balance

[lofty depot]

most "regular" people

sure

[cloud citrus]

most of the mythic+ does get boo'd out pre quick

[lofty depot]

depends on the mob

[loud kettle]

Meta slaves deserve to be bullied

[digital berry]

Idk about being boo’d out but there’s certain questions that really only people who also do high keys can answer

And high keys are such a huge time investment

[lofty depot]

also depends if the beam is on said mob (the area of it)

[lofty depot]

just watch the gamers and can answer ezpz

eventually i stop watching cuz i cba watching 8 hours of wiping in content i dont do but nonetheless i do it at the start of the season to try to help people

[digital berry]

The only thing that’s more boring then doing m+ is watching other people do it

[lofty depot]

yee

[wild dune]

idk man theres some funny shit happening in these keys sometimes

[digital berry]

And that’s why your name is orange

[lofty depot]

my name is orange cuz i spammed wrong opener and meme'd people

[small pewter]

do i prioritise using best in slots or my on use trinket when popping incarnate?

[digital berry]

On use

[lofty depot]

hoc usually

[loud kettle]

trinket twice as strong so ye

[lofty depot]

also lines up better

[loud kettle]

bis on use sucks !

[small pewter]

do i use best in slots right after the cd is up or use it with another cd?

[digital berry]

Use it with second ca

And after that when the vibe feels right

[lofty depot]

items and pots should be used with ur cds

[digital berry]

So like don’t use it if ca is up soon and you’ll want to use hoc

[lofty depot]

no reason to use them randomly

unless ur gonna lose a use later in the dungeon

[small pewter]

coo thx

[delicate perch]

just use 1 cd/trinket at a time so you always have a buff rolling

[calm ibex]

Resubscribed

[small pewter]

so if i wanted to use my curios for balance and guardian would my best options be Best in slots/Mug's/kezan?

[lofty depot]

Likely not kezan

Unless bear runs that for some reason

[small pewter]

it does

[lofty depot]

Disgusting

[small pewter]

for M+ at least

[lofty depot]

Using signet is giga cringe

Prefer hoc

But if u want kezan for bear sure

[small pewter]

wuts signet

[lofty depot]

A trinket

From priory

[small pewter]

that's what? a tanking trinket?

[lofty depot]

No

[small pewter]

oh tru

well i see a bunch of balance logs with kezan and mug's

[lofty depot]

But it would be the on use u use as boomkin if u don't have hoc

[small pewter]

so thought it would be decent

[lofty depot]

I mean it's objectively worse

[small pewter]

i guess it doesnt really matter since there's only like 2 weeks left

[lofty depot]

Kezan might be ok for early raid where the first week those bosses live longer

And u can farm Lily from eco dome

Should be fine

Depends if they nerf trinkets

[small pewter]

doubt ill do any raiding past heroic so not really worried

[lofty depot]

heroic bosses live long enough week 1

[small pewter]

tru

[spark anchor]

kezan is good in m+

it’s bis if you keep stacks up

very bis

[obsidian jetty]

"if"

[spark anchor]

i mean saying it’s objectively worse just is wrong

that’s my issue

saying it’s conditionally bis in m+ and many people play around it, sure

[obsidian jetty]

yea I mean, even in ST it sims good alongside mug if the sim is long enough

I would agree saying "objectively worse" is wrong. But I do think it's a silly thing to think or worry about in pugs

[lofty depot]

assuming a lot of a player coming back to the game

but go off

[round field]

Kezan in keys very dogwater for the majority of players

[spark anchor]

u responded to a guy asking why ppl are using it in logs

sayings it’s objectively worse

insinuating those people are just using an objectively worse trinket

[royal zenith]

what you got to say about that arctic

[fossil hemlock]

Deux out here stirring the pot

[round field]

Its objectively worse for the average player

[spark anchor]

sure and i never said otherwise

read chickens read

[royal zenith]

I would never!

but I can stir some more

@round field you smell

[round field]

Nop

[round field]

You will not ragebait me

[small pewter]

im sorry i started a fight between my future balance buds

[loud kettle]

bala dudus u mean

[mighty mica]

absolutely not

[royal zenith]

they will fight over anything end of tier

[small pewter]

okay then im happy i gave em an extra thing to fight about

[royal zenith]

that's the spirit

[jade flume]

Kezan omega garbonzo

Straight up

[small pewter]

dont threaten me with a good time

[royal zenith]

it's basically like saying brewterializer is an objectively better trinket

👀

[small pewter]

i dunno what that is but im gonna agree with u

[sudden flame]

that is not the balance druid way

you should disagree

[twin lotus]

go write ragebait posts on the forums

[small pewter]

shit my bad

will do

actually no i will not do

[stone ledge]

finally got time to do a key on ptr holy crap its jover

[jade flume]

Big if true

[stone ledge]

doing the same overall as s2 with s3 gear anger

could be talent difference tho

[cloud citrus]

do remember your scaled in content

[stone ledge]

to 710

feels like a damage loss going from s2 tier to s3

[round field]

thats because it is

[twin lotus]

no way it is so cooked

surely u must be doing something wrong

[delicate perch]

yeah so true, blizzard would never release a dps downgrade tier set!!

[round field]

dwilkz also doing something wrong

[delicate perch]

blizzard will see this and just nerf warrior into the ground

[round field]

as its meant to be

[delicate perch]

"see guys no tanks are beating boomkins anymore"

[twin lotus]

💀

[maiden pasture]

tbf

[twin lotus]

SURELY dwillks doing something wrong

surely

[maiden pasture]

prot warrior is nuts damage

[twin lotus]

no way we are shit

[maiden pasture]

its both together

bamkin is SHIT

and prot warrior does crazy damage

[gilded wolf]

I was told bamkin is fine, dw guys

@potent cargo what other game are u playing during prog

[potent cargo]

Best to ask @glossy jungle i dont even wow anymore brother

but when boomy was bad and I was bench I would play the game of IRL and farm rep with the mrs

[livid jay]

im out of the loop, are we bad?

