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#balance
plucky valley
lofty depot
think 3hour is more the avg of a CE guild
dreamy locust
2 day guild, with mandatory 3rd day first 3 weeks, and extra hours/days added when close
lofty depot
cuz right ur talking about the 2kwr people up to like 500 wr
cloud citrus
we dont add those days though because people just log off
dreamy locust
Im all for play the game if you having fun, do your overtime
cloud citrus
a long time ago we tried it but those extra days end up being so destrimental
dreamy locust
But lot of guilds just catfishing these days per week
lofty depot
i mena people just troll people that do extra hours for thing
dreamy locust
Really just a 3 day guild or 4 day guild that do 1 day less for farm
royal zenith
is it really catfishing
or is it just a schedule
cause you have to post something
lofty depot
but lik blasion guild went from like 4 day to raid til the tuesday hof goes away
think they did like 10days in a row
or planned onit
dreamy locust
Ghost gaming sponsored overtime
I mean, If you raiding for 3 days a week, for multiple weeks on raid start, and everytime you are close to a boss kill
you should just call yourself a 3 day guild
not a 2 day with scheduled overtime
cloud citrus
i always did it by hours tbh
lofty depot
id be surprised if there was a more than idk 10 or 20 guild niche that is a 2day raiding guild that adds a day in the first 3 weeks
cloud citrus
you could raid 1 hour a day for 7 days and be less then a 2 day guild
dry compass
but lik blasion guild went from like 4 day to raid til the tuesday hof goes away
4-day guild btw
jade flume
Most of the tier we only raid 1 day technically
royal zenith
I think it's something you decide in the moment and is vibes based
jade flume
We only do 4 for prog
dreamy locust
id be surprised if there was a more than idk 10 or 20 guild niche that is a 2day...
This applies to any amount of days per week guild, Just using numbers off the dome
orchid ember
why does it matter
royal zenith
we do 2 weeks of one extra heroic day
lofty depot
This applies to any amount of days per week guild, Just using numbers off the do...
sure but it would be a 3 or 4 day guild adding a day for just splits
cloud citrus
we are all bored and having a conversation
royal zenith
and if nerfs to a boss fuck up your chances in rank, why not add 1 extra day in the week you can get CE
I dunno don't think it's a big deal
lofty depot
doesnt matter, u might think its cringe or w.e. but doesnt effect u unless ur in hof prob
dry compass
Pull count and time-in-combat is way more important than days/wk anyway
dreamy locust
I just think its normalized weird behavior
lofty depot
welcome to mythic raiding
dreamy locust
At end of day, doesnt harm anyone, Do whats fun
cloud citrus
Mandatory Fun Night is sundays
lofty depot
doing splits could be considered weird behavior
dry compass
Raiding in general has an extremely weird normalized culture
orchid ember
Idk I think it varies guild by guild tbh
dreamy locust
But lot of HOF guilds basically say we raid 3 days a week, 12 hrs, but raid 4 days a week and 16 hours
orchid ember
and I couldn't care less
cloud citrus
man 16 hours is huge
lofty depot
But lot of HOF guilds basically say we raid 3 days a week, 12 hrs, but raid 4 da...
then it avgs back down when u kill all the bosses in 1 day for 4 months
ezpz
dreamy locust
cloud citrus
new tier is fun new prog is fun
dreamy locust
and real
royal zenith
I think it's particularly funny with 3 day guilds though, that chase hof
if they add extra time
cloud citrus
may aswell smash it while noones burnt out
royal zenith
cause 3 days already is quite a lot 
dreamy locust
may aswell smash it while noones burnt out
I mean, when joining a guild you should have your guild fit what you want to do
At HOF level
If your a vibes guild, do what works
cloud citrus
that would work for normal people but rostered shift jobs dont really allow this a lot of the time
dreamy locust
But if you are like looking to join guilds at top level, You look for guilds that fit with your schedule or amount you want to play
But then a large majority add on-top of what they have advertised as their hours
dreamy locust
that would work for normal people but rostered shift jobs dont really allow this...
Roster boss hardest one in game
I want to see someone make a weekend guild, 1 day 8-10 hour
See how they do
dry compass
But then a large majority add on-top of what they have advertised as their hours
If you're a 2-day guild it's extremely challenging to get enough actual raid hours to hit HoF even if you're very well organized
cloud citrus
i joined 1 of those before
it was just a bunch of top end raiders in a alt run basically rofl
they just wanted to beat their mains
dreamy locust
If you're a 2-day guild it's extremely challenging to get enough actual raid hou...
Yeah? thats just reality
dry compass
So unless you just undershoot every bosses pull count by 30%, you're always on a time struggle
dreamy locust
So become a 3 day guild, or realize you might fall short of HOF sometimes,
cloud citrus
So unless you just undershoot every bosses pull count by 30%, you're always on a...
