Idk why there is a cap that you can hit on the tier set
#balance
lofty depot
well they want u to hit a certain number
digital berry
Idgaf about meta in m+, and raid is meaningless unless you rwf
meager storm
but if we perma hit it
wicked shuttle
Then make it 2% of the damage without a cap
lofty depot
can u get to 15x cap with 2% dam without double ca?
obsidian jetty
Idk why there is a cap that you can hit on the tier set
kinda awkward with dmg amp bosses, they threw 3 in this raid
wicked shuttle
Is it that unreasonable to have an op tier set?
obsidian jetty
like if the cap was large, you would do insane dmg on the amp bosses
normal pilot
you can just make it not count vulnerabilities
meager storm
can u get to 15x cap with 2% dam without double ca?
maybe
normal pilot
there's just no excuse for a cap
lofty depot
Is it that unreasonable to have an op tier set?
twitch says yes
wicked shuttle
Pretty sure most people’s tier is like 25% gain
normal pilot
it's just stupid game design
wicked shuttle
It’s dumb as hell
obsidian tapir
Pretty sure most people’s tier is like 25% gain
ours is a -25%
loud kettle
you can just make it not count vulnerabilities
this is what they should actually do
lofty depot
Pretty sure most people’s tier is like 25% gain
yea but boomkin isnt allowed to ahve that
obsidian jetty
there's just no excuse for a cap
well, there's alot of things they "can do" that they won't do
wicked shuttle
And then ours either should’ve been reworked or something else
normal pilot
it's not even a tuning issue
real flax
no fun allowed for chicken
normal pilot
this is just fundamentally bad design
solemn idol
They were def never going to rework
wicked shuttle
If you think there should be a cap then the tier set is just bad
And needs a redesign
solemn idol
The dev was too enamored with the dryad trying to be cute
real flax
They were def never going to rework
at this stage is just numbers or nothing
lofty depot
The dev was too enamored with the dryad trying to be cute
feral player hm
real flax
no way they do shit
wicked shuttle
Boomie will get buffed again
solemn idol
They spent like 90% of the time trying to get the dryad model just right even though its a base npc model and then oh shitted the actual tuning
wicked shuttle
They’re not changing anything mechanically
stone ledge
if they are going into the bit of nerfing kotg into the ground just buff ec at this point, many specs can operate off 1 hero talent and just talent changes for raid to m+
just sucks we gotta starfire st
obsidian jetty
I just can't wait for the 15% aura buff, and then boomy is broken in M+ and ppl call us gaslighters 
wicked shuttle
Play something else then
stone ledge
blizzard does
stone ledge
and thats the only opinion that they care about
real flax
Boomie will get buffed again
but when, just before the season launchs?
wicked shuttle
but when, just before the season launchs?
Nah probably in like 4 weeks it’ll be acceptable
stone ledge
monday or on patch day we get a hidden buff just like hidden nerf
loud kettle
actually norgannon legendary would be better
lofty depot
boomy needs ice floes...
type shit
real flax
Nah probably in like 4 weeks it’ll be acceptable
after the rwf for sure
digital berry
After rwf, around the .5 patch no
obsidian jetty
but when, just before the season launchs?
there's still an entire week before season launch
wicked shuttle
If you don’t wanna play it can always play something else
nova ocean
Boomie will get buffed again
It better or your grandma is staying in this cage
wild dune
check back after rwf 
solemn idol
Or, and let me go out on a limb there, stellar drift. rip
loud kettle
similar idea but dont need to push a button
lofty depot
mages are liek we cant play frost cuz its immobile
stone ledge
someone at blizzard really doesnt want balance in rwf
real flax
there's still an entire week before season launch
i hope it happens before but i don't think so
meager storm
there's still an entire week before season launch
🥀
lofty depot
and im like blud i can move so much as frost wtf
lofty depot
those were big boots
wicked shuttle
there's still an entire week before season launch
My theory is they’re getting no new info. If they thought it was bad they would’ve buffed it on the recent patch
It’ll stay like this for a few weeks probably
stone ledge
we already have enough manditory equips
normal pilot
there was some raid stuff on friday
stone ledge
even tho those boots are ciik
loud kettle
im not saying as an item
real flax
that 8% buff was like.. yeah take this and shut up
stone ledge
cool-
obsidian tapir
My theory is they’re getting no new info. If they thought it was bad they would’...
why after 20 years they do not have a interal simulation or something ....
loud kettle
i just mean the effect
normal pilot
so there's a window with patch launch
solemn idol
if theyre getting no new info that is horrible as developers lol even in a sandbox environ...I mean..
meager storm
i think gamz said something about sending them sims and they didnt care at all
normal pilot
but if nothing happens with the build then i'd expect nothing until rwf over
stone ledge
regardless im sticking with the spec, eventually it will improve
obsidian jetty
My theory is they’re getting no new info. If they thought it was bad they would’...
I think the dev just doesn't understand the impact of the set. Nor does he know how to balance it. He just changed the number, wants to see the impact, then aura buff. That's my tinfoil hat
lofty depot
that 8% buff was like.. yeah take this and shut up
thats my troll, no stealing
real flax
regardless im sticking with the spec, eventually it will improve
having a druid is always good
obsidian jetty
either way, he can see the impact from w/e info he's looking at
solemn idol
That's dumb as shit too. It provides a rounded set of data to look at sims AND practical application during testing.
real flax
thats my troll, no stealing
pardon me
stone ledge
next ptr we just need to sandbag harder surely
obsidian tapir
and how you buff or nerf something without testing and without simming you just wait for feedback and sometimes you listen and sometimes you ignore ?
solemn idol
Why would you intentionally avoid having more data available to you?
wicked shuttle
I think the dev just doesn't understand the impact of the set. Nor does he know ...
