balance

[nova ocean]

Ya all I can base it off of is current which is terrible

[ionic oak]

I want to be angry about stuff right now

[barren carbon]

I'm holding onto my sandbag mentality. I did my part during normal testing and it wasn't enough 😂

[strong stone]

50% Aura Buff will save the spec

[wicked shuttle]

Blizzard gonna do what they’re gonna do

[strong stone]

[wicked shuttle]

Can’t do anything abt it

[nova ocean]

Also based of last tier they won't tune anything after raid drops till weeks after race

[tame dome]

motw is a direct 3% dmg increrase to everyone right?

[lofty depot]

50x0 is still 0

[nova ocean]

They literally did no tuning the first month of raid

[barren carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[lofty depot]

True, they're gonna augment motw so now 3% of ur damage is mine

[tame dome]

this is the way

[ionic oak]

Damn. OSRS do be looking good

[dire knot]

goodbye fotm boomies 😢

[willow tide]

Hey guys, one question: How much does the 2-piece tier set nerf affect the druid's total damage? I think they should increase the base damage?

[ionic oak]

Boomie since bc blud

I been druid gang since cat and bear had the same tree

[lofty depot]

It's to the 4p, it's currently bugged or not as stated, so currently like 40-50% diff from the day before.

The base damage of what

[ionic oak]

Before spirit was also counted as hit
Sheeesh

[pallid bay]

[dire knot]

damn you really took that personally

[barren carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-its-been-a-long-time-rose-dewitt-bukater-titanic-gloria-stuart-gif-16850506

[wicked shuttle]

Jesus LOL

[ionic oak]

1 hunnid

[lofty depot]

45% nice

See 40-50%, maff so easy

[royal zenith]

joever

[pallid bay]

its also just

[willow tide]

Ok ok thank you very much I say the base damage of the skills

[pallid bay]

compounding nerfs

[lofty depot]

Yea, base damage of skills. 60% of ur damage comes from surge

Which means 20 other spells make up the rest of the 40%

[leaden birch]

guys whats the consensus today

are we collectively mad?

[pallid bay]

its over

start dooming

[leaden birch]

shit

[dire knot]

doomer time

[leaden birch]

it's doom time

[barren carbon]

Never stopped

[ionic oak]

Thats our secret. We always mad

[loud kettle]

im always crazy for sure

[barren carbon]

meow

[lucid olive]

cwazy

[ionic oak]

I need a drink damn

[plucky valley]

I’m so livid I sent a threatening message to blizzard cs team and then the FBI showed up at my door 😔

This didn’t actually happen, at least not to me. I actually just stole this story from my friend who it did actually happen to

He plays VDH

[daring gull]

are we back to dooming again chat?

[plucky valley]

What did I just say

[leaden birch]

damn

a strongly worded letter to blizz hq

[daring gull]

its gotta be fake news

everyone knows we dont know how to write

[warped stratus]

I sent a piece of shit in a box for blizzard HQ

Hope they revert this situation

Those mandafakas

[daring gull]

shoulda sent 10,000 ladybugs instead

really sends a message

[lofty depot]

I made a bug report saying the spec needs Jesus, so midnight we will be op

[warped stratus]

I’ll do less dps than healers in the raid

[fervent oxide]

u use haste belt proc in m+ right

[daring gull]

but jesus is a shaman not a druid.

[warped stratus]

Shamans are brokan, mages are brokan, hunters brokan, dks brokan, monks brokan… everything brokan

Dudu no brokan

[plucky valley]

I do but simply because my haste was a little low and dotting everything was taking a bit to long

So the haste proc helps

[daring gull]

wows dead anyways. we are in house HoA waiting simulator

the true endgame experience coming next year tm

[lofty depot]

It's ok, we know who to blame

[warped stratus]

I’m installing tarisland

[warped stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/zaenyx-stan-twt-floptok-stan-twitter-angry-monkey-gif-9043512680090276749

[plucky valley]

@ tettles care to explain this?

[daring gull]

screw wow im gonna play hello kitty island adventure instead

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-butters-hello-kitty-gif-14455860143615553237

[warped stratus]

Anyone wanna play rematch?

[daring gull]

sportsball cringe

[lofty depot]

Wtf

[warped stratus]

Sold my pc right now on eBay

[daring gull]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-child-attitude-bam-wow-gif-5917462737396272075

im just mad that DKO got sunset

loved that game

[lofty depot]

Had potential for sure

[lucid olive]

Donkey Kong Origins?

[ionic oak]

Diddy Kong Origins

Diddy Did It

[lofty depot]

Divine knock out or something

Was basically characters/minis of characters from smite put into a 3D smash arena

[ionic oak]

Just gonna play the show
Go hit dingers with shohei

[vapid anvil]

Hey does anyone have a druid form macro that putsme in lunar form so someone can ride my form and then if I cant fly like im in a dung and I can go into deer form then it puts me in the deer form that lets people ride me? Or can that not work and I need to have two different macros?

[lucid olive]

what do you mean

Travel Form and Mount Form are two different forms

[obsidian girder]

Mount Form does both

[rain hinge]

I mean balance cant be that bad now right ?

[vital hound]

[scenic mist]

depends, raid or m+ ?

(it's bad in both)

[wild dune]

delete + reroll + file ur taxes + call ur mum

[ebon plover]

does he know

[obtuse marsh]

soo your telling me that i should play feral

[ebon plover]

feral always good copium

you'll just always have to run your own keys

[wild dune]

phys comp stocks are up and motw is motw

[scenic mist]

does he know

[vital hound]

i think get a comfy setup for watching from the bench

its bear season

[signal temple]

684 helm with a socket acquired

[rain hinge]

Balance will still have strong aoe in m+ ?

[ember quartz]

elune's chosen still exists

[scenic mist]

even EC feels weak on ptr m+

[meager storm]

[sour gale]

Is boomy now on life support?