You become extremely efficient though
dreamy locust
Dont normalize being a 2 day, adding days all the time to fit yourself into an HOF slot
cloud citrus
like pulls happening less then a minute after the other
going into the boss with everything already planned out
dry compass
So if you 2-day raid 45 weeks of the year and 3-day raid 7 weeks, you're a 3-day guild?
cloud citrus
id say what you raid during prog is what you raid
dreamy locust
Noone cares about farm, crazy how you normalize that rationale
dry compass
It's not just farm though
dreamy locust
Kinda proving a point that people justify that
dry compass
Most of the time that extra day during prog isn't done for actual prog, it's done to take care of heroic/splits and free up raid hours for actual prog time
dreamy locust
"Well the first few weeks, we gotta farm tier and add nights for farming gear", "then we were close to bandit so we added a day for 2 week"
"and then HOF was so close and gally was easy so we added 2 more weeks of an extra day"
dry compass
Well, adding days to stretch to a kill is a different story
dreamy locust
So you basically just a 3 day guild at that point and lying to yourself
past tide
😹
lofty depot
u like that
loud kettle
I'm in a 1 day guild (thats how long reclear takes)
dreamy locust
If all these guilds normalize farming necessary heroic gear on "alt nights"
we gotta start normalizing farming mythic reclear on "alt nights"
loud kettle
Really it doesn't matter as long as its communicated to people before they join the guild
dreamy locust
because its not yet prog
loud kettle
Just dont try to hide it and Alls well
dry compass
I mean ultimately if you get baited by guilds misrepresenting their hours that's on you - click calendar and scroll back to last prog and the evidence is all there
dreamy locust
Yeah I mean, I got no real problem with it, If you have fun and it works for you
I mean, lot of guilds will priv log their offnights
Incase you dont know
dry compass
The vast majority of guilds that add days state that they do so, so whether or not those days 'count' is an academic discussion
drifting nova
If you're a 2-day guild it's extremely challenging to get enough actual raid hou...
git gudder
actual skill issue
dry compass
actual skill issue
Link CE
dreamy locust
Whos that liquid alt guild guy
dry compass
Telegon
dreamy locust
Who just said everyones dogshit
dreamy locust
Liquid alts, said broodmother is just the easiest boss of 2024, shocker
Farm night for them
dry compass
You look at telegon's guild and half his raid team is old retired rwf raiders so that opinion isn't shocking lol
But ultimately that's why I say pull count is way more important a gauge
rich jewel
The vast majority of guilds that add days state that they do so, so whether or n...
i mean if the added days becomes like 2.6 average for the prog tier ur pretty much 3 day
dreamy locust
I agree, I just think lot of guilds normalize added nights to where youd just be better becoming an extra day guild
dry compass
You can have a guild that 75-pulled Gally and one that 200-pulled Gally and they're both HoF, only difference is the latter raids twice as many days
dreamy locust
Elusive is the GOAT of wow raiding
royal zenith
idolizing people and guilds
dreamy locust
We need a ghost gaming, elusive RWF
royal zenith
dry compass
My favourite part about elusive is none of its former members have anything good to say about it
Myself included
dreamy locust
Only part of elusive thats competitive is the racism
drifting nova
where do I app
lucid olive
I agree, I just think lot of guilds normalize added nights to where youd just be...
we went from 4 days with added 5th day first 2 weeks to 3 days with added 4th day first 2 weeks
and kept same wr
dreamy locust
You guys might have been suffering from burnout,
I know I cant do like 4-5 days a week, Id just be slogging through and not doing my best
eternal monolith
So are we still bottom of the pack for m+ and raid?
lucid olive
You guys might have been suffering from burnout,
nah we just had better roster this tier
dry compass
Bench gamz wr stay same with lower time invested can't argue with results
midnight bough
I looked at 11.2 projections and it says balance is super down bad. Did anything change on 11.2 ptr that nerfed balance or is it just that tier set sucks?
dry compass
The EU rage about NA using NA rank instead of world rank a few weeks back has to be one of my favourite pieces of wow drama
dry compass
I looked at 11.2 projections and it says balance is super down bad. Did anything...
They fixed the bug on the tier set and nerfed us for good measure while everyone else got super strong tier sets and we ended up bad as a result
lucid olive
what bug
jovial hare
The doing damage bug
crisp badger
think they are talking about the health scaling
lucid olive
wasnt a bug
crisp badger
but i also heard that thats not a bug
jovial hare
The bug was boomkin doing damage
They fixed it by making it not do damage
Working as intended
lucid olive
the only bug thats gotten fixed was the dryad's starsurge casts
it never did any damage except for the first 2 weeks where the damage it did was only the dryads favor damage
now its probably the worst 2pc in the game
like a 1% increase over not having any tier
and the 4pc bonus alone is like 25%
crisp badger
thanks blizzard very cool 
lucid olive
but dont tell them that cause they'll nerf the 4pc and keep the 2pc bad
cause they don't want the dryad to do damage
its meant to be there to "buff the druid and not be its own damage source"
twilit star
I'm not planning on hopping off my druid but not looking forward for the next several weeks until post RWF tuning
royal zenith
where buffs
midnight bough
Ohh ok so it's not that they mega nerfed balance it's just that tier set sucks
strong bronze
What else can get buffed so its not over the top?
