maybe the warr was focusing on doing mechanics perfectly instead of doing damage
#balance
solemn idol
I'm just gonna phone it in with one button assist tbh so I can play like a wowdev
lofty depot
maybe the warr was focusing on doing mechanics perfectly instead of doing damage
Said no warrior ever
dire osprey
okay realistically ur right
wide dawn
Wow we are using starfire in single target next season ๐
royal zenith
No
you're playing EC next season
which coincidentally means you also cast starfire in ST
normal pilot
coincidence or nefarious plot?
wide dawn
What is the different from what i said ๐
royal zenith
the plot thickens...
well if tuning allows you to play kotg you don't cast starfire in ST
upper anvil
Its a nefarious l plot
nova ocean
Don't worry we getting a buff today believe
lofty depot
Definitely not today
dire osprey
wide dawn
But look at the bright side next week i think we get 8% buff
dire osprey
why you be posting that as if you a victim
i am really not trying to play EC
not like kotg was super spectacular but EC is just
royal zenith
exotic stump
the plot thickens...
The plot chickens?
royal zenith
get out..
dire osprey
escaped....
severe hollow
I will when season starts
the pluck chickens
mint bane
thoughts?
dreamy locust
M+ tier lists by cluegi
strong bronze
The aoe hasn't changed that much so yea in that regards he isnt wrong
dreamy locust
strong bronze
Its raid counterpart and single target dmg is really bad
proper sinew
for M+ we're still good overall, everyone else mostly just got an uplift comparatively
summer kayak
for M+ we're still good overall, everyone else mostly just got an uplift compara...
define "good overall", top 5 specs in m+ ? talking about keys up to +10
wild dune
probably worse.
upper anvil
Tbh it doesn't really matter till folks hit 15 and up and which most people dont
wild dune
if your pugging it might matter
upper anvil
Ye
upper anvil
Right. Resto looking good next season
dreamy locust
If you do +10s or even up to +15's, any spec in the game is fine
craggy sonnet
you just dont get invites .. so there is that
if rdruid is meta, then you simply wont get into keys
weary urchin
for those that were bracer/cloak embells, What y'all recrafting cloak to?
hands?
lofty depot
Boots shoulder glove oh all have my embells
summer kayak
Right. Resto looking good next season
but i heard resto it's top bcz of a bug on set bonus? or it's wrong info i have?
real flax
if rdruid is meta, then you simply wont get into keys
yes, and that's the reason why people put balance in low tier or not meta, why the fuck you need a boomkin if u have a resto
lofty depot
but i heard resto it's top bcz of a bug on set bonus? or it's wrong info i have?
There do be a bug
craggy sonnet
but i heard resto it's top bcz of a bug on set bonus? or it's wrong info i have?
well, kinda. but will it get fixed ever this season or just assumed to be a "feature" at some point
craggy sonnet
ye first week is gonna be pretty nice
summer kayak
yeah
scenic mist
old set + 8% aura buff
will be a good reason for blizz to nerf us again
upper anvil
but i heard resto it's top bcz of a bug on set bonus? or it's wrong info i have?
Even without the bug they're looking quite strong plus normally near the end of expac they're strong due to haste
Lots of haste
summer kayak
still confused about what to main , between boomie and hunter MM, as a casual player on keys up to +10..no raids (as i have no time for it).
summer kayak
Even without the bug they're looking quite strong plus normally near the end of ...
make sence now. got it
scenic mist
still confused about what to main , between boomie and hunter MM, as a casual pl...
a casual playing 10s should 100% go off vibes
upper anvil
Its up to what you like. Up to 10s and no raids there's not much changes you'll feel weaker or stronger on sams but it doesn't really matter
summer kayak
Its up to what you like. Up to 10s and no raids there's not much changes you'll ...
i thought so also about this
upper anvil
If like boomie play boomie. It only matters in higher keys and like pushing for CE and world first early
craggy sonnet
the issue is that thats just not really true
while technically it is fine to play whatever, you will just spend way more time waiting to actually get to play the game
scenic mist
between mm and balance, blud if fucked anywaay
craggy sonnet
unless you are applying to keys where you are above the curve in either rating or gear
summer kayak
while technically it is fine to play whatever, you will just spend way more time...
you mean when you pug?
upper anvil
Well that is true for most part. Its not the end of all. You can run own key. Play with friends. But even then the wait isnt that bad
real flax
i'll stay balance cuz i know at some point it will get better
upper anvil
I have guildies that eas able to do fury war to 3k fine
craggy sonnet
mm is prolly gonna be more appreciated in lower keys tbh
upper anvil
Have a MM hunter push 3666 this season pugging fine
As long yoy have fun. Know how to play and isnt bread dead you're fine
summer kayak
mm is prolly gonna be more appreciated in lower keys tbh
i think so, as the blast dps in low keys will be a good point..hmm
upper anvil
Brain*
summer kayak
As long yoy have fun. Know how to play and isnt bread dead you're fine
i know how to play them both well, doing for years, but yeah...it's always that question before any next seasons or expansion
tnx for info guys, appreciate
round field
thats cause there are none in queue
quiet drift
lofty depot
True, because ur main character
royal zenith
max
's tier list
so good, it needed revisiting
don't you hate it when you press enter too fast
lofty depot
don't you hate it when you press enter too fast
Such good content, do it a 2nd time
digital berry
The aoe hasn't changed that much so yea in that regards he isnt wrong
??
we are losing s2 tier set for s3 tier set
one of them is better
fossil crypt
Its pure cope to put us A tier
digital berry
mid b is where it makes sense to put us in
dry compass
Boomkin gonna be fine damage wise in M+ it's just gonna suck balls to play
digital berry
and raid we're off the charts
dry compass
All your dam from Starfire
Wet noodle starfalls and puffball tier set procs
But hey prio dam will be pretty good
Too bad you have zero chance of being taken over arcane for that role
fossil hemlock
Too bad you have zero chance of being taken over arcane for that role
Watch them buff lunar calling again and do nothing else
lucid olive
Buff Starfall
jaunty blaze
delete the whole ec talent tree
lucid olive
This is from a 15yd 2 target spread AOE fight
The Starfire only hits 1 target in that sim and is still double the damage of Starfall hitting both
solemn idol
That's hilarious and sad
jaunty blaze
nice spender
pallid bay
This is from a 15yd 2 target spread AOE fight
nerf starfire
lucid olive
My least favorite teen titan
dry compass
Spitball take: could they buff Starfall by buffing mastery?