I think it’s just a conflict of design. They designed it to be cool. Realized it was impossible to balance. We hit code lock and they couldn’t change it. Now we have it, but making it interesting warps the game.
So it’s gonna suck
wicked shuttle
They can’t change tier sets anymore can they?
normal pilot
thye can
solemn idol
...
meager storm
gastank save us
normal pilot
they spent all of DF expanding their hotfix capabilities
obsidian jetty
they just changed our code on the set
wicked shuttle
They can hotfix the numbers, can they change the ability?
normal pilot
yes
obsidian jetty
it used to count healing
wicked shuttle
Gotcha
swift elbow
Have they ever significantly changed a tier set 1 week before tier ? xD
normal pilot
they can hotfix pretty much anything
real flax
They can hotfix the numbers, can they change the ability?
at this time? would be surprising
wicked shuttle
I’m not shocked they fixed that in DF
stone ledge
change it to something with the moons make them useable
wicked shuttle
That limitation was terrible
normal pilot
the only real limitation is text and localization
but things like scripts they can do w/e the fuck they want any time
real flax
they didn't explore much the orbital strike potential, a new cd throwing moons maybe
wicked shuttle
They wouldn’t change the tier anyways this late
But they could if they want to ig
obsidian jetty
I think it’s just a conflict of design. They designed it to be cool. Realized it...
idk, it's not impossible. Going from 25x to 6x just screams you don't understand it. he couldn't hit a 20 15x, then saw what happened, next week push a further one if he thinks it's still too strong. Boom, it's balanced
normal pilot
ya 6x is just braindead
meager storm
wicked shuttle
Yeah idk why they did it like this
I think the cap is garbage gameplay personally
stone ledge
wouldnt closer to a 12.5x with the dryad changes be alot closer to middle of the pack?
solemn idol
Stupidity and laziness imo
normal pilot
low tuningi can understand
wicked shuttle
Hitting a cap at all is so annoying
normal pilot
because they don't have the tools to evaluate dps so they can miss tuning
obsidian jetty
the problem is the communication. We don't know the dev's actual goal, so we all just sit here guessing. No one can help him get to his goal without knowing it
real flax
good old times in bfa with no cap in any class
normal pilot
but making a cap at 6x has nothing to do with inability to evaluate dps
obsidian tapir
idk, it's not impossible. Going from 25x to 6x just screams you don't understand...
yea while hunter got 7 times nerfed babysteps, we got nuked
wicked shuttle
the problem is the communication. We don't know the dev's actual goal, so we all...
It’s not our job to help them
normal pilot
ya communictaion doens't matter
meager storm
@normal pilot did they end up fixing the splash dmg nerf thingy, or is still not nerfed
solemn idol
If they suck at their job they should recognize the need for help but being self aware or mindful of that is a lost art.
wicked shuttle
If they asked me my thoughts I could give them to them, but it’s not my job
normal pilot
splash is still bugged
meager storm
stone ledge
It’s not our job to help them
isnt the goal of ptr is to help them test their new content though? or were you talking in a dreamgrove perspective
normal pilot
theyr'e job isn't to make things balanced
their job is to make a product that you pay for
and you keep doing it so
wicked shuttle
Testing isn’t telling them how to achieve their goal
Testing is making sure things are functional
obsidian jetty
It’s not our job to help them
well, solution 1 is quit the game, solution 2 is hope they figure it out (they havn't for 8+years,) Solution 3 is help them (we dont' know what they want)
so ig we just go with 1 then?
normal pilot
3 isn't something they want
stone ledge
thats fair, i bet they still look at numbers for tuning though from those tests
wicked shuttle
They don’t want help
normal pilot
so it's not a choice
wicked shuttle
Yeah
warm briar
“We’d prefer if you didn’t play boomkin”-Ion 2025
stone ledge
TRUE
wicked shuttle
You’re the consumer. You’re not a part of the workflow
normal pilot
it's your $$ you play the game they make or play something else
lofty depot
wouldnt closer to a 12.5x with the dryad changes be alot closer to middle of the...
it was middle of the pack at 25, or below middle
wicked shuttle
You could go work for blizzard and make a difference
lucid olive
bad talents
obsidian tapir
“We’d prefer if you didn’t play boomkin”-Ion 2025
Ceasescu 2025 you mean
real flax
complaining is just copium
stone ledge
it was middle of the pack at 25, or below middle
but that was before the dryad changes tho
normal pilot
well complaining is sometimes fun
loud kettle
bad talents
i just stole the sim linked above it ye
stone ledge
so dryad changes at 10-12.5% would be similar no? or i guess we just cap just as quick then
loud kettle
well complaining is sometimes fun
yea...
real flax
well complaining is sometimes fun
we need to do it we are boomies
lofty depot
but that was before the dryad changes tho
those dryad changes arent 10%
wicked shuttle
Yeah, I get the complaining. There just is no resolution
You just either get over it and play or quit
normal pilot
ya if you expect something that's when you're just fooling yourself
meager storm
so dryad changes at 10-12.5% would be similar no? or i guess we just cap just as...
