balance

[river depot]

Been thinking about lock but honestly I want to stay boomy mage ain’t it for me

[lofty depot]

Well it could be uhh peacenerds

(his spr)

[clever vigil]

we could all go shadow priest

lmk twitterguy is level 70

[lofty depot]

Eightsune be doing that

[drifting nova]

warrior is calling

[river depot]

Just gotta accept starfall not going brrrrr anymore

[river depot]

I'm more of a retri brain person

[lofty depot]

We're a st spec

[clever vigil]

sorry to hear that

[lofty depot]

Fuck starfall

[river depot]

Starsurge not going brrr ure right

[lofty depot]

Surge goes brr

[drifting nova]

retri and brain in the same sentence, oy vey

[river depot]

Ignore me then

I’m on holiday not keeping up too much with ptr

[drifting nova]

what if..like ele shamans can shoot out multiple meatballs

we split the starsurge into multiple

[lofty depot]

U can do that, with EC

[drifting nova]

lies

[slender dragon]

new spec

[wild dune]

ai slop

[drifting nova]

I'm so bored I'm doing tiller dailies on mop

[wild dune]

tbf tiller title

is based

[drifting nova]

TITLE?

[drifting nova]

I only got exalted for the goat back in the day

oh that one, bleh

[lofty depot]

U could be tilling on osrs

[drifting nova]

must find justice vendor

[broken harbor]

I have a question: in the first weeks of the next season, we'll have the belt 701 and the artifact cloak. I currently have embellishments on my back and wrists. What would be the best crafting choice to move the embellishment from the back?

[lofty depot]

Boots

[timid fractal]

Aren't boots kinda locked in with the DH boss boots that buff the cloak tho?

[copper terrace]

bracer

[lofty depot]

OH and then also w.e. ur tier off piece is could be fine

[lofty depot]

Already has bracer

[sonic crag]

Wait, where did the pin calling for a buff go

[lofty depot]

We got a buff

Why need pin

[lofty depot]

Not locked in until u get it

Can wear 684 as embell then crafted 2nd item later

U'll also be done with runed in 2 weeks if not dumb

[timid fractal]

Oh yeah I kinda forgot you could still craft with S2 sparks lol

[lofty depot]

Should craft every off piece before Aug 5

[sonic crag]

🩹 on the wounds

[lofty depot]

Everyone seems to keep staff in sim, I got a funny OH play feeling

[broken harbor]

i guess that's what i would try to do then

ty

[scarlet tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140628432821166171/1398758686821715988/timeToPlayTheGame.mp4?ex=68872fca&is=6885de4a&hm=010532e6faf9dfd6f68b56d230c5c38a965c3b17a548defa51b5ec220983d135&

@pallid bay

[glacial spindle]

They buffed balance yet?

[scarlet tapir]

log in

[glacial spindle]

scarily having to weigh up alternatives and i dont wanna 😄

[lofty depot]

They did

[glacial spindle]

Oh shit. Anywhere I can read the changes?

[lofty depot]

Probably wowhead

Like every other time they post patch notes

[glacial spindle]

never followed ptr stuff before but fair play

[lofty depot]

Says 9% to 18%, but gas said it was 8.25% so shrug

[pallid bay]

soon you will be casting wild growth in your rotation..

[lofty depot]

0 mana start choo choo

Means insta cast wrath start

[loud kettle]

im guessing wild growth is just the most expensive spell available

[lofty depot]

Ye

[maiden garden]

is this amublance chicken?

[lofty depot]

We also gain too much mana

No it's more like vet

Cuz we don't heal very effectively

[lofty depot]

Also, don't know fully on gear cuz sim still getting fixed. Maybe drop belt after a while

Then u can do belt bracer

[celest narwhal]

Was an 8% overall buff more or less than 8% when it all works out

Or is it actually just 8

[lofty depot]

Well it's an aura buff

[dense steeple]

Idk if you know this but ambulances are also not an effective healer

[lofty depot]

So they take all ur damage and buff it. But it was a rounding thing from what gastank said and it was 8.25%

[lofty depot]

We're like a triage

[dense steeple]

Thats all an ambulance is irl

[lofty depot]

It's mobile tho

[dense steeple]

"Keep them alive until at ER"

[lofty depot]

We not mobile

They got funny lights

[celest narwhal]

That’s not half bad!

[lofty depot]

Still below avg

[celest narwhal]

Well

8.25% more than I was expecting!

[lofty depot]

Less than most of us did

[celest narwhal]

I’m still trying to play my SP if my raid lead will let me

[lofty depot]

One line is a "STFU and stop asking" number

[celest narwhal]

lol

[lofty depot]

Dryad still does fuck all

[celest narwhal]

I just liked the play style we did with it. Maybe not bear form and all that. But it was fun to pool dmg

[jaunty blaze]

god beware a mf has fun playing boomie

cant have that

[lofty depot]

Have fun spamming regrowth prepul

[maiden garden]

why, arent you gonna join?

[lofty depot]

Well I was already going to

Was telling all the non-knowers

[maiden garden]

good guy arctic

[lofty depot]

Stupid trinket, smh

[maiden garden]

surely they are going to fix dryad which will be a buff?

[maiden garden]

iqd?

[lofty depot]

Wouldn't hold ur breath

[maiden garden]

sadge

[drifting nova]

fix it

and it's a nerf

best I can offer

[lofty depot]

Well the 2p is pretty ass

[gentle patio]

I like pretty ass

So thats a win

[lofty depot]

Well the pretty ass ur referring to is a donkey with braids

[merry ibex]

What you got against braids?

