balance

[vital hound]

launder gold

[lofty depot]

blud said think hide

[scenic mist]

Yeah the gamz finger one is definitely up there

[worldly spruce]

ursine vigor... bro thinks we binded bear form 😹

[vital hound]

and gear raider

that is all

[zenith marsh]

barkskin is one of the better defensives these days

[vital hound]

yea thats bait

[lofty depot]

what

[vital hound]

get him outta here

[lyric kettle]

xd ?

[zenith marsh]

well that is what shows a good and a bad boomkin 😄

[lofty depot]

my mage has 4 better defenesives and i dont even use them

[delicate perch]

one of the better defensive options (that boomkin has)

[lofty depot]

ur trolling

[delicate perch]

fixed it

[meager storm]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorp-cart-glorp-cat-cat-cat-meme-gif-14376481127345647087

[worldly spruce]

we are all bad here sorry to disappoint you

[zenith marsh]

nah not all.. there are some decent players

[scenic mist]

Best I can do is decent

[zenith marsh]

but most of the players that are typing here are the shitter ones.. sure gamz

but the rest

[meager storm]

wait i think i know what happened

[lofty depot]

blud is a top 450 dh, respect his opinon

[scenic mist]

He couldn’t get into his Austrian art school is what happened

[lofty depot]

oops sorry

450

[zenith marsh]

ye and could you imagine if i played boomy i would be top 50 without knowing what to do

[worldly spruce]

would like to see it

[cloud citrus]

lol

[lofty depot]

try it out

[scenic mist]

[cloud citrus]

you got this sadstory show them ur stuff

[zenith marsh]

again you clowns have to stop acting as boomkin is hard to play 😄

[loud kettle]

it doesnt matter how hard the spec is

[lofty depot]

i didnt say it was hard

[loud kettle]

You gotta beat the other people playing that same spec

[lofty depot]

but melee players are monkeys

[errant flint]

Ya'll are eating this bait like rats

[lofty depot]

im bored

[errant flint]

OK fair carry on

[sick cargo]

its also kinda just sad

[zenith marsh]

if i remember correctly you were bullied here before for being a shitty player.. and one of the clown ppl

[cloud citrus]

ye im eating food so i have time

[lofty depot]

im bullied for lots of things

[vital hound]

whats for lunch

[lyric kettle]

u cant even get top 50 of the class ur currently playing though?

[lofty depot]

elk

[zenith marsh]

ye but that isnt hard when there are not many ppl playing it

[cloud citrus]

soy sauced chicken fillets with pasta and veggies

[vital hound]

what

[lofty depot]

but i rank good enough to be labeled not shitter

so nt

[vital hound]

what rank is not shit

[delicate perch]

1

[cloud citrus]

Its on the same level as ret who are bother the most played specs BY FAR

[lofty depot]

better than him

[teal sphinx]

It's really good. Come NA I cook for you

[scenic mist]

#1

[loud kettle]

Boomkin is one of the most populous specs

[sick cargo]

boomkin the spec historically no one plays so true

[teal sphinx]

69

[worldly spruce]

thanks god i'm not a shitter 🙏

[meager storm]

most played spec atm

besides ret

[vital hound]

bless

[scenic mist]

He can’t read, stop showing logs

[sick cargo]

im a shitter i just think this guy is funny\

[manic plume]

people really like pressing starfall huh

[worldly spruce]

this guy hella funny

[vital hound]

send image of cooked elk

[lofty depot]

just gotta delete the first 4 bosses and see the parses

[loud kettle]

Click parses column to order by #parses

[lofty depot]

gally kills

[manic plume]

styx was the only thing that gave enough dopamine to make it through the raid

[vital hound]

fake news

playing sprocket well

is insane good feel

[worldly spruce]

while its by far the worst boss to ever exist

[lofty depot]

this

[cloud citrus]

i thought sproken was really fun as a chicken

everything just lined up really well for the entire fight

[ionic surge]

put some respect on my name

[worldly spruce]

agree sproket isa really good boss

[vital hound]

best of the expac so far

[lucid olive]

miss u

[vital hound]

maybe kyveza

[pseudo merlin]

[ionic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-world-of-warcraft-login-loginwow-login-meme-gif-12215928468343350012

[lofty depot]

mike is playing the real game

[manic plume]

bloons td?

[ionic surge]

getting ghosted by my boss's daughter apparently is the real game

[lofty depot]

thats crazy

[ionic surge]

listen, in this economy, you gotta secure your raise one way or another

[little latch]

wtf does this even mean

[meager storm]

so

[cloud plover]

it means u dont bearform

tldr ez

[lofty depot]

+- a few

[meager storm]

not even 4 mil after ending 3 min ramp

[cloud plover]

are we still assuming the 'base' is fake

[lofty depot]

well its not 850k cap

soooooo

[cloud plover]

arcope!!

[meager storm]

and the breakdown still looks like this

[errant flint]

well now nothing is going to raise

[vital hound]

whats new funny cirt number

[real flax]

so atm we just wait ptr

[meager storm]

less than the weapon proc

[lofty depot]

55%
blizzard right now "woo we fixed it"

[cloud plover]

anyway
move on to cool games
like shape of dreams
it has a starfall ability

[meager storm]

i had a 65 mil earlier

[lofty depot]

well ptr is up

[real flax]

oh didn't know

[vital hound]

so we can overreact

and say 50% nerf?

[outer hazel]

can some1 tell how a 1.30 trinket is lining up witha 1.7 min cd?

[vital hound]

[meager storm]

more than 50%

[outer hazel]

i doesnt seem to fit

[cloud plover]

the 1.7 min cd has 2 charges

[lofty depot]

u hold it

[cloud plover]

think about it

[vital hound]

wtf were you criting

before

[real flax]

well..

