week

In season 1

[primal oriole]

we go moon's now instead of fury?

[jaunty blaze]

And not even necessarily

[primal oriole]

or convoke?

[lofty depot]

we hanvet played moons in a while

[lofty depot]

we dont play fury

[royal zenith]

it literally says moons is a dps loss

and a sidegrade

[lofty depot]

that icon is crashing star

not foe

[royal zenith]

even worse

people can't handle a pin like ga's

gas's *

[primal oriole]

?

[jaunty blaze]

Math is difficult

[distant oasis]

Even if its a slight dps loss, if the fight correspond to the timer its cool

[meager storm]

that sim is for kotg

[royal zenith]

think you guys are just confusing the community more if you post random screenshots @lofty depot

but up to you

[vital hound]

thats the aim

[jaunty blaze]

But let the man sim funny things

😭

[royal zenith]

Im not holding him back on simming

but you can't complain about questions later down the line if you spread misinfo

[lofty depot]

maybe i like to confuse

[royal zenith]

thats why your orange role should be removed

[lofty depot]

that in particular was meant for confusion

[potent cargo]

yes but guys where are we in aoe???

the only thing that matters

[vital hound]

guys can i see a pi aoe sim

[lofty depot]

if only we had a place to chat about simming and apl changes

[royal zenith]

there is

you just not invited

LUMAO

[lofty depot]

true

i do be posting nonsense cant have any yappers

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bcvgQ.gif

[royal zenith]

god how bad are delves

[lofty depot]

ezpz

go bear and run it down

[surreal sorrel]

bad anyway xD

[jaunty blaze]

put on something to watch and no think

[coarse charm]

So is going balances best spec keeper for raid and m+ after changes?

[lofty depot]

raid ye

[coarse charm]

What about m+

[drifting nova]

?????

[jaunty blaze]

likely still ec

[potent cargo]

am i cooked bro i kinda enjoy them

[royal zenith]

oh this is extremely subjective

I heard way more people liking them

hear*

[jaunty blaze]

for me most are ok some are very annoying

[late gorge]

Buffs are up on ptr?

[lofty depot]

no

[potent cargo]

idk some are very cringe

but having returned and doing the 8 delves i kinda just take my time and chill in em

dont feel the need to power bomb them like i would if i was fully geared prolly

only thing im not happy about is supposedly my bronn just cant fucking level even though hes idk lvl 30 or something

[drifting nova]

torghast was more fun

[potent cargo]

torghast was fun ye

[lofty depot]

hm

[potent cargo]

genuinely enjoyed it

[drifting nova]

impressively the delves have gotten worse

through the weakening of rare buffs

[vital hound]

bring back stellar flare

[drifting nova]

torghast even in it's neutered state had big number memes

or silly build memes

[robust radish]

We back?

[lofty depot]

back to palying keeper, yes

[marsh solar]

so any ETA when blizz is gonna make balance a not dead spec? i get instainv to m0 as lock but its like im applying to 20's with 200 rating on my druid

[lofty depot]

did u read the buffs we got or

[marsh solar]

wasnt it just to tierset?

[lofty depot]

8% isnt to tierset

[tiny mason]

Hey guys, quick question from a newbie here - I have the s2 tierset but it's low ilvl, is there a good rule of thumb for when it makes sense to replace with higher level non-tier in s3?

[marsh solar]

is it enough to put us back or close as we were in s2?

[lofty depot]

generally its sim it

i can tell u that 684 S3 2p (which is the normal raid ilvl) is better than 684 s2 4p

[lofty depot]

ur worried about the wrong thing i promise

[tiny mason]

Ill try setting up a sim, never done that before in my life

[lofty depot]

but i dont think were at the overall level taht we were

[marsh solar]

so i should stick to my lock then?

[lofty depot]

download an addon called simulationcraft

u then can type "/simc" in game

[trim parrot]

what do we think about the upcomming buffs?
Will this be enough?

[lofty depot]

u then copy that note into raidbots.com in topgear and can then choose gear u want to try and use

[lofty depot]

read the pin

[lofty depot]

do u prefer playing lock

[tiny mason]

❤️ thanks!

