balance

[obsidian jetty]

it's referencing the 4p. It was capped at 50% of your HP

not sure why they wrote, 2p. It also wasn't changed to 50 times and is actually 25 times atm on ptr

[jade flume]

50% of ur hp is like 5mil tho, why were starsurges hitting for a garzilion

How many modifiers are there even

[obsidian jetty]

alot

your normal surge is like 800-900k dmg on tooltip

you're adding 5mil to that tooltip

that is alot of extra dam

and you could get your cap upwards of 8-9mil

[jade flume]

Yeah, well rip in peperonies

[crisp scaffold]

feral angle ? 😄

[patent girder]

Kind of a new player here and I like Elunes Chosen path a bit more. Is it that bad in comparrison to keeper on single target?

[vital hound]

they also changed duration lol

im convinced they made a bunch of changes

and just said to bluepost writer

"we changed stuff just guess"

[analog monolith]

lets see where it lands, i hope the main idea stays and it stay strong, although it felt like it was too much of our dmg

better get some buffs in while htis is nerfed, but it would be shame if those starsurges arent stasifying anymore

but im glad its not bear shifting meta

[scenic mist]

There were four unannounced changes in the 14/07 PTR notes:

• Our two-piece dryad has been fixed to do damage, but it's very low
• Our four-piece** pools 3%** of damage done during dryad, instead of 5%
• The four-piece buff (favor) now lasts 15 seconds instead of 45
• Splash damage from buffed surges has reduced from 20% to 10%

In addition, the damage cap is now 25x spellpower/intellect (and not 50x as blue posted) instead of 50% maxHP (removing the bear form/HOTW gameplay)

[analog monolith]

ouch

whats the cap in rough numbers now compared to before?

[scenic mist]

half

[analog monolith]

thats rough, but could still feel ok. (speaking m+ mainly i dont raid)

but we surely need some compensation buffs i think

[jade flume]

Will have to see how it looks after tuning tbh

If it looks weak on release then its probably gonna stay that way

Since blizzord doesnt like to shake up the meta after its established

[scenic mist]

"if"

[jade flume]

But thats for raid, for m+ its irrelevant how it looks like on season start

[vital hound]

there will be a tuning pass next week/week 1

so tbc

[jade flume]

Until .5 patch

[vital hound]

any dooms are too early

(im learning feral)

[dense gust]

the heck is 50x base spell power

[lucid olive]

Intellect

[scenic mist]

wouldnt bet on a tuning week1 as looq said

[vital hound]

week 0 is what i meant

[scenic mist]

it's actually 25x btw

[vital hound]

w/c 5th

[scenic mist]

my RL asking me if i've got an Aug spec

this is were the trouble began

[jade flume]

Gg

I love aug tho

[lyric junco]

Tell him/her you're sick and can't play

[scenic mist]

i dont pay 13€/month to not play
the race is all i've got

[lyric junco]

RIP, you're in a good guild. Guess you gotta do it

F's buddy

🫡

I aint starting maintaining the spreadsheet WA again though, so gl hf

[twin lotus]

was nice while it lasted

[dense gust]

isnt the 2 set just the dryad spamming surges at 30% spell power? so itd be capped at like 5mil? or are the patch notes referring to the 4 set by mistake

[twin lotus]

no 13 boomies fractilus

[scenic mist]

patch refers to 4p

dryad spams surges doing 150k dmg

ggwp

[vital hound]

lol

at least its casting

i guess

[scenic mist]

🧌

almost 400k crit

[vital hound]

[tawdry dune]

So i guess that nerf was huge? haha

[scenic mist]

try bigger

[twin lotus]

and the dryads favor duration decrease pretty much kills double CA

[scenic mist]

no you can double CA

it prevents you from triple CA tho

[twin lotus]

if it is 15s, that means u can double CA yes, but without trees

sounds giga grief

[scenic mist]

you'd probably tree on the 2nd CA

but bot will tell when it's up

[rich rapids]

still worth playing convoke or incarn?

[lucid olive]

For what

[scenic mist]

no sim = no answer, but i dont see why kotg would stop playing voke

[patent girder]

Is elunes chosen that bad compared to keeper on st or aoe? New to druid and wondering why no one is talking about the other talent tree

[scenic mist]

it's a solid 10-15% behind kotg in ST iirc

[obsidian jetty]

it's also not very interesting to play. Just starfire simulator

so nothing to talk about

[crisp scaffold]

U dont use starfire in kotg build ?

[scenic mist]

in raid ? only to get into solar

[crisp scaffold]

m+

[scenic mist]

ofc you'd starfire in aoe

kotg or not

but we were talking raid, nobody cares about m+ minigames

[crisp scaffold]

Atm I dont have a guild to raid so Idk

[tawdry dune]

Whats the most optimal way to play with your 2 stack of Incarn? 🙂

[scenic mist]

dont overthink it

big pull -> cd

if 1st charge fades when pack is still well alive (50% health for exxample) you could fire the 2nd charge

i personally like to have a charge on each pull to keep consistent damage

[crisp scaffold]

If the group is good u only use 1 incarn ,from what Ive experienced,if not key is dead anyway

[tawdry dune]

What about trees etc in raid? You save one incarn for tree or how are you guys playing it?

And thanks for answer! Much love

[scenic mist]

#balance message

[vital hound]

@lucid olive this feels like a pin candidate (or at least the information) - if its correct

[tawdry dune]

Thats what i was looking for! Thanks alot!

