balance

[torpid rock]

tettles give rundown instead of pinning kyveza screenshots

[meager storm]

either middle of the pack or a bit under that

[vital hound]

"expert"

[meager storm]

so the usual

[amber idol]

EC m+ a buff or overall nerf?

[delicate perch]

[zenith goblet]

Tettles are we back or not?

[mighty mica]

quick! the people need someone elses opinion to think

[meager storm]

well that would need m+ testing cuz aoe sims are kinda whatever

[vital hound]

!!!

[solemn idol]

Hey hey. We can have a gamz kyveza pull count AND one for the buff post just now. Theres no reason we cant.

[pale swan]

Tomato man is doing math for our buff,cus who else

on his stream

[vital hound]

[true viper]

Napkin math telling me it’s a 14% buff

[cloud plover]

a sad day is upon us

[delicate perch]

😍

[night gulch]

napkin math telling me its a 100% buff

[delicate perch]

OCEs best streamer

[night gulch]

i'm not good at math though

[true viper]

I made it up

[pale swan]

EC 6% buff in m+ from tomato man

[delicate perch]

It’s 100% because you were doing 0 on the bench

[night gulch]

(so did i)

[ripe slate]

my actual napkin math makes me predict we end up 5.4-5.5 on simstack once its all implemented

[torpid rock]

thats ST

[night gulch]

just undoing last weeks nerf i guess lol, feels pointless

[winter tapir]

someone send me the math from a paint graphic please ty

[ripe slate]

they pulled power out of the 4p which was their point before they just sucked the first try

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah that sounds about right from the tomato. Gamz will have numbers whenever kyveza dies I’m sure.

[solemn idol]

Oh no

[sudden flame]

If kyveza ever dies

[pale swan]

so after the world first ?

[formal crest]

Yeah we will get those in 2 weeks then

[ripe slate]

stronger 4p also means better gigasurges for all the amp bosses

[meager storm]

yeah

took the fun away

[obsidian tapir]

S tier balance ?

[meager storm]

[frank ridge]

ok so which position of the bench are we in rn?

[night gulch]

10x super small though

[meager storm]

we are not arm warriors

[dense steeple]

easily first rotated in

[zenith marsh]

the broken one

[dense steeple]

these are good changes

[pale swan]

pit stop infront of the raid,depending how bad is resto after the bug fix

[harsh phoenix]

What was the original spellpower cap for keeper?

[thorn nebula]

Still 1M dps below warlock who are untouched despite blizzard “tracking over and underperformers”

[dense steeple]

im not a numbers guy but its still a W

[meager storm]

50% max hp

[hardy sapphire]

Does this bonus actually improve Boomie? Let's get back to the tier list, shall we?

[empty girder]

Guys not gonna lie I was about to start playing resto, now I'm quite confused

[rich geyser]

overall buff or nerf?

[meager storm]

oh

[dense steeple]

and im not going to cry about it being not enough because at least kotg is viable

[spice quail]

@wicked shuttle nice sandbagging man

[obsidian tapir]

but they nerfed the elune ?

[formal crest]

Back to being the same position as last tier

I’m content

[frank ridge]

I want to vibe at this, im still main my druid for s3, but wasnt we simming for 5.1mi? it just seemed like it wanst enough but ill wait for the sims

[wicked shuttle]

Man

[sudden vale]

Woah! Don't accuse @wicked shuttle of sandbagging... he's got reciepts

[night gulch]

f that guy, i appreciate your hard work

[raw isle]

yall didn’t deserve it

[manic plume]

Watching tettles attempt kyveza is sandbagging enough

Luv u tho

[true viper]

x1 tettles crash out is required per ptr cycle

[zenith goblet]

I think https://x.com/Atosh_TV/status/1953433627032699020 was right all along with tettles (dont ban me tettles im joking)

Atosh (@Atosh_TV)

Is @tettles the biggest Sandbagger in modern WoW history? And if no, who is?

X · Aug 7, 2025, 12:30 PM

[night gulch]

we needed more than one

[stone ledge]

Someone came from the feral channel

[sturdy prism]

I was praying you'd say some spicier shit especially after he then goes "big fan XD"

[glossy jewel]

any number guys/ladies knowing how substantial these are

[raw isle]

i came from roguecord just to say that actually

[lyric quarry]

ec now does 5.7m st

[merry crow]

slightly less than 8% for ec and slightly more than 8% for keeper

[elder remnant]

BUUUUFFFFFFSSSSS?

[harsh phoenix]

What will be the spellpower equivalent to %50 hp?

[thick umbra]

@wicked shuttle ty. keep up the mispreading king🙏

[tiny tendon]

nah we all know tettles is a sandbagger

[elder remnant]

WE ARE SO BACK

[dense steeple]

its playable

be happy

[meager storm]

insta swapped pfp thats crazy

[tiny tendon]

good round of buffs

[dense steeple]

they can still tune us up if they think we're not performing well enough

the set was revived from the dead

[tiny tendon]

keeps EC in M+ and KotG in raids doesn't it

[leaden birch]

So the EC nerfs, its an overall buff still right?

[night gulch]

assuming 10mil hp, 5mil/spellpower

[dense steeple]

yes

[vital hound]

good napkin

[tiny tendon]

GOD BLESS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[meager storm]

who knows

[leaden birch]

Thank fuck

[meager storm]

wait for sims cuh

[tiny tendon]

EC IS SO ASS MAN

[vital hound]

also i heard you were first kyveza kill chicken

[empty girder]

Kotg playable again in raid big W

[spark kite]

buffkin

[dense steeple]

dont expect meter topping

[elder remnant]

Was ready

[tiny tendon]

we strive for that middle of the pack damage

[sudden sky]

Boomie was giga op for a whole season and now its kinda bad

Everyone crying

[tiny tendon]

fly under the radar

[night gulch]

topping hte meters because guild is bad, W

[stone ocean]

I’ve done the napkin math we are doing 2nd bottom damage now

[lyric quarry]

its now S tier

[tiny tendon]

"giga op for a whole season"

it was only for half the content (M+)

[sick cargo]

Minigame doesn’t count

[potent cargo]

so many boomies in dorn rn bro are we back???