drifting nova
by changing mastery
to being less dog
I swear all the insert BAD spec has terribly dog mastery
dry compass
They're clearly afraid of making starfall too strong with target scaling, bringing power back to starfall by buffing mastery puts a limitation on that scaling by gating it behind those dot application gcds
drifting nova
target scaling? when it rolls over to melee?
dry compass
Bad for ramp up sure, but gives a lot of power back to starfall without big impacts to single target dam
drifting nova
cant believe shadowlands was the glory day of chicken
dry compass
target scaling? when it rolls over to melee?
drifting nova
plucky valley
drifting nova
I dont even know what our mastery even does nowadays tbh
heh, and I thought arms' mastery was bad holy
atleast thats passive
lofty depot
"our"
lofty depot
:listening:
lofty depot
I will be playing boomkin (unless it doesn't get buffed)
drifting nova
english pls
lofty depot
Frost mage is basically boomkin
Actually it's more rogue/feral ๐
With cast times
digital berry
I will be playing boomkin (unless it doesn't get buffed)
well it wont get buffed within the first couple of weeks so youll be playing both?
craggy sonnet
what makes you sure of that
royal zenith
you just dont want it too get buffed
smh
it's either now or after RWF
that's the windows you got
digital berry
well if they aura buff us then no, i dont want that, i'll be ascending and primordial waving
craggy sonnet
they have made changes to underperforming specs even during rwf, no?
digital berry
i mean rwf barely lasts 2 weeks nowadays no
exotic stump
they have made changes to underperforming specs even during rwf, no?
No?
exotic stump
i mean rwf barely lasts 2 weeks nowadays no
That's when a lot of us get their raid character geared
digital berry
i think i'll start raiding on my balance and just transition to elly after rwf if things look grim
royal zenith
no savingz
digital berry
wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemy
royal zenith
pure despair
dire osprey
This is from a 15yd 2 target spread AOE fight
now thats depressing
lofty depot
well it wont get buffed within the first couple of weeks so youll be playing bot...
I play both regardless cuz our 1 mage likes to take vacation during prog
lucid olive
now thats depressing
I ran that sim because a guildie said he thinks you will stack moonkins on Forgeweaver cause it's sporadic 2 target spread fight
and I had to see how useless Starfall actually is
craggy sonnet
will you tho? ๐
exotic stump
I ran that sim because a guildie said he thinks you will stack moonkins on Forge...
But like seriously if that isn't our niche what is
lucid olive
we don't have one
jaunty blaze
destro does it better than we ever could
exotic stump
10 targets all spready across 40y? Aka Stix?
royal zenith
you can ask the same question with ele shamans
lofty depot
But like seriously if that isn't our niche what is
Jack of all trades, master of none
royal zenith
they hide behind the "it's their niche"
lucid olive
yeah something like Stix
exotic stump
Jack of all trades, master of none
Jack of what
lofty depot
....
exotic stump
11.2 is gonna be us jacking off from the bench
royal zenith
(not the full quote btw)
(Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one.)
lofty depot
Who?
royal zenith
( )
lucid olive
but if you play EC your niche is stacked AoE on a lot of targets that are alive for a while
and that doesn't happen in raid
fossil hemlock
(Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one....
Knew I could rely on you
dry compass
destro does it better than we ever could
Destro is legit gonna dominate forgeweaver
Destro and spriest on top
lucid olive
I played EC on that boss in the first day of testing
jaunty blaze
pretty much same as cauldron now
lucid olive
horror show
jaunty blaze
no way to compete with destro
dry compass
I had someone tell me that soulbinder was a boomie fight, I had to do a double take
royal zenith
only if you play fodder that's heavily spread out and stationairy for some time
calm ibex
and that doesn't happen in raid
Council in sepulcher
royal zenith
is good for starfall
calm ibex
4-5 targets stacked
lucid olive
yeah the one-off council fights
lofty depot
Most people that say "it's a boomie fight", don't play boomie
calm ibex
Would be fucking juicy with EC
dry compass
only if you play fodder that's heavily spread out and stationairy for some time
Throwback to waiters on nathria council
Those were the days
calm ibex
Yeah
royal zenith
I'd rather have like a cap on 2 or 3 moonfires and the mobs that are moonfired get prio damage if starfall is up
as an example
starfall is so
ugh
lucid olive
I'd rather have like a cap on 2 or 3 moonfires and the mobs that are moonfired g...
I think that's kinda what Waning Twilight was meant to be
but then it got watered down going through the developers..
dry compass
That's a neat thought
Delete lunar calling, make a new talent that lets you focus starfall into prio targets
round field
but then it got watered down going through the developers..
goes through like a warm summer breeze from one ear in and out theother
cause theres no brain to stop the airflow
strong bronze
After buffing lunar calling for god knows how many times , i doubt they will remove it
solemn idol
They're fans of sunk-cost fallacies
royal zenith
that's factual
lucid olive
reminder that lunar calling started on 40% increased damage
dry compass
I feel like I'm the Simpsons guy tapping the sign
dry compass
Fuckin said in beta they were gonna buff it until it was the go-to and it would suck to play
And here we are
strong bronze
4 times stronger than its first itterarion
round field
lunar calling is such a yuck talent
lucid olive
like they just completely scrapped the other part of the tree that would play around Lunar Amplification and enter Solar
but that build would also just never work because of Lunation
Umbral Embrace procced Wraths also don't contribute to Lunation despite being Astral
dry compass
Almost feels like lunation should be on the choice node with calling
Which is a bit nonsensical but at least stops that interaction with one making the other mandatory
strong bronze
Both in a sense are designed to "compliment" each other
round field
stop typing
royal zenith
well, most of the these talents are just a product of the system (talent trees)
lofty depot
Smolder being rng and not Crit related was a mistake
lucid olive
real
round field
back in the day people were burned at the stake for saying such things
fast finch
Just to confirm, for raid we are playing Elune's Chosen, this means we spamming Starfire? ( I know things can change during the week or tomorrow/after RWF, etc)
royal zenith
yes
round field
its just rly poor design
lofty depot
Yes
lucid olive
Nobody really knows what you'll play for raid yet
round field
its just layers and layers of rng procs which dont impact your gameplay
and passives
cloud plover
Just to confirm, for raid we are playing Elune's Chosen, this means we spamming ...