[marsh solar]

"play what u think is fun": i prefer getting invites into keys, i reroll to whatever ranged dps is meta unless its fire mage

i would love to play balance cause i think its awesome but if im just gonna sit for hours getting declined ill stay on my lock

[lofty depot]

ive spammed boomkin every tier before the meta is fleshed out and had no issues

[leaden marsh]

Is it KOTG OR EC for M+ after buffs?

i only see pure ST ping

[marsh solar]

it took 40mins to get into 1 m0 yday and i have 6879 ilvl and 3,2k r.io s2

[lofty depot]

ull likely still see ec being better

m+ sims are cringe

[marsh solar]

*679

[drifting nova]

shouldve played a good spec ahead of time

silly chicken

[lofty depot]

5 ilvls too low to trade things

[marsh solar]

as i said, my lock 670 and gets instainvited

[drifting nova]

as I fail to get into a m0 for an hour as a not 679

just, JUST put bountiful delves in

[lofty depot]

maybe people hate boomkin

[drifting nova]

atleast like christ

[lofty depot]

(they do)

[drifting nova]

yeah, you didnt preplan your char a patch ahead of time

you shouldve known 6months ago chicken would be bad next tier

fail to plan plan to fail

[marsh solar]

i bet if i went on my 660 arc mage i'd get instainvited too

[narrow token]

I got into m0 on my alt balance with 673 in less than 5 minutes, not sure where you applied to lol

[marsh solar]

i applied to anything

[deep hearth]

Open group and good

[drifting nova]

daily reminder the 5 app cap

is archaic

did get to see my tank rage quit priory

so that was fun atleast

[pale hollow]

Is boomie viable as motw buff again sfter buffs?

[lofty depot]

yes

it was viable before

[chilly oriole]

but now keeper will be playable

[silk quiver]

W Tettles. Good sandbag

[lofty depot]

love when people dont know what sandbag means

[silk quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[leaden marsh]

but are we BACK for m+?

or shit bfuf

[slender dragon]

no boomi can't do any +10 keys sorry

[lofty depot]

were good in m+ before lol

[leaden marsh]

im talking high keys

[royal zenith]

honestly, better lock in druid now

so you have a shot in 4 months time for title

nothing will change in between

[trim parrot]

most low/mid keys just want dmg, and there is the question if we can compete with others now

[lofty depot]

yea let me get the crystal ball out

🔮

[lofty depot]

u could before

play better >

[vital hound]

press starfire harder

!!!

[drifting nova]

thatl never happen until the rework

soon TM

[tulip snow]

bring back natures swiftness

[exotic stump]

Clearly not due a .5 rework anymore

Gg

[red mantle]

we love buffs

[exotic stump]

Wrong

[tulip snow]

ok

[drifting nova]

bring back

[vital hound]

[trim parrot]

worst take ever

[exotic stump]

What's the difference between this and our current trees

[drifting nova]

theres less supposed brainpower needed for this

for the very same outcome

have you SEEN some of the trees?

[exotic stump]

Literally just a bunch of nodes to take on "what is less undertuned now"

[drifting nova]

or..what you're doing

[exotic stump]

Current ones ?

[drifting nova]

theres so many dead and/or passives that could be baselines

it's passive bloat

[exotic stump]

Ya I fully agree

[tulip snow]

imagine going to the police station and asking for your stolen stuff back with evidence of who stole it and they say “wrong”

[drifting nova]

which tree do you think is the best of them all

[exotic stump]

The only difference between mop trees and current trees is that they've actually been balancing current trees, whereas mop ones you had -30% damage talents that were untouched for 3 expansions

[royal zenith]

you're being a bit obtuse hemenia

[exotic stump]

I would never

[drifting nova]

the trees look good

[royal zenith]

more nodes to balance means more issues balancing/more time required

[drifting nova]

when 70% of them are passives

and/or routing

[royal zenith]

aka quality going down

[drifting nova]

for what you really want

it looks better

[royal zenith]

in the end you still only swap a few nodes

[drifting nova]

thats about it

[royal zenith]

so what's the point in having more nodes

[drifting nova]

it's the same but it looks fancier

[exotic stump]

You are making my point

[tulip snow]

“you know what, i wouldn’t like a free cast of an ability every so often”

[drifting nova]

actual "graphics makes games good" take

just for talents

[exotic stump]

But why

Out of every spell we've had

It's such a boring ability

[royal zenith]

no?

[tulip snow]

because shamans are eating rn

it’s out of spite

[royal zenith]

the big difference is the problems in balancing, that's not what you said

[drifting nova]

wait deux is agreeing with me

[royal zenith]

I am yeah

[exotic stump]

Shamans are eating because of NS ?