[scenic mist]

this would be Ysera's gift
and we dont even have that anymore

[sour gale]

Damn so we just dead dead in 11.2

[meager storm]

3 weeks left

there is hope

[scenic mist]

Aura buff be like "look to my coming at first light on the 5th day"

[dense steeple]

you didnt even tag him

[scenic mist]

at dawn, look to the east guys

[scenic mist]

he didnt dare

[plucky valley]

I don’t initiate I like being sought after

[scarlet tapir]

@wicked shuttle explain for him he didnt want to tag u

[wicked shuttle]

We’re still ramping

[lofty depot]

i dont @ tettles, hes a busy man

[wicked shuttle]

On the rebound

[plucky valley]

Thank you

[dense steeple]

damn we almost had em

[winter spear]

u mean this one?

[celest narwhal]

Needs avoidance

[gentle patio]

So how much of a nerf is that in general?

[cloud citrus]

What about leech

[ionic oak]

Napkin math…. 50%
Dead

I suck at math though

[gentle patio]

XD

[lofty depot]

@meager storm why shred blasting and my dryad not

[gentle patio]

If its 50% nerf to our starsurge dmg, that would be a 30% nerf in total

[lofty depot]

its closer to 45 to surge

[gentle patio]

27% then

[ionic oak]

Not bad for someone who sucks at math. Right?

[vital hound]

we had a good thing going then he pulls this shit

[lofty depot]

well then u gotta add the 10% down from 20% from the splash

[lofty depot]

should i try bear

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

i think it gets proc'd with melee LOL

[vital hound]

wait

hit it in chicken

see if buff drops

[lofty depot]

time to test it in chicken yeta

AHAHHAHAHAHA

IT FUKCING DOES

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/bvF8w.gif

[vital hound]

220k melee tech

[ionic oak]

Boomkin melee class confirmed

[lofty depot]

thats a starfall, the hits are 77k bud

[obsidian jetty]

hope you took it, that one sims within margin of error with the haste for me.

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

bud im out here doing gods work

imagine ur in raid and u use a /startattack macro

and the buff gets consumed

u be angy

[celest narwhal]

So standing in melee range to parse is what I’m hearing

[lofty depot]

would hinder ur parse

if u have /startattack on

[celest narwhal]

Why?

[lofty depot]

did u not read what i said or

[celest narwhal]

Nope

Tldr

[lofty depot]

melee attacks consume buff

[celest narwhal]

:p

Can you report that plz

Thanks

[vital hound]

blud thinks they read reports

[lofty depot]

but no one reads those

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

what else can we break 😛

[celest narwhal]

So if I submit with a bunch of slurs you think I’ll be okay

[lofty depot]

go try it out

we could do an @ everyone and try to save u

[meager storm]

call the bots doing the tickets clankers

[potent cargo]

hard r

[celest narwhal]

clanka

[potent cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-star-wars-meme-meme-battle-droid-slap-gif-11746356623263779591

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-gif-919334760262788322

[potent cargo]

should i ask blizz to unban me

1 yr early

u think theyll do it

im fiending to play some darkmoon faire bro

maybe a couple world quests

[vital hound]

wait you got banned lol

[potent cargo]

nah

like

4 years ago

my other account is fine i just quit for various reasons

but the other one got a 5Y and we about 10 months away from being free

[ionic oak]

Damn

[vital hound]

gg

[glossy jungle]

banned for helping the gf get glad gg blizz hates love

[crystal mortar]

I just read the nerfs. How bad is it actually?

[potent cargo]

among other things

mightve sold like 4 or 5 characters

might've changed a few names

could've been anything they dont really give you a reason

[glossy jungle]

true

[potent cargo]

might come back

get this new transmog overall

drip factor too high to pass it up

[wild dune]

delete + reroll + file your taxes + text your mum

[lofty depot]

better to wait til august and see how bad it is

[wild dune]

Wrong

Doom now and decide a new main immediately

[dense steeple]

yea 😦

[vital hound]

fucking yoink

[glossy jungle]

[vital hound]

all time emoji

been feasting this week

[glossy jungle]

[vital hound]

[glossy jungle]

what a treasure. The world is lucky to have a man like Trump

[vital hound]

[mighty mica]

?

[vital hound]

!

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-drawing-silly-kat-executive-order-gif-7715092

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/kmuRdjHrPxA.gif

[crystal mortar]

Boomy main forever

[potent cargo]

[unkempt tree]

Radiant Power or stonebound for m+?

[lofty depot]

sim it

[kind wind]

Hey hey! Looking to understand some logs. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/qy3hJDmfkVAvw7dF/self?fight=3%2C3&type=damage-done&source=26%2C7

How am I losing in this fight? Am I just lowrolling procs?

I feel like I am getting more casts off and have better eclipse up time so I am a bit confused

[meager storm]

better gear than u

also looks like u have a sht ton of haste

should sim ur gear

[unkempt tree]

for m+ this are the best options to sim?

[pseudo merlin]

the worst

[lofty depot]

this isnt the reason yet but ur sending surges at the end of eclipse

[pseudo merlin]

sim 1t5m or MDT

[lofty depot]

1t 5m, change thingy to latest

u can do a funny 5t5m sim to see what would do it, but those types of sims are no where near acceptable

trees after getting into eclipse

seems odd to send surges right before ur about to do damage

[kind wind]

That makes sense. I think I may have needed to move. Is some of this what is causing my surges to have such a lower overall damage per press?

That seems like crazy variation haha.

[meager storm]

u had less crits

[lofty depot]

ur belt not 701 is crazy

also why do we have a shit off hand

[meager storm]

u should just sim urself

23k haste seems way off

[kind wind]

That is so fun. He does have bis, house of cards. and jastors so I wonder how much that impacts.