YIPEEEEE
strong bronze
I mean just play 1 button rotation should be fine
royal zenith
to be fair, I'm really curious how boomie will actually be in raid
royal zenith
stop being dramatic
round field
stfu dunce
royal zenith
๐
round field
go play ur stupid little evoker
royal zenith
that's option B
lofty depot
More like ur gonna get committed.... To the asylum
crystal mortar
If I'm in CA and a tank pulls an extra pack during it, is it better to dot the new pack or to finish the CA?
royal zenith
what's your reasoning behind not dotting them?
crystal mortar
That I've finished dotting the current mobs and I've entered celestial alignment
Sorry as in, we're currently fighting packs or whatever and th tank adds onto the fight
crystal mortar
Right
royal zenith
typically you want to have dots up on all mobs, but kinda depends on how long you have left on CA, what type of mobs, etc.
surely @lofty depot can give you an educated answer
๐
cloud plover
im so hyped to starfire man
based based based
this is gonna be such a chill split char
lucid olive
i prefer raven
hollow mist
:)
lofty depot
surely <@121360917907767296> can give you an educated answer
Depends on time in the fight. Generally speaking ur dotting for 10 seconds or something then hitting CDs. If he pulls another back after ur "settled" he trolled. Kinda sucks but assuming their not just shitter mobs u should likely dot them...
Know that u lost damage because of ur tank tho.
crystal mortar
right on thanks
dry compass
bring back flare
Pls no
lofty depot
Flare was when we were good
dry compass
We've been blessedly free of flare since what, council of dreams?
dry compass
If flare makes a comeback I want it to be an AsP spender super-dot like oldschool UA
lucid olive
Flare is fine if you make it actually do shit
dry compass
We haven't been blessed
You can be blessed in one small corner of your cursed existence
dry compass
Well yeah but the dot clone with a cast time that isn't even stronger than moonfire/Sunfire and has the worst qualities of both is zzzzz
lucid olive
make it contribute to something that's not just Waning Twilight
actually just remove Waning Twilight
that talent sucks
you're permanently balanced and tuned around having Waning and it's in a dogshit spot in the tree for no reason
and it limits the power you can put into spells like Flare and Wild Mushroom
lofty depot
The value of our talents and their locations is pretty derpy
Just threw that shit on the board at lunch and said fuck it
crystal mortar
My guild decided to bench my boomy for their mythic prog D:
distant oasis
Rip
lucid olive
thats a bit early to make that decision isnt it unless you have another person to play it
royal zenith
that's very silly yeah
strong bronze
I mean you could make flare devouring plague esque
crystal mortar
I agree. I'm raising an spriest for now just in case
covert coyote
yea its probably not the class they benched
royal zenith
what rank are we talking about
dry compass
Probably 200-400
crystal mortar
Thanks Barial, but I do fine
dry compass
US*
dry compass
Sorry as you know us NA folks don't pay attention to world rank
The only one that matters is 1 and once we have that its back to US rank
jaunty blaze
nova ocean
This is wat we call a low IQ individual
crystal mortar
Oh I dunno. Low prolly
dry compass
Cause that matters more to the decision than your personal performance
royal zenith
yeah this is more about your raidleader
deciding based off of tierlists
zero actual progression
not having done heroic
dry compass
Mid-low CE guilds are notorious for making bad decisions like that with incomplete information
crystal mortar
Oh my guild isn't CE
royal zenith
that's even crazier
dry compass
Okay well that makes it dumber lmao
royal zenith
dry compass
Any class can clear heroic just fine
Tuning will literally never be the reason you're not killing bosses
jaunty blaze
any class can get CE aswell
crystal mortar
Well they wanna do CE next season
dry compass
Have they done any mythic before?
crystal mortar
Yeah they have
jaunty blaze
boomie will for sure be fine by the time you get to the later bosses
crystal mortar
our mythic prog
dry compass
Find a new guild tbh
Find one that was 5-6M
If you didn't kill Stix or sprocket despite all the power creep in undermine, I don't think they're getting CE next tier
And if they're benching you in the process, yikes.
crystal mortar
I'll consider your advice, thank you
desert verge
Well they wanna do CE next season
I've seem this movie so many times... Sorry but usually that's the point when they notice they're not good as they think they're and boom, no more core.
royal zenith
also a necessary evil though
can tell them a million times, they won't listen either way
desert verge
Usually that's the infinite loop of raids lol
dry compass
I've seem this movie so many times... Sorry but usually that's the point when th...
My favourite bit is guilds messaging me saying we were 4/5M last tier and shooting for CE next tier
And Im like... The recruitment profile says HoF-level raiding mate
I have 12 CEs, I'm not interested in being Atlas
desert verge
"we sure are doing that, we decided to copy the strats* from rwf and learn from their vods" ๐คฃ
lucid olive
I've seem this movie so many times... Sorry but usually that's the point when th...
this is so real
my first guild died like that
we did 1 raid on Soulrender in SoD and went to shit
after getting CE on Denathrius the week before 9.1 launched
royal zenith
all part of the process
lucid olive
it wasnt really the boss that killed the guild
it was just a bunch of dogshit and people burned out
dry compass
And if the cracks are showing on soulrender then GL with painsmith
desert verge
it was just a bunch of dogshit and people burned out
This, hahahah
lofty depot
Painsmith.... Bring me back
lucid olive
like we had gone super hard to get Denathrius, and most the guilds were a bunch of new people or people that haven't really raided a bunch of mythic
desert verge
I was in like 3 cores like that
serene jacinth
korthia dailies W
desert verge
After being benched for the last time because I wasn't meta, I quit raid for good
dry compass
After being benched for the last time because I wasn't meta, I quit raid for goo...