[drifting nova]

ring the bell

[exotic stump]

The big difference is their commitment to keeping the trees balanced

[drifting nova]

..

hah

hahah

[royal zenith]

yes and why would that change if there's less nodes to balance

it would just make their job easier

[exotic stump]

It wouldn't

[tulip snow]

we take the fries first, then we reach for the burger

[exotic stump]

I agree with you guys

[royal zenith]

and you also just have abilities that needs balancing anyway

[exotic stump]

They've proven they can dedicate time to balancing

So use that time balancing mop like trees instead this time around

[rich jewel]

kotg is back?

[royal zenith]

ye fluup

[exotic stump]

Except NS is the pickles that you throw away as soon as you get the burger

[rich jewel]

So same as pre last nerf but abit less bursty?

[royal zenith]

supposedly a similar playstyle ye

[tulip snow]

maybe you just learn to love pickles

[lofty depot]

cap higher, so more

[exotic stump]

Maybe you buy yourself some tastebuds

[drifting nova]

why would you want a scuffed cucumber?

[royal zenith]

fluup just wants to know if we burst again

so he can aug

[rich jewel]

So cap is higher than before the 14% nerf?

[tulip snow]

vibe parsing are we?

[rich jewel]

Wasnt it 25x

[lofty depot]

oh not before that no

but its 3% dam instead of 2

and its 10x spell power not 6

[exotic stump]

Is that as accurate an usage as the guy who said Tettles was sandbagging earlier?

[rich jewel]

Yep i can read

[lofty depot]

ok

[rich jewel]

So u fill cap all the time now

[lofty depot]

so if u can read

why cant u read

[rich jewel]

Or no

[lofty depot]

ye

[exotic stump]

He can read

Doesn't mean he will read

[rich jewel]

[lofty depot]

"why dont u read"

my fault

[tulip snow]

who earlier? i’m not on here 24/7

[exotic stump]

Idk someone earlier completely misused sandbagging

[tulip snow]

lmfao

[exotic stump]

Anw idk what the f vibe parsing is

But sure

[lofty depot]

i promise like 80% of the people using it dont use it properly

[tulip snow]

i remember him saying idgaf if the class sucks i’ll play something else

[exotic stump]

I noticed, I can read

[tulip snow]

based

[lofty depot]

why dont u read then

🙂

[exotic stump]

[balmy light]

@lofty depot can u link the st sim

With the apl

[vital hound]

you can sim ya self

[tulip snow]

it’s a play on vibe coding

[balmy light]

Ye hard when not at a pc

[vital hound]

will get to ya pc

problem solved

[exotic stump]

Ya I got that part, and I know what vibe coding is

[lofty depot]

uhh

let me find a non cooked one

also the apl is updated on the github

[tulip snow]

using chat gpt to write code that feels good to you lmfao

[exotic stump]

Ya ya I know that

But what is vibe parsing

[balmy light]

Ty

[lofty depot]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/druid_balance.simc

but i try to find non-cooked

[analog monolith]

was it reasonable ot nerf elunes chosen tierset? that seems weird if we were weak to begin with. i guess tha want KotG to be the Raid Specc? and any prediction what the tuning measn for m+?

[quick snow]

Was the 5,8kk one just you playing around with small amount of haste or what die you change additionally?

[lofty depot]

well adding 8% to the class would make it giga good

so yes. it was reasonable

[lofty depot]

had nothing to do with haste

was kill time

[quick snow]

Ah

Got it

[analog monolith]

well, some talk hre about moonkin felt like a 8% buff was needed

[lofty depot]

well it was needed

but some of us talking about moonkin give negative fucks about m+

[drifting nova]

shouldve been 8% for EC

[lofty depot]

and would rather it be mediocre in m+

[drifting nova]

or do both and just hate kotg

[analog monolith]

ye i meant for raid aswell., didnt know ec was so "good". + a change in hero talents für raid or m+ would be nice. any prediction if this maeks kotg better then ec in m+?

[royal zenith]

there's zero focus on m+ the first weeks of a tier

you just want to get your weeklies done

ask this question a few weeks in

[analog monolith]

fair

[lofty depot]

well just like moons being good in any setting and getting nerfed, casting starfire is not poggers

its better that ec isnt good in raid

[pine harness]

do we know the value of the tuning for aoe/m+?

[lofty depot]

no

[bold vale]

Boofs?

[late gorge]

do u think we will be good after buffs?

[lofty depot]

in raid, sure

[half sierra]

what's the actual net gain in st from where ec was before to where kotg will be after?

about 5 or 6%?