no, 20x + dryad buff was the same as 25x no dryad buff pretty sure
i saw a sim somewhere
stone ledge
ah
wicked shuttle
Blizz will buff the spec, but if it’s not soon enough for you there are ways around it
real flax
you can wait and spam f5 in bluetracker hoping for buffs and that's all
warm briar
I’ve spent the last several days deciding if I was just going to quit boomy for good then I am just deciding to full send it and keep playing it because I’m not in a rwf guild anyway so it doesn’t matter
lucid olive
minus Rattle the Stars + Denizens
meager storm
lofty depot
guys hes sandbagging that sim should be 5.3
lucid olive
Rattle the Stars sucks cause you don't want Starsurge to cost less AP
Less AP cost = less Starfire casts
real flax
stone ledge
rework moons and astral communion while we are at it
lofty depot
rework moons and astral communion while we are at it
what if we stick to reworking the spec first
meager storm
imagine weaver baseline
real flax
what if we stick to reworking the spec first
if they don't touch how starfall works its ok
stone ledge
starfall on cd
drifting nova
if they don't touch how starfall works its ok
make it a channel and it's a ok
wicked shuttle
We’re ramping
loud kettle
god buff this spec
lofty depot
if they don't touch how starfall works its ok
if u were better in raid because they nerfed starfall, would u hate that
loud kettle
ec just looks miserable
rich jewel
5.3 doesnt need buffs anymore i think
wicked shuttle
Only 1m dps below frost mage!
obsidian tapir
we should start sandbagging
real flax
if u were better in raid because they nerfed starfall, would u hate that
not much but it's fun make big aoe
lofty depot
type shit
sudden flame
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kbk4bFtFwL6YCQCDY8a14h 🫡
balance is back 
obsidian tapir
Only 1m dps below frost mage!
hell yea
warm briar
lofty depot
was gonns say
obsidian tapir
Ur numbers are wrong
lucid olive
If Dorki gets his way and tank specs get some dmg buffs we will be simming less than prot warr
big baller moves
wicked shuttle
But yeah. I tried to get communication with blizzards class design team forever to be able to give them feedback. They genuinely don’t want it. They’re going to make the decisions they think are best
Almost regardless of anything else
real flax
it is what it is
obsidian tapir
that's crazy....
wicked shuttle
Yeah kind of a take it or leave it moment
loud kettle
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6qBhsmvmTM68Z42z3mmB8f
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6nWAkFyyCnodRdtzTRaXS post trinket-tuning
digital berry
Is it the same for every other spec?
normal pilot
yes
warm briar
Wild they make feedback threads almost every patch and then disregard/ignore feedback
real flax
ofc
drifting nova
Is it the same for every other spec?
wdym? it's 1 guy
wicked shuttle
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6nWAkFyyCnodRdtzTRaXS post trinket-t...
Oh not bad
normal pilot
this is how blizzard has worked for decades
drifting nova
for all the specs
obsidian tapir
Oh not bad
my numbers are good
wicked shuttle
Yeah I 4got trinkets
stone ledge
Oh not bad
yeah ritual forge got nerfed sadge
lucid olive
But yeah. I tried to get communication with blizzards class design team forever ...
all communication I've had with them has been through 3rd parties like the QA team, and it has just been constantly "there is no guarantee any good changes will happen because the class devs just do whatever they feel like and they do not respond well to feedback"
solemn idol
that tracks
wicked shuttle
Well yeah. It’s the same as any other job really
solemn idol
If I was bad at my job I probably wouldnt like hearing other people confirm what I already know
lofty depot
dont respond well to feedback, hm
normal pilot
sometimes you get a more enthusiastic dev that'll take direct feedback
true viper
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t6nWAkFyyCnodRdtzTRaXS post trinket-t...
Why does mage sim 800k more
true viper
why does warlock sim 1 mil more
lofty depot
Why does mage sim 800k more
good class
loud kettle
Why does mage sim 800k more
i wonder
real flax
sometimes you get a more enthusiastic dev that'll take direct feedback
not the case
wicked shuttle
sometimes you get a more enthusiastic dev that'll take direct feedback
Yeah we’ve had those in the past. Idk who’s going balance anymore
real flax
some desings are so ass
normal pilot
but given blizzard grossly underpays
and you have to live in fucking irvine
i cna't imagine ppl stay enthusiatic for long
wicked shuttle
CMs in the past collected class feedback regularly too
lucid olive
I think there has been 3 devs involved just in changes on the 4pc this PTR
wicked shuttle
But they all got fired
true viper
Im geniunely curious what they thought would happen when they decided to make that kotg tier set
sudden pawn
make less than a mcdonalds employee and expect good work lol nice try
lofty depot
Im geniunely curious what they thought would happen when they decided to make th...
that it would die
obsidian tapir
they should get feedback from all players and try to make everyone happy so they get more players
drifting nova
Im geniunely curious what they thought would happen when they decided to make th...
were they thinking?
stone ledge
lets give them hope this one time
wild dune
they should get feedback from all players and try to make everyone happy so they...
people keep playing anyways
lofty depot
they should get feedback from all players and try to make everyone happy so they...
yet all of us still play the game
clearly doesnt matter
wild dune
only way things change is if sub numbers drop
lofty depot
pay the sub, dont need the feedback cuz ull still pay the sub
stone ledge
4 month late april fools joke
obsidian tapir
people keep playing anyways
I mean tbh they constantly lose players right ? They just make their money people buying stupid mounts :))
normal pilot
it's a dying genre they'll always lose players
but ppl keep coming back so
they're obviously being successful at their jobs
wicked shuttle
I do think it’s partially an issue of it being a cross section of entertainment and programming. You need people who are really good at both and are super passionate about the product.