I'm considering it
Fuckin hate finding a new guild
lofty depot
So true so real
lucid olive
the SoD burnout in that guild was real
desert verge
I miss Korthia, I had more fun there than in undermine, judge me
jade jacinth
Sorry for the dumb question, should i change my talents now... or do i wait for like wed?
lucid olive
but man, killing the last few bosses in Nathria was peak WoW raiding
dry compass
Sorry for the dumb question, should i change my talents now... or do i wait for ...
Wait
lucid olive
Sorry for the dumb question, should i change my talents now... or do i wait for ...
Just wait
Most new talents and shit are based on having 4pc anyway
solemn idol
SL murdered people and guilds as a baseline after CN.
jade jacinth
ok thaanks ๐
lofty depot
Sorry for the dumb question, should i change my talents now... or do i wait for ...
That's based on the new tierset
U do however get 8% buff come Tuesday
Massive stonks
dry compass
but man, killing the last few bosses in Nathria was peak WoW raiding
SLG was shit but I somehow miss it
jade jacinth
๐
lucid olive
SLG was shit but I somehow miss it
We killed SLG on the first pull we ever made it to p3
desert verge
I'm considering it
Peace of mind now, just crying on dungeons lmao
lucid olive
One of those nailbiter endings
dry compass
But council>sludge>denathrius was a real slate of bangers
serene jacinth
SLG was shit but I somehow miss it
but sludge was peak so you had that leading up to it
serene jacinth
But council>sludge>denathrius was a real slate of bangers
you already know :]
desert verge
We killed SLG on the first pull we ever made it to p3
SLG was good ๐
dry compass
The slg experience varies wildly based on when you killed it
empty girder
it wasnt really the boss that killed the guild
Usually people burn out when it take sooo long to kill bosses (due to different issues) I got CE like 2 weeks ago and had to change guild since we couldn't kill OAB and GM decided to disband lol
dry compass
If you had commandos falling through the floor still you had zero fun
lucid olive
When SLG died there was only a shadow priest alive
He kept saying after "I killed SLG all of you are noobs"
was good vibes
desert verge
Back in the day the most satisfying kill we got was the council (we got it in a few tries after not following rwf vods)
lucid olive
cant really recreate the feeling of killing mythic bosses when you're still new to the game
that novelty definitely wears off when you play longer and get higher ranks idk
my biggest pet peeve is when you're progressing like the last phase of a boss and somebody rips the "can we please kill this so i don't have to raid anymore i am so sick fo this"
desert verge
Yeah , the first one is unmatched
royal zenith
that novelty definitely wears off when you play longer and get higher ranks idk
that's a bit sussy
I still enjoy the first kill a lot
you sure you still enjoy this game 
lofty depot
you sure you still enjoy this game <:SUS:1255955773918544005>
Expert down after tier o7
lucid olive
sure
dry compass
my biggest pet peeve is when you're progressing like the last phase of a boss an...
The vibe terrorist
dry compass
Bonus points if they caused like 30 wipes earlier in the prog
lucid olive
as in i am biased and have this experience because of the guilds i've raided with since SL idk
dry compass
And now they have the easiest job in the raid for last phase
desert verge
I got old, my mental energy dries fast lol
lucid olive
i usually try my best to keep vibes up
desert verge
So I'm the one who drags me down lmao
royal zenith
yeah I dunno, you're supposed to enjoy the game you play
if people actually that dobby (without being sarcastic) that's kinda yikers
lofty depot
I try to troll myself or other people that are aren't vibe terrorists so then if we're having fun, hopefully the others are
royal zenith
you have the free will to just log out
lofty depot
Then the vibers carry the vibe, jah feel?
dry compass
I find the people who vibe terrorize on farm to be particularly cringe
Like if you don't want to be here, don't be here
My last guild would get through 5 bosses and then be like okay no one wants to clear the rest we're calling it
And it's like okay great I wasn't in for those so guess I don't get vault this week
desert verge
yeah I dunno, you're supposed to enjoy the game you play
1st rule is having fun, you've a point
Don't mind me, I'm just being silly
royal zenith
yeah but people do forget it a lot
it also puts a ton more weight on shit like rank
or wipes during prog
bad vibe
(not to be confused with the passion to just be better)
desert verge
I totally feel you
quick plank
@desert verge ah, youre already here
jaunty blaze
what da dog doin
desert verge
<@298814002136350720> ah, youre already here
Ain't a chicken druid ๐ฅฒ
I'm here for the vibes
desert verge
what da dog doin
BAER is dragging me from feral channel ๐คฃ๐คฃ
cursive mirage
@lucid olive Iโm playing FDK this tier and the DK discord scares me
Please keep me safe
digital fjord
is there any bis sim?
wild dune
lofty depot
is there any bis sim?
That's not how we sim things typically no
true viper
digital fjord
That's not how we sim things typically no
I mean in ulria sheet there is bis sim for each class but link for the balance one is broken
so idk if there is any bis sim hahaha
lofty depot
That's not true
cursive mirage
I mean in ulria sheet there is bis sim for each class but link for the balance o...