[lofty depot]

or u send double on use

[meager storm]

180 mil

[vital hound]

what

the fuck

[pseudo merlin]

can you break it down for me

[ionic surge]

its ok i got a raise regardless

[cloud plover]

i'll break you down

[meager storm]

without bear stuff like 140 mil

[pseudo merlin]

[meager storm]

so way more than 50%

[cloud plover]

[pseudo merlin]

MY dog called I have to go

[cloud plover]

wtf 90% nerf??? bumkin tank dps???

[manic plume]

yes

[vital hound]

fucking hell

time to learn feral

[cloud plover]

i go reroll shadopan priest

[hollow mist]

no

[pseudo merlin]

what if midnight drops another hero spec

[real flax]

i wanna overreact too

[pseudo merlin]

An'she's Chosen

[errant flint]

yaaay and you didnt have to get ghosted again

[outer hazel]

i understand but holding it feels pretty weird so i asked just to make sure i do it right

[lofty depot]

depends what can be used

u always want an on use for ur cds

in raid its a little easier in m+ u just run off of looking at either on use and using if 1 will line up

[outer hazel]

thanks

[cloud plover]

Okay Lakechurchington

[hollow mist]

church..?

[hidden dust]

Hey all, resident Hunter here but also a raid leader. How’s your dmg looking after the change?

[cloud plover]

idk what ur name was

[worldly spruce]

no idea

[hidden dust]

I’d it’s been calculated 🫡

[cloud plover]

look for the chicken down with the healers

[vital hound]

we will potentially outdps some tanks

[cloud plover]

highroll crits for that

[hidden dust]

Hey that’s pretty good

[worldly spruce]

a win is a win

[errant flint]

nerfy nerfs for BM very expected. Nice buffs to MM.

[vital hound]

your profile picture is a pretty good representation

[elder remnant]

Time to @ everyone in class discord… worked for DK and worked for Mages

[lofty depot]

norri still banned didnt work for mages

[elder remnant]

You’re up @wicked shuttle

[lofty depot]

hes streaming

[elder remnant]

Not true ?

Wait what

[lofty depot]

and getting trolled

[pseudo merlin]

What are we taggin for

[vital hound]

@mighty mica can this be a sticker

[manic plume]

lmfao he's beating the tank at least

[pseudo merlin]

Norri went from perma to 18 months Rae

[cloud plover]

fake news

[sour gale]

Balance dead now? Damn

[cloud plover]

are u guys just a few hours behind

[pseudo merlin]

WAit norri is free?

[elder remnant]

Then what is this

[lofty depot]

o wow poggy

[pseudo merlin]

holy

[pseudo merlin]

that's huge

[cloud plover]

norri has been free hours ago

lmao

[elder remnant]

Yeah you apes

Get on my level of grass avoidance

[lofty depot]

yea who goes into mage discord unless pinged

[pseudo merlin]

If we can get Norri unbanned we can probably get CSH and Sakura unbanned too no?

[cloud plover]

yo not the apes

[lofty depot]

i aint lookin at that shit

[cloud plover]

I was told about it in priest cord

[mighty mica]

csh isn't banned, and never

[elder remnant]

That’s concerning

[pseudo merlin]

Wait he's not?

[elder remnant]

Unban turtle

[pseudo merlin]

the fuck

[elder remnant]

And paper

Make this a month to remember before we’re dead

[pseudo merlin]

Paper is banned?

shit

Why aren't we allowed to have fun

Rae and Kekkers are still here...

[manic plume]

paper got banned ? lel

[lofty depot]

paper could just be on an extended thymeout

who knows

[elder remnant]

Yo wtf???

[lofty depot]

thyme knows

[elder remnant]

Bring back paper please I need a new season of DG survivor

[vital hound]

paper ban net gain

[pseudo merlin]

ya we need paper back

[lofty depot]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[cloud plover]

Hello Dreamgrove Balance Druids, we have terrible news today. Balance Druid has been overnerfed again, for just playing the game. We just pressed Starsurge! This happened over the last few PTR tests and now we've been nerfed into the ground for no reason. Balance Druids do so much for this community and we're not asking for much, are we? I hope we can all give back here by appealing to Blizzard to get this nerf reverted.

[elder remnant]

There’s your @ everyone post

[cloud plover]

What can we do? To be explicitly clear, I am hoping folks can leverage our power by using public feedback discourse - forums, twitter, etc., to lobby Blizzard to right this wrong.

Why should we do this? How motivated would you be to support our beloved, dumb chickens? We do this because we want our Balance Druids to keep dying so we can look better. I also find it incredibly difficult to believe Balance Druid would ever become meta with anything like this.

[lyric quarry]

Boomkin spreading misinfo like usual

[elder remnant]

We have spent so many tiers being respectful with our forum posts and where has it gotten us? Kicked in the dirt by Blizzard devs. Over and over. We can’t keep taking this clearly targeted abuse!!! I say we need to start a revolution starting right here in Dreamgrove!!!! Revolt my chickens!!! The tier of the Moonkin must NOT be stopped!!!!!

[pseudo merlin]

Real talk, what the fuck do I do here

Are they baiting

That's not a motorcycle

Or are they stupid and they think it is

[mighty mica]

no, just you are

[pseudo merlin]

I AM WHAT?

That's a scooter, a moped

Not a motorcycle

[elder remnant]

You know those things aren’t meant to capture if you complete it perfectly right?

[lyric quarry]

Smartest boomkin player

[mighty mica]

clearly can't complete a captcha, bot spotted

fucking clanker

[pseudo merlin]

[elder remnant]

It records mouse movement and time spent “thinking” pretty much

[hollow mist]

i cant complete them either

[pseudo merlin]

IVE DONE 12

12 FUCKING PICTURES

[elder remnant]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[delicate perch]

???????????????