[lofty depot]

well he likely gets 1 more house of cards than u

but yea

[kind wind]

I was wearing the wrong neck on this pull admittedly

[lofty depot]

million crafted items

[kind wind]

I had a high haste neck from doing some m+\

[lofty depot]

probably have to send 1 or more as crit

or craft neck

[kind wind]

I have the crafted neck as haste mast but forgot to change after that

but outside of spending wrong on the trees window and some dumping at the end of eclipses, nothing glaring?

[lofty depot]

depends

generally speaking ur fine until u dont have cds then u start stair stepping

seems fine

[kind wind]

this is starlords?

[lofty depot]

probably

[kind wind]

LOL I am illiterate

Just confirms I play boomy

[vital hound]

13% of the time you don't play boomy

it seems

[lofty depot]

hes just going on a walk

[kind wind]

Apparently. Okay some good things to work on.

[meager storm]

also u have signet if ur highest stat is haste instead of mastery u are wasting it

[unkempt tree]

this are good for m+? or something more to change?

[mighty mica]

the "thingy" he so poorly described is the "SimC Version" to latest, top right

[lofty depot]

YEAYEAYEYEA

generally speaking we just sim as raid st

so all raid buffs but do what u will

[leaden birch]

hey guys just checking in, are we still dooming?

[dense steeple]

i been dooming for months bro

7.1 boomy is actual dead bro

11.1.7 boomy*

[fossil flame]

it was kinda wack

[leaden birch]

alright sweet, I will continue to spread the doom

[vital hound]

no way to get the infinite rune week 1 innit

[cloud plover]

its been said to be an endless grind

just grind innit

[vital hound]

where has it been said

larias said nothing found

[vapid anvil]

whats max item level of belt this week?

[sullen perch]

701 is max

[leaden birch]

guys

when s3 drops

m0 lockout is 1 week right?

[vital hound]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/edit?tab=t.0

read this

[plucky valley]

Oh my gosh latest blue post declared removal of balance

[cloud plover]

its in the thing you just posted

[plucky valley]

Devs having to much trouble balancing 4 specs

[vital hound]

IN MY DEFENSE

[cloud plover]

This has been there for a week or so

[vital hound]

it wasnt there this morning

i stg i read it yesterday and it wasnt

[cloud plover]

3 (three) days ago

i pinged someone about this

[vital hound]

what is the farm

we just killin shit

[lofty depot]

nice fuggn flash bang

[vital hound]

im yet to see an actual farmable thing

all the docs just say

farm to 18 renown

[cloud plover]

i almost posted an actual flashbang that wouldve gotten me banned

💀

[lofty depot]

TIDDIES?

[cloud plover]

sum like that..

[vital hound]

[mighty mica]

hmmm

[cloud plover]

chat i just saw grok give a footjob

idk how to feel about this

[plucky valley]

Bad probably

[leaden birch]

thx homie

https://tenor.com/view/tony-bestfriend-tony-lcsign-tony-bswm-gif-240245791562750745

[vital hound]

[shy void]

https://imgur.com/5PDzD7k

bomb guy walked off the edge instead of jumping

[lofty depot]

evoker player spit

[shy void]

i feel dirty too. next season i've resolved to be the chicken man again

[dense steeple]

bro im so MAD

[shy void]

i lost my way for a bit but i like moonkin...

[dense steeple]

3 minutes into a 4 minute killpull and dog changed colors and didnt move in the stack on sprocket and im the ONLY death

[lofty depot]

oof

[dense steeple]

i was PUMPING

[lofty depot]

shouldve wild charged

fuggn nob

[dense steeple]

why would i wild charge

when im standing in the correct spot

[dreamy locust]

after knock grandpa

[dense steeple]

i died as i landed

[shy void]

LOL

[dense steeple]

had i WC before i landed i wouldve landed in the red stack

[shy void]

this is dastardly

[dense steeple]

whats worse is its this blue man who did it

below him you see the tanks and an aug

then raid lead called for a res immediately

and i didnt get one

guys a rat and i will never be content ||he's already apologized and idc that much||

[shy void]

you won't be oofing when the moonkin 2% aura buff comes in

[shy void]

man i didn't think balance druid had a natural enemy but yeah fuck mages

[shy void]

LOL it's so crazy how YOU look bad when someone else kills you

[stone ledge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LRr1VYKWXJhMjPTt?fight=26&type=damage-done can someone look over this gally and see where im missing damage opportunities? last fight I need a 95+ on

[obsidian jetty]

biggest thing I see is poor movement. Tons of dot spam

the only thing tht isn't predictable on that boss is getting blaze, or getting big red circle. Otherwise everything else is scripted movement

[lofty depot]

2% yea so helpful

[stone ledge]

sounds about right, still newer to the movement as i joined a guild that had it on farm

i probably have about 25-30 total pulls

[cloud plover]

we had a guy join us for gally and he saw it for a total of 1 pull (we killed it)

lucky guy

[stone ledge]

bro got the mount too didnt he

overall 95.4 now so regardless i can end the tier happy no degenerate 99's

[dense steeple]

our trials roll it off

raiders first

||i still dont fuckin have it||

[delicate perch]

it's like week 800 how do you not

[digital berry]

Our trials have access to all gear

Very magnanimous from the raid lead

He says that since trials contribute the same as anyone else they deserve to have chance at the loot

[dense steeple]

luck

or lack there of

[shy void]

how did you do a good number on one-armed bandit

[shy void]

i never thought i'd see such an eloquent gentleman on discord

[shy void]

i like this guy

while it's true that some trials are bunk, when you get trials who are actually carrying your weaker players they deserve a sip of the juice too