Thatโs all fake anyway
Omg Arctic is cosplaying as a mage.
lofty depot
It's not a bis sim, it's. A profile with gear on it, sent to him by someone or copied from simc GitHub
lofty depot
I sent him a funny one with energy drinker at the start of it which isn't an item u can get in the new patch
ivory musk
hey guys/gals is next season a bad time to try balance?
round field
can play whatever you want up to those ratings
scarlet tapir
https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1952420480259936513?t=glliQ18_FDsXHoYN5gut6w&...
no boomkin buffs PLEASE
round field
if you wanna try boomie sure
lofty depot
M+ but not super high, and AOTC
U'll be fine to play it
ripe slate
lofty depot
If u need help with anything u can ask questions here and read the dreamgrove.gg guide
Will be updated likely raid week for 11.2
ivory musk
ty all
drifting nova
but man, killing the last few bosses in Nathria was peak WoW raiding
I mean nathria was the best 1st raid..ever so
probably even rivals some last raids
dry compass
I am both pleased and anxious about them retconning denathrius to survive
An excellent villain but oh man if he ends up as a 'break glass to rescue shitty writing' it's going to be sad
lofty depot
An excellent villain but oh man if he ends up as a 'break glass to rescue shitty...
Stone cold glass shatter
dry compass
The original storyline had him die
dry compass
The sucked into remornia, trapped then the sword stolen was a last minute retcon
warm briar
The SL writing was so bad
dry compass
Still can't believe they tried to redeem sylvanas lmao
formal crest
@wicked shuttle can we overhaul and re do #resources it is a dead channel 
loud kettle
lofty depot
<@181597658438172682> can we overhaul and re do <#220982885581193216> it is a de...
He's doing a key
He's locked in
lofty depot
If needed, sure
urban crescent
<@298814002136350720> ah, youre already here
how did the BAER do this, he is very strong but also very thoughtful helping the stinky humans with the trash
thank you BAER
quick plank
how did the BAER do this, he is very strong but also very thoughtful helping the...
you saw how BAER did it
brittle lynx
any tips for fine ui?
lucid olive
Any specific tips you're looking for?
There's a few pre-packaged UIs out there, some are free and some are behind paywalls
Also a bunch of YouTube videos that teach you how to set up your UI how you want it
If you're just looking for a Weakuara pack for Balance then this is usually the most recommended one https://wago.io/OiBalance
scenic mist
Any specific tips you're looking for?
20%
zenith goblet
https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1952420480259936513?t=glliQ18_FDsXHoYN5gut6w&...
boomie buffs for sure 
lofty depot
boomie buffs for sure <:prayge:1264658561003163728>
I got bad news bud
jovial needle
im looking into the raid talents for s3, and I see that we are using herotalent EC now after the nerf. I dont really understand why Stellar command is used over lunar calling. How does that even work. Should i still go in solar elipse on ST?
half sierra
one of us
lofty depot
im looking into the raid talents for s3, and I see that we are using herotalent ...
Where does it say that?
tender elbow
you saw how BAER did it
ITS THE BAER NECESSITIES
quick plank
ITS THE BAER NECESSITIES
jovial needle
Where does it say that?
Oh i just looked on wowhead for the raid talents and i thought it said stellar command. I see it says lunar calling. I might be seeing things or it has been updated. My bad. i was loosing my mind sry
i could not believe my eyes when i saw that
lofty depot
It's fine, it would just need to be fixed, cuz yea ec always uses it
tender elbow
<:doms2:1028726507704688660>
The fact you still have this meme, almost a decade later ๐๐คฃ
lofty depot
Starfire be doing damage
jovial needle
hell yeah
timid oyster
Is the compendium up to date? It mentioned a video in the 11.2 section, but I saw no video.
quick plank
The fact you still have this meme, almost a decade later ๐๐คฃ
BAER gonna assume he's still on your wall
pallid bay
Is the compendium up to date? It mentioned a video in the 11.2 section, but I s...
click on this
tender elbow
BAER gonna assume he's still on your wall
Naa Jesus is retired.
I felt bad beating my meat to a picture of Jesus staring back at me. He died for our sins once. Thatโs enough
quick plank
Naa Jesus is retired.
BAER dont believe you
quick plank
I felt bad beating my meat to a picture of Jesus staring back at me. He died for...
BAER dont believe that either
tender elbow
Remind* me to send you a picture of my room later
quick plank
Remind* me to send you a picture of my room later
Why? BAER dont think you can clean up that mess anyway
timid oyster
click on this
Thanks, didn't realize it was a link.
lucid olive
click on this
this is outdated i love videos
pallid bay
rookie mistake
mint zephyr
any links to accurate sim data for single target?
royal zenith
with or without pi
lucid olive
xd
royal zenith
mint zephyr
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwaot9RqEMNzKhbNqiEbG8
thanks
quick plank
<:BigSmile:941839897097019402>
warning, is back
royal zenith
quick plank
normal pilot
hm unlucky sim using oversimming weapon
fossil hemlock
Is that double passive trinkets?
We're so back
How is that weapon oversimming, it's doing nothing on the sims 
lucid olive
hm unlucky sim using oversimming weapon
yeah its gg
lucid olive
How is that weapon oversimming, it's doing nothing on the sims <:despairge:10604...
supposed to do less
worse for balance than other specs
lofty depot
How is that weapon oversimming, it's doing nothing on the sims <:despairge:10604...
Gastank hasn't fixed it yet surely
normal pilot
// high (~90%)
case EVOKER_DEVASTATION:
case MAGE_FIRE:
case MAGE_FROST:
case SHAMAN_ELEMENTAL:
case WARLOCK_AFFLICTION:
case WARLOCK_DEMONOLOGY: damage_chance = 0.90; break;
``` these are the good specs which blizz has determined shall proc more damage from weapon // mid-low (~33%)
case DRUID_BALANCE:
case PRIEST_SHADOW: damage_chance = 0.33; break;
``` and these are the bottom feedersMid-low is definitely where boomkin be sitting
fossil hemlock
Hybrid tax hits again (except for 2 hybrids)
lofty depot
Is arcane in like 60%?
sour gale
Should we run KOTG and thens wap to EC once we replace tier im assuming?
snow elm
is there a chart somewhere of max ilvl st dps by spec?
scenic mist
Also, funny numbys lie
THEY WOULDNT
dry compass
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwaot9RqEMNzKhbNqiEbG8
now take off 10% of your starfire casts to move for mechs
calm widget
Does anyone have any tips on balance in m+? I feel like my star fall is pulling extra mobs and causing issues?
fossil hemlock
Stop that cope
calm widget
I'm an ele main, was looking to pick this up for S3.
lofty depot
Does anyone have any tips on balance in m+? I feel like my star fall is pulling...