[sudden sky]

Many specs are USELESS in every part of the game

[spice quail]

boomie was B-

[burnt talon]

with the changes, which hero talents are being used for m+?

[dense steeple]

false

[vital hound]

[tiny tendon]

my opinion if I were a meta slave:

[sour spindle]

Dude how do you deal with all that on your UI

[potent cargo]

the names? its only in town lol

[meager storm]

mages when locks do more dmg than them

[vital hound]

i cant fucking wait

[meager storm]

[vital hound]

to delete my feral wa

[tight knot]

does the starsurge cast by our dryad from kotg still not scale off of our int

[ionic oak]

You had one? Crazy

[tiny tendon]

if you downloaded a feral WA because boomkin was looking bad just reroll the class damn

[sudden sky]

Mages are op every season tho

[potent cargo]

mage/lock always op

pick one of those or a raid buff gg you're always gonna be strong someway

[stone ledge]

The big question is the bump in kotg enough to outweigh ec in raid or will it be a fight to fight choice

[sudden sky]

Lock ist always okaish-good

[dense steeple]

kotg playable for sure

[ionic oak]

Waiting for the number crunchers

[tiny tendon]

if it's a fight to fight choice I'm just steamrolling KotG unless it's a 20% difference for the fight

plain and simple

[sudden sky]

Both playstyles are the same😭 kotg got 1 more Button to press

[stone ledge]

I could see ec for stuff like soulbinder with the 3 target cleave

[stoic seal]

or demon hunters

[stone ledge]

Yea

[indigo drift]

Can Tettles just stop sandbagging? I wanna meme 1 shot things again
(twitter joke, dont be a random white knight)

[civic junco]

KOTGs damage profile is just better for all of the fights with amps and pad

[merry ibex]

Another 8%?

[tidal flame]

any chance we grove in plus now?

[tiny tendon]

8% + tier adjustments

[wicked shuttle]

EVERYBODY COME WATCH https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz

HE PROMISED SIMS AFTER KYVEZA DIES

[vital hound]

im actually concerned that we're never going to see sims

[tiny tendon]

so never, right?

[vital hound]

because he's not going to kill kyveza

[meager storm]

shameless plug

[dense stratus]

=lmao imagine defending the literal best raid spec in all of wow's history

[sudden sky]

You can grove in low keys

[wicked shuttle]

NEVERMIND TURN IT OFF LMFAO

[ripe slate]

tettles you did this to him

[tiny tendon]

LMAO

[sharp kraken]

We back Bois???

[meager storm]

no

[merry ibex]

Jesus the ec tier got old yeller'd

[sudden sky]

Wouldnt say that

[smoky jackal]

Yall gotta sandbag a little more

You're almost there

[sharp kraken]

8% is huge in real time. Why no???

[dense stratus]

it's facts: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1W6Srxei3MQCPMD_p4pUdq5i0Hy3pu2BD7iHAopg_eek/edit?gid=898836316#gid=898836316

[cloud plover]

@dense steeple bringing you the receipts is gonna be more difficult now :( they nuked me..

[meager storm]

well we gotta wait for sims but we may end up at 5.5 mil at best

[ripe slate]

im ok with 5.5 with kotg potential on amps tbh

[meager storm]

well the 4 set isnt that powerful anymore

[ripe slate]

they do gonna take diabolist out back tho

[meager storm]

with 6x we were not even playing around it

idk if it changes with 10x

[sharp kraken]

They didnt touch it right

[ripe slate]

no fdk or lock anything

[echo field]

Link to the buff info???

[balmy light]

I CAN PLAY BOOMIE, NO HUNTER

SUIIIIIIIIIII

[ripe slate]

pet taunt coeff

[wicked shuttle]

1.) that doesn't take into account how utterly dog shit we've been this expansion

2.) Tuning isn't a pendulum like you'd expect. It's like a drunk guy throwing darts at a dart board

[cloud plover]

open wowhead

[ashen chasm]

whats up fellow Balance Players!!!!

[balmy light]

Chat are we back

[merry ibex]

Ec catching strays

[wicked shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-music-band-how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-feeling-young-gif-17269329

[vital hound]

its also only taking last two weeks of stats

which is misinfo

[sharp kraken]

Was that warlock 30% nerf huge?

[indigo drift]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-for-manaforge-omega-and-mythic-release-378074

[wicked shuttle]

only last 2 weeks

[echo field]

lol, had just looked a bit ago, found it thanks

[wicked shuttle]

lmao

[ashen chasm]

HEY TETTLES!!!

[wispy vector]

we did it again boys 🐥

[vital hound]

and 75th percentile

[balmy light]

are we back

[wispy vector]

Tettles i need a video to tell me how to feel about the situation

[vital hound]

on a spec that gets a gazillion swappers for m+

[indigo drift]

Can we keep sandbagging so I can 1 shot mobs again? I wanna see more shorts

[ashen chasm]

TETTLES!!

[dense stratus]

exactly. i'm just bewildered ppl are saying boomies sandbagging, when there's literal logs and data to prove boomie were dogshit in raid and needed buffs, and been dogshit in raid since SL S3

[snow elm]

Why’d they nerf elunes

Frick

[candid dragon]

Wtf blizz

[potent cargo]

just lies perpetuated by streamers for content bc its haha funny

[crystal mortar]

They nerfed elune's to keep it in line with the 8% damage increase

[craggy sonnet]

the set was just big numbies prolly

just baseline spec so weak

[candid dragon]

They destroy they proc

[cloud plover]

yeah it hurts..

[wispy vector]

grove is more fun anyways tbh

[upper anvil]

what addon is gamz using for the notis and sounds? is that little wigs or whatever

[candid dragon]

Well btw they nerf aoe and buff single i guess

[vital hound]

wheres the emergency tier list

[dense steeple]

i appreciate the commitment to wanting to bring them

[cloud plover]

we talked about it so I want to do it ofc

[lucid olive]

i think you might be hearing my twitch follower noti...

