balance

[ionic oak]

...

[dense steeple]

we're not him

[night gulch]

am i bad

[dapper wing]

Yes your dog shit

[ionic oak]

big blatahs

blastahs

[night gulch]

W, thank you for keeping me in check

[dreamy locust]

Basically any log past 1st kill, useless

[dapper wing]

Mhmhm your welcome

[dreamy locust]

Real and based

[ionic oak]

i wanna be just like yall when i grow up

[lucid olive]

Sort boss dam

[ionic oak]

im scared to do that

[dapper wing]

Oh boss dam parses are fun

[dapper wing]

Mine go up

[night gulch]

my logs are better lol

[clever vigil]

im boss dam gamer ?

[dapper wing]

Big boss dam

Ethical gamer over here

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

@dense steeple should sort boss dam on the one he linked..

[dapper wing]

Yo Adept, How's lerson doing? He still playing Dev for yall

[clever vigil]

I mean this in the nicest way possible I don't notice that guy ever

[dapper wing]

Despair

[clever vigil]

so that's good

hes cool

[obsidian jetty]

somehow my boss dam allstar is higher than my normal allstar when I pad on every boss 🥀

[dense steeple]

you went up .1 on boss dam

[lucid olive]

But rank 1 tho

[dense steeple]

oh true

[lucid olive]

Without a single 100

[dense steeple]

mine also ascended

[ionic oak]

i need to read dreamgrove better

next tier

not .2

[lucid olive]

Next expansion for sure

That's your expansion

[ionic oak]

oh he said 12

[dreamy locust]

POV people who beg for farm PI's because numbers matter

[lucid olive]

I'm team toyoda

[night gulch]

surely the next rework will fix us

[dapper wing]

All the fotm is gone, get those MASSIVE Starfire crits and parse

[dreamy locust]

On useless content

[ionic oak]

no idea who that is

[merry crow]

No one is fotm Druid in raid lol

[lucid olive]

I do not get PI on any fight ever

[dense steeple]

the guy who begged for gamz who wasnt me in max stream

[lucid olive]

We give PI to our aug evoker

[dapper wing]

PI the tanks, let them parse

[lucid olive]

Because my guild likes to watch the world burn

We had a mage ragequit on farm this tier because the shadow priest macrod PI to the aug

[dapper wing]

hahaha

[lucid olive]

Like full on quit the guild mid raid and dipped

[dreamy locust]

We had an spriest ragequit last tier because he was asked to use VE

[lucid olive]

But yeah, our PI is either aug evoker or Wordup

And doesn't change

It also just doesn't matter cause PI on moonkin is dogshit anyway

Wtf are you gonna do with a PI when you're convoking and your CDs are complete random times

[ionic oak]

lol

[dreamy locust]

Im just of the opinion, who give a fook about farm parses anyways 🙂

But there are a ton of boomkins who beg for PI's for parses

Number should be 0 for every single log

[dapper wing]

I got pi a couple of times during prog and it was awful, losing genuinely 150k damage from a mage or someone else

It's so shit

[dreamy locust]

check leaderboard, 4-8 per boss

[dense steeple]

wanna know my opinion at parsing?

[dapper wing]

Who cares, boss died

[dense steeple]

useless

[ionic oak]

i dont wanna care. but... people know what i am saying?

[dense steeple]

if youre gonna wipe the raid to stroke off with your friends in your class discord

get out

[dreamy locust]

Plenty of apps with purple parses, get their prog logs checked

gray gray gray gray blue gray

[ionic oak]

one blue? you give me too much credit

[dense steeple]

sometimes you get that lucky blue prog parse

its not credit

its murpheys law

[dapper wing]

Sometimes your convoke only casts 3 Regrowths and you hit that mythical prog blue parse

[lofty depot]

felt real good r45 first kill of sprockey

proceeded to never have another top 100 parse

[dapper wing]

I peaked Week 1 in Heroic clear and it was all down hill from there

[lofty depot]

o well

[ionic oak]

fuhhhh i got 1 grey prog parse

mugzee

[merry crow]

I’d rather get every mechanic on prog and parse low

[dense steeple]

last time i cared about parses was uldir

[lofty depot]

fun tier, i was a mw

[dreamy locust]

I need those 38 lively spirit stacks cuhh

[dense steeple]

i fucked up ghuun real bad, tier ended. stopped caring

less stress now

[dapper wing]

Kill boss get HoF or CE be happy

So much easier

[dense steeple]

yup

[wary panther]

Hey guys, I'm crafting gloves, offhand and shoulders for embellishment switch with the patch. Should I do vers or acendance OH and writhing rest?

[dense steeple]

do what feels right

cause no one knows whats good

[merry crow]

I like striving to play my best too though

[dapper wing]

All the cantrips next season fuck crafting up so hard, we are all weird atm

[lofty depot]

if u get staff from 3rd boss u wont use OH so its vers embells.. but getting said staff when everyone wants it is gonna be fun

[wary panther]

Yeah...not sure we'll see much loot early on tbh

[lofty depot]

so it might be a craft staff angle first then wear bracer 681 til 3rd craft

[ionic oak]

staff, bracer. got it

[dapper wing]

Just don't craft right away and wait

Sit on the crafts

[dense steeple]

can do that without worrying about parse

[wary panther]

I have to craft now for the crests, I think I can recraft for embellishments though still

[lofty depot]

yea would wait a bit, if ur not in a hof guild u generally wait on info

[dapper wing]

Crafting NOW doesn't matter, just craft whatever gives you the most

[lofty depot]

yea should craft now

bracer, belt, boots, are the main ones

[dapper wing]

^

[lofty depot]

can wear boots til u get raid ones

belt is later thing with bracer when u get raid wep

[dapper wing]

Pretty much the biggest thing, is craft away from the back. Since you get that immediately

[wary panther]

I have most slots from earlier in tier, it's just cloak and shifting things around for options really

[final patio]

At what ilvl do you replace the delve belt?

or is it a circlet situation

[exotic perch]

when a new one sims better

[wary panther]

You want to have a new ring or crafted one ready to go since circlet gets gutted at patch

[dapper wing]

The Mystical Machine spirit tells you when to replace it

[lofty depot]

should have a crafted one already...... but theres good ones in m+

[wary panther]

Bold of you to assume I do m+

[lofty depot]

tragic

me neither

[wary panther]

This late in patch? I don't think I've done one in weeks heh

[stone ledge]

im late to the party we linkin logs?