If they’re not paying their employees enough, they’re overworked, or the culture sucks. The product obviously will suffer.
lucid olive
dying genre doesn't matter, new Battlefield game still happening
solemn idol
I mean I still play the game because the art team, general narrative team, and recent raid design team(s) have been hard carrying the class devs
lucid olive
and that genre been dead for years
rich jewel
can also just try another spec instead of waiting for the devs to make the 1 spec u have into what u want
lofty depot
dying genre doesn't matter, new Battlefield game still happening
BR?!
wicked shuttle
can also just try another spec instead of waiting for the devs to make the 1 spe...
Yeah. I’m with you here
You have choices
Can reroll
Could wait
Could quit
normal pilot
ya there's no point paying them to suffer
wicked shuttle
All reasonable options
obsidian tapir
what do you suggest to do tettles ?
wicked shuttle
Idk just have fun
lucid olive
yeah I'm probably just doing prog and then quitting until Midnight except for whenever I get beta access
wicked shuttle
Whatever makes you happy
real flax
jerk off and play boomie
lofty depot
u get alpha by getting ce no?
lucid olive
friends and family alpha no??
wicked shuttle
I’m just gonna raid on Druid, probably sit on the bench until buffs hit, kill whatever I can
true viper
5 stages of greif we are entering stage 4 of acceptance
wicked shuttle
And reroll to something for m+
lofty depot
oh that one yea have fun
wicked shuttle
I can’t give you F&F alpha
lucid olive
damn how sad
normal pilot
maybe they'll do streamer giveaways
wicked shuttle
I just make YouTube videos
lucid olive
yeah but content creators rule the internet man didn't you know
when Blizzard makes any change it is because a streamer made them
wicked shuttle
TRUE
solemn idol
Though my general frustration is more aimed at people(class devs in this case) that are bad at their jobs. And either acknowledge that and carry on or they have no idea theyre bad at their job.
It's not even so much where the class is atm but in the fact that it even got there, along with other class/specs, in the first place.
stone ledge
when Blizzard makes any change it is because a streamer made them
Become the streamer
lucid olive
Become the streamer
I just get @pallid bay flaming me for doing last season damage..
mental can't handle it gg
wicked shuttle
Play dev
obsidian jetty
when Blizzard makes any change it is because a streamer made them
unironically community backlash is the best moving force. Which is pushed by content creator(s)
wicked shuttle
That’ll do next season damage
unreal spade
Havent kept up with the news for the new patch. Is it true that balance druid is dead in the water?
rain pebble
someone gonna start their villain arc like that guy who created Ethereum
lucid olive
Havent kept up with the news for the new patch. Is it true that balance druid is...
No
It is dead on dry land
Cause it has been dead so long the water dried up
unreal spade
ouch, sadge
stone ledge
At this point we’ve already had the funeral
solemn idol
And it wasnt even a celebration of life
stone ledge
I’m rerolling void caster dh trust it comes this patch
wicked shuttle
But yeah. If you want to play boomy, I’m sure it’ll get pretty significant buffs over the next 4 weeks. Just will take a bit of time
stone ledge
We still surge on em
drifting plank
But yeah. If you want to play boomy, I’m sure it’ll get pretty significant buffs...
no we want buffs NOW
unreal spade
massive sigh.
digital berry
And it’s not guaranteed ec will phase out of being the best st spec
wild dune
cant wait for the 20% aura buffs
digital berry
Which is the biggest bummer
unreal spade
cant help but think "how hard can it be?". The level of messing up on boomy for this new patch is staggering. If i were their boss i think id actually order a drug test lmao
digital berry
Cause I’m fine to do less dmg until buffs during prog but playing ec the whole season sounds depressing
drifting plank
main problem about boomie being strong (with treants being meta) is that keeper is really annoying to play
unreal spade
oh well, i hope they eventually fix it. im considering unsubbing honestly. cant believe im paying for ppl to do a shitty job, bad investment.
normal pilot
it's gonna be a successful launch with all specs in playable position
drifting nova
main problem about boomie being strong (with treants being meta) is that keeper ...
you can say it, bad, it's bad
drifting plank
EC is much better and smooth
digital berry
main problem about boomie being strong (with treants being meta) is that keeper ...
What? How’s is it annoying to play
I find it pretty smooth
wild dune
digital berry
Especially with control
gentle scroll
Playing EC to be competitive in raid is going to put me on a list
lucid olive
it's gonna be a successful launch with all specs in playable position
when do the usually reset the spec aura
meager storm
alright another EC propaganda guy
lucid olive
every expansion?