[lofty depot]

did u read the pin

[half sierra]

i did

if i just add 2.7 and 2.5 it's 5.2, so it's in that neighborhood? i don't know if just adding them is correct

5.2 seems meh for all the dooming. better than nothing though i guess

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

well if ec was 5.3

ur number doesnt make sense

[rich jewel]

He talking %

[half sierra]

single target ec went up by 2.7

[lofty depot]

ok

[half sierra]

and kotg is now 2.5 ahead of that

[lofty depot]

and the number prior to that buff was already 5.3m

so if u take 5.3 x 1.052 what do u get

[honest flame]

do you have any sim link ?

[lofty depot]

for what

i said doesnt

sorry

its 5am

[honest flame]

last night you guys were locked in for 5.8 sim

[half sierra]

yeah, i was just asking about net % gain. so it's effectively 1.025 * 1.027

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

i hate when i do funny things and people take them seriously

no more shit posting

[meager storm]

[half sierra]

so 5.3 million goes to about 5.57 million

[lofty depot]

i also fucking said it was a cheater sim

like idk man

[honest flame]

i didn't saw that

[lofty depot]

we sim around 5.5-5.6

[crisp badger]

is kotg viable in m+ now?

guess nobody cares about that till rwf is done

[lofty depot]

dont care about m+ after its done either

[fossil hemlock]

For the keys the first few weeks you can play whatever you want, for push keys late in the season we literally can't comment on it because there's like 14 tuning passes and 2 whole patches before then

[lofty depot]

i can comment

(m+ is cringe and simming it is cringier)

[crisp badger]

i shouldve played ptr when kotg was cool, it looked fun. was hoping they would properly tune it

[lofty depot]

it is properly tuned

[crisp badger]

we’ll see next week

[lofty depot]

lock in

[scarlet tapir]

Wtf balance buffs? Underserved

[jaunty blaze]

so true

[night silo]

5.5-5.6 is good in comparison with other classes?

[scarlet tapir]

No

Warlock sims 6.4

[lofty depot]

so true

wheres the lock nerfs

[lofty depot]

the problem ur gonna have is how much the raid isnt st

[exotic stump]

But I thought our niche was AoE that's why we weren't allowed to do single target

[lofty depot]

we dont have a niche

our niche was the bench a few hours ago

[delicate perch]

We’re so back

Whoops wrong discord

[wet stirrup]

it's on the very low end, before it was unplayable low end, not it's "maybe for the raid buff" low end

[lofty depot]

thats not very low end

[wet stirrup]

the only ranged dps class that's equally bad is hunter, everyone else can get comfortable above; that's very low end

[exotic stump]

? Bm actually has a niche

[lofty depot]

this is why funny sheet is dumb

mm is below that number, ele is below that number

"everyone else"

[exotic stump]

Trust me you'll be glad when the debuff in Soul Hunters jumps to a BM hunter instead of you

[lofty depot]

simming at 5.5 is perfectly fine

[stoic grotto]

what hero talents are we playing in raid this tier

[exotic stump]

Kotg

[stoic grotto]

ty

[wet stirrup]

kek did you miss a balance tuning or two or what

ele is simming 6.2

[exotic stump]

Although maybe soul hunters has an EC argument? Doubt it but it's a tiny possibility

[proven grove]

is there like a link the see all the sims on specs

[lofty depot]

i read the enh

im tilted

[lofty depot]

gatekept by patreon

[exotic stump]

https://simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW3_Raid.html

Idk how up to date the simcraft website is but it's something ig

[lofty depot]

its not

[exotic stump]

At all?

[lofty depot]

also mm still lower

also doesnt matter ur not fighting range for a spot

[gentle patio]

Boomkin was so bad it didn't even make the list there

[lofty depot]

ur fighting ferals

[wet stirrup]

i believe i said all but hunter, and mm is part of it

[lofty depot]

and in most cases people asking could play better and get a spot

[exotic stump]

Who

[lofty depot]

so true

[wet stirrup]

you're not fighting ferals you're fighting resto

[exotic stump]

You're not

[lofty depot]

in most cases no one is fighting healers

who plays resto 😛

[wet stirrup]

when you have mediocre damage your way in is to be a raid buff, so yes you're fighting resto

since nobody plays guardian or feral

[exotic stump]

Healing meta has been more and more dictated by actual tuning, guillds would rather 3 heal a fight with stuff like 11.0 presevoker than 4heal because they needed the raid buffs from undertuned healer

[stone ocean]

So give me the low down are we still cooked

[meager storm]

no

we are pretty decent atm

[exotic stump]