[dapper wing]

Linking the only logs that matter

[stone ledge]

TRUE

[dense steeple]

got em

[stone ledge]

not bad for 1 season of learning and using wrong opener

[stone ledge]

run it

[ionic oak]

natures vigil?

[dense steeple]

im missing 2 fights 🙁

and only a 97 on gally

[timber grove]

normal is more important

[stone ledge]

i need cauldron - sprocket haha

[dense steeple]

oh apparently i was also only 660 ilvl on the 97 gally

i'll try to log it tomorrow i gotta run lfr gally anyway

[timber grove]

most people were probably around that when you killed it

[stone ledge]

wanna duo que it and see who can do more single target cause we already know those adds cant handle both our dots lmao

lets all que lfr all at once

parse run

[dapper wing]

16 boomkin run of lfr sounds lit

[stone ledge]

hit them quesa

[dapper wing]

Boss dies in convoke, 100 parse for everyone

[dense steeple]

my boy didnt see the heroic SoD boomkin murder of nerzhul

[dapper wing]

I love watching the class stacking shit

It's so stupid

[stone ledge]

did the boss get surged on?

[dense steeple]

god i cant find the video

[primal oriole]

What does natures vigil do for us vs just the heal it gives someone in our group

[dapper wing]

Heals for our damage

That's it

[lofty depot]

heals u too

[dapper wing]

Does Nature's Vigil have smart targetting

I actually don't remember

Or is it just random around you

[digital berry]

nothing smart about this spec

[stone ledge]

real talk for a sec, what makes the difference of a 95-98 parse average player to a 99-100 average, min maxing to the extreme and partially raid comp right

[dapper wing]

Genuinely, usually speed of kill

[lofty depot]

a little minmax a little luck

[stone ledge]

well skill of raaid

[digital berry]

comp / luck / fight timer

[stone ledge]

im over here like damn only 2.1 average starlord stacks im ass

[dreamy locust]

It depends on fight too

Aoe fights, worse your comp/guild is, better you can parse sometimes

Like solo boomy on stix

[dapper wing]

mhmhm

[dreamy locust]

https://tenor.com/Eq9X.gif

[digital berry]

ngl if things in s3 are going to be as they are rn, technically balance will have a little bit more skill expression

[dapper wing]

Solo Stix boomkin was an experience

[digital berry]

being forced to go EC and whatnot

[dapper wing]

The amount of hyenas biting my ass was not fun

[dreamy locust]

We 3 tanked, I was still getting chomped

But also.....

ever been recycled 3 times in a single pull?

[digital berry]

thats cause people cant be bothere rolling over them

[dreamy locust]

I think that might be a record I still hold to this day

[dense steeple]

did the nerzhul meme get wiped

cant find the video, cant find the log

[night gulch]

you still prob send keeper

because any movement ruins your day

[pulsar trout]

Sry I'm out of the loop are we dooming right?

[dapper wing]

No we are amazing, genuinely top 3 in the game 100%

[stone ledge]

nah we up fr

[dapper wing]

Big ups

[stone ledge]

gigantic ups

[dapper wing]

We are SO good that we are wrapping around to be shit again

[meager storm]

its pretty bad atm

[pulsar trout]

Tettles being eleshaman and naguura being irl we are out of political power to push any agenda

And max loving us as allways

So is rip then

Fun game

[topaz venture]

but guys spec is playable in m+ must be good and fun and balanced

:kappa:

[calm ibex]

Yeah honestly debaiting going dev

The dev we have could go feral and I’d just swap with them

[lofty depot]

we dont have political power to change anything

i promise, they tried

[nova ocean]

Like I don't even know wat they would do this late in ptr to fix us. They clearly don't want our 4pc to be strong and a aura buff doesn't actually fix anything

[calm ibex]

I mean they can just revert the spell power cap

And then it’d be good

But can keep the 2% instead of 3

And take away the aura

You can nerf something without gutting it

Or like make the spell power cap 15 and not fucking 6

I feel like this is a “we don’t want you to play demonology” moment and they just aren’t saying it outright lmao

Maybe I’m wrong who knows

[night gulch]

have you seen blizzard's balancing? super heavy handed

[calm ibex]

I’m aware that’s kinda the point of what I was saying

[nova ocean]

i know have tettles grandma in a cage until buffs

[covert coyote]

nan

[nova ocean]

the ball is in your court blizzard

[lofty depot]

tettles grandma isnt the person that should be in a cage

wait a second

[digital berry]

If they wanted balance to be playable they would make it playable

At this point chucking it to “ they don’t know how to balance us” is ridiculous

[covert coyote]

if they wanted balance to be balanced they would balance it

[digital berry]

Nerfing the raid hero tier set of a spec that has had abysmal st dps twice in a row is just kicking a bitch while it’s down

The first 40% was understandable but this latest 14% is literally just blizzard spitting in our faces

https://tenor.com/view/whats-was-the-reason-gif-11767044

[tulip snow]

imagine moonkin feedback posts

[digital berry]

They all gather around the monitor at blizzard hq and point and laugh

At the feedback post

[tulip snow]

"mark as read"

[dapper wing]

They do it each time we post one

[true viper]

They got my ass on feral gg

[round field]

[meager storm]

i got info they are reverting it before mythic comes out

[final patio]

[rugged epoch]

Hello all ! Can I ask at season 3 for m+ which is better elune or keeper?