[pseudo merlin]

What if this is just a bait website

[hollow mist]

ok wow

[elder remnant]

Give up you’re a bot

[lament sigil]

Ravec….

[pseudo merlin]

They're just trying to have you endlessly solve capchas

[meager storm]

hard r is crazy

[pseudo merlin]

Till you lose it or give up

Also

If 1 square has like 0.1inches of the object

does it still count

??????

[mighty mica]

yes

[hollow mist]

ur thinking too hard

[pseudo merlin]

'

THIS IS NOT A MOTORCYCLE

[hollow mist]

just send it bro

[pseudo merlin]

I pressed skip instantly

and it made me do another one

This is NOT a plural bicycle

[mighty mica]

you're thinking so much it's making you stupid

[pseudo merlin]

Does it count???

There's 1 bicycle

[hollow mist]

[pseudo merlin]

I guess I am a robot

Fuck.

Is the pole part of the traffic light?

[errant flint]

[lofty depot]

is the stripper part of the pole?

[mighty mica]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[pseudo merlin]

The stripper is not attached to the pole nor dependant on the pole for sustenance

[lofty depot]

[leaden birch]

So we're officially balanced on ptr right?

[hollow mist]

i sure could

[lofty depot]

like algalon wanted, re-balanced

[shrewd pivot]

We’re on the upper end of tank specializations so it’s not bad

[cloud plover]

help im stuck

[lofty depot]

take a picture of urself and submit

[hollow mist]

LOL

[pseudo merlin]

Dude I've done 29 pictures now

[hollow mist]

small dog moment

[pseudo merlin]

It's never ending

[cloud plover]

wait i thought we were talking about me, not you

[pseudo merlin]

Naah why are you getting the easy ones

[hollow mist]

I am not a small dog!

[lofty depot]

i was gonna say something unhinged

[mighty mica]

have you ever thought about switching up methods, it does track mouse movements so if yours is too predictable it'll just send you another

[hollow mist]

do it

[cloud plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295834495295160372/1335633330108108931/katze_bouncy.gif

[pseudo merlin]

Nah Thyme is baiting me

[rare sedge]

is this a nerf? sadgers?

[pseudo merlin]

You want me to wildly flail my mouse around or

[mighty mica]

i'm 100%

[cloud plover]

ravec

[lofty depot]

maybe in cyon cord

but u left

[cloud plover]

why did u ruin it

[hollow mist]

weak

[lofty depot]

this isnt really a nerf

like it is

[mighty mica]

keep thinking that babes

[lofty depot]

but its not the reason

[cloud plover]

look at the other nerf

[hollow mist]

kissingboys.jpg

[cloud plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036854524876439574/1381538309318115388/98AG8rZ.gif

[calm ibex]

That’s gay

[mighty mica]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/703162236721561652/1125903314920419358/sqdf.gif

[cloud plover]

time to make out

[hollow mist]

it wouldnt even be hard

[mighty mica]

suuure

[hollow mist]

i know all ur weak spots

[lofty depot]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-hurt-me-im-too-weak-weak-please-gif-15366451

[hollow mist]

pretty straight for me at least..

[elder remnant]

Hi Lake

[calm ibex]

Bet

[mighty mica]

fascinating, i don't even know

[calm ibex]

Not mine!

[elder remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hey-flirt-shy-gif-14079673798810065448

[cloud plover]

i cant post the gif i'd post

[hollow mist]

hi rae c:

[cloud plover]

too risky..

[elder remnant]

Love u xoxo

[calm ibex]

Dm it I’m curious lmao

[hollow mist]

love u more xoxo

[hollow mist]

i wouldnt press them becuz i care abt you as a person

[hollow mist]

oh so we're just lying now huh

[cloud plover]

this is the exact opposite of what a boomkin said to me recently

:(

[hollow mist]

kinda ur fault for deciding to interact with a boomkin

[calm ibex]

I’m just calling ur bluff

[cloud plover]

i'm not a chicken so i interact

[calm ibex]

Lmao

[hollow mist]

[hollow mist]

yea me either im a cool dragon now

[calm ibex]

[mighty mica]

wouldn't but you could, fascinating

[hollow mist]

i am very fascinating this is true

[hollow mist]

it will b okay darling no sad

[pseudo merlin]

nope

You gotta pick one.

It's one or the other. Are you cool or are you a dragon?

[cloud plover]

cool, dragon or do you have a good name?

lake can only pick one of those 3

[lofty depot]

Lakerzard
Lakerawr

[cloud plover]

corner

[leaden birch]

is there a % yet for the nerf, I'm hearing BM got slapped with 15-20%

i wonder if boomkin is worse

[lofty depot]

we didnt have sims before so theres not a real way to give u a number

but 5% to 3% is a 40%

so go with that

[leaden birch]

I'm even more confused now

[lofty depot]

oh dont forget teh splash nerf

which was from 20% to 10%

so thats 50% nerf

we got nerfed 90%

[leaden birch]

lmao

[loud kettle]

The math checks out

50+40=90

[cloud plover]

Real

[lofty depot]

it used to be 5% of your total damage capped to 50% of ur hp

[cloud plover]

Imagine simming PTR instead of sandbagging ur true power (EC)

[lofty depot]

its not 3% capped to 50x ur spell power

[cloud plover]

now* 🤓

[lofty depot]

also its not base spellpower, can use araz at the end

[shrewd pivot]

And the aoe is reduced

[leaden birch]

whats 50x of our spell power LOL

[shrewd pivot]

Duration reduced

[cloud plover]

take ur int

*50 it

[shrewd pivot]

Quite literally gutted

[lofty depot]

128,057 x 50

[leaden birch]

oh

[polar frost]

how big was nerf today?