[balmy light]

@lofty depot told u tunings

[cloud plover]

just might be harder to tell my guild that I'll play ec now

[shy void]

https://tenor.com/view/zavarius-zavarius-teddy-zavateddy-zavameow-meows-gif-14026472829431534147

[vital hound]

@lofty depot i fucking called it

[shy void]

good direction for balance druid

[vital hound]

day late but still good

[silk harbor]

word

[cloud plover]

I'll still try to sneak it in tho

hehe

[lofty depot]

Leaking dm's?

[civic junco]

Prophet of Elune

[azure solar]

any number crunchers in the chat .....what we looking at

[wind ridge]

[cloud plover]

more than... hmm.. 3

[vital hound]

[ripe slate]

please cheer on gamz to kill kyveza so he works on sims

[lofty depot]

EC like 5.1 keeper 5.4, bet

[meager storm]

i could work on sims

[foggy sun]

Does this mean we are going to want to go grove again for single target?

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-moonkin-wow-world-of-warcraft-goosy-gif-926362862248136452

[vital hound]

he'll be waiting on gas anyway

[ripe slate]

no way those changes brought ec to 5.1 from 5.3 with a 8% aura

[balmy light]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[lofty depot]

Ik 😭

[meager storm]

prob both will be at 5.5 now

[ripe slate]

[lofty depot]

But I can imagine

[dense steeple]

which im okay with

cause then it allows choice

[meager storm]

ye

[dense steeple]

which is the thingblizzard keeps saying they want

[ashen chasm]

where is tettles

[dapper wing]

I'd love for it to just remain Kotg in raid, ec in m+

Just feels good to me specifically

[wind ridge]

EC

[candid dragon]

[cloud plover]

🙏🏻 please remain viable

[drifting plank]

i hate keeper

i will rebel against it

[stoic seal]

ideally it would be both viable in both content areas

[viral cliff]

I hate EC will rebel

[drifting plank]

no dont say that

[lofty depot]

Down with the ec

Down with m+ers

[proven grove]

where can i find updated talent builds

[viral cliff]

Too late. Down with EC. Give me my mediocre KOTG buff so I can huff and tell myself its okay

[lofty depot]

Well things are gonna change again

So u'll have to wait

[proven grove]

ahh okay

[viral cliff]

But real talk wheres the midnight Sims.

[lapis pelican]

the patch of 13 august is a nerf for equi ?

[stone ledge]

Z- tier tettles got the dev build

[balmy light]

buff is not strong enough

i think

unluko

[viral cliff]

Buff seems marginal would need to sim. Marginal is also putting it politely

[tame dome]

8% seems big

[stone ledge]

It’s a thorloser season

[normal pilot]

not when you're 8% below

[static cape]

8% of 0 is 0

[sturdy prism]

its 8% plus whatever the tier is

[subtle hare]

Are you guys saying I can play balance instead of feral?

[tame dome]

xactly

[viral cliff]

No sorry, check back for midnight sims

[cloud plover]

down with the kotgs

(also down with m+ers)

[lilac citrus]

ec set quite a big aoe nerf no ?

[shy void]

ha ha have u guys ever heard this one not me

[meager storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170884158583746602/1384372021928136714/7320831648431688416.gif

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/buh-cat-buhflip-7tv-cat-doing-a-backflip-gif-14923381660730932071

[ripe slate]

[static cape]

heh heh heh

[shy void]

hee hee

[cloud plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101229691626590332/1402082316322476255/brandbird_1.gif

[errant flint]

Someone TLDR todays changes for me please? https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-for-manaforge-omega-and-mythic-release-378074

[cloud plover]

tldr buff

enjoy

[silk harbor]

omg buffs are we amazing now?

[winter tapir]

more damage

[lofty depot]

Wow thanks for posting that

[errant flint]

What they mean? Still EC?

[lofty depot]

Doubt

[ashen chasm]

yo wheres EC?

[lofty depot]

If they're even in st, u wouldn't play ec

[viral cliff]

Kotg stonks

[golden belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[cloud plover]

pleas. pleaseee. Just let a tiny shred of hope remain.

[proper sun]

anyone know the rough M+ total increase (including the EC tier nerf)?

[errant flint]

Noted ty

[digital berry]

Do we have a number for sims with the new changes

[true viper]

Yea 5 billion

[ashen chasm]

( . )( . )

[viral cliff]

1100% not at all referencing the blue post with the 1100% buff

[proper sun]

how many of us idiots have to complain before the nerds do the math for us

[true viper]

Us?

[night gulch]

5.4ish is what i got after doing some really shitty math

[cloud plover]

all of them, they're not coming until anther idiot kills kyveza

[odd thunder]

Think it’s between 15-20% nerf, blizzard really need to make up for this with big buffs

[meager storm]

well servers went down

[lofty depot]

Random number 5% nerf on 20% of ur damage is -1% overall. Then 8% buff. So 7% buff wooo (these are fake numbys)

[errant flint]

My math is waiting on others to math me tuesday.

Until then

[proper sun]

perfect, ty

[dry compass]

WE'RE SO BACK

to not-quite-the-worst

[errant flint]

Napkin math kek

[topaz quest]

does this mean i dont need to play feral now? :)

or is feral still better

[dry compass]

tettles doesnt do math we need to wait for Gamz to be free

[errant flint]

Dont worry they know boomys are bottoms and want us to suffer this week with worry. Im not but yea.

[dry compass]

https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz hes running the sims rn

[errant flint]

Hell yea

[snow elm]

Hopefully boomie gets a third round of 8% buff then we can finally be at the median

[earnest cairn]

tru dw boomy will be back again like alway kek

[tranquil brook]

i would say prob more buffs but we are not bottom barrel anymore at least in raid, m+ would prob offset tier w the overall damage increase right?

[torpid jetty]

boomkin players remind me of israel

[mighty mica]

?

[digital berry]

What

[karmic root]

how do we change fibers on raidbots?

[merry crow]

i wish

[potent cargo]

what u mean by that cuz @torpid jetty

[calm ibex]

what a weird thing to say

[digital berry]

There’s a section like any enchant or gem

[lucid olive]

idk am i

[pulsar goblet]

Try to stfu maybe ?