[round field]

as it stands now

[vital hound]

delete character

[round field]

you play warlock

[exotic stump]

Firefrost mage

[rugged epoch]

lol never I will always be moonkin since day one!

[exotic stump]

Hades II is looking good then

[rugged epoch]

But appreciate the advice

[exotic stump]

Unironically though, Elune's Chosen for all content no matter what

[rugged epoch]

Ok ty

[iron chasm]

STOP IT

[fossil crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-tired-funny-as-hell-gif-20726556

[round field]

ok bootypoop

whatever u say

[royal zenith]

loool he said bootypoop

[round field]

ok dunce

whatever u say

[royal zenith]

loool he said dunce

Im watching the vod for the tierlist

gonna be fun

[ionic oak]

It took forever

[round field]

leak

its sub only

[royal zenith]

not on youtube

:>

[round field]

oooh

[gilded wolf]

Not if you have the right extension either

[round field]

oh ye right

thats a thing

[lavish breach]

New to balance, in raid talents when casting convoke is it better to be in melee or at range

[real flax]

wich one

[crisp scaffold]

Ok,balance is dead

[jaunty blaze]

Always has been

[jaunty blaze]

Doesn't matter a lot in melee its more likely it cast the occasional melee Ability afaik

[steel light]

current meta looks like we are far far away being S/A Tier or?

VDH+FDK+Arcane+Rdruid+Shadow/MM ?

[gilded wolf]

Twitchnosub

[fickle grail]

has to be like this

[real flax]

ty

[real flax]

they want us dead this patch, if they wanted to buff balance they already buffed it

[urban crescent]

is cat good at least

[round field]

no

[sudden flame]

Cat is good ye

[gilded wolf]

[meager storm]

they are simming for like 5.7

pretty decent imo

now will it be usable for last boss

who knows

[royal zenith]

[gilded wolf]

its all relative as to ur wr

sure its good enough for anything not top x

[gilded wolf]

praying resto is good enough so I don't have to play cat for st bosses

[royal zenith]

I would not want to log in if you're forced to cat

so yes prayge for resto

[haughty sluice]

We will get balanced eventually, it's even in the name of the spec

[round field]

thats good cope

[urban crescent]

whats wrong with the final boss

i have not looked at it

[urban crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-angry-gif-4572522491660128366

born to chicken forced to warlock....

[zenith goblet]

Remember we sacrifice tettles for druid buffs

[royal zenith]

yeah Im still down for that

don't let him read this

[urban crescent]

i actually enjoy cat so am i good or is cat also looking really bad

[plucky valley]

If you’re like a hardcore CE raider then it’s time to reroll off Druid NO CAP ! Otherwise you’ll still be slaying versace boots the house down fr

[sudden flame]

[urban crescent]

sorry i don't understand what you are saying

again in english?

[urban crescent]

what do i do if i'm the druid buff

[plucky valley]

Pass away most likely, in game of course

[urban crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[zenith goblet]

If you’re the only druid buff

Fake dc every raid

[urban crescent]

fire emoji

[plucky valley]

Sync your log out timer with the pull timer

Precasting logout is the first step to reverse parsing

[urban crescent]

got it, thanks beast

will make sure i insta logout when we hit the pull timer

[round field]

No vers buff > having a boomie in the roster

[maiden pasture]

when does patch come out for NA

[jade flume]

Chewsday innit

[primal grove]

does anyone know if there's a bis list out for 11.2 yet?

[scarlet tapir]

yes so u basically

everytime u get an item

you go to raidbots and sim it

[misty glade]

I'm sure wowhead will force tettles to make something for content, but regardless, you should always Sim your gear

[primal grove]

well yeah, but I ment any list of the "probably" best items from ptr

according to raid/m+ testing

[digital berry]

No such thing

It’s pointless to strive for one very specific list

Get anything that has mastery and then sim for the other secondary

[primal grove]

not really? for weapons, trinkets, crafts bis lists are a good guidance

otherwise ofc i sim for stats

[wild dune]

bis lists are dumb

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-griffin-yapping-yap-yapping-pretentious-gif-9955324965341694991

[primal grove]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-15313749163340250467

[digital berry]

Once patch and s3 rolls around you can check the compendium

They will put some tier lists from trinkets and such

[wild dune]

you get 5 slots to think about, pick the ones that sim highest, gg

[merry crow]

Ring?

[orchid ember]

There's a ring that gives a damage absorb

[lament sigil]

@royal zenith thoughts on stacking haste if i have to cast starfire

[royal zenith]

zero thoughts

log out

!

[jaunty blaze]

no thoughts

head empty

[cloud plover]

YESSSSSSS

[digital berry]

If kotg is 300k behind ec its probably still a play kotg angle

[cloud plover]

0 haste full crit mastery vers ec gameplay

[digital berry]

Since ec sims are un achievable

Especially in prog

[calm ibex]

Nooo don’t curse us to this fate!

[cloud plover]

i will because i WANT this fate

[formal crest]

You’re bald

[royal zenith]

lollll a sprout

[warm owl]

last tier set change reverted yet?

[wild dune]

no

[warm owl]

[digital berry]

Soon

[formal crest]

I’ll have you know I’m literally the 5th best balance Druid in the world

[digital berry]

Under which metric of judgement

[wild dune]

sure old man

lets get you back to bed

[formal crest]

I do not answer to soys. (No judgement)

[formal crest]

you cannot silence me

[digital berry]

I am proud of my heritage you can’t being me down

[formal crest]

I’m rooting for you

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gotg-guardians-of-the-galaxy-i-am-groot-groot-gif-10982027

[digital berry]

Well next season I’ll be 1 of 6 balance players

Surely all 100 parses

[rain pebble]

based

[exotic stump]

Getting for that just made me irrationally angry

[cloud plover]

hehe :3

[calm ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[patent vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5dp7fWUHwA5uZdjUp2JeJb

simming quite low huh

[pallid bay]

Nice

Your class talents suck

[stuck meadow]

i think the fullmoon build isnt right

xD

[patent vessel]

wdym, this is a great build

[stuck meadow]

click the live above this channel and find talents

[patent vessel]

(I tried to conjure the worst possible build)

inverse theorycrafting

[rain pebble]

that's just sandbagging

[pallid bay]

Yeah the APL makes some assumptions about build quality

[scarlet tapir]

tried being funny (char isnt even high enough ilvl to be funny)

[patent vessel]

😭

[gilded wolf]

[vagrant prawn]

will we be playing stellar flare in raid now with the nerfs?