[potent cargo]

are we bad implies we've been good

(we're not)

[glossy jungle]

I dont play other games. I sit and stare at wowhead waiting for boomy buffs

[pallid bay]

depends how hard you bug abuse

[lucid olive]

Clueless warlock streamer said we're good but that we deserve being shit

[potent cargo]

first hour of the night u cope waiting to get dragged in just in case, 2nd/3rd hour you go gym, 4th hour shower and play phone game

[livid jay]

i abuse bugs 100% of the time cause these blizzard fckers have been abusing me with their bug for almost a year now

[royal zenith]

heard horse girl is the new shit

[gilded wolf]

Can't wait to be brought for like 1 specific scenario on a boss and then to be told that we were fine after all because we were brought

[twin lotus]

now what does that remind me

nope, nothing

[vale pebble]

moonkin op grow up...

[gilded wolf]

I'll have so much time to play mop

[vale pebble]

[meager storm]

is the bug abuse called mimiron working yet

[royal zenith]

yes

but you aint getting it

[vale pebble]

paypal me 10euro i will leak it to you

[pallid bay]

did you pay up

[royal zenith]

buy dsune a coffee

right meow

[meager storm]

dsune a sell out

i will paypal chicken instead

[royal zenith]

[meager storm]

[vale pebble]

🧑‍🌾

[pallid bay]

pay gas

[meager storm]

is he alive

havent seen a message from him in months

[pallid bay]

yes

[royal zenith]

he's cooking hard

[meager storm]

is he doing demo lock apl? is that why demo lock is simming for 7 mil

[royal zenith]

(in POE)

[meager storm]

[pallid bay]

implementing your tierset without even playing the game

[supple scroll]

Hi!
I'm still pretty new to Balance Druid and was wondering — is there a macro that lets me quickly apply Moonfire and Sunfire to all enemies in front of me, without having to click each one individually?
Would really appreciate any tips, thanks!

[royal zenith]

as in, both at the same time? that's impossible

you can use mouse-over macro's though, but not behind pc atm to share

[pallid bay]

no you just click on a nameplate and press your dots

[crisp scaffold]

Yes its better to click on nameplates ,also dotting while tank gather mobs helps a lot

[vale pebble]

his last message in this discord was 2 days ago

[royal zenith]

in MONTHS!!

[meager storm]

good one

u made me look

almost 2 months

in a week

[royal zenith]

you're factually wrong

[meager storm]

am i

[vale pebble]

?

[meager storm]

wuh

[delicate perch]

the bug is playing a good class (do not share)

[meager storm]

is that some gatekeeping channel u guys have

[royal zenith]

he will figure it out, surely..

[meager storm]

[royal zenith]

[meager storm]

oh

[meager storm]

wait

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/moodeng-moo-deng-duaraidee-hippo-hippopotamus-gif-1627040226917841450

[supple scroll]

Thank u guys I really appreciate your help

[vale pebble]

if ur new to the game look into nameplates and how those work

[meager storm]

i should look into nameplates

[lucid olive]

You should look into using keybinds

[royal zenith]

clicker... ???

[gilded wolf]

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/void-memes-cat-void-mejor-me-void-eyes-gif-14708429958419784806

[meager storm]

osu

[royal zenith]

osu?? karate-ka??

[quiet drift]

Ohio state university

[lucid olive]

[sudden flame]

[vale pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/moodeng-moo-deng-duaraidee-hippo-hippopotamus-gif-1627040226917841450

[vale pebble]

do it urself...

[snow elm]

.0.0

[karmic root]

we want to starsurge right after the dryad goes away on ptr right?

[round field]

with current tuning you starsurge into different spec

ideally mage

[karmic root]

isint boomy S+ tier rn?

[jaunty blaze]

For m+ on live maybe

[lucid olive]

nah we got nerfed

spec down bad

[karmic root]

oh rip

[round field]

If S stands for shit then yes

[jade flume]

S+ for bench

[feral dust]

#shitsurge

[snow marten]

dw boomy buffs today

[feral dust]

I am thinking of a fat pigeon hovering around the bench and shiting

[snow marten]

after they buff MM and mage

[feral dust]

Mm needs a 5% buff and mage has to be S tier or else people will rage

[dense gust]

warlocks getting 50% buffs every new update

[jaunty blaze]

5% wrath buff

[snow marten]

should buff treant melee

by 10%

[round field]

[snow marten]

Maybe delete starsurge and just make starfall do more

[meager storm]

insane random comment but PvZ may be on the hall of fame of best games every created thoughts?

[jaunty blaze]

Its sure one of the games of all time

[digital swan]

I prefer TvZ

[round field]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombies-gif-26215446

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/sunflower-pvz-singing-gif-17681690944762513733

[round field]

i wouldnt put it into hall of fame

[meager storm]

[round field]

id give it a throne above the hall of fame

the greatest of all time

for all eternity

[meager storm]

holy

cattail

my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/cattail-pvz-animated-gif-25992770

[round field]

10/10

[meager storm]

that and the corn cannon

that sht was so fun on the mini games

[round field]

i loved the walnut

with its dumb grin

and room temp iq

just existing

[meager storm]

[round field]

reminds me of @royal zenith

[meager storm]

the garlic getting insanely sad when dying

[round field]

i frogot he even had his own emote

[meager storm]

thats crazy

axualy

[round field]

what a dingus that guy is

[maiden pasture]

Bloons aswell

[scarlet tapir]

no, it died after a bit, hof games never die

[meager storm]

ight 1 week timeout for twist

[drifting nova]

there are no great games pre 2020 - someone on twitter

[royal zenith]

Im fine with that

Ill be a walnut

[hollow mist]

runescape c:

[round field]

ur just proving his point

[hollow mist]

I think it's a super cool and based and fun game but i appreciate that we all have different tastes ^^ hope ur having a good day sweetheart

[drifting nova]

if crack is what you're after then..? screw the war on drugs we need a war on games

[hollow mist]

I agree kekkers video game addiction is an unseen problem in today's world

[potent cargo]

dissociate disengage

[hollow mist]

u do u boo my days of dissociation r over

[royal zenith]

fake...