[lofty depot]

but also, is bugged

[cloud plover]

90%

[lofty depot]

so shrug

[cloud plover]

enjoy

[midnight holly]

100%

[leaden birch]

I mean, that maths to 6m+

[lofty depot]

yea but thats not the current cap

so will revisit :/

[meager storm]

they did bad math

[lofty depot]

they forgot to delete the /2

[leaden birch]

[lofty depot]

100% of hp /2

50x of spell power /2

[rich jewel]

Boomy dead?

[shrewd pivot]

So it’s intended to be even weaker than it is now or am I misreading

[lofty depot]

but isntead put 50% of spell power /2

[lofty depot]

idk blue writer wrong, dev wrong

who knows

[rich jewel]

Who knows? The downfall of dg

[plucky valley]

Gg

There’s no coming back from this one

[lofty depot]

fluup not playing boomkin so we suck

wcyd

[shrewd pivot]

Isn’t he stuck in literal hell

Playing sc aug

[exotic storm]

is base spellpower all you have on your gear? Base used to mean before gear lol

[lofty depot]

its what u have on

u can use araz at the end of hte buff aswell

so assume aug works

[exotic storm]

I think it's a good change cause it doesn't feel good to constantly hold Starsurge.

[lofty depot]

the duration was the reason u were doing that

and theres still some techy shit u might do with that

[exotic storm]

change it til it doesn't feel unintuitive! 😄

[cursive mirage]

@lucid olive get your pen back out

[lofty depot]

used to press starfall for stellar drift and weaver

[craggy sonnet]

so how often do you reckon people are gonna whiff the 2nd surge still inside CA

[lofty depot]

its like the tiniest problem

[lofty depot]

the same amount of people are gonna use trees too early in ca

[craggy sonnet]

but like isnt this kinda trash design?

couldnt they just go with 8s dryad duration and leave it at 5%?

or something

havent tested shit tho

[lofty depot]

well outside of the cap being fucked,

[craggy sonnet]

so maybe its fine

[lofty depot]

3% means u need to do 233m in 10 seconds

if the cap was 7m

5% was 140m

but if its 4m cap is 133m at 3%

[craggy sonnet]

what are you telling me

[lofty depot]

ight i cba

have fun resto kekkers

[craggy sonnet]

huh?

[cursive mirage]

“Resto Kekkers” is very discord brained

[craggy sonnet]

idk why you crashing out on me for not understanding

[lofty depot]

3% of total damage in 10 seconds

if its capped to 7m stored

that means u need to do 233m in 10 seconds

[craggy sonnet]

yes

[lofty depot]

ok so u did understand

[craggy sonnet]

i understand the words and numbers

but not the conclusion

[cursive mirage]

Arctic what if we can’t do 233m in 10 minutes

What then huh

[lofty depot]

10 mintues

pog

well u can in aoe

[cursive mirage]

Gotta sweat to beat the tanks in AOE now buddy

Lock in

[lofty depot]

locken

[quiet drift]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-jjk-choso-choso-panic-insane-choso-anime-insane-gif-5693401929827560865

[craggy sonnet]

whats the conclusion

[rich jewel]

Then u need two augs

[lofty depot]

we got nerfed by 90%

[craggy sonnet]

thats what you wanted to tell me?

ok

[lofty depot]

well thats just the meme of 50% nerf on splash and 40% nerf on the total damage done stored

[craggy sonnet]

but like wouldnt shorter window higher conversion make more sense considering 12s CA?

[lofty depot]

shorter window doesnt matter if we do no damage regardless

[craggy sonnet]

and 10s fon

sure

but at least make it playable for people

[lofty depot]

i mean sure... but thats compensation buffs

and ur talking like a lot

[cloud citrus]

The conclusion is that the buff is too short to have any meaningful damage come from it, the nerfs nerfed the amount stored by upwards of 70% on st and 40% from aoe. We now need aura buffs or we are actually bricked

[craggy sonnet]

i meant just for QoL

i get that they nerfed it hard

thats not the point

[lofty depot]

well ur implying we can do "giga damage" in a shorter time

and we cant

[craggy sonnet]

im not

[lofty depot]

and that number isnt stored high enough anyway

[cloud citrus]

what are you saying then clankz

[craggy sonnet]

im implying that if you cant carry the buff to your next CA

[lofty depot]

well u can

[cloud citrus]

but you can

[lofty depot]

cuz we have whirling

[craggy sonnet]

people are simply gonna miss the 2nd surge in the window

ok

[lofty depot]

it lasts 15 seconds

[cloud citrus]

I mean thats exactly the same as missing your last surege in venthyr goes

[craggy sonnet]

but then you dont have fon?

[cloud citrus]

you just need to not miss it

[lofty depot]

u could have fon

if u just didnt use on first

[cloud citrus]

fon would be up for the last bit

nah the opener you can have both

the first fon buffs the first CA buff

and the 2nd you get fon at the last part of the buff

still gets like 40-50 mils at 694

[craggy sonnet]

but that cant be the intended gameplay loop .. surely you agree

[cloud citrus]

no buts its fun

when sims come out it might not even be worth doing

[craggy sonnet]

also .. im not sure how the math maths out here

[cloud citrus]

first fon is a 30s cd

[cloud plover]

never ask bumkins about math

[craggy sonnet]

but it does sound kinda bad to rip the surges from first CA without fon

[cloud citrus]

ye but it buffs the last 2

instead of a 6 starsurge rotation its a 4

like if thats the best way of doing boomy is going to have a pretty high skillcap which is nice

but youll still be fine just sendin 2 surges at the end of each CA

[craggy sonnet]

so you want me to press 2nd fon last 3s of 2nd CA

[cloud citrus]

ye basically

[craggy sonnet]

no this is not nice

[meager storm]

u would not use treants on first ca

[craggy sonnet]

this is stupid

[craggy sonnet]

you think its nice cuz you are doing it on a dummy in dorno

[lofty depot]

its fine even u if u like send trees late in ca

then have it for last 2

in said buff

we just do no damage

[craggy sonnet]

yea thats what i would expect

[cloud citrus]

ye none of our spells do any damage its crazy

[craggy sonnet]

but still people are gonna miss that 2nd surge

having only 2s

[lofty depot]

can just sned convoke at the end

[cloud citrus]

meanwhile my 612 evoker is doing engulfs for like 10 mils rofl

[lofty depot]

and not miss it 😛

[candid dragon]

what was the max hit prev

[craggy sonnet]

ok

[candid dragon]

nerf?