[dire osprey]

think id rather eat glass tbh

[obsidian tapir]

after

that was a 13 halls dunno if that DK was hella bad

[scenic mist]

great afflock for sure

[obsidian tapir]

he said his class is bad. dunno, I did not try aff :))

[wanton ledge]

Aff is dogshit 😦

[lucid olive]

<@&114146878353833984> pin this

[dense gust]

so like the set bonus doesnt do anything nemore

meanwhile locks get 50% buffs to their core skills

[sudden flame]

set goes from 60% of your damage to like 20% of your damage which is in bounds of other specs

[plucky valley]

Good morning bamerkins last night I did a key and cast moonfire on a mob and I was all like oooooooh yeah that’s the good stuff

[deft quiver]

how's EC damage at the moment for M+

Or just in general

[crisp scaffold]

Meanwhile all the other classes finish at 8mil overall in that key

[sudden flame]

all the overtuned specs ye

[strange trench]

DK bad

[dense gust]

they make locks horrific for m+ by design but giev them giga buffs non stop in raids

[pallid bay]

proof?

[obsidian tapir]

I did only 1 key I know I did 2 days ago with an mm hunter who had 12 mil overall

[sudden flame]

well ferals is less than 20% so

[atomic sand]

byebye boomie for raid progress 😭

[dusty birch]

[pallid bay]

so no proof

[sudden flame]

correct

[dusty birch]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-revolution-gif-11760395

[thick vortex]

Is Elune the way to go for m+ as of now?

[autumn raven]

#believe

[maiden pasture]

Moonkin will be fine in m+

When we doom, we doom about raid

[lyric junco]

You think it'll be part of the meta comp again next season?

[lucid olive]

Sure why not

I love guessing shit that's 6 months in the future

[spice roost]

6 months?

[lucid olive]

M+ meta not relevant until last patch of the season

Ye 6 months

[dusty birch]

Let's pray for a reverse and add aline for raid group

[lyric junco]

that's what I like to hear mystic meg

[pseudo merlin]

This tier is gonne be a 1 yearer buddy

unexpected midnight delays

[lucid olive]

Hope they delay it

War Within wasn't delayed and it was turbo bugged on release

[vital hound]

as long as it doesnt clash

with gta6

idc

[pseudo merlin]

GTA6 has an actual release date?

[vital hound]

26 may 26

[pseudo merlin]

damn

[obsidian tapir]

This year

[lucid olive]

No

Next year

[dense gust]

2029 for pc

[obsidian tapir]

They shadow drop it 😂 on pc this year

[lucid olive]

Good thing I bought a PS5 to play Spider-Man

[obsidian tapir]

Good choice I will buy again a ps5 for gta 6

As I sold it for profit

[lucid olive]

700 euro console for 18 hour Spider-Man game

Big value that

[dense gust]

gta6 gona be unplayable on my 12gb vram 5070

[obsidian tapir]

You got the pro one ?

[lucid olive]

No I'm Norwegian

[obsidian tapir]

Dunno your accent felt like something in the south

[lucid olive]

Gg

It feels like the south now with this heatwave

[obsidian tapir]

I saw north of europe is burning

[lofty depot]

U can trees the first CA and it be up for the last bit of 2nd ca

[lucid olive]

Is it? I have air conditioning

[lofty depot]

By waiting til the last 2-4 seconds of buff if ur playing early spring and control

[obsidian tapir]

Lol I swear all my friend from the north of Europe do not have ac 😂

[lofty depot]

Surely 1 can exist while the other exists

[dire osprey]

if it isnt in my line of sight it doesnt exist

[lofty depot]

Maybe gamz isn't north europe

He's been lying this whole time

[vital hound]

can confirm he is

[lofty depot]

Sheep's a known liar

Also, isn't from North europe

[lucid olive]

Sheep knows me on a personal level

We're like that 🤞

[vital hound]

we were tight

then you called me a bean bozo

[lofty depot]

Should start a YouTube channel, 2 baka's traveling europe

[vital hound]

just 10 hours of two weirds talking about damage modifiers

[lucid olive]

Okay, zip it, lock it and put it in your pocket buckaroo

[vital hound]

thats a banger

[lucid olive]

"videos to fall asleep to" algorithm on YouTube hits

[vital hound]

https://tenor.com/uKM4.gif

i want more of these origami gifs

[lucid olive]

I haven't got the origami jokes before you so I kind of applaud it

[vital hound]

thats INSANE

[lucid olive]

Usually I just get "ha ha you must suck at poker"

[vital hound]

you need funnier folks around ya

[lucid olive]

Yeah you're not wrong

[vital hound]

the reels have improved

tbf

i have a fresh lot to get through when i bedge

[lucid olive]

Oh I can make it worse give me a couple minutes

[vital hound]

please no

christ

[merry ibex]

Someone can help me about new tuning what happened and if boomie is still good for next tier?

[lofty depot]

Read the pin

[lucid olive]

close the )

[scenic mist]

✅

[lofty depot]

Letting the french do important things challenge

[obsidian tapir]

❤️

[vital hound]

what an incredibly well formatted pin

[scenic mist]

the edit came from sheep i deny all responsabilities

[vital hound]

INCORRECT

I DIDNT ADD THE BRACKET

[lofty depot]

Which edit there's been 12

[vital hound]

the edit

[lucid olive]

thats what i do as well

i just don't give him credit and take it all myself

[vital hound]

waiting on my residual

[scenic mist]

not only did you not close the bracket, you added the cap part to the bullet point

[lofty depot]

Put in the wrong date aswell

[vital hound]

english not american

[scenic mist]

right date

wont edit this

[lofty depot]

L

[scenic mist]

W

[lofty depot]

austraLia

[vital hound]

NeW Zealand

[vital hound]

ok listen in my defense

im drunk

[lofty depot]

new zeaLand

[scenic mist]

France
wait

[drifting nova]

[lofty depot]

Lrance

[vital hound]

FLance

[lofty depot]

white fLag

[cloud plover]

why does the pin say unannounced

fake ass news

[scenic mist]

as in not blue posted

[cloud plover]

but it was in the patch notes so it was blue posted

[lofty depot]

But ur announcing it

[cloud plover]

[lofty depot]