[dense steeple]

trials get loot for sure

they need it too

but no free mounts

[shy void]

the first guild i played with this season (they fell apart at the end of this season if you can believe it) had me doing splits where i got no loot on either character LOL

like i was some kinda twitch chatter

i'm a discord parse tech stealer tyvm

[cloud plover]

when I joined my new guild, I was one of the last 3 to need mount
first run I had to trade it off to buyer

and then we didn't raid next weeks

next one we raided, we barely killed mugzee by end of raid time

I was giga afraid I wouldn't get my mount

[dense steeple]

im still certain with 6 left something wild is gonna happen and i wont get it

[cloud plover]

I finally got mine now luckily

imagine if the last time I'd seen it was "give to buyer"

[dense steeple]

i have so many mounts man

i want more

never content

[shy void]

glad you got it

and we'll soon celebrate somaloria too

next week

[dense steeple]

surely

[cloud plover]

soma getting it for sure

[dense steeple]

https://simplearmory.com/#/us/area-52/somaloria/collectable/mounts/

bedge time tho

[cloud plover]

crazy

[tardy hare]

0 Island Expedition mounts?! Wtf

[cloud plover]

I have like 150 mounts

helb

[dense steeple]

crazy right

bad luck soma

[cloud plover]

who cares about mounts anyway

anurelos <3

[dense steeple]

night bois

[tardy hare]

nighty night

[stone ledge]

uh just sunfiring adds and not padding on the irrelevant adds

[shy void]

ty i'm seeing the error of my ways checking some other logs too

[cloud plover]

sunfire.......

woaw...

[stone ledge]

i mean nothing i really did was to write home about

some people are still double dotting adds

just getting used to raids baits for coins just for uptime and not having to move a ton helps

[obtuse anvil]

hi guys, i am trying to gear up a balance druid for being ready for s3
are jastor diamond and house of cards good buys with chips?

i alr have best in slot weapon

[cloud plover]

jastor, hoc, mug are all good calls

[obtuse anvil]

thank you

boomkin is so fun 😄

[meager storm]

happy for u

[patent girder]

The vendor says that the bis weapon gives agi instead of intel. When you buy it, does it go to intel?

[meager storm]

read the last sentence

of the on use

[patent girder]

I am dumb, thank you

[daring gull]

being a mount collector as a druid main is always a special kind of hell

we really do it to ourselves huh

[bronze quail]

There is no way they believe these are ok numbers from a set piece buff that only lasts 10 seconds no?? Dryads starsurges btw

[lofty depot]

if they dont want it to do damage and just be the stored buff

also does a starfall

[scenic mist]

[pallid bay]

the surges should be affected by a bunch of your modifiers but they arent

[bronze quail]

Zzzzzzz

[pallid bay]

can always make a bug report

[bronze quail]

Yea I did Im just not a believer

But then again they prob fix this, hope is no cope

[pallid bay]

its a trivial fix tbf

[jade flume]

Its never getting fixed

[tulip snow]

how do I sandbag harder than my pally buddy?

[dire osprey]

too late for that

[sudden flame]

Didn't yall say it was a bug that the dryad benefited from starsurge modifiers

then they fixxed it now its a bug that it doesnt?

[jade flume]

I never said that

[sudden flame]

Or is it more that the dryad benefitted from the tier set bonus to starsurge whic h they removed, but its not getting increased now by like mastery

[pallid bay]

the dryad benefited from the tierset

now its just shooting out starsurges at 0.88*intellect

without any other modifiers

her starfall benefit from all our buffs though

[sudden flame]

i see i see

[crisp scaffold]

Blizz nerfs BM ,still does 40mil in aoe ,blizz nerf balance does 0 dam after wtf

[prisma basalt]

Isnt like we play EC in m+ anyway? Why ppl so upset about the nerfs?

[maiden pasture]

a lot of us care about raid

[prisma basalt]

Fair enough

[jade flume]

Also you wouldnt play ec in m+ if that tier came out like it was on ptr

But i also doubt anyone expected it to remain untouched

[prisma basalt]

It was to good to be true your right

[vital hound]

it was a weird gameplay loop

and i cant imagine blizzard wants to encourage us going into bear form

during incarn

[maiden pasture]

imagine if blizzard had multiple rounds of raid testing they could have made changes between and didnt have to do 5 nerfs at once

[warped stratus]

Any changes bois? Did we get Battle res?

Azerite wounds

[bronze quail]

Still praying that they will fix KOTG and make it viable tbh, it adds a fun playstyle to the otherwise very dull EC for M+

[near raven]

well from what Ive seen at the current state balance is dead in m+ and raid...would be nice to at least be playable in one of the two

[signal temple]

[fathom echo]

with kotg st and convoke, in the compendium it doesnt say anything about using force of nature if convoke is up but ca is down？

[sudden flame]

Sounds like you desynced cooldowns you always wanna have ca up with convoke

0:00 CA trees convoke , 0:30 CA trees, then 1:15 trees alone then 2:00 CA trees convoke 2:50 trees alone, 4 mins CA trees convoke

[pallid bay]

so true, great conclusions

[molten thorn]

So we don’t need to bear form after the changes right?

[fathom echo]

@sudden flame thx 🙂

[sudden flame]

correct

[molten thorn]

It said 2 piece so I was confused

[sudden flame]

ya they meant 4p

[open harbor]

mythic signet of the priory > hero HoC? kinda feels bad to have a 2 min cd, but patchwerk 5 min ST said 0,3% for signet

[lucid olive]

for m+ i'd take house of cards just cause 90 second trinket feels better

[open harbor]

yeah, makes sense for me, what about raid?

