balance

[brave gulch]

sup

[lucid olive]

someone sent ass and spawned phased

typical

[hollow mist]

hey phased

[mighty mica]

brigader spotted

[hollow mist]

[lament sigil]

hello

[hollow mist]

hello fellow balance druid puzzlebox

[brave gulch]

heyyyy

[brave gulch]

quiet

[nova ocean]

@lofty depot where buffs

[hollow mist]

dude???/

[lofty depot]

Tomorrow for sure

[brave gulch]

I have to raid in 5 days

[lament sigil]

@royal zenith where's build man DO SOMETHING

[brave gulch]

im not ready

[royal zenith]

I CANT do SOMETHING

[lucid olive]

that's fine i know this really good resto player in your guild that can take over

[hollow mist]

be a real man and lock in already

[brave gulch]

tettles can take my character as well

good luck to him

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle thoughts?

time to heal main raid bucko

[lofty depot]

Account sharing @ blizzard

[wicked shuttle]

listen phased

you got me

[nova ocean]

We actually need a 30percent aura buff this time

[wicked shuttle]

im afk in dornogal

[lofty depot]

Well if other go down 10. We only need a 20 🙂

[lucid olive]

tettles "i am making my return to raiding" sat on bench for Phased entire tier

gg

[brave gulch]

[wicked shuttle]

and if you dont got me then sol has us both dw

[brave gulch]

real

[nova ocean]

This lol

[wicked shuttle]

this is just the reality of raiding

happens

[lucid olive]

ye unfortunate

[brave gulch]

I was benched for the entire tier in amirdrassil

blizzard moment

[wicked shuttle]

i sat all of VOTI until Broodkeeper

[lofty depot]

Non-feral moment

[wicked shuttle]

wouldve been turbo benched in amirdrassil as well if i didnt quit xd

[loud kettle]

im low wr enough to never sit bosses

[wicked shuttle]

just means youre better than the rest of your guild

[lofty depot]

Or no one plays druid

[north stag]

Or guild is progging the roster boss

[royal zenith]

to be fair, in tettles his situation I'd be fine just copping a few reclears...

[loud kettle]

im only druid yea

[royal zenith]

(in case dinars happen)

[lofty depot]

Everyone complained, so we're not getting dinars again

[royal zenith]

there will still be good trinkets and higher ilvl in raid!

[errant flint]

Dinars werent slop but I dont feel I ever needed them. Nice to have yea.

But no more slop content plz

[royal zenith]

what do you mean content

it's just gear

[errant flint]

I dont love this version of dinars.

[royal zenith]

even makes you talk with punctuation

[errant flint]

Crazy huh

[royal zenith]

I dunno, think it's fine to have dinars this way

people just spoiled cause of fated

[errant flint]

Yes

[brave gulch]

no I MUST have my mythic eye of kezan because I killed heroic gallywix

[errant flint]

Since you mentioned it: boooo fated

[royal zenith]

now fated is proper slop-content

[errant flint]

Is slop ever proper

[jaunty cliff]

guys. id like to watch some boomies livestreaming to see how bd it is in m+. do you know any other streamers other than dwilkz?

[past tide]

Is ptr up

[lucid olive]

yes

[scarlet tapir]

why? is he not good enough for you?

[errant flint]

Tarisant

[jaunty cliff]

hes just offline and im searching someone streaming now

dwilkz mod detected xD

[errant flint]

Oh now now? Yea got nothing

[jaunty cliff]

sad 😦

but ill save it to watch when hes on

[errant flint]

Lots of streamers playing everything but wow

[errant flint]

Streams a few times a week still. More when season is popping off.

Given they fix chkm how do you know if youre moving too much in a raid fight? Let’s say youre playing perfect prio rotation, pooling ap for movement etc.

[tranquil plank]

Record yourself with a gcd tracker that shows downtime between globals.

Wowanalyzer does an okay job at identifying downtime.

[errant flint]

Cool ty will do

Is there a threshold like be under X% downtime thats acceptable?

[loud kettle]

10

idk your goal is always 0

Don't settle for anything else

[tepid inlet]

keep waking up expecting to see tuning

mop time ig

[loud kettle]

need to stop waking up

[mighty mica]

i wish

https://tenor.com/view/every-day-every-day-i-wake-up-i-wake-up-marriage-story-marriage-story-wake-up-gif-19948669

[hollow mist]

every day i wake up :)

[jaunty cliff]

when wowanalyzer compares my dmg to top100 players, does it take my gear into account? or is it comparing like i'm at their ilvl?

[royal zenith]

it takes top 100 damage into account

not ilvl/gear

ilvl parses are also extremely irrelevant

[ebon plover]

We are so back

[scarlet tapir]

what do u think

if its says the dps there

...

[grand prawn]

Any updates on ptr?

[royal zenith]

nope

[lucid olive]

why not

[royal zenith]

the universe is against us

[lofty depot]

Bluetracker.gg

[scarlet tapir]

u.gg

[covert coyote]

buffs on friday so they can step away for the weekend and avoid backlash

spoiler: balance druid 4% starsurge buff

[wild dune]

3% aura 8% surge 10% starfall, best ur getting

[wheat forge]

Does anyone know if the APL is up to date?

[lucid olive]

up to date for what

[wheat forge]

For boomy

[lucid olive]

oh i thought you meant for warlock

i meant up to date for PTR or for live

[wheat forge]

Ah yeah, easy mistake to make

[lucid olive]

you're in the balance channel so what spec you're talking about is implied

oh well you stopped responding

you can find the APL here https://github.com/dreamgrove/dreamgrove/blob/master/sims/owl/balance.txt

its updated for the current patch on live servers but not on PTR

if you want to make any official changes to it then open a pull request in dreamgrove and i'll look through it

[wheat forge]

Thanks

And yeah PTR is what I'm interested in

[lucid olive]

then no

we only got keeper sims implemented yesterday

and how to play it properly is very much up in the air still

[wheat forge]

Gotcha

[nova ocean]

Do the sims show us doing 6m

[royal zenith]

no

[nova ocean]

Scrap it and start over till we are

[pallid bay]

make me mod and ill clean it up

[wicked shuttle]

deal

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[zenith goblet]

what if we sacrifice tettles for boomie buffs?