Well they weren't in the blue post

They were data mined

[scenic mist]

only part in the patch note is the cap changing, which isnt in the bullet points tagged as "unannounced"

[lofty depot]

And then we're tested

[cloud plover]

sounds like fake news if we knew about it

[lofty depot]

Puppy gonna get put on the table again

[cloud plover]

that sounds fun where do I sign up

[lofty depot]

At the table

[cloud plover]

omw

[lucid olive]

it was in fact not in a blue post

the blue post said 50x base spell power

blue post lied

[cloud plover]

I think ur facts are false the blue post wouldn't lie

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-betrayal-in-his-eyes-cat-shower-nosolohit-gif-17340060996863322984

[vital hound]

i think you'll find it did

[lofty depot]

Maybe dev lied to the blue poster

[cloud plover]

wow you can't just say that

that's big accusation

[lofty depot]

We must stand up to the boomkin oppression

[cloud plover]

boomkin oppression sounds good

I picked this spec as a split alt to get bullied and made fun of, oppress it as much as possible

[pseudo merlin]

Ah you've got a humiliation kink I see

[lofty depot]

Wanting to be oppressed, hmmm

Puppy is a degradee

[cloud plover]

now now let's not go that far......

[plucky valley]

What should I play if I have a domination kink but I’m the one being dominated?

[cloud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ui-mama-anime-bozo-settle-down-bozo-ui-bozo-anime-gif-16754421357059991258

[cloud plover]

Aug instead of dev

[lofty depot]

That's what we just described, and it's boomkin

[plucky valley]

Oh good I’m in the right spot

What

[cloud plover]

you were too afraid to even say the word

L

not very dominant

[pseudo merlin]

faker spotted

Get on your knees you sub

I didn't say you were allowed to make eye contact

Eyes to the floor

[lofty depot]

That's crazy

[cloud plover]

woah

[pseudo merlin]

Sorry I got carried away

[cloud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sigma-sigma-male-blush-omg-gif-5466103316522755374

@pseudo merlin thoughts on these accusations

[jade flume]

I love subs

[grand mica]

I stand by what I said

[cloud plover]

nice doxing

[pseudo merlin]

false

ask @past tide

All bamkins are daddy doms

[grand mica]

Who cares who cares

[cloud plover]

what does mattiu have to do with it

[pseudo merlin]

he's OG daddy dom

[cloud plover]

so he's a sub

[pseudo merlin]

no shot

[cloud plover]

30s of his twitter was enough to tell me that

[scenic mist]

can a sub have a sub ?

[cloud plover]

yes

[scenic mist]

mmh
so these 13€ a month wont save me

[cloud plover]

no

Also if ur paying with irl money ur even more sub

chads (like me) pay with gold for everything

[scenic mist]

i cant

need my gold for the blackmarker gold sink

might get lucky with a zulian tiger (never)

[cloud plover]

zulian who

[scenic mist]

exactly

[cloud plover]

Just buy it with gold

[scenic mist]

the tiger ? cant be fast enough

[cloud plover]

Yea, plenty of people out there who give it away

especially for a nicely hand-refined gold bar

[scenic mist]

are these plenty in the room with us ?

[pseudo merlin]

Imagine you're spending all your money on desperately gambling for some mount that came out 20 years ago

[scenic mist]

did you see the ping i did the other day

got a lame ass pet

[pseudo merlin]

no

[scenic mist]

but one day i will highroll

[cloud plover]

if only this place allowed emotes

[lofty depot]

Please zoom in ur meld icon

[pseudo merlin]

?

[lofty depot]

Is ugly

[pseudo merlin]

what about it

it's a button on an actionbar

not a WA

[lofty depot]

Ewwww

[pseudo merlin]

cuz Oi's WA pack sucks

[lofty depot]

What the

[cloud plover]

yeah fuck Oi and his WA pack

[scenic mist]

#balance message

[lofty depot]

Blud doesn't know how to turn on the defensives

[pseudo merlin]

^

[lofty depot]

Or add a new one

[warped stratus]

Quitting this game..

[cloud plover]

adding a wa myself always feels like I'm a scientist

[pseudo merlin]

based

[cloud plover]

Gold into my mail ty

[scenic mist]

he came to say he quits

based

[lofty depot]

Big smart

[cloud plover]

[pseudo merlin]

me when I eventually die of old age and nobody cares

[warped stratus]

I’ll play hunter bois

[cloud plover]

juil

[cloud plover]

bro u said ur quitting the game

[lofty depot]

They got nerfed too

[cloud plover]

silence already

[pseudo merlin]

yeah its over for BM

that 3% hit hard

[warped stratus]

Then I’m quitting

[cloud plover]

keep it that way

don't let anyone convince you otherwise

[warped stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381658825349796010/1381672170719285248/catOm.gif

[lofty depot]

o7

[scenic mist]

🧀 🍷 🥖

[cloud plover]

you have to quit

[pallid bay]

?

who are you

[lofty depot]

Rekt

[cloud plover]

Puppy

[maiden pasture]

damn this oi guy has an ego for a white name....

[pseudo merlin]

are you tracking meld actually sune?

[pallid bay]

there's no ego in asking why this, to me, random person, is saying "fuck oi"

[scenic mist]

i dont think so

[cloud plover]

there is cuz you felt bothered enough by it to try and respond like that

[pseudo merlin]

damn

[cloud plover]

[maiden pasture]

im just memeing, idk whats going on

[pallid bay]

there isnt im asking why you're typing shit like that when i dont know who you are and u certainly dont know me

[cloud plover]

In common folk, this is called a may may

[maiden pasture]

interacts with iqni far too often to be taken seriously

[cloud plover]

or so they say

[royal zenith]

I was wondering when it would happen

[cloud plover]

it's okay the iqni interactions are over

[maiden pasture]

[stuck quartz]

Whats the diff between the 2 hero talents currently on ptr?