normal pilot
they used to
drifting plank
What? How’s is it annoying to play
remember 2 on use trinkets s1
wicked shuttle
they do it on patch launch sometimes
drifting nova
alright another EC propaganda guy
EC is clearly superior, if you think otherwise you sadly lack eyes
wicked shuttle
depending on how big the spec's changes are
normal pilot
but they don't really reset anymore
lucid olive
cause with a 15% buff the spec aura is on 33
wicked shuttle
i think they reset moonkin in 11.0.5
lucid olive
stone ledge
new chat blocker goes crazy thanks @wicked shuttle
digital berry
remember 2 on use trinkets s1
Ok and ? Just pair then with trees it’s pretty straight forward
meager storm
dont make me do it kekkers
drifting plank
or having to use wrath on priory targets like grim batol
loud kettle
cause with a 15% buff the spec aura is on 33
look at guardian's spec aura btw
normal pilot
resetting auras is expensive
drifting nova
dont make me do it kekkers
if I can get a 95 in EC you can too
rain pebble
treehuggers smh
digital berry
or having to use wrath on priory targets like grim batol
Wrath does beans for dmg
normal pilot
cuz you have to potentially manually adjust each spell coeff
and that's a lot of dev $$ you pay for
digital berry
And nobody wants kotg in m+
rain pebble
moons > trees
normal pilot
there's no real downside of leaving the aura as is
drifting plank
reset moonkin by deleting the spec
no
lucid olive
i think they reset moonkin in 11.0.5
So we have had 18% in aura buffs from 11.0.5
banger
obsidian tapir
reset moonkin by deleting the spec
normal pilot
they might do it on a rework but i don't really expect a balance rework until after this trilogy thing is over
lucid olive
yeah
digital berry
God bless
wicked shuttle
they just gotta bring back DF S1 Feral
normal pilot
23
loud kettle
ya 23 thats what i said
lucid olive
They gotta bring back Amirdrassil feral
normal pilot
they needs unnerfed SL set feral
scenic mist
i think they reset moonkin in 11.0.5
loud kettle
and bugged cos ring
scenic mist
now is the time of reckonning
normal pilot
like DF level is nowhere near enough to fix that spec
you need like 2 tiers of rwf stacking feral druids
to overcome decades of ridicule
gentle scroll
Just let the players choose their spec, then the patch for their toon 
stone ledge
that aged like jdotb's resto ranking]
lucid olive
feral druids have victim complex
normal pilot
prob with feral is to make it popular you gotta get rid of shit feral players self-selectec to like, like snapshot/pooling
gentle scroll
To make feral good, you would need to make bleeds good and that cannot happen
scenic mist
feral is fun
fun if you like to play 10sec every 40sec
loud kettle
To make feral good, you would need to make bleeds good and that cannot happen
you wouldnt need to no
wild dune
fun if you like to play 10sec every 40sec
tf is 30 seconds 
scenic mist
tf is 30 seconds <:shrugeg:1115674346120294591>
oh well never mind then, feral op
CMON
gentle scroll
What would be the trick then? other than making their damage upfront and not doing dots
wild dune
berserking should be 1.5 or 1min though
drifting nova
counter offer
wild dune
drifting nova
no
wild dune
enjoy pressing starfire in raid kekkers
wild dune
with how little damage full moon does
loud kettle
"other than the solution, what is the trick?" (btw you cant buff anything other than upfront damage aka the solution)
wild dune
sure
loud kettle
dumb question
drifting nova
enjoy pressing starfire in raid kekkers
you think that frightens me? I love ec
meager storm
loud kettle
just wondering what dmg type ur thinking to buff if its not bleeds or direct dmg
lucid olive
man amirdrassil feral owned so hard
scenic mist
revert feral to amirdrassil
now this i could f with
lofty depot
just wondering what dmg type ur thinking to buff if its not bleeds *or* direct d...
moonfire damage
loud kettle
yea i guess
pallid bay
Feral players just suck
sudden flame
just wondering what dmg type ur thinking to buff if its not bleeds *or* direct d...
give burst aoe and feral is back
loud kettle
buff moonfire to the moon
meager storm
amird mm owned so hard
gentle scroll
no no, I just wasnt sure if there was another way other than changing them off dots
meager storm
cool set
lofty depot
oh and swarm
scenic mist
man amirdrassil feral owned so hard
crazy thing that for once feral was dynamic and they killed it right after
loud kettle
well no it was still snapshot
you just infinite uptime on ur buff
which is so lame
might as well just delete the buff
loud kettle
snapshots relevance is vastly overstated anyway
scenic mist
you just infinite uptime on ur buff
infinitly more fun
loud kettle
perma tigers fury owned
just delete the buff portion of tigers fury
pallid bay
Snapshotting sucks simply cause there's no reasonable way to track it
scenic mist
Snapshotting sucks simply cause there's no reasonable way to track it
feral WAs do it quite well imo
lucid olive
Snapshotting sucks simply cause there's no reasonable way to track it
Psybear plays default UI and does well 
lucid olive
something like that
scenic mist
is it next xpac
most probably not
loud kettle
permanent uptime on any buff is instantly cringe
pallid bay
is it next xpac
Yeah
scenic mist
too soon for them to already have working alternatives
normal pilot
ya isn't the point to have worse alternatives
sudden pawn
as long as they can advertise something for a patch it doesnt matter
meager storm
gentle scroll
"Now with less!"
normal pilot
it's supposed to do less things and be worse than WAs
gentle scroll
Oxygen
pallid bay
feral WAs do it quite well imo
I said reasonable
loud kettle
im not attached to tigers fury snapshotting ngl
they could make it fully dynamic
sudden ambush is very cool though
scenic mist
sudden ambush is very cool though
sa just means i cant press rake for BT anymore
annoying
sudden flame
loud kettle
if only there were other spells :/
also you rake more with sudden ambush than without
scenic mist
if only there were other spells :/
YOU THINK I BIND TRASH ?
sudden flame
yes
lucid olive
yeah thats bound on 3
loud kettle
YOU THINK I BIND TRASH ?
yea, show wrath keybind?
scenic mist
yea, show wrath keybind?
i mouseclick for optimal efficiency
loud kettle
bonus points if u have mushroom bound
sudden pawn
typhoon is on = sign
scenic mist
bonus points if u have mushroom bound
it'd go on the FoE bind if needed
lucid olive
you actually gain damage from unbinding mushroom if you take the talent
loud kettle
wow you have foe bound?
lofty depot
it'd go on the FoE bind if needed
no it wouldnt
loud kettle
you actually gain damage from unbinding mushroom if you take the talent
ya hence trash
keen plaza
hell yea
i like how somebody took the screenshot i had, edited out the part where i put my name and dated it and reposted it
lofty depot
thank god u put ur name on it
sudden flame
whys bro puttign their name on random sim screenshots 
lofty depot
we should blame u
lofty depot
whys bro puttign their name on random sim screenshots <:catpointingandlaughingem...