💀

[gentle patio]

As long as the braids don't have dingleberries

Its fine

[lofty depot]

The ass got dingleberries on it

[jaunty blaze]

[scenic mist]

@lucid olive stop sandbagging the sim, my RL is having me play lock, it's time to show the real numbers

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

Unforch

U'll gain a few 0.5% maybe from the tree hold at 45. To the press at like 1m with foe

But apl maybe small fixes still

[scenic mist]

i guess with this character roster playing boomkin was delusional

[lofty depot]

Yea, showing the ability to play better classes is probably not smart

[strong bronze]

Somebody said ambulance chicken , and i can't stop thinking of season 1 shadowlands

[errant flint]

Thanks now its in my head too

[strong bronze]

Lets goo im gonna hunt healing parses

So every time we wipe at 1% atleast i will have 99s for healing kekw

[lofty depot]

U could have 99s for damage, don't be a square

Also, don't forget to hotw

Big wild.growths

[strong bronze]

📈📈📈

[nova ocean]

Maybe tettles will save us and get us buffed again with his tier list /copium

[lofty depot]

Assume there's gonna be a tier tuning

But could just get fucked who knows

[stone ocean]

Another tier as a bottoms dps class in raid

[maiden garden]

LMAOO thats what i remembered it from

[lofty depot]

Not the bottom last tier, not the bottom this tier

[stone ocean]

Wasn’t far off 😦

[jade jacinth]

Dumb question - the next patch comes with a new cloak, my current cape is a crafted one. What should i do? make aother crafted piece rn or wait till next patch and see what drops?

[lofty depot]

So we're saying wrong things then moving goal posts, I gotchu

[lofty depot]

U should craft it off the cloak

Cuz u'll wear cloak instantly

U should have all ur off pieces crafted

[stone ocean]

Any idea of trinkets were gonna be wanting to farm ?

[lofty depot]

OH, boots, bracers, gloves, shoulders, and then belt potentially.

[lofty depot]

Not yet

[jade jacinth]

ok sir so i shalll wait, is that what u are saying? 😄

[lofty depot]

Wait for what

[stone ocean]

Overcharged belt going to be around for a while I’m guessing

[lofty depot]

I said craft ur off pieces

Craft them all before Aug 5

[lofty depot]

Don't know yet

[nova ocean]

Who's worse off this coming tier

[lofty depot]

Arms. Ele

Ele just got buffed tho so don't know yet

[jade flume]

Tbf they have other specs that are decent(dont say feral its not real spec)

[pallid bay]

bamkin is op..

[royal zenith]

[pallid bay]

10M sim..

op..

[lofty depot]

Ok, so ur only equivalent is dev and spr?

And dev is technically worse off, cuz they were just giga broken at the end of last tier

[wild dune]

ask an arms enjoyer to play fury

see what response you get

[final patio]

A better example would be ele to enhance since going from range to melee is a lot different than going from fire to arcane or arms to fury

[lofty depot]

Range to melee is beyond easy

[leaden birch]

Arms and fury are so drastically different in playstyle

[lofty depot]

Melee complaining about mechanics, did it for a tier. Shits a joke

[drifting nova]

HELLL NOOO

fury is unga bunga bad

[scenic mist]

have you played sprocket on a melee ?

it's basically Patchwerk

[drifting nova]

imagine if there were mechanics that changed depending on role..instead of blanket mechanics (that melee cant do due to range)

[cloud plover]

role call/

like the scrapped echo of nelth mechanic or whatever

[drifting nova]

tanks get tank mechanics because theya re tanks

hell they had to stop giving healers mechanics in what was it

that 2boss raid

healer died? gg

[cloud plover]

crucible mentioned

[drifting nova]

think it was that one idk

[cloud plover]

bfa mini raid

with insanely tough 2nd boss

[drifting nova]

yeah, healers were getting mechanics and instantly dying

or rather ..cant heal

[jade flume]

Are warrior mains even able to talk

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hy-hey-gif-8520159980767013609

[lofty depot]

Yea the 8 rule was crazy

Change it

[drifting nova]

I cant count that high so

[lofty depot]

Neither can they

[drifting nova]

healers? yeah

[lyric thicket]

Pog we have a buff tomorow trust

[lofty depot]

Nop

[lyric thicket]

Pray for me

[ebon plover]

resto is gonna be meta in keys

we are so cooked

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[lofty depot]

Good

Fuck the m+ers

[strong bronze]

M+ers tend to just play whatever is the best and that doesnt happen till .5 patch

I am an m+er my self but only playing druid for raiding

[celest narwhal]

Had to use Shaman ank to kill

[vital hound]

[eager raft]

We are so absurdly back

[potent cargo]

Crank dps

Still can’t survive a boss

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

Blud isnt swapping hunter stop trolling

[lofty depot]

Got a 3% AOE dam reduction, so back

[potent cargo]

speakign of nelth

get nelth bomb

85% chance of death

get overlap 100% chance of death

[teal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/reroll-boomkin-druid-world-of-gif-9224477950400865848

[ocean condor]

how relevant is this to the other specs? like do we have somewhere to see what the other specs are simming as well?

[vital hound]

destro simming 25m st

so its joever

[potent cargo]

every mage spec sims 8m

(sandbagging)

(will do 15m on raid release day)

[ocean condor]

and that sim is ST?

[potent cargo]

(with all 3 specs)

[vital hound]

all three at once 0 targets

35m dps

[nova ocean]

Did we get our sim to 5.5m yet?

[craggy sonnet]

no, dont look at that number

[loud kettle]

ya idk how you look at an 11 mil dps sim and think its 1t 5min patchwerk

[ocean condor]

i didint think it was ST at all

[vital hound]

2late crazy

ive based my entire identity around achieving 10m st

and sent it to my RL

half my guild are creating boomkins as we speak

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-smell-cat-cat-nose-smell-gif-4208811055669905508

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/rV45ojkhtr.gif

[loud kettle]

Feral only 10.3m gg

[ocean condor]

there are plenty of people talking and showing M+ content of the new boomie balance changes, im more so wondering how they are looking for raid fights

[craggy sonnet]

looking dire across the board

also .. it is very likely that whatever you were watching with regards to m+ was from before tier set got gutted

[dense steeple]

bad

[ocean condor]

oh no, everything i have been looking at is after the tier set was gutted and even after the 8% buff we just got on PTR

[jade arrow]

I heard boomy is looking low key good next season is this true?