[scenic mist]

the name, for starters

[cloud plover]

one has trees one has moonlight

[pallid bay]

try to behave idk

[lucid olive]

the same differences as on live

[cloud plover]

only doms can say that to me

[stuck quartz]

Sorry I was too vague for you smarties - what is the performance % diff?

10-15% in raid?

[cloud plover]

nobody knows there's no Sims

nice try tho

[lucid olive]

there arent sims so nobody knows

[scenic mist]

no clue cause sims are not out yet

[pseudo merlin]

ask again in 3-,4 weeks

[cloud plover]

come back when it's live and tuning is done

[stuck quartz]

no sims but plenty of testing data?

[lofty depot]

No

[cloud plover]

testing data that's invalid since.. yesterday's nerfs

[pseudo merlin]

no testing data

almost none

[scenic mist]

surely you did a lot of testing during these 10hrs

[cloud plover]

yeah I always saw bumkin top of meters big testing data

[royal zenith]

Dont think the guy asked a weird question

Just answer normally

[scenic mist]

we did, by saying sims arent there yet

[cloud plover]

deux are u hiding sims that we can respond with

[pseudo merlin]

Idk my guy asked "what's the difference between the two hero talents"

what does that even mean

[royal zenith]

I think you are being annoying puppy

[pseudo merlin]

Why can't people bother to take like 3 seconds to ask a more answerable question

[stuck quartz]

I think you missed the follow up where I stated I lacked clarity

Good try though 🙂

[cloud plover]

not that "what's the performance difference" is much more answerable outside of "we don't know"

[pseudo merlin]

ST dmg? M+ performance? Tier set value? PVP viability?

Damage profile?

[scenic mist]

they said in raid tbf

[pseudo merlin]

Afterwards

[scenic mist]

but the "no sims available" still stands as a good answer

[pseudo merlin]

I'm talking about the initial question

[cloud plover]

yeah not hard to think if you're predisposed to disliking someone

[scenic mist]

yeah but they admitted the initial question was lacking

[cloud plover]

sort of, but they also went the mocking way with "you smarties"

[scenic mist]

true
unleash the hounds

[royal zenith]

You literally tagged me and iqni every day for some reason, predisposed

[cloud plover]

not again I've got ptsd from that dungeon

[pseudo merlin]

In a stupid cocky ass obnoxious way

[scenic mist]

dont tell me you didnt love it

[lucid olive]

KOTG probably better for raid for the same reason as in Season 2, better burst profile and less likely to get fucked by movement with constant 2 second Starfire casts

[cloud plover]

that was long after you disliked me

[royal zenith]

:’ )

[lucid olive]

As opposed to the completely normal and well articulated answers people in here give

[scenic mist]

this is just more words to say what you initially said tho

[pseudo merlin]

not everyone is arctic

[stuck quartz]

Thank you for providing an insightful answer 🙂

[lucid olive]

yeah why say few words when more do trick

[cloud plover]

🙏🏻 please make ec better

I'm still praying

[scenic mist]

[scenic mist]

#balance message you had it there

[cloud plover]

maybe he's never played booms before so he wouldn't know

[jade flume]

Man @royal zenith have u seen takopi

[cloud plover]

reroller pov

[jade flume]

Its a bangier

[royal zenith]

I have not

[stuck quartz]

Haven't played boomy in a year or two, looking at a few ranged options to flex for the raid team

[pseudo merlin]

play hunter

[royal zenith]

I will check it out

[pseudo merlin]

and mage or warlock

[stuck quartz]

Just trying to get some info to help get alts ready, not fotm chasing

[cloud plover]

no that's a melee

[lofty depot]

Flex to lock cuz kalamazi will get it buffed

[jade flume]

Flex bicep

[pseudo merlin]

you should only really play boomie because you really enjoy it

not when you have alternatives

[cloud plover]

flex mage, porom will rally until they're good

[pseudo merlin]

mages can't get banned I heard

[lofty depot]

U mean @ everyone til they're good

[pseudo merlin]

Their latest defensive makes them immune

[cloud plover]

yea that's a rally

[lofty depot]

Oh true

[cloud plover]

[lofty depot]

Warriors have rally, got confused

[royal zenith]

Pov you want to answer people with as little words as possible

[cloud plover]

warriors need a rally to god

[royal zenith]

Only to have a tangent

On why boomie sucks

That is wild

Ravec reversed logic

[cloud plover]

it's fun to complain about my spec sucking

[royal zenith]

Youre a spriest tho

[lucid olive]

i've never done that

[cloud plover]

I am whatever ends up more useful

bumkin mage or priest

[royal zenith]

Banned?

Oh

[cloud plover]

you wish

silly guy

[royal zenith]

Super silly

[stuck quartz]

woah can't say that, super demeaning smh

[lucid olive]

crazy that we went another PTR cycle where we try to get ourselves nerfed and succeed

and people will still say we sandbag

[royal zenith]

Yeah we’re terrible at sandbagging

[cloud plover]

the zorthas clip was the last straw

tbh

[lucid olive]

someone should make Max play moonkin so the anti chicken propaganda stops

[lofty depot]

Should go @ that dh player

[pseudo merlin]

What's the opposite of sandbagging?

[vale pebble]

new gen is terrible at sandbagging*

[royal zenith]

Watermaxxing

Trueee

[pseudo merlin]

what

[royal zenith]

You dont know?

Ohh

[pseudo merlin]

So resto shaman?

[cloud plover]

the opposite of sand is space

boomie still covers that

gg

[lucid olive]

i think they should remove eclipse and give it to the new space themed DH spec

[cloud plover]

remove wrath while at it

[pseudo merlin]

void eclipse man

[obsidian tapir]

yes pleaseee

[royal zenith]

Do NOT add that shit to my entropy

I will riot

[cloud plover]

this is blizzard not riot

[pseudo merlin]

voidman*

[dense gust]

cant believe they made a tier set that is useless single target and is only good for m+

[lucid olive]

First time?