[devout hazel]

Gosh guys who's ready to press starfire in raid over and over

[cloud plover]

Hi

[misty glade]

Kill me if true

[scenic mist]

no, EC doesnt play flare

this is the current ptr build

[rain pebble]

I tried playing trees for like 2 bosses and then made an EC build for raid on live already so I'm good

[devout hazel]

Any shot you could post the import code for it, i wanna grab it so i got it

[devout hazel]

Oh boy, im in for an awfully fun tier!

[scenic mist]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5B8Abr4N4rjM869Hnbfyf8

[rain pebble]

moon > sun

[scenic mist]

oh you meant the build
CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBMzCLzMDzwMLzsMz2M2MzMmZWMLjxMDbYhBYssNzGGz2IwEAAAgFmxAsZgB

(that is not me screaming in there)

[cloud plover]

Mushroom

There's not mush room for improvement there

[scenic mist]

[glass meteor]

Have not paid attention to anything for 2 months, is it over for us next patch or are we so fkin back

[rain pebble]

people dooming like crazy

[lofty depot]

read the pin

[glass meteor]

Sucks to be a treeman

[lofty depot]

were chickens

[glass meteor]

So my damage will no longer be as big as my BMI?

unlucky

[rain pebble]

become starelf

[loud kettle]

im not dooming

[glass meteor]

As long as its not as bad as TWW launch pre buff, im fine with it

[jaunty blaze]

worse probably

[glass meteor]

It cant be that bad lmfao

like, even with KOTG destroyed, EC should still be just fine id assume

[lofty depot]

casting 2s spells is not pog

[scenic mist]

fine

[lofty depot]

theres a reason frost usually sims pretty high and isnt played

[jaunty blaze]

burden of execution for ec is higher so numbers most likely not even attainable

[glass meteor]

does this take into account Flap raid value?

[scenic mist]

it does

[glass meteor]

its over...

[lofty depot]

takes in moonfire slow raid value

massive stonks

[rain pebble]

the dooming claims another

[glass meteor]

i hope i can get into the raid group for reflecting prism value...

[jaunty blaze]

why are evoker sims not out

are we holding something back

[solemn idol]

Because they're not done cooking probably

[lofty depot]

theyre scared to post the 6.2

[jaunty blaze]

real

[glass meteor]

Dunno ladz, I feel the boomie buff coming

1 month in, suddenly BAM + 40% damage

[jaunty blaze]

what does it matter

even if they aura buff you will still spam starfire in raid

[rain pebble]

based

[jaunty blaze]

might aswell cast chaos bolts

[lofty depot]

i mean u likely play keeper

its just shit

[glass meteor]

You spam starfire, I watch a 6 hour documentary about paint drying while mashing 2 buttons

we are not the same

[jaunty blaze]

you can also just do that and only press 1 button

[lofty depot]

this seems like a far easier apl hm

[jaunty blaze]

but frost isnt much more hype either

ngl

[lofty depot]

do u not see the .react

im reacting

[jaunty blaze]

at least numbi big

[lofty depot]

big reaction

[slim iris]

Stockholm syndrome

[loud kettle]

frost mages discovered .react? Big tech

[glass meteor]

I guess the better question is, when is the next pointless balance rework coming?

[jaunty blaze]

yeah

soon

for sure

[glass meteor]

we get 1 every expansion or so

[lofty depot]

dad can u answer cuz gamz ignore

if they set react=2

is it 1s or 2s

he ignore too

smh

[rain pebble]

was never a fan of this eclipse stuff I liked BFA more but at least with EC you can mostly ignore it

[loud kettle]

React=2 should just be 2s

default is 0.5 iirc

[jaunty blaze]

where did all the ec salesmen come from suddenly

[lofty depot]

correct

i just didnt know if it was 2x0.5

or if it was setting it to 2

[loud kettle]

oh yea its all just in seconds

doing math would be too hard

[lofty depot]

so true

big reaction time

[loud kettle]

no thats if stacks = 5

[lofty depot]

oh

im tilted

oh yea it says buff.

kek

apl fun

[loud kettle]

0.5s reaction time on icicles being at 5 stacks

[clever vigil]

@lofty depot thanks for learning so i don't have to

[lofty depot]

i watch preheat video and he doesnt tell me what to do if 4 with fof and flurry so i gotta read

its ok, mage has research channel

[loud kettle]

AFAIK, react is just a global variable, you cant change it for each line

you can change it but it would affect every line

[lofty depot]

yea i read the buff thing then ignored it

and then thought it was chanign the time

lifes hard

[loud kettle]

It do be hard

[lofty depot]

#weignoring

[cold sparrow]

-#

Is it safe

[lofty depot]

idk, im surprised feral hasnt started a civil war

[loud kettle]

civil war over what

[cold sparrow]

Oh yeah I need to show them the candle holder I got

Thanks for reminding me

[lofty depot]

tettles

[loud kettle]

Oh nobody trusts moonkins anyway

[lofty depot]

ight, war

[loud kettle]

haha

[lofty depot]

[loud kettle]

Tettles sandbagged for us so

a w really

[lofty depot]

trueeeeeeeeee. hes helping

[dense steeple]

he didnt help i nthe right way tbh

[cloud plover]

[delicate shuttle]

Where does this come from?