[dense steeple]

yeah man

you can probably also trust your source with your SSN\

[potent cargo]

boomy will not be the reason that holds you back from w/e you want to achieve

it will be either ur lack of skill or ur bad personality and inability to network

[scenic mist]

i'd argue rwf tuning can hold you back if you're wr50-

[potent cargo]

meh

idk what specific rank my guild was

top 15 usually

world

and even if our boomies are on bench, you are expected to play alt at that level; but there are also other top guilds taht would still have boomy in

krona canex recruite etc

[vital hound]

based shade having two boomkins

[dense steeple]

glyph not even play a boomy anymore

[potent cargo]

glyph not even play game rbo

[dense steeple]

washed green

[potent cargo]

[vital hound]

plus the worlds best survival hunter (peta)

[dense steeple]

promo soma demo G

[potent cargo]

sub expires in like 12 days

[vital hound]

glyph is banned, holding on to past pvp glories

washed and bald

[potent cargo]

ye

glyph is banned

glyphd is alive and kicking

[dense steeple]

glyph still down for RMT?

[potent cargo]

11 months to go

alleged rmt

[vital hound]

[dense steeple]

almost there!

[dense steeple]

thats what i meant to say!

[potent cargo]

alleged abuse of gms

not my fault they are all outsourced and dont know what I am asking them to do /shrug

[dense steeple]

true

blizz cs deadge

its not the old days anymore

[lucid olive]

gms are all clankers now anyway

[potent cargo]

clankas

smfh

https://tenor.com/view/clanka-clanker-droid-gta-gif-2671980220553869597

[delicate perch]

Free my boy

[pale swan]

guys is it easier to parse playing class and spec with less people playing it or a lot of like Ret,cus i can't with some people 😄

[potent cargo]

catch me up w the lore tho

whos the end boss of the xpac

bc he looks like a blueberry

[true viper]

where do i go to see ptr simulation craft

[lucid olive]

dont you know we fought dimensius back in TBC

[dense steeple]

yeah hes an old boss

[wild dune]

not knowing who dimensius is smh

[craggy sonnet]

"boss"

[dense steeple]

quest boss kekw

[craggy sonnet]

came a long way

[potent cargo]

lol

they rly didnt have someone else

[pallid bay]

gamz gatekeeping it..

[potent cargo]

idk shit about the lore but is he the one commanding the entire war within offensive

like is he responsible

[craggy sonnet]

and so did the whole void lord shebang

[true viper]

[lucid olive]

mimiron

[potent cargo]

i woulda thought it'd be more of these spidery bois

[true viper]

What

[lucid olive]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot

[true viper]

The page where all the apl sims are

[dense steeple]

spider queen die

why would be spider

[wild dune]

spider king

!

[lucid olive]

gatekeeping it

[dense steeple]

not legal

[true viper]

May allah gatekeep u the way u gatekept us

[scenic mist]

well they typically dont play most of progress

for that exact reason

or not as druids

[meager storm]

[lucid olive]

man if i start spreading an APL then everyone DMs me like "why is my sim using this sunfire at 3:40 instead of a Starfire???"

when its all just a work in progress

[scenic mist]

yeah but

why tho ?

[true viper]

i just saw a screenshot of all specs on 1 page i just wanted the link 2 it

[lucid olive]

yeah that screenshot was probably BS

[vital hound]

peta is my goat

you've got no chance against that guy

[scenic mist]

might be ulria's working version, not bs as much as work in progress with moving parts

[lucid olive]

yeah i wouldn't trust any of them

[scenic mist]

i mean afaik they're just compiling sims from specs happy with their current mimiron apl

[lucid olive]

ye so using it as "this is the state of this spec going into the new tier" is misleading

when it should be viewed as "this is how far the theorycrafters and APL writers for these specs have gotten"

[true viper]

it was from simulationcraft website

[scenic mist]

ofc, that's the "work in progress with moving parts" part

[lucid olive]

thats the reason behind why the simc website compiles a list as well

its not meant to rank which spec does most damage

[wild dune]

I love data with no context!

[drifting nova]

spec dead?

[lucid olive]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/PremedititatedProvocation

here's an explanation from SimC on why those spec rankings are published

[scenic mist]

i mean, assuming every spec gets an apl similarly near to best gameplay, it kind of does, right ?

[lucid olive]

how you choose to interpret it is up to you

[delicate perch]

Lots of reasons why it wouldn’t though

[lucid olive]

that is not the intention behind those lists

[delicate perch]

Damage amp/immune phases they love so much

[lucid olive]

The spec ranking chart has proven to be one of our most important drivers of code quality. It is like waving a red flag in eyes of a rampaging bull. If it means I get trampled from time to time, so be it. That is just the cost of doing business.

[scenic mist]

The purpose of the spec ranking chart is to provoke a reaction, preferably a really really angry reaction.

i mean

[lucid olive]

you're reading too much into it

Also, for the 11.2 APL, there is a ton of work needed just to separate it from the current one

and also separate and make different action lists for both hero trees

and for all 3 tier sets depending which one you use

and make it work for 5 different CD timings depending what talents you take

and 1 on-use, 2 on-use, 3 on-use and 0 on-use

and have the cooldowns be optimally lined up with all 4 cantrip item scenarios

[delicate perch]

Delete simc, play off vibes

[wild dune]

real

[vital hound]

about damn time i saw some good writing around here

[scenic mist]

yeah in no way do i minimise the work

[delicate perch]

(Just wait for recruitie to kill boss then steal timer)

[lucid olive]

I'd rather gatekeep whatever APL there is until it's good enough to be shared

than have 20 work in progress APLs floating around

also if you're a simc knower you probably have one already just from word of mouth cause that's usually how these things go

[vital hound]

[normal pilot]

that page is kind of pointless now

it was worthwhile a decade ago when wow was a much bigger & involved community

nowadays wow theorycrafting is an tiny tiny niche and ppl don't really care to look into it

you generally only have a few ppl per spec doing it so there's not going to be any improvements from reactions to wrong info charts

[potent cargo]

0.1 simming

just vibin bro

i got r1 parse on that worm boss in the jailer tier

just off vibe

didnt need to sim

just lock in, channel your inner yomamdr

[blissful thorn]

have sims ptr ?