scenic mist
cause they don't want the dryad to do damage
Dryad starsurges are now affected by damage modifiers Dryad now casts starsurge at 150% efficiency (was 30%)
trust tomorrow
lofty depot
Ohh ok so it's not that they mega nerfed balance it's just that tier set sucks
On the contrary both
lucid olive
Ohh ok so it's not that they mega nerfed balance it's just that tier set sucks
No the kotg 4pc is really good considering the usual relative power of tier sets
but the base spec has always sucked
every time moonkin has been good it's been carried by some broken interaction
strong bronze
So unless its myth track items or we get 4 set , we dont bother swapping off the old set?
strong bronze
Oh so as soon as 4 piece is available , but the 2 set is dog shit is what you are refering
lucid olive
and that's fine i guess
lofty depot
It's not uncommon, just annoying
lucid olive
2p 2p would be kinda shit anyway
dry compass
Yeah the undermine tier sets in general don't lend themselves well to 2p/2p
lucid olive
but also
dry compass
Only a couple of them have meaningful 2p without the 4p procs
lucid olive
you could probably do 2p 2p honestly
but go EC
idk that might be better than current 4pc if its like 710 2pc
strong bronze
So what happens to starsurge/fall without the s2 tier set getting 20% dmg amp from shroom?
lofty depot
They do 20% less dam
strong bronze
Well yea , but shouldnt blizzard give a small buff to the base dmg?
lofty depot
Lol they can't cuz then we would do far more damage next tier
strong bronze
Cause i do know fire mage got tier set nerf and ignite nerf , but blizzard did compensate buff pyroblast and flamestrike by 30%
I know its not the same
lucid olive
yeah but fire mage has a smarter developer
strong bronze
I was just wondering if they could go similar in that route
dry compass
They could
dry compass
But that would require them to identify and acknowledge the problem
royal zenith
it's a specific choice
lofty depot
Cause i do know fire mage got tier set nerf and ignite nerf , but blizzard did c...
Mage dev can do maff
We have a feral
royal zenith
I honestly don't think it's them not knowing
they are just giga scared to make moonkin op
for whatever rason
lofty depot
Was a yome
strong bronze
Hmm
royal zenith
reason *
dry compass
There's a couple fights that boomie would be Giga good at with reasonable tuning
royal zenith
ye
dry compass
But they're mostly early in tier so who tf cares
lofty depot
I think adding surge damage to the aura buff would make us do too much then get nerfed in a week anyway
dry compass
Unless dimensius is actually also a Giga boomie fight but I don't think that's the case from what we know
lucid olive
I honestly don't think it's them not knowing
can confirm the moonkin dev isn't feral main
oh that was meant
to be to arctic
gg
Dimensius has 100% dmg amp
depending how much that matters for the fight we might be good at that
dry compass
Damage amps always good with convoke
cursive mirage
dry compass
And pooled CA charges
cursive mirage
royal zenith
wonder if you're even relevant with current tuning in the fights that are supposedly made for spreadcleave
cause starfall aint looking too hot either
dry compass
Demon hunters probably not
The conduit boss probably valuable but not as much as spriest/Destro lock
Spriest gonna clown us on spread cleave niche this tier
lofty depot
can confirm the moonkin dev isn't feral main
New dev?
wicked shuttle
Dev Evoker
lofty depot
Ayo?
royal zenith
worst timeline
lofty depot
We're gonna blast halfway thru the tier is what that sounds like
royal zenith
we'll forever be bad
lofty depot
Nah, were so back
twilit star
at least motw is desirable for m+ hah
royal zenith
m+ only really is relevant mid-tier onwards though
and that's when you have received buffs either way
twilit star
Fortunately I'm AOTC only so real raiding concerns I get to dodge
royal zenith
lofty depot
Fortunately I'm AOTC only so real raiding concerns I get to dodge
Ur part of the play better and u'll be better than 90% of ur guild
twilit star
Ur part of the play better and u'll be better than 90% of ur guild
Yahp. I'm going to not jump ship yet, but I'll have a couple extra classes ready in case it's a trash m+ season. Prob will spend this week leveling a couple other things
lofty depot
Do u do title keys?
wild dune
Can just heal early season and wait for the buffs
twilit star
Not hardly. And frankly with the m+ discords I don't pug much anymore and if I do I run my own keys so it literally doesn't matter.
twilit star
Can just heal early season and wait for the buffs
I'm guessing that might be my life
lofty depot
Not hardly. And frankly with the m+ discords I don't pug much anymore and if I ...
Yea just do keys early in the season and u can get in keys for a while
twilit star
Yah, I'm not horribly worried
if I get hard-capped then I can look at something else. However the weather will be nice for half this season so I will be outside a lot which limits my play
lofty depot
Ooo forgot, boes are random stats, and we don't like haste so maybe our ring cheap 🙂
Thanks "the bench" for reminding me
lofty depot
Vers gang
strong bronze
Really?
cloud plover
love to hear it
lofty depot
Guess which one of those numbers is the haste number
strong bronze
The 0?