hes trying to take credit for misinformation
keen plaza
tell me which part is wrong
sudden flame
lofty depot
that ur using it
keen plaza
huh
loud kettle
tell me which part is wrong
this part
lofty depot
probably these parts tho
keen plaza
which part is misinformation
keen plaza
its information, that your free to use how you want.
keen plaza
ya there, but i had other stuff commented on it so people so that when nerfs inevitably go out, and then ppl see it and cry about something being different, its dated
lucid olive
me when i sentence
lofty depot
me when i sentence
run on* sentence
balmy goblet
what a loser
Not trying to hide it thats why i play Balance druid
digital berry
Eww
devout condor
Two questions druid bros.........
-
Starfall should never pull anything that I'm not already engaged with in M+ right??
-
At what point do I say fuck moonfire?? Like first pull in Floodgate is like a gazillion mobs, by the time I was done making sure everything was moonfired mobs were like 50% dead
scenic mist
Two questions druid bros.........
1. Starfall should never pull anything that I...
- starfall only affects in combat targets
- never. spam moonfire while the tank is building the pull, by the time verything is stacked you should have moonfired like 80%. go to 100% and fire
devout condor
ok..ill do that more. afraid ill pull aggro and fuck up the pull
lofty depot
never means if they dont live 6 seconds
scenic mist
mossy idol
Waiting for those buffs and play style changes any day now
digital berry
Waiting for those buffs and play style changes any day now
Eww
scenic mist
basically in the same boat
we dont have farseer tho
daring gull
wait wtf
keeper is dead? might as well uninstall and go play hello kitty island adventure
digital berry
Tank dps on keeper for now
lofty depot
keeper is dead? might as well uninstall and go play hello kitty island adventure
were osrs gamers
daring gull
when will balance stop being a joke to blizz
lofty depot
log on
lofty depot
ewwwwwwwwwwww
rose geyser
lucid olive
we stopped being brought when everybody got a raid buff
lucid olive
thats crazy
bro didnt read the context of "this is all wrong info not to be trusted"
loud kettle
where is the link for this sim?
dunno dont care
cold sparrow
stuck meadow
we are getting another fix before launch
i have talked to my guys in blizzard
dont worry
wild dune
need funny number graph to decide my main !
lofty depot
yea, midnight launch
wait i could play mop right now and be the same
wat the fuck is that
stuck meadow
i mean
xxuu is a healer
prob can do more if he was a dps player
crazy to think that i know half of these people
with the amounts of gdkps i have done
lofty depot
for some reason it was recommended to me
wicked shuttle
wat the fuck is that
Incarn and CA used to be separate
CA froze our eclipse and Incarn was a damage amp
exotic perch
funny enough its probably a more fun system then current eclipse
wicked shuttle
Moonfire and Sunfire were the same button
lofty depot
channeling hurricane big fun
exotic perch
tettles do you think we will get a rework again with midnight
wicked shuttle
I’d doubt it
exotic perch
lmao true
wicked shuttle
Don’t feel great about those odds though
solemn idol
They'll be too busy tuning housing Feng Shui imo for reworks
quiet drift
No
quiet drift
Got removed in MoP
wicked shuttle
Yeah you could apply both at the same time in CA
Otherwise had to swap eclipses
That was crazy
wicked shuttle
Vers was a KOTG tier set thing
dense steeple
i didnt know why he kept saying vers is good
i just know ive had that in my bags for like a month
dense steeple
pumps said that ring was good for bear ||on wowhead|| so i went and took it from vault
cyrce gets gutted tuesday right?
lucid olive
yes
lofty depot
w
dense steeple
i just gontta finish recrafting shit to make sure i have everything on lock
i need wrists boots and a ring right
dense steeple
i hate this game
misty glade
This makes me quite unexcited for the new season
scarlet folio
misty glade
EC in raid will be cancer
meager storm
both should have done more
like
they are losing to me on boss dmg
maybe crits
misty glade
Is that neutered kotg or ec
meager storm
kotg
misty glade
We donezo
wicked shuttle
oh KOTG is unplayable in M+
delicate perch
oh KOTG is unplayable in M+
Do a 1 button kotg ptr key for content
wicked shuttle
apparently so is dh
Xd
nova ocean
tettles do you think we will get a rework again with midnight
Naw shadow priest will get another one
tawdry cedar
So realistically, how bad is boomy going to be in s3? Just disappoint me now.
lofty depot
So realistically, how bad is boomy going to be in s3? Just disappoint me now.
its ok in m+ right now
its very bad in raid
tawdry cedar
Oh ok, they usually buff a class if it's bad in raid right? So maybe we're chillin
lucid olive
if you just wanna do weekly 12 keys or whatever then yeah its okay
dense steeple
sweet summer child
lofty depot
Oh ok, they usually buff a class if it's bad in raid right? So maybe we're chill...
well yes, but the set was at least fun to play around
teal sphinx
its ok in m+ right now
tawdry cedar
well yes, but the set was at least fun to play around
I heard it was quite fun, haven't got the chance to try it yet unfortunately. Hopefully they revert the change or something
lofty depot
wouldnt hold ur breath
tawdry cedar
dense steeple
take a pic of your guy right now
shy void
wow grats on the big G
desert imp
can anyone guide me how to get items crafted in PTR?