[calm ibex]

i hope 😄

[karmic root]

i dont see it, idk why

[digital berry]

Should be toward the bottom if you press show all

[magic glen]

on the gems box.

[karmic root]

I've looked at gem box, enchant box, reloaded site, weird.

[rich geyser]

down with raiders
down with keeper

[dry compass]

well you sure aren't killing kyveza so

[supple widget]

LMFAO

[normal pilot]

Upcoming class set tuning, single target

EC: +2.7%
KOTG: +13.2%

KOTG is 2.5% ahead of EC

You can sim upcoming changes by adding ptr=1 to the top of your SimC input or Expert Mode Header section in Raidbots.

[true viper]

Wowie

[dry compass]

oh good so EC sims highest but keeper better in real life execution

[normal pilot]

<@&114146878353833984> pin plz

[normal pilot]

idk are you a top 1% player

[dry compass]

no

kekw

[meager storm]

well

[carmine vigil]

every single person in here is a top 1% player right guys

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/om-ome-flight-flightreacts-ome3-gif-11351943889690488996

[dapper wing]

True 100%

[rich geyser]

top 1% spectrum

[ionic oak]

Welp.

[dry compass]

im top 1% in something but it's not anything on WCL

[pearl viper]

2.7 wowzies

[merry crow]

tier set was strong

[lofty depot]

So r u playing EC?

[pulsar goblet]

0.1

https://tenor.com/view/kappa-turkishedits-twitch-twitch-emote-emote-gif-19815447

[thorn nebula]

lmfao guys we did it btw - now that we got buffed we can release the real sims

honestly great job as a community

wasn't sure if we'd be able to keep the ruse up

[dry compass]

this guy thought we were sandbagging oh no

[rich geyser]

keep sandbagging for more

[craggy sonnet]

so now we are just a 5% aura and cap increase away from being back boys

[rich geyser]

play the long game

[pulsar goblet]

Ye ❤️

[carmine vigil]

ive been playing all content with my best in slots on agility to fully commit to the sandbag 👍

[rich geyser]

if we aint S++++, we nothing

[real flax]

agree

[hidden orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-its-over-over-blade-runner2049-blade-runner-gif-24854081

[drifting plank]

i want to use starfall untill things die 🙁

[meager storm]

lets go

[quick hatch]

Yeah, but I have a bug, when 100 is showing without second zero and somehow gray

[clever vigil]

ur top .1% to me >.<

[bold pawn]

is that 8 more % in todays patch notes? or is that the original 8% from 11.2

[real flax]

another 8%

[lofty depot]

Yes

Because that 8% doesn't go live til next week

[ionic oak]

Dont give up. Theres always hope

[craggy sonnet]

@meager storm be greedy .. ask for 20x

[meager storm]

not happening

[dapper wing]

Ask for the health scaling back

[meager storm]

so u gotta be realistic

[dapper wing]

Degen bearform gaming

[eager raft]

i crunched the numbers

[lofty depot]

Ok, here take 12 and stop asking

[night gulch]

bring back health scaling, make it so its the lowest max health in the last 30 seconds ezpz

[iron chasm]

1.3% hell yeah that’s enough to never touch ec in raid 👏

[eager raft]

and we're cracked now

thanks blizzard

[craggy sonnet]

would we have been better off if they left it at 2% and uncapped?

[sick terrace]

are we still shit now ?

[lofty depot]

Define shit

[carmine vigil]

W profile picture

[craggy sonnet]

you gotta leave some room for haggling

[meager storm]

they clearly dont want that

[sick terrace]

shitty single and EC still a head

[craggy sonnet]

ask for 20 get 15

[tacit oriole]

Man hitting that convoke towards the end of a good ravenous frenzy ramp was a nut 🥜

[normal pilot]

it's only a 3% buff so still bad

[craggy sonnet]

ask for 15 get 12

[normal pilot]

but at least you can play kotg now

[lofty depot]

Define shitty

U cant use shitty to describe shit

[sick terrace]

like 20% bottom spec

[lofty depot]

Yes

[sick terrace]

ok thanks

[torpid jetty]

well well well

[craggy sonnet]

gamz cooking

[lofty depot]

But as he said, now u can choose to be green shitty instead of purple shitty

[craggy sonnet]

big numbies

[sick terrace]

that's a good point indeed

[sour gale]

Is ec still meta with class tuning?

[craggy sonnet]

not realistically on ST

[lofty depot]

If it's only 1% ahead I doubt u would like it

[craggy sonnet]

no shot

[modest orchid]

Guys we may not be good but we dont need to play ec

W

[real flax]

hows purple shit looking in m+ now

[sour gale]

I like ec more than keeper

[fiery veldt]

so for the mentally challenged what did this buff do for us in simple terms?

[sour gale]

Guess I'm demented.

[lofty depot]

Got 3% better

[normal pilot]

you can play either hero tree you like

[lofty depot]

(fake number idk)

[eager raft]

worst spec to bottom 3 spec

[normal pilot]

they'll both be poor but at least you can play both

[modest orchid]

Mods????

[fiery veldt]

so all the buffs did was make it so we have 2 options to play got it ty everyone

[lofty depot]

At least u know

First is acceptance

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[fiery bough]

Alright are we back or still cooked and go

[dry compass]

we're eating at the kids table instead of in the backyard

[meager storm]

well we are not the worst now

so we are semi back

[real flax]

bring back stellar drift and we ok

[lofty depot]

Be glad we got notes

[sly crescent]

it was us and enhancement dead last with KOTG, now it's a tad better lol

[merry crow]

depends on fights too. kotg is so bursty and we do super low damage outside of the few burst windows

[lofty depot]

The last few had none an gastank had to go searching

[meager storm]

arms is not last

now*

[tiny wagon]

can anyone post the sims?

[modest orchid]

Yo dak how bad are we give it to me

[lofty depot]

Gamz cooking hold on

[meager storm]

both sim within 5.5-5.6

[craggy sonnet]

too bad they have another spec thats kinda pretty good

[lofty depot]

(he might still be dying to kyveza idk)

[karmic tangle]

https://www.twitch.tv/itsgamz if you want sims

[tiny wagon]

word

[modest orchid]

Are we bench?