But Boomkin damage isn't mediocre anymore

[meager storm]

pretty sure this will be our best tier in a while

dmg wise for raid

[wet stirrup]

what's your estimate for doing mediocre damage

[exotic stump]

The bar is pretty low but ya I agree, although this tier was fine eventually

[lofty depot]

well mediocre was us doing 5m

so 5.5 is good

and if u think its not good, ur the person people complain about on wowtwt

[meager storm]

well after people do raid and get real data we will appear prob better than we are

[stone ocean]

Oh nice good to hear that, can someone help me with crafting, I will probably kill Hc fracty this reset it is still worth me waiting to craft myth 2 hander

[meager storm]

cuz of the amped bosses so

[exotic stump]

Mythic ilvl weapon > hc ilvl weapon

[lofty depot]

need to run some funny sim this weekend

the problem is we dont use crafted weapon late

[exotic stump]

The cantrip effect doesn't change that

[stone ocean]

I will replace it eventually it’s a short term power spike but long term it will cost more more creates as I will replace it

[frigid niche]

you have a "new" single target talent build ?

[frigid niche]

thanks

[bold vale]

Phwar

[lofty depot]

its probably not clear, but we run potent in the spec tree

u can also drop crashing stars for cosmos for -0.3%

also... theres only 1 st fight and a bunch of cleave fights so gonna have to get into the weeds a little bit

its almost 6 and ive been doing some funny moons apl shit

and shouldve went to bed

[bold vale]

I should probably look at the bosses

[lofty depot]

the price for trying to learn :/

[smoky ember]

Can anyone link the new tier set wa?

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/OiBalancePTR

[smoky ember]

Thank you!

[carmine current]

Is KotG good on M+ now with this changes or is EC still king of AoE?

[lofty depot]

cant tell til m+ comes out

ec is likely still the way

[dim yew]

https://tenor.com/view/reroll-boomkin-druid-world-of-gif-9224477950400865848

[carmine current]

As long as KotG is not like 10-15% behind on M+ I am fine with it

I just dont enjoy the EC playstile much

[lofty depot]

i mean.. depending on the leve. u likely could be using keeper

[barren cove]

Season 3 boomkin,the perfect class for people who want to feel like they’re playing without actually playing.

[carmine current]

The max I did last season was 16+, I guess I could do the 12s with KotG since thats pretty much very easy

[lofty depot]

u likely couldve done 16s in keeper

[royal zenith]

lolferal

[lofty depot]

all these ferals and resto very angry that were middle of the pack and not dumpster fire

then again, they all probably play m+ and get angry

[barren cove]

i'm not angry...

[royal zenith]

why are ferals so focused on balance druid though

you all have the physical comp

we're not even in the same field of competition

motw in raid can get covered by any spec, doesn't matter atm which

[barren cove]

i just searched up on chatgpt how to ragebait boomkins tww season 3 and sent it here

[royal zenith]

not much to rage about

[lofty depot]

imagine thinking u had a spot as a feral

[jaunty blaze]

imagine thinking

head empty

[lofty depot]

ferals dont do that

so true

[vital hound]

hated, adored, never ignored

[pseudo merlin]

yo

[royal zenith]

#deep

[pseudo merlin]

are we back?

@royal zenith

[royal zenith]

uhh

[pseudo merlin]

@pallid bay

[royal zenith]

we're not useless anymore

[pseudo merlin]

huge

[hasty wagon]

Wat? 🤣

[pseudo merlin]

you're the wrong oi buddy!

[royal zenith]

there's more Oi's?!

[pseudo merlin]

That's not on me!

[frigid niche]

i try sim with ptr=1 and it's don't work , where we need to but this exactly ?

[barren cove]

Keep hugging those dots and casting from afar, Boomy — some of us have to actually move and think fast to carry the team.

[royal zenith]

they have to move

[pseudo merlin]

[vital hound]

header

[frigid niche]

before character name ?

[lofty depot]

seems like a lot of moonfiring in ur apl

[quiet crystal]

Fellas goonfiring

[frigid niche]

like this ?

[sudden flame]

no

[lofty depot]

in the header at the bottom

[sudden flame]

turn on expert mode

[frigid niche]

ah ok thanks , i never o that before

i only have 2% up thats normal ?

[lofty depot]

can u link the sim of what ur trying to do

[sharp coral]

Are we back to the spamming starfall inbetween dryads with these changes ?