desert imp
ok thanks
lucid olive
very few people bother crafting on ptr
theres like 0 reason to
or you can just use the crafted items u have already
and it gets scaled up in content anyway
lofty depot
so embelish won't make much of a difference on dps?
generally ur not trying to hit a specific number ur just trying to see whats better
so baseline is just use ir items
desert imp
gotcha, thanks all
stuck meadow
i think im playing feral next season
its looking like a blast single target
maybe good for dungeons idk?
meager storm
cool
spark anchor
Does no dmg
well i mean have you pressed it recently?
you're clearly not pressing it correctly
lucid olive
I press it satisfactory enough
Good idea
Might just start playing Satisfactory instead
WoW sucks
urban crescent
I love pressing starfire
bronze quail
cant even beat bad pugs
This is not terrible numbers at least
Like most specs are around that areaa
Also will vary a lot with keynumber and pulls
lucid olive
Like most specs are around that areaa
On live yeah..
bronze quail
I would need proof of that from you ngl
royal zenith
spark anchor
Mind your own damn starsurges
mb bro
spark anchor
Like most specs are around that areaa
we’re at like 8ish on live
cloud plover
I love pressing starfire
me too
round field
I hope you get targeted by every single possible mechanic
delicate perch
Alright did they fix balance yet
delicate perch
Understood have a nice day
mossy idol
Alright did they fix balance yet
quiet drift
delicate perch
I drew that wtf
jaunty blaze
so talented
delicate perch
I personally love the scales/feathers, really brings out the owl like features
rain pebble
jaunty blaze
subtle hint to reroll evoker
round field
would so play evoker if you werent forced to play a lizard with a genetic defect
rain pebble
I will never play non-elf so I know the feeling
obsidian tapir
i like how somebody took the screenshot i had, edited out the part where i put m...
wut ? it's on raidbots the sims for every class :))
keen plaza
I can't
keen plaza
Ya
royal zenith
dorki didnt do balance
royal zenith
tettles
livid jay
noice
keen plaza
What is the point your making
obsidian tapir
What is the point your making
I did not take your screenshot edit your name change the date, used AI, gave it to fiverr artist came back reviewed and send to this discord group :))))
keen plaza
Fair enough
obsidian tapir
nothing matters we are still bottom :))
pallid bay
are you trying to take credit for running some sims or whats going on here
royal zenith
that's what it looks like
keen plaza
Nah the point was just that I had a screenshot with text over it with the date and what not so ppl wouldent bother me with changes past the date, and I thought someone seriously edited it out since the dimension of the screenshot was the same and that would be insane behaviour, but he didn't so it's cool
true viper
I love sim charts
cold spade
obsidian tapir
Nah the point was just that I had a screenshot with text over it with the date a...
nah I am not like that 😂 no point creating fake news
meager storm
who
livid jay
wtf what is this ? who create this?
its the new patch
distant oasis
Big ferocious bite from a bird
cloud plover
ravenous snoozy
severe yacht
Hi just getting back into balance and wanted to check my understanding of a couple of things.
From my understanding of the druid compodium priority list, you don't need to enter an eclipse and then use CA. (From memory this used to be from a buff you get entering eclipse)
Also with using trees the way I read it you hold them unless you have (or soon will have) CA or Convoke.
Just want to check my understanding
distant oasis
Right
CA grant both eclipse
Trees buff dmg
So align as possible with other cds
severe yacht
Thanks 🙂
For some reason I thought in the past we went into an eclipse and then used CA. Because of a buff might have been the old haste buff? Can't remember tbh
So just wanted to check 🙂
round field
Hi just getting back into balance and wanted to check my understanding of a coup...
You dont hold trees if you dont have ca
You wanna sync them yes but you still press them if they come back in time
severe yacht
Yep noticed you use them if Convoke has more than 25 seconds
opaque pebble
someone the other day put in a really handy 4 minute window of how to use cds
was pretty cool but i forgot to copy it
this one
quiet drift
Starfire 0:01-0:03-0:05
merry ibex
we are so back
isnt this phrase banned in like every class discord? lmao
meager storm
well we are indeed not back atm but hopefully changes happen
and we are back
holy
merry ibex
exotic stump
well we are indeed not back atm but hopefully changes happen
Put down the inhaler 
distant oasis
They have to man, its not even copium. Even if we stay bottom but closer to the average dps its fine
distant oasis
If you Always parse 95+ you're not a dumpster in you roster i think
pallid bay
"if everyone else sucks..."
quiet drift
Mostly just feels bad if you wanna put forth more than the bare minimum while playing ur class
quiet drift
"if everyone else sucks..."
This too
100 parse on Mugzee and ur still fistfighting with a 95 bm
serene elk
" took boomie only on A rank, not higher 'cuz rdrood will be meta, and 2 same class is worth "
🤡
scarlet tapir
If u follow tier lists ur more clown than the guy making them. Specially if its petko
real flax
well we are indeed not back atm but hopefully changes happen
i wish god hears you
forest spear
Floodgate 14, we are back guys!
delicate perch
nice you played with two people using one button assistance
royal zenith
cause it probably is
exotic stump
Noxxic?
urban crescent
i just googled wow 11.2 tier list for the meme and they have to be ai generated sites
surely no one actually takes this shit seriously right?