[stoic seal]

whos going to tell him that you cant even use the rewards from kyveza until next tuesday

[meager storm]

well the thing is

the challenge

anyone can 1 shot kyveza with max gear

[lofty depot]

Anyone?

Bet kekkers cant

[crisp scaffold]

EU servers still down ?

[merry ibex]

So did ec in mplus get crushed? That tier got savaged but there is the 8% buff

[craggy sonnet]

no

[sly crescent]

EC wasnt a crazy nerf but I guess we'll see next week!

[craggy sonnet]

ec tier was too good

but should easily be compensated for

by the aura

[stoic seal]

i know im just salty that i did it and got f all for it

[fiery veldt]

did they say how long till dreamgrove is updated?

[heavy iris]

still not going to get pulled into week 1 hard mode groups, need 8% more

[dry compass]

presented for your amusement

[meager storm]

its an overall buff for m+

[real flax]

so how is looking EC tier for aoe now

[meager storm]

if its an increase on st

[sly crescent]

SV is the top hunter spec for pure ST isnt it? lol

[meager storm]

yes

[craggy sonnet]

hello, its looking

[dry compass]

yeha half the specs this guy says need buffs are the top tier specs lmao

[meager storm]

its bait

[stoic seal]

isnt demo really good?

[sly crescent]

He's a MASTER baiter

[meager storm]

destro and demo simming for 6.5 and 6.4

[real flax]

lmfao

[craggy sonnet]

pretty sure that guy was talking about m+ also

[sly crescent]

Yea both our locks in my guild did almost 1M more dps than every other class when we did Mythic Undermine on Wednesday lol

[delicate perch]

raiding this week

[peak grotto]

someone was saying warlock is simming a few hundred k higher than it's supposed to

[normal pilot]

there's prolly a bunch of bugs in warlock module ya

[meager storm]

we will see next week

[dreamy cove]

are there any new buffs to track?

[meager storm]

what track

[lofty depot]

Dryad buff

[vital hound]

Sune pack has it

[late sapphire]

cant believe they didnt extend the duration of elunes chosen tier set, so useless in m+ smhhhh

[merry ibex]

So are we better, the same, or worse than we were before keeper got shot in the head a week ago with the tier redesign?

[vital hound]

Read pin

[merry ibex]

Worse then, didnt we get nerfed like 15% with that last pass

[craggy sonnet]

yes

worse

still

[blissful thorn]

how much was sim ?

5.3kk?

[quick snow]

i believe i saw 5,5 for both kotg and ec in gamz' stream

[meager storm]

yes

[red nymph]

have i gone crazy or is Fungal folly completely different than 24 hours ago

[lucid olive]

yes the stories change

[loud kettle]

they change every day

[red nymph]

they dont need to do that. people arent doing these for the stories..

[loud kettle]

there are 4 versions they cycle through

[nova ocean]

Moonkins: we need emergency buffs
Blizzard:

[loud kettle]

maybe 5 now idk

[meager storm]

i think it varies per delve

[covert coyote]

are we back or front

[lofty depot]

Uhh like 17th

[woven flint]

barely above augs

[gentle scroll]

wait EC is still better lmao

[rocky ridge]

Pinned is ST only, what about AoE? surely nerf

[meager storm]

if its a buff on st its most likely a buff on aoe

[stone ledge]

now all we need is a resto nerf and we are so back in the meta m+ comp

[meager storm]

m+ers

[drifting plank]

M+ is the greatest invention since latinas, brother

[rocky ridge]

Or just even bigger buffs

[nova ocean]

Resto is like the same aren't they just fixed bugg and compensation buffed them

[craggy sonnet]

bug was pretty huge

still good though

[meager storm]

ended up as a small nerf after the buffs

still best druid i think

[stone ledge]

isnt it like a 1.2% buff?

[craggy sonnet]

what is

[stone ledge]

ec

[lofty depot]

They said resto dawg

[stone ledge]

oh

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

Keep up

[stone ledge]

i didnt see that part

I TABBED OUT FOR 2S

[meager storm]

also

[lofty depot]

Yea lock the fuck in bud

[meager storm]

i said STILL best druid

[craggy sonnet]

your fault, bro

[meager storm]

we were not best druid

[stone ledge]

mb go next

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/om-ome-flight-flightreacts-ome3-gif-11351943889690488996

[lofty depot]

Resto kekkers was talking, u gotta know

[stone ledge]

./pull 10

[craggy sonnet]

real

[halcyon tangle]

anyone got a copy paste to best mythic + talents?

[lofty depot]

EC same as live

[meager storm]

yeah literally copy paste live ec talents

[covert coyote]

im gonna need a build that has the words "11.2" on it

[gentle trench]

so....the bands all back together. vdh, disc, boom, dk, mage? as god intended?

[meager storm]

[stone ledge]

different flavor of dk but yes

[lyric lichen]

assa is still very overtuned in AoE atm

[lofty depot]

different flavor of druid and priest too

[stone ledge]

shhh

love sosa goes crazy

[arctic edge]

Whats the overal increase?

[lofty depot]

read pin

[arctic edge]

it says class set

[lofty depot]

...

the word set in there doesnt mean what u think it does

[timber grove]

I mean without new tier I guess it would just be 8% but thats a silly question

[manic monolith]

That was a banger

Why did it get deleted

[lofty depot]

BIG

alsoooooooooo

[manic monolith]

It was arctic I know it

[lofty depot]

?

[arctic edge]

so, with the set tunning and flat 8%, we are only 2.7% ST in EC?

[lofty depot]

yea ec got a 2.7% inc

keeper kinda weird tho prob

[arctic edge]

so are we back?

[lofty depot]

u can play keeper in raid yes

[atomic sand]

is boomie still this bad ?