[hollow mist]

just wishing a friend some good vibes, hope u have a good day too deux sweetheart ^_^

[potent cargo]

u chop logs 8 hr

dissociating for sure brev

fs

[hollow mist]

nah bud i am in tune with the vibration of my soul and everyone and everything on this blessed earth

[lofty depot]

Nah, lake is associating

[royal zenith]

classic sign honestly

what's next, you're gonna say feral is a good spec?

[lofty depot]

Playing the hottest old game this decade

[hollow mist]

it is very cool and good yea :)

[royal zenith]

it's joever

[drifting nova]

I've seen 3 ferals recently

all were doing uldaman damage

[potent cargo]

show skills

i will pass judgment

respectful

[drifting nova]

going paladin?

gl

[hollow mist]

i have like 4 diff accs that are all 1800+, main is like 2070. this the group iron rn

[drifting nova]

eww herblore

imagine being the group herber

[potent cargo]

99 farming what a beast

[mighty mica]

love farming

[potent cargo]

idk if its called farming

but yep that one

[drifting nova]

trying to use all my limpwurt seeds on 1 patch bc im lazy

how longs it going to take

[hollow mist]

too fucking long man just plant that shit

[drifting nova]

is only 500

quick in and out

[hollow mist]

huuuge farming

[drifting nova]

I hope multi seed planting comes soon

prob wont but still

[hollow mist]

yeye i go woodcutting or runecrafting next aint decide yet

[potent cargo]

surely u just go chop some logs bro

runecrafting is canker no

[drifting nova]

been waiting for our group herblorist to get antivenoms for..a month now

want my ornate

[iron chasm]

I’m working towards recipe for disaster atm this stinks

Come back to osrs after being an only RuneScape 3 player

[iron chasm]

Guardians of the rift makes it pretty easy I think but it’s still a long grind

[drifting nova]

think I'm the odd one out rather do zmi with daeyalt, gotr is balls

[iron chasm]

I’m at 93 wc atm and that’s gonna be my first ever 99 on osrs since I made my first account in like primary school

Very exciting stuff

[graceful ermine]

Hi balance is good in raid for next season ?

feral or balance which one is better ?

[fossil hemlock]

Sorry this is an OSRS channel now

(We don't know yet, tuning still isn't done)

[mighty mica]

always has been

[royal zenith]

unfortunately

[drifting nova]

we are balance druids, not seer druids

[graceful ermine]

balance does good dmg in raid ?

[drifting nova]

a balanced amount

it's in the name

[round field]

Whats your definition of good

[drifting nova]

balance should be renamed

[royal zenith]

you should be renamed

to "Removed indefinitely"

[round field]

Ok dunce

[royal zenith]

[drifting nova]

Doox

[round field]

Dookie

[lofty depot]

Ask in a few weeks after tuning happens, currently is piss

[royal zenith]

can't really say that but yes

balance been nerfed hard

[lofty depot]

Why not

[royal zenith]

how much more damage does BM hunter do right now

[lofty depot]

A factor of 10

[royal zenith]

I see

[drifting nova]

bm does 0 too?

[royal zenith]

[lofty depot]

If we did 6m before nerf, and it's 3.9 now. And BM and lock do well over 6m.....

Hmm

[pulsar storm]

how does balance compare to feral after nerf

[lofty depot]

They're both in the dumpster

[royal zenith]

is that with or without buffs/nerfs to classes in your example

[pulsar storm]

that's a shame I just got a druid and used a 70 boost on it

[royal zenith]

👀

[lofty depot]

Uhhh well I said right now

[lofty depot]

U'll likely be fine

[royal zenith]

share source

[pulsar storm]

I hope so since I only did it for zandalari druid forms not meta haha

[lofty depot]

links hunter and lock discord

[royal zenith]

You'll be able to play druid

it's only an issue if you want to specifically play fotm

[drifting nova]

fotmers are cringe more at 11

[pulsar storm]

Im new and dont even know what that is

[lofty depot]

Yea ur fine

[royal zenith]

flavour of the month

meta specs/classes

basically

[drifting nova]

whatevers good for the month

[pulsar storm]

dinosaur forms is all I wanted

[drifting nova]

9/10 it's mage or warlock

[royal zenith]

hell yeah

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

People that class/spec swap when meta is formed because they have to play the best class/spec

For the very prestigious m+

[pulsar storm]

I have a warlock they're still on the tutorial island because I hit level 10 and made an evoker

[drifting nova]

which in turn breaks the ladder

[lofty depot]

Chaos is a ladder

[drifting nova]

as even non fotm requiring things (esp m+) are like we need fotm

trickle down shitnomics

😡

[lofty depot]

Need Aug for my +10

[drifting nova]

NO DRUIDS, bring nothing

(me when applying on a warrior)

[pulsar storm]

can I unlock new forms for druid or just what I get from the beginning?

[drifting nova]

yeah theres plenty now

for each one

[lofty depot]

Might be a little hard, like the amirdrassil ones

But u can do the mage tower stuff

[pulsar storm]

I dislike the teddy bear looking moonkin

[drifting nova]

legion has a bunch

few glyphs you can buy

[lofty depot]

Idk what that means

[drifting nova]

the bristle one?