[fossil crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[nova ocean]

Didn't we get buffs last time we locked tettles grandma in a cage

[crisp scaffold]

bro wtf ,they care more about mop than retail

[jaunty cliff]

i swapped my WA from afenar to dwilkz’s version (which is also from afenar but edited), and the original had a feature where when i triggered an eclipse, it would change the wrath or starfire icon to match the active eclipse. looking at the WA, i saw it's a trigger doing that, but i cant figure out how to make it work on the edited version. i even tried copying the whole 'Core' group from the original to the edited one, but the icons still wont change. can anyone help me set that up? i think it helps me track my eclipses better

[drifting nova]

wrong game

[lucid olive]

@wicked shuttle we're coming for her

[wicked shuttle]

LMFAO

[hasty shard]

His hair wasn't enough. Blood for the blood gods

[lofty depot]

Not even 5m

Barely 4.5

[hasty shard]

What if they just leave it? Resto on top, even buff Feral.

When was the last time Balance was objectively bad?

[cloud plover]

Last 2 expansions

[meager storm]

last time boomy was decent in raid was voti

[cloud plover]

Minigame doesn't exist, raid they've rarely done well outside of super niches like stix

therefore it's been a while

[hasty shard]

My apologies. I didn't clarify. I just assume it will be bad for raid, no matter what. I meant for M+

[lofty depot]

It hasn't been brought to rwf since rasz, and liquid didn't bring it for that echo did

So objectively since sl

[cloud plover]

We don't speak of m+

Thanks

[lofty depot]

Uhh, well it's not been meta every season

[cloud plover]

plague that should return to irrelevancy

[lofty depot]

But u can play anything realistically 2-3 levels off of title so

[nova ocean]

Isn't that less the ec st

[lofty depot]

Well both are less than 5m

[errant flint]

Hey guys can you fix it?

[strange edge]

This has been the most meta in Mythic plus weve been in a while. And that's mainly because of beam

[pallid bay]

boomie was decent in voti?

[meager storm]

it was fun

wtf was that

[lofty depot]

He was trying to hack u

[wicked shuttle]

yoink

i got the money

[pallid bay]

is dornogal still bricked on ptr

[wicked shuttle]

was as of 2 hours ago

havent checked since then

lemme look

[pallid bay]

ill just copy over a new char

[lucid olive]

you can't go to dornogal right now cause they're live editing the moonkin buffs on the Undercoin vendor

[errant flint]

[lucid olive]

need to do 50 level 12 delves and your Wrath will do more dam

[errant flint]

My god if that was real im just logging in to cry on repeat

[lucid olive]

not a delve enjoyer?

[lucid olive]

according to guilty

[lofty depot]

1% more start dam every 50 delves?

Maw of souls runs are so back

[lofty depot]

Good frien

[true viper]

god please dont make feral be druid buff next tier

[lofty depot]

It's rdru don't worry

[royal zenith]

where buffs

[night gulch]

tomorrow for sure

[lofty depot]

Tomorrow for sure

I'm in NOLA till Monday night, so probably then

o7 the weekend

[wicked shuttle]

1.5 hours

[summer kayak]

guys who test 11.2, how is balance looking for casual m+ push keys etc, not raiding, not hardcore...still good?

[wicked shuttle]

Awful

[lofty depot]

Good no

[lucid olive]

the worst you've ever seen it

[lofty depot]

But casual probably fine

[lucid olive]

and then a bit worse than that

[scarlet tapir]

ur not getting anything

[wicked shuttle]

It’s probably the worst spec in the game in raid

[scarlet tapir]

i killed the blizz dev in game

no more tuning

[wicked shuttle]

And bottom 5 in m+

[lofty depot]

And that includes Aug

[errant flint]

Curse of my existence. Necessary in early gearing only to me.

Plus all the worst people go from max delve loot to small keys and just terrorize me.

[steel dirge]

dang so if im running balance rn should i move to something else to prepare for 11.2

[summer kayak]

really? 😦

[errant flint]

They gotta keep up the bit and im here for it. Its a bit right yea

[lofty depot]

If u care about performance

[summer kayak]

waw, that bad they nerf it? 😦

[lofty depot]

A lot of people play balance regardless

[lofty depot]

Should read patch notes

The nerf was pretty heavy handed

[steel dirge]

man i might have to switch to my death knight then cause i do care abt performance lol

[lofty depot]

Was also bigger than stated I initially

DK kek

Udk do be slammin

[summer kayak]

i read that but wanted to know from those who test it if it's that bad

every season i have to switch between boomie / warlock destr,affli / hunter mm 😡

[lofty depot]

U could just play lock.and not have to swap

Instead u choose to play bad spec

[summer kayak]

i liked boomie in s2, for my gameplay. but seems i have to switch it now

[cold sparrow]

you should play survival

[summer kayak]

not for my playstyle, sorry 🙂

[lofty depot]

No final decisions til raid week

[summer kayak]

i don't do raids anyway...but yeah..i know what you mean.

[lofty depot]

Well m+ u can objectively wait til .5 patch for the meta

So dont be stressed, u can do keys with w.e. spec u want for 2 months regardless

[cold sparrow]

[past tide]

If he cares he would not play druid in the first place

Any spec

Go warlock or mage

[nova ocean]

Wats funny about that is that the spec has gotten zero changed going into next season the tuning is purely based off of the tier set

Shows how bad the base spec is

[past tide]

This is true for many specs

They dont care anymore

Resto druid got 0 changes but tier set

Too busy using dev power in 300 diff versions of wow

Classic classic classic hardcore classic anniversary classic mop

Tbc hardcore

[fossil hemlock]

Yeah I'm sure it's the same dev team in classic and retail

[mighty mica]

naturally

[past tide]

Wouldnt surprise me

I assume as you assume

[mighty mica]

(it's not)

[past tide]

Source??