cloud plover
bottom one obviously
strong bronze
No way , so its vers mastery just like the shadowlands days
strong bronze
Ah rip
lofty depot
Why am I stacking Crit 
strong bronze
That is really interesting
strong bronze
It does make sense , i just wouldnt have imagined the day where haste is not one of our best stats
normal pilot
happened during SL
strong bronze
Ye i know in sl we used vers mastery i believe
unkempt crescent
checking in, i hear were looking better for next season in m+
is this true or is it AI slop
royal zenith
AI slop
unkempt crescent
so were still like 3rd worst aoe
unkempt crescent
sorry in terms of m+ viability
royal zenith
you'll always be viable
but definitely not the best atm
fdk, afflock, mm hunter, enhance all these classes are better in M+ AOE atm
you can also filter PTR logs based on spec and check for yourself: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/reports?zone=45&boss=0&difficulty=0&class=Druid&spec=Balance&kills=0&keystone0&duration=0&server=0
check the date though, for when it was uploaded
lofty depot
Tettles saying my bis neck is awful stated?
unkempt crescent
ty appreciate that @royal zenith
lofty depot
What the fricc
royal zenith
no worries go wild
sudden pawn
they are just giga scared to make moonkin op
ya u might run more than 1 moonkin and running more than 1 of a certain spec or class makes balancing impossible (please ignore 4 mages every boss in undermine and 6 monks)
sudden pawn
royal zenith
but ye
fierce pulsar
Wondering why our SIM is not up on the DPS table yet, waiting for buffs? 😛
lofty depot
ya u might run more than 1 moonkin and running more than 1 of a certain spec or ...
Yea but those classes have good design and take skill
Stupid chicken press surge and do 70% of his damage
Wow so hard
sudden pawn
lofty depot
Wondering why our SIM is not up on the DPS table yet, waiting for buffs? 😛
Maybe our sim isnt ready yet
Maybe ulria is slow
Maybe none of it matters
jaunty cliff
guys, keystone.guru is a good source to import m+ routes? is do we have a better source?
unkempt crescent
(I have no clue, m+ is cringe)
sir!
lofty depot
?
lucid olive
ya u might run more than 1 moonkin and running more than 1 of a certain spec or ...
wonder when druid is gonna be viable for any raid
sudden pawn
midnight bough
Think there will be more tuning or will it go like it is now?
lofty depot
wonder when druid is gonna be viable for any raid
@ lorgok
lofty depot
Think there will be more tuning or will it go like it is now?
Shrug, u might get a funny m+ pass
But this is likely how it goes live for first week
past tide
wonder when druid is gonna be viable for any raid
Never
midnight bough
Shrug, u might get a funny m+ pass
What's a funny pass? Like a little one?
past tide
Bring back rf and also give it to resto
lofty depot
What's a funny pass? Like a little one?
Yessem
lofty depot
Bring back rf and also give it to resto
They did and no
This tier set is gonna be the keeper new talents in midnight ok
lofty depot
I'm copibg
past tide
Theyll remove keeper
lofty depot
Surely they'll change it to the trees tho
wild dune
we get gamescon stuff soon with midnight announcements
maybe they announce the full druid rework
wild dune
idk man ill blink and itll be september
lofty depot
maybe they announce the full druid rework <:garf:1182703292313255946>
Nah they do some really good crafting if druid first with new changes "cuz it's the hardest" then every other class gets cool shit and our suck ass
crisp badger
i got invited to fill again for mug'zee reclear and i tried for you guys 
got an orange parse
wild dune
Nah they do some really good crafting if druid first with new changes "cuz it's ...
right i forgot we're the beta testers for every change
gg
lucid olive
surely they have some good shit cooking
if theyre adding new hero talents
what are your wishes
unkempt crescent
revert to this season
past tide
Revert to shadow lands
runic drum
Hey guys what slots we will craft for season 3 and which embellishments will be on it?
jaunty blaze
wrist belt boots
wild dune
not boots.
jaunty blaze
oh yeah
stone ocean
Not confirmed as we don’t know what they will do with the delve belt
jaunty blaze
the raidboots
strong bronze
Delve belt will get swapped at around 714 ilvl , dont think they will update it
lofty depot
what are your wishes
The first point in the feedback post
stone ocean
The effects are strong for balance though the mastery bonus is great
lofty depot
Feel free when u ask them about why balance not viable, why none of the feedback has been feed back on
stone ocean
^ facts have never been spit harder
lofty depot
Instead we got the pulsar bad and unfriendly and now the spec could be giga with oulsar
jaunty blaze
midnight will be our xpac for sure
lofty depot
Not confirmed as we don’t know what they will do with the delve belt
Well unless they want the item to be relevant thru the tier.... It stays at 701
Need to sim all heroic gear at ilvl then make some crafting items to see if it's worth to leave it on and wear embell on shoulders maybe
stone ocean
No I mean if they nerf it, like circlet was only intended to be used until mid HC it’s still siming better than all mythic rings for me
jaunty blaze
the belt doesnt scale the way the circlet does
stone ocean
Hoping raid bots is going to get updated soon wanna see what dungeons I need to mindlessly spam
lofty depot
Grow up
stone ocean
No I want the link to be able to sim the trinkets and crafted pieces
nova ocean
It's real sad that gamz keeps making these detailed ptr druid issues posts and blizzard just goes 8 percent aura buff near the end of ptr and peaces out
lofty depot
It's real sad that gamz keeps making these detailed ptr druid issues posts and b...