:clueless:
rich jewel
U did
urban crescent
i'm so confused how we go from one of the best specs in the game in m+ to the worst
or are we only bad in raid
rich jewel
Just raid
urban crescent
ah ok so nothing changes then
quiet drift
Give enough aura buff and the spec is magically fine in the eyes of the majority
urban crescent
i personally dont mind EC but i see why people prefer keeper so i hope it gets un fucked
🙏
rich jewel
ah ok so nothing changes then
Well. Worse in both raid and m+
urban crescent
itsover
craggy sonnet
currently def not looking like one of the best specs for m+ next week
urban crescent
does anyone have that google sheet showing all the classes tier set damage %
thats always an interesting read
quiet drift
=RANDBETWEEN(1, 20) %
rich jewel
Is 20% enough
scenic mist
Is 20% enough
dps wise vastly yes
goes from 5.0M to 6.0M
but it wont resolve any underlying issues
scenic mist
indeed mb
craggy sonnet
when was that last updated?
scenic mist
depends on the class
spec even
so it's to be analyzed carefully
the sheet will be released with the patch anyway, with actual up to date and accurate data
urban crescent
i was just on the ptr and couldnt delete it
im guessing this is another perma bank slot gone next patch
royal zenith
Why would you make 0 to 4 or 0 to 2 charts
never understood this
I guess it's see the value of a tierset?
scenic mist
it will be simmed and we'll now before it's needed
royal zenith
to *
exotic stump
It shows the value of a whole tier set yeah
royal zenith
but only thing that matters is increase from current 4p to new 4p and what ilvl
for ML
rich jewel
I mean ye maybe you can use it to predict some 30% tierset will get nerfed
exotic stump
Actually more useful to determine early loot prio than 2p->4p no?
royal zenith
It's easy to get 2p
urban crescent
ye thats mainly what im interested in
royal zenith
very easy even
rich jewel
It doesnt help with loot whatsoever
I mean it increases the chance you will do something right sure
exotic stump
Even 4p it is if you're doing any sort of hc split raiding
exotic stump
Yeah so you wanna know who gains more from getting their 4p all at once
marsh solar
so, MotW is always listed as like a top tier buff, how is 3% vers such an I-Win button? mage buff is 5%
rich jewel
U would like to know 4p to 2p2p and 4p to 4p
exotic stump
so, MotW is always listed as like a top tier buff, how is 3% vers such an I-Win ...
Mage isn't vers, it's intellect
marsh solar
isnt vers lowest rated out of all secondary stats?
exotic stump
Completely unrelated
urban crescent
3% damage is very nice
marsh solar
yeah but its not game breaking
exotic stump
Vers score to % ratio is incredibly bad (on purpose)
marsh solar
its 3%
rich jewel
so, MotW is always listed as like a top tier buff, how is 3% vers such an I-Win ...
Mage is 3% intellect
marsh solar
so i loved playing balance in tww, is arc mage the thing now?
exotic stump
Yeah don't touch your boomkin then
marsh solar
and fire always seems to be bis in raids
urban crescent
i am the token druid buff next season :itsover:
exotic stump
and fire always seems to be bis in raids
Arcane has been more present recently
marsh solar
but is balance dead?
exotic stump
fire is not looking hot
royal zenith
what do you want to hear
scenic mist
but is balance dead?
we're just sandbagging, it's actually top tier
marsh solar
should i play balance which i love in s3 or switch to fotm arc mage that might get nerfed
urban crescent
marsh solar
im doing 12-15 keys and 4/8 mythic
royal zenith
why would you swap to anything fotm at the start of a tier
round field
Do you wanna be miserable all patch or atleast have fun at the start
round field
im doing 12-15 keys and 4/8 mythic
If its piss content like that play whatever
Doesnt matter
royal zenith
the meta will settle around .5 patch
exotic stump
When we get reworked then
marsh solar
ok, but i want instainv to keys
round field
Good luck
exotic stump
Even on dps that doesn't exist
round field
Try fellowship when it comes out
royal zenith
every raiding guild will only be doing weeklies with their guildies
you need ilvl + score to get invited
class won't matter
and/or communicate that you have 2p/4p
royal zenith
in week 1?
round field
I didnt invite boomies
royal zenith
that's interesting
marsh solar
why inv rogue when u can have dk
round field
Cause 95% of them are cripples
royal zenith
think you're missing the point
round field
Ur the reason this game is shit
royal zenith
but that's fine
round field
And people like u
quiet drift
ok, but i want instainv to keys
This never happens
marsh solar
im sorry for wanting my key to be timed easy and not struggle
urban crescent
just wanna play dev 💀
round field
"struggle"
marsh solar
how many aug did you inv this season?
serene elk
we took a buff?
urban crescent
idk i have been running ascension this whole time 💀
scenic mist
ascension is better if you cant have M BIS
round field
Its better
round field
You can buy 3?????
urban crescent
i already use my other 2
scenic mist
no you did good
round field
On fucking what
scenic mist
weapon is most likely your first craft of the season
urban crescent
on hero jastor and myth hoc
marsh solar
but are you guys palying boome in the 3k rating keys next season or switching to arc mage?
round field
Logging off until midnight
urban crescent
weapon is most likely your first craft of the season
ye true, usually u get a 1h up asap right?
round field
on hero jastor and myth hoc
Hero jastor 
urban crescent
thats what i did this tier
urban crescent
Hero jastor <:brothereww:1264951314941481033>
ye i only killed mythic gally like 3 weeks ago im noob
never got hero jastor once
:itsover:
we killed h gally like so many times
legit had 1 drop and i gave it to the mage
wild dune
but are you guys palying boome in the 3k rating keys next season or switching to...
if ur pugging you should heal anyways
6 gorillion dps in que and like 5 healers gg
urban crescent
is jastors getting nerfed in 11.2
round field
Probably not
marsh solar
if ur pugging you should heal anyways
i tried it, i can only heal prepacht tbc resto druid, with no cd 6target HoT