[errant flint]

Idk if thats good or bad

[mighty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[past tide]

Based

Same

[wild dune]

@lofty depot you have the ss right

Cuz if boomie doesn't get changes by Saturday I'm gonna forget

[errant flint]

I also saved it

[lofty depot]

Well u can look up in search but yes

[jaunty blaze]

[vital hound]

@lofty depot where the fuck are notes

[lofty depot]

Tomorrow for sure

[vital hound]

[meager storm]

any minute now

[zenith goblet]

[jaunty blaze]

they will be there when i wake up tomorrow

[lofty depot]

P crazy we go a full week for tuning

[vital hound]

fr

[midnight bough]

Think there will be more balancing or just bug fuxes?

[pure niche]

does anyone know if theres a tier set gains s3 spreadsheet yet?

[normal pilot]

there's nothing reliable

you may as well make up some numbers and put it on a google doc you'll be just as well off

[pure niche]

ait

[lofty depot]

The doc doesn't go public til week of patch, or raid week. A lot of classes just got implemented tier sets a few days ago

[pure niche]

[lofty depot]

Yes to both

[teal lotus]

they should just buff elunes chosen tier set so everyone forgets about the KotG one

[lofty depot]

Well they need to buff both

[teal lotus]

okay true I like where your head is at

[pallid bay]

its up his own ass

[lofty depot]

It wouldn't fit up there

[pallid bay]

we're so back

[dense steeple]

did we figure it out

we're so back?

[jaunty blaze]

we are so advanced

[meager storm]

damn i wonder how many targets

[normal pilot]

can't wait for ppl to get mechanics during ramp and just do 0 dps

[scenic mist]

Are mimiron sims ready for us ?

[pallid bay]

1

[pallid bay]

not for you..

[meager storm]

right

[pallid bay]

you can sim but you need an APL

[meager storm]

i dont believe u

[pallid bay]

and i dont have one to share

[meager storm]

[pallid bay]

you asked the wrong question..

[meager storm]

oh

30s fight duration

[pallid bay]

1 min..

[strange edge]

Fastest sprinters for the first 5 meters of the 40

[candid dragon]

boomy die ?

[nova ocean]

Tomorrow for sure

[snow elm]

no more tuning needed. boomies are fine where they are in their niche. they've had their time in the sun now its time for them to step back and let other classes have fun

[placid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-the-what-the-hell-wtf-gif-8562994133044611418

[ebon plover]

holy fk

the buffs are massive

we are so back

[topaz pine]

This guy surely aint no boomie main

[summer kayak]

buffs of what?

[delicate perch]

[ebon plover]

[lucid olive]

whats the niche

[meager storm]

its ragebait

[lofty depot]

Please describe their niche

[topaz pine]

so niche, even the niche is niche

[lofty depot]

The niche is non-existent and the niche ur likely talking about were like the 3rd best at it

[delicate perch]

The niche: your guild literally has no other Druids

[topaz pine]

and then they are probably looking for a resto druid

[lofty depot]

What about

Is my guild wrong

[topaz pine]

u know, the only good thing is, it cant get any worse

right?

[lofty depot]

We could run 2-3 more without losing other buffs lol

So it sure as shit can get worse

[delicate perch]

They could all then go feral too

[orchid fable]

no balance patch in ptr?

[lofty depot]

Bluetracker.gg

[shrewd moss]

i just turned into a resto druid full time, i always offspec healed anyway may as well make it permanent at this point

[exotic stump]

Guys I just got buffed

(guild wants me to play WL next tier)

[vital hound]

so that was a lie

[delicate perch]

you trusted arctic?

[stiff spear]

So balance looking like trash for season 3?

[lucid olive]

No

[exotic stump]

Nah the buffs are gonna be huge

[lucid olive]

One mans trash can at least be another mans treasure

Season 3 balance can not be anybodys treasure

[exotic stump]

And I heard dimensius has 12 target spread cleave

[stiff spear]

I haven’t seen the buff notes yet. I did see the pins

[delicate perch]

you know it's bad when tettles goes resto

it's literally so over

[wild dune]

[lofty depot]

Well no, it's for him to check instead of asking

[errant flint]

[wild dune]

dw guys mop classic players can go kill a raid boss in tbc without being rooted

[delicate perch]

finally the game is playable

[merry ibex]

Where do you guys go for the latest sims from the ptr

[nova ocean]

Here

[rain hinge]

Careful talking about boomie being back. We will get nerfed again

[lofty depot]

well, evenutally one of the gamers will post them. You can run your own sim on mimiron but the APL isnt optimized yet

[delicate perch]

God I hope so, I heard talk of one of them beating the tank

[true thicket]

I have a bug when I enter moonkin form from human form it sends it into a loop where it makes me leave moonkin form and back into human form in an endless loop

am i crazy

[lucid olive]

yes

[true thicket]

it just endlessly shifts me from the two

any knowers

[normal pilot]

it's an old bug from DF

try relog/respec/turn hold & cast on and off in options

[true thicket]

yippie ty

[dense steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-16875499

[cold sparrow]

Run it again

[fossil crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/today-is-the-day-gif-25261707

[delicate perch]

Nope, maybe tomorrow

[serene elk]

where the fcking buff ?

[crisp scaffold]

tODAY 4 SurE

[cold sparrow]

I'm keeping it safe

[ionic oak]

So the future folk are confirming that when I wake up tomorrow we still suck?

[jaunty blaze]

Yes

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/it-could-be-today-grandma-messi-ohne-ohnepixel-mydrilla-gif-11410354323425984183

[dire osprey]

tuning today?

surely?

[royal zenith]

where tunung

ing

...

[cloud plover]

tung tung tung tung sahur

[hollow mist]

we trust u shmie

[hollow mist]

good morning alpha bumkin

[cold sparrow]

tuning is in my box

it's hiding

cause people keep asking for it

so now it's shy

[hollow mist]

we'll get it eventually I'm sure ^^

[past tide]

Ballerina cappuccina

Tralalero tralala

Tun tun tun tun sahur

[delicate perch]

We’ll be even worse (somehow)

[twin lotus]

cant wait for the buffs today

[jaunty blaze]

[patent girder]

I thought buffs were tomorrow?