Blud thinks they read the post
jaunty blaze
even if they do by the time the post is made the specs and sets are already developed anyway
they wont do changes in that timeframe
maybe for next year but most likely not
nova ocean
Not saying they do just saying it's sad that this is the state
nova ocean
even if they do by the time the post is made the specs and sets are already deve...
I mean it's every patch since df
Just need to respond eventually and they don't
lucid olive
That's why we usually time the "large scope" feedback posts for when we know they're starting to develop the next expansion 🙂
dreamy locust
Problem being theres 4 devs working on all classes, and youd be lucky if they read one for their own class
nova ocean
So was this recent one that then since they should be working on expansion now
dreamy locust
No matter when it drops
lucid olive
So was this recent one that then since they should be working on expansion now
They're working on like 12.1 or something now but yeah
The first large scope feedback we posted back in November was about the time when Midnight showed up on their internal servers
jaunty blaze
loud kettle
yea surely boomy rework in midnight
lofty depot
Surely
obsidian tapir
surely
jaunty blaze
surely? 
loud kettle
they have the feedback posts favorited
obsidian tapir
uuuu
jaunty blaze
like the void inside me
lofty depot
That's why they made EC surge doing the cleave thing
Cuz they're gonna bring empowerments back and surge gonna cleave
dreamy locust
Empowerments were just 100x better than this dogshit
lucid olive
should work
lucid olive
Empowerments were just 100x better than this dogshit
man i leveled from 85 to 86 on mop and was bored out my gourd with that version of eclipse
dreamy locust
Im talking legion empowerments
pls dont talk about old dogshit bouncing on it empowerments
stuck meadow
crafting ring with random stats
equipping both slots
relogging
recraft with haster mastery for ex
equip both slots
and you have discount for both slots
stuck meadow
this one im talking about
stuck meadow
obsidian tapir
so how is boomie doing on ptr
dog caca
lofty depot
pls dont talk about old dogshit bouncing on it empowerments
Bfa empowerments >
worldly plume
shit
dry compass
dreamy locust
Did legion empowerments not have buffs on them? just dmg?
worldly plume
i smell buffs
lucid olive
idk just buff the shit out of this and make it something you play around
move it to class tree
lofty depot
No
lucid olive
and make more talents like it and then replace Eclipse with those
lofty depot
Bring back rattle maintenance buff
past tide
So you want streaking stars
dreamy locust
Buffs on generators that stacks with spenders, that you alternate them? Nah, spam 1 button for 15 seconds
boomkin is saved guys
past tide
lofty depot
So you want streaking stars
Yes
past tide
Me too
lofty depot
Make weaver great again
lucid olive
Bring back Gathering Starstuff too
dreamy locust
FUCK weaver and thats on baby
lofty depot
Make moons do damage
past tide
lofty depot
FUCK weaver and thats on baby
Fuck u blud
past tide
Yeah i love casting a 4 second nuke
lofty depot
If the nuke did nuke things I bet u would
jaunty blaze
i would love that if it was a nuke to begin with
lofty depot
Instead it's a fuggn bottle rocket
lucid olive
Bothers me being maxed AP
log on PTR and try it with the EC tier set
can only proc 2pc when you generate AP with Starfire
Cosmos and Weaver dead af
past tide
It was a nuke in shadowlands
jaunty blaze
straight up jorkin my moon cast into nothing
dreamy locust
I will be delaying my depression fueled boomkin dream
past tide
dreamy locust
as long as possible thank you
lofty depot
Log on
dry compass
Make full moon a 1-minute CD that triggers a 20 second eclipse, delete current eclipse, greatly increase spender damage and decrease AsP generation
dry compass
Or just revert wholesale to wod or mop
dreamy locust
Haven't played it, but can make stuff up and say its the easiest thing in the world
lofty depot
No
dry compass
lofty depot
People constantly say wod and mop were best versions, this people are spectrum
Bfa best
Surge 8t don't fuggn care
dreamy locust
Legion best
lucid olive
MoP moonkin sucks
lofty depot
I'm prio targetting
lucid olive
holy shit that eclipse version is so bad
dreamy locust
Twin moon shoulders, dad build, good self-cast moons
dry compass
MoP moonkin needed tweaking but the core gameplay was better than what we have now
jaunty blaze
so real
dreamy locust
placeable starfall, peak
lucid olive
x
jaunty blaze
legion was so vibe
lofty depot
Twin moon shoulders, dad build, good self-cast moons
Oneths 
lofty depot
MoP moonkin needed tweaking but the core gameplay was better than what we have n...