[lofty depot]

dpends what ur hitting

[craggy sonnet]

thats a way i guess

[lofty depot]

like 180m tho

[cloud citrus]

ye FULL aoe you still get some pretty nice surge crits

[lucid olive]

What we doin

[lofty depot]

i mean i can hit the cap in st

thats not the problem

[meager storm]

the not intended cap

[lofty depot]

the cap is lower than it is supposed to be

[meager storm]

[craggy sonnet]

but yea .. would love to see 8s dryad duration instead
doesnt matter without baseline buffs ofc

[lofty depot]

so we wait

[lofty depot]

8s 10% of total 👀

[cloud citrus]

dryad 8s is not enough

[lofty depot]

gogoog

[cloud citrus]

3 surges into convoke is longer then that

[craggy sonnet]

ok .. but 2s is enough for 2 surges

have fun then

[cloud citrus]

it is when u know its coming

a weak just blurting USE IT NOW would be fine

[craggy sonnet]

USE IT NOW

but you are gcd locked 😦

[cloud citrus]

i was getting them off on 350ping

[olive trout]

Hi guys so how many nerf is on ST? Or still need to test to do sims?

[cloud citrus]

its a lot you wont know exact amount to sims come out

[lofty depot]

we dont have sims, and theres no actual number we had before

[craggy sonnet]

good for you

[lofty depot]

and theres still bugs

[cloud citrus]

well there is a number looking at logs

[craggy sonnet]

standing on a dummy

[lofty depot]

sooooooooooooooooo come back in august 🙂

[cloud citrus]

like if its about 60% prenerf and your average there was 7-8mil and your getting 1-2 mil now

[lofty depot]

btw

thank god they nerfed dryad

[craggy sonnet]

if you think thats reasonable design, fair enough

i dont

[lucid olive]

Damn you take a long time to get off

[lofty depot]

was going ham

[cloud citrus]

you could asy out tier set is doing 4 times less ST then it was before

[lofty depot]

4x

[cloud citrus]

AoE is far less nerfed due to how ez the cap was to get in AOE

[lofty depot]

we got nerfed 400%

[craggy sonnet]

tbf, other than the duration nerf it seems like they are just picking random number to go down

[lucid olive]

400 bucks

Sheeesh

[cloud citrus]

thats only 5 dino mounts

so not much since im looking at like 8 in donogol right now

boomy is back!

[olive trout]

I guess we will be again the last dps on metters and needed to play feral until soul hunters

[cloud citrus]

You could say the tier is 25% of what it was pre nerf

in single target situations

[lofty depot]

were not last currently

[sick cargo]

When were we last on meters?

[lofty depot]

werent last at the start of tier either

[cloud citrus]

well if you think it this way after the tier set we are ~45ish less then when we did ptr last week

[lofty depot]

idk if that math maths, but im not gonna check u on it

[craggy sonnet]

the math checked itself

magic numbers can change

[cloud citrus]

like i can write it down with annotations if you want

[lofty depot]

idk how u doing maff, fysh man

1 flipper, 2 flipper, 3 flipper, 4

[cloud citrus]

each lipper has 10 furs

so each flipper then be a x10 multiplyer

[lofty depot]

a hairy fysh?

a furry fysh?

[cloud citrus]

so if you have 4 flippers the highest number you can count to is 10000

but yea if you were doing 100% dam last week you will be at 65% this week basically based on a very small amount of logs where the tier set is doing about 60% of your damage

[lofty depot]

i have ascdended back to amirdrassil

[obsidian jetty]

2sec is more than enough time for 2 surges. Will just be a small skill check, which is fine

[cursive mirage]

We’ve gotta write back and say we’re mad!!

[meager storm]

internet check

[obsidian jetty]

You just need to pool around it and monitor the buff

[cursive mirage]

[shrewd pivot]

It doesn’t seem that hard to squeeze out 2 ss’s

Just need things to do damage

But the change to the duration kinda kills any flexibility of it

Which is shit

[lucid olive]

They changed the Starsurges to consume on cast and not on hit as well so

Casting 2 at the end of CA is fine

Just need to have the AP for it when your Dryad despawns

[shrewd pivot]

I think being able to bank ss’s from one pack to the next in keys was good design

Especially if they nuke them from orbit damage wise anyway

[lofty depot]

they clearly dont think u should be doing that

but if the pack is close enough u could

[shrewd pivot]

They saw clips of 1 shooting bosses

But they neutered both aspects instead

Starfall just need a big buff for keys

[cloud citrus]

im pretty sure Elunes will be fine for keys still

[shy void]

good ptr tier set nerf we are so back

to square 1

anyway anything to make more people delete their moonkins will make me applaud

[rain hinge]

New to druid . Is the nerf from the two set part? I wasnt fully sure I understood

[shy void]

i hear fire mages are also erasing their characters

[vital hound]

eg gang rise up

[shy void]

my takeaway is it's a big nerf but sims aren't in for any class and tuning is still all over the place so nothing matters and don't worry about it but probably expect moonkin to end up about where it usually is (nothing special except on 1 or 2 fights)

[shy void]

elune's goated

[shrewd pivot]

nothing special meaning the worst specin the game?

like live

[vital hound]

turbo spam surges

goes hard

[shy void]

yeah but with social engineering you can actually sneak into some raid teams hehe

[rain hinge]

What about for M+ @shy void ?