[loud kettle]

They're tomorrow yea

[exotic stump]

Tomorrow for sure

[gritty granite]

Any minute now

[exotic stump]

Well no

Tomorrow is in 24h

[ionic oak]

Whos tomorrow?

Oh damn its tomorrow for me now

[dire osprey]

any day now

[royal zenith]

technically right but also wrong

[jaunty blaze]

Its always tomorrow somewhere

[true viper]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-focus-lebronfocus-nba-gif-4707076931533005683

[stuck meadow]

going to bed and surely ill wake up to good news

[exotic stump]

Why would you go to bed at 10am

[hollow mist]

I go to bed at 2 pm

[summer kayak]

they plan to buff boomie?

[fossil crypt]

For sure, believe!

[summer kayak]

hmm

[jaunty blaze]

We sure know their plans

[exotic stump]

Realistically we're so down bad we're guaranteed a buff

But as to how good the buff will be ...

[gentle patio]

3%

from bottom of the bottom to just bottom

[jaunty blaze]

I think if you expect something you'll just end up disappointed

[fossil crypt]

We have to be above aug right?

[jaunty blaze]

Barely

[summer kayak]

sadly i think i will gave up on boomie after so long. will go hunter or lock 😦

[jaunty blaze]

Weak

[summer kayak]

?

[twin lotus]

yeah definetely buffs

coming today or tomorrow

most like tomorrow for sure

[crisp scaffold]

Buffs after the race

[summer kayak]

how do you know? 🙂

[jaunty blaze]

Dont take it seriously

[twin lotus]

We are coping here, let us be

[summer kayak]

i never take seriously lol 🙂 but idk what you meant by "weak" (me or classes i said?)

[jaunty blaze]

Jumping off boomie

But you can do what you like

[fossil crypt]

I don't care that boomie are trash in raid, but being weak at both would suck balls

[summer kayak]

well, to play a class who can't do shit in any content, it's no fun..i'm casual player of 1-2h evening play (not daily)...so yeah...need fun when i log in game.

[crisp scaffold]

I for one tried a range caster class for the first time ,that being Moonkin ,had some fun ,but whenever I did lower keys with my friends I wanted un unalive myself

[jaunty blaze]

I get that

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-james-walking-suit-walking-gif-25039168

[zenith goblet]

[hollow mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-miku-dance-dance-anime-girl-gif-13118924279443462854

[cloud plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1113588372418605168/1372656708211441736/IMG_7374.gif

[wicked shuttle]

Spec sucks

[subtle harness]

what are you going to play?

[wicked shuttle]

Idk. Midnight Beta or something

Resto maybe

[royal zenith]

time to become full-time arpg enjoyer

[wicked shuttle]

New TFT set soon

[royal zenith]

man can they just drop the new buffs/nerfs tho

[maiden pasture]

there are none

their gift to bamkins

1 tier vacation

[royal zenith]

rerolling to Entropy anyway

what are the chances of a new spec in your opinion @wicked shuttle

(honest question)

[wicked shuttle]

Low

[royal zenith]

bro...

[true viper]

New spec in .5 patch

Surely

[dire osprey]

[atomic sand]

boomie is dead 😭

[drifting nova]

so dead I've rerolled

I'm a priest now gg

[patent hawk]

noo

dont give up

[dire osprey]

yeah its looking like a warlock angle maybe

[jaunty blaze]

How does boomie type this then

[delicate perch]

Set is fun, pbe is degenerate though will be fun when live

[dire osprey]

rerolled

[scarlet tapir]

ur bronze put the fries in the bag

[jaunty blaze]

Boomn't

[cloud plover]

i cant wait to play boomie split alt

[scarlet tapir]

cant wait to play 2x evoker

cause no one wants to play it

sadge

[cloud plover]

so ur the loser in ur guild who took the bullet

i narrowly avoided it

[scarlet tapir]

i mean i main evoker

might aswell play a second

so its just repeat on mount boosts

[cloud plover]

yea i think id rather uninstall than play the same spec twice

[scarlet tapir]

i will prob boost mythic on other alts again so

its whatever

besides guild boosts

[cloud plover]

my comm wants 680 alts to do boosting but i cba getting stuff up to 680

my stuffs like 670-675

[royal zenith]

hows devoker next tier @scarlet tapir

are they at least playing SC?

[cloud plover]

sc

[molten sandal]

Are the Intermission Mug'Zee Voidzones entirely random, or are they roughly baited by players? I know there are at least some random Voids, but we are unsure about the exact mechanic

[royal zenith]

voidzones?

you mean the blue swirlies

[molten sandal]

Yes

[royal zenith]

yeah they are rougly baited by players but like

you're running in a circle anyway

best to just stack as much as you can and keep running

[scarlet tapir]

its mid

i wanna be numba 1 again

sadege

i mean its prob top 5 realistically

aug looking good too

[royal zenith]

I'm not touching dev again, I can't play that spec

[scarlet tapir]

have to get some tips from @rich jewel the numba 1 aug

[molten sandal]

So players that run ahead cause trouble for others. Thanks!

[royal zenith]

💀 skill issue

[royal zenith]

yeah definitely they can

[scarlet tapir]

fluup just built diff

bro went from a very good balance to rank 1 aug

[royal zenith]

yeah fluup is built diff

unironically

and not glazing

[royal zenith]

it's the same principle as bombs

for communicating with the group/guild

[rich jewel]

they are for sure not atm

sc dev beyond deadge

[royal zenith]

FS stinky

[molten sandal]

We are having issues with people dying in that phase and were thinking about adjusting our strategy, but if they are (even only roughly) baited by players, running in a group is better. Thanks! Is there a compendium of sorts about the details of mechanics? Like "only targets ranged" or "Can't get Katamari-Mechanic in a row"?