[cloud plover]

they tend to do that

[meager storm]

Chat is there gonna be more raid testing

Surely they need to test these amazing changes they did to boomy

[warm briar]

“Best I can do is more nerfs”-Ion

[pseudo merlin]

4 set bonus should be "you now have access to RF"

change my mind

[nova ocean]

Can't wait for them to nerf our s2 tier set because our new one sucks

[celest narwhal]

I just want Orbital strike and Whrling stars. Is that too much to ask ):

[weak musk]

is the nerf really that bad?

[lucid olive]

its a pretty big nerf

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[outer wolf]

are the servers up

[pseudo merlin]

yes

im playing right now

[lucid olive]

why

its week 600 of the season

log off

[pseudo merlin]

practising feral

boomie is dead

also 2 more hours till destiny 2 xpac drops

so i got nothing else to do

[lofty depot]

Go stream a bunch of keys and then make an "Emergency, BOOMKIN NEEDS BUFFED" video

[rain hinge]

Does the nerf impact more raid then m+ ?

[lucid olive]

both

[lofty depot]

Impacts both

[shut trench]

happy that they changed the "based on hp" thinge

[lucid olive]

prob affects m+ most since EC likely the m+ spec now

[real flax]

the problem is our highest dmg is the tier.. they need to buff our base dmg

[lofty depot]

But don't u want the tier to be impactful

[shut trench]

i belive it will be buffed alittle bit where its actually decent and ppl would be taking boomy for st and prio dmg more than aoe

enough with braindead EC build pls been 2 seasons

[lofty depot]

See if they fix the funny 25x spell power thing first

[scenic mist]

i'd say it affects raid more as there is no real alternative to kotg

[real flax]

yeah but they nerfed it so

[real flax]

boomy better in st than aoe and people taking it for the funnel?

i don't think so

[lofty depot]

Well they were

[real flax]

prenerf yes

[shut trench]

i'd like this change for once

[nova ocean]

I don't know how the current version makes us good in st or funnel exactly it looks very weak in st

[real flax]

i tried arcane and looks so fun in both scenarios wish blizz change a little bit how the boomy st works 😦

[nova ocean]

New to dreamgrove?

[real flax]

nah

rejoined

[lofty depot]

[real flax]

[scenic mist]

was here before Dsune

[pseudo merlin]

a propos de moi

[lofty depot]

So true

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-gif-10031223162004539162

[celest narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-cotr-turtle-gif-24251592

[meager storm]

Eh

2set kinda beans

[wanton flare]

guys can anyone help me with argus achievement stardust crusaders?

[lofty depot]

Gonna need like 10 people

[meager storm]

why do we have a french on the pinned messages, this is worse than the nerfs themselves

[scenic mist]

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

Worse than the 2p too

[meager storm]

thats crazy

[wanton flare]

not rly just 3-4 to 5 tho

ive seen ppl done it alone with alts

[lofty depot]

Hm

[nova ocean]

2pc gotta be wat like .5% at best

[meager storm]

like 1.2% on st

[lucid olive]

2pc is probably beaten by ilvl

like you get 2pc from normal first week and then swap it out with m+ hero track gear

[meager storm]

raid testing when

[lofty depot]

U mean, I ain't taking tier unless it's heroic

Nt tho

[lofty depot]

Normal on weekend surely

[dry cairn]

How bad is this at 684

[lofty depot]

681 crafted is better

[dry cairn]

[ionic oak]

Just get 684 bis

[dry cairn]

This is an alt I hit 80 with last week and my vault is absolutely cheeks

I crafted a 681 staff already... so I am not trying to spend the crests on an offhand with so little time left in the season

I was hoping starfall would proc the brew trinket but the fact that you have to spend a global on it seems so trash

[lofty depot]

Correct

[dry cairn]

taking a socket on my second vault of the season on this character is a fat L

oh well, sucks to suck

[ionic oak]

It do be like that

[lofty depot]

Need sockets eventually

[dry cairn]

Sockets aren't an exciting upgrade though

Unless it is an item that comes with a socket

[cloud plover]

shoulda raided

[lofty depot]

Socket like 2% gain

Big numby

Our new 2p tierset isn't even that

[cloud plover]

🤓 👉🏻 how do you know if sims arent out??

[dry cairn]

I am trying to raid less than an hour every week

[lofty depot]

Cuz it spits at the target and does less bud

[cloud plover]

thats not good

[dry cairn]

vex -> mug -> gally gg see you next week

[lofty depot]

That's not 6 bosses

[dry cairn]

Correct

[cloud plover]

thats bad

[dry cairn]

My main doesn't need gear

[scenic mist]

astute observation

[cloud plover]

you talked about your alt not your main

[dry cairn]

Not trying to mythic raid on an alt I made a week ago

[cloud plover]

heroic is fine

for gearing

[dry cairn]

I don't need anything from heroic

[cloud plover]

well now thats a lie

unless you just randomly spawned with all the good items from raid

[cloud plover]

yea u defo need raid

[dry cairn]

enlighten me

[leaden birch]

what about jesus

[cloud plover]

that too

idk what the fuck this ui is but its horrendous

[dry cairn]

Can you see the gear?

[cloud plover]

barely

[leaden birch]

TOXIU

[dry cairn]

Yeah, it literally says what it is in the corner

[ionic oak]

Doesnt wanna put in time for better gear
Complains they dont have better gear

You a druid for reals
Welcome fam

[cloud plover]

staff hello

<@&114146878353833984> is this the right ping

probably

[dry cairn]

There is nothing that I could get from heroic that would be an upgrade

[cloud plover]

skardyn -> jug
gilded crests
higher ilvl items
better neck not this creature

as your ui is shit i cant tell what items are hero track or not but still

[dry cairn]

So

how many of those items would be an upgrade over crafted 681 pieces

and just getting all 12s to buy myth track trinkets

[cloud plover]

plenty

you dont really wanna use ur dinars on m+ shit if u have any shot at doing raid

[dry cairn]

But I am not going to have a shot at mythic raiding on my moonkin

[cloud plover]

and since ur main is doing it u go "plz alt one week ty"

and they go "ok sure babes its okay"

[lofty depot]

U could

[cloud plover]

u could also take the based route and just buy it with a little bit of gold

[dry cairn]

I could

[scenic mist]

selling in game services ?