[loud kettle]

yea

[delicate perch]

Yep, not sharing though

[blissful thorn]

why

[normal pilot]

he's not a man of the people, it's just a disguise

[lofty depot]

grr the foe/trees isn't being held

[lofty depot]

Because gatekeeping something is better than having the warlocks say we're sandbagging if the numby goes up

[dull dust]

ill say it anyway

[lofty depot]

Ur a mage tho

[dull dust]

listen man it takes one to know one

(I'm trolling most classes don't actually sandbag nowadays afaik)

[mighty mica]

most

[maiden pasture]

moonkins do

[calm ibex]

I’m convinced warlocks always do

After

The incident

[nova ocean]

Kalamazi definitely does

I don't understand how people could still say moonkins sandbag after watching this ptr where druids went super sweaty min maxing our broken tier

[lofty depot]

"bug abusers sand bagging actual testing"

"oh btw idk what the bug was something about the HP scaling the cap of their w.e."

Mind u, it wasn't a fucking bug

Anytime u see some other rat fuck that's not playing moonkin talk about moonkin, just disregard what they're saying and their opinion

[dull dust]

wtf

moonkin are good people

[vital hound]

incorrect

they just dont finish/publish the APL until closer to season release

[maiden pasture]

dont finish apl until 3 rounds of buffs

[dull dust]

also I've seen some pretty sus apls that do the opisite of sandbagging

[maiden pasture]

so no one knows how beans we really are

[nova ocean]

I assumed the bug people meant was the dryad benefiting from the ss buff

[night gulch]

wait for buffs, get buffs, finish apl, still dogwater type shit lol

[nova ocean]

Bushes

[dull dust]

am I a rat fuck

[lofty depot]

Idk who u r

[vital hound]

oh man we knew

[dull dust]

ask ur mom

sorry

[vital hound]

pending reroller

[dull dust]

[vital hound]

always

[lofty depot]

I would but she has standards so u likely don't know her

[vital hound]

oh shit

[dull dust]

damn

[lofty depot]

I'm the king of banter

Don't fuck with me

[dull dust]

ill kiss ur mouth

[lofty depot]

Yea I'd like it

[dull dust]

[calm ibex]

Hot

[dull dust]

mabey imma boomkin now

[delicate perch]

my condolences

[dull dust]

[hollow mist]

sorry to hear hope you feel better soon

[dull dust]

it's OK it'll be my offclass anyway

I prob tanking this patch mainly

[vital hound]

itll be off

thats for sure

[dull dust]

the doom is strong

[meager storm]

[delicate perch]

nah that's actually a banger

[digital berry]

Maybe if blizzard made this spec actually interesting people would be more likely to fix and optimize the apl sooner

[delicate perch]

would be funny if anyone else did it

[lofty depot]

Maybe it's hard to do then u get frustrated and play league

[digital berry]

Why would you do that to yourself tho

Eww

[lofty depot]

Idk, weird guy

Hi weird guy

Press enter

[digital berry]

Uh oh

[normal pilot]

if the spec was fun/did more damage you'd definitely have more ppl working on sims

up to a certain degree, the playerbase is much much smaller than back in say legion days

[lofty depot]

Also the people willing to do said work

Far lower assumably

[normal pilot]

ya but if your spec is fun or you get excited about it then you'll have better TC

druids have been bad for a while now so only the real die hards are left

[vital hound]

i want the arctic apl

that shit would bang

[lucid olive]

?

[lofty depot]

I tried once

Fixed the double on use at w.e 2:30 but then it wouldnt use it later

[lofty depot]

Hi

How's it going dad

It could be a fun time to do it right now

Kek

[digital berry]

Until they decide they indeed wanted us to carry over the dryad buff so now you have to change it all again

[lofty depot]

Would've changed that in the last one surely

[digital berry]

8% buff when we are literally unplayable ? Surely that means that was just a first step and they are cooking smth

[normal pilot]

it's good enough

[lofty depot]

Well the apl wasn't finished when they did that so the math I assumed was they could get it working pre buff to 4.8 ish then after 8% is 5.2

Which is playable

[digital berry]

Any idea what the top simmers are simming?

[lofty depot]

Depends if u consider locks doing 6.4

Idk what they are simming now

But 6m

[digital berry]

Unless you consider around 13% difference from the top to the bottom good I guess

[normal pilot]

ya that's more that good enough

[digital berry]

Depressing

[normal pilot]

it's what you're paying for

not gonna change so would have to look elsewhere if it's nto worth it anymore

[digital berry]

Nah I bitch and moan but I’ll still probably play balance next tier and suck it up

[lofty depot]

Maybe u'll blast

[digital berry]

I always do tho

That’s nothing new

[lofty depot]

Hmm

[celest narwhal]

Find a guild that will grey parse and then you can be good all the time

[potent cargo]

😄

[spare dune]

So we restart the cycle: new season, boomie not great and and then they buff us into being amazing

[lofty depot]

Surely

[shy adder]

Hows boomy looking for M+ on PTR right now?

[meager storm]

[meager storm]

when did that happen

[lofty depot]

Beans

[ebon plover]

all of DF and s1

[lofty depot]

That's not what happened in df

[meager storm]

???

brother what

i think we have been playing a diff game

[lofty depot]

Gotta think of a nickname for him

Cuz he's the kekkers of something

[drifting nova]

shitposting

[lofty depot]

That's u

[final patio]

@grok is this true?

[cloud plover]

No

ur welcome

[final patio]

[lofty depot]

Not all the profiles/apl's are complete so no

[sick cargo]

We’re even sandbagging in the misinformation

[lofty depot]

Who the the fuck is we bud

[cloud lion]

Only information that is correct is pinned

[final patio]

I kinda need to gaslight my raidleader so he doesn't make me play feral

[cloud plover]

okay so here's what u do

"no"

done

[lofty depot]

What wr at u at

[final patio]

57

[cloud plover]

he wants to play what he prefers instead of what's good so it don't matter

[cloud lion]

Im already prepared myself to sit on bench with our retri

[lofty depot]

Should be fine... In comparison between feral to boomkin

[cloud lion]

We are missing 2nd mage and SP but cba rerolling

[lofty depot]

Unless weird mechanics come up but doesnt look like it

[cloud plover]

it's picking between awful melee and awful ranged

no big deal

[cloud lion]

Its fine they will give us 10% more dmg buff

[final patio]

[cloud plover]

10% of 0 is still 0

[cloud lion]

Last season they buffed our ST abilities couple times

[stuck meadow]

qe getting buffed

like twice

[cloud lion]

We are on bottom with current raid

We cant go down

[cloud plover]

boomkins: we get buff
rwf: boomkin stacking on dh boss

good luck

[cloud lion]

They were stacking them for stix but still killed him with only boomie

[vital hound]

if it means we get buffed

then its true

[lofty depot]

Wrong

[vital hound]

second to last baby

[lofty depot]

Also wrong

[vital hound]

actual dead last 95th boss damage

[merry crow]

we really really suck on mug and bandit

[lofty depot]

Check max

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/vmuu4Phzlxb.gif

[cloud plover]

let us enjoy looking dead last here

[delicate perch]

someone say max?