Not likely
fossil hemlock
now take off 10% of your starfire casts to move for mechs
The difference in cast time is like 0.4 or something, if you're going to lose damage to moving for mechanics as EC, you would lose damage moving as KOTG
You can still pool AsP, you can still use WoE, you can still use FoE
lofty depot
Someone is likely butt pulling and because of that ur starfalls are rolling and ur first to get aggro off of them
dry compass
The difference in cast time is like 0.4 or something, if you're going to lose da...
yes but lunation existing makes losing those casts a bigger deal for EC than for Keeper
calm widget
Ah, i'm not in herently being blamed, but felt like i was the issue.
fossil hemlock
Then pool better
fossil hemlock
Hold WoE for moments you know you will need to move
lofty depot
thanks <@121360917907767296>
It's an old thing with Starfall, doesn't happen often. There are dungeons where like they're "fighting"
dry compass
even with perfect WoE and AsP pooling you're still not hitting patchwerk sim cast count
calm widget
never really played balance until recently. played guardian in m+ sl.
pallid bay
even with perfect WoE and AsP pooling you're still not hitting patchwerk sim cas...
this is not the gotcha you think it is
scarlet tapir
im gonna go to the hospital and ask for a 24h anestasia so they wake me up 1h before the patch releases
fossil hemlock
im gonna go to the hospital and ask for a 24h anestasia so they wake me up 1h be...
And what are you going to do for the other 23.5 hours after they tell you "no" and you go home again?
dry compass
this is not the gotcha you think it is
not over here thinking "sim dps isn't representative of in-practice dps" is some gotcha but okay
scarlet tapir
And what are you going to do for the other 23.5 hours after they tell you "no" a...
hit my head on a wall till i pass out
fossil hemlock
hit my head on a wall till i pass out
Sounds reasonable, if you're lucky you'll wake up when we get our buffs
lofty depot
Hes gonna be asleep all week?
fossil hemlock
Idk the movement argument is like saying melee should remove 400k dps because they might have to move from mechanics
lofty depot
Coma-twist
lofty depot
Idk the movement argument is like saying melee should remove 400k dps because th...
Me waiting to see them move from mechanics
dry compass
that's certainly one way to interpret it
dry compass
how many bosses have forced melee downtime vs how many bosses force movement at all?
the vast majority of forced movement bosses have negligible impact to melee uptime
fossil hemlock
Most melee's have 0 counters to forced melee downtime, you have counters to forced movement
lucid olive
laughs in ret paladin
fossil hemlock
I don't remember many off the top of my head
But go to FDK discord, they probably have a curated list
Because melee downtime Killed BoS
dry compass
so on OAB when you're getting dragged into a firebeam and you have to cancel a cast to move
fossil hemlock
Don't be in that position?
dry compass
and the melee simply move while dpsing
lucid olive
See the fire beam coming and spend AP to move?
fossil hemlock
Yeah idk
There are many legit reasons to dislike EC in the current state
The movement stuff is a very very weak argument
dry compass
its weak to say a build that relies on high cast count and uptime is going to be more negatively impacted in raid than your typical class?
calm bane
melee are just princessess in raid... if there comes a mechanic that forces downtime on melee, its because it just cannot be dealt with, IN ANY OTHER WAY, other than that. Meanwhile swirlies festival for the raid
fossil hemlock
its weak to say a build that relies on high cast count and uptime is going to be...
I said the argument is weak
dry compass
like you can scroll back two days and find gamz making the same argument if you want
pallid bay
its weak to say a build that relies on high cast count and uptime is going to be...
this is just boomkin
dry compass
its not like im making some hot take here lmao
pallid bay
arguably EC has more instant gcds than keeper
fossil hemlock
like you can scroll back two days and find gamz making the same argument if you ...
You can scroll back 5 messages and see Gamz call you dumb
(paraphrasing)
dry compass
EC is more impacted by movement than keeper, yes you get WoE to help mitigate that, no that's not going to be enough to cover all the movement scenarios
the comparison to forced melee downtime is just weird af in general because the melee players immediately complain about that every time it happens
if they're comparable, why shouldn't we be able to complain about the comparable situation?
fossil hemlock
But the comparison is appropriate, which is why I was hoping it would show you how weird it is
lucid olive
you can just spam Moonfire for Lunation
dry compass
so don't complain about X because Y also happens but the people experiencing Y complain about it?
fossil hemlock
It's fine to say we lose dps while moving because we often lose some, always have regardless of tree
dry compass
It's fine to say we lose dps while moving because we often lose some, always hav...
which is exactly what my original comment was
lucid olive
if anything the issue is more about 4pc uptime than Lunation but thats just a skill issue
fossil hemlock
But saying "yeah subtract a few hundred k because of movement" is weird
lofty depot
Mages scared about frost cast times like they don't have ice floes and blink. Imagine
dry compass
But saying "yeah subtract a few hundred k because of movement" is weird
again, how is it wierd to point out that simdps and practical dps are different things
fossil hemlock
Did you say the same thing to kotg sims?
dry compass
was there a kotg sim posted that I replied to?
fossil hemlock
Because if you didn't, then you're not pointing out the difference between sim and practical dps, you're trying to say EC is awful for movement
Which it's not
lofty depot
Did you say the same thing to kotg sims?