Yea but not the best so irrelevant
jaunty blaze
there was that very short period of time when argus tier dropped and you would actually only press moonfire in m+
bring that back
dry compass
Pretty sure it's only arctic, tettles, and the mole people that like bfa boomkin
Which is a very strange group
lofty depot
Clearly didn't play it
I like legion tbf
Empowers better in bfa
But they nerfed starfall
Soooooooo just give me bfa empowerments with legion bamkin
Then we're so back
Forgot IFE > whirlingstars
dreamy locust
Keep Yourself Safe bud
lofty depot
Lock in!
strong bronze
Is this EC single target?
lucid olive
Is this EC single target?
ye with new tier
worldly spruce
Bring back rattle maintenance buff
good old days
lofty depot
Was IFE incarn reduction or pulsar effect
Cdr
lofty depot
Made incarn like 130-140 or so.e shit
dreamy locust
I remember boomkins poppin off first tier with helm, I didnt get it, played another character
That was peak
strong bronze
I know its ec tier set but that is illegal
dreamy locust
Miss on legendaries, better off rerolling
lofty depot
Popped off 2nd tier too
Tomb was pretty beans if u didn't have old tier
Argus was fine
At least the spec was enjoyable
But yea that was back when u had 6 pieces of tier
So u use old 2p
Good ole days
dreamy locust
I know that happened in nighthold, I dont remember older tiers
2 leggos, 6 piece, artifact weapon
lofty depot
Yeeeeeeeeeeeee
rose garnet
is balance dead s3?
dreamy locust
Orange class never dead while its got MARK OF THE WILD
jaunty blaze
hecking luv me mark
lofty depot
No one plays both stop yoki g
dreamy locust
What's the worst then
lofty depot
tl:dr on nerfs?
Uhhh, if u don't know what once was good, u don't need to know how it became bad
dreamy locust
O wise one
strong bronze
Even in m+ its not that terrible
lofty depot
Depends on fight timings and adds
lofty depot
Even in m+ its not that terrible
Yoker
rose garnet
well, i guess mid is not terrible
dreamy locust
Aug GOOD
lofty depot
Below mid
wild dune
its a bit below mid.
dreamy locust
Worst prolly rogue honestly
jaunty blaze
will i be fine on my weekly 10 no leaver?
dreamy locust
so far
strong bronze
I mean , it only needs the starfall buff for m+
rose garnet
maybe they will adjust
lofty depot
Yea surely
strong bronze
Wdym rogue is cooking
Outlaw is probably doing the least amount of dmg from all the rogue specs , both sub and assa are in the upper bracket
lofty depot
Rogue doesn't get a raid spot
It's fine
Buff not required
Jpc gonna play DK with atlas
calm bane
guys, when are new PTR builds usually released?
cloud plover
guys, when are new PTR builds usually released?
completely random
good luck guessing
tuesday build!! oh tuesday didnt happen, wednesday build!! oh that didnt happen, thursday build!! nvm, maybe friday build!!
lofty depot
guys, when are new PTR builds usually released?
U mean actual game builds or
mental plover
He means whatever build saves our specs
drifting nova
on a scale how bad is spriest
dense steeple
theyre on the scale at least
drifting nova
idk if i'm too dumb but it does nothing
normal pilot
did you try turning it off an on
drifting nova
then again did do almost an entire dungeon without using funny hand button so
vamp touch
drifting nova
HOW WOULD I KNOW
drifting nova
I queued for cta lfd as healer
dense steeple
priest disc
dense steeple
then dps as holy
drifting nova
why
dense steeple
fake it til you make it
dense steeple
im glad this past event made me put all my alts outside of FH
drifting nova
one of the main spec buttons
dense steeple
now I can log in and run a freehold on 30 chars without going out of my way
woven igloo
What have people mostly moved their cloak emblishment to ? So wrists + what?
leaden sapphire
What have people mostly moved their cloak emblishment to ? So wrists + what?
wrist + boots
errant flint
How much is the rotation changing with se3 tier set?
dense steeple
craft everything
woven igloo
wrist + boots
Guess boost is alright until we get the boots from that empowers cloak
dense steeple
yeah boots sure was a choice
woven igloo
Alright cheers for responding
lofty depot
Guess boost is alright until we get the boots from that empowers cloak
Bracers, boots, belt, gloves, shoulder, oh
Now u have options for when u get gear for the first few weeks
drifting nova
why is acuity not transferable
drifting nova
the crafting who people
lucid olive
just accept quest and then hand it in instantly
take any of the rewards
they have a bunch of acuity in them
enough to last your character entire expansion
lucid olive
the crafting who people
in there
fiery veldt
went from good on ptr to dogshite yea?
scenic mist
went from good on ptr to dogshite yea?
a while ago yes
pallid bay
now this is some engaging gameplay
covert bronze
Are there any boomies in here who are at/near title who would be willing to help an uhdk friend push their last couple keys? She’s 19 io off rn (na)
drifting nova
ok but thats classic wow
listen, mop clears whatever THIS is
strong bronze
Are there any boomies in here who are at/near title who would be willing to help...