[delicate perch]

[crisp scaffold]

rogue 3 spec dps class ,all bad LOL

[lucid olive]

now is the spec bad or is the APL bad

[wild dune]

both

[digital berry]

That’s the best emote I’ve ever seen thank you

[potent cargo]

whats it say tho

[errant flint]

Post sticker

To dl

[digital berry]

Check the name of the bear tank

Aka max

[potent cargo]

[cloud plover]

do i look like i can read this image for ants

😭

[royal zenith]

Surprised you can read at all

[jaunty blaze]

What did he mean by that

[delicate perch]

great question

[royal zenith]

Secret

[cloud plover]

that is true

i often misread things im still learning

[lofty depot]

Is emnithy gatekeeping the name?

[delicate perch]

yep, sadly OCE is far too wholesome to understand the american

[lofty depot]

Oce.... Wholesome?

[royal zenith]

Emnithy is italian I believe

[delicate perch]

yes?

[royal zenith]

Pet names tierlist soon?

[lyric kettle]

🤝

wholesome region ong

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

something the matter @vital hound ??

there's a fuckton of sheep in this Discord btw

not even talking peoples behavior

[vital hound]

Lots of fans mate

[royal zenith]

ahhh that's it

[mighty mica]

1 sheep (@vital hound ) is already too many

[vital hound]

?

[mighty mica]

?

[vital hound]

!

[warm turtle]

So question was the 8% dmg buff impactful or are wel still bottom of the pack?

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

[warm turtle]

Yes it was impactful and are we still bottom of the pack? lol

[jaunty blaze]

Other specs got buffed around the same so not much changed

[crisp scaffold]

I think that was all for balance till the raid is open

[jaunty blaze]

Mayhaps

[crisp scaffold]

They will probably buff single a bit after the first week of raid

Some brainless things like 3% starsurge increase and 5% wrath

[edgy coral]

Going to sleep tonight and waking up to buffs like it’s Christmas

Won’t take until raid

[iron chasm]

Yep that's us

[serene elk]

we took another buff ?

[zenith goblet]

Are we back yet?

[serene elk]

i hope
but not sure

[royal zenith]

Nope

[foggy night]

8% all abilities, dont think so

[royal zenith]

you needed like 20% to be relevant

[maiden pasture]

dont listen to deux we're slamming now trust

[crisp scaffold]

Tettles put balance in C tier

We need like 15% buff on single to get to A tier

[maiden pasture]

in m+ sure

we're bursty in raid and theres bosses with damage amps

thats my copium

[crisp scaffold]

You played balance in raid recently?

[royal zenith]

yeah good thing other classes are not bursty

I think eventually it will be fine, as you will get buffed if massive outlier

problem is timing of when

[crisp scaffold]

After race or 2nd week of raid

[royal zenith]

which makes 1st week absolutely doggy doo doo

M+ will suck, low on prio list for loot, etc.

[crisp scaffold]

Yes ,it affects only boomies who are in top guilds

[royal zenith]

although wouldn't be surprised if you are doing decent dmg when everybody still rocking S2 tierset

[crisp scaffold]

S2 tierset is still good

I saw ppl on ret discord saying that after they change to s3 tierset they lose 19% dmg

on st

[royal zenith]

people on class discord say a lot of things Smile

[crisp scaffold]

True

everyone dooming

[maiden pasture]

let me cope bruv

[royal zenith]

not allowed

[cloud plover]

dog mentioned

[dire osprey]

cant wait to pop all my cds into that and then get overtaken by the bm hunter spamming kill command

[atomic sand]

Are there any boomie sims on the ptr?

[lyric thicket]

Nop

[atomic sand]

😭

[cloud plover]

would you really want to see them

[lyric thicket]

Yes

[cloud plover]

even though the spec is dead..

[lyric thicket]

Yes we havé to practice w/e the status

[cloud plover]

oh so you're saying you don't want sims, you want to have a look at the apl and what it does?

that's fair enough i guess

[lyric thicket]

I need sim to evaluate everything the final number isnt the only good information

[cloud plover]

okay nvm im lost again

[sudden flame]

apl is incomplete so is not public

comparign yourself to an apl is a bad idea though

best bet is to do whatever dreamgrove.gg/balance tells you to do

[pallid bay]

just do this

[lyric thicket]

Guy pls

That not the point xD

[jaunty blaze]

[lyric thicket]

We just wanna be cook mes to have all the data

[pallid bay]

you're not getting it gg

[lyric thicket]

Explain me then pls

[pallid bay]

no

[lyric thicket]

Exactly ty

[cloud plover]

okay i see we're all as lost as me

[vale pebble]

i will explain it to you

[cloud plover]

im glad

[vale pebble]

give me a minute...

[sudden flame]

apl is incomplete so you cannot sim the spec properly in ptr you're very welcome to use the current apl which is up to date for live and do whatever you want with it but it won't provide accurate numbers for ptr sims

[scarlet tapir]

guy pls, that not the point xD

[cloud plover]

nobody (but me) mentioned apl so i dont think its actually relevant to the topic

doesnt seem like the guy actually wanted that

even though it sounded like it

[lyric thicket]

I know , as i Said im hurry to have the good apl etc i dont care about the currnt one who isnt accurate

[cloud plover]

nvm now we're back to it

this is cooked

[sudden flame]

[lyric thicket]

But I dont want only the apl I need build etc

Its just a missûderstantîg with the barrier language I guess

[jaunty blaze]

Not really

[lyric thicket]

😂

[delicate perch]

classic dreamgrove being toxic smh

[vital hound]

log into ptr

click some talents

press some buttons

investigate the numbers

then press some other talents

maybe learn a thing or two

[sudden flame]

here is supposed best ec talent build : CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBMzCLzMDzwMLzsMz2M2MzMmZWMLjxMDbYhBYssNzGGz2IwEAAAgFmxAsZgB
here is supposed best Kotg: CYGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtMGzMwDYWYZmZAzMGmZbGLMzMzMLzYmxMzYDLMADw22YBTzMLjAAAAsZmZmBsZgB
go nuts

[iron flicker]

I did this on my boomkin and shadow priest, and then it made me very sad for my boomkin. What next?