[vital hound]

if you're not top 10 world you can get in

m+ fake game mode

[daring gull]

will the nerfs affect my ability to be a hardcore competitive pet battler?

[shy void]

i dunno everyone says moonkin will still, as usual, be incredible in (high key, big risky pull) M+, and you can trust that its fundamental design will lead it there

the way moonkin does damage is awesome for high M+ and really bad in raid especially the longer the raid tier goes on, i feel like

[obsidian jetty]

yes

[shy void]

i need another raid tier or two of pure moonkin to know for sure but

i'm pretty sure the more trivial a raid tier becomes and the better your group is at killing all the adds in 3 seconds, the harder it is to look good on moonkin

seems like a pretty simpel truth to me but i wanna see more empirical evidence from myself

[daring gull]

damn

[shy void]

when i play with weaker teams on like mythic one-armed bandit and the DPS don't kill the reel assistants i can go giga bigga dam. when the specs who pwn adds actually pwn adds then you can't do anything and your aoe sucks and your single target sucks

but i guess that means moonkin could pop off on sale runs with like 3 deadweights in place of DPS :D

[shy void]

yeah i'm just goofing i actually feel reasonably nice on balance in raid reclears & slum runs these last few weeks, nowhere near the bottom 2 the stats imply, but that's very likely because the average level of my dps peers isn't high

[vital hound]

yea

if you're not in a raid with 19 people doing optimal dps

ur chillin

[ionic oak]

lol

yeah

im refreshing Gamz YT

see if a new vid gets uploaded

[lofty depot]

if u do no damage to adds and more on st regardless, it wont matter

[lucid olive]

You gonna refresh for a while then..

[ionic oak]

wow. like that?

[lucid olive]

What's there to make a video about

I could do a cooking show and burn on omelette if that's good content

[ionic oak]

im down actually

[lucid olive]

Could do a live reaction to @vital hound instagram and record that

[shy void]

yeah i think this is what i've been doing dumbly. this coming week i'm gonna try ignoring most adds (vexie, rik, bandit, and mug'zee. not stix or gallywix) and i think i'll feel better

[vital hound]

...

[lofty depot]

nah u dont ignore on bandit

[vital hound]

i do

r1 boss dam ezpz

[lofty depot]

so true

[shy void]

hmm i'll try to find the golden mean then

of not over-aoeing

[lofty depot]

u could go full st

theres some gamers that did

[shy void]

particularly at the end of the fight on bandit there tends to be a lot of adds people are too busy being stressed to kill quickly

[cloud citrus]

those adds dont show up in logs

just go full ST and aoe the first few sets

[shy void]

ya omelette stream good

or just upload a 1 second video of a picture of the first omelette you make

anything

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/zorthar-pancake-pancake-fail-wow-zorthas-gif-11271338529801362547

[shy void]

it's been months since we gota gamz video

[shy void]

holy shit thanks for the reminder i remember reading that notice at the top of one-armed bandit lots now that you mention it

i woulda forgotten

i love tips for the parse minigame

[next wadi]

just a hotifx, no tuning on balance. guess were gucci?

[shy void]

https://i.imgur.com/MceyxCV.png

[next wadi]

oh ok

do we remain s-tier

[obsidian jetty]

🤷

[delicate perch]

yep s+++++++++

[shy void]

no one really knows yet since sims aren't done and anything you know now could be un-known next week because tuning is in the volatile stage

so it's the uncomfortable period where we have to play for fun or make class and spec decisions based on fundamental design instead of current tuning

or distract ourselves

with petty amusements

[spice roost]

did they fix the degen stuff

[lofty depot]

not currently

but they havent done a tuning pass

10% aura inc

[next wadi]

most interesting weeks are the next 3 ones 😮

[dense steeple]

zzzz

[shy void]

can this be achieved solo

[shy void]

yeah watching the mages is funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYxoFGSH90M

[dense steeple]

not as a boomy

duos ends at reset

[shy void]

https://tenor.com/view/not-from-a-jedi-palpatine-jedi-not-from-a-learn-this-power-gif-17298635

[dense steeple]

bring a tank

grab your raid homies, tank heals 3 dps, put all the x2 multipliers at entrance, spam bullhorns

gg

[shy void]

hmm ty yeah i remembered it's ending tomorrow and my high score is like 1.8 million with me playing guardian with a friend's dev evoker

[covert coyote]

then what

[shy void]

not using the challenging hotdog

just thought it'd be fun to dunk on people with a nicer high score than my current one whenever someone drops a podium

[dense steeple]

my high score prior to that was 600k

[shy void]

lmao

i had too much going on these last 6 weeks but next time dastardly duos comes around i'm gonna grab 5 and go big

(for one run)

[covert coyote]

im gonna start requiring at least 2mil dastardly duo score to be invited to my +10s

[dense steeple]

next time duos come by im gonna grab myself and solo

(til i earn everything)

[shy void]

by the end of the year we can have a whole dastardly neighborhood

[shy void]

don't be such a druid

[cloud plover]

I walked into duos on my druid once, abandoned my party, pulled the whole thing, died to 4 casts and never tried again

[shy void]

big panda energy

https://tenor.com/view/me-trying-for-opportunity-in-my-life-panda-gif-miss-fail-gif-18916523

the difference? that panda didn't give up.

[meager storm]

[novel copper]

Who dis

[meager storm]

some random guy

[delicate perch]

kekkers

[pallid bay]

is it over guys

[ionic oak]

i want to believe

[meager storm]

yes

its all ur fault

[lofty depot]

dak saying this to himself in the mirrior

[pallid bay]

i dont listen to runescape players..

[mighty mica]

everyone secretly plays runescape bro, you couldn't listen to anyone

[ionic oak]

runescape might actually be better than wow... thots?