[stone ledge]

you might make it off the bench for 1 fight

[nova ocean]

Soul hunter is the only fight I expect to maybe be in on

Wf guilds probably just run 5 locks

[maiden pasture]

EC only 1% ahead of kotg, we are keeper gaming

[honest flame]

they need to change the timer for keeper's tier set

[dense gust]

Are druids poggers now

[late sapphire]

ec needs tier duration to be way more than 20 sec its so troll in keys

[timber grove]

kids table insted of out back

[honest flame]

they need to change the 10sec timer in tier set to something less and buff that 3% so we can have those 2 starsurges inside the tree window

keeper is so weird right now

[craggy sonnet]

say what again?

[honest flame]

so many diffrent timers

there is 10sec time in tier set after that you will have 2 OP starsurge am i right ?

[craggy sonnet]

oh i c what you are saying

[honest flame]

but the trees are 8 sec

you wont have it in trees window

[maiden pasture]

heres a wild thought

delay the trees

[craggy sonnet]

trees are 10

[lofty depot]

u get 16% inc pre raid

were ballin

[meager storm]

imagine

[maiden pasture]

we are gonna CRANK in splits

and then

[craggy sonnet]

im not a super fan of delaying trees either

[maiden pasture]

get nerfed

LOL

[meager storm]

they see us cranking next week when people have no tier set

and we get nerfed

[honest flame]

but you will do less damage in that 10sec window if you delay tree i dont know

[meager storm]

yeah

[maiden pasture]

[meager storm]

[timber grove]

yuuuup lmao

[craggy sonnet]

but its a change in gameplay, so thats something

[lofty depot]

we already do it in tree window

[lucid olive]

CA-Surge-Surge-Trees-Convoke-Surge/Wrath until Dryad despawns-CA-Surge-Surge-Build AP till Dryad despawns-Surge-Surge

[meager storm]

yeppers

[honest flame]

you wont use that 2 surge in tree window if you dont delay tree

[meager storm]

read what gamz said

u delay them 2 globals after u pop ca

[lofty depot]

so delay it bud

[honest flame]

and you gonna pop CA right after that ?

[lofty depot]

(its a damage increase to delay ur trees usage)

no

u press ca, send 2, and then press tres

[craggy sonnet]

isa that currently the play even after first 2 charges?

like are we holding for 2 charges always or just pull

[true viper]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6VAGdsmxAN1RvdWYpy4voy

[craggy sonnet]

current apl

[honest flame]

thats works

[lofty depot]

lock in noob

[true viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/833499016351842355/1199109083492515950/gummy.gif

[lofty depot]

oh shit lock in

IM GAINING ON THE LOCKS

[timber grove]

stocks up

[meager storm]

send sim

[honest flame]

can you send me the full link ?

[meager storm]

let me check it

[lofty depot]

NO

not yet

[meager storm]

[honest flame]

ait 😄

[meager storm]

i will tickle u

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/21jump-street-sassy-sass-channing-tatum-jonah-hill-gif-11019263954689978557

[delicate perch]

[loud kettle]

dang

[quick snow]

is it with moons?

[loud kettle]

basically tied with demo

[honest flame]

so you gonna do 2 surge

you wont go for 3stack of haste ?

[delicate perch]

Yea haste convoke

[lofty depot]

?

[delicate perch]

[lofty depot]

u dont need haste where were going

theres the sequence after

[delicate perch]

Get in loser we’re going convoking

[sudden pawn]

to hell...

[delicate perch]

To the bench

[honest flame]

CA at 12 ?

[delicate perch]

Bruh

[lofty depot]

/rolls d20

fuck

[loud kettle]

that is the 2nd CA

[honest flame]

i know

[loud kettle]

yea

[lofty depot]

yes so u can 2nd ca and get the buff for dryad and trees on it

big dam

[lucid olive]

yeah you CA when the Dryad despawns to insta spend the 4PC with fully stacked BOAT

Then at 2m you send a single CA in the same type of sequence without the second one

[lofty depot]

(and trees)

[lucid olive]

And at 4m you send double again

You press Trees 2 globals into your Dryad window to make sure you have 2 globals after the Dryad despawns to spend the 4pc

[lofty depot]

whats the funny line for "always sim 5"

[lucid olive]

Also, this is only like 0.2% better than just playing normal on a sim

[lofty depot]

instead of getting 4m stupid sequence

[lucid olive]

so idk

might be worse on longer timers

[lucid olive]

vary_combat_length=0

[lofty depot]

ty

[sick fossil]

We are so back in business

[signal temple]

[viral cliff]

instructions uncleared CA at 10 and fell flat on my face

[warped plover]

how much buff did we got tonight?

[timber grove]

pins

[lofty depot]

LOCK THE FUCK IN

[timber grove]

inc nerf

[loud kettle]

demo locks in danger

[warped plover]

omg

[lofty depot]

its cuz of that 4m ca

[honest flame]

haha we need 20% buff to make demo locks in danger

[lofty depot]

only 10%

[honest flame]

arent they in 6400 ? something like that

[pulsar goblet]

What talent u run ?

[lofty depot]

but they got funny bugs and 30s funny demon shit

[pulsar goblet]

For this sim I mean*

[lofty depot]

idk if they take that out

[lofty depot]

gonna gatekeep for a second cuz im cooking

[pulsar goblet]

Ok

[lofty depot]

btw im slamming that love sosa insta right now

were locked in

[manic monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-gif-15902648883066481487

[mossy plinth]

so how is boomy in m+ u guys think? s+?

[potent cargo]

doesnt matter

because blizz will do tuning in like 2 months time that will change everything

[craggy sonnet]

wait .. how do we send double at 4m?

[nova ocean]

I hope tettles saved his old wowhead guide lol

[lucid olive]

with hope and prayers

[craggy sonnet]

serious question idk

[lucid olive]

90s recharge talent

in keeper tree

[craggy sonnet]

oh

ohhh

did not expect that to be better, cool

[worthy pond]

I'm a low IQ individual and not sure how to sim this, will the heroic MH + trinket 2p from the raid outperform a gilded crafted wep that's higher ilevel?