[delicate perch]

I will NOT do this

[vital hound]

delete boomkin

join priest disc

live a better life

[vital hound]

stay strong king

[lyric thicket]

This chan is a lot yes

[vital hound]

@teal sphinx login

[delicate perch]

I agree

[royal zenith]

Looks exactly my rotation, perfect

🤝

[iron flicker]

I have faith in the chicken.

[dire osprey]

nothing changed

[gilded arch]

So reroll it is?

[sudden flame]

you have free will

[gilded arch]

I dont, im part of a hivemind

[molten sandal]

It's shitpost or be shitposted.

I love and hate it equally.

It's in perfect Balance, so to say

[royal zenith]

if you want to reroll to potential meta, just wait

no point in predicting :3

[cloud plover]

i predict evoker good

[dire osprey]

game bad when evoker good

[royal zenith]

grow up

game is good when all classes are good

except warlocks...

[jaunty blaze]

So real

[drifting nova]

so..mop

[royal zenith]

anything that's in the past should stay in the past kekker

s

[molten sandal]

Especially the Vanilla Talent Tree

[royal zenith]

real

[delicate perch]

P link buffed for the 52617th time.. it’s a sign

[gaunt salmon]

this is the first season my m+ team allows me going dps. give me some hope please. i want the chicken

[delicate perch]

Luckily for you, there are other dps to play

[gaunt salmon]

hahahahahha

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

especially for M+ you just wait

play a class till you know what the actual meta is

[gaunt salmon]

m+ and raid, but mainly m+

[delicate perch]

Ya just slowly gear some likely candidates if you reaaallly want and ditch them as the tier goes on

[royal zenith]

but if you want to specifically play moonkin yeah... gl...

[delicate perch]

In a surprise to no one, a lust class is always nice

[gaunt salmon]

is the moonkin or the dk -_-

[royal zenith]

dk is blasting

[gaunt salmon]

yep but only buff is grip 😄

[delicate perch]

[royal zenith]

yeah, definitely not being unkillable

having multiple stuns

insane damage

[delicate perch]

Yeah but grip??? Insane

[royal zenith]

you really want that vortex from boomkin

[delicate perch]

I like single entangling roots myself

[balmy echo]

After the bug is fixed next week, it will be weakened by 10%😩

[fossil hemlock]

My favorite is the grip-tears post saying dreamwalk from evokers is anything like grip

[royal zenith]

then MM hunter

[dire osprey]

nah delete aug

[royal zenith]

and then what

hate on mage?

[dire osprey]

no then i will be happy

[royal zenith]

yeah, right

[dire osprey]

mage doesnt have some cringe support spec (yet)

[dire osprey]

that post was funny as fuck

blast wave/typhoon/dreamwalk are defo the same as grip

[cloud plover]

cant wait for it to appear

inspiration from sod healer mage but instead its buffs

[dire osprey]

i rather just have them heal

Sod mage heal was kinda fun

[royal zenith]

what's the difference between this and a support

[drifting nova]

psst (retail has the very same tree now)

[royal zenith]

yeah, it's terrible

[vale pebble]

(disc priest)

[fossil hemlock]

AFAIK sod arcane works (or was designed to work) exactly like aug, it just heals instead of buffs

[drifting nova]

we needed a new class dont forget

N E E D

[warm ridge]

Any1 knows how many raid kills per slot required for great vault season 3?

[royal zenith]

precisely...

[fossil hemlock]

I get disliking aug back when it was oppressive in DF

[lucid olive]

2/4/6 same as this tier considering it's 8 boss raid again

[fossil hemlock]

But disliking it now feels weird to me

[warm ridge]

Thank you!

[loud kettle]

I dislike it for the same reason I've always disliked it

[drifting nova]

it's conceptually piss poor

[loud kettle]

Makes details meter bad

[drifting nova]

and I barely play with them

[fossil hemlock]

Details has always been bad there's just not a good alternative

[fossil hemlock]

Okay but you're Kekkers so

[loud kettle]

K

[drifting nova]

you were ok with it because it was meta

I wasnt ok with it without seeing one

we are not the same

it's a one off 5th role

that as you know was giga busted on release

a classic of ..can we? sure

but should we? never being asked

[dire osprey]

idk one presses 2 buttons to buff other players every 30 seconds and the other is like a disc priest but with way more dps making it more fun. Also when aug is good they take up spots in every group and raid no matter what the comp is

[drifting nova]

the least offensive version of aug

[dire osprey]

the 2 dont even feel compareable to me

[drifting nova]

is to add +slots to groups

6man dungeons and 21man raids

[fossil hemlock]

Just like every dps does

Aug isn't unique in that way

I bet hunters sure are happy that aug isn't meta and taking up a spot right here

[drifting nova]

surely they're closer to the top

lets not pretend minigame meta is representative of a spec

[fossil hemlock]

That's where they were dominating the hardest, and in raid they were never stacked as much as other dps specs have been in the past

[leaden birch]

hey guys, I was comatose all weekend

was the 8% good? or are we still dooming?

[near raven]

definitely doom

looks like resto will be it for m+ and raid, unless you wanna do tank dps

[dire osprey]

u forget if aug is good they will also take up spots in every key between +2 and +20

the r1 keys will always be purely meta or phys

[vale pebble]

cap

[sudden flame]

supposedly resto only looks good because it is bugged

i dunno if theres truth to that tho

[normal pilot]

doesn't need to be good just needs to be less shittier than other specs

[gleaming cairn]

Should I be gearing an alt then for the start of the raid ?
I mean we were 2nd to last in LOU beside Styx and maybe Gally. Blizzard won’t leave us at the bottom twice in a row, will they ?