[lofty depot]

Do u mean actual moonkin form or

[pulsar storm]

yeah like actual moonkin form

[drifting nova]

straight to jail

kick him now

[lofty depot]

Comes to balance, and talks about hating balance

🚪

[drifting nova]

a true classic

[lofty depot]

Actually, nvm u fit in

[drifting nova]

do wish the base form was given a touchup tho

looks awful compared to the newer ones

[pulsar storm]

I liked the other zandalari troll forms because dinosaurs, but moonkin looks like a teddy bear

[drifting nova]

oh the zandalari moonkin looks awful

[lofty depot]

I think u don't know what a teddy bear looks like

And yea the ztroll models are something

[drifting nova]

the only one I'd play stars glyph on

looks god awful

malnourished chicken wing

[pulsar storm]

at least I dont have to see the front while playing

[drifting nova]

?

you dont look at yourself?

[pulsar storm]

I only see the back

[drifting nova]

it's advanced 1st personing

the half person pov

[lofty depot]

Gotta get that action camera

[drifting nova]

for the longest time I thought my char was bald

whenever they redid the appearance barbers in like legion

I had never seen the hair

or atleast couldnt remember it

[pulsar storm]

that's way before my time

I started like 5 days ago

[lofty depot]

So much to learn so little time

First u'll need to download jagex

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

The final dawn launches in 2 days, this is no laughing matter

[drifting nova]

I havent done yama I'm behind

[lofty depot]

We got delves dawg

[drifting nova]

saw theres a crab

[pulsar storm]

why

I have bought the glyph of stars

life is good now

[lofty depot]

Uhh, it's an addon. Very helpful

[drifting nova]

5days and already in hell

shame

like playing warrior and wanting to be ranged

[pulsar storm]

my first 5 days were great with playing the battle for azeroth campaign now Im here

[lofty depot]

(I was talking about osrs, I was making a yoke)

[drifting nova]

..

great

bfa campaign

[pulsar storm]

oh I have osrs on my phone

[lofty depot]

Lol

[drifting nova]

hmmmmmmmmmm

psyop detected

[lofty depot]

Peak gamer

[pulsar storm]

zandalar has dinosaurs and I was on my BM

[lofty depot]

Bfa campaign all tho I believe the fastest, is one of the worst stories

[drifting nova]

atleast the zones are cool

[lofty depot]

But maybe u don't care about funny story

[drifting nova]

it has that atleast

[pulsar storm]

story has been kinda meh, but on the other hand I have aquired many dinosaurs for my BM

[lofty depot]

Maybe he knows bwonsamdi

[drifting nova]

inb4 hes horde

having to traverse the great pyramid

[lofty depot]

Lol

[pulsar storm]

I need to get those boss devilsaurs though to get cooler pets

[lofty depot]

Blud keeps talking about pets

THIS IS NOT THE HUBTER DISCORD

spit

[drifting nova]

played a horde char end of bfa, was doing nyalotha and had to respec traits on my lock, so summoned myself to get back and hearthed

[loud kettle]

Dinosaurs do own tho

[drifting nova]

I couldnt get to the respec trainer and bakc within 2mins

[lofty depot]

:keke:

Burning rush too?

[pulsar storm]

whole reason I picked ztroll druid

[drifting nova]

now admittedly I was on a potato

so the loading time was awful

and I didnt know WHERE the respec trainer was

(at the bottom of the pyramid)

was the only lock too so couldnt get another, a sad day

[loud kettle]

Boralus was the goat

[pulsar storm]

welp time to look into setting up my bars for druid

[meager storm]

@quiet drift this account may be op 3rd tokai, 2nd mcqueen i get in 100 pulls, like 7 ssrs in total

[jade flume]

Is this genshin impact

[meager storm]

imagine, if genshin impact, pokemon and a rogue like had a child

[lofty depot]

None of those look like pokemon, so "had a child" doesn't make sense

[meager storm]

u train them

[drifting nova]

it's wuthering waves no?

also known as genshin impact

[lofty depot]

Gonna train dak

That's on jah

[meager storm]

[jade flume]

Who is jah

[lofty depot]

Idk never met him

[vale pebble]

nice ragebait.

[signal temple]

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-3983478523519036798

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

[tight knot]

guys how different is the playstyle to boomie since bfa? i played a lil bit then and havent touched the game/boomie since

[round field]

You keep up dots

Press your prefered filler to build ap

Then press your prefered spender to spend ap

[tight knot]

so the same....? they didnt get a rework like ... uhhh ret pally or smth did?

[lucid olive]

the skeleton of the spec is the same but some of the decisions you make and some systems are different

[tight knot]

also, what made boomie fotm/meta this season at least for m+? dont think its the tier set right?

[lucid olive]

depends how much you were into moonkin back in bfa tbh, hard to give examples without context

[tight knot]

and is our strength and playstyle looking the same as of rn moving forwards to next season?

[lucid olive]

yes

[lucid olive]

good uncapped aoe damage and a flat damage curve which is good on dungeons where you pull a bunch of mobs that live for a while

[lofty depot]

Bfa empowerments

[tight knot]

gotcha. yea is a general question so i wasnt expecting a very specific answer but this helps. i did a little mythic prog raid during dzaralor for boomie so i wasnt that deep into it.

[round field]

Did a lot of damage

And beam was good

[tight knot]

so we arent big cd based

[lofty depot]

We are

[lucid olive]

not in the specific hero tree that is played in m+ no

[tight knot]

dont remember boomie being CD based but i do remember celestial alignment being like 3min

ah ok

[lofty depot]

It's not SL big, but still

[tight knot]

?

[lofty depot]

?