[cloud plover]

its okay if its gold..

[scenic mist]

i'm telling dad

[boreal knot]

Yeah Petko is one of the better players in the game he knows his classes. He was performing good on bookin when I was watching him, I would conclude that we can rely on his takes

[cloud plover]

🤓 its not an advertisement its just a reminder

🤓

[scenic mist]

based

[dry cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cM8TwrYzqv8XxrrCF6JKf8

[cloud plover]

i kneel before u oh gear compare chad

no shit everything 10 ilvls up is gonna win

[cloud plover]

yes

plenty not everything

[dry cairn]

You are contradicting yourself

[cloud plover]

you just sent

a full complete thing

ur just being silly for the argument

[pseudo merlin]

dont sim gear compare

useless

[sharp valve]

Guys, GG elvui for 11.2?

[cloud plover]

wat

[pseudo merlin]

what does that even mean

[scenic mist]

missing a verb

[lofty depot]

It's gg for 12.0

[scenic mist]

is it tho ?

[cloud plover]

who knows if its even gg for 11.2

[scenic mist]

they said no more support ?

[cloud plover]

eventually
doubtful that it happens for 12.0

[lofty depot]

Blizzard gonna kill all the add-ons so u all have to go to default

[pseudo merlin]

elvui sucks anyway

[lucid olive]

elvui bis

[pseudo merlin]

what do you even need it for

to make things grey?

crazy

[lucid olive]

yes

grey bis

[cloud plover]

i killed my elvui when bandit prog started

too much lag on that shii

[lucid olive]

user error

[lofty depot]

Computer issue

[cloud plover]

computer good

[lofty depot]

Clearly not

[cloud plover]

very good even

best computer in world

tbh

[lucid olive]

lots of people with very unoptimized elvui profiles blaming the addon

[scenic mist]

issue might be between the chair and the screen

[cloud plover]

what did my keyboard do

[scenic mist]

[dry cairn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vA6UcEhhNtzYSDibeXzLh8 I guess I retract my previous statement. Mug jug and bracers are worth it

eh, actually bracers are within moe

[ebon plover]

Chat are we back or is it over

[lucid olive]

we're back to being bad

[ebon plover]

what’d they nuke

[cloud plover]

boomkin is doing well as a tank

[scenic mist]

pin

[ebon plover]

Oh god

It’s actually joever

I’m going to have to main warlock in 11.2

[scenic mist]

demo looks strong

it might be my destiny too

[ebon plover]

people were saying aff is back

[cloud plover]

watching nao do halls of atonement and the last demo he had did tank dps??

[lucid olive]

they say that every patch and then demo/destro gets played

[ebon plover]

True tbh

[scenic mist]

mayhem is just too strong a spell

[ebon plover]

my pool is Druid, sham, evoker, or lock

So idk I’m undecided

[lofty depot]

At least 50% of those are viable 🙂

[cloud plover]

shadow, mage, druid

[scenic mist]

counting cla&sses or specs ?

[lofty depot]

Classes

Didn't say any specs, duh

[ebon plover]

I think shaman will always be good/viable

[scenic mist]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[ebon plover]

It got hero doe

[cloud plover]

hero means nothing if its tuned bad and other specs have hero

[sour spindle]

“You’ll always have 1 in the raid” =/= good

[scenic mist]

someone is stuck in tbc i can see

[ebon plover]

That’s why I play warlock lmao

Job security init

[scenic mist]

i'll get u

[scenic mist]

true that

[cloud plover]

job security = im never inviting u for m+

dogshit class

[scenic mist]

who cares about m+ tho

as long as you can pump in raid

[formal crest]

mastery buff

[lofty depot]

"hero" like u don't always bring a mage

Mastery buff is what u bring buddy

[lofty depot]

And too many enh exist

[formal crest]

resto sham = mastery buff provider

[smoky jackal]

Enhance is designed exceptionally well

Not surprising they have such a big fanbase

The enhance dev has been hitting bangers since df dropped

[final grotto]

Pretty sure 2x more people do m+ than raid

[lofty depot]

Source?

[formal crest]

source: bald head

[smoky jackal]

You don't need a source

[scenic mist]

you gotta do m+ to raid efficiently, doesnt mean you care or like it

[lofty depot]

Should - the people that are required to do m+ to raid the first 2 months

[smoky jackal]

Mythic plus directly funnels to raiding. It's part of the raid gear progression. Of course it has more players

[meager storm]

🤔

[smoky jackal]

It's also way more accessible than raiding so casuals will devote time to pushing keys when they can't commit to a raid schedule

[lofty depot]

Casuals ain't pushin

[scenic mist]

pushin 12s

[lofty depot]

Casuals are farming mounts

[scenic mist]

still pushin

[smoky jackal]

Your version of pushing is different than someone else's

[scenic mist]

farming 2k5 io mount

[royal zenith]

your version of raiding is also diffy

wdym

[final grotto]

Yeah I’ve noticed everyone has their own definition of pushing lol it’s so dumb to say it

[royal zenith]

imma do some classic raids for transmogs brb

[smoky jackal]

Your raid team is showing up to raid without running any outside content for gear?