[royal zenith]

Not atm

would be great to have that, but requires quite a bit of effort in writing it down

I know chicken use to do it per boss in the past

[hollow mist]

yucky

[royal zenith]

no SC is banger

[hollow mist]

flameshaper the goat

[royal zenith]

[hollow mist]

[royal zenith]

⛔

[cloud plover]

[scarlet tapir]

Do u know the forbidden blueprint opener?

[hollow mist]

no what is it :3

[scarlet tapir]

A varation of this

This one was maystine

[hollow mist]

this is

concerning

[vital hound]

@lofty depot where notes

[fossil crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/hopium-lotr-hopium-lotr-gif-6498827665214997466

[errant charm]

I can't seem to get details to work on PTR, any help? 😐

[royal zenith]

pretty sure they made fun of maystine during WF race too

cause he did that order

gg's

(they = evoker discord)

[scarlet tapir]

that was him

blueprint was another one

but it was equally bad

[wicked shuttle]

How bad is it?

I assume you FB instead of eternity surge there?

[scarlet tapir]

u wanna tip fb so u double engulf with all buffs

esurge not that important tbh u just press it after

[royal zenith]

you have the possibility of your consume window to just run out

if too many globals

[scarlet tapir]

on aoe u dont even press it at all only to extend dr

[wicked shuttle]

But that doesn’t answer how bad it is

[scarlet tapir]

he engulfed nothing

so

instead of hitting for 20 million or something

it hit for uh

2 mil

[wicked shuttle]

Ah yeah that’s not good

[royal zenith]

[wicked shuttle]

People overstate rotational mistakes sometimes

[royal zenith]

with FS it's just very obvious

I guess we had the same with the now nerfed tierset

[scarlet tapir]

yeah but its not overstatement that one

[wicked shuttle]

Yeah

[scarlet tapir]

its just plain dogshit no dmg

but i mean it happens

on my second evoker it happened like twice cause my haste so low i press shit so fast and my tip fb doesnt even go off

[royal zenith]

(the reason I hate FS)

(stinky)

[dire osprey]

aurelion sol?

[royal zenith]

Im not a league player

but sure?! I think?!

[scarlet tapir]

how do u know its from league then

Susge

[royal zenith]

cause we fast

as fucc

[dire osprey]

shi

[scarlet tapir]

type shi

[drifting nova]

blizzord pls

[pallid bay]

every single person in this channel when a log is posted

[royal zenith]

wrong

ABC > all

!

[drifting nova]

are abcs different for you in german, deux?

[royal zenith]

do you want to fight, kekkers?

I know karate

[drifting nova]

kara tay

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

aah I missed a herb

it's over

turns out getting 2/3levels a timewalking dungeon is pretty cool too

[maiden pasture]

me when someone logs blue and the mistake pointed out is sunfiring back to back once in the whole fight

[signal temple]

I played my 61 Shaman earlier this week, did three TW (Legion) dungeons, hit 72.

[drifting nova]

got my 48 to ..73? in like an hour

if that

idk wtf priest does

[royal zenith]

heal, pi

something like that

[drifting nova]

weirdly disc..seemed easier

holy seemed giga dog

maybe it'l change at max

[signal temple]

Yeah, the 25% from having five at 80 plus the Winds buff. And then you get the rep flask.

[drifting nova]

not entirely sure if the timewalking quest

modifies itself at 80 or not

to give a heroic piece

keeping it atm

[signal temple]

Oh, like rn you've done the 5 but you're holding it until 80?

[drifting nova]

yeah

it gives a 1ilvl gold chest

with "helpful gear/items"

[signal temple]

Saw that on Shaman, the gear piece wasn't good

[gentle patio]

Buffs tomorrow?

[rich jewel]

this is like, biggest crime possible

[scarlet tapir]

@rich jewel aug coaching if its good?

ill give u 1M gold

[jade flume]

I can give u free one

[dire osprey]

aug coaching 💀

[jade flume]

Buff ur homies and pray they do dam

[delicate perch]

What if they don’t

[dire osprey]

then u buff someone else

[delicate perch]

[scarlet tapir]

it actually requires some cooking ngl

even tho im said just buff whoever is doing most dmg rn

but what it actually is is thinking about who u wanna extend em on and whatever

[rich jewel]

maybe

[wide spire]

Do we have any sims on what trinkets we are going to use for S3 as Boomkin both raid and M+

[pallid bay]

no

[wide spire]

damn

[scarlet tapir]

damn

[fiery hull]

Maybe they have some for S3 idk

[wide spire]

ofc

i ment S3

[drifting nova]

listen my fatfinger starfall on a single target fight is NOT my fault

[rich jewel]

thats so minor in comparison

[lofty depot]

Buffs today for sure

[gentle patio]

https://tenor.com/view/starfall-gif-2909646910056891152

[drifting nova]

my mouse has been broke forever, the mouse click aint it

[lofty depot]

Today for sure

[jaunty blaze]

Rename or it doesnt happen

[obsidian tapir]

Tomorrow for sure

[fossil crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/boomkin-moonkin-wow-world-of-warcraft-goosy-gif-926362862248136452

[drifting nova]

druid at home

[balmy light]

Tuning tonight

[clever ibex]

They really aren’t gonna go any more major changes on the PTR?

[digital berry]

They most likely still are

[clever ibex]

Feels weird they haven’t done anything in almost a week

[digital berry]

They might just be waiting for more stats before finalizing or deciding on changes who knows

If they ship balance as is it’s gonna be bad so maybe I’m just coping

[gentle patio]

They gutted aug only 3 days before the patch release

Last time

[digital berry]

Not gutted enough

As long as there’s one Aug player we will never be free

[lucid olive]

define major changes

we're on release candidates build so all you're gonna see with class changes are tuning numbers

[clever ibex]

Rework tier set

[mental plover]

do you believe in miracles brotha

cause youre looking for one

[safe kite]

That's not happening

[fossil crypt]

I mean from the numbers i saw of overall m+ we were like ~15% below top 5

[lucid olive]

not happening

yes we're bottom 3 in m+

and bottom 1 by far in raid

[clever ibex]

Now that you’re saying it, prolly not no, which is a big shame

[digital berry]

All it takes to put us in the middle is a couple of number tweaks , a full rework is unnecessary

[safe kite]

They already reworked the set once they are not doing it again.