[lucid olive]

empowerments were solar wrath empowering lunar strike

and vice versa

[tight knot]

ohhh

[lucid olive]

got removed and replaced with eclipse

[lofty depot]

Do u not know what empowerments are

[tight knot]

honestly i forget a lot of things, at least the names of em

[lofty depot]

[tight knot]

like i said, i havent touched boomie since bfa and i quit

came back last season but as ret

[lucid olive]

based

[tight knot]

and ret is quite different from what i remember from bfa

[lucid olive]

don't listen to arctic btw

better off muting him

[tight knot]

lul

[lofty depot]

I haven't played Wii bowling since 2008 and I bet I still throw a strike

[lucid olive]

i haven't bowled since 2013 i still threw a strike the other day

[lofty depot]

Shut up rat

[lofty depot]

Probably played with bubbers

Ugly bitch

[tight knot]

r u the ragebaiter of this server kek

[lofty depot]

No

That's kekkers

[tight knot]

👀

[lucid olive]

he isn't and that's the sad part

[drifting nova]

[drifting nova]

wait who am I chasing

[lofty depot]

U arent

[drifting nova]

good, I hate running

[lucid olive]

chasing stars

[lofty depot]

Resto kekkers, is on ur ass tho

Along with feral kekkers

[drifting nova]

I mean feral will never catch

[tight knot]

correct me if im wrong but essentially next season tier set works as funneling our aoe into a ST nuke right? i know we got the tierset nerfed a few days ago, but wasnt sure how bad the numbers were cuz i didnt know what i was looking at lol. how bad is it?

i did hear from folks that most of our damage/strenght next season was from our tier

[lofty depot]

Numbys bad

[lucid olive]

yeah but the funnel isnt that big cause the tier set damage is capped

[lofty depot]

His name is that for a reason

[lucid olive]

and the cap is low so its very easy to reach

[tight knot]

lmaooooo

[lofty depot]

Need aura buff

[tight knot]

was it uncapped until the tuning patch a day or two ago? is our damage still good enough to be favored in key pushes with our util

[lofty depot]

No, it was just higher and was 5% of total damage. Now it's 3

[lucid olive]

no it was still capped, the cap was just bigger and the damage it pooled from was bigger

if we get aura buff we're probably still good in keys

[lofty depot]

Was like 6-7m natty capped. Now it's like 3.4

[lucid olive]

hard to tell when season hasnt started yet and there arent any sims

[tight knot]

so does that mean we do a little less damage but faster? so it evens out (but still a nerf)

[tight knot]

fair

[lucid olive]

no we do less damage at the same tempo

[tight knot]

oh

i thought by it pooling faster we'd get to use it more/faster lul

[lucid olive]

the tier set definitely needed a nerf though

[lofty depot]

No, because we do no damage outside of it. It nerfed our total damage by 30-40%

[lucid olive]

but it should have gotten a nerf and then compensation buffed other spells to make up for it

[tight knot]

tryna find a better meta class than ret for pushing keys for next season. managed to pug to 3.5k and it was absolute ass as a ret pally

[lofty depot]

Tier was busted, but was big with no compensation

[lofty depot]

Mage always

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-smile-happy-gif-7621419476068285580

I did not hit a single rate up

Until Kitasan banner

+1 rateup

[tight knot]

true, i do have one in my back pocket but arcane kinda confuses me.... and fire doesnt fit my playstyle (ikik skill issue) and frost is just ass rn

altho their damage profile kinda similar to arcane i heard

[lofty depot]

Frost slams on ptr right now

[tight knot]

damn

(also being able to tank and heal def helps)

[tight knot]

interesting. i thought arcane then fire were best on ptr

[lofty depot]

Kinda depends how raid plays out. Seems all are viable

[tight knot]

so i thought currently, our damage is good. so what happened going into next season (as of now in ptr) that makes us do no damage outside of tierset and without it we fall off hard compared to other classes? it cant be just powercreep right?

[lofty depot]

Tuning changes. Should t really make a class decision until later.

And generally speaking meta isnt fully fleshed out til .5 patch so there's time to make decisions

Early patch, u can play what u want

[tight knot]

eh true im not anywhere near worlds first or rushing CE

[lofty depot]

Well the old tier has a 20% increase to spender damage on a debuff with 70% uptime. We lose that and then our new tier set got gutted.

[tight knot]

but yea any mage spec or boomie prolly would be easier to pug than ret pally lul

[tight knot]

what does on a line mean in that context

[drifting nova]

of coke

[lofty depot]

Autocorrect said line when I said debuff

Badass

[drifting nova]

snorting up

[tight knot]

ngl tho i was told that boomie tierset was broken to the point where u cant rlly nerf it without reworking it
can they nerf tierset and buff boomie to the point where its balanced and not extremely reliant on our tier?

[lofty depot]

Well who ever told u that was wrong

[tight knot]

hahaha

[lofty depot]

Cuz they can nerf it to be shit and buff the class

The problem do be that a tierset like that is either OP or shit

And it can be shit without reworking

[lucid olive]

the tier set can be dogshit but the class can be good

a few weeks ago the tier set was busted and the class was shit

now the class is shit and the tier set is shit

[lofty depot]

But yea, the broken part of the tier set is from raid testing when everyone saw big numbys

[wanton socket]

As we are standing right now, boomy isnt looking to great for raid i presume?

[lucid olive]

need buff

[lofty depot]

Correct

[tight knot]

hahaha

[tight knot]

lmfaoooooo

whys the class shit did we get an aura nerf or smth lol

[round field]

Tier set got gutted

[lofty depot]

And we're not allowed to have "extend buff" CDs cuz we were too good at it. But let the dks and mages have it

[round field]

No tier set no dps

[lofty depot]

So true

[royal zenith]

no compensation for tierset nerf + no correction from this tier to next

[lofty depot]

Like I said, we lose last tier with 20% spender damage on it. Our new tier got nerfed (rightfully so), and we got no compensation buffs to fix the loss.