[scenic mist]

this is ulria's work in progress sheet

[loud kettle]

paywalled Google spreadsheet

[delicate shuttle]

No way I'm paying for that lel

[lofty depot]

u dont have to lol

he posts it when patch goes live usually

[loud kettle]

Even if he didnt it would just get leaked anyway

[dense steeple]

its already leaked

ive SEEN it

[tacit oriole]

So we are going with Elune Chosen for raid until they fix Keeper set bonus?

[dense steeple]

its not broken

[jaunty blaze]

go with the vibes

[dense steeple]

nothing to fix

[jaunty blaze]

do what you feel

[crisp scaffold]

I chose to reroll ,you should too ,till they buff it

[lucid oriole]

recently checked EC on Ptr in does good dmg 😄

in single

[crisp scaffold]

it does 4mil ?

[lofty depot]

it does like 5 if ur standign still no mechanics

theres mutliple classes 20% above that

[crisp scaffold]

and if u move ?

3mil ?

L((

[lofty depot]

idk prob 4.5

[lucid oriole]

yes 4 - 4.5 stable

[lofty depot]

yea thats not good

[lucid oriole]

it would be around 5.5 with back feet and ring

[lofty depot]

objectively wrong

u can run a sim and see it not at that

it does 5.2 with pi it aint hitting 5.5

[tight anchor]

back from summer holidays. Are we playing GroveK or Elunes in M+? What about raid?

[lofty depot]

ec

both are shit in raid. keeper got taken out back but ull likely play it cuz ec is cringier

[tight anchor]

Alrighty! thx mate 🙂 Trying to find a main for S3. No idea what to pick 😅

[lofty depot]

i mean, eventually it will get buffed

[tight anchor]

for sure. I like the moon theme with EC. Feels coolio

[rain pebble]

real, fuck trees

[lofty depot]

big themers

[tight anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/trees-full-moon-animation-gif-9647856669432201129

[digital berry]

Realistically kotg will probably outdps ec

In raid

[scarlet tapir]

cause the api is not ready

its not rocket science

its simming around 6M with pi i think

but theres some weird shit with cancel auras being tested

[pallid bay]

Api

[lucid olive]

A3.14

[scarlet tapir]

apl

if i wronte apI u wouldnt know its api

[nova ocean]

Can't wait for them to nerf s2 tier cause s3 keeper tier is bad

[true viper]

i wish they gave atleast some dev note toward any of the tier set changes

[cloud citrus]

pretty sure they made the tier set like it is now so it doesnt scale out of control if they aura buff us

like if their plan atm for boomy wasnt to give us a huge aura buff for KotG i would be very surprised

[digital berry]

If they aura buff us

Ec will still be the play for st

Or at least it will still out sim kotg

[cloud citrus]

not if they buff wrath i guess

90% on wrath please

[digital berry]

Wrath does such pitiful dmg that they’d have to buff it by a LOT for it to matter

[cloud citrus]

very glad feral looking good though 😄

[covert coyote]

yea so glad

[digital berry]

Won’t catch me playing that

[lucid olive]

they could have done that without touching the 4pc cap

the 4pc cap doesn't care about an aura buff

it is scaled to your intellect

just changing the dmg it pools from 3% to 2% and not touching the cap would put the tier set as about the same value as EC

[digital berry]

They just wanted to gut us and they did it

There’s no logic behind their actions whatsoever

Absolutely none

Hence why there is no dev note

[lucid olive]

they just wanted to kill the set and then aura buff us, but didn't realize the implications of that no matter how much they were told

but we are for sure looking at an aura buff sometimes

my gut feeling is next thursday after patch comes out

and then the week of the raid launch

[digital berry]

What are the chances that they’d revert the nerfs ? Like actually

[lucid olive]

whether that is 1 or 2 days into the raid launch who knows

[cloud citrus]

they wont

[lucid olive]

probably 0% chance they revert the nerf to anything other than the 4pc cap

[jaunty blaze]

pretty sure close to 0

[lucid olive]

i could see them reverting the cap, or increasing it from 6x to another random value (spin the wheel/dart board method)

[jaunty blaze]

dart board goes up to 20 thats not so bad

[cloud citrus]

tripple 20!

[frosty slate]

if we have to play eluna all tier i think im a hunter main

[digital berry]

You don’t have to

[cloud citrus]

bro playing elune st is going to be....

[digital berry]

In fact you’re probably gonna have higher dps as kotg

[jaunty blaze]

you likely wont but you will do abyssmal damage either way

[cloud citrus]

a lot of fights dont have much movement though

and any cleave fight does pretty well for EC

[digital berry]

Stacked cleave

[noble quarry]

elune playstyle too boring

[cloud citrus]

i think kotg might be good for the 3 fights that have damage amps

[frosty slate]

its still fucking ass

[lucid olive]

not really

[frosty slate]

like max boring, rather watch paint dry

[lucid olive]

can you think of a single raid fight the last 2 tiers where EC would be good

except for Silken Court

[nova ocean]

The

[lucid olive]

cause you played it there

[nova ocean]

Was gonna say lol

[frosty slate]

it was close on silken

[nova ocean]

It was

[lofty depot]

buffed

[cloud citrus]

i played it in silken is was like 30% behind on st then kotg

if its ahead??