[clever ibex]

remove eclipses in midnight while they are at it

[digital berry]

Hardly a rework, just changed some numbers

[safe kite]

nah

[digital berry]

And nerfed the fuck out of every aspect of it instead of one at a time

[fossil crypt]

Don't think thy will change the numbers big enough to matter

[safe kite]

the entire way you played it has changed with the buff timer reduced it's essentially a completely different set now

[digital berry]

Most likely not enough to put us in the top 5 but enough to dig us out from bottom would be nice

[digital berry]

Thats just because the way to play it optimally changed, hardly a rework they just decreased a buff timer

[fossil crypt]

The problem is since we don't have much prio target or funnel, if we don't just bring overall dmg we are kinda meh.

[safe kite]

that made so you couldn't play the set the way you used to. What are you talking about.

[errant flint]

Changes after rwf

[safe kite]

"It's not a rework it's just a complete fundamental difference in how the set plays, no biggie"

[clever ibex]

Still solar beam, kekw

[strong bronze]

They did nerf the mage sets , but gave them compensation buffs the last time , pretty sure they will do the same for moonkin

[digital berry]

Don’t hold your breath

[clever ibex]

Why not do that in combination with the tier nerfs tho?

[digital berry]

Mage is their baby and balance Druid is the meth addict homeless cousin nobody talks about

[clever ibex]

Like they did mages

[digital berry]

They quite literally do not care about whether or not people play balance

[unkempt niche]

i agree...... we feel really gutted right now

[clever ibex]

Guardian is also in the shitter because of the tier nerf

Resto is the saving grace for the entire class

[digital berry]

And as long as resto is playable they will not care about balance at all since they got their motw buff

[clever ibex]

Yep

[jaunty blaze]

dooming hours

[safe kite]

I think they do, they don't like that balance is like the second most popular spec out there so they will dumpster us to make sure we reroll sub rogue or survival hunter.

[strong bronze]

I guess i either reroll for raid , or just be benched kekw

[digital berry]

Balance is nowhere near the second best spec tho is it ?

Surely not

[fervent merlin]

No

[digital berry]

Especially in content that matters ( raid )

[safe kite]

Not what I said it's the second most popular after ret

[digital berry]

Yeah I’m stupid I worded that wrong

There’s no way

[fervent merlin]

It’s not

[digital berry]

I mean maybe in m+ since we’ve been quite decent but

[fervent merlin]

Even in m+ where it’s strong af

Still not close

[digital berry]

According to raiderio were fourth across all key lvls

[safe kite]

I will always trust warcraft logs over cropped out bars

[digital berry]

16 and up were third , in raid we are and have been for quite some time bottom 10% of dps specs

[strong bronze]

Apart from season 2 shadowlands with ravenous frenzy , balance druid raiding wise has been a joke

[safe kite]

in the raid currently on mythic ret is the most popular spec with 27k parses balance second with 24k

[fervent merlin]

Sure

[digital berry]

Bro

[fervent merlin]

If u just look at dps cool

[strong bronze]

That mostly has to do with balance just being really easy if you wanna play ranged apart from Bm hunter

[digital berry]

Nobody cares about shitter parses

[fervent merlin]

So why did they not gut ret? L

[safe kite]

what part of the word popularity do you not understand

[fervent merlin]

I mean surly the 3x number of m+ ran on ret is more of a reason to get people to play other spec

But hey maybe u work for blizz u kno more

[safe kite]

again I get it that staying on topic is incredibly hard for you

but nobody is talking about performance

simply popularity

[fervent merlin]

So why does ur logic not work if u talk about ret

Only boomy

[digital berry]

And you truly believe a spec being popular is the reason why they’d keep it trash tier for years on end ?

[safe kite]

It's either that or nobody at blizzard plays the game, it's a toss up forme

[lucid olive]

no way to know

they've emergency buffed specs previously week before release and had them be busted all patch

[strong bronze]

The best mahe spec (arcane) got aura buffed after their tier set nerfs

[digital berry]

[fervent merlin]

Clearly that’s why the let mage be good cause it’s not popular

[safe kite]

They've buffed specs a week into release and had them go from complete trash to the best in the game.

Nobody gets to decide when the buff/nerf hammer strikes

[wild dune]

No way bud is linking ALL runs of all key levels

[fervent merlin]

Technically blizzard does

[safe kite]

unless you have some sort augury

[digital berry]

Its undeniable at this post who blizzard wants to be strong and who they don’t care about

[wild dune]

key levels from 2-12 are a useless data point

[fervent merlin]

So is lfr parse

Qq

[wild dune]

ret is also a fanatically popular spec that is both easy to play and has been fairly solid in all content since it's df rework

[safe kite]

I blame Tettles tbh whenever there are less than 3 warlocks in every raid Kalamazi will just post a video a day until blizzard makes them top tier. Where is our champion?

[fervent merlin]

Yea same with warrior

But blizzard isn’t tuning them based on how popular they are lol

[wild dune]

Warrior is nowhere near as popular or as solid generally speaking.

[lucid olive]

Kalamazi is a machine idk how he manages to get out 20 min videos several times a week talking about a WoW spec

[wild dune]

All 3 specs have been downbad in m+ for quite some time. It's brought for shout more than anything.

[errant flint]

Alot of big streamers have pocket video editors.

Thats how

[lucid olive]

he still has to talk for 20 minutes about the spec

[safe kite]

with the topic always being that none of them are good enough. That to me is the impressive part, like you can have Demo be like 15% better than any other spec like in Aberrus and he will still find a way to say it's not good enough.