[tight knot]

no they said tier shit class shit now so i was wondering what happened to the class lol i thought the class was still good

[round field]

No its not

[tight knot]

is our tier just good this season too lul

[round field]

Hasnt been in years

[lofty depot]

While mage nerfs tier, but buffs class. They just forgot to buff us

"forgot"

[royal zenith]

you're overthinking it probably

spec just does base damage

if tierset affects x, that will get nerfed or buffed

and a tierset always adds like 10-20% dps

it just targets specific abilities

so they have to tune that

[lofty depot]

Think the base class has been aura buffed a bunch between now and start of df

[round field]

Oh ye

It has

Need an aura rework for those to be effective tho

[lofty depot]

Like every tier it needs 10%

Is crazy

[tight knot]

lul

ye i prolly am overthinking it while not understanding the class fully
i just know its meta m+ rn so i just figured it was good base good tier

[lucid olive]

bad in raid good in m+

held down by the curse

[tight knot]

boomie was struggling at the start of this season right?

[lofty depot]

Yes

[royal zenith]

they usually nerf these abilities: starfall, starsurge or wrath

or buff

[lofty depot]

It got multiple buffs after rwf

[royal zenith]

so if any of those is low in damage rn, it will get buffed

(starfall)

[lucid olive]

buff active mushrooms and starweaver

fr

[wild dune]

Can't wait to be held captive by rwf again

[lofty depot]

Yea buff wrath more so we wrath in lunar instead of going into solar, poggy

[tight knot]

extend buff CDs?

[round field]

Back to df season q

Poggy

[tight knot]

like icy veins?

[lofty depot]

And breath

Yes

[tight knot]

ah

[wild dune]

Also mm hunter

[lucid olive]

and dragonrage

[wild dune]

Extends trueshot for a full minute or something stupid

[lofty depot]

Basically, they hate us

[royal zenith]

Let's be honest

he was just yapping to cover up the fact tuning sucks ass

and he doesn't know how to fix it

[tight knot]

looool every spec says that hahahahahaaha

[lucid olive]

no every spec also says they hate us

[wild dune]

Hunters with their 3rd rework in a year

[lofty depot]

Every spec hasn't played balance for tiers so they are delulu

[lucid olive]

queue kalamazi vod

[royal zenith]

spriest 5th rework

[tight knot]

i wanna play hunter but i wanna parse in raid, not do mechs and they always make huntards do mechs whether ur bm or mm

[lofty depot]

Gamz real

[tight knot]

(L mentality ik)

[round field]

Id rather get 3 reworks in a year

[tight knot]

but pink and yellow numbers make me feel good

[round field]

Then play paint dry spec for 6 years in a row

[tight knot]

:^)

[royal zenith]

You can parse while doing mechanics though

[wild dune]

If you can't get pink parses as bm doing your mandatory raid mechs

[royal zenith]

you're making up excuses too

[lofty depot]

If every hunter is doing mechanics that means ur on the same level of doing mechanics

[tight knot]

skill issue

[lofty depot]

So do the mechanic better and parse better

What

[royal zenith]

this

[drifting nova]

better option

dont do mechanics

and parse

[lucid olive]

moonkin was really fun in the start of Dragonflight with a bunch of interactions between talents, and then every other patch since they have routinely stripped away interactions one by one and marketed it as a "rework"

[lofty depot]

But also, BM hunter is boring so I understand

[tight knot]

well i assume the top parsing hunters get the ideal encounter setup for parsing

[royal zenith]

BM hunter is chill during prog

[drifting nova]

surely the simpler the spec the harder it is to parse

[round field]

U play orange bm hunter that cant move

[tight knot]

on progs hunters dont usually seem to parse well from what ive seen

[royal zenith]

nothing wrong with simple specs

[lofty depot]

Maybe they're bad

[royal zenith]

in a simple game

[wild dune]

prog parses aren't real

[round field]

I dont mind simple

[royal zenith]

people be complaining about too many WA's and then say BM hunter is too simple

[round field]

But a spec can be simple and interesting

[drifting nova]

sure, but simpler specs have less variance, making parses harder

[lofty depot]

Idk I r45 on first kill sprocket doing 3 mines

[royal zenith]

I wonder what the problem is..

[drifting nova]

and more upto chance

[lofty depot]

I don't see the issue

[wild dune]

wait

[royal zenith]

wrong

[wild dune]

Less variance, but more up to chance

Kekkers...

[drifting nova]

my stats prof would like a word

[royal zenith]

it doesn't have less variance though

[drifting nova]

in outcome it does

because it's easier

[royal zenith]

no

it doesn't

[tight knot]

yea but i wanna see some good numbers on the first kill in case my guild doesnt reclear for a while, etc

[royal zenith]

you are forgetting we hav faeries that spawn or not

depending on rng

[drifting nova]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[lucid olive]

Since the launch of Dragonflight, Rattle was made passive, Waning Twilight made passive (Smolder), Stellar Flare lost Solstice interaction, Nature's Grace doesn't interact with pressing CA/proccing Pulsar, Pulsar removed, CA/Incarn duration gutted, Wild Mushroom got passive alternative

[royal zenith]

no cause you're implying simpler specs will have less variance

[drifting nova]

easy specs have less player control vs rng (crits, spawns, procs)

from the player pov they do

[lucid olive]

hell even Warrior of Elune to cycle into Solar Eclipse has been basically removed

[royal zenith]

but easier specs can have just as much variance

[drifting nova]

[meager storm]

next tier is all about crits

[drifting nova]

rng is equal across most specs so is a non factor

[royal zenith]

you're talking about skill variance

not spec

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

stop it

[royal zenith]

you're so wrong

it's crazy

[meager storm]

all classes do not have same rng

[drifting nova]

no but all specs HAVE rng

in some form

not that it's equal

or balanced

crit itself is rng

[wild dune]

Kill the boss, don't die, parse blue or higher

[tight knot]

i want oj kek

[meager storm]

but for some classes a crit wont make much of a diff, next tier for boomy getting an extra crit on the amped surge will be a pretty big difference