[jaunty blaze]

8 take it or leave it

[covert coyote]

oh shit thats huge

[lucid olive]

yes but that fight is one of a kind 2 target council fight

[cloud citrus]

im pretty sure a lot of gights will be EC

[lucid olive]

the only fight it would be good on this tier is the demon hunter one

but that is a meme fight early in the raid

[frosty slate]

the "optional fight is pretty consistent cleave maybe

[nova ocean]

Ya demon hunter is definitely better with the nerfs to keeper

[scenic mist]

the 3rd encounter too ig with regular 2mob spawn

[lofty depot]

ovinax

[nova ocean]

It's essentially not optional anymore anyway

[lofty depot]

🙂

[lucid olive]

i played EC in testing on that

trust me it was not very good

the problem is like

EC is very good in stacked cleave

but the dmg is all Starfire

[scenic mist]

no but EC gains more value than kotg in this setup was the goal post

[lucid olive]

and you also need to have the mobs dotted to do any damage at all

and in raid whenever adds are stacked on a priority target

the melee meat grinder just shreds them before you can dot and finish a Starfire cast

[nova ocean]

Last boss has a two target phase doesn't it

[cloud citrus]

pretty sure EC being 300-400k higher in st means any cleave makes it instantly better.

not matter how much it gets reduced by movement

[lucid olive]

doesn't make it good enough to be brought

[pallid bay]

EC just kinda blows

[cloud citrus]

because no fight in the next tier has a bunch of movement

[pallid bay]

its that simple

[lucid olive]

EC damage profile just sucks for raid in general

[cloud citrus]

yea noone like EC i hate EC

[pallid bay]

either you have consistent multitarget and EC is good

or EC is bad

[lucid olive]

and whether EC is good in raid compared to Keeper is like

[cold sparrow]

I like it

[lucid olive]

you can debate it sure both prob have values

but you need to be better than another druid spec

[scenic mist]

GL with EC, i'm going to the ennemy

[lucid olive]

to even be brought to raid

[cold sparrow]

I'm also a ho for moon stuff

[cloud citrus]

my man noones removing their boomies for being low dps in like any guild that isnt top 50 or shouldnt be anyway

[lucid olive]

and if you're in the crowd that's on a lower world rank you don't have to really care about much of it anyway cause they will probably fix the issues at like week 12 anyway

[lofty depot]

dimensius could 👀

[jaunty blaze]

week 12

[scenic mist]

we're 31

[cloud citrus]

ye time to reroll feral dude

[lucid olive]

there is for sure a bunch of movement in the raid fights

like random swirlies that spawn

[cold sparrow]

Omg congrats! Dirty thirties~

[lucid olive]

"walk here with X mechanic"

shit like that

[scenic mist]

they have me play lock instead

[cloud citrus]

o thats fine lock really fun tbh

like demo feels so fun to play

[lofty depot]

i gotchu

im walkin

[cloud citrus]

still very excite the whokle next tier looks so much fun

even if boomy not the best

[jaunty blaze]

dunno

hype is kill with that

[lucid olive]

the m+ dungeons look fun and they did some good changes recently on that

raid looks banger

i'll probably have a lot of fun playing my alts

[cloud citrus]

ye mythic+ gonna be fun too

cause you can gear alts so quick

[lucid olive]

yeah until they release turbo boost 2: electric boostaloo and ruin it again

[lofty depot]

tahts called legion remix

[cloud citrus]

ye that sucked all my 672 alts just got murdered

[jaunty blaze]

wdym you didnt want to farm 500 crests again

[lucid olive]

i liked the idea of turbo boost a lot, but then it launched and i had to get evoker, warlock and moonkin to 683

and i just hit the wall

[jaunty blaze]

[cloud citrus]

ye

i actually found it so much fun my entire guild just spamming keys again for a week

speed running 12s and stuff

[lucid olive]

we have groups set up for next reset to spam m0 for champion trinkets and shit too

thatll be fun

[cloud citrus]

man i have no been a guild that has done that for a long time

[scenic mist]

doing the same, cant wait

[royal zenith]

yeah love m0 spam

my favorite!!

[lucid olive]

well its weekly lockout so

[royal zenith]

can't wait for delving either!!!

[scenic mist]

way better feels than reclear tho

[lucid olive]

for sure

[scenic mist]

the 8 delves are indeed a dread

[jaunty blaze]

leveling delves into 8 delves

[lucid olive]

its something to do on the off week

[jaunty blaze]

yay

[cloud citrus]

i enjoy delves

[royal zenith]

coping

[lucid olive]

delves are okay

just put on podcast or movie other monitor

[cloud citrus]

speed running delves is fun

[scenic mist]

2k undercoins on 3 char isnt fun to farm

[cloud citrus]

was doing like 2 minute undermine delves

[scenic mist]

was not a fun ride

[lucid olive]

[lofty depot]

what the

[lucid olive]

yeah i did 2 runs for fun

my guardian runs were all in Mechagon with 3 mages to get our guildie the wrists

only boss over 100 pulls was Bandit

what a tier

[scenic mist]

0.09

beat that

[lofty depot]

our was 0.23 :/

0.09 is tough

one of the rfwl people wiped on gally at like 0.36

[lucid olive]

well mine was heroic mugzee

the warrior found out the hard way you can't leap over the cluster of mines that spawn at the end

led to a Draco meltdown shouting "i fucking hate warriors with their big dumb fucking axe"

which in turn has become our warriors discord name

[scenic mist]

how many OAB pulls is that ?

[lucid olive]

167

[scenic mist]

ouch

[lucid olive]

yeah we inted

[scenic mist]

we had 117 on mugzee, including around 20 after the 0.09 pull

[lofty depot]

based and true

[lucid olive]

93 on mugzee

Was on wednesday right after reset, we showed up and raid lead was like "yeah we're still gonna be here on sunday probably" doomer mode before first pull

then I say "no guys we need some positive vibes this is dead in 2 pulls"

Second pull of the night it was dead

Common Gamz W

[pallid bay]

boss used to be harder

[meager storm]

sorry if they havent reverted it yet, they were waiting for me to wake up

changes soon

[true viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575076378240876556/1399194163014139998/flight-flight-not-laughing.gif

[royal zenith]

on a saturday?

that would be something

[strong bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-the-cap-cap-laugh-video-reaction-youtuber-gif-18293251