[lofty depot]

no

[lament rampart]

So, Elune's Chosen is the recommened build for everything judging by the guides websites, but when looking at rotations for ST Elune's Chosen it starts the entire section with " Elune's Chosen is not the appropriate talent choice for single target encounters", so we're not supposed to build EC or? xD

[lofty depot]

dryad doesnt last 45 seconds anymore

[lofty depot]

guides are likely not updated

[frigid niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hc6EvBDswDNqUva23cNuAR for ST raid boss like 5 min

[exotic stump]

think fast - feral

[exotic stump]

how dare they

[lofty depot]

My Internet died,.stupid thunderstorms

What is the "I only have 2% up" question

[marsh solar]

I just like how warrior of elune makes me more mobile with instant cast starfires. its a slog hardcasting everything

[frigid niche]

i sim my character on live and on ptr with same build and i have a only 2% up from my dps

[lofty depot]

@meager storm simming non variance fixes everything

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6RBaaQ2m1tLFipRh1DzAZt

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5h3ixFi5WgXDyCwLPYjVQC

[exotic stump]

ok but what about being able to pool more than 2 starsurges

[noble tapir]

hi guys do you thinx balance gonna stay Good to play after the nerf ? or its rekt ?

[lofty depot]

learning how to use wildcharge and store asp for movement is the skrill issue

[lofty depot]

what nerf

[noble tapir]

friend tell me they nerf it before starting patch

I dont even start this season so that's why im asking

[exotic stump]

don't trust your friend ever again

[lofty depot]

ur friend no read

[noble tapir]

okay

[lofty depot]

they nerfed the EC tier

because they aura buffed us and dont want it getting out of hand

[mint zephyr]

He's probably talking about the origional nerfs on PTR. Just late to the party?

[lofty depot]

2 weeks late is crazy

[noble tapir]

ho

[lofty depot]

tell him to lock in

[solemn temple]

Tbf kinda crazy they are nerfing EC when the tier is not even that strong

[cloud lion]

Are u and your friend playing in rwf or chasing r1 in m+? If not they can do w/e with class it doesnt matter

[noble tapir]

Cause i hesitate if i start hunter again or i keep boomi idk

[solemn temple]

Unless the new 8% again was making it too strong but still

[noble tapir]

no just an idiot maybe that's why i pref ask you guys

[frigid niche]

@lofty depotthanks

[pliant swallow]

i assume this is raid only or also m+ ?

[lofty depot]

if it was m+ it would have twin moons and likely AK

also, raid isnt only ST so there will ikely be some overlap with the m+ talents

[pliant swallow]

so EC for M+ and Tree for Raid

[lofty depot]

asumption but ye

[pliant swallow]

cause the Tierset all be it nerfed.

still looks like itll slap

[cloud lion]

Remember when u start raiding u still dont have new tier set

[pliant swallow]

in M+

[vital hound]

@mighty mica whats with the pin

[tight dagger]

is the balance a nerf or buff?

[lofty depot]

the comparsion ill give is hte moons one, where peopel complain about the spec/talent and it gets nerfed

[pliant swallow]

both.

[lofty depot]

u wouldnt have liked playing ec in raid

[atomic sand]

dead

[lofty depot]

i said it earlier but idk what happened

[pliant swallow]

aslong as i dont have to manually summon

the trees

[lofty depot]

didnt @ a mod

[vital hound]

[agile nimbus]

anything to avoid the ass kotg tier set

[vital hound]

m+ players

[lofty depot]

ass?

[vital hound]

are truly brainrotted

its insane

[lofty depot]

so true

cant wait for the fotms to go play mage or dk

[pliant swallow]

xD

[vital hound]

cannae fucking wait

[jaunty blaze]

imagine playing those smh

[vital hound]

they need a quiz

for this channel

[pliant swallow]

xD

i might re-roll mid season

dephending how i feel.

[noble tapir]

so you thinx we keep using EC or play Guardian hero talent ?

[pliant swallow]

kotg for raid

[jaunty blaze]

guardian for sure

[pliant swallow]

like last season i guess.

[jaunty blaze]

tank those bosses

[agile nimbus]

ya, ass. The dryad shenanigans are ass. Although convoke is fun.

[lofty depot]

what shenanigans

[raw thistle]

yo maybe im missing smth but the tset was the reason why i want to play balance 🤣

[lofty depot]

(theres a lot of people in this chat that only play m+)

[mighty mica]

what pin

[royal zenith]

cyous pin

[vital hound]

7 year old pin

[pliant swallow]

can we go back

[pliant swallow]

to legion Boomkin