[wild dune]

imaginary funny number xd

[tight knot]

im half trolling ik what u guys mean

[lofty depot]

U get OJ during 0.5 and 0.7

[meager storm]

or dark ranger mm hunter being insanely volatile

[lofty depot]

First kill parsing is cringe. In most cases ur trolling ur raid

[tight knot]

yea, i just like it so thats what i go for

it is, but chasing big dam numbers keeps me sane while progging with 310759873290471934 pulls

[wild dune]

Man alt tabs to wcl the second the boss dies

[royal zenith]

to be fair

[drifting nova]

second monitor diff

[royal zenith]

on bosses like stix you were able to parse as boomie

this tier

[tight knot]

lmfaooo

[royal zenith]

on the first kill

[lofty depot]

U mean the boss that has no all-star points big

[royal zenith]

so fight dependance

it's still feedback

that's what logs are for

[drifting nova]

all stars is that circlejerk system right?

[royal zenith]

ye

[lofty depot]

Ye

[tight knot]

how easy is it to parse on stix as boomie? cuz boomie is op in that fight so its hard right? u gotta be hella good

[drifting nova]

the bomb one?

[tight knot]

what is all stars exactly? just a comparison system in wcl?

[meager storm]

u do not need to be good, u need ur team to let u pad on hyenas

[tight knot]

ye the one where u roll around lol

[drifting nova]

yeah you're given points for performance

[meager storm]

most bosses like that are about the team letting someone take all of it, therefore it gets removed from all stars

[tight knot]

so pretty hard unless raid helps u for it

[lofty depot]

Well it's AOE, so if u have a shit guild that doesn't play correctly u can pad far easier than a good guild where everyone is trying to pad

[meager storm]

but it doesnt count for all stars

so i dont worry about it

[drifting nova]

?? but faster killtimes better dam, higher parse ??

[royal zenith]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/ranks/

:3

[tight knot]

as ret i dont get shit lul
no pi, and we usually dont let ppl pad adds cuz we're just reclearing/no pad/parse runs

[lofty depot]

That can be true yes

[drifting nova]

aside from like cd timers

6:05 kills are cringe

[lofty depot]

Ur assuming any of us get pi

[meager storm]

mhm 19 people doing boss dmg and a single person padding

[drifting nova]

make haste great again

[royal zenith]

the minute you have your whole raidgroup accomodate so you can parse

[tight knot]

loool

[meager storm]

the usual

[royal zenith]

somethings wrong

[tight knot]

yea

but one can dream

[lofty depot]

Ur saying things that don't effect ur ability to parse. Play better = get better parse

[meager storm]

u have to be korean

[tight knot]

i am

but not in kr server/guild

[royal zenith]

also what is the definition of parsing anyway

99+ or 95+

[lofty depot]

Well he said orange so

[tight knot]

no 🤝 deal for me to pad like shit

sadge

[meager storm]

well i only see kr guilds doing that sht

[lofty depot]

Ye 95+

[royal zenith]

big diffy between 95 and 99

[lofty depot]

Or 96.... W.e.

[tight knot]

hahahaha fr?

[royal zenith]

I think that's because you want to see it that way

Fluup has done it too in the past

[tight knot]

ye 95+ but higher the better. i compete with my friends too to see who parses better

[lofty depot]

Yea his guild trolling us

[royal zenith]

psure Recruitie also had some credit in the past...

to have his group adjust....

[lofty depot]

But u can get 99s without it

I mean respectable was getting babysat on kyveza for r1

Fuggn cheater

[signal temple]

Somebody assure me I can do all 10s next season with EC

[tight knot]

ye ive gotten 99s just natty but i do be needing some luck/the right conditions to line up

[round field]

My healers wouldnt heal me if i was the only dps alove

[lofty depot]

I assure u

[round field]

You can do all 10s without speccing into a hero tree

[lofty depot]

Welcome to boomkin, that's always been the case

Also, I rank like 19 or some shit with a weaver no Starfall which has no rng

[lucid olive]

i got 99 parses but mythic aint one

[signal temple]

[tight knot]

why do u say that specifically for boomie? im sure literally every spec is like that

[royal zenith]

you can do all 10's next season with EC

[drifting nova]

what else would you play if not ec?

[lofty depot]

Ur correct

[royal zenith]

even while not touching your keyboard

[drifting nova]

ec is in the stratosphere in terms of fun

[signal temple]

A different class

[tight knot]

hahaha same highest in mythic is 96 for me

[drifting nova]

kotg is in the ground

[tight knot]

and no CE still 😭 best is 2%

[lofty depot]

I believe in u

3 weeks

[drifting nova]

smart, better not be trees, you treehugger

[lucid olive]

keeper of the bench

[signal temple]

I went M+ only on her this season because of how much I enjoyed EC

[tight knot]

maybe we will get it this week

[tight knot]

🙏

[lucid olive]

i have faith

[drifting nova]

started playing the demolish warrior spec recently having never played it last patch, kinda cool

imagine having 2 hero talents that are fun

[round field]

I forget there are actually psychos who enjoy ec

[signal temple]

Well I main Rogue but I also have a filthy Paladin

[drifting nova]

1 step forward (ec) 2 steps back (m+)

cant win em all

[lucid olive]

the arms colossus spec is so boring

button bloated as hell

[drifting nova]

D E M O L I S H

[lofty depot]

"tHe tHeM3 iSs sOo CooOl"

[drifting nova]

plus I love cleave

so

cleave is it

[drifting nova]

mhm yeah idk when to ravager half the time

[round field]

I mean the theme is cool

[signal temple]

I'll have to see how the season goes, I might dabble in Raid

[round field]

But the execution is dogshit

[maiden pasture]

the arms colossus spec is so boring

[drifting nova]

hi how ya doing

[tight knot]

whats ec

[round field]