[lofty depot]

hm

[lucid olive]

no

[worthy pond]

Ok cool I'll just send the sparks on a 2H if I don't get a myth vault wep by then

[meager storm]

trinket 2 set is kinda ass

there are just better options

also having to spam regrowth pre pull

[craggy sonnet]

*for boomie especially

[meager storm]

well if we are in the boomy channel

i think im talking about boomy

[craggy sonnet]

can they just fix the proc distribution of that stupid cantrip

like wth

[worthy olive]

Hey guys. What about the tuning. Is that good?

[drifting nova]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2lrdf.gif

[covert coyote]

dunno

[lofty depot]

is better yes

[stoic seal]

i might be the minority here but i feel like if you make a 2pc trinket then it should be good/bis if you have both pieces

[meager storm]

not a good one kekkers

[drifting nova]

no but it's funny

warriors are funny

druids are not

up your funny game

you lost your funny bone

[viral cliff]

how absolutely cooked of an opener can we get

[drifting nova]

you know how cat prowl

has modifiers for stealth

like it stuns for rake

that but for balance

[craggy sonnet]

whats cooked about it?

[lucid olive]

real

kekkers should be dev

[drifting nova]

my brain is overflowing with juicy ideas

[craggy sonnet]

gimme a 7 in there

[drifting nova]

not 8% here 5% there

[craggy sonnet]

just somewhere in there

[lofty depot]

well theres an 8 in there

so winning

[lucid olive]

what moonkin really needs is shadowmeld interation with stealth mods fr fr

[drifting nova]

in an alternate universe I wish shapeshifting was more involved

[lofty depot]

surely we can cook this to be worht

[drifting nova]

maybe gw2 has something like that idk

[craggy sonnet]

need allat ap, thank you

[lofty depot]

hmm flare worse

[drifting nova]

classes shouldnt have secondary system caps

[craggy sonnet]

thats some good news

[drifting nova]

rage, ap, energy

[lofty depot]

got a 7, but in the wrong palce :/

[drifting nova]

or atleast not the pitiful cap it is now

[craggy sonnet]

i take it, said anywhere after all

[lofty depot]

this is cheating tho :/

[craggy sonnet]

dont do me like that

[dreamy cove]

do I need to get oi's ptr pack for 4p tracker

[drifting nova]

4ps arent going to be enough

you know how little nutrition that is?

[lofty depot]

his is hte best pack so yes

[meager storm]

nuh uh

[lofty depot]

lol the sim just needs 10ish more seconds 😛

[ripe slate]

curious how the new 2p/2p>4p will look with all these optimizations

[lofty depot]

if this works my numby gonna be so big

[craggy sonnet]

oh you are duration cheating?

[lofty depot]

🙂

[lucid olive]

yes hes simming without timer variance

so theyre not realistic

[lofty depot]

but sir, this is bullshit

[craggy sonnet]

DAMMIT ARCTIC

[timber grove]

lmao

[craggy sonnet]

and i thought you had something good going there

[merry crow]

i mean, with how bursty the spec is it's going to come down to timings no?

[drifting nova]

balance? bursty?

what planet is this?

[merry crow]

yes?

[drifting nova]

did I hit my head?

[timber grove]

pull and 4m we go boom

[drifting nova]

oh I've not read any tiers so

[lofty depot]

IT WORKED

LOCK IN

[timber grove]

sus

[craggy sonnet]

ahaha

so thats exactly after the 4m window?

[timber grove]

dont let any of the boomkin haters copy paste that LOL

[lofty depot]

440

[craggy sonnet]

like 4:40?

[vital hound]

oof

[loud kettle]

i have it saved ready to go

[ripe slate]

[normal pilot]

that's the wrong name

all moonkins in sims are named sandbag

[devout hazel]

buffs good or buffs poo?

[vital hound]

[craggy sonnet]

tettles gotta get so many sandbagging comments if you share this

[loud kettle]

gg

[drifting nova]

whys no chicken gotten m+ title every season

just remembered

no druid infact

[earnest isle]

hi guys do you know a in depth guide updated for 11.2 prefereably a video but np if tis writen

[lofty depot]

written first

but this weekend maybe

depends if gamz is trying to kill kyveza first

[earnest isle]

ah nice hope he kill it today 🙂

[normal pilot]

there's really not enough changes for balacne for anyone to make a vid

[drifting nova]

sub in paper to read it

[normal pilot]

at least not enough to be worth moneitzing

[tribal vale]

r we back

[meager storm]

send it on feral discord, lets see what they say

[earnest isle]

😂

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/weareback-wereback-wearebackbaby-hangover-the-gif-18475016

[lucid olive]

yeah i don't have enough youtube subs to get monetization gg

[vital hound]

if those kids could read theyd be pissed

[craggy sonnet]

savage fuming already

[teal sphinx]

Dm your account

Ill sub

[earnest isle]

for the moment there is only wowhead guide up right ? written guide i meanµ

[vital hound]

yer

[lucid olive]

yes

[vital hound]

dreamgrove will be updated early next week

like gas said tho, nothing really changing

[lucid olive]

I'll update Compendium before raid release and then maybe make a video if I wake up with the motivation tomorrow

[earnest isle]

thanks guys 🙂

[dense gust]

So druid still last place single target?

[lofty depot]

NO WERE FUCKING LOCKED IN

RWF BOUND

[potent cargo]

TOP ST

TOP DEATH CHARTS

[lofty depot]

guess which number is haste.....

[timber grove]

7884

[sudden pawn]

32408

[quick snow]

4907

[lofty depot]

^^

[mighty jasper]

[normal pilot]

hm

unlucky

EC prolly has faster starfire

what are people going to do they can't move

[meager storm]

we aint touching that

we may not be locks but at least we dont play ec

[normal pilot]

but that's so little haste your casts are going to be too long

[meager storm]

[normal pilot]

you can't play like that

[meager storm]

its ok 50% of my cds are just convoke channel

insane gameplay

[lucid olive]

thats why you play soul of the forest

big AP generator

[meager storm]

true

we are so back

[digital berry]

wait the new s3 rotation is slightly different right

theres some tree holding or smth

[lofty depot]

the in cd sequence is different yes

[stuck quartz]

Does this tuning still keep EC ahead for M+?