[fervent merlin]

Yea but if u add arms and fury parse number (metric other guy wants to use)

[lucid olive]

the editor doesn't AI render his voice and camera lmao

[fervent merlin]

It’s one of the most popular classes

[errant flint]

Gamz im sure you could talk for 20min about boomkin

And then some

[lucid olive]

it'd be like 2 minutes

[errant flint]

“Fix boomkin” video ends

[lucid olive]

"we're fuckin dogshit, do no dam, here's some irrelevant sims with bad APL, please buff, okay remember to check out dreamgrove.gg"

[wild dune]

Imagine the comments

[lucid olive]

but also have better things to spend my time on

[errant flint]

Real

[safe kite]

Didn't even mention our shit survivability 5/10

[errant flint]

Bc no amount of rabble rabble smort video commentary will buff us

[lucid olive]

like making it to plat in TFT before new set drops

and not logging into WoW

two very important things

[digital berry]

I will never abandon my conspiracy theory that maxx has forever ruined balance Druids reputation with his constant hatred

[safe kite]

But I need more videos of people using both stacks of Incarn on pull and stopping right after the second one ends saying "Look they are completely fine".

[real flax]

blizzard is a mage cock sucker

[errant flint]

Yes more mage hate

[strong bronze]

If we look at something more than an aura buff , is it just gonna be buffing starsurge , maybe moons?

[digital berry]

Could buff the actual dmg cap of the tier set and some random aura buff sure, wrath is still a useless button in terms of dmg also but that would need huge increases to change

[slim iris]

[nova ocean]

Just remember no matter how bad u think moonkin is, aff and destro need emergency buffs

[lofty depot]

U can do that now and do not top dam

[slim iris]

[lofty depot]

Moons ain't getting buffed because people hated it when we played it in aberrus for a week

[digital berry]

They still do more dmg then balance so emergency buff my ass, demo is just too broken rn

[lofty depot]

But yes surge, Starfall need to be buffed which likely comes from nerfing s2 tier set before new season

[lofty depot]

Brain rot take

Aff is generally down bad destro isnt

[lucid olive]

well they nerfed the cap so

[lofty depot]

Also both still do more dam than moonkin

Cap doesn't matter if u can hit it on st

3% total damage is dumb

[cloud plover]

alright chat

patch notes in 7 hrs

got it from the big guys up top

[digital berry]

Jesus?

[strong bronze]

Im also interested to see what other specs get buffed or nerfed

[drifting nova]

I'm here for the rise of warriors

[safe kite]

Sweet, 7 hours until no changes.

[wild dune]

I want a season where all the high test specs are goated

Stinky wizards can fuck off for a couple months

[drifting nova]

high what now

warriors have been memed the past like 4tiers

of being highest deaths

[lofty depot]

Kalamazi "nerf diabolist by 10%".... Looks at sim, hmm 6.2 is still ~500k ahead of the avg at 5.5-5.8 yeayea

[strong bronze]

Oh yea warlocks got some pretty good buffs last cycle

All specs were eating good

[lofty depot]

Says all specs

Can't be serious

[digital berry]

Locks have 3 ranged dps specs, just like mages, so like one of them is bound to be decent and having all 3 good is kinda asking for too much

[loud kettle]

Never settle, ask for more

[errant flint]

Truuu

[digital berry]

I ask for a crumb of dmg for balance

A singular tier where we aren’t bot 1

[loud kettle]

Boomy only needs a crumb? Sounds like they are doing fine enough...

[digital berry]

[loud kettle]

don't ask for a crumb, ask for the entire loaf!

[digital berry]

When blizzard nerfs, they gut

Any of the changes they made would have probably been enough in itself, but all at once was wild

[lucid olive]

nah

they died a bunch in nerubar but that was all rashanan

[loud kettle]

Its just a dart throw really

[drifting nova]

combined they have no defensives

worse than druid

[loud kettle]

They dont have a good sense for how changes interact and compound

[drifting nova]

arms esp

[lofty depot]

Warriors deserve memes, they're all monkeys

[drifting nova]

woah ther

fury is

arms no

[lofty depot]

I've never met one with a brain that's on jah

[loud kettle]

Nerf all constituents by 50% is surely a 50% nerf right?

(wrong)

[drifting nova]

jah what

jah rule?

[lofty depot]

Nah, Eminem handled him

[errant flint]

I wanna hear ja rule’s opinion

[wild dune]

Spell reflect is pretty gud tbh

[drifting nova]

when/if it's spell reflectable

which 9/10 it just isnt

having to get a spreadsheet out to see the wizards testing if a spell is reflectable

and why its not

or why that dragonbreath is

[lofty depot]

"the wizards"

[drifting nova]

half the spells reflectable

arent EVEN spells

[lofty depot]

Cuz the avg warrior can't fathom doing any work

[cloud plover]

Jah is a shadow priest player

🙏🏻

[royal zenith]

@loud kettle give buffs

[loud kettle]

give vines formula

think we can come to a trade here

[royal zenith]

Hmmm. I will do my best.

[balmy light]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

⚠️ TUNING TONIGHT ⚠️
*STAY TUNED *

[drifting nova]

turning that knob, 4years later

..wait 6years later

[jaunty blaze]

[lofty depot]

He says tuning and it never happens

[loud kettle]

Well its tomorrow

[leaden birch]

guys

we still dooming?

[loud kettle]

Always

[jaunty blaze]

yuh

[lofty depot]

Yea but he always says today

[loud kettle]

we will never be wrong, but he will sometimes be right...