[royal zenith]

it's just a non-argument

holds no value

show some statistics and numbers

[lofty depot]

Some of my raiders do do that

[smoky jackal]

Mythic plus is instrically linked to raid gear progression, it's not an argument that holds no value, it is the way the game is designed

[lofty depot]

I don't consider 12 pushing

[scenic mist]

they arent your property

[lofty depot]

What do we consider pushing

[smoky jackal]

Too broad

[royal zenith]

I'd say m+ pushing is linked to raid gear

[lofty depot]

I'm trying to narrow it

[royal zenith]

else they wouldn't go wild over dinar

[smoky jackal]

Everyone has their own definition

[lofty depot]

That's why I'm asking

[scenic mist]

having any kind of io or completion objective

[final grotto]

For people who play the game casually and don’t spend 5 hours a day playing, 12s are pushing for a lot of the player base lol

[smoky jackal]

I think pushing for score with 0 incentive like mount or gear is pushing

[scenic mist]

so going for full 12s is pushing imo

[lofty depot]

Ok, so that's keen to pugging heroic which is fine for casuals

And first 4 mythic maybe later

[final grotto]

Yeah it’s all subjective

[scenic mist]

Arctic has true sight tho

[lofty depot]

I did watch it again last night

[lofty depot]

Goated content

[formal crest]

?

[scenic mist]

debating the take ?

oh missing an r

fixed

[formal crest]

hairless

[scenic mist]

i'm soon to be, yes

[lofty depot]

i cant tell if calling someone hairless or bald is worse

holyyyyyyyyyyyy

[real flax]

[warped stratus]

Balance Will not be able to do all 12s 😭

[real flax]

not even the 10s

reroll

[sullen grove]

hey guys! is our flight form as fast as our flying mounts when it comes to regular flying and dragonriding?

[icy coral]

What haha, are we gutted now

[scenic mist]

yes

[icy coral]

Yes

[pseudo merlin]

yes

[scenic mist]

we are, but obviously not to the (unrealistic) point to being unable to clear 12s

[sullen grove]

do I need to do anything for it to become as fast as a mount? or is it already good

[lofty depot]

read the pin

[scenic mist]

already good

fly little bird

[sullen grove]

thank you!!

[lucid olive]

i just topped meters in a 14 on ptr

(the others had no hands)

[formal crest]

Nope

[lucid olive]

(hands not required to time 14s)

[scenic mist]

this is the homer simpson meme

[lofty depot]

until they tune them in 2 weeks

i just submitted a banger of a bug report

surely that gets fixed with the "this spec needs jesus" at the end of it

[warped stratus]

No, they nerfed it too 😭

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkey-bike-monkey-drive-monkey-ride-away-monkey-run-away-gif-6134122702598283748

I’m going to blizzard headquarters to fuck them all

[lofty depot]

👀

can he say that?

[warped stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-cat-cat-standing-surprised-cat-eemesh-cat-meme-gif-17752709849335578584

[warped stratus]

I think I can 😳

[scenic mist]

ping thyme and ask him

[lofty depot]

thymes always watching

[lucid olive]

bottom right

[plucky valley]

^

He looks like a coffee bean maybe that’s the point

[drifting nova]

only just realised I had no idea what a coffee bean looked like

[limber sleet]

can someone explain pls, i don't understand the change :/

[scenic mist]

pin

[lucid olive]

pins

[manic yarrow]

🐦 ☠️

[eager raft]

the manaforge omega 2 set bonus is now capped at 50 times base spell power

[limber sleet]

thk

[lucid olive]

(they lied)

[lofty depot]

It's actually the 4p

[eager raft]

np

[lofty depot]

And is actually 25

[eager raft]

🦜

[scenic mist]

and it's 1/5th of the changes

[fathom nebula]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=6&type=damage-done&pull=1&source=1 (Big damg)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=1&pull=1 (small damg)

Im confused on why I did so much DPS on one pull compared to the other one, same pull (First pull in Floodgate).
On the second CD usage on the first one i peaked at like 100mil DPS (for that second, not for the pull overall) and i cant figure out why

First key in a month or so (and we didnt even finish 😄 ) so not sure if im rusty and messed something up

[limber sleet]

shroum proc

[fathom nebula]

Shroom procced more yeah but everything did more damage

[digital swan]

shroom procs give you waning twilight uptime also

[fathom nebula]

Well starfall

oh

twilight

did not think about that

nah, no shot i didnt have twilight up on that pull the entire time

[limber sleet]

the diff is insane

[fathom nebula]

That gap is without CDs tho, actually the big difference is on second CD usage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=6&type=damage-done&pull=1&source=1&start=4803162&end=4837342
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=1&pull=1&start=5907004&end=5945536

My starfire hit for more?

The Starfire difference is insane

[digital swan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=6&type=auras&pull=1&hostility=1&spells=debuffs&ability=393957
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bq8vymrZgbfwMA21?fight=7&type=auras&pull=1&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&ability=393957
ye waning uptime looks like its pretty close but there are like 15 surveyors so if you miss 15seconds uptime on those you lose alot

you also had like 10-15% less crit on the 2nd one, mostly because youre moxie frenze uptime is like 1/3

maybe theres more but those are the big ones i think

[fathom nebula]

I noticed the crit and Moxie uptime too but didnt think that was enough

I guess just.. RNG?

[digital swan]

yea

[pallid bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953401850470735883/1378850759155646564/catto.gif

[lucid olive]

petk

[analog star]

Any build I could borrow to test M+ ?

For some reason I can't pull shit from PTR logs

[scenic mist]

you can play current EC build

or try this for kotg ( )

CYGAkuH5GdQpDrgY32rlVGnyqBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALUmtmxYmBYWMLzMzCDDmlZWmZWmZmZGziZZMjZYDLAYAW2GLYamZZUAAIA2MzYA2MMG

[analog star]

Thank you!

[scenic mist]

but it's ptr, feel free to tweak around

[analog star]

Will do, I just wanted like a baseline as to what most people are playing. Thanks

[bronze quail]

Did KOTG die for M+ with the latest tuning?