[lofty depot]

(probably)

[meager storm]

yes most likely

[stuck quartz]

Okay good to now thanks 🙂

[digital berry]

good to later too?

[ripe slate]

what is sosa

[digital berry]

i was wondering the same

[manic tiger]

same here

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-curl-bicep-curl-dumbbells-gentildonna-gif-15385346758928222056

[civic junco]

Is there a world where KOTG plays new moon to cram full moon into dryad window?

I just woke up in a cold sweat with this vision.

[digital berry]

Brother

There’s no time

Also if anything it’d be new moon

And the second one whatever it is

We also don’t need to cram anything in the dryad window since reaching the cap is easy

[lucid olive]

yes unfortunately

but its not better than not taking it

[pulsar trout]

Unless we go back to 3 mins cds

[digital berry]

Blis no

[loud kettle]

nah you new moon half moon before cds

then slam cds

squeeze a full moon...

[digital berry]

Is that possible? Don’t we have like 10 seconds and convoke and like 6 surges to fit in that 10 seconds

[lofty depot]

when i write the apl cuz gamz wont

[zealous zenith]

I have questions bcus my discord is lagging there’s been so many messages it’s hard to scroll through LOL.

Everyone talking about ST - how’s the AOE? Will we be back to trees for m+ content?

[civic junco]

I’m thrashing in my blankets rn

[lucid olive]

back to trees?

[civic junco]

Call an exorcist

[lucid olive]

we never played trees in m+ really

[digital berry]

Ec was buffed

[lofty depot]

we werent ever trees

[lucid olive]

and no EC still better in m+

[lofty depot]

WHY IS BLUD OFFLINE DOING KYVEZA

TURN ON THE STREAM

[digital berry]

Let the man focus up

Lock in

Where is your kyveza kill

[lucid olive]

i'm not

i just clipped it to watch

cause i still can't fucking see which one was real on that wipe

[vital hound]

@lucid olive does damage towards buff get applied on hit or at cast

for dryad

[lucid olive]

buff is consumed on cast

if you mean the 4pc

[vital hound]

sorry contributing

was the q

[lucid olive]

no clue

[vital hound]

aka can you cast

[loud kettle]

you tell me

[vital hound]

full moon then gcd incarn

and have the full moon contribute

on hit vs at cast

[civic junco]

Oh good god he is cooking

[digital berry]

I was under the impression that basic gameplay is enough to reach cap anyway

[vital hound]

yea true

[digital berry]

No need to cook

[vital hound]

cap so beans doesnt matter

[loud kettle]

cap existing is so weird

well, cap being a number you can actually reach

[civic junco]

The cap on dryad reminds me of playing demo warlock in SL

“Can you rally so my tyrant can pump?”

[lucid olive]

Yeah it's brain damaged design having an effect like that and the cap being the needle you move to reduce and increase power

[digital berry]

So what, the new rotation has us cast trees after dumping surges before convoke ? And then making sure we have enough asp for 2 surges before eclipse ends to consume buff ?

[lucid olive]

Well yeah basically I guess

Idk if will matter a whole lot, probably gonna look more at it tomorrow

[digital berry]

What if someone prepulls and you’re at like 0 asp at start, just cast some wrath’s inside incarn before trees + convoke ?

[lucid olive]

Might be better to play your CDs like you always have but pool AP for your Dryad dying or something

[meager storm]

We may be hitting 50 mil surges now

We are so back

Actually

40

We are so back

[digital berry]

I gotta go to ptr to get familiar with the timings

[meager storm]

For amp bosses I think u do the old double ca

So u get 4 amped surges in the same trees window

[worldly plume]

So we Cooking now with the buffs ?

we back?

[digital berry]

I’ll let smarter people then me figure it out and let me know through lorrgs

We playable

[lofty depot]

precast moon to lnad in ca

ezpz

[worldly plume]

yeeeeee big W

[zealous zenith]

See whys everyone talking about trees 😭 is this just a raid thing?!

[digital berry]

Most people in here actively chatting are more interested in raid then m+

[drifting nova]

trees dont exist

[meager storm]

Keeper of the grove will most likely be what u play in raid yes

For m+ u will just send ec

It’s a buff overall

[zealous zenith]

Yeah 100%!!

[digital berry]

Since people who care about m+ will most likely just reroll to the meta comp anyway so they don’t have much spec loyalty

[lucid olive]

I think if you'd play moons you would dump them in your 2nd CA

[meager storm]

Stop talking about moons

[lucid olive]

Yes

[civic junco]

I wouldn’t mind a competitive KOTG build in M+ just for that sweet, sweet 8% DR and Forestwalk

[digital berry]

I still don’t understand the double ca Strat

How does that even work

[zealous zenith]

Dude kotg would be sick m+….

So sad

[lucid olive]

You CA when your Dryad despawns so you get max BOAT value for increased chance of your 4pc critting

Also use the 4pc to help cap your 2nd dryad

[digital berry]

Wouldn’t that make the second cas dryad not have the 24% from trees ?

[lucid olive]

Yeah that's the trade off

[digital berry]

So parsing is just going to be a roulette of whether you crit on the dryad surges I assume

[lucid olive]

But that APL is only like 0.2% better than the old one so the old one might still be better if you make some changes to pool AP for CDs and make it consume dryads favor high up

[lucid olive]

Parsing has always been a crit RNG fest but yeah

[snow elm]

if you have 1 ca charge do you cast the 2 starsurge from tier while in ca

[digital berry]

At the end of it after dryad expires

[lucid olive]

Yes you pool AP for when your Dryad dies and Surge at the last 2 seconds

[digital berry]

Inside trees and ca window

[snow elm]

if you have no ca charge and cast trees do you wait until you enter new eclipse for boat to cast the 2 starsurges?

[digital berry]

Dryad is tied to ca not trees

I know it would make sense for it to be tied to trees but we can’t ask for our class to make any sense whatsoever

[snow elm]

oh im an idiot XD

[vital hound]

thank god it isnt tbh

we already spent our life playing around the weird cd

[digital berry]

It would also be a balancing mess

[vital hound]

it at least makes sense for ca to be where our damage is