[rich jewel]

someone gotta be

[sudden flame]

A: do you play at a wr where it matters
B: does your guild need a Druid

[lofty depot]

They very much have left us bottom 1/3 forever

We're not the very bottom in 11.1 and we're currently not very bottom sim in 11.2

[normal pilot]

honestly if you haven't already consistently been preparing alts for every tier then you're prolly not at the level where class diff matters over just being a good player

[sudden flame]

^

[leaden birch]

yeah I would never do splits

i just play druid because my guild needs mark

[lofty depot]

Our mage takes vacation during prog so I have to play mage sometimes

[gleaming cairn]

That’s sure !
I’m playing (decently) but for fun. I aim CE in 2 or 3d of raid per week.

I’ll check with my RL see what’s needed

And if the other boomkin is staying on his druid or not 🙂

Thank you all

[leaden birch]

maybe I'll go feral

🤮

[gleaming cairn]

😱

[normal pilot]

idk if feral's any better off, even if it does more damage melee slots are more contested

if you're gonna play something new you may as well play an actually good class

[sudden flame]

Wtf….

[devout condor]

am i stupid? why cant i enter solar eclipse

[leaden birch]

maybe I'll just go touch grass for s3

[devout condor]

do we only ever want to enter lunar in

[leaden birch]

your hero talents

[devout condor]

M+

[leaden birch]

are you EC?

[devout condor]

ah i see

[leaden birch]

[devout condor]

so we basically only ever wrath to enter lunar in M+ as ec

its always starfire all day everyday

[scenic mist]

• dots + starfall + FoE + incarn but yeah basically

[devout condor]

just did a 9 top feel like my dmg was rlly lackluster but im still getting the hang of it

[scenic mist]

the shorter/smaller the pull, the worse we are off

[iron flicker]

Boomkin damage can feel bad in low keys if you have burst classes killing the mobs before you can dot + starfall

[devout condor]

in larger pulls do we have to moonfire every single target?

sunfire obvi hits them all but how many moonfires am i throwing out

[scenic mist]

yes

[iron flicker]

yes, if they are gonna live more than 5 seconds

[devout condor]

do i want to hold all cd's until all mobs are moonfired or would i pop fury or anything

weaving in between moonfires

[scenic mist]

wait for everything to be moonfired

cd window is very short and must be dedicated to starfires/starfalls

[devout condor]

starfall on anything 2+

[scenic mist]

yes

[iron flicker]

if you are in less than a 10 with burst classes you can probably just ignore the pad mobs like the laborers in dfc, but you will want to moonfire all the main mobs

[scenic mist]

basically moonfire any mob you actually wanna damage

[dire osprey]

low keys kotg is prob more fun to play

[scenic mist]

as in you wont damage much an unmoonfired target

[devout condor]

seems pretty straight forward

raidbots is telling me a 652 ring is better than a cryces circlet

i thought the siren ring was giga bis for us

[scenic mist]

show the sim

[devout condor]

oh nvm my ring was missing a gem let me re-sim

[scenic mist]

it's unusual indeed

if fathomdweler is in it should sim as high as the best rings

[devout condor]

its not a max ilvl circlet i cant seem to get the 2nd quest to pop up to increase ilvl

[scenic mist]

loot mob kill rares open chests i believe

[devout condor]

also i think my mastery is super low

https://gyazo.com/fa7d229ef6e9d72e8f630116aaecbb63

[scenic mist]

% dont mean a thing

ratings matter

[devout condor]

17,163

[scenic mist]

mastery rating should be well above others

[devout condor]

it is

sim is fixed didnt realize i aws missing a gem

all is well

[scenic mist]

general sim gives mastery >> haste >> crit/vers

[exotic perch]

but also dont look at % of mastery

its different for every class

[covert bronze]

would anyone be willing to take a peek at this log and let me know what i could/should have done to do more damage? i'm very new to raid boomie

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7X1FMPTbdLhY2yJj?fight=6%2C18&type=damage-done

[crystal mortar]

Am I still getting benched with the 8% buff? Boomy is the only thing I know D:

[leaden birch]

you're being taken for mark

[lucid olive]

Your opener is okay, but you should hold the CA press until the Force of Nature GCD is about to end. Ideally your opener is (start max range at 4 seconds) Wrath-Wrath-Starfire-Moonfire-Sunfire-Treants-CA+Starsurge+Trinket-Empty AP-Convoke

[cloud plover]

are you a good player that contributes beyond just placing mark

[crystal mortar]

That's not really for me to say. Id like to think so

I parse 85-90 in heroic

But parses and play together is what matters imo

[lucid olive]

Plan better for movement, shouldn't need to Dash here, and should not need to spend 4 globals on dots. Also you should use Force of Nature before CA on 0:34 on the 2nd use. Also make sure to just macro Nature's Vigil to your CA

[lucid olive]

Hold this CA for Convoke 30 seconds later

[leaden birch]

I feel like that is something you should be able to say and judge about your own play

[crystal mortar]

I think I'm pretty good.

[lucid olive]

The technicians on heroic doesn't need all these dots on them, also snce you used CA at 1:33 you don't have it here for Convoke.

Never Convoke without CA, never CA without treants

[leaden birch]

then you should be good

[crystal mortar]

Aight thanks

[leaden birch]

it wouldn't be the best if your guild made their raid comp solely based on icyveins dps rankings

[covert bronze]

okay so I should just always have my cd's overlap

[crystal mortar]

As much as possible yeah

[lucid olive]

Yes

[lucid olive]

CA is a charge cooldown so there is no loss in holding it for the 2nd charge to be available

[covert bronze]

I was trying to make them overlap but I didn't know how long it was worth sitting on them to force it

[crystal mortar]

Well with how CA banks charges you're not losing DPS by holding it. If a fight goes on for a very long time then it might be worth using CA outside of convoke but only if the next convoke would also have CA available for it

Or if the fight is about to end and your convoke won't be cooled down before it's iver

Over

[lucid olive]

Hold Treants if Convoke CD is less than 25s away (10 seconds + 15 seconds with Control of the Dream talented), hold CA if Convoke is available before you will have regained a 2nd CA charge

Hold Convoke for Trinket if playing Control of the Dream and using 2m trinket

I like to treat trinket cd/Convoke cd as an anchor point for the rest of my CDs to line up with

And then always do Force of Nature before pressing CA

this is because Force of Nature is just a damage modifier and the trees themselves do very little dmg

And CA is off the GCD

So you want to spend as many damaging globals as possible inside both windows

This will change next patch though with the new tier set

[covert bronze]

gotcha, thank you

[serene elk]

why use moonfire if treant use it too ?