No because I'll pay perfectly in keeper
dry compass
seems to be an awful lot of assumptions you're making about the intent of my comment lmao
fossil hemlock
What other fucking reason would you have to say it lmao
It's a known fact that you risk losing damage from movement
That's not new
dry compass
why would I laugh about a low-simming class playing a talent build that loses more DPS from movement than your average class
and thus ends up even lower in practical dps comparisons than they do in simdps comparisons
nowhere did I say dps loss from movement was unique to boomie
dry compass
i encourage you to scroll up and read my comment
lofty depot
Evening? It's 3pm
dry compass
because you very clearly misread it and went off on some tangent
about an argument I didn't even make
lucid olive
arguably EC has more instant gcds than keeper
i'd also argue that EC gcds are little more important than Keeper because of the difference in the dmg profile
Keeper's damage is all just trees+ca+convoke+spend with instant globals then do tank dam until next time
slim iris
lofty depot
Heard venthyr did tank damage for 3 minutes and followed suit. Forgot it was god for 30 seconds every 3m then did tank damage while waiting, smh.
proven swallow
back to ask about cutting edge once again, my guild has interpreted this blue post as CE going away on patch release, is that true or is it raid release? https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/582593-season-end-and-new-content-reminders/
lucid olive
seems to be on patch release yes
they posted about it a few days ago
and used the term like "trying a new approach" or something
lofty depot
If this new approach gives me things to do week 0, could be pog
This time around is a little meh. But yippie
proven swallow
damn, we just got ce today and wanted to reclear for the rest
echo field
at what ilvl do we switch out of cyrce's circlet?
lofty depot
On patch
lucid olive
the Circlet gets nerfed going into the patch so youd replace it right away
echo field
the Circlet gets nerfed going into the patch so youd replace it right away
so should craft a ring today ya? whoot whoot
lofty depot
If u haven't already, yes
echo field
If u haven't already, yes
ty ty
also, we think trees build/tier set getting a buff or we just gonna be weird moon spec/hero talents all tier?
sullen perch
hes right
echo field
oh man, let me pass you the one boomy brain cell...i just got it, and it's too much for me;)
lofty depot
(if moons got nerfed in aberrus cuz people didn't like it.... I assume ec will or keeper get fixed)
sullen perch
i liked moons
echo field
obviously....with a name like moonyfangs...i can't really do anything other than love moons....
lofty depot
That's what Asuna said about me playing frost mage
sullen perch
m0
lofty depot
U will be doing m0s tomorrow to gear ur alts
lofty depot
Yes, but there's 6
sullen perch
yeah, but also drops champ gear, same as normal raid
past tide
Ok but how do i gear my alt
lofty depot
Log on
sullen perch
run them through?
past tide
What if i dont get drops
lofty depot
Go do delves
lucid olive
champ track
past tide
And hero track with map?
lucid olive
think they're removing maps or something? idk what they're doing with it, but remember something
pale halo
How accurafe are m+ tier lists? Feels bad to be dropped from top down to C ๐๐ค๐ฝ
past tide
Or repeteable
lofty depot
How accurafe are m+ tier lists? Feels bad to be dropped from top down to C ๐๐ค๏ฟฝ...
Tier lists aren't accurate
echo field
no bountifl delves until season starts on Aug 12
lofty depot
We however we did kinda drop a bit
past tide
Vet?
lofty depot
think they're removing maps or something? idk what they're doing with it, but re...
They said they would be week 1, huh
lofty depot
They just didn't want u to farm them week 0
past tide
So delves drop veteran
orchid ember
You'll be doing delves for the vault slot, not for whatever they drop when you do them
past tide
So thats how u gear alts
sullen perch
map would be worthless week 1 with no keys, as you can't loot the chest
lucid olive
They said they would be week 1, huh
yeah then its probably that idk
lofty depot
You'll be doing delves for the vault slot, not for whatever they drop when you d...
If he's gearing alts be might
fossil hemlock
Infinitely farmable vet gear would be decent for alts
orchid ember
Guess it depends on how geared your alts already are
past tide
With keys
orchid ember
T8 delves drop champ
With a key, no?
fossil hemlock
Website I normally use for ilvls hasn't been updated yet for s3
lofty depot
Idk it just says t8 delve on my sheet
jaunty blaze
bountiful delves with key
lofty depot
Maybe with key
jaunty blaze
otherwise no
lofty depot
Vet gear next ssn is prolly max ilvl gear from this ssn
Vet goes to 691
Starts at 668
fossil hemlock
That sounds... high?
lofty depot
Get high then
fossil hemlock
Max is 723 right?
lofty depot
Yes
gray pulsar
Get high then
Smoke trees. At least they give a decent high
lofty depot
Maybe don't use chatgpt
bronze hornet
technically true - it's accessible in Moonkin form
bronze hornet
but you'll leave it on accessing it
gray pulsar
guys what is chatgpt smoking
Also like the 6/10 translating to 4/5 stars. IGN type shit
tame dome
yeh sadly not as helpful as I had hoped
lofty depot
Why u trying to take my job away
tame dome
you could probably do much better
lofty depot
Thyme would say so
gray pulsar
Thyme will tell
tame dome
issue is I don't have enough Thyme to play more than one class
normal pilot
just pick a good class then
tame dome
trying buddy
gray pulsar
Night Elf Mohawk is not in the game tho
tame dome
super simple, super tanky and super mobile ranged caster pls and thanks
gray pulsar
We're doing well enough so weapon doesn't NEED to proc more. Right? RIGHT?
lofty depot
No
iron chasm
super simple, super tanky and super mobile ranged caster pls and thanks
Balance Druid was voted hardest Ranged class of 2024/25 so probably not balance
Itโs just crazy complex
visual sierra
Balance Druid was voted hardest Ranged class of 2024/25 so probably not balance ...