Elunes chosen

[signal temple]

What's wrong with that

[tight knot]

whats wrong with ec? lol

idk shit about boomie

[lucid olive]

nah its pretty fun in raid with slayer imo

[lofty depot]

Casting starfire for 2s

[drifting nova]

naaa

no way you like slayer

[round field]

I cant say without getting timed out again

[drifting nova]

slayer warrior is worse than kotg

[lucid olive]

fury slayer in raid is fun too

[drifting nova]

IT HAS NO BUTTONS

just passives

[lucid olive]

thunderclap spam fury is also kinda fun

[drifting nova]

na, fury player opinion disregarded

[signal temple]

[drifting nova]

goodbye

[maiden pasture]

Fury is just more fun

[drifting nova]

see the issue with that is

thunderclap hero talents ..suck in raid

[lucid olive]

colossus arms just stinks

[drifting nova]

idk if they did this tier

but they did in nerub

[lucid olive]

you just play thunderclap spec on stix really

[drifting nova]

it's the warrior version of ec

you can play it

but 80% of the raid is st

for a spec that is aoe

[lucid olive]

and idk they're not that bad you just press thunderclap instead of whirlwind

[drifting nova]

like thunderclap worked on brood but that was it

[lofty depot]

Can we get a thyme out on warrior players, thanks

[lucid olive]

no

[lofty depot]

Fuggn rats

[lucid olive]

that class is more interesting

[lofty depot]

Yea cuz u can stand in fire and heal urself

[lucid olive]

shame i left my warrior to rot when turbo boost came out

[drifting nova]

can I say aswell

theres a shit ton of quest bloat when you login

my god

it's dragonflight 2.0

[lucid olive]

yeah most of them are piss useless though

[drifting nova]

90% sure I had my bis wep on my war set to int

when I got it

[lofty depot]

Don't worry, u got another campaign to do in 3 weeks

[drifting nova]

had no idea you could change it for a day

[signal temple]

I leveled a warrior in Mists Remix and haven't touched her since it ended

Looking forward to Legion Remix, maybe a Monk

[drifting nova]

you mean druid

[tight knot]

oh btw how has boomie been in df and sl? raid/m+ mid tier? meta?

[lucid olive]

SL we were turbo good all 3 tiers

[signal temple]

I already have that, she's my 2nd best character

[lucid olive]

we have suffered from that success ever since

[lofty depot]

We haven't been meta in raid since sl

[drifting nova]

one bad part I had about remix tbh, like its great if you want to make an alt and transfer over

originally thought it was going to be new servers and then closed/transfered off

[tight knot]

turbo good? 👀 why

[drifting nova]

remix locked

[tight knot]

lul

[lucid olive]

just tuned high

[lofty depot]

Venthyr

[lucid olive]

did more dmg than others

[tight knot]

how about in df

[lofty depot]

Well actually convoke busted s1

[drifting nova]

existed

[lofty depot]

Then venthyr

[signal temple]

I'm really only caring about Remix for the mounts

[drifting nova]

castle nathria goat tier

[lucid olive]

Meta in m+ season 1 and then dogshit for the rest of the expansion in all content

[lofty depot]

Good s1 cuz eclipse wasn't taken seriously

Remove eclipse gogogogo

[signal temple]

Even Stone Generals?

[tight knot]

was it a case of bad base or bad tier or both

[lofty depot]

Yes

[tight knot]

was another druid spec also meta during that time for m+ and/or raid

cuz isnt druid util hella good

[drifting nova]

with my dumbo guild kinda rough but not too bad, only did it on hc tho, only did mythic to the ogre

no

util is fake

[tight knot]

so the damage must have been giga ass

[lofty depot]

Well, u have to bring motw

[round field]

Util doesnt mstter if ur spec doesnt do dmg

[lofty depot]

So yes, other specs were better

[tight knot]

is eclipse bad lul

[drifting nova]

druid util went down this xpac if anything (for m+ anyway)

[lofty depot]

Uhhh, it's out lived it's function

[tight knot]

...............whats motw 😅

[drifting nova]

funny purple buff

5? vers

[lofty depot]

Ur pink claw buff

[tight knot]

push + vortex + vers buff kinda big tho no?

[lucid olive]

season 2 DF guardian druid, season 3 and 4 resto druid

[lofty depot]

3

[tight knot]

ohhhh mark of the wild

[signal temple]

Crazy, mine did up to Sludge on Mythic too.
I think we tried Generals a few times but just gave up because it was real late into the season (we weren't very good)

[tight knot]

fuq

loool

[lucid olive]

a druid spec has been in the top leaderboard keys for every tier since Mark of the Wild was added back

[round field]

ok and

[lofty depot]

He means feral s3

[drifting nova]

yeah..I pugged sludge..looking back it wasnt a wise time but kinda fun idk

[tight knot]

ah

[signal temple]

I don't miss pugging raids

[drifting nova]

my hatred for the lockout still exists

[signal temple]

I should try and get into a good guild before Midnight comes out

[lofty depot]

Btw we have a lot of uhhh comments about balance in its 11.1 state and further. There's a feedback post pinned u can read if u care to:) it talks about a lot of the problems

[drifting nova]

https://tenor.com/view/resume-shred-gif-13992096

[tight knot]

oh the one from 7/3 by aura buff moonkin?

ill take a look 🙂

[lofty depot]

Yessem

[signal temple]

This implies there was hope

[drifting nova]

well the paper almost escaped

theres hope in everything

[lofty depot]

U can turn the shredder off at anytime

Ur message will be received then (surely)

[drifting nova]

..turn the fax off? ok - blizzard

[plucky valley]

Wait that’s genius

No wonder why blizzard is still dominating the mmorpg genre

[drifting nova]

run escape coming up that hill