[lucid olive]

For consistency

Depending on your haste you can end up sending a bunch of globals or Convoke spells into targets not affected by Moonfire part of mastery

The 1 extra global spent on Moonfire is not as big of a loss as sending 2 Starsurge casts that aren't affected by modifiers

[lofty depot]

Because the tree is slow and u can press 2 surges before it moonfires ur target

[jaunty blaze]

or you play mugzee and your trees moonfire anything but the boss

[lucid olive]

i don't have that issue anymore since we started pulling the boss to the entrance instead

so the trees can't reach the bots

[errant flint]

I might be dumb but how am I supposed to remember all that above?

I haz the stupids

[lucid olive]

with short rules and some logical thinking

[normal pilot]

turn on assisted combat + put all CDs in one macro

[errant flint]

Is it just finger lore atp

[lofty depot]

Go hit a dummy a few hundred times

[errant flint]

Bet bet

I should probably spend a few hours in an out of cd’s being up

Also plz no double on use trinkets next season 🙏

[lofty depot]

Currently not using it, but u never know

[dry compass]

Don't think there is unless I missed one when I was playing around on ptr

But last minute tuning could change that

[lofty depot]

Lily + araz

Would be it

[lofty depot]

Can do this

To practice

U press trees less now so more fun spamming

[errant flint]

This the APL from raidbots?

[lofty depot]

A sample of actions

[errant flint]

[lofty depot]

Those actions are using the apl

[dry compass]

Is there really that much value going through the action list outside of opener/cd windows?

Would've thought it's better to focus on the APL conditions rather than the sim output

[lucid olive]

tytherius with some real bangers

[plucky valley]

We’re so back ❤️

[lofty depot]

How do u then see which is better or worse without the output

[dry compass]

I mean if you're comparing different APLs you still don't really care about the action list beyond verifying your APL is executing as intended

If the question is why X and not Y, it's because APLs that do Y are lower DPS

[errant flint]

I assume after the opener its really all just following the priority?

[dry compass]

Yes

You can view every single GCD as a fresh run down the APL

[errant flint]

Then to me at least the APL is just a more detailed layout of the priority visually.

[dry compass]

Essentially

It's a collection of if/else statements build for SimC basically

[lofty depot]

Well the prio list posted on dreamgrove is a readable version of the apl yes

But making changes to the apl u still have to test it and see the difference in outputs

[errant flint]

Hard for me to remember conditions when button mashing

I am debuffed irl

[lofty depot]

Tragic

Go practice

[errant flint]

[lofty depot]

Step into raid not knowing what to do is how u do shit dam

[errant flint]

Have the attention span of a rock

[errant flint]

I cant embarrass myself like that

[dry compass]

You need the practice feedback loop to make it subconscious

[lofty depot]

Well u can record it gameplay with a gcd tracker and do the rotation for 5 minutes, then rewatch it while looking at the prio list.

[dry compass]

And ironically that's where the action output list is handy

You can put the two lists side by side and see where you got it wrong

[errant flint]

Actually big brain

I didnt think of that

[lofty depot]

Yea every action goes down the apl, "what is the next action" then goes down the 12 items

Then restarts every time

[lucid olive]

And the Compendium guide is meant to be an easier way to interpret the APL visually

without all the coding noise

[digital berry]

but also you can jsut post logs in here and have us review them

[lofty depot]

Learning how to read the prio list or apl could help learn how to play faster

[dry compass]

And by "review" we mean arctic will process every gcd you use against the APL and roast you when you get it wrong

[lucid olive]

yeah heck that guy

[digital berry]

no yeah absolutely but there are just some pieces of information that are very hard to understand by reading, and prio lists are hella hard to read for some (me)

[lucid olive]

what do you mean you can't make sense of this?

actions+=/variable,name=pre_cd_condition,value=(!talent.whirling_stars|!talent.convoke_the_spirits|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<gcd.max*2|fight_remains<cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains+3|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+15*talent.control_of_the_dream)&(variable.on_use_trinket=0|(variable.on_use_trinket=1|variable.on_use_trinket=3)&(trinket.1.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+(15*talent.control_of_the_dream)|!talent.convoke_the_spirits&hero_tree.elunes_chosen&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration|talent.convoke_the_spirits&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<3&(ceil((fight_remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-trinket.1.cooldown.remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration))|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>trinket.1.cooldown.remains&cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration<trinket.1.cooldown.remains+15)|trinket.1.cooldown.remains+6>fight_remains|trinket.1.cooldown.ready)|variable.on_use_trinket=2&(trinket.2.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time+(15*talent.control_of_the_dream)|!talent.convoke_the_spirits&hero_tree.elunes_chosen&trinket.1.cooldown.remains>cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration|talent.convoke_the_spirits&(cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains<3&(ceil((fight_remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration)>ceil((fight_remains-trinket.2.cooldown.remains-10)%cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.duration))|cooldown.convoke_the_spirits.remains>trinket.2.cooldown.remains&cooldown.ca_inc.full_recharge_time-cooldown.ca_inc.duration<trinket.2.cooldown.remains+15)|trinket.2.cooldown.remains+6>fight_remains|trinket.2.cooldown.ready))&cooldown.ca_inc.remains<gcd.max&!buff.ca_inc.up

are u noob

[lofty depot]

Smh

[loud kettle]

whats hard to understand about that apl line

[lucid olive]

I imagine sending that in here looks really obnoxious for people who don't have vencord

[calm ibex]

I understand it completely

It basically says

Hit button

Do damage