[meager storm]

where

[meager storm]

i only did above the rest in a single boss

[lofty depot]

yea but they saw ur casts sequence and said fuck that guy

[mighty mica]

https://vxtwitter.com/J1mmyRS/status/1944824809294323975

J1mmy (@J1mmyRS)

a year ago, the WoW players called me crazy ... look at them all now hheheheh

▶ Play video

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[clever ibex]

Didn’t see a pin, and sorry if this has been talked to death - but what’s the implication of the spellpower (instead of hp change) and the nerf to the splash? Is it severely gutted or fixed some of the degen behaviors with bear form?

[meager storm]

is there a worse word than severely

[ionic oak]

crazy

[meager storm]

it fixed degen stuff with bear and hp raid cds

[lofty depot]

suppse the idea originally was to give u a number to cap at that wasnt specifially strict but close enough....Now the change actually doesnt matter as written because it would be 128k x 50 = 6.4m

[meager storm]

but we may be competing with tank dmg

[ionic oak]

https://tenor.com/view/kominiarek-waterboy-the-waterboy-we-suck-we-suck-again-gif-362394093990189558

[ionic oak]

nah dont scare me

[lofty depot]

but thats not what the cap is currently cuz they did some funny math

[meager storm]

go test it urself

[lofty depot]

but the nerfs to the splash and the spell power thing isnt the reason its gutted

they did however make the dryad surges to damage

0.7% of ur damage, basically zero

[meager storm]

i feel like they need to tie it to the ca somehow, like if u try to cast 2nd ca to extend it it removes the 2 amped surges from the first ca

i dont like the opener

[lofty depot]

yea fix it, then give me a 20% aura buff

and double starfall damage

[meager storm]

make it an 8s window for 6% or something

[worthy olive]

Good Morning guys....did the boomi get a hard nerf or doesnt matter? 😮

[ionic oak]

a few lines above

[meager storm]

hard hard

[ionic oak]

answer. that we suck again

[lofty depot]

hard but not for reasons u might think

so u will ahve to wait longer til it either gets fixed or something

aug 5th for sure

[worthy olive]

Yeah or they buffed Elunes choosen 😄

[lofty depot]

better increase incarn dam

[lofty depot]

🚪

[meager storm]

dont think we play incarn with this sht

incarn was for the bear form sht, allowing u to get both surges in without missing 1 sometimes

[vital hound]

dont think we play incarn with this sht

[lofty depot]

need to be able to do damage

[worthy olive]

What you mean?

[clever ibex]

Did the damage get that gutted?

[meager storm]

guys there are no boomies anymore at the dummies

[maiden pasture]

How chopped are we dak

[meager storm]

. . .

[maiden pasture]

Damn

[lofty depot]

the cap to the stored damage is incorrect

[meager storm]

in aoe the dryads favor still kinda does something

[lofty depot]

and dont know who is wrong

[meager storm]

[maiden pasture]

How bad is the cap now?

[lofty depot]

well its supposed to be something like 6.4m

its 3.2

[meager storm]

should be around 6 mil

ye

[lofty depot]

its also not base spellpower

because u can cast araz before dryad despawn and make the cap like 4.1m

[meager storm]

should not be spell power

if its spell power it gotta be x500

[lofty depot]

well the math is fine at spell power x50

[maiden pasture]

Are we basically forced to be a 3 min class again? Like do we have to back to back CA each time?

[lofty depot]

its just not x50

[meager storm]

base spellpower being the 17k

thats what i mean

[lofty depot]

doing the currenty playstyle is fine*

[lofty depot]

base int

[maiden pasture]

Huh

[lofty depot]

maybe help

u can do what u do currently and be fine

can crit like 40-50m

[meager storm]

65 mil

didnt crit but there u go

[lofty depot]

nice 32m

[meager storm]

should be close to 70 mil actually

[next wadi]

Hope we stay s Tier

[meager storm]

[lofty depot]

well were currently not s tier

so

[ionic oak]

we S+

[lofty depot]

m+ ers spit

[ionic oak]

coudlnt be me. i do ma 10s and call it

[next wadi]

Frost dk Hunt and owls

Hope anything will be s tier

[ionic oak]

owls? us?

nah

[lofty depot]

yeam M+er

[next wadi]

M+ only thing that Counts

Next to raiding

[lofty depot]

opinion invalid

[celest swift]

Luckily every guild is looking for boomies still

[ionic oak]

cuz word hasnt spread

get in while you can

[jaunty blaze]

Surely they fixed the 2pc at least right?

[meager storm]

they did

[jaunty blaze]

[meager storm]

it does 1% of ur dmg

[lofty depot]

0.7% to be exact

[meager storm]

well u count the starfall cast too

[lofty depot]

i will not be counting that

because the surge was the thing that wasnt working

so 0.7% was added

[ionic oak]

thats like embelishments damage

[lofty depot]

tier sets are like embelishments

[ionic oak]

winning

[meager storm]

now what

[lofty depot]

nice

[next wadi]

deadge

according to this disc

boomie is now f-tier

[meager storm]

currently it may be

[ionic oak]

F+

[lofty depot]

well before it was 150-180

[meager storm]

actually

let me pull it u

up

[lofty depot]

so -3x

[lofty depot]

300 %

and 2 surges so that 600% actually

-600%

[meager storm]

2 amped surges now was 1 amped surge before

think about it that way

but also our cap is not working properly rn

[lofty depot]

barely

[meager storm]

so

[lofty depot]

1 amped before

[pallid bay]

Cope

[lofty depot]

we cope that the blue pooster was right and the dev put it in wrong

🙏

[pallid bay]

Just equip the decaying int trinket

[lofty depot]

make cap 4.1m

big

[meager storm]

guys my dryad is helping

[ionic oak]

huge damage

it can 1 shot a critter

[lofty depot]

can u think of the 16 other lines that do under 40% total of ur damage

i cant

[pallid bay]

We got what we deserved

[ionic oak]

this is why sune is better than oi

[lofty depot]

eightsune > oi

[meager storm]

the days when dsune wasnt a sell out

[pallid bay]

Might be lock next tier gg

Purple = win

[ionic oak]

first arctic

now sune

whos next? tettles?