[meager storm]

forgot it was saturday

[lofty depot]

coming into the office to make dak happy

[meager storm]

changes monday

i believe

[drifting nova]

no work monday

[meager storm]

i will make them work monday

[night gulch]

you're going to make them work, but the work is just nerfing us more

[lofty depot]

wait, adept ping barack last week. Hes coming on the 4th to help

[meager storm]

wait

[lofty depot]

uhoh, could get worse

[meager storm]

i was about to do a joke

but

i will play my horse game instead

[lofty depot]

im watching mages yap

or rather, listening

[royal zenith]

what are they yapping about

[lofty depot]

about mage duh

[meager storm]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNCMMSMK7WZ48ACN0YYFGSCR/4x.avif

[meager storm]

me after changes

[royal zenith]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNCMMSMK7WZ48ACN0YYFGSCR/4x.avif

[lofty depot]

they were talking about class tree changes, talking aobut raid items now

[meager storm]

if we evert get changes im rage baiting the cats again

maybe the mm hunters as well

[mighty plank]

Hello

[meager storm]

hello

[mighty plank]

Im on word leave, waiting to get back to work in the forest

Bipolar visions took me out of work

🛸

[meager storm]

wtf is he saying

[lofty depot]

im on word leave

gotta decipher one sec

[lucid olive]

work leave from a mental break because of bipolar

works in forest

maybe lumberer?

[meager storm]

[mighty plank]

Roving utility arborist

[lucid olive]

yeah same thing

[mighty plank]

I had visions for like 7 months. Most were joyous.

[lucid olive]

hope you're doing good buddy

have several bipolar friends, just take care of yourself and stuff

[mighty plank]

Wow! It's like the best job

[lofty depot]

visions have only been out for liek 2 months tho, hm

[mighty plank]

I been out of work for a month collecting sick and vacation pay. Taking my Traq next week

[royal zenith]

wish arctic was this open about his issues

[lofty depot]

which ones?

[royal zenith]

stay strong ronin

[austere breach]

reinstalled wow all addons etc missing and I cant remember this one addon or wa. It made the nameplate green if it had moonfire + sunfire, was customisable. anyone remember the name? im losing it

im using kui nameplates but i remember it was not plater

[lofty depot]

https://wago.io/vEreTIlEr

but its plater so idk

[austere breach]

yeah it wasnt for plater since I have never used it, idk

[mighty plank]

Doing my best. It's so weird cause I had the best 7 months then now I need to question how much of that was real joy

[austere breach]

found it, it was KUI target helper

[meager storm]

but mm is dobby

[mighty plank]

[ionic oak]

What key lvl was that?

[royal zenith]

they usually test 19's/20's

kira's group that is

[ionic oak]

Mvp. Thank you

[meager storm]

a 20

[covert coyote]

5th is the moonkin

or healer, could be either one

[pallid bay]

this guy has finally swapped to feral

[scarlet tapir]

smart

[fiery veldt]

so genuinely curious if anyones rerolling and to wat?

[scarlet tapir]

whoever is rerolling is playing either warlock or some other broken shit

[pallid bay]

rerolling is for people who enjoy the game

[scarlet tapir]

only fotm

bet you 10 trillion zimbabue dollars oi is playing destro on prog

[lofty depot]

mage, lock, dev is the boomkin pipeline

[swift elbow]

Tettles back to dev? 😛

[scarlet tapir]

was he ever on dev

[royal zenith]

nope

only aug

[scarlet tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[swift elbow]

Well we have ended up being a meta spec for alot of the last few years so we’ll get some help once people cry enough about “Kyrian druids” oh wrong expansion xD

[lofty depot]

m+ meta is a pretty cringe way to look at balance of classes

[swift elbow]

Why? It’s easier to play the game if people think your spec is good - 100% easier to get into groups as dps if you are one of the “good ones” compared to the off meta specs 😛 If you got a raid spot and can get into pugs when your own group is not around is that not the dream?

[wintry scroll]

gg

[lofty depot]

because the perception that u can only take the top 3 dps that the r1 people are using is crazy when 99% of people dont push past 16

[pallid bay]

bro been endlessly farming the dummy just to be left in the dumpster..

[digital berry]

Ok but who cares about weekly 10s

[upper anvil]

the vast majority of players dont even do 12s

[digital berry]

And pugging towards title is demented

[swift elbow]

You are right of cause, but when people want meta classes for +2s well then it’s still easier 😛

[lofty depot]

thats a perception problem and those people are dumb

[digital berry]

If you can’t get into 2s run your own or make friends

[lofty depot]

run ur own key if u have trouble getting into keys

[digital berry]

Whether your class is meta or not shouldn’t matter unless you want title

And people who want title will almost always reroll to the same 5 specs anyway to use the strongest comp cause why wouldn’t you

[lofty depot]

i spam 150+ keys in the first 2 weeks (this season, last, and s3 of DF). u can get into keys no matter how good ur class is precieved at that time

[swift elbow]

I have a group I play with so sure - but for anyone who relies on pugging that statement is just tone deaf xD it’s the entire reason people are crying for a solo Q that will NEVER work xD

[lofty depot]

then after that, then my guild we played vdh, hpal, ww, udk, fire pushing to 15s

[digital berry]

People who rely on pugging are gonna encounter the problems that relying on pugging brings

More at 12

There’s no escaping that, but there’s a lot of ways you can mitigate it

[lofty depot]

one of my old guildies played holy M+ all tier

didnt have problems

[swift elbow]

Hpriest or Hpal?

[lofty depot]

priest

[swift elbow]

That’s dedication xD

[rain pebble]

I don't pretend to play at a high enough level or with enough skill where meta matters - I cleared all +16s on Ret and called it a season. I just pick what I want to play based on vibes and attachment to characters.
So I'll keep my balance as alt for the season.