What does she need?
lofty depot
ive seen worse
covert bronze
I think any 20 and then improved 19s or just any two 20s
I think she has all 19s timed
lofty depot
we pushin?
drifting nova
delicate perch
I'll help m'lady
vital hound
now this is some engaging gameplay
vital hound
I'll help m'lady
are you going to pump up her io
mighty mica
scenic mist
nearly 5.7M is more than i anticipated, especially keeping in mind futur 2p buff
scenic mist
<:COPIUM:876489704663564298>
they cant release the 2p without damage modifiers on surges
digital berry
Where did we get that number
scenic mist
Where did we get that number
wild dune
stuck quartz
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tnBNU5ipJN54SC3WmzBktL
is energy drink really the best trink here?
dense steeple
about as good as my sex life
lofty depot
is energy drink really the best trink here?
fake trinket
lofty depot
Hello, is it known how the balance performance is in season 3? .'(
not season 3 yet so no
signal matrix
Uh, 2nd CA at 11s 😮
lofty depot
timings in raid can be shit, adds dying can be shit
m+ is a dumbster fire, that we do know 😛
lucid olive
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tnBNU5ipJN54SC3WmzBktL
padder sim
courtesy of ratctic
actually i could probably improve that a little too
meager storm
lucid olive
cause that quick sim loses a treant use
it uses at 33 seconds and then at 2m with CDs
lofty depot
whats the problem
scenic mist
whats the problem
why not sunfiring at the end of ca1 instead of beggining of ca2 ?
lofty depot
need to get the 2 surges in trees window
scenic mist
ok that's why you clip ca1
lofty depot
da
scenic mist
but this is ugly
lofty depot
theres some weird shit in the quickk sim samples
sometimes it doesnt get the surges at the end of 2nd ca
although i ran most of my funny tier % sims yesterday i think before sune fixed the pooling
so maybe fix
lucid olive
yeah some quick sim iterations just have bad RNG on shit like Cosmos
but the number is a bunch of iterations summed up and it only displays 1
potent cargo
this is why u just play a low cd melee
ungabunga
no brain required
button light up press button
vibes > sims
lofty depot
u can do that with BM
lucid olive
this is why u just play a low cd melee
man i fucking loved fury warrior in raid this season
was a blast
delicate perch
@vital hound @potent cargo @lyric kettle 
lyric kettle
<@126112819476168705> <@140656141196722176> <@239345287670267905> <:Hmmmm:624422...
Cancel him
delicate perch
so good
delicate perch
🍅
shy void
delicate perch
glossy jungle
method returning to their former glory. I hope josh returns
lofty depot
method returning to their former glory. I hope josh returns
maybe theyll win again
potent cargo
<@126112819476168705> <@140656141196722176> <@239345287670267905> <:Hmmmm:624422...
WATCHING FOR LORGOKZ FUCK ANYONE ELSE
wild behaviour chingers isn't worthy of cleaning up after a zorthas cooking stream let alone casting a snooze race
delicate perch
wild behaviour chingers isn't worthy of cleaning up after a zorthas cooking stre...
LMFAO insane pickup how did that even happen
placid vault
5.7M ST - balance is back?
obsidian girder
potent cargo
5.7M ST - balance is back?
cant survive to do that dmg
lyric kettle
LMFAO insane pickup how did that even happen
He beat the allegations
lofty depot
5.7M ST - balance is back?
will be 200k lower soon
then again, gamz fixing apl still
maybe 200k higher
delicate perch
lorgok worthy, oce caster not
lyric kettle
Chingers subathon midrace
placid vault
why would it be lower lol
lofty depot
because i cheated
placid vault
100k from what
vital hound
Chingers subathon midrace
normal pilot
actually i guess other specs prolly gained more, esp specs that aren't mastery heavy
nova ocean
maybe 200k higher
so the locks are right we are sandbagging
vital hound
the boots give 150% bonus, not 50%
lofty depot
so the locks are right we are sandbagging
the term sandbagging just getting lost cuz people dont understand
nova ocean
i know sandbagging its the when woman pad there bras with sand bags to look bigger
clearly
jovial hare
nova ocean
lofty depot
anyone know if i have to do this red dawn shit
lofty depot
the boots give 150% bonus, not 50%
had to make the boots manditory so the boss was no longer optional
normal pilot
well it was always 150%
the dev that coded it didn't know exactly how that particular field works
lofty depot
thats badass
normal pilot
they made the same mistake with the low mana trinket but that got fixed
funny enough some old spells are bugged teh same way, like DF season 1 fury set
vital hound
@lofty depot new nickname time
ebon plover
we back
lofty depot
see people say "why are boomkins saying its dead"
lofty depot
hopefully
reverse everyones hope
boomkin in the middle for once and all the crybabies come out
celest narwhal
I need to see the list without both tree options. That’s to much for my brain
pastel surge
That list makes life look very rough for melee. 😮
lofty depot
yea fuckem
lofty depot
we abuse bugs so they get fixed
lofty depot
does it give good gear?
ebon plover
i think so
last i heard at least
i think its daily lockout too
i guess i just spam 0's every day til patch
i mean til season starts
ionic oak
so we good? i can stop crying now?
celest narwhal
Why do 4 dungones to upgrade one pice when I get 2 at a higher lvl in 1
lofty depot
so we good? i can stop crying now?
boss timings can be cringe
adds dying too fast can be cringe
ionic oak
... wiggity wack
ionic oak
you right. i go back to crying
lucid olive
see people say "why are boomkins saying its dead"
dogshit spec
vital hound
we abuse bugs so they get fixed
we are not the same
lofty depot
dogshit spec
fun spec
if we dont get this tier set as a talent in midnight im pissed
ionic oak
are we back ?
where this from. what this is? AI? lol
lofty depot
iron chasm
Thanks Arctic
ionic oak
.... damn bro. why you doing us like that?
lofty depot
now everyone thinks we're better than we are..
maybe ur lying and were better than we think we are
ionic oak
how the turned have tables
errant flint
are we back ?
how old is this
ionic oak
has to be old
lofty depot
at least 5 minutes old
ionic oak
nah
spare fjord
are we back ?