[late sapphire]

does fury of elune and starfall benefit from stellar amplification

[lucid olive]

foe no

starfall yes

[late sapphire]

interesting, thanks

[lucid olive]

Affected Spells: Starfall (50286), Moonfire (164812), Sunfire (164815), Starfall (191034), Starfall (191037), Stellar Flare (202347), Shooting Stars (202497), Starfall (359399), Crashing Star (408310), Crashing Star

[late sapphire]

oo where do i find info like that

[maiden pasture]

it doesnt affect shrooms?Xd

weird

[lucid olive]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/SpellDataDump/druid.txt

[late sapphire]

ty fren

[lucid olive]

its a pain in the ass to sift through but ctrl+f and patience is your friend

[late sapphire]

yea

[lucid olive]

apparently not

fungal growth entry has a bunch of old shit affecting it but not stellar amp

[sudden flame]

can also just check wowhead

[lucid olive]

wowhead more annoying imo

but yeah you can

[vale pebble]

wowhead doesnt have all of it

also the simc rep has 50 traps in it so have fun

theres like 20 wraths

[lucid olive]

its always funny when a spell gets buffed and you try to override sim

"which of these 20 Starsurge entries is it this time"

[loud kettle]

ye and you just buff all of em in the override

Can't miss

[pallid bay]

ctrl+f id=450214

[lucid olive]

i usually ctrl+f Name : "Name of Spell"

don't have to click "next" through every time the ID is mentioned

[pallid bay]

you'd think exactly the ID

or possibly if there's an ID with more numbers

[lucid olive]

do that with stellar amp ID and have it take you through the entries of everything it affects before it takes you to stellar amp's entry where everything affected is listed anyway

[pallid bay]

no man

id=450214

not 450214

[lucid olive]

oh yeah the others are just (id)

fair i guess

[pallid bay]

you need the id anyway to know that you're looking at the correct spell

at least the ones that have multiple with same name

[loud kettle]

I usually ctrl f spellname (i if I dont use the spellid

or id= something like that

[leaden birch]

gm guys

we still in doom mode?

[cloud plover]

when are boomkins ever dooming

[sudden flame]

boomkins are always dooming

[lofty depot]

Rats from other classes claim boomkins complain a lot

[leaden birch]

this is good though isn't it

we want to go into the patch mid

so we get buffed later

[lofty depot]

Imagine being mid

Ever

Guess my name would be respectable

[scenic mist]

Crippled little rata

[lofty depot]

Rrrrrrata

[dry cairn]

I play survival hunter. The dream is to be mid.

[brittle vigil]

sooooo how bad were the boomkin changes?

[lofty depot]

Nerfed our total surge dam by like 45%

[neon bane]

wtf ?

[lofty depot]

But they also lied about the number or did it wrong so see if it gets fixed

[dry cairn]

"Slight tuning of 4.5% but we forgot to put the decimal in"

[drifting nova]

are dryad just trees 2.0?

cringe

[vital hound]

[lofty depot]

Well they said the cap was no longer based on ur health, but 50x spell power which would be 128k x50 = 6.4mil cap on the buff.... But its actually x25, which is then 128k x25= 3.2m

Then nerfed the splash as well

[dry cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-kick-gif-5929792

[lofty depot]

Also they nerfed dryad for fun

Cuz they likely didn't understand why it was doing damage on initial testing

Life is hard

[jaunty blaze]

we get another 5% wrath buff dw

[lofty depot]

5% of 0

It's ok, if boomkin not meta in m+ we can finally do damage in raid

[jaunty blaze]

[lucid olive]

More like denizens 2.0

Show up, throw some spells that don't matter and then buff you a bit

[drifting nova]

..so ec gets it too?

[sonic crag]

A bit out of the loop lately. But its still treants 2 sec in to buff the 2 surges at the end of CA right?

[lucid olive]

can't know for sure without working sims

[maiden pasture]

it makes sense tho

[lucid olive]

i've been doing like

ca-surge-surge-treants-convoke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK8QX5en6Rc&list=RDvK8QX5en6Rc&start_radio=1 reminder of this banger

[lofty depot]

Depends cuz u could slam on cd and have ur 2nd trees up at the end of 2nd ca

That's u holding CA til the last 2-3 seconds of the first dryad buff tho, sim question tho

[frank grotto]

are we still looking solid on raid after nerfs

[sullen perch]

.......

there has been no raid testing since the nerf

[lofty depot]

Solidly gonna need an aura buff

[pseudo merlin]

banger

[pseudo merlin]

We're definitely not looking liquid

[wheat jungle]

Hey, can someone explain to me why boomies are suddenly using mugzees crit trinket?

[lofty depot]

We didn't suddenly start using it, it's been good the whole time

Some people were using wax for fun ig. But likely what u would be referring to is people getting mugzee kills and get it at 684 vs the randomness of vault trinket drops and having a wax at 684 vs 671 jug

But I digress

[wheat jungle]

I just thought that they didn't really care for crit all that much

or is it mainly for the main stat?

[lofty depot]

The stat isn't the reason we use it

[fervent merlin]

[teal lotus]

after the kotg nerfs will EC be the better spec for M+? or is nerfed kotg still more value with funnel

s3 ^

[fervent merlin]

🔮

[lofty depot]

Right now sure, but there's no way to tell without sims

[rich jewel]

Trinkets dont give the same amount of average stats

[fervent merlin]

Reroll angle

[rich jewel]

U cant just look at ah its this stat, must be best

[placid vault]

Is ec better now on ptr with keeper nerfs?

[lofty depot]

Please scroll up

[scenic mist]

Could you explain to a clueless owl what stands between us now and a working sim ?
Is it just the will of knowledgeable ppl to write the new APL ?

[placid vault]

Sorry I missed that thanks

[lucid olive]

https://www.github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/engine/class_modules/sc_druid.cpp

[lofty depot]

Sometimes it's tierset not being implemented, sometimes it's spells/interactions that need to be implemented.

[lucid olive]

Class module not updated

It needs to remove Lycara's Meditation since we just lost it and then add tier set implementation

[pallid bay]

path of exile

[lofty depot]

[lucid olive]

real

[scenic mist]

And who does that ? Competent part of the community ?