[lofty depot]

Nothing's happened in a week

[ebon plover]

We are back

[lofty depot]

What u think

[wild dune]

Still a 20% dr

[dire osprey]

If by back u mean at the back of the bus yea

[strong bronze]

I dont even think we are in the bus , we might be walking

[lofty depot]

We are most definitely not in the bus

The travel team can only have 20 players on it, and we aren't one of those

[jaunty blaze]

there is always a next bus

surely

[strong bronze]

We are carrying the luggage

[scarlet folio]

we are the luggage

[lucid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/two-and-a-half-men-forgotten-rain-soccer-kid-gif-14419736533632730492

moonkin pov

[normal pilot]

false. nobody would even give moonkin a ball

[lucid olive]

true actually

[cloud plover]

it's ur own ball

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

That's in February tho

[jaunty blaze]

unfortunate

[vapid anvil]

I am stuck with heroic mug. however I have mythic eye and house. I have been running mythic house and heroic mug in keys. Is it better to run mythic eye and heroic mug or keep running the house? for 20s

[lofty depot]

If u can keep the stacks up

If not just run jug + hoc

[vapid anvil]

copy

[jaunty blaze]

wouldnt you run eye and hoc

[lofty depot]

I would run hoc no matter what and if u can keep eye stacks u would do that

[jaunty blaze]

sounds better

[lofty depot]

It's not better if u can't keep the 20 stacks

Or high stacks

[jaunty blaze]

ofc but if you were to run it

[vapid anvil]

Ive heard and seen in logs that no one runs house with eye

THey only switch out house for eye

but im stuck with this stupid heroic mug

[jaunty blaze]

no idea im not minigaming much

[lofty depot]

Mini-maxing

[cloud plover]

how u have myth eye but not myth jug

[lofty depot]

Skrill

[vapid anvil]

vault

[cloud plover]

how badly did you L your dinars

[vapid anvil]

I bought bis,house, and jasper

[lofty depot]

Hm

[cloud plover]

Bis

yeah no shot I'd ever buy that over anything else

[jaunty blaze]

why

it was for sure the single biggest upgrade

[vapid anvil]

I think 100% of boomies run it

in keys

[cloud plover]

it was like 20k when mug jug was 60k for me

ez pick

[lofty depot]

Puppy spewing is fine

Hoc and jug are the ones that are tough sells, cuz everyone runs them so should be free loot if u don't have

[vapid anvil]

I was optomistic I would get one piece from raid but I was wrong

[vapid anvil]

ive killed it like 10 times it dropped one time and the other raider took it and siad he could buy it on tuesday with next dinar but didnt want to have to worry aobut it anymore

[cloud plover]

do you like sitting on the chair

[lofty depot]

Tragic

[vapid anvil]

So to be clear I run HOC with heroic jug unless I can keep stacks most the key then I run eye and mug?

[north stag]

Puppy got no chill 🤣

[jaunty blaze]

the answer is probably sim it

[cloud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-box-ao-no-hako-aonohako-hina-blue-box-hina-chouno-hina-gif-11183049685635494077

[lofty depot]

Ye

Also just wouldn't worry about it

Season over

[vapid anvil]

its that strong over losing a use on every incan?

[hollow mist]

damn...

[vapid anvil]

im trying to squeeze out 20 resil before its over

[lofty depot]

The diff in possible 0.5-1% DPS isn't the reason u will time it tbf

And no, I would just run jug and hoc

[vapid anvil]

The last two we need are rook and priory which are like great eye dungs though right?>

[jaunty blaze]

dont you lose stacks after first and 2nd boss

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, there's 2 points in rook where u can drop stacks but yea I assume for the most part

[jaunty blaze]

doesnt sound so great

in rookery that is

[vapid anvil]

You dont lose it after 2nd boss but you might lose it after first

[cloud plover]

do u lose stacks going from first place to 2nd or is it short enough I feel like it drops when I played eye

[vapid anvil]

Actually you can keep them

Its tight though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu42njXf7is

He kept them

[strong bronze]

Sod , who are you playing with?

[vapid anvil]

These two mainly. but also pug and have some friends I play with

I hate this dang heroic mug

[digital berry]

Why? It’s strong

[strong bronze]

Oh yea i was playing with that group

[vapid anvil]

I mean compared to mythic

[vapid anvil]

which one?

[digital berry]

How is you 8/8 without myth track mug

[vapid anvil]

druid wants four items from raid and 3 dinar buys and never got anything from raid

[digital berry]

That’s some insane bad luck

No vault no drops

[strong bronze]

Necro thistle and blu

[vapid anvil]

I got eye from vault

[digital berry]

I haven’t equipped eye once this season

Should have taken tokens instead for some gold

[lofty depot]

If u don't want to use jug then dont

[wild dune]

where build

[vapid anvil]

No I have been watching that guy that I sent the pov from and he runs no HOC and I’m tempted to do that

[wild dune]

??¿??

[vapid anvil]

They are super chill.

[ebon plover]

boomkin still very much m+ viable

[strong bronze]

Yea if you plan to play eye you swap out hoc

[digital berry]

Debatable

[drifting nova]

not for 75% of players

[ebon plover]

go ahead

[ebon plover]

skill issue twin

[drifting nova]

it's a design issue more than anything

mastery included

[vapid anvil]

Is it trolling for the like big first pull of priory? Won’t it die much slower or it’ll be fine sense I have bis active?

[drifting nova]

its just utter dog in low keys

which whether you like it or not

IS the majority

[vapid anvil]

This season it’s insanely good in vdh comp

[strong bronze]

Its not trolling , it should die at about 1:15 to 1:20 , the point of playing eye is to keep it fully stacked through out and just chain pull , cause a maxed out eye beats out any trinket

Ideally you dont want your tank to pull a shit ton of footman and grief your dmg

[vapid anvil]

We are doing this insanely op 20 priority route

[strong bronze]

If you can copy the 21 route , you should be fine for the 20

[lofty depot]

My process is he's not gonna keep stacks up and he should run hoc regardless

[vapid anvil]

Let me show route one sec

[strong bronze]

Yea im pretty sure , its the sjele route

[vapid anvil]

It’s similar but made easier let me log on real quick

[strong bronze]

Hmmmm

I think you could swap out all those footman for 1 more pack or something

[vapid anvil]

Looks like he kept eye the entire key minus his death

[nova ocean]

@lofty depot where buffs

[vapid anvil]

I might lose it in rp for second boss because they dont do that

[strong bronze]

Yea the unlucky death, i just dont think the rank 1 route plays any footman