Can you link the doc plz?
ionic oak
pretty please
lofty depot
do not
errant flint
is that the patreon sims
stuck meadow
yea patreon sims
lofty depot
i mean anyone can run the sims themselves
ruby flicker
Card and B.I.S don't work in the same macro eh, gotta alternate with each charge of CA?
lofty depot
they do
but u shouldnt have them in the same macro anyway
and yea theres an icd with item uses of 20 seconds
ruby flicker
appreciate it, thank you.
normal pilot
they fixed boots and looks like nerfed them for non-mythic raiders
lofty depot
so the heroic version gives less than 50%
noble spindle
https://tenor.com/olicYK6NTXm.gif
why did he redeem
lofty depot
seem rather fast
vital hound
why did he redeem
do not redeem it
normal pilot
well maybe not difficulty based
not sure how you upgrade but it goes from 20% to 50%
ionic oak
our inside druid. i like it
midnight bough
Will gastank make balance druid great again in 11.2?
lofty depot
lol does it go to 50% when it hits 707
normal pilot
no i would make balance require bear/ccat weaving to do dps
normal pilot
10 wrath is just 100 energy, that's only 2 shreds
lofty depot
can u make it the cool evoker thing
normal pilot
you'd need 5 cps for starsurge
lofty depot
make it castable
then it does like the 5cp surge cleaves all targets with moonfire on it
normal pilot
no you need rage for aoe
midnight bough
Reuiring chicken to go into cat form to do dps is like super evil imo if I wanted to melle dps i would pick a mellee dps
lofty depot
fric
normal pilot
starfire reduced CD of mangle, mangle generates rage, starfall costs rage to cast
ionic oak
my head hurts
midnight bough
Forcing a chicken to cat dps is like asking a dh to heal. It ain't gonna happen
lucid olive
Just wait for the DH healer spec to come out in a few months
man you're gonna look stuuuuuupid
tulip snow
evoker tank when
midnight bough
Eye beam healing spell
serene sun
is it ok to post a log here for review? had some deaths in a 16 dfc but feel like my overall was quite poor despite the deaths
normal pilot
ya you can post any time, if ppl are around they'll answer if not then you may need to try another time
serene sun
cool, well if anyone is up to it: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/b7KtnPwNmXRMBV1A?fight=last
lofty depot
wasted dreamstate stacks on that starfire and using woe like that
macro natures vigil to incarn
that all lived for 25 seconds
u moonfired just the big adds
seems odd to not bear form the initial hit
but ur not gonna die to it regardless
but u did bear the 2nd
serene sun
wasted dreamstate stacks on that starfire and using woe like that
so ideally you just warrior of elune after you've spent 2 dreamstate stacks?
serene sun
u moonfired just the big adds
is there a certain balance of "time to spend dotting" vs "time it lives" ? feel like by the time I dot em all they'd be like dead lol
lofty depot
have u read the prio list
serene sun
yeah, just wasn't sure if it was that literal
lofty depot
think they wrote "if the targets will live for 6 or more seconds" for fun
serene sun
I didn't see that part? not sure if I'm looking int he wrong guide?
serene sun
I'll look through that, thanks
lofty depot
hmm
serene sun
bad time to pop cds huh
lofty depot
- shadow meld doesnt work on boss unless ur dodging cart
2 why we dashing
maybe i assume
ur coming one sec
serene sun
yeah I wasn't sure if it worked. think it was a bit of a panic moment
lofty depot
for what
errant flint
for boomy
lofty depot
for whattttttttttt
errant flint
of talents/spells
lofty depot
theres not a index anymore what do u need help with
lucid olive
no but that sounds like something i could make for the compendium
errant flint
that would be rad
lofty depot
no but that sounds like something i could make for the compendium
sybau
errant flint
reading here be like 
errant flint
san francisco
lofty depot
yeah I wasn't sure if it worked. think it was a bit of a panic moment
if u plan on playing boomkin longer
i would suggest playing with wildcharge more
lucid olive
strf
stfl
sf
ss
sotf
lucid olive
ca
ui
ue
uin
sw
rts
eg
cats
dogs
errant flint
lofty depot
i chuckled when i put cats and dogs at the end
type shit
ye aur not using dreamstate stacks
also u dont meld for damage enough
damn u died and held read for basically a minute
likely shouldve ran back
serene sun
yeah it's a tough call in the moment.. that run back is brutal
lofty depot
seems afk
can u dont wildcahrge during blazikon
imagine if we were doing damage
(ik its pretty stinky on st... but 10s afk is 10s afk)
should hold this ca
serene sun
lighting the candles feels so brutal.. is the play to preposition for the first one, wild charge to light 2nd?
lofty depot
and wait til ur foe is back up
lofty depot
lighting the candles feels so brutal.. is the play to preposition for the first ...
that do be a good idea
normal pilot
ok ya boots are tied to difficulty. lfr boots = 20%, mythic boots = 50%