[pallid bay]

gastank and jund does any and all simc implementation for bamkin

[lofty depot]

commGASTANKunity

[pallid bay]

the APL is gamz and jund

[lucid olive]

Jund is also taking a break from WoW in general I think

[pallid bay]

gamz will happily take any negative feedback on the APL

[lucid olive]

irl job and stuff

yeah for sure

"whys my sim using this wrath here"

[lofty depot]

Time to use grok, the only acceptable use of AI

Grok help me fix weakaura

[scenic mist]

So that leaves only gastank
Does he take patreon donations ?

[pallid bay]

its ok though, im implementing the tier right now.. (no idea what im doing)

[loud kettle]

can you give people stuff in poe

That might work

[lofty depot]

He takes chaos orb donations

[pallid bay]

he plays private league

so would have to be part of that

guess you can never have too many stash tabs

[lofty depot]

Neither do the devs, so at least starting somewhere

[loud kettle]

Doing more than me, idek how wildstalker tier set works

[scenic mist]

Any ideas what can a candid and incompetent owl do to help speed the process ?

[pallid bay]

pray

[scenic mist]

[lofty depot]

Learn how to implement it and send the pr

[scenic mist]

Won’t help us for 11.2 tho

[lucid olive]

and none of them log in to the game anymore, and mage discord went haywire when their simc guy couldn't log in for a week..

[lofty depot]

If u learn fast it will

[scenic mist]

[pallid bay]

i will learn

need small donation though

[scenic mist]

I’m ready

[lofty depot]

Define small

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/a-million-dollars-rich-a-lot-of-money-jon-taffer-bar-rescue-gif-16535420

[scenic mist]

Time to give back

[lofty depot]

o7, chicken dead ig

[scenic mist]

Dollars = gold right ? Right ??

[lofty depot]

Dollars = lambos

[vale pebble]

im still here bro..

[lofty depot]

Oh, my bad dawg

[pallid bay]

chimken dead...

praying for buffs cause he has 3 boomkin roster

[lofty depot]

Tha do be tragic

Liquid has 4/5 boomkins all not playing boomkin so, they can learn an alt surely

[lucid olive]

that's fine, Echo has Krona

[lofty depot]

He's a feral player tho

[pallid bay]

dollars, you'll have to do better..

[scenic mist]

Krona feraling on Belameth dummy all day everyday

[lucid olive]

yeah...

[fervent merlin]

Sadge

[lofty depot]

o7

[scenic mist]

So all we can do is wait for the 5th day and look to the east I guess

[sudden flame]

Feral is ass too

[lucid olive]

the cats are sandbagging

[crisp scaffold]

feral too hard to play

[sudden flame]

I can personally say i did not sandbag and i was getting omega gapped on ptr

[crisp scaffold]

make it easier

[scenic mist]

[lucid olive]

cat easy as heck

rake shred rip gg

[crisp scaffold]

Idk I do 2mil in single with 680

so its hard to play

[scenic mist]

Refresh in TF ggwp

[crisp scaffold]

its not like ret

[lucid olive]

skrill issue

[wheat jungle]

Whats the reason then, im confused ? cause it's only effect if giving crit and main stat as far as i know

[vale pebble]

ok guys but u cant meme about that when ur playing moonkin

lets be real

grow up...

[lucid olive]

moonkin very difficult

[scenic mist]

Moonkin being easy doesn’t invalidate the feral being easy take

[lucid olive]

nah moonkin super hard..

[vale pebble]

it does u being able to laugh about it

[scenic mist]

I am when I read your msg

[scenic mist]

[crisp scaffold]

since I did some keys on my alt and seen moonkin doing 2mil overall in an m10 I think moonkin is not for everyone

[scenic mist]

Takes a monkey to recognise a monkey

[crisp scaffold]

Easy class is a class where whatever u press u dont lose so much dps compared to a good player

[scenic mist]

Ret paladin then

[crisp scaffold]

BM ,ret even dk

[scenic mist]

Press whatever is shining -> 80 parse

[vale pebble]

isnt wrath surge only

80% of ur dmg

[crisp scaffold]

I do 3mil on moonkin im parsing blue ,I do 3mil on ret IM 96 parse

[vale pebble]

yea thats not

how any of that works

[scenic mist]

Yeah but have to press at the right time

[vale pebble]

my man

u dont

thats my whole point

only time where that mattered was in cn

and even then it was 3x start of eclipse

wowzers

moonkin is always abc

[lofty depot]

It sims better, I mean look at the difference in total stats given and uptime. There's plenty of factors that determine trinkets value. Most of the time it's just a sim angle

[vale pebble]

just cast anything

[lofty depot]

Can't wait for AC to be meta and I get to yell at people for not using their ac proc

[vale pebble]

what proc does ac have bro

[lofty depot]

Starfall cheaper bro

[vale pebble]

chills

hope its still less ap per min than nb

[lofty depot]

Wrath wrath Starfire Sunfire moonfire Starfall foe CA Starfall Starfall trees

[vale pebble]

how do u even

use this wrong

[lofty depot]

🙂

Gotta think of the worst way to play possible then work up from there

[vale pebble]

ive seen

some bad things in my life

[lofty depot]

[vale pebble]

if u waste this proc

its probably also

very irrelevant

[lofty depot]

Clearly it's massive

I saved 30 asp, that's a free surge

[vale pebble]

its like

1 ap per sec

crazy

bet if i pull out the voti talent sheet

its still same dmg gain

[lofty depot]

[vale pebble]

but they buffed it

it used to be same appm as nb

but better above like 6min

worse below or something

cause nb was more frontloaded

[lofty depot]

Play both, cuz cats are poo

[vale pebble]

cats were op

[lofty depot]

I mean they still slam, I'm just bored

Dropped cats for cosmos during Queen prog for -1% damage cuz bored

[vale pebble]

chills

[lofty depot]

Yea but that's normal numby and not new tierset numbys

[vale pebble]

10.1 numby

[teal lotus]

feral is so easy they can spread their dots in aoe meanwhile boomkins have to moonfire every other mob