[lofty depot]

hes like rank 2-3 or some shit

ope hes not anymore

he was. now rank 4

[strong bronze]

There are many nuances into determening whats good for high keys

But most people could get title as any spec , as long as you bash your head

[swift elbow]

But the view of the community (and by extension people who believe in Max’s video or Tettles Dooming) changes how easy it is for certain specs to play the pugging game (which is irrelevant for people doing 15s and mythic raiding true)

[strong bronze]

For every 1 off meta spec in lfg , you will get about 5-6 mages apply to your key and most of the time you will just take the mage anyway

[rain pebble]

stop pugging and join No Pressure or something tbh

[lofty depot]

if that was the case, azor wouldve put MM higher

that shit dont matter

[lofty depot]

there are plenty of times in LFG groups that people specifically say NO META specs

or no aug

[strong bronze]

I mostly saw no aug groups when aug was meta , but even then the problem with lfg trying to copy rank 1 strats

Is they dont understand the reasoning behind why certain spec is brought

Or meta specs to be more specific

[royal zenith]

no point in worrying about the meta the first few weeks of the new tier

people are going to be doing weeklies for gear

that's it

[strong bronze]

Meta is defined in the .5 patch anyway

[lucid olive]

fuck this thing

[royal zenith]

not really into that, sorry

[lofty depot]

do not fuck the animals

[rain pebble]

hide your travel forms

[lofty depot]

u think he wants to fuck that one or?

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/nepunator-cat-grandma-kick-gif-4767192617115356281

[proper sinew]

Nah, everyone knows pug mages are completely dogshit

[exotic stump]

Ok but there is a question to be asked there

Where

[ripe slate]

❓

[exotic stump]

Where do you think you go if you wanna do what Gamz said

Front end, back end, below

[full urchin]

Whos a good boomy streamer, switching to boomy full time and just kinda curious and wanna watch

[lofty depot]

dwilkz, tarisant, tettles, krona

but u might be hardpressed to see any of them playing it at the start of next tier

[full urchin]

Ok thank you

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[maiden pasture]

this question has been asked plenty times about lillia im sure u can find it

[lofty depot]

league players smh

[obsidian tapir]

the sims right now

we sandbagg again ? goddamn

[meager storm]

no

we are eating sand

at this point

[obsidian tapir]

😂🤣

[meager storm]

[obsidian tapir]

crazy shamy was in the same position, petko made a video and they got buffed instantly

[placid vault]

How is warlock that overtuned

[meager storm]

what is new

[nova ocean]

Ya if only tettles would make videos like petko

Hence cage

[rose epoch]

Is that 5.2 ec even real, when I checked what tettles linked on Twitter it had PI enabled and without it it was 5.07 or smth

Unless PI is the new default for sims

[lofty depot]

kalamazi*

[meager storm]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5NNvpryRLRH2AqAHCUmL5q

still dogsht tho

[rose epoch]

Either that or I'm just dumb and something else got turned off instead when I redid the Sim without PI and it was off all along

[lofty depot]

smh missing 30k dps

[loud kettle]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5a4zhwREd1sDGojRLM9qEY true...

sandbaggers...

[lofty depot]

type shit

hes doing it right in front of me

wtf

[sudden flame]

starfire higher than starsurge is actually tragic

[placid vault]

where is this from

[digital berry]

Its cause blizzard hates balance and stopped trying to hide it a long time ago

[obsidian jetty]

starfire is starsurge

[sudden flame]

"feral victim complex btw"

[lofty depot]

wheres the lie?

[jade arrow]

:caught:

[loud kettle]

theres no lie

[night gulch]

the victim complex isn't complaining when blizzard makes your class shit, its when you complain about other specs of your same class in relation to yours

[loud kettle]

it just turns out every spec has a victim complex, stinky wow players

[lofty depot]

true

[digital berry]

40% nerf into 15% nerf is WILD considering after the first nerf we were on the lower end still

Also feral deserves to have a victim complex

As much as i hate the spec it’s just never decent

[real flax]

if they buff some shit of the moonkin (i don't think so) for sure will be EC

[meager storm]

oh they have to buff at some point

we will jsut see what they do

[digital berry]

Unless they change kotg tier set ec will be the best spec for raid

[real flax]

this is sad af

[lofty depot]

was decent s3 df

nt tho

[digital berry]

I guess they could buff wrath by 500%

That would make us play kotg

[real flax]

or rework the moons and make them fun for st

[marsh zenith]

think im re roling guys!

[lofty depot]

"get nerfed fuggn sandbaggers"

[digital berry]

We’d just play moon in ec

[loud kettle]

would be hilarious if EC still won

[real flax]

i don't know if i like it or not

[loud kettle]

and ec just used wrath

[meager storm]

that would make us never starfire on aoe till idk how many targets

[digital berry]

That would legit be hilarious fr fr

[real flax]

was a time when wrath was worth it instead of starfire in lunar eclipse right?

[loud kettle]

untalent lunar calling

what even is the node with it

[digital berry]

Smth tragically bad

[obsidian jetty]

your tierset requires you cast starfire

[wicked shuttle]

Stellar Command

[obsidian jetty]

so would have to be quite the wrath buff to outweight the teirset

[wicked shuttle]

Shit is garbage

[loud kettle]

oh yea it does gg

[digital berry]

The only real viable way to make us play kotg in raid is to do smth to the kotg tier set

[meager storm]

15x or 20x

i believe

[real flax]

bring back stellar drift prerework and it's fine

[meager storm]

they can do it

[digital berry]

Or just revert both the changes they made

We were at like what, 5.4

I’ll take that

[loud kettle]

tuning the cap is weird

[meager storm]

5.5

[loud kettle]

it shouldnt even be reachable

[digital berry]

5.5 perfect middle of the pack

Why would they fucking nerf us

[lofty depot]

oh great theyre impeding on my dummy

[digital berry]

Over demo

It just doesn’t make any sense

[obsidian jetty]

15/20x cap with aura buff, makes us play keeper I'm psure. Before 15x was like 5.4m sim with 2p change and 3% to cap, now it'll be alil lower with 2% to cap, but should still be ahead of EC

[obsidian tapir]

raid bots

[meager storm]

real make it 50x so we cap during amps only holy i like how the ferals think

[real flax]

still not meta in m+ and resto too strong

[loud kettle]

++