[pallid bay]

Tettles is aug

[frigid niche]

I don't understand what they nerf to the set

[next wadi]

they will buff it

trust

[ionic oak]

who got that boomkin "buff soon. trust" image

[meager storm]

well the set was clearly insane

the thing is when they dont buff the rest of the kit

we are deadge

[jaunty blaze]

Cant have shit in dornogal 😭

[lofty depot]

there were plenty before be that swapped

bicotty, fluup, tarisant

tettles, gamz, deux

[rich jewel]

Abusing bugs backfiring again

[meager storm]

there wasnt even a bug last testing cycle

[ionic oak]

yeah im still hurt by gamz

[lofty depot]

well there was

[meager storm]

the dryad doing no dmg

[lofty depot]

was 5% of total damage capped to 50% of ur max hp

now is 3% of total damage capped to 50x your spell power... the problem is that its not 50, its 25

cap used to be 7m or call it 14m sometimes if doing some tech

cap is supposed to be 6m, but is only 3

tldr.... as always... wait til patch goes live

[ionic oak]

if you believe. i believe

[lofty depot]

well i dont want to play arcane

so bite the bullet one way or another

[next wadi]

rerolling to boomie

s tier enjoyer

[obsidian crescent]

I just came back after a hiatus and have always loved the playstyle new moon balance but can't find any talent set ups for it. Is it that bad atm?

[lofty depot]

yes its that bad

the moons do less dam than a surge

then again like every spell besides surge does no damage

so wcyd

[delicate perch]

https://tenor.com/view/weeze-vpit-vkunia-veeme-troy-gif-25310810

[next wadi]

tierlists the next days will show

else i go frost dk

[delicate perch]

yep they will tierlists are very good and reliable

[mighty mica]

save the time, do it now

[delicate perch]

reroll to A tier classes

so you can blame them for anything going wrong instead of yourself

[next wadi]

sounds good

[delicate perch]

[clever ibex]

Shadow priest it is then

[delicate perch]

is spriest not dog

[lofty depot]

spr v50923421515

[delicate perch]

(in +)

[lofty depot]

boomkin v4

wcyd

[clever ibex]

Two crashes and mega prio/splash aoe

I mean only reason not to take them would be having disc in the group

[delicate perch]

not many of those keys

good catch

[obsidian jetty]

wait til next patch notes when spriest gets 50% aura nerf

[clever ibex]

they are a bit overturned now yeah

[delicate perch]

link buffed by 48%
fire mage buffed by 30%
aug buff % reset to season 1

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-played-these-games-before-seong-gi-hun-squid-game-i've-played-these-games-already-netflix-gif-16480153790313233198

[lofty depot]

i mean fire is giga shit

[delicate perch]

ya that's why they buff it

along with other specs for no real reason

[obsidian jetty]

I saw fire mage breakdown on 3tar boss testing, I thought it was frost mage at first

[lofty depot]

well ignite was blasting

ignite op

[clever ibex]

well let’s live the dream they don’t make us shit next m+ season and still meta pls

[obsidian jetty]

GS and comet storm do so much dmg for fire, it's wild

[lofty depot]

some of us would prefer if boomkin was shit in m+

[delicate perch]

fellowship will release eventually and m+ will die even more it's fine

[crisp scaffold]

I want boomie good in raid ..

[warped stratus]

They just killed the spec. Always shit in raid and now might be mid table in m+

[delicate perch]

yep reroll asap

[crisp scaffold]

I have rogue ,ret ,priest ,dh ,whats good ? 😄

[delicate perch]

ask again in 2 months

[autumn raven]

im sad

[crisp scaffold]

Who isnt

[sudden flame]

[delicate perch]

Just don’t be?

[sick cargo]

Apathy is the way forward

[autumn raven]

[obsidian tapir]

cuties are the changes on ptr live like the nerf ?

[sudden flame]

yes

[twin lotus]

The bug fix nerf? the max hp pool?

[spice roost]

the tier was nerfed too

[twin lotus]

💀

we didnt sandbag enough

[scenic mist]

Tier was nerfed 4 ways

[twin lotus]

cant have shit in tazavesh

[spice roost]

with these nerfs is boomy back to playing normal rotation for kotg or still the wierd venthyr type ramp

[obsidian jetty]

hp pool wasn't a bug. Just what they chose to scale it with

[spice roost]

@obsidian jettyis boomy back to normal rotation like in s2 for kotg

on ptr

[obsidian jetty]

not gona know that til sims

[spice roost]

oh ok

[obsidian jetty]

my guess is a mix between s2 loop and venth ramp depending on situation

double ca leans better for dmg amps and when you cannot reach cap otherwise. If you can hit cap normally there's not much reason to double ca.

[crisp scaffold]

Back to elune chosen 😄

[obsidian tapir]

dunno kotg felt very good in m+

[spice roost]

did u try it after or before the nerfs

[cloud citrus]

tettles strugglin to beat tanks

imagine our ST atm

it might be lower then some tanks

[modern iron]

Jesus

[pale swan]

He was vibing,not rly trying

[delicate perch]

He was doing his best

[pale swan]

Lmao

[rich jewel]

New support spec

[modern iron]

BalAUG

[crisp scaffold]

Anyone played balance after nerfs?

how bad it is

[jade flume]

Was he one buttoning

[dire osprey]

okay gang

how bad is it

[dusty birch]

OMG

[mental widget]

can someone explain to me the ptr changes?

2piece was the dryade... did she scale with health?