[lofty depot]

Is that the hasted one

[teal lotus]

[lofty depot]

Where u could get 10 cats out

[sudden flame]

Just check stix and you will see feral spreading dots as impossible whilst boomie spams starfall without dotting and topping the group

[vale pebble]

yea u could get like

3-4

[lofty depot]

Parsing based on cats proc

[vale pebble]

true

[lofty depot]

See recruitie with 70% up time with 5 cats during cds

[vale pebble]

they need to bring back yoma to teach new gen a lesson

[lofty depot]

Maybe if tettles says EC is best for ST we will suddenly find hidden keeper tech, thoughts

[iron chasm]

Yeah some crazy tech like

[lofty depot]

Nah crazy tech like

[iron chasm]

👎🏼

[lofty depot]

Surely frost will be fun with all the cleave in raid

[misty patrol]

If it is they’re gonna nerf it

[glad jay]

So blizz just makes balance unplayable just like that huh...

Time to go mage ig

[ebon plover]

chat are we back

[maiden pasture]

we were

but now we're not

[lucid olive]

back to being bad

[jaunty blaze]

back to bottom of the chart

[plucky valley]

Don’t think we can recover from this one

[sudden flame]

🧢

[digital berry]

I expected them to nerf us but damn

Guess we’re back to the cycle of being absolutely utter trash and getting small buffs every week until we are just kinda trash

[spiral hull]

I thought for sure they would have just reworked the set

[rough ruin]

What did I miss lol

[spiral hull]

I guess that's kind of a rework, lol

[digital berry]

Nah they double down on it and continue to fail to make it good by over nerfing and overbuffing

[spiral hull]

There were unannounced changes to the tier set, check pins

[rough ruin]

Ah ok thanks, I just joined the discord

Trying to find a new main since they murdered fire mage

[lucid olive]

surely just play the other mage specs

[lofty depot]

Frost yea

[empty girder]

Hi guys, any feedback on this would be appreciated: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bGPxT1jDm9pwtrn2?type=damage-done&fight=19&source=1

I feel that I'm not using starsurge enough and I'm just pumping dmg when adds come out

[lucid olive]

use cooldowns together

this is at 2 minute

your CDs will come up naturally when you're doing the soaks after the 2nd bomb deposit

just hold it for the adds

[lucid olive]

don't Sunfire too much

your first casts in CA should be spenders and not wrath/starfire

like this is criminal

[lucid olive]

also don't want to Sunfire in your CDs either

i was boutta send that

[lofty depot]

As such same thing, ur casting dots in cds

[empty girder]

Yeah idk what happened there lol

[lucid olive]

make sure that all the adds are dotted before using CDs

Sunfire twice if the first one doesn't hit all 3 and then do treants->CA on that set

on another random pull you started the fight with a Wrath too

just enter CDs -> Spend AP -> Convoke under 40 AP

[empty girder]

Ok

so opener would be - sunfire, moonfire and then cds

[lucid olive]

ye

Moonfire first though but that's very minor

[lofty depot]

U also don't need the wrarth in ur cd

U get 2 surges

[lucid olive]

Should also CA as the Force of Nature global is about to end

You want your CA to be right before or on the same global as a damaging spell

here you did it right

on wipe 12

[scenic mist]

This sunfire is bannable offense tho

[lucid olive]

yeah for sure

just talking about the CA timing really

[empty girder]

Probably I'm hesitating way too much on using cds and I'm not waiting to dot first

Sorry guys

[lucid olive]

I would hold these trees for when you enter back into Solar

[lofty depot]

Don't be sorry, be better

[scenic mist]

[lucid olive]

Those Gally adds are annoying cause its kinda random if your Sunfire hits all of them unless you're the one pulling them, but then your tank gets mad at you

[scenic mist]

Just pull everything with starfall and go “idk what happened”

[lofty depot]

Also, like on the adds right. I generally send like idk 3-4 starfalls and I'm then surging

[lucid olive]

We had mistweaver pull it on our kill

[lofty depot]

U can also prep into the spawn have asp for said spawn but u might be over valuing it

[lucid olive]

Yeah you just Starfall to empty AP at the start, but they get blown up so quick you just finish off whatever and keep going

on that 2nd set of adds I just Sunfire the mobs -> Treants -> CA+Starfall -> Starfall -> Wrath to spend Dream Burst stacks -> Starsurge

[empty girder]

So quick recap guys:

Do not precast, just do moonfire, sunfire and then cds.
Do not use any dots while on cd just make sure to cast wrath and spenders.
Save trees until I get on solar eclipse
Get better <- important one

[lofty depot]

Not starfiring in CA when they're stacked smh

[lucid olive]

Starfire takes forever the adds are dead before the last Dream Burst

[lofty depot]

What do u mean, don't precast

Who said don't precast

[empty girder]

This

Or am I confused?

[lofty depot]

That's not what that means

[lucid olive]

yeah that just means don't Wrath in the start of your CDs

but also precasting on Gally is sus

cause if you pull the boss you insta die

[empty girder]

ok got it

Thank you guys

[lofty depot]

I just dont pre pull no

Fuggn rats pulling at 1

[leaden birch]

i pre pull

i ain't no bitch

i just don't do a full pre pull lmao

[severe hollow]

I have a feeling you dont understand what pre pull means

[leaden birch]

my full pre pull is 2x wrath, starfire

[severe hollow]

no

[leaden birch]

i skip the starfire so I don't accidentally pull gally before my tank

[severe hollow]

thats your pre cast

[lucid olive]

those are your precasts

[lofty depot]

That's not what that means

[severe hollow]

your pre pull is hitting boss too early

[lofty depot]

Lol

[leaden birch]

alright fine

who the fuck pre pulls on any boss

[severe hollow]

a lot of ppl

[leaden birch]

k but thats clearly wrong though

[lucid olive]

our warrior kept heroic throwing on Bandit prog and pulling boss

that was fun

[severe hollow]

yea ofc its wrong

[fervent merlin]

Prepull so someone else doesn’t

[severe hollow]

but on some bosses its more wrong

[lofty depot]

like gally

[lucid olive]

and mugzee

[leaden birch]

I mean, I've survived it before

dying by pulling gally too early is still less embarassing than dying to cratering circle

[scenic mist]

i literally have a snitch /say WA to tell

[scenic mist]

debatable, i'd say equally ridicule

what's worse, not knowing how to count to 10 or not knowing how to strafe 3sec ?