[lucid olive]

you do tank damage outside of CDs so its not very good no

if its dead or not who knows

EC is pretty bad too

[ionic oak]

Believe in blizzard.

They always fix issues

[strange trench]

Good one

[warped stratus]

Blizz don’t deserve my sub

[lofty depot]

Tettles explains boomkin damage a day late. Time to re-record the bench.

[violet hazel]

how is boomkin looking for m+ next season?

[lofty depot]

Well it got bugged nerfed and it largely doesn't matter til 4+ months from now

But can ask again when patch releases

[lucid olive]

i think you can firmly and confidently say its somewhere in the top 28 dps specs

[lofty depot]

How many specs are there

[lucid olive]

26 dps specs

[sudden pawn]

balance druid is the 4th best damage spec for druid

its literally over

[sage osprey]

Hey, can someone help me out with a question? I can pick 2 more items from the Cartel Ship, but I’m a bit confused. I saw that most people used to go with Best-in-Slot, Mug, Jastor, and House of Cards, but now I’m seeing a lot of folks running Best-in-Slot, Mug, Jastor, and Kezan instead. Since I can only pick 2 more items, which ones do you guys recommend? I’m playing Balance btw.

[sudden pawn]

ur guilds wont get world first anymore if u play balance druid

[lucid olive]

House of Cards over Kezan

[lofty depot]

BIS assumes ur picking mythic items

If ur not doing that, then heroic is likely hoc and jug

[sage osprey]

hc itens

[orchid ember]

Then you have your answer

[lofty depot]

Ok, so bis isn't picked

[lucid olive]

dont take best in slots if its heroic items

[lofty depot]

Then u pick hoc and jug likely

Feel free to sim it

[sage osprey]

I came back to the game 2 weeks ago, so I don’t have access to mythics yet.

[bronze quail]

Idk if my brain isnt braining, but are we doing more dmg with Starfire and procs over single Starsurge casts as EC???

[lucid olive]

yes

[lofty depot]

EC Starfire go br

[lucid olive]

if you include the 2pc procs then Starfire does like 50-60% of your dam

[bronze quail]

So what the fuck are we spending on, starfall??

[lucid olive]

but you can't proc the 2pc without spending AP so you still spend AP

well Starfall does 0 dps as well so

[nova ocean]

Insane this spec hasnt been reworked yet lol

[bronze quail]

I can still reroll sp I guess. Go from one doomed spec to another?

[lofty depot]

Spr never doomed

Gets rework every patch and does damage

[bronze quail]

I guess thats a decent take. I just did gambit and while dmg was lookin okayish, it just felt reeally bad pressing starsurge on ST

[lofty depot]

Well they haven't done a huge tuning pass to classes.

They keep changing sets and moving damage

[bronze quail]

Yea we can cope I guess

[lofty depot]

No cope, we pray

[bronze quail]

That too

[wicked shuttle]

Doubt it matters too much. If you’re gonna reroll can just reroll later

[pallid bay]

toodles

would you say that you're a contributing factor to why we got nerfed so much

https://tenor.com/view/deer-gif-22652112

[wicked shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[pallid bay]

ive got some aces up my sleeve though

[lofty depot]

He was recording video and literally while recording we got nerfed.... It's no coincidence

[pallid bay]

can't share them, you'll just get them fixed

[wicked shuttle]

🤐

[barren carbon]

Fellow chickens, the time to sandbag is now, and it has never been more important

[lofty depot]

"tettles this season looks like an absolute banger", said after being gutted

[pallid bay]

you can talk more about the dryads surges doing nothing

[lofty depot]

😭

[wicked shuttle]

Deal

[pallid bay]

unironically doing 100k per surge

[loud kettle]

The best time to start sandbagging was as soon as patch dropped, the next best time is now

[wicked shuttle]

No need to sandbag now

[lofty depot]

Can't sandbag any harder than tank dam

They'll catch on

[tame dome]

what does sandbag mean

[ionic oak]

Tettles is right. Its too late to sandbag

[barren carbon]

Play poorly on purpose

[lucid olive]

imagine you're in a 5 mile foot race

but you decided to wear bags of sand

to make yourself slower

[tame dome]

ooooh

[ionic oak]

Genius

[tame dome]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonball-weights-weighted-weighted-gear-goku-gif-12959491

[barren carbon]

100%

[lucid olive]

yeah we should start calling it goku sweatbanding instead

[ionic oak]

Picolo garb

[mighty garden]

Is the nerf really that big? (At least for raiding on Heroic and 10m+)

[ionic oak]

Or whatever

[wicked shuttle]

Absolutely. Was like a 40% nerf or something

LOL

[lofty depot]

The nerf is big regardless of content

[ionic oak]

Napkin math?

[wicked shuttle]

(Made up numbers)

[lofty depot]

Well + 50% cuz the splash got nerfed too

[ionic oak]

Napkin math

[lofty depot]

So is 90% nerf

[barren carbon]

Show napkin, tettles

[mighty garden]

sad

[loud kettle]

Sometimes I make up numbers and say I did math

[wicked shuttle]

Idk I did PTR keys and my damage seemingly was cut in half

[tame dome]

uh oh :S

[nova ocean]

They had like 10 ways to nerf our tier and blizzard looked at them and said yes

[maiden pasture]

[lofty depot]

Yea but u were still laughing, which means u were having fun

So we're fine clearly

[nova ocean]

I would rather use s2 tier than this shit

[barren carbon]

Clearly

[wicked shuttle]

Vibes based anyways

[barren carbon]

When do we start dooming and tell people to run 2pc+2pc

Surely they'll buff it if we do that

[maiden pasture]

2pc is ass 😭

[nova ocean]

New 2pc is bad

[barren carbon]

It's all ass

[nova ocean]

It's old 2pc mythic gear

[lofty depot]

It's 4 weeks away from new raid and there's tuning still sooooo idk why u would say that

But currently it do be shit