Thereโs no way
tame dome
Balance Druid was voted hardest Ranged class of 2024/25 so probably not balance ...
it manages two of the goals for sure
visual sierra
Itโs literally like 3 buttons
gray pulsar
Hardest ranged when compared to MM hunter and DH just throwing glaives
lofty depot
Itโs literally like 3 buttons
Can u please tell me the 3 buttons so I can tell u 3 more
jaunty blaze
How do ppl fall for these all the time
lofty depot
I'm bored
gray pulsar
Bait = free protein
jaunty blaze
Same
tame dome
at the moment I'm leaning strongest towards balance
lofty depot
So lean the other way
spark kite
is wowhead the most up to date guide for 11.2 boom booms?
lofty depot
It's currently more up to date than dreamgrove.gg, But often times we rather u look at dreamgrove.gg
spark kite
okay, thank you. i will keep an eye out for dreamgrove.gg update
lofty depot
Technically... there's some funny things tettles needs to change but hopefully maybe things change before raid release
So we wait to tell him til then
I pray for him if they fix keeper and he didn't save the original
jaunty blaze
spark kite
๐คฃ
jaunty blaze
That would be quite funny indeed
quick hatch
One of the 90%ers prob
What was this about, sorry?
quick hatch
No no, like.. What is this percents?
lofty depot
The new weapons have a proc chance for damage or an absorb shield. We have a lower chance to proc the damage one
quick hatch
Ah ty
lofty depot
But I was making a joke with percentages
gray pulsar
So did blizz
dry compass
See I want to say the proc rate is based on damage frequency and it's just to balance and thats why dot classes are the bottom
but then afflock in the winners bracket so
who tf knows
visual sierra
Can u please tell me the 3 buttons so I can tell u 3 more
The dots and starfall
misty glade
Does the EC PTR sim assume zero or few cancelled casts for starfire?
half sierra
the one button rotation and incarn. I can't think of a third button.
lofty depot
the one button rotation and incarn. I can't think of a third button.
N so u can go resto
visual sierra
Wrath, Starfire, surge
Not real
lofty depot
Does the EC PTR sim assume zero or few cancelled casts for starfire?
No
We ain't assuming here
normal pilot
no plebs plz if you can't manage movement to the back of the line
half sierra
making assumptions make an ass out of u and mptions
jade jacinth
Does anyone here have an updated version of Afenar's WA? i like how it looks so don't want to change lol ๐
scenic mist
tracking starfall 
scarlet tapir
Does anyone here have an updated version of Afenar's WA? i like how it looks so ...
wdym? his new one isnt the same?
lofty depot
Does anyone here have an updated version of Afenar's WA? i like how it looks so ...
well if he hasnt update it...
jade jacinth
Wouldn't i need a new one for the tier set? ๐
idk someone might've kindly modded it lol
lofty depot
well, u update it when new patch comes out
sometimes they update it
some times they dont
this is why i use Oi's because he plays boomkin and will always update it
hmm looks like he doersnt update it
tragic
jade jacinth
๐ญ rip
lofty depot
use a better weakaura >
jade jacinth
ty tho ๐
jade jacinth
ty ty โค๏ธ
balmy light
lofty depot
not for us buddy
lucid olive
hmm looks like he doersnt update it
it hasnt needed an update since this either
lofty depot
nah track mushroom, surely its a dps inc
lucid olive
how do you know he doesnt track fungal growth
lofty depot
because we werent using it yet in s1
then again.... 0.5 patch hmmmmmmmm
were using it in m+ surely
meh, lets bet he wasnt tracking it
stuck quartz
any week now
obsidian tapir
okay when is the hail mary tuning coming in to save balance
I think they will let us one season like this like they did with aug
stuck quartz
doubt
delicate stirrup
I think they leave is cooked tbh
normal pilot
deep fried chicken
lofty depot
atleast were cooked now
scarlet tapir
I think they will let us one season like this like they did with aug
aug was perfectly fine this season
stuck quartz
also kind of insane to compare boomy to aug
the peak of these two specs has never been close
delicate stirrup
We've been dominating m+ now for 2 seasons
Raid not so much but still I think we're cooked
Tuning proves me otherwise
delicate stirrup
Better than most specs can say
stuck quartz
mage has dominated the meta for like 12 seasons now, surely they are cooked
lofty depot
Better than most specs can say
dk has done the same for both seasons
stuck quartz
Arcane has dominated for like 8 seasons
lofty depot
but no one complains
delicate stirrup
Because DK
past tide
Imagine bringing a moonkin or feral when rdruid is op
delicate stirrup
Imagine bringing a moonkin or feral when rdruid is op
This tbh
scarlet tapir
Arcane has dominated for like 8 seasons
u never saw arcane dominate m+
it was fire mage
or frost
dont remember last time arcane was meta
obsidian tapir
aug was perfectly fine this season
I saw so many of them
thorn nebula
i mean to be fair if they had a problem with balance druid M+ dominance then elune's chosen would be the gutted hero talent, not KoTG.
As it stands now we are meh M+ and god awful raid. We have been god awful raid for several tiers back to back now, their balancing makes 0 sense.
drifting nova
so what you're saying is
night gulch
balance dev just hates us
lucid olive
people keep trying to find a pattern or logic in how tuning is done
like "oh this spec has been good for so long so now it needs to be bad"
thats not how it works
lucid oriole
the only encounter balance is good is the 3demon hunter boss which is an optional boss =))))))
lofty depot
like "oh this spec has been good for so long so now it needs to be bad"
same people go to casino and see 10 red hits in a row and bet black cuz its due
night gulch
the only encounter balance is good is the 3demon hunter boss which is an optiona...
not really optional anymore
its required for hof
thorn nebula
i mean optional means optional for clearing the raid - while you need it for HoF some guilds will maybe only kill it once and forget about it for reclears
because... ya know.. it's optional.
drifting nova
but like why optional
lucid olive
optional is more for lore reasons
drifting nova
unless it drops actual loot
then maybe they should nut up and make it non optional
lucid oriole
in previous tiers blizz was making some bosses which is good for balance druids
wild dune
i mean optional means optional for clearing the raid - while you need it for HoF...
drops boots
lucid oriole
now days thats gone
wild dune
will be killed every week
drifting nova
when was the last optional boss
lucid olive
because... ya know.. it's optional.
well, by that logic, every boss in Undermine was optional for reclear
except for you have to kill Vexie to get to Mug'Zee/Bandit
wild dune
there is nothing optional about this encounter 
drops an item literally everyone in your raid needs
lucid olive
but you can start the raid with Sprocket if you want
lucid olive
8 boss raid
6 bosses for max vault
the optional is literally just for lore reasons
its not actually optional
its just that you can choose not to fight them because illidari are friends or w/e
also during raid testing
their arena was fake
like mid combat I just ran out of the arena and up to where the next boss was
vital hound