[ionic oak]

I cant do either
🤙

[pseudo merlin]

IM SITTING IN THIS FUCKING SPOT WAITING FOR AN HOUR AND 22 GOD DAMN MINUTES

I LEAVE FOR 30 FUCKING SECONDS

AND IT SPAWNS

[scenic mist]

who cares

you wont bear form anyway

[pseudo merlin]

I hate this game

[scenic mist]

seems like the game hates you back lmao

[pseudo merlin]

fucking hell

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sneak-sneaky-soon-gif-5698462

[lucid olive]

stacking on pull 💀

[scenic mist]

yeah i dont do that, i'm literally on the edge of the platform (precasting 1 regrowth and 2 wraths)

[scenic mist]

this would be me

[lucid olive]

yeah i just stand in the spot i'm assigned to during the shield

[scenic mist]

same

[pallid bay]

The trick is to precast 4 regrowths

[scenic mist]

only to have you 4 stacks reseted on pull

[pallid bay]

The real tech

[leaden birch]

if yall don't stack then isn't there a chance gally drops on you then it's out of position

tbh I never risked it so I was just a good boy and stacked

[lucid olive]

he drops on the biggest clump i think

same as how the frontal works

[leaden birch]

well fuck me so I could've just cheated to the edge

[lucid olive]

either that or he drops on the one who pulled, no clue really

i've always just stood outside and haven't had an issue yet

[pallid bay]

There was some guy who tested it

Biggest clump

[lucid olive]

is the clump the middle then

or is it like the beam

like if there's a clump of 7 people and then another clump of 7 a few yards away, would he drop between the 2 clumps?

or would he rando pick a clump and drop on top of em

[digital berry]

I just have an evoker rescue me once boss is pulled so I stack with everyone else

[pallid bay]

Most people

[lofty depot]

Sounds like ur not casting spells

[scenic mist]

i dont even know what i'm looking at

[pallid bay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laughing-gif-4061075348667817765

[sour plaza]

does berserking racial not work in a CA macro anymore?

[lucid olive]

it should

[scenic mist]

show the malfunctionning macro, we might help find the issue

[drifting nova]

blizz doing their hardest

cant sub again

smh

[lucid olive]

poor?

[drifting nova]

brother thinks I'm danish

shop doesnt work in app

open in browser

[lucid olive]

forbidden from spending money

gg

[drifting nova]

like ???

yeah it's fucked

[red mantle]

Least based kekkers reply

[drifting nova]

LET ME SUB

😡

[sour plaza]

@scenic mist #showtooltip Celestial Alignment
/cast Berserking(Racial)
/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment

[scenic mist]

get rid of (racial)

i guess

[lucid olive]

have you tried relogging

[lofty depot]

Always the random stuff before the CD hm

[sturdy cave]

Are you talented into the version of CA that sends the beam out? Last I tried that macro breaks when you talent out of it. Just made separate macros for both versions of CD and swapped as needed

[sour plaza]

i am not talented

and removed the cursor just now

racial removed still doesnt work

[lofty depot]

U don't need to do that

Thing breaks when u talent orbital, need to relog

[scenic mist]

are you playing a troll ?

[sour plaza]

yes

[scenic mist]

have you relogged ?

[sour plaza]

havent been in orbital in who knows how long

months

[scenic mist]

i take that as a no

relog

[sour plaza]

i just did

[lofty depot]

Does a funny error message come up at the top of ur screen on red

[sour plaza]

nope

[scenic mist]

show new macro

[sour plaza]

#showtooltip Celestial Alignment
/cast Berserking
/cast Celestial Alignment

relogged

[scenic mist]

is zerk off cd ?

[sour plaza]

still made me press bers

yes

[scenic mist]

rewrite the macro in a new macro

[lofty depot]

#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Celestial Alignment
/cast Nature's Vigil
/cast Berserking

Just move shit around and see. Idk why ur shit bricked

[scenic mist]

this should work so we just have to work around blizzard game being blizzard game

[lucid olive]

Is your game in another language?

[sour plaza]

no

[lucid olive]

then yeah just rewrite in new macro

shit happens

[sour plaza]

yea i just made awhole new one

[lucid olive]

the macro you sent works for me

[sour plaza]

just wondering if others had any issues

[lucid olive]

don't think so

[lofty depot]

Never

[lucid olive]

not enough people play troll to notice if it's widespread anyway

[scenic mist]

last time i played troll was back in WoD

[sour plaza]

yea just needed a whole new macro

will delete the one i had

[scenic mist]

[lofty depot]

But doing the same thing over and over expecting different things to happen.

[scenic mist]

sounds like moonkin tuning cycles

[plucky valley]

Gg tbh

I’m gonna learn guardian now wish me luck I hear it’s boring

I meant challenging *

[scenic mist]

"learn guardian"

[lucid olive]

bind ironfur to scroll wheel

[scenic mist]

lmao

every gcd is trash, if you cant trash moonfire ggwp

[plucky valley]

I’m cooked

Back to neopets I go

[drifting nova]

anyone know what level the lowest raidsare now

[scenic mist]

undermine

it's below ground

[plucky valley]

Well

I mean Azshara eternal palace is like

Really deep in the ocean

[scenic mist]

not that deep